Naruto 7.0

[maxx]

Sasuke copied the initial gate opening. Dont feel like getting into the semantics but its insinuated that he did. since the Primary lotus requires the gates to perform and Rock lee opens the first one even before he performs the kick and sasuke copied the initial part perfectly.

Uh? i thought sharingan could only copy jutsu's and chakra related stuff but not taijutsu?

[MAGUS1234]

^^ see thats what im sayin, I mean to copy a physical attack is kinda wierd, unless its really basic. But the idea of looking at a physical high level attack and copying it on sight doesnt even make sense to me. Like is't that something only time can master?

[Kisame]

Uh? i thought sharingan could only copy jutsu's and chakra related stuff but not taijutsu?


yeah it copies taijutsu. we learned this during the chuunin exam when Gai was impressed by both sasuke fights. He copied rock lees style perfectly and only seen it once.

[ShinAkumax]

So you all saying Rock Lee is worthless compare to Sasuke. He is the Kuririn of the series!

[Kisame]

So you all saying Rock Lee is worthless compare to Sasuke. He is the Kuririn of the series!


lol yeah he is except he has lots of fans. he is like the piccolo of the series.

[Sacr3D]

I loved Kuririn back then and I still do !

[SaiST]

Just kind of skimmed through the discussion, so I apologize in advance if it's already been pointed out, but:

Sasuke was able to predict Naruto's movements by observing the slight muscle tensions from his body, not from the path/flow of his chakra.

Not to say that chakra couldn't play a part in movement/attack reading...

Uh? i thought sharingan could only copy jutsu's and chakra related stuff but not taijutsu?
Why would Taijutsu be an exception? It's not like the Sharingan is copying the physical make-up of the person, just the movement of their hand-to-hand combat technique(s). But, just like some Ninjutsu and Genjutsu require a certain amount of chakra or control for the Sharingan user to reproduce, some Taijutsu requires a certain level of speed and strength to pull off successfully. This is why Sasuke had to build up his body speed sometime during those two weeks in order to mirror Lee's Taijutsu during the Chuunin Exam Main Matches.

Sharingan can read/copy just about everything. Using copied techniques depends on the user.

[maxx]

yeah it copies taijutsu. we learned this during the chuunin exam when Gai was impressed by both sasuke fights. He copied rock lees style perfectly and only seen it once.

if i remember correctly he memorizes it...but had to do serious training to perform it. Its like real photographic memory, you remember it but you truly didn't learn it. He didn't learn the move just remembered it, and his time with kakashi he drilled the move to know it.

[The Damned]

Hmm...time to ride on SaiST's coattails (or cock, whichever) since he and Adam Warlock appear to be the only apparently understood what I thought was simple to understand, especially since I follow far more casually. I mean, I could understand if this was something that contradicted or introduced in Shippuden, but I find it difficult to believe that like half of the people today don't understand that the freaking Gates are common knowledge and thus don't need to be copied.

The Gates are merely dangerous as fuck, which is why so few people use them, especially since Taijutsu seems to be the least focused on of three types when it comes to specialization. (I can't think of anyone else like Gai or Rock that we've seen from another [canon?] village.)

Oh. And while we're on the subject of "the obvious", the Sharingan is basically the Staples Easy Button; the similar color scheme of the two is not a coincidence of any kind.

(And, no, it can't copy Neji's "ultimate defense" a.k.a. "rotation" considering that relies on the Hyugaa kekkai genkai of being able to emit chakra from all points on the body at the same time.)

[maxx]

Hmm...time to ride on SaiST's coattails (or cock, whichever) since he and Adam Warlock appear to be the only apparently understood what I thought was simple to understand, especially since I follow far more casually. I mean, I could understand if this was something that contradicted or introduced in Shippuden, but I find it difficult to believe that like half of the people today don't understand that the freaking Gates are common knowledge and thus don't need to be copied.

The Gates are merely dangerous as fuck, which is why so few people use them, especially since Taijutsu seems to be the least focused on of three types when it comes to specialization. (I can't think of anyone else like Gai or Rock that we've seen from another [canon?] village.)

Oh. And while we're on the subject of "the obvious", the Sharingan is basically the Staples Easy Button; the similar color scheme of the two is not a coincidence of any kind.

(And, no, it can't copy Neji's "ultimate defense" a.k.a. "rotation" considering that relies on the Hyugaa kekkai genkai of being able to emit chakra from all points on the body at the same time.)

the gates weren't common knowledge. they were forbidden because of the damage it causes the user.

So back to the chakra stuff...can rock use chakra? i mean we know he has it...its the lifeblood of everyone. its chi or ki in the naruto world. or can he just make it enhance his more humanly abilities...basically making im perform a kaiokenx10 type move.

[The Damned]

the gates weren't common knowledge. they were forbidden because of the damage it causes the user.

Uhh...I don't really see how Sakura would know about it then. (And it's not like it couldn't be common knowledge but just forbidden like how Naruto's physical clones are common knowledge for higher ninja but pretty much none use them.)

Or was it Kakashi that explained it during the exames?

Fuck.

No. I refuse to believe that I'm incorrect. Just give me this you bastard.

[Keits]

Uhh...I don't really see how Sakura would know about it then. (And it's not like it couldn't be common knowledge but just forbidden like how Naruto's physical clones are common knowledge for higher ninja but pretty much none use them.)

Or was it Kakashi that explained it during the exames?

Fuck.

No. I refuse to believe that I'm incorrect. Just give me this you bastard.

Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is NOT forbidden.

Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is. (the one where he makes hundreds of clones. this would typically drain a normal person to the point of near death upon use)

[The Damned]

Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is NOT forbidden.

Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is. (the one where he makes hundreds of clones. this would typically drain a normal person to the point of near death upon use)

Uhhh...I know this much at least. That's why I put "physical clones" since I couldn't remember the proper names.

Anyway, do you remember who, if anyone, explained the Gates during the exam? I could have sworn it was Sakura, but that may have just been general chakra control much earlier on.

[str[e]ak]

Uhhh...I know this much at least. That's why I put "physical clones" since I couldn't remember the proper names.

Anyway, do you remember who, if anyone, explained the Gates during the exam? I could have sworn it was Sakura, but that may have just been general chakra control much earlier on.

kakashi explained the gates to sakura during the exams.

[SaiST]

So back to the chakra stuff...can rock use chakra? i mean we know he has it...its the lifeblood of everyone. its chi or ki in the naruto world. or can he just make it enhance his more humanly abilities...basically making im perform a kaiokenx10 type move.
The latter, I guess?

You have to use chakra to forcibly open the Gates, so he can definitely use chakra in some way... He's just incapable of molding it properly for Ninjutsu and Genjutsu.

[maxx]

Uhh...I don't really see how Sakura would know about it then. (And it's not like it couldn't be common knowledge but just forbidden like how Naruto's physical clones are common knowledge for higher ninja but pretty much none use them.)

Or was it Kakashi that explained it during the exames?

Fuck.

No. I refuse to believe that I'm incorrect. Just give me this you bastard.

sakura didnt know what was going on. kakashi did a full explanation of the gates and why they were forbidden.

basically all jutsu's that cause personal harm are forbidden ie. naruto's shadow clones...but because he has obscene endless chakra he can use it.

you said it yourself your a casual viewer so these are lil things u clearly didnt catch..pay attention to.

[Keits]

Uhhh...I know this much at least. That's why I put "physical clones" since I couldn't remember the proper names.

Anyway, do you remember who, if anyone, explained the Gates during the exam? I could have sworn it was Sakura, but that may have just been general chakra control much earlier on.

No. You are misinterpreting.

Bunshin no Jutsu (clone technique) is an illusionary technique in which the clones have no substance.

Kage Bunshin no Jutsu (shadow clone technique) is not forbidden, and it makes physical clones. Most jounin can do this, but understand that its a stupid move in most situations and wont. It is not dangerous to use, though it is situational for most lower-chakra shinobi.

Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu (massive shadow clone technique) IS forbiden. The clones are the same type as the Kage Bunshin, and are not illusionary or regular Bunshins in either "kage" technique. The difference is the amount that appear. Of course, dividing your chakra between 2 or 3 clones is risky and stupid... but dividing it by 100s or 1000s is suicide for most ninja.

There are numerous ways to make clones that have substance (water and wood clones etc) other than Shadow type clones, as well.

[SaiST]

ぬるぽ
Nurupo
地雷やますます死亡フラグ
Jiraiya is getting closer to his death
綱手ゲロを吐く
Tsunade sighs (or maybe something else)
サスケｖｓイタチはサスケ先行の戦い
Sasuke vs Itachi, Sasuke starts the battle
イタチ「強くなったな・・・」
Itachi : You became stronger
で、逃げる
After that, he is going away
イタチ「一人でアジトに来い　そこで決着をつけさせてやる」
Itachi : Only us, let's finish this conclusion in another hideout.
雨の中、地雷や暁アジトに潜入成功
In the rain (or maybe the Rain country), Jiraiya sneaks in the akatsuki hideout successfully
ペイン気付いた所で終わり
Pein notice him
The end
Eh, seems like Kishimoto's not going to waste any time getting Jiraiya out of the way.

[UnCauzi]

Good cuz Jiraiya is Peins BITCH! COOOME OWN! Figured it was just a matter of time before
all the Sanin are taken care of.

