Naruto 7.0

[BEWD]

Bah maybe that part of the story with Jiraiya not really teachin naruto much is too weird but I still think you guys complain too much about something that's free

Actually, I used to buy the english volumes as they come out, along with other Naruto stuff. Now, it's not that I hate the series, I just hate how the story's degenerated and the hat tricks kishi's pulled. Seeing my former favorite series go down the tubes isn't exactly uplifting.

Also, on Jiraiya, it's like he hasn't taught him much of anything except the tails(and that utterly pathetic genjutsu "counter" method that failed against itachi), really disheartening =/

[ViciousSLASH]

Bah maybe that part of the story with Jiraiya not really teachin naruto much is too weird but I still think you guys complain too much about something that's free

Man fuck that, in the age of the internet, everything is fucking free.

Just cause it's free doesn't mean it has to be terrible. Gosh.

[Dasrik]

it's not bad at all.. just people looking to deep into stuff.. it's still very fun and interesting..
...for me to poop on.

No, it's bad. Naruto post-timeskip has been complete crap. This is not up for debate.

[Hunter D]

Kakashi is going to be assed out like Master Roshi was in DB. His admitting that Naruto has more chakra than him means we will be seeing the ever so classic, "I have to hold off <bad guy name here> until naruto arrives," thought bubble in the near future.

Let us have a moment of silence for the badass Kakashi.

[Stabby]

Naruto could have been training for TWO THOUSAND YEARS

:rofl:

[Azrael]

It's amazing how far this story has fallen.

I gave up reading somewhere around the Sasori fight. I realized I was only reading because I had done so before, not because I actually wanted to.

My girfriend was over one day and randomly caught an episode of Naruto on TV (ep 3 I think). She said it was pretty interesting. I told her I had some of the first eps on CD, so if she was interested we could watch them. We watched the Wave Country Arc together and she was hooked. I warned her that the story would become far less interesting in the future, but she said she'd watch until that point.

We watched the Chuunin Exams and most of the Tsunade Arc (we haven't got to the fight between the Sannin yet - she's kind of forgotten Naruto at the moment for Azumanga Daioh). Watching the series for the second time, I was amazed by how good it was. At the very least, entertaining. It's just completely different from what exists now. ...What happened?

Anime filler gripes aside, post-timeskip Naruto has been pretty dismal. Gaara now cares for people? Yeah, we figured that out. After two years with a Legendary Sannin Naruto can...what...throw more Rasengans and go Super Kyuubi-Jin 3/4? After watching the Hokages throw mountains and rivers and trees and shit at each other during the Sandaime/Orochimaru fight, that's almost insulting. And Jiraiya's a sucky teacher...didn't he teach the 4th? Orochimaru's after Konoha? Didn't we already do that before? Great, let's introduce Sai. The story already has a ton of characters with moderately developed storylines waiting to be fleshed out, but let's just throw in another character who has no personality. Naruto tries to beat sense into Sasuke only to be beaten down and realize he must become stronger? Didn't that happen before the timeskip?

There's so much that could have been done. A ninja war would have been awesome. Have some characters actually die. Then maybe we find out that the Akatsuki is secretly pulling the strings behind this war, so they can decimate the individual countries and assume control in the chaos.

I was hoping that the Naruto/Sasuke relationship would be a lot like Spike/Vicious in Cowboy Bebop. Save Sasuke for waaaaay after the timeskip, then bring him back as someone determined to ruin everyone's shit. Maybe even have Naruto leave Konoha for a while, and wander around various countries with either one or two Konoha ninja (not Sakura and Sai!) or some new peeps. Do some more stuff like Wave Country, but with the ever present threat of Sasuke/Akatsuki in the background. Have Naruto and Sakura drift apart, because continuing their friendship only reminds them of their failure with Sasuke. Have Naruto reach out and make new connections (Hinata could have been used wonderfully here).

Did any of that happen? No. Not only has the story not gone anywhere, it feels like it's moving backwards. Like Kishimoto has no idea what he wants to do and is just treading water until genious hits. Bleh. I'm just amazed at how far down this story has gone, and I honestly don't see a miracle comeback in the works, at least not from anything I've seen.

/end spontanous rant.

[Hunter D]

It's amazing how far this story has fallen.

I gave up reading somewhere around the Sasori fight. I realized I was only reading because I had done so before, not because I actually wanted to.

My girfriend was over one day and randomly caught an episode of Naruto on TV (ep 3 I think). She said it was pretty interesting. I told her I had some of the first eps on CD, so if she was interested we could watch them. We watched the Wave Country Arc together and she was hooked. I warned her that the story would become far less interesting in the future, but she said she'd watch until that point.

We watched the Chuunin Exams and most of the Tsunade Arc (we haven't got to the fight between the Sannin yet - she's kind of forgotten Naruto at the moment for Azumanga Daioh). Watching the series for the second time, I was amazed by how good it was. At the very least, entertaining. It's just completely different from what exists now. ...What happened?

Anime filler gripes aside, post-timeskip Naruto has been pretty dismal. Gaara now cares for people? Yeah, we figured that out. After two years with a Legendary Sannin Naruto can...what...throw more Rasengans and go Super Kyuubi-Jin 3/4? After watching the Hokages throw mountains and rivers and trees and shit at each other during the Sandaime/Orochimaru fight, that's almost insulting. And Jiraiya's a sucky teacher...didn't he teach the 4th? Orochimaru's after Konoha? Didn't we already do that before? Great, let's introduce Sai. The story already has a ton of characters with moderately developed storylines waiting to be fleshed out, but let's just throw in another character who has no personality. Naruto tries to beat sense into Sasuke only to be beaten down and realize he must become stronger? Didn't that happen before the timeskip?

There's so much that could have been done. A ninja war would have been awesome. Have some characters actually die. Then maybe we find out that the Akatsuki is secretly pulling the strings behind this war, so they can decimate the individual countries and assume control in the chaos.

I was hoping that the Naruto/Sasuke relationship would be a lot like Spike/Vicious in Cowboy Bebop. Save Sasuke for waaaaay after the timeskip, then bring him back as someone determined to ruin everyone's shit. Maybe even have Naruto leave Konoha for a while, and wander around various countries with either one or two Konoha ninja (not Sakura and Sai!) or some new peeps. Do some more stuff like Wave Country, but with the ever present threat of Sasuke/Akatsuki in the background. Have Naruto and Sakura drift apart, because continuing their friendship only reminds them of their failure with Sasuke. Have Naruto reach out and make new connections (Hinata could have been used wonderfully here).

Did any of that happen? No. Not only has the story not gone anywhere, it feels like it's moving backwards. Like Kishimoto has no idea what he wants to do and is just treading water until genious hits. Bleh. I'm just amazed at how far down this story has gone, and I honestly don't see a miracle comeback in the works, at least not from anything I've seen.

/end spontanous rant.
Fuck Kishi, Az needs to work on Naruto. The ideas that you have listed is what I had in mind for post timeskip Naruto.

[Stabby]

Have Naruto reach out and make new connections (Hinata could have been used wonderfully here).

I'm convinced that Hinata is literally going to fall on Naruto's dick towards the end of the series. The filler has had more development of that relationship than the actual manga.

[BEWD]

@Az: The fucking truth

@Stabby: More fucking truth. Fuck the shonen formula, though I doubt even Naruto growing a brain and getting his head out of Sakura's ass would occur soon, if ever. I doubt even NaruHina can salvage what's left of the story though.

Kishi's just fucking around here and continues bumbling along the way.

[catchafire]

it's not bad at all.. just people looking to deep into stuff.. it's still very fun and interesting..

co-fucking sign! people seem to mesh the concept of the manga being reality and story and failing to realize that it's just a story. Nothing happened w/ Naruto and Jirayia in their 2.5 training. The only thing that will happen is what Kishimoto chooses to develop. The whole Kakashi being better than Jirayia crap is just taking a simple story too deeply. Kishimoto greater than all characters because in the Naruto universe, he's god...

[BEWD]

co-fucking sign! people seem to mesh the concept of the manga being reality and story and failing to realize that it's just a story. Nothing happened w/ Naruto and Jirayia in their 2.5 training. The only thing that will happen is what Kishimoto chooses to develop. The whole Kakashi being better than Jirayia crap is just taking a simple story too deeply. Kishimoto greater than all characters because in the Naruto universe, he's god...

Oh please. We can want a coherent story without looking too deep into it. He can't even decide what to do with his simple story for which he took a couple months break to decide what he wanted to do with the second part if you've forgotten. Don't mistake Fans with Fanatics, as you seem to be getting them mixed up.

[ShinAkumax]

/end spontanous rant.

Fuck it. I'll make a proper post.

[BEWD]

To which you're basically bitching about the bitching. The Puppet fight was strategic yes, but was really used as a platform for Sakura(you have to admit the way she took out Sandaime Kazekage puppet was a little uninspired) and what about Akatsuki peacing out everything in site? I mean we get a new character for like 3 pages, then these new akatsuki has taken them out. Seriously, there are some valid points in the complaining.

[ShinAkumax]

Sure there are some valid complains. Naruto's development in the time jump has been wack. I haven't been exactly been keeping up with the manga. I just felt that if Az was gonna complain while making so many contradicting statements, then someone should make a somewhat thoughtful post for the other side.

And no BEWD, I'm not bitching about bitching. Did you read my post? Are you a muppet?

A Sakura plataform? Are you on fucking crack? Did you not noticed the other legendary ninja older lady just hanging there? How without her Sakura was dead meat? Sure Sakura got the push but saying it was a Sakura lovefest would be down right stupid. She still bottom tier compared to most of the cast. Does anyone think Sakura could take down an Akatsuky without someone like a Legendary Sannin backing her? Do you? Are you that stupid?

It's not the complaining that I'm bitching about. It's just the pure unfiltered stupidity, cocksucking and people just plain hitting the keyboard with their forehead when they make a post? Has anyone had a valid or intelligent complain about the series that.... hasn't been made since the beginning of the series?

[Azrael]

I disagree...
It's not that the story isn't going in a way I'd prefer...it's that the story has gone in a way that's not good at all. To me, it's just gotten really repetitive and stale.

Gaara...yes, he changed from a murderous psycho to a loving and caring psycho (?). But the thing is, we knew that was going to happen from before the timeskip. And Gaara got plenty of love during the Chuunin Exams Arc. And yes, Naruto changes people. We knew that back with Zabuza and Hako, we knew that with Neji, and we knew it with Tsunade. It brought nothing new to the table. And then we had Gaara "die", but he got brought back thanks to Chiyo, and who didn't see that coming from a mile away?

