Naruto 7.0

[Starhammer]

I finally sat through ep 20. I want those minutes back. with interest. That's all I have to say about it. :tdown:

-Starhammer-

[ViciousSLASH]

Explosive EDIT: Oh, and since VicuouS is probably having a seizure over the utter stupidity that he totally called, I have to say that I find it even more bullshit that it takes the apparent equivalent of fucking atomic bomb to get everyone else's attention.

What the fuck was the point of even bringing the scouting team, then?

Lol at sharigan breaking all of the rules of space and time in less then a second.

This may be the worst ending to a fight in Naruto's entire history.

Doesn't anyone see the retardation of this?

Saist man, c'mon, he had no chakra. He was done. Naruto could do it because the fox took over because it didn't want to die.

He also summoned a Snake that even Orochimaru could barely control in what, .3 seconds, then took control of it, got it to eat him, and then unsummoned it. Since when can you get inside a summon and go back to snake world with it? He should have just fell out of the snake when it unsummoned.

PLUS, he did all of this during the explosion. WHEN HE HAD NOTHING LEFT IN HIS TANK!

That is the largest amount of bullshit that has ever been served up so far. Complete lolz at how long it took the rest of the ninja teams to realize there was fighting going on.

I love Nalto now, it's complete jokes.

Uncauzi, you can't leave us, we need to stick together, and make fun of this as a team.

BELIEVE IT!

[Bowza]

Well we all knew that deidara was gonna blow himself up if he lost, how else did you expect sasuke to escape from that shit. Guys complain too much.

I bet it wouldn't matter what the outcome was, if someone saved sasuke, if sasuke used some other shit to escape, if sasuke died, or if they didn't even fight. Someone would be like "wtf this is the worst thing that ever happened this shit sux"

[The Epidemic]

Well we all knew that deidara was gonna blow himself up if he lost, how else did you expect sasuke to escape from that shit. Guys complain too much.

I bet it wouldn't matter what the outcome was, if someone saved sasuke, if sasuke used some other shit to escape, if sasuke died, or if they didn't even fight. Someone would be like "wtf this is the worst thing that ever happened this shit sux"

its true that ppl like to complain just for the sake of doing so..but, this shit is more than worthy of complaints. Had sasuke been rescued i wouldnt even be complaining...but the fact that he escaped death via summoning (while he was burnt out) is beyond me. Im sure we all are fully aware that Sasuke (the main characters rival) isnt gonna be finished off by the likes of Dei but come on. I just dont think the ending to the fight was thought out well enough.

[ViciousSLASH]

Well we all knew that deidara was gonna blow himself up if he lost, how else did you expect sasuke to escape from that shit. Guys complain too much.

I bet it wouldn't matter what the outcome was, if someone saved sasuke, if sasuke used some other shit to escape, if sasuke died, or if they didn't even fight. Someone would be like "wtf this is the worst thing that ever happened this shit sux"

If Sasuke's team had jumped in after the mines exploded and beat up/had a badass throwdown with Team Deidara this all could have been saved.

Kishi took the fight to a point where Sasuke had to die to make it dramatic and then shat an ending out of his ass.

I can't wait till everyone goes back the leaf village and talks about what happened, AGAIN.

[gemdoom]

zetsu knew of the fight didn't he did he observe it or just felt dei's death?
also i think tobi is the leader but without the mask as sort of a alter ego or something but it still seems weird that zetsu was the one who got him into akatsuki.

[GC!?]

How else do you expect Sasuke to survive from the blast? He can't die yet, so he had to survive, and any other way of survival would be lame. The human shield (rather "snake" shield in this case) is acceptable to me.

Deidara was the one who said Sasuke was out of chakra, but what does he know? Obviously, he had to have SOME chakra left, if even only just enough to escape. Sasuke probably used the cursed seal to make complete use of whatever chakra he did have left in order to survive.

What I DON'T like is how he managed to do all of that in such a short amount of time. Come on, we saw Sasuke JUST before the blast. It's crazy to believe he could actually do all of that so quickly.

[ShinAkumax]

As someone that has often times argued for the series, let me tell ya. Shut the fuck up, that writting, was awful. It would make as much sense as the smurfs being the leader.

The Akatsuki are the new red shirts.

[DaemoN_]

It's crazy to believe he could actually do all of that so quickly.

Remember Goku escaping Namek :rofl:

[UnCauzi]

As someone that has often times argued for the series, let me tell ya. Shut the fuck up, that writting, was awful. It would make as much sense as the smurfs being the leader.

The Akatsuki are the new red shirts.

I agree with this guy, so expect to see feathers ground up in
your next pork sausage and heaps of pig shit splatter on your
windshields.

[UnCauzi]

Yknow this actually kind of reminds me of the time Haku was able to sense Kakashi dashing at Zabuza from about what 10 feet at full speed, create an ice mirror, say sorry to naruto, reform, stab Kakashis doggie scrolls, and get impaled to save Zabuza. Now at least there was a couple of seconds there.

And Sasuke is faster than Haku...so it should all make sense right?

SUMMON, HOVER UP TO MANDAS EYES (durring explosion mind you), GENJUTSU!
Open mouth and jump inside. POOF!

Oh and like Sasukes great escape was always to jump inside manda
and disappear to snake world if he was ever in trouble? Are the translators
wrong in intent when he says it was a last minute kind of thing? Blah. Otherwise
why would Suigetsu be caring around a Manda scroll with Sasuke blood? It sure
as hell wasn't to just summon Manda for shits and giggles.

Utter garbage, but amusingly trashy I must say.

[ShinAkumax]

Utter garbage, but amusingly trashy I must say.



I'm almost out of chakra, this is it, no wait, this is it, no wait, THIS IS IT! No no, wait. How will he ever scape! How!?

Kishi: Sasuke is the flash and has infinite amounts of chakra... no, that isn't a naked Uchia, those are for the next arc.

All we really needed was Sui to say " He must have used THAT move, "

PS: No one's jobbed harder than Manda, no one. He got owned off frame. Kishi just went straight for the pwn.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

I love to see people come threw and argue about what these characters should and shouldn't be able to do. There on that DBZ level now, they pretty much bend the rules of time and space, especially if you have the shiringan.

So he summoned the snake and got inside it all before being completely destroyed a explosion. Last i checked summoning was instant and so was the shiringans mind control. And so is unsummoning.... Instant= faster than none instant.... Thats all that needs to be said....... And really all that is needed is a visual recap so the whiners can shut up...

Sasukes running from he blast, instant summons the snake up ahead, uses the eye's, dives in his mouth and unsummons. ....Done. This is far from the most BS endind in Naurto...

Naurto beating Kiba by farting, and beatng neji by coming threw the ground with a uppercut and him beating garra at all was bull. Thats the kind of stuff that should have never happen. This i can understand.

I really thought the ending was gonna be worst that this, I had NO DOUBT dei was gonna go out with a bang. All bomber bad guys do, but i did think sasuke was gonna use the eyes to teleport his self something like kakshi did when attacking dei.

[ShinAkumax]

Sasukes running from he blast, instant summons the snake up ahead, uses the eye's, dives in his mouth and unsummons. ....Done. This is far from the most BS endind in Naurto...


Hmmm I don't think you thought that one through. Are you saying blasts aren't instant? It was one of those slow final attacks right?

It's pretty ironic that you are comming in here claiming all this stuff is instant.

Do you even know what you are arguing against. Jimmy has NO bullets in his gun, oh wait, he does!

[Weeks]

Poor Manda......

I keep forgetting this is a series that is geared very strongly towards..children. Thus, the plot will be simplistic and predictable. It will often stretch credulity to the breaking point and achieve un-possible levels of absoludicrosity in an attempt to make kids go 'OH MY @#% SASUKE IS SOOOO AWESOME!"

that being said, I can enjoy it for what it is. I'll just have a special place for Naruto and DBZ, another place for NGE, and another place for something like FMA, Bebop, or Gantz

[The Epidemic]

Remember Goku escaping Namek :rofl:

hey! goku was faster than light speed tho remember:rofl:

[SaiST]

Saist man, c'mon, he had no chakra. He was done. Naruto could do it because the fox took over because it didn't want to die.
I just gave a play by play and explained what the "Space-Time" technique was referring to. I never tried to argue that it wasn't ridiculous, because it is. But only because we were lead to believe Sasuke had no chakra left. I can buy how fast he carried this all out, he still ended up messed up by the explosion along with Manda before he hid himself inside it despite how fast he was. But to use a boss summon at all, when we were lead to believe he had nothing left in 362...

I could go on with the maybes and what ifs, but y'all either don't respond well to speculation, or not at all. So I won't even bother going that route.

Complete lolz at how long it took the rest of the ninja teams to realize there was fighting going on.
You're still going on about that? I thought this chapter would have gave you a better idea of how far apart everyone was from eachother. Look at how tiny those towns are next to the Tower of the Sun, and notice how far away the explosion is from everybody lookin' on.

The rest of Hebi, and Team Konoha were nowhere near that fight. They couldn't have noticed those explosions... Now, if Deidara had a reason to use C3 earlier, you might have something.

[ViciousSLASH]

You're still going on about that? I thought this chapter would have gave you a better idea of how far apart everyone was from eachother. Look at how tiny those towns are next to the Tower of the Sun, and notice how far away the explosion is from everybody lookin' on.

The rest of Hebi, and Team Konoha was nowhere near that fight. They couldn't have noticed those explosions... Now, if Deidara had a reason to use C3 earlier, you'd have something.

They had dogs with them to YELL to each other in order to keep contact between the teams.