[catchafire]

Good cuz Jiraiya is Peins BITCH! COOOME OWN! Figured it was just a matter of time before
all the Sanin are taken care of.

How will Jirayia's death affect Naruto is the main question i'm wondering... Maybe he'll finally reveal some of the "training" he learned from his master?

[Rooks4]

It's been shown in the series many times that Taijutsu is the only way to fight a Sharingan user. You can't beat them with Genjutsu, and they will just copy your Ninjutsu so they will know immediately how to counter it.

Lee schooled Sasuke early in the series.. although obviously it was a much weaker Sasuke.. (I still don't like the fact that the timeskip basically 'broke' him..) That single asskicking is why Sasuke increased his Taijutsu skills so much. He mimic'd Lee (thanks to Kakashi's help) in order to alleviate that shortcoming.

Another example is when Gai takes on Itachi. He tied mirrors or his headband or something to his feet and was fighting that way in order to avoid eye-contact with Itachi (and therefore avoid the MS). I believe Kakashi states sometime later that 'only you could do something like that... Gai.'

Anyways - the in the discussion of whats better, Byakugan or Sharingan.. It's pretty obvious the Sharingan wins hands down - Until Kishimoto gives us reason to believe otherwise, it's a complete annihilation of the Byakugan user in pretty quick time.

[catchafire]

It's been shown in the series many times that Taijutsu is the only way to fight a Sharingan user. You can't beat them with Genjutsu, and they will just copy your Ninjutsu so they will know immediately how to counter it.

Lee schooled Sasuke early in the series.. although obviously it was a much weaker Sasuke.. (I still don't like the fact that the timeskip basically 'broke' him..) That single asskicking is why Sasuke increased his Taijutsu skills so much. He mimic'd Lee (thanks to Kakashi's help) in order to alleviate that shortcoming.

Another example is when Gai takes on Itachi. He tied mirrors or his headband or something to his feet and was fighting that way in order to avoid eye-contact with Itachi (and therefore avoid the MS). I believe Kakashi states sometime later that 'only you could do something like that... Gai.'

Anyways - the in the discussion of whats better, Byakugan or Sharingan.. It's pretty obvious the Sharingan wins hands down - Until Kishimoto gives us reason to believe otherwise, it's a complete annihilation of the Byakugan user in pretty quick time.


Nice deduction there- good sound reasoning.

[debs]

thats bullshit if jiraiya dies to these ppl. jiraiya is a g... as far as i'm concerned, these akatsuki ppl (minus kisame and itachi) are all filler characters. jiraiya shouldn't go out against anybody except the best of the best of the best.

if he does go, he better go out like the third.

[Robust]

Jiraya is too cool to die. Same with kakashi. TY!

Pikachu theory at its finest.

On an unrelated note, I was thinking about Naruto, and I don' tknow about you guys, but i wouldn't mind a 40-50 episode stretch of an explanation of how the village was started (first hokage), how it held in the wars, transitioning from one hokage to the next (first 4), of course the Great war, and random things i've noticed (i.e. how kiba's mom's dog has a patch on it). Shit like that interests me. Sometimes even moreso than the progression of the main story. There seems to be a lot left unsaid of the leaf village and the narutonian world. Another interesting part of the naruto world is how the summons can talk, how they know justsus, where they go after they're released, maybe they co-existed in the world, etc. Conclusion -> sharingan is getting boring.

[The Epidemic]

Byakugan>Sharingan:arazz:

i still like the Byakugan better....

[Power Man Fox]

On the sharingan vs taijutsu,

I think if anything is going to beat the sharingan it's gonna be ninjutsu.

[MagnusMadness]

drunken lee owns sharingan hands down. Completely unpredictable.

One bottle of sake and he is invincible.

[Kisame]

drunken lee owns sharingan hands down. Completely unpredictable.

One bottle of sake and he is invincible.

Completely unpredictable to those without doujutsu. the sharingan sees what lee is going to do before he even does it. You cant fake out the sharingan he will see the complete movements even his misdirections.

[maxx]

drunken lee owns sharingan hands down. Completely unpredictable.

One bottle of sake and he is invincible.

it really doesnt matter if your unpredictable.

i will keep saying sharingan>byakygan for the mere fact its simple evolution.

now if rock could open the gates+drunken master...nigga would be on some broken status.

[FOBio]

Lee schooled Sasuke early in the series.. although obviously it was a much weaker Sasuke.. (I still don't like the fact that the timeskip basically 'broke' him..) That single asskicking is why Sasuke increased his Taijutsu skills so much. He mimic'd Lee (thanks to Kakashi's help) in order to alleviate that shortcoming.



i only watch the anime, but i thought sasuke can't (actually) keep up with rock lee's movements. during the chuunin exam, sasuke was able to copy (correct me if i'm wrong) pre-gate opened rock lee. also, i think kakashi or somebody else said he can't keep the speed for long periods of time. this is comletely theory fighting, but wouldn't rock lee still be able to beat sasuke by either opening gates or making it an endurance match?

then again, sasuke probably figured out a way to counter taijutsu during the time skip and thus negating this theory fight. i guess what i'm saying is that it's not alleviating the shortcoming, but making it less of one.

[Kisame]

i only watch the anime, but i thought sasuke can't (actually) keep up with rock lee's movements. during the chuunin exam, sasuke was able to copy (correct me if i'm wrong) pre-gate opened rock lee. also, i think kakashi or somebody else said he can't keep the speed for long periods of time. this is comletely theory fighting, but wouldn't rock lee still be able to beat sasuke by either opening gates or making it an endurance match?

then again, sasuke probably figured out a way to counter taijutsu during the time skip and thus negating this theory fight. i guess what i'm saying is that it's not alleviating the shortcoming, but making it less of one.


No he copied the speed exactly weightless and Rock Lee says its only natural that you cant maintain that speed for long. Not that Rock lee can keep it for long either. He was making an observation based on his own experience.

[The Epidemic]

sasuke would just rape lee with a genjutsu...

[ShinAkumax]

No he copied the speed exactly weightless and Rock Lee says its only natural that you cant maintain that speed for long. Not that Rock lee can keep it for long either. He was making an observation based on his own experience.

I actually assumed that Lee could keep it up longer due to his extensive stamina training.

[maxx]

I actually assumed that Lee could keep it up longer due to his extensive stamina training.

thats what i thought the weights were for.

[Ferdinandz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSgP_GhZ2A

Christ
some of these new series are just down right disturbing.That right there is one of the reasons I haven't watched anything new since 04.

Ugh

[sonicspear64]

I'm pretty sure that Drunken Fist Lee could practically be invulnerable to the genjustu that the Sharingan possesses (a big maybe). Though he would catch Sasuke off guard (mostly because he has no idea that Lee can do Drunken Fist), but most likely, not Itachi.

The Sharingan is a good bloodline limit, but the Byakugan has it beat! Nearly 360-degree vision spanned across hundreds of meters, ability to view the chakra network, and most importantly..... SEE THROUGH VISION!!!. But, seriously Byakugan is like Google Maps Street View on crack!:rofl:

[maxx]

drunken style>byakugan...cause just cause you see it coming doesn't mean you can predict the movements. Drunken style is like the worst matchup for byakugan. No chakra to stop...his eye movement is everywhere so he can't even try to fuck with his head. He's unpredictable movements..plus since he's a natural drunken master i assume that means he's at the top of the heap in that style.

Ferdinandz: thats no worse than onegri twins

[sainthuey]

But, seriously Byakugan is like Google Maps Street View on crack!:rofl:

:rofl::rofl:

[ShinAkumax]

I miss inner Sakura.

[The Epidemic]

drunken style>byakugan...cause just cause you see it coming doesn't mean you can predict the movements. Drunken style is like the worst matchup for byakugan. No chakra to stop...his eye movement is everywhere so he can't even try to fuck with his head. He's unpredictable movements..plus since he's a natural drunken master i assume that means he's at the top of the heap in that style.

Ferdinandz: thats no worse than onegri twins

no...Kaiten would destroy that drunken shit.

[Ferdinandz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSgP_GhZ2A

Christ
some of these new series are just down right disturbing.That right there is one of the reasons I haven't watched anything new since 04.

Ugh

wait what the fuck, I thought this was the anime and manga thread, excuse me :rofl: you guys go on posting your theories, nothing to see here :rofl:

[fernando's nuts]

Sasuke uses chakra to move at that speed doesn't he? During his fight w/ Gaara he mentions it to himself iirc.

[Dem-Dem]

The shipuuden anime sucks no evolution in the story telling. It feels more drugout then DBZ. Oh and Drunken fist Lee owns. Emo sasuke has transformed into intraverted butt boy until someone stronger appears then it's back to emo sasuke. *sigh* just had to get that off my chest.

[Adam Warlock]

No chakra to stop...

Do you have any idea what this series is about?

[ReggieHadoken]

Wow. My man Jiraiya is already about to get peaced out? That was much quicker than I expected. One things for sure: no one is gonna take his death harder than Naruto. I want my boy to start bringing the beastings and NOW!! We all know Sasuke is more broken than the Hammer Bros. Suit, give the main character some time in the freaking light.

So we gonna see Itachi beat Sasuke like he owes him money again? Since, Itachi did say he got stronger, he may have to actually try this time.