And then we've got Orochimaru plotting to take over Konoha. ...Didn't we do this before? Orochi's had a lot of time to be the centerpiece villain ever since Chuunin Arc. What else are they going to do with him? I understand he's important now with the whole training Sasuke thing, but I'm kind of tired of him as the main villain. He hasn't brought anything new to the table either.

Sai...Sai's not too bad. I suppose it's Sasuke Lite with 45% Less Emo, but is he necessary? I don't think so. So far, he hasn't brought anything to the table one of the existing characters couldn't/hasn't. But like I said, I don't mind him too much.

And we've had, again, Sasuke Retrieval. We just had the chasing Sasuke Arc before the timeskip, and we're doing it again. And this one ends the same way the last one did - Naruto defeated and needing training. Again, repetitive. The story has not advanced much if at all since the timeskip. We're just repeating things that have been done already. There isn't even a solid, concrete direction at this point.

It's not that I stopped reading out of spite because it wasn't how I wanted it. I stopped reading because of a lack of interest. Before, this story had punch. Now it's a half-assed bitch slap. I'd love for the story to pack a punch again, regardless of any ideas I might have for it, but given what Kishi's shown us so far I'm not expecting much. Sadly.

[BEWD]

One interjection, you can't really blame the Sasuke incident for repetitiveness, as we all knew that Sasuke was gonna beat the group down and jet. I liked the fact that Kishi showed that Sasuke has completely changed in regards to Team 7, not holding back to try to kill them. My only problem with that was Naruto being koed with one move. Seriously, my biggest qualms with Naruto come from his (lack of) development and the steps Kishi has taken in that aspect.

[ShinAkumax]

Az: It's not that the story isn't going in a way I'd prefer...it's that the story has gone in a way that's not good at all. To me, it's just gotten really repetitive and stale.

Shin: That's not how it came across in your post. :sweat:

Az: Gaara...yes, he changed from a murderous psycho to a loving and caring psycho (?). But the thing is, we knew that was going to happen from before the timeskip.

This is the one point where we see things differently. If I remember correctly, in the exchange between his Kanku and Gaara, it was clearly shown that he was trying to do things that seemed right. Not things he knew and felt to be right.

He was still an outsider. He was trying to prove his worth to his village but still trying hard to understand his role as a person in the world.

Garaa is far from loving. I don't think Garaa understand love yet. He saved the village and did the one thing he can do for the village. Fight.

The one momment where Garaa was shown as caring was when he extended his sand towards Naruto... is this loving? Naruto is his homeboy. Naruto is the one person that understand him, the person that inspired him. The person that saved him? So if shaking Naruto's hand is still viewed as Garaa being a carebear... then well. Not everyone can be Orochimaru.

Is it because he saved the village with his last ounce of strenght? Is that seem as caring? He was doing his job as I stated several times. Not like the 3rd was doing his job. The 3rd made a sacrifice out of love. Garaa did it in a selfish way still. He is trying to prove things to himself and to the village. The 3rd had nothing to prove, that's why he is defined as a caring character and THAT's why the 3rd is the fucking man.


I'm gonna take a momment to give a shout out to Gaara for stopping a huge village destroying bomb AND taking the sand it took to stop that big ass bomb while taking a beating and falling unconsious. Eye of the tiger bitches.

[SirSmooth]

i love how i can come in the naruto thread and run across bleach spoilers by accident -__- thanks guy....

[ShinAkumax]

Az: We knew that back with Zabuza and Hako, we knew that with Neji, and we knew it with Tsunade. It brought nothing new to the table. And then we had Gaara "die", but he got brought back thanks to Chiyo, and who didn't see that coming from a mile away?

Shin: Gaara comming back...? I love him too much to make an unbiased comment on that. I'll say this though. It did bring something to the table. Knowledge.

We know now that it is possible to survive after a demon is taken out of the host. We also know that although the beast is out, you retain some abilities linked the the demon as shown with Garaa and his sand controlling abilities. I see this as a possible set up for things to come.

Now... should Gaara have died? Is that what you are saying.... you have no heart Az.

[ShinAkumax]

AZ: And then we've got Orochimaru plotting to take over Konoha. ...Didn't we do this before? Orochi's had a lot of time to be the centerpiece villain ever since Chuunin Arc. What else are they going to do with him? I understand he's important now with the whole training Sasuke thing, but I'm kind of tired of him as the main villain. He hasn't brought anything new to the table either.


Shin: Hmm well, I didn't know he still wanted to take over Konoha. I agree though. I don't see a point to him doing this again. I thought he just wanted Sasuke. I don't see him as a centerpiece villain though. We haven't seem a lot of him since the time jump. I

AZ: Sai...Sai's not too bad. I suppose it's Sasuke Lite with 45% Less Emo, but is he necessary? I don't think so. So far, he hasn't brought anything to the table one of the existing characters couldn't/hasn't. But like I said, I don't mind him too much.

Shin: I'm indiferent also and I'm not defending him although he did introduce that new faction to Konoha. He is basically a story tool right now.

Az: And we've had, again, Sasuke Retrieval. We just had the chasing Sasuke Arc before the timeskip, and we're doing it again. And this one ends the same way the last one did - Naruto defeated and needing training. Again, repetitive. The story has not advanced much if at all since the timeskip. We're just repeating things that have been done already. There isn't even a solid, concrete direction at this point.

Shin: Agreed. Hopefully Shiki is setting up things now for a later pay off like he did in the beggining in the series. He could be pulling a Lucas on us though.

Az: It's not that I stopped reading out of spite because it wasn't how I wanted it. I stopped reading because of a lack of interest. Before, this story had punch. Now it's a half-assed bitch slap. I'd love for the story to pack a punch again, regardless of any ideas I might have for it, but given what Kishi's shown us so far I'm not expecting much. Sadly.

Shin: I read it once a month. I don't follow it as closely. The main reason to watch naruto still there for me. It's a great conversation anime. There is always something to talk about when it comes to naruto. My friend come up with their own wack up theories about what's about to happen and what do things mean. It's just a great anime to shoot the shit about over fries and a burger with some homies. So yeah...

co-fucking sign! people seem to mesh the concept of the manga being reality and story and failing to realize that it's just a story. Nothing happened w/ Naruto and Jirayia in their 2.5 training. The only thing that will happen is what Kishimoto chooses to develop. The whole Kakashi being better than Jirayia crap is just taking a simple story too deeply. Kishimoto greater than all characters because in the Naruto universe, he's god...


YOU are my back up? It's over. You win Az.

[BEWD]

But then Akumax, you're saying they can be revived, now how many ninjas other than Chiyo have we seen with ressurection abilities(I'm not sure if you'd really count Edo Tensei in the same group as Chiyo's ability if you get where I'm going with that Akumax, as it's not an actual true ressurection like Chiyo's if that makes any sense)

Now about the Sakura platforming, of course I'm not dumb enough to put her on an akatsuki level, and know full well that without Chiyo, Sasori would've eaten her alive, but her abilities was the MAIN focus ability wise,(she was helping Chiyo too with the antidotes as well don't forget) but please don't misunderstand me and think I'm putting Sakura on a high pedestal, I'm not, just because she had some new tricks doesn't make her good.

[Azrael]

Ok, loving and caring aren't the right words for Gaara. I was wrong there. But the original concept still holds. Ruthless, uncaring individual -> meets Naruto -> changes outlook on life. I like Gaara too, and it is nice to see him getting good development. But this is really background, feel good stuff, that should be supporting the main storyline. As is, it's just repetitive.

As for surviving after getting a demon removed, wasn't that only thanks to Chiyo? At any rate, we did learn that you can retain some of the powers, but for that tidbit of info we sure did go through a lot of chapters.

As for Gaara dying, I don't necessarily wish he'd stayed dead. It was just that the moment Chiyo joined Naruto's team, we knew she was going to die, and we figured it would probably bring Gaara back in some way. Whatever storyline element Kishi may or may not have tried to create with Gaara's death was instantly rewound.

I think death gets used the wrong way a lot in entertainment. A lot of writers seem to think that death = instant tragedy. If you as the reader are emotionally connected to the character, then having them die might cause a reaction with you. But I think death is better used in how the surviving characters deal with it. I think to have Gaara die here would have been a waste. Aside from Gaara fans who'd feel the loss, and aside from the other Sand characters, the only person who'd really be affected by it would be Naruto. And Naruto's already dealing with the loss of Sasuke (not death...but kind of worse), so heaping Gaara on the pile wouldn't have helped.

[ShinAkumax]

BEWD: How many ninjas other than Chiyo have we seen with ressurection abilities?

Shin: Chiyo said that the 5th was a better healer than she was. How many ninjas have we seen with ressurection abilities before Chiyo? Lack of evidence isn't evidence.


BEWD: Now about the Sakura platforming, of course I'm not dumb enough to put her on an akatsuki level, and know full well that without Chiyo, Sasori would've eaten her alive, but her abilities was the MAIN focus ability wise,(she was helping Chiyo too with the antidotes as well don't forget) but please don't misunderstand me and think I'm putting Sakura on a high pedestal, I'm not, just because she had some new tricks doesn't make her good

Well from a story telling point.... Sakura hadn't shown he new stuff yet.... Sakura was in the battle.... Sakura was fighting an opponent that forced her to use just about every trick she knew just to make it out alive... I would say those are all pretty good reason to showcase a character. Would you rather she has screamed " SASUKE KUN!!! " then had a flahback followed by a fit of hysteria while Chiyo handle bussiness then died? I would call that bad story telling.

[$|-|U(V)AYeL]

I'll make this simple.. I used to wait until the next manga comes out and download it soon as it comes out.. now whenever i'm randomly really bored i'll download a couple and catch up... there's a reason for that, it's going down the shitter.

[Dasrik]

Kishimoto greater than all characters because in the Naruto universe, he's god...
The Brothers Chaps would be better Gods than Kishi.

KYUUBI'D!

[ShinAkumax]

Ok, loving and caring aren't the right words for Gaara. I was wrong there. But the original concept still holds. Ruthless, uncaring individual -> meets Naruto -> changes outlook on life. I like Gaara too, and it is nice to see him getting good development. But this is really background, feel good stuff, that should be supporting the main storyline. As is, it's just repetitive.