How are they going to hear yells and not GIANT explosions?

C'mon man!

Sakura walked RIGHT by Radar girl! You can't say "They aren't anywhere near each other" because they obviously are.

The only part that made sense so far was Deidara finding Sasuke first because he can make giant flying birds. Everything else kinda went down from there.

I want Sasuke to be badass as much as anyone else, but when it's just through plot holes and instant magical powers it's retarded.

Like I said, we all like Naruto here, but god damned if I'm not going to go "This doesn't make sense" when stuff doesn't make sense.

It just makes me think that back in the 60's stories about the world ending with the FF and galactus were for "kids" which still hold up somewhat today plot wise and now we've got all this manga influenced bullshit coming all through the pipes. Just compare "The Batman" to Batman the animated series, the contrast of quality is just so large.

It just makes me sad for the children of today, but that doesn't matter, and is for a whole other thread.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Hmmm I don't think you thought that one through. Are you saying blasts aren't instant? It was one of those slow final attacks right?

It's pretty ironic that you are comming in here claiming all this stuff is instant.

Do you even know what you are arguing against. Jimmy has NO bullets in his gun, oh wait, he does!


From the visual to the comments on the blast, it all that pretty much makes it clear that the blast wasn't instant or should i say didn't happen in a instant. Meaning Sasuske knew it was coming, and Dei had to go threw the setup for the explosion. I know good and well the blast it self is instant but it does have travel time and a radius to cover..... Not only that, its possible that tobi out ran it or teleported out of a "instant" attack.

[The Damned]

Uncauzi, you can't leave us, we need to stick together, and make fun of this as a team.

BELIEVE IT!

Yeah, Uncauzi.

If you leave, then VS and I will need to get three people just to replace you on our three man team of hate and that would be be bad since even though we call out the name of our attacks, dress very brightly instead of in dark cameflouge, standard explaining the most basic jutsu to our enemies and create loud explosions, having more than four people in a given area attracts too much fucking attention.

Believe it!

I Naurto beating Kiba by farting, and beatng neji by coming threw the ground with a uppercut and him beating garra at all was bull. Thats the kind of stuff that should have never happen. This i can understand.

You know...every since you forsook--yes, forsook--Mrs. Grey-Summers for your fishy yaoi avatar, you've been acting very strange....

I guess what I'm trying to hint at is that I would rather believe you're some Bizarro monostrity that is falsely using TheDarkPhoenix's account rather than someone who was able to masquerade as, dare I say it even though it's a matter of taste over something petty, competent about things.

I'm not saying that I'm right about everything, just that you seem to (ignorantly?) playing Devil's Advocate when that's my shtick.

I mean, how the hell do you find Kiba losing to a fart, of all things, absurd when he has a heightened sense of smell? I'm sure you know how bad gas can smell to our worthless human noses, but Kiba's pretty much a dog and from the expression on his face, it looked like he was doing all he could to keep from throwing up (rightly so).

But I don't understand how that makes sense.

Gaara and Nalto both fight to their limits and the one that uses far more taijutsu, Nalto, when with a deciding mid-air punch to the face.

Does not compute.

Oh nos. Neji's gets hit in one of the few fucking blind spots that broken Byakugan--yes, "eye power" is quite broken as catchafire put it much earlier in the thread--has by a main-character.

Woe is I. It couldn't possibly be plausible for someone living in a world where a single, basic techinque allows for more imposters than all of Chris Claremont's runs combined to be deceived. Boo hoo.

But, wait, I see a light.

It's a boy with red eyes that see everything and can do nearly as much.

He's bleeding rather badly and seems quite wounded and tired, but he must escape this bomb by himself, even though there are people near by. They are apparently all deaf and useless before his eyes.

He's running away from a supersonic explosion at even greater speeds despite that fact that would tear his bodies to shreds and that he's not capable of creating sonic booms, otherwise he'd likely be using them as weapons.

What's this? He's so fast that we while running away from said supersonic explosion, which is starting to catch up with him since he's only able to move at Mach 1, that's already devised a last second plan that will save him.

If only he had the chakra.

Oh, wait, he does. Sure, it's likely not the sufficient surplus, but summons are just tools to be used anyway. All he has to do is summon a stationary giant snake that will on sight eat him, hypontize said stationary giant snake, command it to eat him anyway, and then command it to summon itself while its being incinerated because it's not moving.

He has .00000000002 seconds to do this.

By the god that is his eyes, he did it.

That boy must be some type of genious, despite that the fact that any real genious would have seen that a someone who specialize in bombs would more likely blow himself up than be interrogated and had an apparently much weaker partner would be incredibly easy to interrogate in relation to the same information.

Yeah, that event, that event out of all the rest makes complete sense.

Yessiree, Bob.

That's absolutely nothing assinine with any of that following scenario.

[kane_warhead]

The only good fight I have seen is with Shikamaru and that immortal guy.

Everything else seems nonsense.

[dereklearnslow]

It's a cartoon. There's your explanation.

[Sacr3D]

It's a cartoon. There's your explanation.

A badly written one but I guess entertaining. Just don't expect some good quality out of it like say One Piece.

[The Damned]

It's a cartoon. There's your explanation.

That wouldn't "explain" anything unless it was purely a comedic cartoon like Looney Toons or Bobobobo-Bo-BoBo.

I'm not expecting them to get every piece of physics right, especially when I don't know them myself and especially when they're flinging around its antithesis of magic, but some damned plot consistency outside of "Sharingan > you" and "Naruto is a dumbass" would be good.

But, yeah, like Sacr3D said. Even if I were a more invested fan of Naruto, at this point in time it has next to nothing on One Piece.

Pirates ftw.

[ViciousSLASH]

It's a cartoon. There's your explanation.

It's not a cartoon, it's a MANGA.

*pushes his glasses up on his nose*

A DUH.

[SaiST]

They had dogs with them to YELL to each other in order to keep contact between the teams.

How are they going to hear yells and not GIANT explosions?

C'mon man!
They had dogs with 'em to howl to each other from a set distance, within a set perimeter. 5km from the center point, right? So assuming there were two groups at opposite ends of the area Konoha was combing, their dogs would be able to hear eachother from a distance of 10km, correct?

That's all I considered. I don't know how far dogs can hear, what variables there are to consider(pitch, terrain, the amount of noise from whatever may be in between--whatever); not a topic I've had much reason to take interest in, I'm afraid. All that's registering with me right now, is that Sasuke, Deidara, and Tobi, were REALLY, REALLY FAR AWAY from any of the other groups--Hebi and Konoha included. A much greater distance than the one Team Konoha's covering one at a time, from what I can tell.

There are some images linked further down in the post, maybe after checking those out a sec', you confirm that...

-It's possible that the dogs wouldn't have been able to detect any of the more significant explosions(basically, just the ones from C2 Dragon's projectiles, and the mines) from the battle that just took place, besides the Tower of the Sun.

-Or if, without a doubt, they should have been able to pick up on the explosions from that distance. And maybe you could tell me just how far away the battle would've had to be in order for them to avoid being detected by those sharp ears.

Sakura walked RIGHT by Radar girl! You can't say "They aren't anywhere near each other" because they obviously are.
Are we referring to the same people? Or are you just assuming that just because Sakura picked up on Karin's trail a few pages after we saw Karin part with Sasuke, that they were extremely close to eachother? Have you considered that, by the time Sakura and Karin crossed paths, a significant amount of time may have passed, and a lot of distance may have been covered after Karin left Sasuke's side?

Karin's position. (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/karinpos.JPG)

And the Tower of the Sun's... (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/tos-sc01.JPG)

Sheer... (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/tos-sc02.JPG)

Scale... (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/tos-sc03.JPG)

Too far away to be in the neighboring towns shown in the 2nd and 4th images. And going by the angle of the explosion we see from Sakura's group in 363, it would seem that Sakura and Karin are already far away from eachother.

[Power Man Fox]

:sweat:
Looking at those pic's, I don't think sasuke was fast enough to do everything he did and only take 1.23% of the blast.

[WasFemto]

Poor Manda......

I keep forgetting this is a series that is geared very strongly towards..children. Thus, the plot will be simplistic and predictable. It will often stretch credulity to the breaking point and achieve un-possible levels of absoludicrosity in an attempt to make kids go 'OH MY @#% SASUKE IS SOOOO AWESOME!"

that being said, I can enjoy it for what it is. I'll just have a special place for Naruto and DBZ, another place for NGE, and another place for something like FMA, Bebop, or Gantz



I'm with Weeks.

'cept the FMA part. That shit is boring.

[SaiST]

FMA's one of my favorites. :(

:sweat:
Looking at those pic's, I don't think sasuke was fast enough to do everything he did and only take 1.23% of the blast.
If the explosion had already gone off by the time he started all of that mess, I'd have to agree with you.

It'd be believable if, during the first two panels of this chapter(with Sasuke and Tobi), Deidara's bomb was still "cracking" with light as we saw in the 2nd to last page of the previous chapter. It would be believable if he summoned Manda, put him under Genjutsu, and hid inside him before the exposion actually happened. I could buy that.

It's still bullshit because of the fact that he used a boss summon while his tank was apparently just about on E.

[4neqs]

FMA is great, it's just the 'base is more rife with kiddies, fangirls and Ed-tards (then again, one is hard-pressed to find popular series that aren't populated with such) rather than those who like the darker-than-usual backdrop and air.

[Markudea]

All I have to say is that Sasuke is the man... bottomline... There's so many people that want him and interested in him that it ain't even funny (you have to be the man in order to gain that type of popularity). I remember the face that Itachi had when it was stated that Sasuke's Sharingan will indeed surpass his. Sasuke's becoming greater by the day it seems.