And Hinata needs more pannel time.:annoy:

[catchafire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSgP_GhZ2A

Christ
some of these new series are just down right disturbing.That right there is one of the reasons I haven't watched anything new since 04.

Ugh

You can thank the anime/manga hardcore otakus for that... :rolleyes:

[MAGUS1234]

how is that shit OK? Like there should be some legal issues with shit like that >:o

[MESOPOTAMIA]

Maxx, please stick to being wrong at other threads =[

[Weeks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSgP_GhZ2A

Christ
some of these new series are just down right disturbing.That right there is one of the reasons I haven't watched anything new since 04.

Ugh

-watches vid-

...Great, I think we all just got put on some government watchlist

[Kisame]

Chris Hansen: Hey SRK im with NBC dateline. I need you guys to take a seat over there.

[Pimp Willy]

The worst part, is that the video recommended at the end of that one is...


The evo 2k4 trailer.

[maxx]

Maxx, please stick to being wrong at other threads =[

and what am i exactly being "wrong" at.

[SaiST]

I actually assumed that Lee could keep it up longer due to his extensive stamina training.
Safe assumption. In the long run, I imagine Lee could keep up that pace a bit longer than Sasuke could during the Chuunin Exam Main Matches... But Lee did start getting short of breath after landing his first clean hit on Gaara during the Preliminary Matches(in the manga, didn't show this in the anime)--took around the same time it took Sasuke.

That body speed takes a lot out of both of 'em.

Sasuke uses chakra to move at that speed doesn't he?
He didn't.

In Part 2, he makes very good use of Shunshin, which is another case.

During his fight w/ Gaara he mentions it to himself iirc.
He doesn't.

No chakra to stop...
Everybody has chakra. If Lee's Tenketsu are are struck, if Neji starts attackin' his insides, he's going to be hurtin' the same as anybody.

no...Kaiten would destroy that drunken shit.
Truth. It's all any Hyuuga would need to take care of Lee's Suiken.

[Gasaraki]

and what am i exactly being "wrong" at.

ALL life in Naruto has chakra, it's lifeforce. Lee simply cannot mold it for nin/genjutsu. If he had NO chakra, then opening the gates would do nothing for him since it just opens the floodgates for your chakra. In other words, Lee's worst matchup would be Neji because if he EVER gets his shit sealed, he can't even open the gates and he'd be absolutely fucked.

[SaiST]

Ohshi--spoiler pics... And an important name is revealed:

PIC 1 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_50349239rd3.jpg)|PIC 2 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_40700299mo2.jpg)|PIC 3 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_68316069wi8.jpg)|PIC 4 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_87085662gm8.jpg)|PIC 5 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_d9a52307dffr5.jpg)

In the second picture Tsunade is saying: " He's just like Uzumaki Kushina".
ぬるぽ
Nurupo
地雷やますます死亡フラグ
Jiraiya is getting closer to his death
綱手ゲロを吐く
Tsunade sighs (or maybe something else)
サスケｖｓイタチはサスケ先行の戦い
Sasuke vs Itachi, Sasuke starts the battle
イタチ「強くなったな・・・」
Itachi : You became stronger
で、逃げる
After that, he is going away
イタチ「一人でアジトに来い　そこで決着をつけさせてやる」
Itachi : Only us, let's finish this conclusion in another hideout.
雨の中、地雷や暁アジトに潜入成功
In the rain (or maybe the Rain country), Jiraiya sneaks in the akatsuki hideout successfully
ペイン気付いた所で終わり
Pein notice him
The end
I think it's hilarious that the the guy who provided this summary felt the need to mention a detail as meaningless as Tsunade burping over what could turn out to be the name of the Fourth Hokage.

lulz

[GC!?]

"ぬるぽ
Nurupo"

GA


Thanks, Sasuke! But our Itachi is in another hideout!

[SaiST]

Yeah, it was just a Kage Bunshin. Shit was kind of unnecessary, now when they really meet, it won't be as exciting.

3 more spoiler pics added to the above post.

[Power Man Fox]

Pein's face! (lol) Im worried for Jiraiya :sad:

[Robust]

Yeah, it was just a Kage Bunshin. Shit was kind of unnecessary, now when they really meet, it won't be as exciting.

3 more spoiler pics added to the above post.

nah, it will definitely be more exciting since sasuke just got baited LOL.

[Rooks4]

Some SERIOUS shit going on in this chapter... I've seen some spoiler pics and this was just posted over at Narutofan.com ....

From pictures.

Uzumaki Kushina is Naruto's mother. Tsunade claimed that naruto's Jutsu and personality is very similar to her.(from #2pic)

Naruto's father names is Namikaze(not sure?) Minato, and yes he was Konoha Yellow Flesh. Tsunade said naruto looks is very like him.

Itachi told Sasuke to meet him at Uchiha's hideout by himself, to finish their battle.

Source Link: http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=10091616&postcount=14

[Rekka1210]

Ohshi--spoiler pics... And an important name is revealed:

PIC 1 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_50349239rd3.jpg)|PIC 2 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_40700299mo2.jpg)|PIC 3 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_68316069wi8.jpg)|PIC 4 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_87085662gm8.jpg)|PIC 5 (http://sai.voiea.net/stuff/367_d9a52307dffr5.jpg)



I think it's hilarious that the the guy who provided this summary felt the need to mention a detail as meaningless as Tsunade burping over what could turn out to be the name of the Fourth Hokage.

lulz

I agree this chapter would've been better to introduce the leader, just look at pic 5 :tup:

[AlphaDragoon02]

If this is true spoilers, then holy hell. Naruto's dad AND his mom?! Never thought Kishi would touch on both in the same note. (NOTE: If these do turn out true I'm calling Naruto's mom to "conveniently" have reddish-brown hair...) :rofl:

And if Minato is Yondaime's name, that's cool. I actually think it fits him pretty well.

[catchafire]

What's the point of Jirayia sacrificing his life against the Akatsuki leader? Does he not have something else better to do?

[Kisame]

If this is true spoilers, then holy hell. Naruto's dad AND his mom?! Never thought Kishi would touch on both in the same note. (NOTE: If these do turn out true I'm calling Naruto's mom to "conveniently" have reddish-brown hair...) :rofl:

And if Minato is Yondaime's name, that's cool. I actually think it fits him pretty well.


Nah pretty sure Kushina = Yondaime. Bout time we get his name.


And the anime has redeemed itself for the moment. The fight was everything I imagined in the manga.

[Markudea]

Here's episode 26 (RAW):

- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tg45_naruto-shippuden-26-raw_events

I'll update the link later on.

[Rooks4]

Nah pretty sure Kushina = Yondaime. Bout time we get his name.


And the anime has redeemed itself for the moment. The fight was everything I imagined in the manga.

Im guessing Kushina is Kushin == The female woman that was given to ... Sousonn or whatever his name was (the guy who killed Orochi.) She was turned into a hair clip and worn.. Than after he killed Orochi, he turned her back into a woman and married her as his reward. It's part of the japanese mythology (as is most of Kishi's characters names, in some shape or form.) I'd be guessing it's a female based on that.

It sort of fits the storyline if you replace orochi for the Kyuubi, Sousonn for the 4th... Kushina becomes Naruto's mother.. It doesn't exactly fit (since the 4th was 'killed' during the seal of the Kyuubi) but i think it's close enough and sounds like something Kishi would do.

The spoilers i've seen also indicate that they are definitly talking about a female when Kushina is used.. But I suppose until we get a full text of the chapter, anything is possible.

[4neqs]

Would it possible to check the Fourth's name waaaaay back when Jiraiya was introduced? If I remember correctly, the latter whipped out the contract that was used to summon 'bunta. Could it be possible that the Fourth's name was written on it too? He was, after all, riding 'bunta in the very first episode.

On second thought, if his name's there, it might be obscured, or unreadable, or such (in that particular scene).

[UnCauzi]

Wow, watched a naruto episode finally since the end of part one and I didn't shut it off
2 minutes in.

[BEWD]

Would it possible to check the Fourth's name waaaaay back when Jiraiya was introduced? If I remember correctly, the latter whipped out the contract that was used to summon 'bunta. Could it be possible that the Fourth's name was written on it too? He was, after all, riding 'bunta in the very first episode.

On second thought, if his name's there, it might be obscured, or unreadable, or such (in that particular scene).

I think the consensus for the name on the scroll(as close as they could get) was "Arashi" which doesn't gel with this new chapter.

[sonicspear64]

Rooks4: I believe the name was Susanoo. And it makes sense that he's the brother of Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi considering that those are the MS techniques.

[Rooks4]

Susanoo is right - I couldn't remember. Although how does it fit with Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi? The 4th wasn't an Uchiha....

Oh god.. now THAT would be some shit.. Naruto turns out to be an Uchiha and gets MS X_X .. Kishi wouldn't do that to us, would he? that'd be some stupid shit :P

[sonicspear64]

Heh.... I was just talking about the reference Kishi made. Not anything that had to do with the actual story.

[nasir]

If Jiraiya dies, you guys are forgetting about who will become the most beastly avenger in the series..

no, not naruto or sasuke.

But Kakashi will start wrecking some serious shit for the death of the author of his beloved icha icha books and the fact there will be no new ones.

...believe it.

[scentless]

Pein can't kill Jiraya because he's Naruto from teh future...... yeah ...well.....