Sasuke is a great example of this. Just kidding. This type of repetitive patters will remain for as long as the series remains. If your complain is that Naruto hasn't expanded past it's basics themes as a series... well you got me there. It really hasn't. I can't honestly say that I want it to though.

I would love for Kishi to touch more on the Neji story. So much potential, so much genious but because of class and pure chance. It's all wasted. I think his struggle in fantastic to see unfold.

AZ: As for surviving after getting a demon removed, wasn't that only thanks to Chiyo? At any rate, we did learn that you can retain some of the powers, but for that tidbit of info we sure did go through a lot of chapters.

There is a whole lot of chasing in Naruto... correct me if I'm wrong but, weren't they sent in a recognizant* mission? Where they there not to learn more about the Akatsuki agenda? Isn't going there what allowed them to " infiltrate" Oro's lair? I could be wrong here and I might be grabbing at straws and if I am, I'm sorry. I'm fuzzy about the whole thing since it's been a while since I read it but it all seems to be a somewhat logical if perhaps too subtle and slow storyline.

As for Gaara dying, I don't necessarily wish he'd stayed dead. It was just that the moment Chiyo joined Naruto's team, we knew she was going to die, and we figured it would probably bring Gaara back in some way. Whatever storyline element Kishi may or may not have tried to create with Gaara's death was instantly rewound.

I think death gets used the wrong way a lot in entertainment. A lot of writers seem to think that death = instant tragedy. If you as the reader are emotionally connected to the character, then having them die might cause a reaction with you. But I think death is better used in how the surviving characters deal with it. I think to have Gaara die here would have been a waste. Aside from Gaara fans who'd feel the loss, and aside from the other Sand characters, the only person who'd really be affected by it would be Naruto. And Naruto's already dealing with the loss of Sasuke (not death...but kind of worse), so heaping Gaara on the pile wouldn't have helped.

I agree. Choji should be so fucking dead it isn't even funny. This is a big flaw I see in Shiji as a write. He just can't let people fucking die. You are right, Chiyo was there to make sure Gaara stayed alive but also to take down Puppet King as no one else could have done it really. That puppet guy was great. Man, I had such a bad X-men 3 flash back.... SPOILERS - When I saw how they were just killing main cast left and right without and emotional point... it was such a waste... but anyways. What do I even what to say...

In the end, I agree that the story themes and how they are gotten across are repetitive. I disagree in how we see the story with in closer examination. I try to see the big picture in order to forgive the mayor flaws since I find the details interesting enough to keep me reading..... and I mean. If the story is that predictable and repetitive. Does anyone care to make some huge predictions in regards to things like the Akatsuki? Orochimaru? Orochimaru's Sidekick ( I forgot his name. )? Itachi? The 4th? The Mist Country.... which apparently is a super powerful millitary country with wicked ass ninjas? The Seven Swords Men? What will happen to Neji?

[Azrael]

You know, I was just about to write how Chouji should have died in the Sasuke Arc. It could have done so much for Shikamaru's character to have his best friend die on his first mission.

There are some interesting things left. I do wanna see what happens with the Akatsuki, although as stated before I'm hoping it isn't just "Let's steal all the demons so we can become even MORE powerful than everyone else!" Itachi is still cool, and I'd love to find out why one day he decided to vape his entire clan, folks included (aside from the obvious reason of "Ho shit, this Mango Sharingan is broken. Tournament ban!"). And I want to see more of Kisame. ...I don't know how well this translates in subtitles or dubs or whatever, but he's so damn polite. It's like, he's telling you he's going to kill you painfully, but he does it with respect and class. I can't help but to like him.

I don't want the series to suck...I just feel things could have been done so much better than they are now.

[Hunter D]

I don't understand how anyone can believe that the plot hasn't gone to shit after the timeskip.
Everyone but the main character matures. The nail in the coffin for me was the battle with Sasuke. I knew that he would beat Naruto in their first meeting post time skip, but I didn't think Sasuke was going to dominate him. He raped Naruto's mind and body. He also punked Kyuubi. It made for a rediculous read. If it was someone from Akatsuki it would have been more believable, but Sasuke? Give me a break.

[ShinAkumax]

Forbiden Jutsu Bitch. :rofl:

[catchafire]

I don't understand how anyone can believe that the plot hasn't gone to shit after the timeskip.
Everyone but the main character matures. The nail in the coffin for me was the battle with Sasuke. I knew that he would beat Naruto in their first meeting post time skip, but I didn't think Sasuke was going to dominate him. He raped Naruto's mind and body. He also punked Kyuubi. It made for a rediculous read. If it was someone from Akatsuki it would have been more believable, but Sasuke? Give me a break.

Well, Itach at Sasuke's current age was beastly enough to wreck havoc on all who opposed him so it's justifiable for Sasuke to have progressed so much in order to take down Itachi. If Naruto was able to go toe-to-toe with Sasuke, then you'd have other readers complaining about his progress.

[Azrael]

Fuck Kishi, Az needs to work on Naruto. The ideas that you have listed is what I had in mind for post timeskip Naruto.
:rofl: Yeah, lemme do it. In the past few hours I've just come up with (IMHO) a great timeskip Naruto storyline.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

1st i'd like to point this out.....Naurto is a childrens manga! Its in shonan Jump...


2nd naruto has been a "good" manga with cool stuff that happen since the start. Alot of people or upset with it now because of the timeskip. Me personally since i thought even before the time skip Jirayia was a horrid teacher for naruto. (I really thought him trainning naurto was just a comic relief type of thing) So after the time skip and him being with J for all that time and only showing off kyubi.....Im not suprised infact that what i expected.

3rd people are reading way to much into this manga, the writer had and has to know that everyone outshined naruto after the time skip. HE KNOWS THIS, so it had to written that way on purpose showing that Jirayia wasn't the teacher for naurto. And i think this will be addressed later. Infact I think Jirayia will be the guy that only that comes around and teaches naruto random powerful techniques. While he either trains alone or with someone else.


4th naurto is a typical DBZ rip off with ninja's and i like that because i liked dbz and i like ninja's lol... While there is alot of things you can read into, don't expect some novel of a manga. There gona be things that make some people go wth? But i don't think this whole Jirayia thing should have been one.

I also don't understand why people think that just because you train with someone strong you will become strong.....not the case.

Jirayia= Improved Older, naurto
Naurto= Not smart at all, not good teacher
Put 2 and 2 together and i can see how naurto would have learned very lil in 2 years with Jirayia

[jimmy1200]

what.
lets look at ichigos fights
owned hollows and grande hollow
got whooped a little, then was ready to own kuchiki's backup bitch. forgot his name, but the red haired dude, and that is only because theyre power was strapped when going to the human world, or else ichigo would have gotten owned then, by a vice captain
owned by byakuya
owned gate guardian
got owned by gin
good battle with bald head 11th squad man, but would have gotten owned if theyre obsession for battle, didnt cause them to hold back and not use their full potential in a fight, because he had bankai for a while. correct?
good fight with red haired dude, but then a nice comeback
owned by kenpaichi, then a draw.
slightly healed and then about to get owned by byakuya, but saved
fight with byakuya again, and was not complete ownage, but he did take the fight, but byakuya still was good to go. enough to help rukia, but that was probably due to the fact that ichigo didnt want to kill him
came back. went into bankai and was about to get owned, but owned the big guy before that.
dont feel like including anything else, but he has consistently owned and gotten owned, and could have potentially gotten owned. so i wouldnt say he is that broken. he has his b.s, but still

overall though. i wouldnt say he became a shinigami and raped everyone

[Havoc]

The problem with the "it's a Shonen manga" argument is that Naruto didn't used to suck. It started off with so much promise regardless of the fact that it's a chlden's story. There's no reason it couldn't stay good.

As for it sucking... let's be real. This shit has been wack since Sandaime died. The Rasengan arc was trite. The first Sasuke arc was lame (I'm still shocked nobody died. Neji should have been peaced out). The Kakashi Gaiden was dope, but everything since then has been ass. I will say that since e time skip, Kishi has gotten his ability to build shit up back. He just sucks at delivering on the build-up now.

There's been so much dumb shit going on lately. Don't even start to tell me there hasn't been. Nothing truly significant has happened since Sasuke first left with the Sound 4.

[Pimp Willy]

I, for one, am still enjoying the Manga storyline. Jinriya had a unique teaching style, that was like "Do it yourself." In the shortterm, it's crap, because it takes so long to learn anything. But in the long run, when you learn by yourself, you will get to the point where you don't need somebody else to TEACH you something, you can learn it on your own. Kakashis method is step by step teaching of what he already knows. That can only go so far as to bring somebody to his own level, not to surpass him.

Naruto has so much potential in him. We haven't had a proper Naruto fight yet. Wait til he faces off with the Akatsuki, then we can know what Jinriya did or didn't teach him during the 2 1/2 years. As of now, it's all speculation. It's already been shown that Naruto is how Jinriya was when he was young, so we can only assume Jinriya has set him on the path to greatness. Not everyone has to be about training 24/7 like Rock Lee or Sasuke in order to be powerful. Jinriya spends half his life peeking in on showering women, and he could take down probably anybody in the manga story single handedly.

If you don't like where the manga is going, then feel free to try an alternative. I for one don't believe its gone to shit, and am excited to see where the story is heading at the moment.

Even if we have to suffer through a wind rasengan that he can throw... which might not be so bad I guess.

[Tekno Virus]

Man, Naruto is hiding his TRUE power....He's pretending to suck so evryone can underestimate him.

[BEWD]

.....that better be sarcasm. If so, he's doing one hell of a job.

@ShinAkumax: I still really want to see someone fucking off orochimaru, that is gonna have to happen sometime, maybe Akatsuki? I just want to see who and when Kishi will have the deed done, as the snake man has to croak sometime or another, and with all the stuff going on lately, there should be no contest when it comes to Itachi being stronger than Orochimaru(though NF kiddies might deny it still) I wouldn't be surprised if Kakuzu/Hidan were stronger as well....just a matter of how do you kill him since he showed wicked snakey moves against the 4 tailed naruto.

[UnCauzi]

Wait people still read this?

[Crayz Penguin]

the manga is stinkin things up. seems like fans are clinging to scraps.

[BEWD]

@Uncauzi: I just need to see a dead orochimaru and I'll be happy =), as long as Kishi doesn't give him a bullshit sendoff or off the screen ko.