[ViciousSLASH]

I think we all just need to agree that the fight happened in 5 seconds because both Sasuke and Deidara are that fast.

The reason no one came was that it was over before the sounds could travel to the dogs.

Since it was drawn and not actually moving, we as viewers could perceive what was going on easily.

That is the new explanation for the fight.

PS. FMA is the best, Colonel Olivier is the best.

[Adam Warlock]

You guys need to stop trusting what you read. There was NO fight. It was all in Deidara's head. Sasuke used MS to make him think they were fighting and blow himself up in real life. By the time Dei-Dei even thought about blowing up, Sasuke was already in snake belly. No need to be fast at all. yeah. That's it exactly.

[ViciousSLASH]

You guys need to stop trusting what you read. There was NO fight. It was all in Deidara's head. Sasuke used MS to make him think they were fighting and blow himself up in real life. By the time Dei-Dei even thought about blowing up, Sasuke was already in snake belly. No need to be fast at all. yeah. That's it exactly.

The only reason Dei even blew up was because Itachi thought it would be funny.

It is his dream world you know, Sasuke is just living in it.

[Havoc]

Actually, all jokes aside, I think that is how we're supposed to perceive fights in Naruto. It might drag on for months in the manga, and weeks in the anime, but supposedly, none of these fights go on for more than 5 minutes.

[Weeks]

I'm with Weeks.

'cept the FMA part. That shit is boring.

FMA is the best damn anime series out there.

[Nikkolas]

Haku is my favorite character from Naruto. Then comes Kakashi.

Haku is beautiful in material and spiritually. Terrific character, voice (even in the DUB) and really, even if his death was perfect, I wish he was still around.

Then maybe people woul dstop pairing him with Zabuza in yaoi... I don't mind Haku porn but why with that ugly guy?

[ShinAkumax]

Uh

:confused:

[XAQshinor]

FMA is the best damn anime series out there.

Quoted for fucking truth omfg.

[The Epidemic]

Fma is good...but far from best

[Wil]

Haku is my favorite character from Naruto. Then comes Kakashi.

Haku is beautiful in material and spiritually. Terrific character, voice (even in the DUB) and really, even if his death was perfect, I wish he was still around.

Then maybe people woul dstop pairing him with Zabuza in yaoi... I don't mind Haku porn but why with that ugly guy?

Holy shit. Tell me Nikkolas didn't just say that. YOU did not just say that1?!!?!?!?!? :looney: :rofl:

[The Epidemic]

Haku is my favorite character from Naruto. Then comes Kakashi.

Haku is beautiful in material and spiritually. Terrific character, voice (even in the DUB) and really, even if his death was perfect, I wish he was still around.

Then maybe people woul dstop pairing him with Zabuza in yaoi... I don't mind Haku porn but why with that ugly guy?

y'know Haku is a dude right?



right!?:confused:

[Thongboy Bebop]

I know, right? If anybody deserves some good yaoi, it's Sasori/Deidara.

N

[Chaotic Blue]

Fma is good...but far from best

Agree'd

[DaemoN_]

Then maybe people woul dstop pairing him with Zabuza in yaoi... I don't mind Haku porn but why with that ugly guy?

07'ers say the darnest things.

[MAGUS1234]

fma was wack IMHO. didnt get the hype...?

[Weeks]

Fma is good...but far from best

If there is a better series, I haven't seen it

[Ferdinandz]

If there is a better series, I haven't seen it

Ahh

then you obviously haven't seen Cowboy bebop.

I keed, I keed.

FMA's ending was incredibly rushed, what kept it from being "the best" for me, it is one of my favorites though..at least 3/4th's of it.

[Weeks]

Ahh

then you obviously haven't seen Cowboy bebop.

I keed, I keed.

FMA's ending was incredibly rushed, what kept it from being "the best" for me, it is one of my favorites though..at least 3/4th's of it.

I agree the ending was the weakest part of the series

[The Epidemic]

If there is a better series, I haven't seen it

theres madd anime out there...im not gonna list all the animes i find better than fma

[Stabby]

Ippo?

Or does that not count because it hasn't finished?

[Green]

I agree the ending was the weakest part of the series
Ending? What ending?

;)

[Panicked]

I agree the ending was the weakest part of the series

I thought Conquerer of Shamballa sucked, because there were too many damn plotholes, I remember.

[Weeks]

I thought Conquerer of Shamballa sucked, because there were too many damn plotholes, I remember.

It wasn't great

[Sacr3D]

thread turning into FMA ?

[The Epidemic]

thread turning into FMA ?

hope not...there is a thread for fma buried somewhere in gd...

[Zachman]

FMA is the best damn anime series out there.

Weeks is wrong on this one.

[BEWD]

Ippo?

Or does that not count because it hasn't finished?


I'm with Stabby on this one.

[Weeks]

I'm with Stabby on this one.

I haven't seen Ippo so I can't comment on it. I actually haven't seen very many anime series.

Pre-crisis Naruto (Zabuza arc and such) was fucking awesome though

[Sacr3D]

I haven't seen Ippo so I can't comment on it. I actually haven't seen very many anime series.

Pre-crisis Naruto (Zabuza arc and such) was fucking awesome though

Thank you ! Someone has the same opinion as me ! If it wasn't for Zabuza arc no one would have liked Naruto. The battles were brilliant, the plot was also good. And it remained limited to Ninja battles. Meaning the battles didn't go out of hand. They used to fight like Ninja's hiding and thinking about their moves carefully. To this day I still think that Zabuza vs Kakashi was one of the best battles in the whole damn series.

[ShinAkumax]

Weeks is wrong on this one.

The correct answer was; I'm not with Weeks on this one.

[Power Man Fox]

If there is a better series, I haven't seen it
Death note?

[Azrael]

I haven't seen Ippo so I can't comment on it. I actually haven't seen very many anime series.

Pre-crisis Naruto (Zabuza arc and such) was fucking awesome though
....Yeah.

I almost feel like this series should have ended by now. Kishimoto's just spinning his wheels, and the story gets progressively worse. I've casually stuck around either out of habit, or to see if any questions eventually get answered (what was it that made Itachi so disillusioned with the Uchiha clan?).

[GC!?]

....Yeah.

I almost feel like this series should have ended by now. Kishimoto's just spinning his wheels, and the story gets progressively worse. I've casually stuck around either out of habit, or to see if any questions eventually get answered (what was it that made Itachi so disillusioned with the Uchiha clan?).

If they never introduced Akatsuki, it's possible the series wouldn't be going on as long as it is now. However, even though it's droned on for this long, I still like seeing a new chapter each week as something worth looking forward to.

[strakka]

Thank you ! Someone has the same opinion as me ! If it wasn't for Zabuza arc no one would have liked Naruto. The battles were brilliant, the plot was also good. And it remained limited to Ninja battles. Meaning the battles didn't go out of hand. They used to fight like Ninja's hiding and thinking about their moves carefully. To this day I still think that Zabuza vs Kakashi was one of the best battles in the whole damn series.
That's why Shikamaru's battles are so good. He actually has to out think his opponent, unlike, say, Sasuke, who has the Sharingan/win button. Or Naruto, with the constant "My skull is stronger than your fist" tactic. Seriously, does Sharingan have any exploitable weaknesses? At least Byakugan has that one blind spot.

Sharingan is more broken than roll cancelling a kara-AHVB during Genei Jin.

[dn3000]

Sharingan is more broken than roll cancelling a kara-AHVB during Genei Jin.

Now thats broken!!!:lol::sweat:

[MagnusMadness]

That's why Shikamaru's battles are so good. He actually has to out think his opponent, unlike, say, Sasuke, who has the Sharingan/win button. Or Naruto, with the constant "My skull is stronger than your fist" tactic. .

fucking classic.

[The Epidemic]

Thank you ! Someone has the same opinion as me ! If it wasn't for Zabuza arc no one would have liked Naruto. The battles were brilliant, the plot was also good. And it remained limited to Ninja battles. Meaning the battles didn't go out of hand. They used to fight like Ninja's hiding and thinking about their moves carefully. To this day I still think that Zabuza vs Kakashi was one of the best battles in the whole damn series.

yea i have to agree...one of my roommates was tryin to get me into Naruto, but i didnt like the idea of watching a bunch of kid ninjas. I actually hated the show until the episode when Naruto transforms into the Shuriken to throw off Zabuza. From that point i started liking it...then i really started fiending for the series when naruto beasts haku (dont remember episode #) the animation was crazy for that episode.

When they introduced the chuunin exam arc..that was hot cause my two fav characters got introduced (Neji & Gaara)

find Tsunade/ sasuke rescue arc was good..i mean everthing after that just been going down here from there imo. I use to almost rush to get the new released episodes (current for me back then was 124 i believe) now i prettymuch only read the manga.

Shippuden started off good (episode 1) but everything after that fails horribly imo.

Its like Shippuden is DBZ GT basically..and we all know GT sucks but, we still watched it because it was dragonball y'know? pre-Shippuden is like DBZ Sayain saga - Frieza Saga...everything was good and written well. (and the animation was nice!)

[ShinkuuR]

FMA is one of the best manga series out there.

I had to fix this.


To stay on topic, the whole Genjutsuing Manda escape was all types of bullshit. If Sasuke's sharingan would've gotten fucked up and unuseable from the exchange, it would've been interesting.

[Adam Warlock]

Instead of bullshit Left eye Lisa Lopez style anti-sharingan techniques how come no-one just stabs them in the fucking eyes?