[maxx]

ALL life in Naruto has chakra, it's lifeforce. Lee simply cannot mold it for nin/genjutsu. If he had NO chakra, then opening the gates would do nothing for him since it just opens the floodgates for your chakra. In other words, Lee's worst matchup would be Neji because if he EVER gets his shit sealed, he can't even open the gates and he'd be absolutely fucked.

i feel his drunken master style would be well enough to help him out. plus can we really believe he'd open the gates on his one fellow village member?

[str[e]ak]

If Jiraiya dies, you guys are forgetting about who will become the most beastly avenger in the series..

no, not naruto or sasuke.

But Kakashi will start wrecking some serious shit for the death of the author of his beloved icha icha books and the fact there will be no new ones.

...believe it.

:rofl: that's the truth.

[Adam Warlock]

i feel his drunken master style would be well enough to help him out. plus can we really believe he'd open the gates on his one fellow village member?

What the? OF COURSE HE WOULD OPEN THE GATES. He was saving the gates specifically FOR Neiji. He even says it in the Chuunin exam. You need to get a new set of Manga on Tape. I refuse to believe you're reading this yourself.

[ShinAkumax]

Here's episode 26 (RAW):

- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2tg45_naruto-shippuden-26-raw_events

I'll update the link later on.

Thank you.

[maxx]

What the? OF COURSE HE WOULD OPEN THE GATES. He was saving the gates specifically FOR Neiji. He even says it in the Chuunin exam. You need to get a new set of Manga on Tape. I refuse to believe you're reading this yourself.

i meant outside the exams i forgot to type that part.

[str[e]ak]

well, doesn't rock's front lotus (the weaker one) also use the gates? before the chunin exams, he was about to use it on sasuke before gai interrupted.

[sonicspear64]

Yeah it only requires the first gate to be opened (ironically called the Open Gate).

[maxx]

well then i have been proven wrong. rock will kill any nigga in site apparently.

[Ferdinandz]

Looks like they really upped the quality for this episode, heres to hoping they keep it up.

[The Chief]

Fine. I'm gonna give in and start reading the Manga. Where do I go?

[Kisame]

Fine. I'm gonna give in and start reading the Manga. Where do I go?

the beginning.

[maxx]

Fine. I'm gonna give in and start reading the Manga. Where do I go?

http://narutofan.com/index.php/content-multimedia,manga%20volume%201%20to%205

[4neqs]

There's quite a few places to start.

www.onemanga.com
http://manga.downloadanime.org/
http://groups.msn.com/narutomangareturns

[The Chief]

Got it. Thanks. I didn't want to skip ahead of the anime but since it's basically the same, I'll go ahead and jump in.

[ShinAkumax]

the beginning.

Agreed.

[Rooks4]

Reasons why Jiraiya is a dead man:
This chapter gives areally negative vibe about his future.
He's confronting BH.. people speculate this is the girl in the picture with Jiriya and his team of 3 (which includes the 4th).

Think about the manga.. The 3rd was killed by his student (Oro)... Oro was killed by his student (Sasuke). Jiraiya will be killed by... his student?

Im sure Sakura will never come knocking on Tsunade's door, but the manga HAS set precedent for this type of thing.. Looks like his book is closed! :P

[debs]

anybody have that pic of jiraiya and his students?

[ShinAkumax]

Reasons why Jiraiya is a dead man:
This chapter gives areally negative vibe about his future.
He's confronting BH.. people speculate this is the girl in the picture with Jiriya and his team of 3 (which includes the 4th).

Think about the manga.. The 3rd was killed by his student (Oro)... Oro was killed by his student (Sasuke). Jiraiya will be killed by... his student?

Im sure Sakura will never come knocking on Tsunade's door, but the manga HAS set precedent for this type of thing.. Looks like his book is closed! :P

To be fair, Oro had a lot of "students" that want him dead.

[catchafire]

Got it. Thanks. I didn't want to skip ahead of the anime but since it's basically the same, I'll go ahead and jump in.

Go to stoptazmo.com

[ShinAkumax]

So people still hating on tazmo?

[cain[e]]

Looks like they really upped the quality for this episode, heres to hoping they keep it up.

I dunno man, your hope is in vain I feel. It seemed that alot of the time when a ajor plot point was happening that shit was top teir, but when thing began to settle down it was like loony toons shit again.

[sonicspear64]

anybody have that pic of jiraiya and his students?

Wiki son. :nunchuck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiraiya_%28Naruto%29

[debs]

^thx. jiraiya better not die.

[catchafire]

So people still hating on tazmo?

I'm not "hating" on tazmo; I just think that site (stoptazmo.com) is great for getting manga and no BS.

Tazmo does have shady practices. How can you charge people for manga and anime that is subbed? I can understand asking for donations to maintain the site, but this fool is just lining his pockets.

[Kisame]

I'm not "hating" on tazmo; I just think that site (stoptazmo.com) is great for getting manga and no BS.

Tazmo does have shady practices. How can you charge people for manga and anime that is subbed? I can understand asking for donations to maintain the site, but this fool is just lining his pockets.

not to mention the way he is cheating people who are only casual internet users and have no idea how to cancel paypal accounts.

[maxx]

I'm not "hating" on tazmo; I just think that site (stoptazmo.com) is great for getting manga and no BS.

Tazmo does have shady practices. How can you charge people for manga and anime that is subbed? I can understand asking for donations to maintain the site, but this fool is just lining his pockets.

you've never gone to a comic convention before have you. before i knew wat irc was thats how i got anime i bought subbed tapes...then i learned the true potential of the internet.

[catchafire]

not to mention the way he is cheating people who are only casual internet users and have no idea how to cancel paypal accounts.

No shit, I had to punch and kick my way out of a ONE month prescrition. The only reason I got it was because I had an exteremely hard time finding an anime I was looking for. I cancelled my account, and then found out that I was STILL being charged. Not cool.

[ShinAkumax]

Oh yeah? That's pretty shitty. I meant no insult. I only noted it because this has been going on FOREVAH. I just hadn't heard anything since like, way before the time jump.

[Power Man Fox]

Great new episode, makes kankuro's(sp?) skills look like a Joke.

[Kisame]

yeah you spelled kankuro right. what I really wanted to see is the first puppet master MonZaemon action. The one who created Chiyo's puppets. I know he would be godly.

[Thongboy Bebop]

Monzaemon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikamatsu_Monzaemon)

N

[sonicspear64]

Monzaemon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikamatsu_Monzaemon)

N

Yeah I was about to say "Montezuma? The only times I've heard his name is when Naruto complains about having diarrhea (specifically Montezuma's Revenge) just about every episode!" :rofl:

[Kisame]

yawn I knew it was Chikamatsu though <.<

Im allowed one japanese legend screw up a year.

[ben]

puppet no jutsu (http://home.comcast.net/~bca360/random/puppets.gif)

FUCK YEAH.

[ReggieHadoken]

If we are indeed going to get the lowdown on Naruto's parents in this coming chapter, all I can say its IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!

Oh and when Naruto finally does become Hokage, at his induction ceremony, he should drop his pants and moon everyone who said he'd never be Hokage. "Kiss this, fags! I'm runin' this place now, fools!"

[maxx]

If we are indeed going to get the lowdown on Naruto's parents in this coming chapter, all I can say its IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!

Oh and when Naruto finally does become Hokage, at his induction ceremony, he should drop his pants and moon everyone who said he'd never be Hokage. "Kiss this, fags! I'm runin' this place now, fools!"

wait wut? where did his parents discussion come up. i missed sumtin.

[ben]

translations for this week's chapter show that tsunade might have dropped the 4th's real name, reviving the old "who's naruto's daddy" discussions. its in the past couple pages, or just wait for the chapter.

[maxx]

translations for this week's chapter show that tsunade might have dropped the 4th's real name, reviving the old "who's naruto's daddy" discussions. its in the past couple pages, or just wait for the chapter.

oh shit...cant wait for this issue to drop. Ya like i mentioned before..kishimoto likes to play with the way he words things such as "the fourths legacy."

[4neqs]

If only this were done during the Madara speech, or the fight with Sasuke.

http://corndog4444.deviantart.com/art/Tobi-WHOS-THE-GOOD-BOY-NOW-48048439

[Ki Shima]

thought the fourths name was yondaime?

[The Damned]

thought the fourths name was yondaime?

No, that is not his name. The "-daime" things are alternative titles for the Hokage and probably all (officially) -Kage level ninja.

"Yon" is one of the ways to say "four" in Japanese, "shi" being the other that I know; "shi" stands for a lot of other things though, including major things like "death", so "yon" is probably easier in this case.

This makes me wonder if Tsunade has ever been referred to as "Godaime". Has she?

[AlphaDragoon02]

thought the fourths name was yondaime?

Yondaime is his title, it means "the Fourth", as in the Fourth Hokage.

Minato Namikaze (or in the Japanese last name first method Namikaze Minato) is, seemingly, his actual name. Of course, this is dependant on the spoilers being true...but it's getting mighty close to Friday for them to be fake, and with pics no less.

It'd be awesome if this was true. Finally some insight on where Naruto came from. And also a shot that Kushina is still alive, so Naruto could actually get to meet her.

This makes me wonder if Tsunade has ever been referred to as "Godaime". Has she?