[4neqs]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/dyango/1152800951391.jpg

[BEWD]

Haha, Black Gai is still better :P

[SaiST]

As for it sucking... let's be real. This shit has been wack since Sandaime died.
What's interesting is that Kishimoto had just started hiring assistants around that point. Right after Sarutobi's death, iirc.

I think that's got a lot to do with it.

I'm not going to say the series has sucked since then, it's just been progressively getting worse. My complaints with Naruto kind of started there; pacing issues, needlessly drawn out scenarios, too many wasted panels.

Part 2 introduced two of my other complaints: Recycling of themes, and the condescending way Kishi beats us over the head with key plot points. As said before, we know this is a SJ manga, but it wasn't nearly this bad before...

I still enjoy the manga, something to keep me occupied during the downtime. But this shit could definitely be better.

[EDIT] - Oh, and for laughs:

Stabby McKillyou: Well, I liked it better than that terrible shitty Sakura fight.
Sai2K: Haha. The SRK crowd only hates on the Sakura fight because Sasori died.
Sai2K: The fight itself was fantastic, nobody liked the conclusion is all.
Stabby McKillyou: That is just Uncauzi.
Stabby McKillyou: I hate on that fight because it was ten fucking chapters.
Sai2K: There have been longer fights.
Stabby McKillyou: Ah
Stabby McKillyou: But have there been longer fights with characters I care about less?
Sai2K: C'mon now, think of it as Sakura making up.
Stabby McKillyou: She didn't make it up. She took 10 chapters for the guy to kill himself.
Sai2K: >_> Point.
Stabby McKillyou: Even Sasori just wanted that shit to end.

[ViciousSLASH]

:rofl: Yeah, lemme do it. In the past few hours I've just come up with (IMHO) a great timeskip Naruto storyline.

I'll totally draw it if you write it.

[Tekno Virus]

Can anyone make/draw a picture of Kakashi getting sharingan eye ripped out by Itachi?

I know, i know, i should go to iamge mish mash but there's more attention here. sorry.

[UnCauzi]

I'll totally draw it if you write it.

You best not let Sasori die like a suicidal chump again or I will hunt you down.

[Tantin]

I'll totally draw it if you write it.
It needs a narrator that looks like The Joker from the 1960's Bat-movie

[ReggieHadoken]

:rofl: Yeah, lemme do it. In the past few hours I've just come up with (IMHO) a great timeskip Naruto storyline.

Would it involve Hinata confessing her feelings for Naruto and them getting together? That would be freaking sweet. I mean, did you guys not see Hinata's hotness after the time skip? I mean, DANG! She has that cute-hotness about her. And she got boobies, too! While Sakura still has jack. Seriously, I really hope Kishi-San says screw the laws of Shonen manga and pits Naruto with Hinata. Although it is pathetically obvious that Sakura has a crush on Naruto now, I still think he should be with Hinata. This is the one person who admired him from afar when no one else did.

As for the fillers, I haven't seen them, but I've seen clips of some through AMVs and I do like the Naruto/Hinata bits. As it was already stated, the fillers develope their friendship/relationship far more than the manga does.

[UnCauzi]

Fuck love bullshit, let me know when the manga has more blood. Saist you got the SN it is your duty sir.

[Azrael]

What's interesting is that Kishimoto had just started hiring assistants around that point. Right after Sarutobi's death, iirc.

I think that's got a lot to do with it.

I'm not going to say the series has sucked since then, it's just been progressively getting worse. My complaints with Naruto kind of started there; pacing issues, needlessly drawn out scenarios, too many wasted panels.

Part 2 introduced two of my other complaints: Recycling of themes, and the condescending way Kishi beats us over the head with key plot points. As said before, we know this is a SJ manga, but it wasn't nearly this bad before... Yeah, exactly. I kind of feel the series started great and has been getting progressively worse. I'm not sure if I'd say Wave Country > Chuunin Exam, but everything since Chuunin hasn't lived up to those two arcs. And I wouldn't say post timeskip has been downright awful...but compared to what this story used to be, it's tragic. What's Kishi doing anyway?

Anyway, I'll put my money where my mouth is. If I was writing Naruto, this is what I'd come up with post-timeskip. Keep in mind I thought this up within the span of all of one day.

Naruto (Post Timeskip) Chapter 1
by Kishi...er....Az

A Homecoming Clouded With Uncertainty

We see Naruto standing by himself at the gates to the Hidden Village of the Leaf. He seems a bit hesistant to enter. Quick flashback to a few weeks ago. Naruto is training in the mountains by having a heavy sparring session with...well...himself. The session is interrupted however by Jiraiya.

Naruto: ...Erosennin! What are you doing here? I haven't seen you in awhile.
Jiraiya: ...Will you stop calling me that already? Anyway, training's over.
Naruto: What, for today? But I've really only just started.
Jiraiya: That's not what I meant. I mean your training here has ended for now. You have to go back to Konoha.
Naruto: ...What? Why?
Jiraiya: I just found out there's a war going on now. All countries are involved, including the Fire Country and Konoha. It seems as if it's been going on for some time now. We've been out here by ourselves for too long.
Naruto: A war?
Jiraiya: At any rate, since it's war, Konoha will need all of its resources. Including you. (Here, Jiraiya almost says "especially since Sasuke defected", but he manages to stop himself). So you'd better go back.

Back to the present. Naruto enters Konoha. He thinks to himself that it hasn't changed much, despite the passage of 4 years and a possible war going on. He looks for a familiar face but doesn't see any immediately. As he walks, he finds himself in front of the Haruno residence. He stops for a moment, and seems to consider it, but then lowers his head and moves on.

Naruto ends up at, of course, Ichiraku Ramen. He's pleased to find the old man as spirited as usual. He considers asking him about the war but figures the old man wouldn't know much anyway. As Naruto is eating his ramen, he's surprised as Shikamaru drops by for a bowl. Shikamaru is also quite shocked to see Naruto.

Shikamaru asks Naruto about his training. Naruto says the erosennin left him alone a lot, showed him a jutsu and then made him figure it out on his own. But he says he could have learned a lot more with proper instruction, but even still he managed to figure some things out. Shikamaru says Naruto looks like he's gotten stronger. At any rate, it's good timing that Naruto has returned. Shikamaru has been assigned a mission the day after tomorrow, and with Naruto's return maybe they can form a three-man team with Hinata to carry it out.

However, Naruto declines, saying it's none of his business. Shikamaru is surprised - "You know we're in a war, right? It's everyone's business." But Naruto is still not interested.

Naruto: I need to continue my training. I'm not strong enough yet. Even I know that.
Shikamaru: Training can wait, can't it? I know this kind of speech doesn't suit me, but your village, no, your country needs you now.
Naruto: You don't understand, do you? How am I supposed to help save a country when I couldn't even save my best friend?

Shikamaru is silenced. Naruto feels the harshness of his own words.

Naruto: Anyway, why don't you just go with Ino and Chouji? And Hinata has Kiba and Shino as well, you don't need me.
Shikamaru: I can't go with Ino. She's been sent on a different mission right now.
Naruto: .....
Shikamaru: ...And Chouji, Kiba, and Shino are all dead.
Naruto: .....?!

End Chapter 1

[Azrael]

Naruto Post Timeskip
by Az-moto

Moving Backwards

Naruto: What?! Chouji...Kiba...Shino...dead?!

Shikamaru takes a moment to think about how to say what he's going to say.

Shikamaru: As for Chouji...the three of us were on a mission. We ran into some problems. Chouji sacrificed himself to save Ino. Ino took it pretty hard for awhile, especially since she was always the first one to call him useless. As for Kiba and Shino...the two of them plus Hinata were on their way to a mission, when they ran into an enemy trap. Thanks to her Byakugan, Hinata was able to see and avoid the trap...but she wasn't able to save Kiba and Shino. She came back to the village, and ever since she's been locked up in her room. No one's seen her since.

Naruto is overwhelmed by Shikamaru's words.

Shikamaru: It's troublesome, but since there's no one else, I was going to try and talk to her, get her to come on the mission with me. But you'd probably have better luck at it than I would. You're good at that kind of thing.

Naruto leaves Ichiraku, Shikamaru's words still heavy on his shoulders. The next day, he wanders around Konoha aimlessly, again passing by the Haruno residence but not stopping. He eventually finds himself at the Hyuuga Clan. He is about to turn around when a Hyuuga stops him and asks what he's doing. Naruto absent-mindedly asks about Hinata. The Hyuuga seems disgusted at the mention of her, and points to where she's holed herself up.

Naruto goes to talk to Hinata. She too is surprised to learn of his return. She talks to Naruto through the door. Naruto asks her to open up, but she refuses. "Is this because you think you let your teammates die?" Naruto asks. "Hinata, you've got to come out of there! You wanted people to acknowledge your strength, right? In here you're just getting weaker! You'd come so far, don't throw it all away!" After some silence, Hinata tells him he doesn't know what it's like to have a teammember die. Naruto falls silent too. "You're right. My teammate didn't die. ...But maybe it'd be better if he had." Disappointed, Naruto leaves.

Later, Naruto is sitting in a tree, thinking by himself. He is interrupted by the arrival of Kakashi.

Naruto: ...Kakashi! You're...
Kakashi: Still alive? Is that what you were going to say? C'mon, the Legendary Copy Ninja...or whatever it was...won't die so easily.
Naruto: Anyway, I'm glad to see you.
Kakashi: It seems Jiraiya has ended your training early. Because of the war, right?
Naruto: Kakashi...has anyone else...in this war...you know...
Kakashi: (displaying his care-free smile) No one else you know. There have been a few close calls though. ...Not quite the homecoming you wanted, is it? But this is war, and these things happen, unfortunately.
Naruto: ........
Kakashi: But anyway...hey, why don't we go see Sakura? I heard she just returned from a mission. I'm sure she'll be happy to see you.
Naruto: ...Sakura? Okay...

Naruto and Kakashi pay a visit to Sakura. Naruto and Sakura exchange greetings and swap a few tales about their training. But the conversation is forced and awkward. Naruto quickly finds an excuse to leave. Kakashi goes with him, thinking "Things have changed between those two. And it doesn't take a special eye to see the reason why."

The next morning, we see Shikamaru getting ready to head out on his mission. "So I'm going alone after all. How troublesome..." As he approaches the gate, he sees a lone figure waiting for him. It's Naruto.