[JustBeenIced]

Instead of bullshit Left eye Lisa Lopez style anti-sharingan techniques how come no-one just stabs them in the fucking eyes?

Yea if they could touch the mofo

[The Damned]

Yea if they could touch the mofo

Pretty much. Outside of the wind, what with the ever-so subtle foreshadowing of Naruto's training before his "fight" with Kakuzu, it seems like even that which is just really small won't work, like poison spores or anything, because now the Sharingan can randomly see microscopic crap and "the color of chakra".

That said, if it weren't for the hyper-genjutsu aspect of Sharingan, I still think that Byakungan was more broken.

X-ray vision that goes almost telescopic over time that allows for instant death touches along with a very small "blind spot" that's pretty much negated if you just look/spin around?

Yes, please.

No wonder everyone hates the Leaf Village and its success; they got all the fucking broken shit.

[Nikkolas]

Why is everyone freaking out?

Nothing wrong with Haku yaoi.

He's sexy.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8278/hakuch3.png

Good face, body, personality. That's why he deserves to be with a good-looking man in the yaoi. Not Zabuza.

[Weeks]

Shut up man. Haku is only sexy because he's a fucking GIRL! Like he looks exactly like a girl.

[The Epidemic]

Why is everyone freaking out?

Nothing wrong with Haku yaoi.

He's sexy.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8278/hakuch3.png

Good face, body, personality. That's why he deserves to be with a good-looking man in the yaoi. Not Zabuza.

:wtf::confused:

[dereklearnslow]

The gay pron is spreading.

[Nikkolas]

Shut up man. Haku is only sexy because he's a fucking GIRL! Like he looks exactly like a girl.

His body doesn't look that femine, really. No distinguishable curves.

Plus he said he's a boy.

The gay pron is spreading.

It's already taken over San Fransisco.

[The Damned]

In a way, I sort of agree with Nikkolas in that Zabuza thing is just extra wrong on top of the horribly/creepily androgynous aspect of Haku: Zabuza as his...er..."partner" just makes the resulting pedophilia slash pseudo-incest as well.

Yuck.

(And, no, I did not click on the picture he provided; I have good sense enough not to.)

dereklearnshow: Once colguile started using that "Sasuke is gay" avatar, I don't think it ever stopped on SRK.

[Infernoman]

In a way, I sort of agree with Nikkolas in that Zabuza thing is just extra wrong on top of the horribly/creepily androgynous aspect of Haku: Zabuza as his...er..."partner" just makes the resulting pedophilia slash pseudo-incest as well.

Yuck.

(And, no, I did not click on the picture he provided; I have good sense enough not to.)

dereklearnshow: Once colguile started using that "Sasuke is gay" avatar, I don't think it ever stopped on SRK.

no one should think that Zabuza is a gay pedo...I REFUSE TO HEAR THAT SHIT!!! Zabuza is badass and damn if they only kept him a bit longer...hell they know how awesome he is...think about it, why else would they reference him a few times thoughout the rest of the show?

[Adam Warlock]

no one should think that Zabuza is a gay pedo...I REFUSE TO HEAR THAT SHIT!!! Zabuza is badass and damn if they only kept him a bit longer...hell they know how awesome he is...think about it, why else would they reference him a few times thoughout the rest of the show?

In his defense, Zabuza may be a pedo, but he may not know he's gay. I think Haku with the Buffalo Bill tuck assist would fool anyone.

[Pimp Willy]

Everybody forgets how most people have SOME sort of broken aspect to them. It just so happens we've been treated to sharingan first hand multiple times, and it keeps having the rules broken/changed for it. That doesnt mean other people don't have tricks up their sleeves.

Neji/Hinata have 359.9999% circular vision, can see the chakra flow and the pressure points to STOP the chakra flow, stopping pretty much anybody. Couple in the ability to shoot chakra from any of their own pressure points, making themselves nearly invunerable to attack, and you've got one beastly opponent. For all we know, Byaukagan makes you immune to genjutsu, giving hinata/neji a leg up on Sasuke/Itachi.

Fast forward to Naruto, who has the strongest mythical demon inside of him giving him near unlimited chakra. He can sprout tails and sacrifice some sanity for some power. Hell, some of the strongest people thus far in the manga could only handle up to 4 tails on their own, which is less than 50% of its full power.

You cant discount all the crazy BS stuff that kishi can add to the characters already in if he wanted to counter the Sharingan...

[Adam Warlock]

I'm curious. is Guy really proud of what he's taught Tenten (ie nothing)? Does he teach anyone anything other than Rock Lee? Neiji basically trains himself, meanwhile, Tenten is the equivalent of Marvel's Bullseye in DBZ. Why does she even continue to show up to training? I know if I were getting trained in the art of Ninjitsu and everyone in my class except me could produce pure, unadulterated rape at any moment, I'd be shafted and want my money back. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but they're all at least chuunin at this point now right? Who in the hell was so bottom tier in the Naruto world that they lost to Tenten? [iTENTEN?[/i] That's some shit that goes on your Ninja permanent record and you can never be rid of. You're never going to get any assignements with that on your resume.

Tsunade: "Ah, Sum Yung Gai, I've been expecting you."
Sum Yung Gai: it's an honor.
Tsunade: "We have a C-rank mission here that I think you can help with. According to your file you have some skills which we could put to... put to... wait a minute.. is this right? You lost to Tenten during the Chuunin exam? "
Sum Yung Gai: *nods*
Tsunade: Well, everyone gets sick.
Sum Yung Gai: I was healthy, ma'am. I tried my best.
Tsunade: You tried your best? And lost to Tenten?
Sum Yung Gai: That's right ma'am.
Tsunade: But it says here you have a bloodline limit. How could you lose?
Sum Yung Gai: Oh that. *powers up and bends fingers backward* My entire clan is double-jointed!

Tenten makes me angry even when she's not a part of the story. There's nothing redeeming about her. "Hey guys, I brought these scrolls!" Ninja Scrolls... how... original...Don't they have fire scrolls? Maybe acid scrolls even? Are all the scrolls really comprised of discarded ninja cutlery? While she was "training" to be the ninja equivalent of a barroom dart master, did it never occur to her that people, you know, move and block and shit? If she's going to continue to throw useless projectiles she better have a godly elbow and shoulder tackle to make use of it. It just saddens me becuase when it comes to comics/manga/anime, I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. it's just in Tenten's case, said glass is half-full of piss.

[The Epidemic]

^there is someone worse than Tenten tho Warlock...and its Iruka! wtf does he even do?? i remember a manga chapter had japans most popular characters and he was #5 or some shit! why is he popular over there? Atleast tenten does a lil something...Iruka doesnt do shit!! Also i think Tenten can take Ino

[Adam Warlock]

^there is someone worse than Tenten tho Warlock...and its Iruka! wtf does he even do?? i remember a manga chapter had japans most popular characters and he was #5 or some shit! why is he popular over there? Atleast tenten does a lil something...Iruka doesnt do shit!! Also i think Tenten can take Ino

Iruka just hasn't shown what he can do. We've seen the full extent of Tenten's abilities and she's about as useful as Terry Schiavo in a relay race. And Ino wins for free. Tenten grabs scroll, Ino controls Tenten, Tenten takes a head first dive off a cliff. Tenten has jack squat unless you count superjumping as an ability.

[The Epidemic]

here it is..i dont get why Iruka is popular over there (or anywhere)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2756/narutov33chap292p0102ia2.jpg

Im not exactly sure on Ino's ability but, doesnt the person have to be standing still for it to work?

tenten do got the superjump tho:rofl:

[MagnusMadness]

here it is..i dont get why Iruka is popular over there (or anywhere)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2756/narutov33chap292p0102ia2.jpg

Im not exactly sure on Ino's ability but, doesnt the person have to be standing still for it to work?

tenten do got the superjump tho:rofl:

wtf, that character popularity poll is broken as fuck!! yondaime hasn't even really been shown and iruka only eats ramen with naruto every 30 chapters. How the fuck did sakura make the list?

[sonicspear64]

here it is..i dont get why Iruka is popular over there (or anywhere)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2756/narutov33chap292p0102ia2.jpg

Im not exactly sure on Ino's ability but, doesnt the person have to be standing still for it to work?

tenten do got the superjump tho:rofl:

I don't know... probably because he's the like a brother/father-figure to our series hero (AKA not Sasuke) :wonder:? Besides Iruka carries around giant ass shuriken and can do the Sealed Bombs Square Release (which is a hard technique that the Sound 4 used during the Retrieval Arc).

[Adam Warlock]

here it is..i dont get why Iruka is popular over there (or anywhere)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2756/narutov33chap292p0102ia2.jpg

Im not exactly sure on Ino's ability but, doesnt the person have to be standing still for it to work?

tenten do got the superjump tho:rofl:

Fucking bootleg Ibuki bitch.

Tenten: "Stand back! I got this!" :d::u::qcf::qcf::p:
Random Enemy: :r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r: *tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech*
Tenten: "FUCK!" :wasted:

[Nikkolas]

So, would you all say Itachi is the "lesser" evil to Orochimaru?

Itachi just seems like a sociopath while Orochimaru is firmly sadistic.

[gemdoom]

Fucking bootleg Ibuki bitch.

Tenten: "Stand back! I got this!" :d::u::qcf::qcf::p:
Random Enemy: :r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r::r: *tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech tech*
Tenten: "FUCK!" :wasted:

:rofl: on the real though she ain't that bad.

[Havoc]

Itachi barely seems "evil" at all.