Yeah, by the nameless peon guys who she orders around in Konoha. :rofl:

[Kisame]

what this does prove is that Yondaime is a player as Naruto doesnt even have his last name. Boy hit that and quit that.

[AlphaDragoon02]

what this does prove is that Yondaime is a player as Naruto doesnt even have his last name. Boy hit that and quit that.

Or that the Uzumaki clan is a name that's known in the shinobi world (if it is, they're probably not originally from Konoha) and they wanted Naruto's name to reflect that. Or even that they didn't want anyone to know that he was Yondaime's kid for some reason.

There's a lot of reasons he could have his mother's last name.

[bbq sauce]

what this does prove is that Yondaime is a player as Naruto doesnt even have his last name. Boy hit that and quit that.

lol.. and he didn't die sealing the fox in him, he's just duckin his child support.

[Kisame]

lol.. and he didn't die sealing the fox in him, he's just duckin his child support.

exactly. All those times Yondaime appeared in those anime scenes wasnt just filler he was actually there just chillin.

[X-Sapphire]

Latest episode was pretty good. There hasn't been an episode like that in a while. Sakura gets her respect from me after that performance. Now it's time to go back to bashing on ten-ten. :rofl:
There's only so much weapons can do. I don't remember if I've ever seen her do some useful ninjutsu/genjutsu or even high level taijutsu with her weapons. Even Ino at least has a useful technique.

[The Damned]

Even Ino at least has a useful technique.

That's because Ino at least has an on-screen parent, who, even if he wanted a boy, still cares for her.

I think even Tenten's parents don't like her. Hell, they probably even faked their own deaths to get away from her useless ass.

[FOBio]

i don't know if it's been mentioned, but there's an ep 26 subbed version online now. www.veoh.com

[sealhunta]

i am hoping narutos mom is from a different village than the leaf

[BIGWORM]

Good lord, did we really go this far into the series not knowing Yondaime's real name?

I'm sorta shocked, but not at the same time. Makes sense?

Didn't think so.

*edit* ep 26 is staying on the hard drive!!! What animation team is that?

[Adam Warlock]

That's because Ino at least has an on-screen parent, who, even if he wanted a boy, still cares for her.

I think even Tenten's parents don't like her. Hell, they probably even faked their own deaths to get away from her useless ass.

Faked? That kind of uselessness makes real suicide worth it.

[Mr_Punkus]

Though the build up for these last few ep's has been dragged out to DBZ-style proportions, this episode was actually quite good. They made the battle look fairly epic-level (but Sasori just standing and grinning while 110 puppets rage around him is kinda lame). Pity this level of animation could not be applied to the "clone fights" that team gai are currently experiencing (bet you forgot about them huh? :rofl:).

[ReggieHadoken]

i am hoping narutos mom is from a different village than the leaf

This was somethind I'd thought about for sometime. It would be a good explanation as for why Naruto didn't even know what his mother's name was.

And I can't believe we've gone 360+ chapters without knowing The Fourth's real name. Jiraya knows it and Kakashi has to know it as well. Man, I can't wait to read this upcoming chapter!

[AlphaDragoon02]

Cleaned pics over at NF. One of em's got Jiraiya pulling a Sasuke by popping out of his frog summon's mouth.

[catchafire]

Raw is out. Too bad I can't log onto the site at work...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YH84GR28
http://rapidshare.com/files/51010476/Naruto_367.rar
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qyf32e

[catchafire]

No discussion people? What's going on here? Boo...

[ShinAkumax]

I'm waiting for the translations...

[debs]

jiraiya and tsunada had a long ass conversation...was she blushing during the convo?
no comment on the itachi vs. sasuke thing. the whole kage bunshin/fake ass fight is played...nobody cares about it anymore. the real story is who are naruto's parents and are they in akatsuki? is pein NOT related to naruto and is naruto's dad the fourth? is pein the fourth and naruto's dad? is the female naruto's mom?

did she abandon him on purpose? did THEY abandon him on purpose? what happened to the fourth? etc. etc. oh and jiraiya has yet another dope ass jutsu.

[debs]

hmm...from manga helpers:



in this chapter,

jiraiya and tsunade reveals that naruto's dad is indeed the Fourth. They talk about how the Fourth is a rare breed and Naruto is very different from him. Then they go on to talk about the similarities between Naruto and Naruto's mom. Supposedly Naruto and Naruto's maternal grandfather look alike.

So the secret is revealed! The Fourth indeed sealed the Nine Tails into his own son. Hope that helped

I don't see anything like this in the Japanese transcript. The closest thing is where Jiraiya says that he feels like he's looking at a grandson when he looks at Naruto's face.

By DarkLordOfKichiku @ NF:

Summary of the two pages above, more or less:

Jiraiya & Tsuande is actually discussing what'd happen if Jiraiya died, sorta! . Further foreshadowing of Jiraiya's death, I suppose <_<. They also discuss the possibility of making someone/some hokage candidate (Tsunade's death foreshadowed, anyone? <_<). But Jiraiya says that "Right now, there are no one besides you in the village who could be Hokage"...

well, my french isn´t best...hehe...

Tsunade: If you also ...?you would die… I…
Jiji: You will cry? I am very content
Jiji: But I don`t think
Tsu 4: Idiot
Jiji: Then let us bet
Jiji: You bet that I will die
Jiji: You always lose your bets
do not arrive has to read
Image 6 (Jiji): In exchange if I survive, Arrive not at reading

the other page:


Tsu: Not what to praise itself
Tsu: Without woman, you could not even any more make you reject
Jiji: Ha ha… Yes it is true
Tsu: If something arrives, you send a message
I will arrive of speed
Jiji: It is impossible, you should not leave the village, the village functions thanks to you
Tsu: there are many Candidates for Hokage
jiji: If the chief of the exchange without stop, the village will be unstable
jiji: There is nobody of better than you at the village

Quick Translation:
Note: I couldnt translate some names and pronouns because it was in Chinese.

page 2
I: you grew

S: you didnt change at all, even those cold chilling eyes are the same

I: You're not the same as before. Last time, you charged right at...

S: Ooo

page 3:

I:!

S: You dont understand me at all....
(charges with chidori

page 5:

S: You know how much hatrid is in my heart. That is why I have gotten stronger. You dont understand me at all.

page 6:

J: Your alcohol limit is even worse then mine. Do you need some rest?

T: There's a strong ninja in Akatsuki named Pein. I dont even know exactly how strong they are. Yet you insist on going into the lion's den.

J: Well, its about time I get going

T: You need to come back alive

Page 7:
J:.....

T:If you die...

J:What? Will you cry for me? But you wont be as sad as when xxxx died. haha. (i dont know the translation to the chinese name)

T:Jerk!

J:Well, why dont you use your gambling skills and bet that I'll die. Because you lose everytime.

J:But if I come back alive...

T:What...

Page 8:
J, just kidding!

T:?

J:Men will get stronger when they lose someone they love. You're considered a real man when you can turn that into a joke. You need to be able to see losing someone as nothing.

T:Is being stubborn/strong a man's responsibility?

J:Almost, but a man doesnt really pursue happiness

T:.....


Page 9:
T: why are you acting so cool. if no girl wants you then how can you talk about losing someone you love?

J:haha, thats right...

T:If something happens, send a frog over, i'll come over immediately

Jont worry so much. You cant leave this village. The village depends on you.

T:If you need backup, we'll send as much as possible

J:Changing hokage often reflects on the village's instablity. As of now, there's no suitable replacement for Hokage.

Page 10:
T: There's Kakashi and then there'll be Naruto

J:Not kakashi, you already gave your necklace to Naruto. But he's not mature enough yet...

T:Well, you also put a lot of faith into him. You even taught him the Rasengan.

J:Well, now that you talk about it... this brings up my memories of Minato(real name of the Fourth)

T:Minato? they do share a lot of similarities...

Page 11:
J: No. Minato was a ninja genius. ONe that can only be seen every generation. That kind of genius does not come that often

J:Even though he was a gentle man, he was strong and powerful. In the blink of an eye, he became the Fourth Hokage.

J:I dont know what it feels like to be a father, but if i were his dad, i would feel very proud.

T:well now that you say it, Naruto is not like him at all...

T:I'll say that he is more like his mom...

J:Yes, his mother was a ninja from the Rain/River? (sorry, no familiar with chinese translations)

page 12:
T: ohh... his ninja skills and personality is exactly the same as Kushina(naruto's mother)

J: OH! its that name. Kushina was almost very brash and aggressive, just like a man

T:But when Kushina grew up, she turned into a beauty. Naruto's face is just like her father's.

J:You can see the similarities between naruto and his maternal grandfather's. You can tell that he was his grandson.


page 13:
J: well, i'm off.

J: oh right, i'll give you one last piece of advice

J: be careful of Root.

T: I know...

J: well, i'm off, bye.

page 14:
I: You became stronger

S:!

I: Come to the headquarters by yourself

I: We'll sort everything out there.

Page 16:
J: Infiltration complete. Easier than I thought

Page 17:
J: Well, where is it

P:!

BH:What?

P:I sense someone in my rain. From his chakra, I can tell that he's someone strong



...interesting.

[The Chief]

The more I read the manga, the more I feel like I should just wait for the anime!

I will just say I feel the anime is 1.7 million times more dramtic that the mangas. [/imo]

Feels like I 'm reading spoilers... but not.