Shikamaru: Naruto! So, you changed your mind?
Naruto: Yeah. You need my help right? I can't let you go all alone.
Shikamaru: Well, thanks. ...Did you talk to Hinata?
Naruto: .......
Shikamaru: I see. Well, that can't be helped I guess. It's troublesome, but it'll just be the two of us then.
Naruto: Well, let's get going then.
Shikamaru: Eh? You're not going to pump your fist in the air and say "Let's go!" or something like that?
Naruto: You know Shikamaru, I'm not the kid I used to be.
Shikamaru: ...I see.

End Chapter 2

[Pimp Willy]

So, you basically took everything that was Naruto (hot headed, stubborn, excitable) and axed that... then took what was Shikimaru (carefree, aloof) and axed that... tossed them into a war which killed off most of the genin 9... plus you skipped over the entire Naruto/Sakura reunion, which is a big deal.

Sorry, but if you wanna bash Kishi and then say you're gonna write your own story of how Naruto should have been, at least make it good (of course, just my opinion thus far)

[ViciousSLASH]

I think it's not bad.

Someone can change a lot in 2.5 years. Also he said he came up with it in a day.

Like I said, I would totally draw it come august.

[Hunter D]

Hotness Az.

[Tantin]

I like it.. But the dialog is to stiff. Plus the line "I just found out there's a war going on" gets to me. Jiriyia, the fuck up he is, is still an amazing ninja. He'd be one of the first people to be informed by Tsunade. He wouldn't be hard to find either, as if he's going to ditch Naruto during his training, he'd be doing it to go /do something/ like when he taught Naruto the rensen.

[TheRock]

So, you basically took everything that was Naruto (hot headed, stubborn, excitable) and axed that... then took what was Shikimaru (carefree, aloof) and axed that... tossed them into a war which killed off most of the genin 9... plus you skipped over the entire Naruto/Sakura reunion, which is a big deal.

Sorry, but if you wanna bash Kishi and then say you're gonna write your own story of how Naruto should have been, at least make it good (of course, just my opinion thus far)

Co-sign.

[Ki Shima]

lol if narutos so low now why is it still talked about more than any other manga in this forum

it looks like even a shit naruto is better than any other new manga :rofl:

everything its doing "wrong" seems to still be interesting, no manga is completely interesting all the way, look at the garlic jnr saga :rofl:

[Azrael]

So, you basically took everything that was Naruto (hot headed, stubborn, excitable) and axed that... then took what was Shikimaru (carefree, aloof) and axed that... tossed them into a war which killed off most of the genin 9... plus you skipped over the entire Naruto/Sakura reunion, which is a big deal.
Just a few ideas, casually written down. If I was going to do it for real, I would have expanded on everything (like the Naruto-Sakura reunion, for one). And there's more in my head I just haven't written down (too lazy).

And, people change. Especially kids. I know, I work with them. I've seen the most hyper-active 12 year olds become aloof by the age of 15. I think that Naruto having failed to save Sasuke would have a fairly negative effect on him, at least for awhile. If I were to continue that story...Naruto and Shikamaru would go on the mission, and in the process we'd get to see a few new jutsu from the both of them. However, they both get caught in a bad spot, and it takes Hinata showing up to get them out of it. Hinata is exhausted from her efforts, so Shikmaru takes them to a nearby village to rest. The villagers have come to hate all ninja because of the war. Naruto is confused with everything that is going on (Hinata here would be a great suppliment to the character). By the end, Naruto regains much of his resolve. Sort of like a Wave Country Arc but with Naruto instead of Inari needing a heart-mending.

Anyway, like I said, just a one-day idea.

[Pat the Great]

hey i was watching the TV show but stopped about a year ago, after that Sonic vs. Tails - errrr i mean Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. i tuned in to find some bullshit about curry a while later? what the fuck? has it gotten back on the manga plotline yet?

[catchafire]

man, was watching the series on Toonami tonight. The voice acting is TERRIBLE!!! Jeez, the people sound HORRID! Who the hell would ever want to watch that garbage after watching the Japanese version.

[Zachman]

man, was watching the series on Toonami tonight. The voice acting is TERRIBLE!!! Jeez, the people sound HORRID! Who the hell would ever want to watch that garbage after watching the Japanese version.
Cosign!!!
We agree on something.

[De4dEyE]

Naruto [the character] sounds insane with the dubbing. RRaawwrrSasuke? His voice is so fucking gritty..

[Starhammer]

You best not let Sasori die like a suicidal chump again or I will hunt you down.

no, WE will hunt him down. on top of that, I'll take over the drawing chores once he's gone.

-Starhammer-

[Dasrik]

Cosign!!!
We agree on something.
Wow, this thread is full of Narutards. Why am I not surprised?

[Zachman]

Wow, this thread is full of Narutards. Why am I not surprised?
What's a Narutard?

[Sweet Tooth]

I'd guess hardcore Naruto fanboys?

[Pimp Willy]

http://narutardfail.ytmnd.com/

But yeah, I was de-virginized by the English Dub, and I don't mind it so much. Though I do think Shino and Chouji kinda got a crap dub, I don't mind the others as much. In fact, I prefer the english Naruto voice to the Japanese Naruto voice. Sacreligious, I know.

[T-Kimura]

dasrik is just mad cause he likes and supports the dub. really though, the dubbing is terrible and they could have done better with the casting, VIZ is just retarded.

good dubs to me are things like:
Gundam Seed
Gundam Wing
Witch Hunter Robin
Samurai Champloo
Rurouni Kenshin
Fullmetal Alchemist
Wolf's Rain
R.O.D OVA/TV
DragonBall Z

all of those series have great dubs because of great casting. notice ALL the shows i listed are either licensed by geneon, funimation, bandai, manga ent., or mediablasters. i think VIZ just sucks at dubbing basically and someone else like geneon should have licensed naruto. the only thing viz does a pretty good job on is inuyasha and hikaru no go.

i don't really see how anyone could enjoy the naruto dub if they've already watched the original.

[Obliterate]

What's a good place to get reviews/upcoming release information online? Also a descent online site to buy some anime. I'm so far behind in everything its ridiculous, I need to stop relying on Cartoon Network for anime (pathetic yes I know).

[Dasrik]

dasrik is just mad cause he likes and supports the dub.
I'm mad because I can count on the fingers of my hand people who hate the dub and have legitimate reasons. For the record, if you have reasons, and can actually speak Japanese, (in other words, not reliant on fansubs and fanlations) then I'll listen to you, otherwise STFU.

[Gasaraki]

Obliterate, ask in the anime and manga thread (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65949), not the naruto thread.

[De4dEyE]

The dub literally sounds retarded to me. Watching Naruto cry/lecture Zabuza in English hurt my ears. I'd rather read a fansub and hear Japanese than listen to something that makes me laugh when something 'sad' is happening.

[Snowman]

Naruto [the character] sounds insane with the dubbing. RRaawwrrSasuke? His voice is so fucking gritty..
Because its provided by a fat useless woman who has no VA talent.

[Mango91]

I don't mind the american voices EXCEPT Shino's.

WOW, I just heard it last night and he sounds like a stalker that kills random people off the street after raping them. That was a major let-down. His orginal voice sounds much better.

Everyone else's isn't bad.

[Dasrik]

I'd guess hardcore Naruto fanboys?
No, "Narutard" has the added element of retardation based on having total faith in fansubs and the like, and mindlessly hating anything that violates their emotional attachment to what essentially boils down to gibberish.

[catchafire]

No, "Narutard" has the added element of retardation based on having total faith in fansubs and the like, and mindlessly hating anything that violates their emotional attachment to what essentially boils down to gibberish.

I'm happy to say that your opinion is retarded and that the majority of people in this thread agrees with me. I don't have to understand the the Japanese language to see the difference between quality and shit. I can read and have no problem whatsoever with reading the subtitles and watching the show. The acting is a lot better and in filled with A LOT of emotion. In the Ino vs. Sakura fight they aired on toonami last night, I cringed throughout the WHOLE episode. Sakura's laughing sounded like someone dragging their nails on a chalkboard, and Naruto sounds more stupid in the American version than the Japanese.

I'll stick with the fansubs, but at this point it doesn't even matter since I haven't watched an episode of Naruto in almost a year and a half...

[catchafire]

Any of you here watch Bleach? I just got finished reading the last 60 chapters or so. What COMPLETE rubbish. The author invents enemies for Ichigo and co. just to prolong the plotline. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever...

[Dasrik]

I don't have to understand the the Japanese language to see the difference between quality and shit. I can read and have no problem whatsoever with reading the subtitles and watching the show. The acting is a lot better and in filled with A LOT of emotion.
That alone brands you as a fucktard, and I'd venture to say if the majority of people in this thread agree with you, then the majority of people in this thread are fucktarded also.

Anyway, rather than get involved in a stupid debate with otakus that will go nowhere, I'll just leave you alone to jack each other off. Peace!

[Hunter D]

The dub is good IMO. All of the voices fit, and the VAs do the emotions well.

[catchafire]

That alone brands you as a fucktard, and I'd venture to say if the majority of people in this thread agree with you, then the majority of people in this thread are fucktarded also.

Anyway, rather than get involved in a stupid debate with otakus that will go nowhere, I'll just leave you alone to jack each other off. Peace!

Why so upset homo? You can't even prove your point much less stand up for yourself. Don't start something that you can't finish. It's funny how your defending the American version of the show. Is this what your doing? Also, have you even watched the Japanese version?

[Rodimus]

@catchafire:

You don't like bleach, aw your missing out. I like it, i think it's excellent writing because everything flows together for the most part. I also think Aizen's story is great to, because it was completely un-expected.

but the story does drags a tad bit when it comes to Ichigo's development, not in the same way as naruto but along the same ways. Ichigo trains and gets stronger...lol. Plus he's like the anti-goku he's crazy broken strong but can't stand stupidity.

i suggest giving bleach another shot.

[catchafire]

@catchafire:

You don't like bleach, aw your missing out. I like it, i think it's excellent writing because everything flows together for the most part. I also think Aizen's story is great to, because it was completely un-expected.

but the story does drags a tad bit when it comes to Ichigo's development, not in the same way as naruto but along the same ways. Ichigo trains and gets stronger...lol. Plus he's like the anti-goku he's crazy broken strong but can't stand stupidity.

i suggest giving bleach another shot.