[Nikkolas]

He only killed his entire clan and tortures his little brother.... Oh and the mental tortures to people...but that's not evil, I suppose.

[Pimp Willy]

Give Ten-Ten a break. She's won about the same amount of fights as Rock Lee : P

[Havoc]

He only killed his entire clan and tortures his little brother.... Oh and the mental tortures to people...but that's not evil, I suppose.

Read the story again. There's clearly a whole lot to Itachi that hasn't been shown. We have no idea what his motives are. We don't even know for sure how he killed his clan. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that he was attacked by his clan, and that may have set it off. It's also entirely within the realm of possibility that AL really killed the Uchihas.

If you want to read it that simplistically, go ahead, but I still have faith in Kishi when it comes to the Uchiha storyline. There's still plenty to be revealed.

As for his battle tactics.... those are battle tactics. Is Kakashi evil for driving lightning through people's hearts?

From what we've seen of Itachi, he's very polite, respectful, quiet, and in flashbacks, he was a caring brother. The only time he came off as anything other, IMO, is back in Konoha, when he questioned the clan (personally, I agree with his overall philosophy on the subconcious restraints we put on ourselves based on arbitrary distinctions like family, race, gender or class), and that was out of frustration. It's easy to become disillusioned and frustrated by your surroundings when you're a genius.

If you think Itachi's character is simply "evil", I think you'll be surprised when the whole story finally gets told.

[The Epidemic]

good post.

I have to agree with havoc on this. Itachi definetly isnt "evil" misunderstood? yes. emo? maybe, but evil? I dont really see it. Especially since he had the chance to kill Kurenai, Kakashi, and others...but didnt for some reason.

[ViciousSLASH]

Itachi didn't kill his clan, he is just sitting there, torturing his little brother with his super eyes and being a dick. Normal big brother stuff.

The end of Naruto will be Sasuke waking up and Itachi sitting there like "lol, you are a pussy, let's go eat dinner" and we see everyone is alive and happy.

[Adam Warlock]

SNIP

While i agree that there's more to the story than has been shown, I think you're reaching a bit as far as who killed the Uchiha Clan. Itachi has shown that he can definitely do it. Everyone in the Akatsuki is a killer, if only by association and the ceremony to remove the bijuu. It's obvious that people die as a result of that ceremony and Itachi shows no remorse for his actions. While his final goals have yet to be revealed, what difference does that make in light of his current actions? Unless you think the ends justify the means, there's no way you can't consider him an evil/bad guy by the traditional sense, and if you do believe the ends justify the means, then none of them are truly "evil" as murder is just a means to an end for all of them.

I have to agree with havoc on this. Itachi definetly isnt "evil" misunderstood? yes. emo? maybe, but evil? I dont really see it. Especially since he had the chance to kill Kurenai, Kakashi, and others...but didnt for some reason.


that doesn't mean he isn't evil, it just means he isn't sadistic, like Orochimaru for instance. Evil does not equal socio/psychopath. If you had to kill everyone you came across to be evil then the akatsuki wouldn't exist as there would only be one of them.

[gemdoom]

what about mangekyou?

[ViciousSLASH]

that doesn't mean he isn't evil, it just means he isn't sadistic, like Orochimaru for instance. Evil does not equal socio/psychopath. If you had to kill everyone you came across to be evil then the akatsuki wouldn't exist as there would only be one of them.

If you have a big brother, you should know what I mean.

His brother is just being a jerk tormenting him with his new super eyes before dinner. That is the entire plot of Naruto in a nutshell. All of this crap that's happen so far has really just been about 1 second in the real world.

Watch, the ending will be Naruto fighting Sasuke in a super emotional battle and then in the middle of it you'll just hear, SASUKE, SASUKE, SASUKE WAKE UP.

...then he'll snap out of it and Itachi will be like "lol, time to eat" and Sasuke will punch him in the arm and be like "you're a jerk itachi, will you teach me how to throw ninja stars later?"

and Itachi will say "Yeah, no prob, I love you bro"

THE END.

[Adam Warlock]

snip

I quoted the wrong post. i meant to quote your first post. Stupid white man double post trickery.

[ViciousSLASH]

I quoted the wrong post. i meant to quote your first post. Stupid white man double post trickery.

Stupid black man wrong post quotery.

EDIT - I didn't even post the quote you quoted, lol.

[Adam Warlock]

I cannot bring the hate against you with that av.

Stupid black man wrong post quotery.

EDIT - I didn't even post the quote you quoted, lol.

God damnit!

[Havoc]

I'm not saying he didn't kill his clan.

The most logical explanation given the information we have thus far is that Itachi killed his clan, so that Sasuke could grow up without the restraints he felt like the name Uciha put on him.

I am a genius in the technical sense of the word (meaning, I have a genius-level IQ), so I understand that mentality. Societies are constructed for the avearge to excel. Seldom do they truly support the exceptional, since they are.... the exception. This social construct perpetuates average results, and Itachi didn't want that for himself or his brother.

That's how I see the story, at least.

Does that make him evil? Well, I guess I'm the wrong one to ask. I don't think "evil" even exists. I think people have motives, and some will go to extremes to see their motives get met. I think branding something as "evil" is always a gross oversimplification. I don't think "terrorists" are "evil". I think they're people with motives, that have come to certain conclusions about how they will be able to attain their goals. That's it. Crazy, maybe. Evil? Says who?

But I digress.

I think if you oversimplify Itach's character, you're missing out on a lot of what the story has to offer.

[Nikkolas]

Saying Itachi is "evil" doesn't simplify him. It categorizes him. Perhaps antagonist be a better word.

[gemdoom]

i guess it goes like that but he also seems very power hungry.

[MagnusMadness]

I'm not saying he didn't kill his clan.

The most logical explanation given the information we have thus far is that Itachi killed his clan, so that Sasuke could grow up without the restraints he felt like the name Uciha put on him.

I am a genius in the technical sense of the word (meaning, I have a genius-level IQ), so I understand that mentality. Societies are constructed for the avearge to excel. Seldom do they truly support the exceptional, since they are.... the exception. This social construct perpetuates average results, and Itachi didn't want that for himself or his brother.

That's how I see the story, at least.

Does that make him evil? Well, I guess I'm the wrong one to ask. I don't think "evil" even exists. I think people have motives, and some will go to extremes to see their motives get met. I think branding something as "evil" is always a gross oversimplification. I don't think "terrorists" are "evil". I think they're people with motives, that have come to certain conclusions about how they will be able to attain their goals. That's it. Crazy, maybe. Evil? Says who?

But I digress.

I think if you oversimplify Itach's character, you're missing out on a lot of what the story has to offer.

WoW.

Now isn't it a goal of sasuke's to resurrect his clan?

[MAGUS1234]

when has this anime ever gotten anything but predictable.
Itachi is what they have shown us, a murderous prick.
IS he evil? From what they have shown us, yes. Anything else is just reaching.

[Havoc]

The story has had a lot of depth at times. I think the whole story has been shitty since the death of Sandaime.

Still... considering the Uchiha story has been in play since the very beginning, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. I think there's more than what's been shown.

[Nikkolas]

Haku is still more awesome.

Same potential as both Naruto and Sasuke...but then they kille dhim...asses.

[The Epidemic]

Haku was good...but team Gai would of destroyed Haku and Zabuza

[Nikkolas]

Depends.

Tentetn protects the Bridge Builder.

Gai takes on Zabuza....Zabuza maybe traps him in his wonder water ball.

If Haku got Neji and Lee in his Ice Mirrors, they die. THe guy is insanely talented with those needles and if he wanted to kill either of them, he would in short order.

[Adam Warlock]

Depends.

Tentetn protects the Bridge Builder.
Fucking epic fail rght there. Team returns to find bridge builder gone and a useless bukkake centerpiece.



Gai takes on Zabuza....Zabuza maybe traps him in his wonder water ball.

If Haku got Neji and Lee in his Ice Mirrors, they die. THe guy is insanely talented with those needles and if he wanted to kill either of them, he would in short order.

Nah, the problem was that Haku was way too fast for Sasuke and Naruto. Lee and Neji's speed eclipsed the two of them by ridiculous amounts at that point.

[Dj-DarK]

Depends.

Tentetn protects the Bridge Builder.

Gai takes on Zabuza....Zabuza maybe traps him in his wonder water ball.

If Haku got Neji and Lee in his Ice Mirrors, they die. THe guy is insanely talented with those needles and if he wanted to kill either of them, he would in short order.

I'm sorry but the story has progressed so far past Hakus and Zabuzas level that it would be like Future Trunks vs Cell 1 Punch Knockout.

[Havoc]

Neji cracks ice mirrors in one strike by examining chakra flow, and piercing critical point. GGPO.

[Tito Mel]

Fucking epic fail rght there. Team returns to find bridge builder gone and a useless bukkake centerpiece.



Nah, the problem was that Haku was way too fast for Sasuke and Naruto. Lee and Neji's speed eclipsed the two of them by ridiculous amounts at that point.

ahahaha!
ten ten is worthless

[The Damned]

As for his battle tactics.... those are battle tactics. Is Kakashi evil for driving lightning through people's hearts?

...Uh, yeah.

Well, for those that believe in "evil" anyway. For I, like you, do not.

But I can't really blame them for believing that the Leaf Village is so clearly the "good guys" when that's all that been forcefed to them.

I mean, really, I find it so funny that assassinating one person in broadlight is so much better than being silent but deadly about it like Zabuza and his mist. I believe that an episode of Naruto: The Abridged Series went over this.

THE END.

You know, at this point, Ninja Dallas probably would have be a better ending than what Kishimoto has "planned".