[debs]

so wow. ok, NOW its time to discuss some stuff.

naruto's parents.
future hokage candidates.
root was brought up again...after all this time.

[Power Man Fox]

So every time itachi and kisame were caught in the rain, that was pein spying on them?
Naruto's family originally from the rain village?
Interesting chapeter!!

[Stabby]

At least someone has their priorities straight.

Kakashi should have been hokage in the first place.

[debs]

i thought it was dope how the only two ppl in the village that are in the running for being the future hokage are kakashi and naruto...

i think jiraiya was basically saying that he loves tsunade and i think tsunade knows this.

i think root will be trouble after this arc. they got brought up again for a reason...

i wish we could know a lil more about the relationship between jiraiya and naruto (student/sensei) because i DO think that jiraiya will probably die pretty soon...tsunade will probably end up dying in the future too...i think we may see naruto being hokage while the manga still goes on despite what some ppl speculated awhile back (that the manga would end with naruto either not achieving his goal of becoming hokage OR that naruto would be hokage and the manga would end as soon as he achieved his goal).

i think pein is probably not the fourth but i think he could be a relative of naruto...and the woman in akatsuki might be naruto's mother. obviously the fourth is naruto's father and the kushina girl is his mother (and i guess the BH akatsuki member). his grandfather got brought up for a reason so i guess we'll find out who that is later.

i wonder if naruto will take a trek to the rain village one day to find out more about his background.

lastly, i think that jiraiya did have naruto's mother as a student because he talks about how she was when she was young and how she was when she was older...but she's from another village. so she must have been accepted into the leaf village and i guess made it as a ninja there before whatever happened happened.

[ShinAkumax]

At least someone has their priorities straight.

Kakashi should have been hokage in the first place.


He had too many issues.

[Weeks]

Kakashi doesn't strike me as the Hokage type. But at least someone's respectin' ol' one eye

[Havoc]

Hold on.... who is Root?

I don't remember that at all..

[Tone!]

Hold on.... who is Root?

I don't remember that at all..

Danzou and Sai's side operation. Like an alternate part of ANBU.

[MagnusMadness]

I have to admit...shippuuden 26 kicked alot of ass. Good animation, moved along quickly. I doubt they'll keep the pace up however.



Now about the latest chapter...

WTF.

"the 4th is naruto's father"

"yeah but he's nothing like him"

"tru, that guy was SMART"



......



Whatever. Naruto looks JUST like his dad. (who looks JUST like cloud from FF7)

[Cowboyday]

If ALL the sannin get wiped out, damn...

I don't see anyone left who is a candidate for hokage. Kakashi seems to be more of a loner type, and we haven't seen anyone else throwing down that kind of power either. I'm like five chapters behind anyway, been keeping up mostly due to this thread, heh.

[Sacr3D]

I think the manga is near its end.

[Havoc]

Yeah... honestly... what comes after this?

[ShinAkumax]

I think the manga is near its end.

Hopefully not.

[Kisame]

Yondaime hit someone from a whole nother village and then used her kid as a storage container. Really was a playa.

Now what Happened to Kushina. Did she just die after having naruto? Or did Yondaime actually use the sealing justu Chiyo used and then faked his death.

hmmm

[debs]

root, civil war, kabuto, naruto becoming hokage, the whole uchiha thing, hebi, what really happened to orochimaru, etc. etc. there's still more to go. lee hasn't even went through all the gates yet, nobody hooked up romantically, naruto hasn't gone nine tails. and you guys are already saying its gonna end?

[ReggieHadoken]

Screw Sasuke and his revenge. This chapter is all about Naruto's parentage!! So The Fourth, or Minato, is Naruto's daddy. Tsunade and Jiraya knew and they never told Naruto? If it were me, I'd be peeved, but somehow, I doubt Naruto will be. Pretty sure, Kakashi knew as well. Well after suspecting for years now (or just flat out calling it) it sure is nice to have Kishi finally come out and say it. Oh snap! When does Naruto start using Instant Transmission?! Cuz if daddy could do it, Naruto should be able to do it! Sounds like Naruto's mom was quite the hottie and he took after her in personality and jutsus. I just wonder, when is Naruto going to find all of this out? I mean, growing up without parents, he's had to wonder who is mother and father were and giving him that info would only do a wealth of good for his soul. Man, freaking sweet chapter!!

And I must be out of the loop. Where did all the TenTen hate come from? :rofl:

[Ferdinandz]

root, civil war, kabuto, naruto becoming hokage, the whole uchiha thing, hebi, what really happened to orochimaru, etc. etc. there's still more to go. lee hasn't even went through all the gates yet, nobody hooked up romantically, naruto hasn't gone nine tails. and you guys are already saying its gonna end?

Yeah I think naruto has long ways to go, just like one piece.

and holy shit jiraya is really going to die, he's going to fight pein..

[Sacr3D]

root, civil war, kabuto, naruto becoming hokage, the whole uchiha thing, hebi, what really happened to orochimaru, etc. etc. there's still more to go. lee hasn't even went through all the gates yet, nobody hooked up romantically, naruto hasn't gone nine tails. and you guys are already saying its gonna end?

Romance? Come on... If Naruto gets romance then One Piece will too.

[debs]

yeah, romance...kishi doesn't hint at anything for nothing. i'm 100% sure that there's a reason why hinata acts the way she does about naruto, i'm 100% sure we're going to find out about that, about whats going to happen between sasuke and sakura if anything at all, between the g that is known as shikamaru and temari and whats between tsunade and jiraiya.

[catchafire]

Damn good episode... Wow, it's been an extremely long time since i've enjoyed both the Manga AND Anime together...

Wow.

[Bowza]

If the root does start a civil war, it'd be kinda crazy if we find out that some konoha members we thought were cool all a long(like the rookie 9 + team gai), go onto root's side. Or maybe team hebi will join with them, who knows.

[Snowman]

Damn good episode... Wow, it's been an extremely long time since i've enjoyed both the Manga AND Anime together...

Wow.
Indeed. The soundtrack is especially hawt!

:( to Jiraiya, he's definately on his way out. At least he'll be going out with a bang (Tobi will do it, calling it now!)

[Ferdinandz]

Wtf is root what did Jiraiya mean by it? did I miss something :o

[Dj-DarK]

Wtf is root what did Jiraiya mean by it? did I miss something :o

Danzo/Sai

[EVARGNUG]

Jiraiya is gonna need to pull off some hot shit. I expect a good fight between him and Pein as the two previous Hokage level fights have delivered.

[ReggieHadoken]

Why was this chapter called "Itachi and Sasuke"? Shoulda been called something else, IMO.

Jiraiya... sounds like he is indeed going to be going out. If he does, we better get to see what he can do. I mean, REALLY see what he can do. We've never seen the full extent of his abilities.

More on Naruto's parents... Years ago, when I saw a pic on the net of The Fourth, I thought, "Naruto looks just like him." And I thought, why seal the demon fox in anyone but his own kid? There could have been tons of other newborns that lost their parents (how many shinobi's dropped like flies fighting Kyuubi?) Naruto's mom comes from another village and he has his mother's last name. I'm guessing Minato and Kushina weren't married, but in love. How far is the Rain village from the Leaf? Did Minato use his teleport skills to port over there, get his kid and bring him back to seal the demon in him? If so, that would mean Naruto isn't originally from Konoha, which was a theory I had for a while as to why we knew jack about his parents un until now. Good chapter, I never thought we'd get the low down on Naruto's mother and father in one chapter. Good job, Kishi, now shed even more light on this subject!!

[AlphaDragoon02]

I'm really, REALLY starting to think that Karin's gonna be Naruto's sister/cousin now. They went through the trouble of expressly pointing out the red hair and the attitude...which Karin just so happens to have both of.

It would really make sense if that were true and she and Sasuke DID get together...since we all know they're GAR for each other so a female Naruto would be the next best thing. :rofl:

Also, Naruto as Minato's son = bad as hell. After revealing that his parents are two of the baddest mofos around they're gonna have to step it up with Naruto's fighting ability. The Yusuke-style "struggle and win at the last second" shit WILL NOT FLY anymore. He's gonna have to rock the hell out of at least one opponent (as in, a Kakuzu level ownage without the screwup in the middle) before this thing's over.

[Ferdinandz]

Karin has red hair?

news to me.

and if she is his sister damn son...the girl he likes is obsessed with sasuke and so is his sister.

Poor naruto

[Rodimus]

I am speechless. I have not one complaint with 367.

It was like seeing a trailer for a hot movie.

Naruto backstory=awesome what we knew and presented flawlessly. We got info on both his parents what?!!

Jiraiya=finally i get something to show this dude full skill to me. He might die but i know Jiraiya will represent i can just feel it. If Pein takes him out then Kakashi Naruto combo will take out Pein.

Uchiha encounter=Awesome. "Meet me at the Uchiha Hideout to finish this shit!"=awesome. This fight is gonna be sweet also.

367=awesome.
be'z

Oh yea, Jiraiya dont f^ck with my Rain..lol.

[4neqs]

Well at least the weather control rumors are true.

He's going to qcb+PP some poor old sannin ass.

[Markudea]

I'm a bit upset since both of my favorite characters (Itachi and Jiraiya) may be seeing their end soon. I like how they finally mentioned the Yondaime Hokage's name and Naruto's mother. Now that I know Naruto's mother is from the former Whirlpool Country, the term "Shippuden", Naruto's name and the red swirl design on the back of his uniform makes more sense to me. Also, the episode was great too (Kankurou really does pale in comparison to Chiyo and Sasori). I can't wait until next week.