I read all the manga chapters to date. Up to chapter 235 I believe. It's entertaining but just a bit too unpredictable. Ichigo's father being a Shinigami, and [ ]'s father being a Quincy!?!? Where were these strong entities during the whole Aizen take over? The shinigami turning into hollows and vice-versa just seems a bit weird to me, as if the author ran out of fuel and just spurted some wild shit out his ass.

[De4dEyE]

That alone brands you as a fucktard, and I'd venture to say if the majority of people in this thread agree with you, then the majority of people in this thread are fucktarded also.

Anyway, rather than get involved in a stupid debate with otakus that will go nowhere, I'll just leave you alone to jack each other off. Peace!

That's retarded. Because I believe the english dubbing is god-damn awful, that means I'm an otaku? Again, retarded.

[PsychoSquall]

this pic is cute :lovin:

[De4dEyE]

this pic is cute :lovin:

LOL, that's pretty awesome.:lol:

[DragonSama]

That pic was awesome!

Az your Story was pretty good. I like who you made everyone mature a lot in it. And Az is right I know I for a fact that I wasn't the same kid I was at 12 when I was 15. So his story fits into a natural progression of growing up in trying times.

And now for the OLDEST debate in all of Anime fandom. Sub Vs Dub. My god is it 1985 all over again? This will always be a sticking with fans forever and I for one think it’s kind of dub. Some people like subs some people like dubs we all should say “fuck it we all like the same show let’s just enjoy it” and be done with it.

[Geese Pants]

I read all the manga chapters to date. Up to chapter 235 I believe. It's entertaining but just a bit too unpredictable. Ichigo's father being a Shinigami, and [ ]'s father being a Quincy!?!? Where were these strong entities during the whole Aizen take over? The shinigami turning into hollows and vice-versa just seems a bit weird to me, as if the author ran out of fuel and just spurted some wild shit out his ass.

Sorry to go off track, but.................


Ryuuken (uryuu's father) didn't really use his Quincy Powers because it didn't pay the bills, but I guess he had a change a heart once he realized that his son lost his Quincy. How he knew about Uryuu's adventures in Soul Society is beyond me.......

Isshin revealed as a strong ass Shinigami was a surprise to many reader I heard. If he was a Shinigami, why the fuck didn't he save Masaki. Probably because his powers were somehow repressed, and couldn't do jack about it. I think that he's keeping a low profile...........meaning he may be somone very important to Soul Society.

And please....................don't get me started on The Sasuke Show.

[SaiST]

Spoiler pic:

http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vip61896bn2.jpg

Spoiler summary:


Here's a quick translation of the spoiler. I don't really know a whole lot about Shougi so that part might be a bit weird. Enjoy!

ナルトのチャクラの性質は「風」。戦闘力抜群の性質変化であるとカカシ。
ヤマトの”木遁”は土と水の二つの性質変化を同時に併用している。
上忍以上であれば二つ以上は持っているが、それを同時には使えない。
それを可能にするのが「血継限界」写輪眼でもコピーできない特殊な術。
場面かわってアスマとシカマルが将棋を指している。アスマの意味深な話
また場面かわって早速修行中のナルト。影分身で大樹１本分の木の葉を
チャクラだけで二つに切る修行。切れ目が入り「案外早いかもな」とカカシ
Naruto’s chakra type is “wind”. According to Kakashi, the wind type is very well suited for battle (in essence it is the strongest in battle). Yamato’s “mokuton” techniques combine earth and water types simultaneously. Those ranked Jounin and higher can generally have two types of chakra but they usually can’t use them simultaneously. What allows him to use them simultaneously is the “bloodline limit” which creates special techniques that not even the Sharingan can copy. The scene changes to Asuma and Shikamaru playing Shougi. Asuma has a bit of deep conversation and the scene changes again to Naruto training. His training consists of each bunshin holding a leaf and attempting to split the leaf with just his chakra (basically an entire tree full of leaves is being used by the clones). When one of them splits a leaf Kakashi remarks that the training might go a bit quicker than expected.


あ、ついでに
かつて戦った白という少年は”氷遁”を使ったが風と水の二つの性質変化を
同時に用いて氷を発生したとのこと。血継限界を持つ一族だから可能な術。
そのほかにも影真似や倍化の術はチャクラの陰と陽の性質変化が関係する。
言っとくけどこれ本バレですから。
Oh, and also
The boy named Haku whom they fought used “hyouton” which is a combination of wind and water type chakra used simultaneously to produce ice. It was a jutsu made possible because of his clan’s “bloodline limit”. Also, jutsu like the Kagemane no jutsu and the Baika no jutsu are based on shadow and light type chakra respectively.


もう一個話題の提供
アスマとシカマルが将棋さしているとき、アスマが普段指さない”棒銀”
を指す。上手相手に”玉”を守るためには犠牲もやむなしという指し方。
いつもと違う指し筋に”何かあったんスか？”とシカマル。
アスマに言わせると将棋に例えるとシカマルは”桂馬”力は弱いがユニーク
な動きをするところが柔軟な思考のシカマルに似てる。
「じゃあ先生は？」アスマは自分はただの犠牲駒であると匂わす。
「なら”玉”は誰だか分かるか？」アスマはそれは火影ではなく、シカマル
も時が来れば分かるさと話す。
When Asuma and Shikamaru are playing shougi, Asuma makes a move where he plays his “silver general”. In the face of an advanced player, it won’t really even work as a sacrifice to protect the “King” piece. Shikamaru notices that Asuma is playing differently from normal and asks if something is wrong. In describing things, Asuma describes Shikamaru in terms of shougi as being weak in terms of “Knight” power but has a unique style of movement which resembles Shikamaru and his flexibility in his thinking. Shikamaru then asks what piece Asuma resembles. Asuma then answers/hints that he is just a sacrificial pawn. Shikamaru then asks, “if that’s so then do you know who the “King” is?” Asuma then says that it’s not the Hokage and that someday Shikamaru will understand.

[catchafire]

Damn it... Feels like Asuma's going to die. :sad:


I doubt he will die. His father was killed and I doubt Kishimoto will Hax him off. The only reason I can see is to make Konohamaru a beast and give him a reason for revenge.

[SaiST]

Proper translation is up.

I doubt he will die.
Read above. :sad:

Mokuton has been confirmed to be a bloodline limit. Before you bastards start jumping around saying "wasn't that obvious?" 'n' shit, Mokuton was made out to be a very complicated Hijutsu before this, requiring the development of a very unique form of chakra. The same goes for the other Hijutsu of Konoha.

Seems this is the same for the Nara and Akimichi clan's techniques as well. How the hell do the Akimichi make use of "Light" though? Or maybe that's a slight error.

[noodleman]

that and the fact that kishi JUST SAID that there's only FIVE base elements. Dunno where light and shadow fits into the elements...maybe there are "sub-elements"?

[SaiST]

Yeah, somebody made a mistake--maybe even Kishimoto. Wouldn't surprise me. -_-

For you Shika fans:

Sounds like the "King" is Naruto. In Shogi, a Knight can also be promoted to Gold General which is only second to the King. Might be some foreshadowing with Shikamaru there too. One day Naruto becomes Hokage and Shikamaru becomes his top advisor or right hand man.

[nasir]

YOriginally Posted by Donils @ mangahelpers
Sounds like the "King" is Naruto. In Shogi, a Knight can also be promoted to Gold General which is only second to the King. Might be some foreshadowing with Shikamaru there too. One day Naruto becomes Hokage and Shikamaru becomes his top advisor or right hand man.:

once I read that king quote, i immediately pictured naruto in a burger king crown and tights doing a touchdown dance :confused:

[SaiST]

o_0;;;...

[noodleman]

Burger King King wins. lol :lol:

[ViciousSLASH]

Naruto should be fire + wind. All of this stuff should have happened during the time skip as well ( all the chakra stuff, shikimaru becoming a man's man, beard face dying )

[Havoc]

So Asuma is gonna die in battle protecting Naruto... lame.

I like the Shika/Asuma relationship. One of the veeeeeeery few relationships I enjoy in Naruto. It would be such a cop-out to kill off Asuma. Kishi hasn't killed anyone of the "good guys" in forever and killing of Asuma would just be wack. How easy is it to kill off a character that hasn't been featured AT ALL? Might as well kill off Ibiki while he's at it. What about Aoba? Or those two chuunin guys that always hang out together. Lame...

Kill off one of the rookie 9 or Team Gai and I'll be impressed. Even TenTen at this point...

If Asuma dies, I'm done with this shit. I barely keep up as it is, but if Kishi has completely lost his balls to come to this (not to mention the horrible foreshadowing skills...), I can't get with it anymore.

Oh and for the record, American Naruto is ass. Voices are HORRIBLE. Where in America do kids talk in that airry raspy voice? It just sounds so fake. Shika doesn't sounds as jaded as he should. Kakashi sounds lame. Naruto... Shino... ugh. Don't get me started on Shino.

Only Sasuke sounds good. Nobody else.

[BEWD]

*the BK King is on a whole new level than naruto*

Hmm, well Sai, at first I too just figured Mokuton was unique to the first. Jukai Koutan was said to be a technique where chakra was used as a source of life, so we couldn't have known of it being a bloodline limit. But why doesn't Tsunade have it? >_> being of direct blood relation to the shodaime(technically Yamato wouldn't count I'd like to believe, since he was illegitimately instilled with the First's genetic traits when he was experimented on)

Also, just for some clarification, Nidaime was related to Shodaime right? If so, wouldn't that account for his proficiency with water, and ability to generate water techniques out of thin air?

btw, poor asuma, though I would've rathered him become all somber and stuff gradually after the third's death, not just now in the timeskip

[Evil Ryu]

Shikamaru has a lot of potential with his shadow moves (probably able to make him as roughly as powerful has Gaara) Thing is, his chakra is ALWAYS low so its hard for Kishi to make him scary powerful like the Uchihas or the Akatsuki members....... BTW how does anybody feel about the Kyuubi being Naruto's summon later in the series???? I have a hunch about this..... and Shukaku being Gaara's

[SaiST]

LQ Chapter 316 RAW (http://sai.voiea.net/Naruto/naruto_ch316rLQ.zip)

Translation by Hisshouburaiken:

Page 1:
Title: Training Commences!
Side: Naruto brims with excitement and anticipation! His REAL summer is about to begin!