That said, I have to ask, when exactly did the series start to greatly annoy you? I ask because it was before I ever even knew what Naruto was it seems.

God damnit!

Heh.

Haku is still more awesome.

Same potential as both Naruto and Sasuke...but then they kille dhim...asses.

He was actually probably better than both them or at least better than Naruto's apparently too-single-minded ass.

My thinking that he had more potential was because he was younger than them, if only by a year.

Haku was good...but team Gai would of destroyed Haku and Zabuza

Pretty much.

All of Gai's team has been out of ninja school for a year by that point and there team would actually have had four competent people instead of two competent people, Naruto, and Sakura's useless ass (did she really even do anything in that arc? I forget).

Gai could have doubtless have beaten Zabuza had unleashed "the gates" and Neji's rotation makes mist pretty much useless (even though it would likely give him away and the mist would otherwise probably negate Byakugan's "sight beyond sight"--a counter?).

Lee and Tenten would have been moderately useful, though perhaps Gai would be necessary to also beat Haku.

[The Epidemic]

Depends.

Tentetn protects the Bridge Builder.

Gai takes on Zabuza....Zabuza maybe traps him in his wonder water ball.

If Haku got Neji and Lee in his Ice Mirrors, they die. THe guy is insanely talented with those needles and if he wanted to kill either of them, he would in short order.

Basically warlock already hit the nail on the head.

Neji's Kaiten would destroy Haku's lil mirrors.

Rock is much faster than Haku....seeing how sasuke couldnt even comprehend rock's speed with his sharingan on.


-edit - The Damned beat me to it.

[ViciousSLASH]

That said, I have to ask, when exactly did the series start to greatly annoy you? I ask because it was before I ever even knew what Naruto was it seems.


After the third died and we had the finding Sasuke arc, all the good guys ended up okay, and we had the DBZ Naruto vs Sasuke transformation match up.

That is when the series jumped the shark.

Naruto reached the "Yeah...okay" level of dumbness when Sasori died like a wuss after a WAY too long fight.

[Adam Warlock]

This series would have been much better IMO if Sasuke had died saving Naruto.

sasori's death could have been some next level shit if the fucking writer had any brains.

the problem is kishi has already written himself into a corner the same way DBZ was. Once you establish a particularly high power level, the only way to get around it is to trump it with an even higher power. Kishi established some really broken characters very early on and so any defeat of these characters seems implausible to the point of deus ex machina.

[MAGUS1234]

sasori's death could have been some next level shit if the fucking writer had any brains.

[MagnusMadness]

This series would have been much better IMO if Sasuke had died saving Naruto.



the problem is kishi has already written himself into a corner the same way DBZ was. Once you establish a particularly high power level, the only way to get around it is to trump it with an even higher power. Kishi established some really broken characters very early on and so any defeat of these characters seems implausible to the point of deus ex machina.

wow, that's so tru. At least in this case they haven't fought and beaten someone who's established as the strongest ninja ever. (freiza)

[The Epidemic]

^yea..this anime also needs a frieza...there really isnt one in this to me


- edit - maybe Oro in the very begining but....

[Wellman]

None of the Akatsuki, really had to die like they have, except maybe Hidan. Everyone else could have just ran away, like Deidera, Itachi and Kisame, when the tide turned on them, or they could have just barely survived to come back.

Their deaths so far have seemed like bad attempts to mark the end of arcs. Except really none of them have actually ended, they either just keep going or have a slight change in direction. Naruto still has the danger of 9 tails fucking shit up, Sasuke's revenge still threaten's to consume him, Orochimaru and the Akatsuki are still threats.

The story is moving forward adding stuff, but it nothing is changing that much.

[Nikkolas]

Kakashi and Gai are supposed equals, correct? So I see no reason why Gai would have any easier a job with Zabuza than Kakashi did. He might even have a harder time as he can't copy jutsu or use the Sharingan to slip into Zabuza's mind.

Haku, at that point, was far superior to Naruto or Sasuke. A solid top tier Chunin at the very least. Zabuza, Jounin, said he was no match for Haku and had taught him everything he knew. Haku also saw the Sharingan in actioN ONCE and devised a perfect counter to it.

I have no doubt Lee is faster than Sasuke or Naruto but Sasuke only spotted Haku's movements because Haku let him. He purposefully avoided any fatal shots and he ketp expanding more and more chakra, slowing down. If Lee was suddenly thrust into a jutsu he had never seen before and Haku went to throw the needles at vital areas, I don't see him having a good chance of winning.

Haku was an excellent shot with the needles, having some medical-nin training on top of everything else. He knew where to hit.

[Power Man Fox]

Kakashi and Gai are supposed equals, correct? So I see no reason why Gai would have any easier a job with Zabuza than Kakashi did. He might even have a harder time as he can't copy jutsu or use the Sharingan to slip into Zabuza's mind.

Haku, at that point, was far superior to Naruto or Sasuke. A solid top tier Chunin at the very least. Zabuza, Jounin, said he was no match for Haku and had taught him everything he knew. Haku also saw the Sharingan in actioN ONCE and devised a perfect counter to it.

I have no doubt Lee is faster than Sasuke or Naruto but Sasuke only spotted Haku's movements because Haku let him. He purposefully avoided any fatal shots and he ketp expanding more and more chakra, slowing down. If Lee was suddenly thrust into a jutsu he had never seen before and Haku went to throw the needles at vital areas, I don't see him having a good chance of winning.

Haku was an excellent shot with the needles, having some medical-nin training on top of everything else. He knew where to hit.

What about neji?

[Dj-DarK]

Kakashi and Gai are supposed equals, correct? So I see no reason why Gai would have any easier a job with Zabuza than Kakashi did. He might even have a harder time as he can't copy jutsu or use the Sharingan to slip into Zabuza's mind.

Haku, at that point, was far superior to Naruto or Sasuke. A solid top tier Chunin at the very least. Zabuza, Jounin, said he was no match for Haku and had taught him everything he knew. Haku also saw the Sharingan in actioN ONCE and devised a perfect counter to it.

I have no doubt Lee is faster than Sasuke or Naruto but Sasuke only spotted Haku's movements because Haku let him. He purposefully avoided any fatal shots and he ketp expanding more and more chakra, slowing down. If Lee was suddenly thrust into a jutsu he had never seen before and Haku went to throw the needles at vital areas, I don't see him having a good chance of winning.

Haku was an excellent shot with the needles, having some medical-nin training on top of everything else. He knew where to hit.

Man just stop it. Zabuza and Haku are scrubs. :rofl:

[Nikkolas]

What about neji?

Would his bloodline limit not be screwed up by the massive amounts of mist?

Man just stop it. Zabuza and Haku are scrubs.

They just suffer from the DBZ thing.

Frieza was the mighties tpower in the universe.

Then comes the next season and he's a chump.

A lot of Genin these days seem more powerful than Zabuza, a Jounin.

It's just how that kind of anime goes.

[The Epidemic]

Would his bloodline limit not be screwed up by the massive amounts of mist?



They just suffer from the DBZ thing.

Frieza was the mighties tpower in the universe.

Then comes the next season and he's a chump.

A lot of Genin these days seem more powerful than Zabuza, a Jounin.

It's just how that kind of anime goes.

Neji doesnt need to see to Kaiten Haku's mirrors away =/

And it wasnt that frieza was a chump..its that trunks came from the fuckin future and beat his ass. frieza would of killed everyone on earth if it wasnt for trunks.

I like Haku and zabuza as much as the next guy...but team gai would be to much for them..

-also Haku and Tenten are virtually the same outside of the Bloodline limit.

[Azrael]

Naruto and Sasuke were raw genin on their FIRST mission. Both Neji and Rock had a year's worth of experience/missions on them, and were way, way better in general. For all Haku's precision or whatever, he would have never, ever hit Neji. Tenten is supposed to have perfect aim or whatever and even SHE can't hit Neji. There's no reason why Haku would magically succeed here.

Naruto basically just powered up and bulldozed his way out of the mirrors. Rock could have done the same by opening a gate or two. I doubt Rock would even have to go that far, surely he and Neji would find some other way to get outta there.

Kishi really has DBZ'ed himself into a corner. Kyuubi/Sharingan are the new Super Saiyajin.

[ShinAkumax]

Saying Itachi is "evil" doesn't simplify him. It categorizes him. Perhaps antagonist be a better word.

Your blood limit is to be gay.

[ShinAkumax]

Naruto and Sasuke were raw genin on their FIRST mission. Both Neji and Rock had a year's worth of experience/missions on them, and were way, way better in general. For all Haku's precision or whatever, he would have never, ever hit Neji. Tenten is supposed to have perfect aim or whatever and even SHE can't hit Neji. There's no reason why Haku would magically succeed here.


Give Haku the raw training from a talented master familiar with her blood line and I'll like to see the match between Rock Lee and Haku, if history has proven anything is that Genious + Talent > Hard Work. Haky > Rock Lee

Haku vs Neji?

Genious vs Genious, I think Neji would take it, he's my boy. But it wouldn't be a walk in the park. Haku was hesitant to kill Cat and Sasuke, that was the whole point of his character. He had a pure soul.

Nerd Mode Off:

[Weeks]

In his defense, Zabuza may be a pedo, but he may not know he's gay. I think Haku with the Buffalo Bill tuck assist would fool anyone.

wait haku was like..what, 14? 15? that's not quite pedo, that's more like..statutory rape, just the sort of evil shit that fucker would pull too!

[The Damned]

wait haku was like..what, 14? 15? that's not quite pedo, that's more like..statutory rape, just the sort of evil shit that fucker would pull too!