[Kisame]

naruto is ending soon anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves


Soon is about 1 or 2 years though so we still got a good heap of chapters but it doesnt have anywhere near the life in it left that one piece has.

Everything is wrapping up now. No orochimaru isnt making some miraculous come back he got sharinganowned.

We know who the third MS user is. Itachi and Sasuke are about to have their final battle and reveal the secrets of the Uchiha. We finally get confirmation On Naruto's mom.

jiraiya is going to have his final going all out battle. Pein is goign to show why he is the akatsuki leader giving naruto a reason to fight. There really isnt much left.

And pfft at romance in naruto.

[AlphaDragoon02]

Karin has red hair?

news to me.

and if she is his sister damn son...the girl he likes is obsessed with sasuke and so is his sister.

Poor naruto

Yeah, Karin's hair is actually quite red in Kishi's official colorings of Team Hebi.

[Bowza]

Everything is wrapping up now. No orochimaru isnt making some miraculous come back he got sharinganowned.


.

Then there'd be no point in that kabuchimaru thing going on

[sainthuey]

dope chapter

but naruto isn't ending anytime soon, maybe 2 years i predict at soonest, but even that is what at least 100 or so more chapters? how many chapters was DBZ anyone know?? just for comparison:sweat:

[TornadoFlame]

Great stuff. I think everyone knew but exposing his mother like that too is awesome. I think I'd cry if Jaraiya got offed :sad:. That would only leave one Saanin and nobody better put their hands on Tsunade. Overwhemingly good chapter.

[ReggieHadoken]

how many chapters was DBZ anyone know?? just for comparison:sweat:

Including from the start of Dragon Ball, over 500. But in our English VIZ SJ versions, over 300.

I must have missed that part about Naruto's mom being a former ninja from the River/Rain village. Man, this chapter really made my day. Revolation about Naruto's parents still has me stoked. Is his mom still alive? They didn't say she was dead but they didn't say she was alive either. Maybe the idententities of Naruto's parents isn't common knowledge in Konoha. I wonder why that info was kept from him. Still can't believe it took 40 volumes of Naruto to get The Fourth's name out. This chapter answered some questions but created more at the same time. Why does Naruto have his mother's last name?

[4neqs]

And I must be out of the loop. Where did all the TenTen hate come from? :rofl:

It's been there ever since the animated version of the Chuunins, where Temari parried all her shit and beat her.

Tenten should have the potential to be like MvC2 Spiral, but ended up as Roll.

[MuD]

What's the point of Jirayia sacrificing his life against the Akatsuki leader? Does he not have something else better to do?

Not really.

He taught Naruto the rasengan, has no Orochimaru to keep tabs on... basically, he USED to be this really cool ninja, now he's Piccolo.

So he gets in, sees some shit, gets caught, fights a lil bit, escapes with a lil life left, and reveals how to deal with them. Works for me...

[catchafire]

Note the difference how Naruto and Sasuke deal with Itachi's bunshins...

[GreyFoxx]

Wow manga and ep really impressed...greatly pleased.

[Sacr3D]

Note the difference how Naruto and Sasuke deal with Itachi's bunshins...

Sasuke goes all out and Naruto doesn't ?

[Gasaraki]

Wow, what an incredibly important chapter, a lot of information is finally given to us. Great stuff for once.

[capcomANDsnk]

i hope jiraiya's death is as meaningful to naruto as asuma's was to shikamaru. frickin naruto needs to grow the fuck up and catch up to sasuke. it should be a convenient way for naruto to power up and mature.

and yay for the truth bout itachi killing his clan coming up.

but seriously, why keep naruto in the dark bout who his parents were?

[Sacr3D]

If Jiraya dies... no one will win.

[Torn Apart]

what the hell happened to Zetsu? We ever gunna see him again?

[Mickey D']

I'm really, REALLY starting to think that Karin's gonna be Naruto's sister/cousin now. They went through the trouble of expressly pointing out the red hair and the attitude...which Karin just so happens to have both of.

Yeah, that seems like a possible situation. However, I think that they are truly going as far as to show Pein as a relation to Naruto. It's starting to make sense now that we've seen Pein having the Auburn colored hair as well as the fact towards the uncanny look like Naruto. And if that doesn't change minds (which I'm sure it didn't), then look at the astounding head band that Pein wears. The village of rain. I'm sure that it can be assume that this "former" village of the whirlpool has some sort of connection towards the hidden village of rain.

I'm gonna go on a whim to say that Pein is going to have relation to Pein rather than Karin.

Jiraya is definitely done. Before he goes out, he'll explain to Naruto about his herritage.

All in all, shit is gonna roll down hill VERY fast in the Naruto world. Expect in the next month or two to see some epic chapters.

EDIT: Just thought about how Tsunade said that Kakashi would be a great candidate for hokage. Now didn't Kakashi say that Naruto had surpassed him? Interesting. I know that Tsunade means this through experience, however Konoha is gonna have to man up...they don't have very strong shinobi right now...Root is gonna be taking over soon...

[Infernoman]

don't post much in this thread but have been keeping up wit hit...mny thoughts on this would be Pein probably being an uncle of Naruto? (heh uncles are always evil) so I see it could be possible. as for Jiriya dying...sadly it will happen...but should Tsunade also go...I do see her telling (whether Jiriya is there with her or is already dead) saying she does love him...or show some caring feelings for him. and as for Naruto, I do expect for a line like this for naruto's final battle:

Pein (maybe?) - who do you think you are?

I am Naruto Uzumaki! THE 6TH HOKAGE!!!

[Markudea]

but seriously, why keep naruto in the dark bout who his parents were?

Here's my reasons on why they kept Naruto's lineage hidden from himself and almost everyone else:

- If Naruto know that the Yondaime Hokage was his father, that'll be an even more nuisence to the Konoha's present Hokage as he'll have a big head about things and rush himself into danger.

- Since Minato Namikaze took out many ninjas from other countries in his lifetime, their relatives could want to get revenge on him by attempting to kill his son. Naruto would then have to worry about more people than the Akatsuki looking for him in the future, putting him into more danger.

- Everyone in the village will be highly praising Naruto so much since he's the Yondaime's son that he'll have to fill his father's shoes, live up to the people's expectations and not be a disappointment at the least (putting more weight on his shoulders).


I'm sure that Kishi will state the reasons for keeping Naruto's family a secret, in the future.

[Ferdinandz]

i hope jiraiya's death is as meaningful to naruto as asuma's was to shikamaru. frickin naruto needs to grow the fuck up and catch up to sasuke. it should be a convenient way for naruto to power up and mature.

Tell me about it, that was like what? the third time naruto got owned by one of itachi's clones? and sasuke killed the clone with no problem.

[MagnusMadness]

When you guys are saying he got owned by a bunshin...to what times are you referring?

In the first part of shippuuden he gets caught in a genjutsu...oops...big deal...itachi did it with his finger....(are you serious?) This was just an attempt to make itachi seem more badass. (reaching nonetheless)

It wasn't a standard bunshin. No puff of smoke after getting touched.

Second time....is what? Recently when they met in the woods? It was clone vs. clone....are you guys really referencing THAT? :rolleyes:


Naruto hasn't shown anything yet really and I get it. But he's still got the kyuubi win button. Don't forget that.

[debs]

i think they didn't tell naruto about his heritage because everyone in the village knew that the fourth sealed the kyuubi into his son...

but nobody knew that naruto had the kyuubi...

so they didn't tell anybody to protect naruto. how did naruto find out that he had the kyuubi again? wow..its been awhile.

[Panicked]

i think they didn't tell naruto about his heritage because everyone in the village knew that the fourth sealed the kyuubi into his son...

but nobody knew that naruto had the kyuubi...

so they didn't tell anybody to protect naruto. how did naruto find out that he had the kyuubi again? wow..its been awhile.

Mizuki told him in like the first episode. Pretty sure the older villagers knew, just not the younger ones.

[Jizzz_frame]

everyone knew he had the kyuubi in him. thats why everyone hated him in the first place. thats why he was an outcast.

in any event, with neji forgotten, kakashi "surpassed", jiraiya about to die, and orochimaru "dead", all of the good characters are gone.

[Adam Warlock]

everyone knew he had the kyuubi in him. thats why everyone hated him in the first place. thats why he was an outcast.

in any event, with neji forgotten, kakashi "surpassed", jiraiya about to die, and orochimaru "dead", all of the good characters are gone.

Only the older villagers knew/know.

[Weeks]

what's this about kakashi being surpassed??

[ShinAkumax]

everyone knew he had the kyuubi in him. thats why everyone hated him in the first place. thats why he was an outcast.

in any event, with neji forgotten, kakashi "surpassed", jiraiya about to die, and orochimaru "dead", all of the good characters are gone.

Sasuke is interesting.

[Power Man Fox]

what's this about kakashi being surpassed??


He's talking about

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/342/05/

[Pimp Willy]

Shika has the brains for hokage, and since Asuma died, wouldn't he be up for the job?

[Rodimus]

After reading the chapter again this chapter is so solid. I cant wait for the upcoming chapters.