Page 2:
Text: One more thing must be cleared up before the training begins!
Kakashi: Your chakra's nature is "wind".

Naruto: Wind...
Kakashi: Wind can blow past anything, or slice things to bits.
As a chakra type, it has extraordinary applications in battle.

Naruto: Yeeeeah, YEAHH!! I'm SO awesome!!!!
Kakashi: Not yet, you're not - We only JUST found this out.

Yamato: That's right.
Now you need to train hard and learn how to manipulate it correctly.

Naruto: Hrmm....

Page 3:
Kakashi and Yamato: Yes?
Naruto: Okay! Like!
Then, what kind of "Nature manipulation" does Captain Yamato use for Wood-element jutsu?

Page 4:
Yamato:Doton! Doryuu Joubeki! (Earth Element! Earth Rampart!)
Suiton! Takitsubo no jutsu! (Water Element! Waterfall Basin technique!)

Page 5:
Naruto: He made a WATERFALL?
Yamato: I'm adept at both earth and water "Nature manipulation", Naruto.
Naruto: So YOU can use more than one type TOO?

Kakashi: By the time you're a jounin-class ninja, most people can use at least two types.
I can use more than just Lightning element jutsu, for example.

Naruto: So then Captain Yamato's Wood-element means he can use three types?
Kakashi: Not exactly.

Page 6:
Yamato: I can only change my chakra to be water or earth-natured.
"Wood" isn't one of the basic elements.

Naruto: Okay, then how-
Kakashi: He uses them simultaneously.
By combining earth and water-natured chakra at the same time,
a new type, "wood", is born.

Yamato: Earth from my right hand.
Water from my left.

Page 7:
Naruto: Holy crap...
Yamato: When you can perform multiple kinds of Nature Manipulation,
it'spretty easy to use them seperately.

But using two at the same time and combining them...that's another story.

Kakashi: The ability to use two different types of Nature Manipulation at once,
and create an entirely new element...

Page 8:
Kakashi: Is called a bloodline limit.
I KNOW you've heard that phrase before.

Naruto: Yeah...
Kakashi: That boy Haku that you fought...
He had a bloodline limit that used what I'd call "Ice Element" jutsu.

He combined wind and water to create ice.
An ability like that is genetic, not something you can achieve normally.

Naruto: Haku, too...
Kakashi: And that's why I couldn't copy it with my Sharingan.

Page 9:
Kakashi: Okay, so for your training, we-
Naruto: Then what about Shikamaru's Shadow Mimic, or Chouji's Multi-Size?

Hey, what about medical jutsu and Genjutsu?

Kakashi: That'll take even more time to explain,
And you won't get it if I only tell you once...

Yamato: Kakashi-sensei will tell you about "Dark" and "Light" nature manipulation next time.
But now, you need to train.

Page 10:
Kakashi: Yep.
Okay!
First we need to strengthen the wind nature present in your chakra.
Naruto: HowhowHOW?
Kakashi: Sandwich a leaf between your hands,
and slice it in half with chakra.
Naruto: GOT IT!

Page 11:
Kakashi: I want you doing this with a bunch of Shadow Clones, like we talked about.
Naruto: No prob. How many should I use?
Kakashi: Well, you need one per lead...
so about a tree's worth.

Naruto: Shadow Clone Technique!

Page 12:
(Pieces - T-B, L-R: Pawn, Gold General, Bishop, Knight, Pawn, Lancer)
Shikamaru: This is interesting...why'd you change to the Silver-Rook attack all of a sudden?
Asuma: We've got plenty of time, so I'm playing conservatively.
Besides, it's a valid way to break through the enemy's defenses.
I like to play like this every now and then.

Shikamaru: No you don't. You hate that style - like me.

Asuma: When you're up against a skilled opponent,
you need to make sacrifices to protect the King.

Page 13:
Shikamaru: Something wrong?
Asuma: Not really...
It's just that I only recently
realized how important the King is.

Shikamaru: Well, duh. If the King's captured the game ends.
That's what Shougi's all about.

Pieces: Knight, Lancer

Asuma: If you ws Leaf Shinobi were Shougi pieces,
I'd say you'd be a Knight, Shikamaru.
Shikamaru: Why?
Asuma: It doesn't have much "strength" [for a shougi piece, this would be how far and which directions it can move], but it jumps over its enemies and positions itself strategically.
It's like the way you think and strategize, it doesn't have any kind of easily read pattern to its movement.

Page 14:
Shikamaru: What about you?
Asuma: Me? Nothing. I'm just-

(Pieces: T-B, L-R - Pawn, Promoted Silver, Bishop, Gold, Lancer, Knight, Silver)

Shikamaru: A sacrifice, eh...
Asuma: And you know who the King is?



Page 15:
Shikamaru: Hokage-sama, I guess?
Asuma: I thought so up until now,
but that's not it.

Shikamaru: Okay, then who?

(Pieces T-B, L-R: Bishop, pawn, promoted Rook, pawn)

Asuma: You'll figure it out.
Page 16/17:
Naruto: HUOOOOOOOOOOOAH!!!
Text: Naruto's unbelievable training commences!
Kakashi: Already got it...
Took less time than I thought, too. [he's saying how even with all the shadow clones, he's impressed naruto did it that fast.]

[Starhammer]

I'm probably the only person who isn't overly surprised that Asuma may bite the big one? I always had him or Kurenai pegged as "Jounin most likely to be sacrificed". I'm not really sure if it'll make all that much difference to me, So I'll have to brave up and read it when (if?) the moment comes. I hope that will lead to a return of Kurenai at least. it's like most of the characters have dropped off the face of the Earth and it's little more than the Team7 show. I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed for the best.

-Starhammer-

[Gasaraki]

Oh ok, I may be the only one who didn't get it but I had always wondered what EXACTLY Haku's bloodline was. I guess the ice mirrors were just a part of the main fact that he could use hyouton as his bloodline.

[SaiST]

Oh ok, I may be the only one who didn't get it but I had always wondered what EXACTLY Haku's bloodline was. I guess the ice mirrors were just a part of the main fact that he could use hyouton as his bloodline.
Nah, many just assumed Haku's bloodline was based around the manipulation of water.

... And some threw in the one-handed seals just 'cause Kakashi wasn't familiar with it.

This chapter clarifies both. Haku was able to use Flying Water Needles with the hand that kneads water element chakra.

And in case any of you are wondering, "Ying" and "Yang" chakra nature = spiritual and physical properties of chakra. Not an entirely new element like Mokuton and Hyoton, apparently.

[4neqs]

Wow Yamato

[TheDarkPhoenix]

yamato looks kinda throwed off.....

[catchafire]

Naruto's training might be faster, but could we get some time skips within a chapter PLEASE...

[4neqs]

http://kei.iichan.net/hinata/src/1146318863021.jpg

Lion King references make everything better.

[SaiST]

Thought this was a very interesting Mangekyou Sharingan theory:

Originally posted by Serenity Silk @NF (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=117800)
This is my idea based on the recent explanations by Kakashi about the different types of chakra and chakra manipulation.

He said there are two types of chakras: spatial recomposition and physical recomposition. He also said there are five types of elemental chakras: earth wind fire water and lightning. Yamato also implied that there are physical and spiritual chakras when Naruto asked about things like genjutsu.

After that here's what I think the mangekyou sharingan does: it allows you to evolve a type of chakra to its ultimate level. So amaterasu is the ultimate level of fire chakra, tsukiyomi is the ultimate level of spiritual chakra and Kakashi's mangekyou technique is the ultimate level of spatial recomposition.

Now you could apply this ability in different ways which is why Itachi came up with fire and genjutsu techniques since those were his specialties and Kakashi came up with a ninjutsu since that's his specialty but this is the ultimate power of the sharingan.

That makes it a little different from other bloodlines which are apparently to do with combining two different types of chakra to form a new and unique one. Instead the mangekyou takes one type of chakra and makes it as powerful as possible.

This makes sense if you think about the jutsus we've seen from the mangekyou. Amaterasu is obviously the most powerful katon in the world and even powerful enough to cut through a fire breathing toads stomach. Tsukiyomi affects you on a completely spiritual level and in fact is said to do damage to your spirit and it makes your spirit experience multiple days in a moment. Kakashi's mangekyou technique seems to work similar to a black hole and also is said to involve "spatial barriers" so its clearly a form of what we know now is called spatial recomposition but taken to an astoundingly high level.

[ShinAkumax]

How easy is it to kill off a character that hasn't been featured AT ALL?
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Kinda like when they killed that guy with the sword when Konoha was invaded?

[Gasaraki]

Yeah, I miss Hayate, I wanted him to stay since he was a shinobi that actually used a freakin sword. =(

[catchafire]

Yeah, I miss Hayate, I wanted him to stay since he was a shinobi that actually used a freakin sword. =(

I co-sign! I would much prefer to have Hayate versus Asuma or Kurenai for a Team Leader...

[De4dEyE]

Is it me or is ANBU totally useless?

[Starhammer]

Is it me or is ANBU totally useless?

Their faces are very handy for storing kunai and shuriken, as well as other assorted weapons. They are also good with housework.

-Starhammer-

[Mango91]

Yeah, I miss Hayate, I wanted him to stay since he was a shinobi that actually used a freakin sword. =(

Isn't Hayate the dude who coughed a lot during those exams?

[Gasaraki]

Yes, that was him.

[PsychoSquall]

I miss Hayate as well.. :(

[De4dEyE]

Their faces are very handy for storing kunai and shuriken, as well as other assorted weapons. They are also good with housework.

-Starhammer-

Yeah, they're supposed to be the part of the Elite in the Naruto universe, but in almost every fight/flashback they get owned almost IMMEDIATELY. Have they actually done anything useful? Aside from carrying other peoples kunai..

[BEWD]

or running head first into purple fire barriers doing their best "flame on" impression..

Ninja Edit: Just a quick lil edit for the next bump. I caved in and bought a Naruto ccg deck, the Gold Naruto deck. Seems to be interesting, but becoming the next ygo pricewise(got the 2nd to last deck normal price at wal-mart, too inflated at hobby stores) typical starter deck fare, a paper playmat, textbook, coin with naruto's face etched in, and some paper turn counters. When I opened the cards I was like "DAMN" as they have to be the slickest cards I've ever had, almost like laminated, the promo card I got in sj wasn't that slick. Decent deck it seems though, just felt like posting it, as i do like how a lot of them look, and the slickness :cool:

[Starhammer]

or running head first into purple fire barriers doing their best "flame on" impression..