Uh...more like Haku would be 14 or 15 if he was still alive, post-time skip.

When introduced, Kakashi explicitly said that Haku was younger than a pre timeskip Naruto, who I believe is, at best, 12 years old at that point. That makes Haku 11 at best.

Face it.

Zabuza is almost as much of a pedo as Orochi and your hero, Kakashi, kills children.

You may want to sit down.

[Weeks]

Haku was 11? And yet taller and more...developed...than sakura or sasuke?? damn.

[The Damned]

Haku was 11? And yet taller and more...developed...than sakura or sasuke?? damn.

Yes. It's not really that uncommon, though that's partly because of the hormones today.

Oh well. I'm sure he was well-fed compared to the Orphan Squad given that none of them have onscreen partners to buy proper food for them: Kakashi never takes off his mask, Naruto eats only Ramen, Sasuke has an appropriate excuse, and Sakura, like always, is a hypocritical bitch.


Oh, and...yeah, I realized the double meaning in "well-fed" and typed it anyway....

[Stabby]

I'm pretty sure Haku was older than Naruto and Sasuke. Kakashi did say something to Naruto about there being more powerful ninjas that were younger, but he wasn't specifically referring to Haku.

[Kusanagi02]

Naruto and Sasuke were raw genin on their FIRST mission. Both Neji and Rock had a year's worth of experience/missions on them, and were way, way better in general. For all Haku's precision or whatever, he would have never, ever hit Neji. Tenten is supposed to have perfect aim or whatever and even SHE can't hit Neji. There's no reason why Haku would magically succeed here.

Naruto basically just powered up and bulldozed his way out of the mirrors. Rock could have done the same by opening a gate or two. I doubt Rock would even have to go that far, surely he and Neji would find some other way to get outta there.

Kishi really has DBZ'ed himself into a corner. Kyuubi/Sharingan are the new Super Saiyajin.

naw i don't think they're the new super saiyajin.
I've always had the notion since Naruto came out that anyone is capable of beating anyone regardless.
Sharingan may be broken but it doesn't mean it can't be beatin...same with the kyuubi.

[The Damned]

I'm pretty sure Haku was older than Naruto and Sasuke. Kakashi did say something to Naruto about there being more powerful ninjas that were younger, but he wasn't specifically referring to Haku.


I'm pretty sure that Kakashi specifically said to Naruto, "There are some kids that are even stronger than me that are younger than you."

So, unless it was a mistranslation, which is possible, than Haku was younger than Naruto.

Just like he will always be.

Especially since he's dead (like Sasori and every other red [clouded] shirt Akatsuki).

So let's stop talking about yaoi pedophilia, shall we?


Let's focus on something else...like Kusanagi02's naivete.

Let's all point and laugh. Shall we?


^ :rofl: \/

[Kusanagi02]

I'm pretty sure that Kakashi specifically said to Naruto, "There are some kids that are even stronger than me that are younger than you."

So, unless it was a mistranslation, which is possible, than Haku was younger than Naruto.

Just like he will always be.

Especially since he's dead (like Sasori and every other red [clouded] shirt Akatsuki).

So let's stop talking about yaoi pedophilia, shall we?


Let's focus on something else...like Kusanagi02's naivete.

Let's all point and laugh. Shall we?


^ :rofl:

naivete?
I just made an opinion about how someone thinks Sharingan is the new super saiyajin when i don't feel it is.
I mean Naruto isn't like DBZ where if you weren't a super saiyajin you basically were useless.

[Adam Warlock]

Uh...more like Haku would be 14 or 15 if he was still alive, post-time skip.


No, Haku was 15 when he died.

[The Damned]

No, Haku was 15 when he died.

Wait. What.

When was this verified? Later on in the pre timeskip season? Because I don't recall him being mentioned again that I know of outside of that Kimimaro flashback, which the dub hasn't reached yet.

[4neqs]

^He's 15 here.

http://leafninja.com/biographies-H.php

Pretty sure these are just translations of the official guidebook.

[Weeks]

I THOUGHT SO!

Kakashi wasn't specifically referring to Haku, because I never got the vibe that Haku was more powerful than Kakashi

[Zachman]

Lol at those who thought Haku was younger than Naruto and Sasuke .

[The Epidemic]

wiki also says Haku was 15....and wiki always right!......... right?

[Nikkolas]

It's quite easy to get confused.

Haku appears and Naruto pisses about being nothing to Haku.

Then Kakashi goes and says people younger than Naruto are stronger then himself.

Very easy to get muddled. I was myself until I looked up Haku's age.

If you want a real example of someone younger than Naruto and stronger than Kakashi, perhaps Itachi is the best choice. Head of ANBU Black Ops at 13.

[Adam Warlock]

Possible crazy ass Naruto spoiler with pic!
Tobi is Uchiha Madara. http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72617_vwtuvaki_3_122_753lo.JPG
the translation is "Thiis my, Uchiha Madara's, Power!"
the spirals of tobi's face is being created by a 3 tomoe sharingan

[kane_warhead]

Possible crazy ass Naruto spoiler with pic!
Tobi is Uchiha Madara. http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72617_vwtuvaki_3_122_753lo.JPG
the translation is "Thiis my, Uchiha Madara's, Power!"
the spirals of tobi's face is being created by a 3 tomoe sharingan


Nice

[The Epidemic]

Possible crazy ass Naruto spoiler with pic!
Tobi is Uchiha Madara. http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72617_vwtuvaki_3_122_753lo.JPG
the translation is "Thiis my, Uchiha Madara's, Power!"
the spirals of tobi's face is being created by a 3 tomoe sharingan


that shit would be hot if that true...heres for hoping *prays for twist*

[Starhammer]

Possible crazy ass Naruto spoiler with pic!
Tobi is Uchiha Madara. http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72617_vwtuvaki_3_122_753lo.JPG
the translation is "Thiis my, Uchiha Madara's, Power!"
the spirals of tobi's face is being created by a 3 tomoe sharingan


OMG. if that's true this could very easily turn the whole series sexy again. I'm keeping my fingers AND toes crossed for this.

-Starhammer-

[BananaWeed]

*gets all antsy for the next chapter*

[4neqs]

Another pic

http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=472522&postcount=13

[noodleman]

haha, obito....ORLY. :P Kishi finally let the cat out of the bag.

[Weeks]

Possible crazy ass Naruto spoiler with pic!
Tobi is Uchiha Madara. http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72617_vwtuvaki_3_122_753lo.JPG
the translation is "Thiis my, Uchiha Madara's, Power!"
the spirals of tobi's face is being created by a 3 tomoe sharingan


FUCKING CALLED!

i hope that guy who made that thread on NF making fun of people who believed this shit gets fucking tarred and feathered

[catchafire]

Yeah, more originality from Kishi... /sarcasm.

OMG, King Sharingan is here... More Sharinganess...

[ViciousSLASH]

I can't wait till Itachi, Tobi, Sasuke, and Kakashi fight and the universe collaspes in a giant plot hole.

[Sacr3D]

I can't wait till Itachi, Tobi, Sasuke, and Kakashi fight and the universe collaspes in a giant plot hole.

If I was Naruto I would gouge my eyes out and become the STRONGEST IN THE WORLD. Cause obviously this sharingan shit is broken.

[ben]

aw shit vanish+x-zone times 4

does anyone remember that fan-theory about the uchihas being sired by a tengu demon and a hyuuga woman? I wonder if this helps or hinders that theory.

[catchafire]

Saist, did you change your handle to Killua over at NF?

[catchafire]

I'm going out on a limb and guessing the the unknown guy giving orders is tobi/obito.

Who's with me?

You heard it first from Coguile...

[Bowza]

Some are calling the spoiler pics photoshop fakes. It wouldn't be the first time.

[noodleman]

tobi + kakashi does the fusssssssssssion dance to create kakabi.

[Markudea]

aw shit vanish+x-zone times 4

does anyone remember that fan-theory about the uchihas being sired by a tengu demon and a hyuuga woman? I wonder if this helps or hinders that theory.

Yes, I do... Imo, that theory was very interesting and highly feasible. It may just be the truth...

If those pics are for real, then I'll be surprised at Kishi. I guess we know who's that other MS user now. I still can't believe it.

[SaiST]

Saist, did you change your handle to Killua over at NF?
Yes.

The two images posted in this thread appear to be legit. There's another one, which shows Tobi's broken mask in his shadow. That one appears to a fake/fanart. And then there was an obvious photoshop of Sasuke(from the 8th panel on the 5th page of Chapter 360) with Orochimaru's eyes.

[bbq sauce]

Sorry Tobi was an Uchiha, just not the one we all thought he was..

I'm amped for this chapter.. are we skipping this weeks chap or is that next week?

[SaiST]

No chapter the week after next.

[sonicspear64]

How did some of you guys even come to the conclusion that Tobi is Obito :confused:? Obito had half of his body crushed (right down the middle) and his eye removed (meaning no eyes). It's not like they decided to turn him into a cyborg to save his ass :lol:.

[ben]

kishimoto stated in an interview that he was a huge fan of akira toriyama and that he liked that majin buu was able to find redemption after being reborn as a good guy at the end of dragonball as a "uub" (or "buu" backwards).

somehow, using this info, fans guessed that this new character tobi was the reborn obito for two main reasons - first, the one eye he uses (as implied by the mask) is the same one obito lost and his name, like uub/buu can be spelled using the same letters.

saiST correct me, I know I'm wrong somewhere there.

[SaiST]

No, that's pretty much it. Though, iirc, the characters of their names didn't match up all that well(it wasn't just Obito's name in reverse, as many thought).