Pein prolly equal Naruto's Uncle. With Naruto's mom being from the whirpool village/country Im sure that goes along with the Rain Village.

Pein Uzumaki? My question is will Jiraiya Know him when he sees him?

The plot thickens hmmm..lol.

[Sacr3D]

He's talking about

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/342/05/

I still think that statement was an excuse made by Kishimoto to try to make Naruto strong. If Naruto can't even beat Sasuke then he can't even dream about touching Kakashi and especially with his Mangekyou Sharingan.

[Weeks]

So is Madara stronger than the 9 tails? Is that what has been implied?

[ViciousSLASH]

So is Madara stronger than the 9 tails? Is that what has been implied?

Yes, he has swirly eyes.

He is stronger then everyone who doesn't have a swirly eye.

[Sacr3D]

Yes, he has swirly eyes.

He is stronger then everyone who doesn't have a swirly eye.

Where did they say he had swirly eyes? He had normal sharingan.

[Weeks]

fucking sharingan wins again! even sasuke has the power to contain the nine tails.

why is this series called 'naruto' again? will someone please remind me

[ViciousSLASH]

Where did they say he had swirly eyes? He had normal sharingan.

That is what I meant.

Fruit Eyes = Super Saiyen 2 Aka MANGO.

[Jizzz_frame]

Only the older villagers knew/know.

right. i shouldve put that. but thats why the adults hated naruto. the kids hated him because hes a punk.

[Bowza]

So is Madara stronger than the 9 tails? Is that what has been implied?

not stronger than the nine tails, just with a more "evil" chakra.

[maxx]

right. i shouldve put that. but thats why the adults hated naruto. the kids hated him because hes a punk.

i think its more the kids hated him cuz the parents hate him. this is was more evident very early in the series. cause at time it was obvious to naruto why people hated him cause he was annoying but sometimes he was all about not understand why people hated him. he didnt understand it, and its like racist parents in a way...where their kids hate because their parents pass that hate on to the next generation.

so how long til we meet his mom...i get the feeling she's alive and is a deadbeat parent.

[Power Man Fox]

I still think that statement was an excuse made by Kishimoto to try to make Naruto strong. If Naruto can't even beat Sasuke then he can't even dream about touching Kakashi and especially with his Mangekyou Sharingan.

I think in term's of sheer power naruto has surpassed K, but of course falls short in the other areas.



So is Madara stronger than the 9 tails? Is that what has been implied?

9 tails is still the strongest. The only thing (iirc) that's been implied to be stronger than 9 tails is the end result of sealing all the bijuu.

[ReggieHadoken]

Wow, wiki's info on The Fourth got updated FAST and even the articule on Naruto Uzumaki has been updated to show that Minato is indeed Naruto's pops. Before I was even able to read the chapter on Friday (problems with OneManga) the articles were updated.

Jiraiya and Tsunade addressed Kushina in the past tense as noted on the short info about her on wiki. I was hoping she'd be alive but now that I think about it, how could she be? No way she could have been fighting the demon fox with the other Konoha ninjas because she just gave birth to Naruto. Maybe she died after giving birth. Man, so many questions now.

[maxx]

Wow, wiki's info on The Fourth got updated FAST and even the articule on Naruto Uzumaki has been updated to show that Minato is indeed Naruto's pops. Before I was even able to read the chapter on Friday (problems with OneManga) the articles were updated.

Jiraiya and Tsunade addressed Kushina in the past tense as noted on the short info about her on wiki. I was hoping she'd be alive but now that I think about it, how could she be? No way she could have been fighting the demon fox with the other Konoha ninjas because she just gave birth to Naruto. Maybe she died after giving birth. Man, so many questions now.

im telling u she's alive cuz they didnt outright say otherwise plus is gives more storyline plots for later. i think we're gonna be ending the current saga soon cuz of naruto's history i feel we're gonna jump into that after this saga.

[strakka]

I'm gonna go on a whim to say that Pein is going to have relation to Pein rather than Karin.
I'm gonna go on a whim to say that you're probably right. In fact, I'm not sure how you could possibly be wrong about this one.

[phillyblack]

Pein and Naruto are brothers. they went through the trouble of letting us know narutos mom had red hair and pein has red hair and looks EXACTLY like naruto. plus Pein is from the rain country as was narutos mom.

i'm gonna miss the hell outta jiraiya but as was the case with asuma you just know the worst is coming. it should be a tight ass fight though. Kishi better do right by the old perv hermit.

i don't think the manga will be ending anytime soon because there are just too many things unresolved. naruto is gonna lose ALL control when he finds out Jiraiya is dead. things are definitley about to get crazy.

[ShinAkumax]

I'm gonna go on a whim to say that you're probably right. In fact, I'm not sure how you could possibly be wrong about this one.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Green]

So it's been confirmed that the Fourth is his dad? The scanlation I read left a little doubt as to whether that was true.

[maxx]

So it's been confirmed that the Fourth is his dad? The scanlation I read left a little doubt as to whether that was true.

his dad is 100% the fourth. no doubt.

[Ferdinandz]

I would def read ASOIaF again

[Mickey D']

I'm gonna go on a whim to say that you're probably right. In fact, I'm not sure how you could possibly be wrong about this one.

Oops, straight up owned there. Well, you know what i meant ^_^

[Infernoman]

Pein and Naruto are brothers. they went through the trouble of letting us know narutos mom had red hair and pein has red hair and looks EXACTLY like naruto. plus Pein is from the rain country as was narutos mom.

I still will say it has to be his uncle. it could make a bit of sense for Pein to be the 4th's bro. but hopefully things will be unveiled soon.

[EVARGNUG]

it could make a bit of sense for Pein to be the 4th's bro

Not really.

If that were true, that could imply Naruto as being the result of incest.

[Kisame]

Not really.

If that were true, that could imply Naruto as being the result of incest.

thats how the hyuugas operate. bow chika wow wow

[scentless]

Pein and Naruto are brothers. they went through the trouble of letting us know narutos mom had red hair and pein has red hair and looks EXACTLY like naruto. plus Pein is from the rain country as was narutos mom.




I think so too, and even if they are not brothers they are blood related somehow for sure. Pein is probably from the Uzumaki clan and they bloodline abilitie is those crazy eyes that Naruto inherit too but could never wake the abilitie because the 9 tails somehow surpressed it. Kishimoto is probabably doing this so Naruto can gain some broken eyes like the sharingan and atleast fight on a equal level against the sharingan users.

But me stills thinks Pein=Naruto from teh future:looney::looney::looney:

[maxx]

I bet the 9tails will get taken out of naruto by the badguys and naruto will have to learn about his history. go visit his mom get trained in his new family bloodline abilites and come back and pwn people again.

[Rooks4]

I think so too, and even if they are not brothers they are blood related somehow for sure. Pein is probably from the Uzumaki clan and they bloodline abilitie is those crazy eyes that Naruto inherit too but could never wake the abilitie because the 9 tails somehow surpressed it. Kishimoto is probabably doing this so Naruto can gain some broken eyes like the sharingan and atleast fight on a equal level against the sharingan users.

But me stills thinks Pein=Naruto from teh future:looney::looney::looney:

That'd kickass. I'd like to see naruto with some whoop-ass-eye-no-jutsu. They definitly seem similar... What if they are twins? Naruto went to Konoha with Minato and Pein went with Kushina... That'd be an interesting twist.

Plus, with Pein killing Jiraiya (you know it's gonna happen), will Naruto kill his 'long-lost-brother' or try to turn him into a good guy? Hmmmmm At least the Manga is keeping me interested - the Anime is without hope.

[Kisame]

you get your demon taken away from you, you die.


So who is going to sacrifice themselves for naruto to come back to life?

[maxx]

you get your demon taken away from you, you die.


So who is going to sacrifice themselves for naruto to come back to life?

sauske lol.

Rooks4: if they are family naruto will try to turn him good. cause for once he wont be truly alone in the world. it will be the total opposite of the sasuke situation.

[Robust]

Naruto will eat sharingan's food.

Also, did madara exist at the same time as 4th? Maybe they battled for hokage D=

Uzumaki clan's bloodline limit is to not

What ever happened to Gaara's dad? I know he also sealed monster into his son. did he use the same jutsu, or a different one? Were the two hokage's boys? Sand village hokage seems pretty dope too. Some of the hokage's seem pussy though (like the sound)

[MagnusMadness]

Naruto will eat sharingan's food.

Also, did madara exist at the same time as 4th? Maybe they battled for hokage D=

Uzumaki clan's bloodline limit is to not

What ever happened to Gaara's dad? I know he also sealed monster into his son. did he use the same jutsu, or a different one? Were the two hokage's boys? Sand village hokage seems pretty dope too. Some of the hokage's seem pussy though (like the sound)

Where have you been?

Chiyo sealed the shukaku into gaara at the sacrifice of his mother. His father was betrayed and killed by orochimaru during the chunin exams.


Orochimaru is/was the sound village's hokage. Not exactly a pussy.

[Power Man Fox]

you get your demon taken away from you, you die.


So who is going to sacrifice themselves for naruto to come back to life?

Kakashi would.

[maxx]

Kakashi would.

we got a pretty big list of people who'd do it for naruto.

lol hinata would.

[SIMPLY_HUGO]

why jiraiya gotta die :sad:

I suppose i can part with one of my favo