Ninja Edit: Just a quick lil edit for the next bump. I caved in and bought a Naruto ccg deck, the Gold Naruto deck. Seems to be interesting, but becoming the next ygo pricewise(got the 2nd to last deck normal price at wal-mart, too inflated at hobby stores) typical starter deck fare, a paper playmat, textbook, coin with naruto's face etched in, and some paper turn counters. When I opened the cards I was like "DAMN" as they have to be the slickest cards I've ever had, almost like laminated, the promo card I got in sj wasn't that slick. Decent deck it seems though, just felt like posting it, as i do like how a lot of them look, and the slickness :cool:

LOL. I'm starting to think that the ANBU squads are more like punishment than an elite. If the Hokage sticks you with ANBU duty, either you show and prove (kakashi) or you crash and burn (.......Damn near every other ANBU).

As far as those cards go, it sounds nice. I may check them out sometime soon. better yet, the game sounds like a good idea once I get on my feet. As for the rest of you slackers, MORE POSTING!!!!! I know the series is sucking right now, but that is no reason that we have to.

-Starhammer-

[SaiST]

Spoiler pic:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6484/3714gj6.jpg

[noodleman]

w...t...f?! sanbi?

[Akutabi Gamma]

^Wow...that 3-tails look friggin' badass!

[Niksurugi]

Nice pic, Deidara ftw

[Havoc]

Mangekyou theory sounds interesting. It makes sense that the eye could uncover the secrets of a jutsu's chakra manipulation to the point at which the user could upgrade the jutsu to its maximum effectiveness. I'd have to look back, but did Kakashi have to form seals before he did his crazy Mangekyou shit?

I'm trying to understand the role that the eye would play when actually performing the jutsu (since judgng by Amaterasu, it plays a role even in jutsus that aren't normally borne from the eyes). Maybe the eye has some kind of memory that's needed to understand how to do the jutsus? Maybe the jutsus are so intricate that the user actually needs to be able to see the chakra as it's in motion to be able to perform the jutsu correctly?

Am I actually interested in something in Naruto? No, wait, I'm only interested because Kishi hasn't ruined the idea with some bullshit explanation.

EDIT- This theory also makes our last encounter with Sasuke a little more interesting since he's clearly taken his lightning manipulation to Silver Samurai level.

[BEWD]

Not too excited about this chapter guys, with how Kishi's been writing, it'll be just another *Bijuu makes big explosions, destroys stuff, but still gets WTFOWNED*...hopefully he'll surprise me and it won't be a complete snoozefest of akatsuki pwnage.

[Adam Warlock]

More bijuu info:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=57918

[Bowza]

Not too excited about this chapter guys, with how Kishi's been writing, it'll be just another *Bijuu makes big explosions, destroys stuff, but still gets WTFOWNED*...hopefully he'll surprise me and it won't be a complete snoozefest of akatsuki pwnage.

The difference over here looks like they're not just fighting a jinchurriki but the actual monster itself

[BEWD]

^That is true, just brought to my mind that when the Jinchuuriki went all bestial, their chakra took the form of their respective beast. This is the first actual solid manisfestation of a bijuu we've seen, how much a difference that'll play remains to be seen though, still believe it's just gonna get "WTFOWNED" in this chapter or the next one or two if the chapter's taken up by other stuff.

[Stabby]

Is that Kisame?

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Maybe its kisame's pet, and will be used against naruto?

...

It could happen

[Adam Warlock]

Maybe its kisame's pet, and will be used against naruto?

...

It could happen
I think it is Kisame.

[BEWD]

Some spoilers are listing it as tobi though, but when I saw the pic the first thing that came to mind was "wtf Kisame?"

[Stabby]

That ain't no damn Tobi.

But where is Samehada?

[BEWD]

^That's the only problem with the Kisame theory. Some NFan's are suggesting that Kisame has either called forth the bijuu with Samehada, or it's Samehada's true form >_>

[DragonSama]

I'm thinking that is Kisame.

and WTF is that 3 tailed Bijuu supposed to be anyway?

[Adam Warlock]

I'm thinking that is Kisame.

and WTF is that 3 tailed Bijuu supposed to be anyway?

From Narutofan

Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Isonade is a shark shaped Bijuu with a sharp horn on the forehead. It lives in the deep waters on the West of Japan, fighting pirates. Every few months, Isonade will swim to the surface of the sea from the deep waters, to breath some fresh air. However, when he does this, storms erupt, oceans rage, and all ships will be swallowed by him as food. Isonade has a subordinate fish called Samehada (?) (Same name as Kisame's Sword. Depicted differently, but with same pronunciation). Samehada attaches itself to Isonade’s stomach, and absorbs its food to create huge amounts of chakra, proceeding to send it back to its body. Samehada’s power can enable Isonade to get 5 times the quantity of chakra it could originally get. Therefore, when Isonade battles, he will have unlimited chakra to receive from Samehada.
Situation in the Ancient War of the 9 Gods： Battled 4 times; 2 Wins, 1 Loss, 1 Flee
Wins： Kaku, Shukaku
Losses： Nekomata
Escapes： Yamata no Orochi
Fate： A fisherman and brave warrior from Yokohama, called Takuma Muramasa, sacrifices himself in behalf of two villages in a courageous act, getting near Isonade and sealing his personal servant Samehada in the “Tool of Power: Pot of the Shark-named fish” from seal in the Water Shrine. Isonade then becomes unable to draw the massive chakra, and ends up getting exausted and sucked by the Tool’s seal in the Water Shrine as well.
Japanese Myth Appearance: A big shark/fish(?) with 3 tails and 3 fins. Has a dark blue body color, is attracted by blood (like all sharks); has a personal servant, a small fish named Samehada, as shown above, that is responsible to help Isonade absorb and digest Chakra in 5 times his original capacity.
Ability: Generic water powers, can control the currents of water.
Bijuu Strength Ranking： 6th
Bijuu Chakra/Stamina Ranking： 7th
Symbolic Element: Water (God of Water)
Origin / Discovered in： Four Nanju Country Islands - Yawagawa Sea Area (*COUGH*Nanju is Kisame's Akatsuki Rank*COUGH*)
Personal notes: Well, if this bijuu doesn’t scream KISAME to you, then this note is indeed useful. The Samehada connection is frightening (absorbs chakra), but there can be more about it, explaining WHY Kisame’s chakra reserve is SO big (as being the biggest in Akatsuki).

[TheDarkPhoenix]

As i was looking threw srk, and looking at these random yahoo pictures I ran across this.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/photos_highlight_fp/im:/060720/480/eadc00311240401aaf10bfac7e0c0445;_ylt=Ak4D2xvFfLdt 0SxR6Vd6.BDNaMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25h dg--

Pretty cool... The mask owns hard

[BEWD]

^that mask is badass

Anyways, if that IS kisame, and he's called forth the bijuu, this could really give us an indication of just what Akatsuki plans to do with the bijuu they've captured. Would give meaning to the title "the nightmare begins" other than more bijuumon collecting.

[Adam Warlock]

Jimmy Lee? Double Dragon is in Anbu???

[Pimp Willy]

Shit, maybe this gives some credibality to the theory that Kisame already had a Bijuu put into himself. It would certainly make sense... Oro got the 8 tailed snake, Kisame got the shark guy... that would mean the clay bird guy now has the badger put into himself? And either the religious or money guy (names escape me) from akatsuki got the tiger we saw recently?

I can't wait until tomorrows issue.

P.S. I saw the Anbu mask at comic con, but for the life of me couldn't find a place to buy it at. People must have brought them from home... I really wanted one. I did get a little PvC figure of Rock Lee from Japan at least.

[ELLwarriors]

That ANBU mask was bout $30 at the comic-con. Was thinking of getting one, but by the time I saw it, already spent a good amount of money. Instead I had an Itachi cosplayer show me where I could get one of those straw hats he shows up in Konoha wearing. Missing the bells, but still cool to have.

[nasir]

From Narutofan
From Narutofan

Quote:
Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Isonade is a shark shaped Bijuu with a sharp horn on the forehead. It lives in the deep waters on the West of Japan, fighting pirates.




Am I the only one that found this amusing?

[Rodimus]

gees......and i thought i was ready for akatsuki moves..that pic looks sic as hell. Kisame and deidara coming for headz..it ain't safe no more!!..konoha better protect they neck...lol

[BEWD]

Akatsuki Color page(warning, it's small, waiting for a bigger version)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8348/indexphprc5.jpg

[SaiST]

A bigger verison:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4892/biggerspreadqq8.jpg

:razzy:

[Wil]

From Narutofan

Quote:
Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Isonade is a shark shaped Bijuu with a sharp horn on the forehead. It lives in the deep waters on the West of Japan, fighting pirates.




Am I the only one that found this amusing?

Yes.....pirates. Luffy folks are just around the corner then! j/k

That Mangekyou Sharingan theory kinda makes all of the Uchiha really broken if they can really copy bloodline stuff.

Can't wait for next chapter!

[NeoChaosX]

Looks like they finally accepted Tobi (http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~keroyon/page107.html) into the group. :wgrin:

Those previews are looking cool, can't wait for the chapter.

[Hunter D]

I am still hoping that tobi isn't obito

[PsychoSquall]

With all of this elemental powers aspect in the manga, it makes me think of Avatar: Last Air Bender, a show that makes me think of Naruto!

[catchafire]

Just read 317. Definately was an interesting chapter, however i'm not that impressed with Naruto's training (yet). Seems to me that he's still going the same 'ol regular pace. And i'm not too excited about the wind ability although it seems that a lot of people are. I would like to see Naruto on the same level as the 3rd when he was fighting Orochimaru. THAT was super cool w/ the mud jutsus, katons, bunshins, kuchyioses, etc.,

[Pimp Willy]

According to early translations, it is Tobi and not Kisame... Tobi whines like a little bitch... Naruto sends one clone to learn a bit from Asuma, who appears to be the only other wind type in Konoha?... Kakashi and Yamato continue to train Naruto... and at the end, Tsunade mobilizes 20 platoons to catch the Akatsuki before they escape?

No action really, but looks like things are cooking up at the end.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Nice chapter, and yeah thats not even Kisame. I was hoping to see more of that guy.. dedidria sucks btw.....

Over all good chapter. Narutos using the clones almost just as i hoped.....