Other hints were the swirly pattern on his mask which centered in on his right eye, hinting at the Sharingan's Genjutsu/Doujutsu, and the obvious similarities in their behaviour, and hair.

sonicspear64, it was due to the fact that half of Obito's body was crushed that made people suspect Tobi of being Obito even more, due to the fact that Tobi's entire body was covered up. People were expecting 'im to be some crazy product of science, and Kinjutsu.

"Tobi = Obito" was a sound theory, though I have to say I like this development a lot more. I mean... Instead of Obito, we got the accursed chakra, Kyuubi-recognized super Uchiha.

[Adam Warlock]

I don't speak Japanese, but I took the liberty of translating the next chapter.

Tobi: Yes. FEEL your anger. Let it flow throw you. Feel the power of the Sharingan.
Sasuke: NO! I'll never be like you!
Tobi: Sasuke. I am your great great grandfather. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Sasuke: Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[Power Man Fox]

So if the spoiler is legit then itachi already knows about tobi?

[Pimp Willy]

When is the first time we heard of Madara?

Is it possibly Obito shed his leaf village identity and became Madara, and then later took up the moniker "Tobi" when he started hanging with Akatsuki?

[catchafire]

I don't speak Japanese, but I took the liberty of translating the next chapter.

Tobi: Yes. FEEL your anger. Let it flow throw you. Feel the power of the Sharingan.
Sasuke: NO! I'll never be like you!
Tobi: Sasuke. I am your great great grandfather. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Sasuke: Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

I said it earlier that it's starting to feel a lot like star wars... haha.

[ben]

after the timeskip, kyuubi mentions madara when sasuke sharingans himself into naruto's consciousness when they meet at orochimaru's layer. I'm pretty sure this was the first mention of him.

[Hunter D]

Now that obito has been confirmed to be the copy ninja's friend I can guess where the story is headed.

[catchafire]

Tell us where Hunter D

[Adam Warlock]

When is the first time we heard of Madara?

Is it possibly Obito shed his leaf village identity and became Madara, and then later took up the moniker "Tobi" when he started hanging with Akatsuki?

No. Madara was the Uchiha clan founder.

[The Epidemic]

So i wonder if Itachi knows about Tobi. It seems like he would but, Tobi's character seems so silly you wouldnt think that this dude is Madara (supposedly)

[sonicspear64]

No. Madara was the Uchiha clan founder.

There's no actual proof that he founded the Uchiha clan but he was the founder of the Konoha/Uchiha Police Force thing.

[Hunter D]

Tell us where Hunter D

That legendary sharingan user is still alive. Itachi did what he did to prepare for king sharingan. If Itachi isn't strong enough to kill him then Sasuke will be after he kills Itachi (and gains a new sharingan art from killing itachi).

What role Naruto will play in this is a mystery to me. The only thing I can see him doing is gaining the ability to power out of the sharingan. Naruto's biggest asset is that he has tons of power, maybe the most in the whole series. Remember, he powered out of Neji's Byakugan.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

sasuke, itachi, and naruto VS the ultimate Sharingan user..

[Hunter D]

sasuke, itachi, and naruto VS the ultimate Sharingan user..
Just found is name on the previous page of this thread. The guy Itachi is trying to stop is Madara.

[MagnusMadness]

hummmm....don't you guys think they would've covered the kakashi gaiden in the anime if a character of such monumental importance was first/only seen in it?

[sonicspear64]

It could be the basis of a future OVA series or a movie.

[ben]

couldn't "kono... uchiha madara no chikara ga" be translated as "this... is the strength of uchiha madara." ?

so if that's what he's saying, is it possible that the hooded figure is a different sharingan user other than madara himself (again, bringing us to obito=tobi) using a technique that madara made famous (thus, his strength)?

[The Epidemic]

^damn...you guys on some futuristic, george jetson shit...

[Sacr3D]

The Legendary Super Saiya Jin !!!! *Sorry had to make that one*

[catchafire]

The Legendary Super Saiya Jin !!!! *Sorry had to make that one*

lol... Broooolly!!!

[MAGUS1234]

^^^lol it never gets old.

[gemdoom]

anyone has pics of fake spoilers that are photoshoped or edited? it sounds intersting

[Mickey D']

So....let me get this straight.

If Madara IS in fact Tobi....and Madara doesn't even LEAD the Akatsuki....who the hell is the LEADER?

[Green]

So....let me get this straight.

If Madara IS in fact Tobi....and Madara doesn't even LEAD the Akatsuki....who the hell is the LEADER?
The 4th lolol

[Sacr3D]

The 4th lolol

Sorry to ruin your theory but its actually the 3rd that is in fact STILL ALIVE !!!

[Azrael]

You're both wrong. It's Vegeta.

[Green]

You're both wrong. It's Vegeta.
I hope his body can take it!

/me narrowly dodges 9000 trap

[Mickey D']

Having the 4th lead would be pretty cliche'

As if we all haven't thought of that already. Having Madara/Tobi lead would be pretty dope. It would make sense since he's had a past with Kyubi apparently.

All i know is that this anime is not ending any time soon. Even after the Akatsuki arc.

[Green]

Having the 4th lead would be pretty cliche'
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[Sacr3D]

Having the 4th lead would be pretty cliche'

As if we all haven't thought of that already. Having Madara/Tobi lead would be pretty dope. It would make sense since he's had a past with Kyubi apparently.

All i know is that this anime is not ending any time soon. Even after the Akatsuki arc.


Ending or not the manga is going down and if it goes past Akatsuki its gonna go down faster than a fatso jumping out of a building.

[SaiST]

couldn't "kono... uchiha madara no chikara ga" be translated as "this... is the strength of uchiha madara." ?

so if that's what he's saying, is it possible that the hooded figure is a different sharingan user other than madara himself (again, bringing us to obito=tobi) using a technique that madara made famous (thus, his strength)?


http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=9622592&postcount=9

He's referring to himself.

[colguile]

You heard it first from Coguile...I don't know why I thought it. It just seemed like it was a good plot twist after that fight.

Who wants to bet he (assuming it's actually tobi) is just USING the other akaksuki guys to get the tailed beasts things cause he can't or won't do it himself? He wants them ALL for himself and from what we saw with sasuke, the sharingan can even control those tailed beasts so he'd own up everyone!

That's the TRUE purpose of akasuki going after all those tailed beasts!

Anyone else think so?

[capcomANDsnk]

*awaits Kishi's bs explanation of how Mandara escaped*
dbz, star wars, next is probly jojo
Mandara stopped time w/ sharingan OMG! :/

edit: it's not gonna end soon. we still haven't seen a konoha civil war yet. we didn't hear from dat dude that sent sai

[sonicspear64]

Sasuke can't actually control tailed beast with the Sharingan, but he can suppress them. If the Sharingan could actually control them.. that'd make Naruto broken as hell!:rofl:

[ben]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=9622592&postcount=9

He's referring to himself.

yeah, like I said, my japanese is rusty. at least I'm not the only person who mistranslated the text.

EDIT!

episode 19 is on CN right now... after 5 years this episode still makes me misty eyed.

[Rodimus]

Damn absolute chaos going on in the Naruto manga!!

Also has it been confirmed what the Leaders name is.

Is his name Pein or Is it the blue haired girls name?

Saist i know u know?

be'z

[AlphaDragoon02]

Tobi isn't referring to himself as Madara. He's referring to himself as having the Sharingan, or maybe even the Mangekyou.

Here is a translation of what Tobi says according to the latest spoiler:

トビ「写輪眼の本当の力が・・・このうちはマダラの力が 」

Tobi: "The sharingan's true power...this/that is the power of Uchiha Madara."

So...five bucks says he's the obvious guy nobody wanted him to be...Obito.

[4neqs]

Leader's. It was just a mixup from last week's trans.

[SaiST]

Damn absolute chaos going on in the Naruto manga!!

Also has it been confirmed what the Leaders name is.

Is his name Pein or Is it the blue haired girls name?

Saist i know u know?

be'z
Pain is the Leader's name. Blue hair's name hasn't been revealed yet.

Tobi isn't referring to himself as Madara. He's referring to himself as having the Sharingan, or maybe even the Mangekyou.
:rofl: From that same guy a few posts later:

"OMG, my translation was about as accurate as someone who knows Japanese."

Tobi = Madara, man.

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ナルト
Naruto
雨の中佇むイタチと鬼鮫。
Itachi and Kisame are standing in the rain
鬼鮫「弟さんのことなら残念でしたね・・・」
Kisame- It's a pity about your brother.
イタチ「あいつは死んでない・・・」
Itachi- He's not dead.

民宿に泊まってるサスケ一行
Sasuke's group has stopped at an inn
暁の情報は集まったがイタチの情報は手に入らなかったと報告する水月
While he was able to get information on Akatsuki, Suigetsu informs them that there's none to be had on Itachi
暁の面々には特別なチャクラがあって動物が反応するとの事。
Apparently each Akatsuki has a special chakra which animals respond to.

あとはカリンと水月の喧嘩、ジュウゴの暴走を止めるみたいな感じがあって場面終了
Karin and Suigetsu get in a quarrel afterwards. The scene ends with Juugo's berserk rage being quelled.

デイダラが自爆したところに集まったナルト達
Naruto and co. are gathered where Deidara blew himself up
ニオイで先ほどまでサスケがいた形跡を掴むが、ここでニオイが消えてしまっている、とカカシ。
Kakashi says that traceable signs of Sasuke are present by scent, but that the trail goes cold there.

しかしキバの凄い嗅覚が