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catchafire
09-19-2007, 07:29 PM
This would be cool. The catch with it is a little somthing i've been thinking about in the naruto world atm though. There was/is madara and Itatchi/Sasuke.
Where the heck are any of the other uchihas? Sure, obito could have been great but he's gone. So that leaves 3 powerful uchihas in the last 5 generations?
Itatchi and Sasuke are of the same generaton really, so where are they all?
I wouldnt think Itatchi could kill his own clan at the age of 15 or whatever because there would be other uchihas around. Sure he has the MS, but in all that time there were no other powerful uchihas aroudn that were in Kakashi, or Minato's age group? Nobody...? Nobody even mentionable...?
And ya, whats with all the uber ninjas leaving Konoha? Konoha would be unstoppable if they all stayed lol.
Yeah, it's a bit weird and Kishi definately needs to offer some kind of REAL explanation when Sasuke squares off with Itachi. By the way, at the pace the manga is going, it would seem that the Itachi/Sasuke fight is going to overlap with Jirayia/Pain fight.
Dj-DarK
09-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Oh boy. Looks like Pein might possibly have "steal yo fuckin bloodline jitsu".
phillyblack
09-19-2007, 11:14 PM
i'll bet anything that Konan is konohamarus mom:wink::wgrin:
thurst
09-19-2007, 11:27 PM
well all of the uchihas aren't powerful, which is evident by itachi saying that only him, sasuke and madara could learn the magenkyo sharingan. obviously kakashi has it now, but how he did so is unknown. why is that you guys don't think itachi slaughtered his fam? if i had to list ultimate truths of the naurto world the list would be like this:
-everybody has super ultra secret never to be used jutsu that they'll only use upon almost being killed 9 times
-itachi killed everyone in his clan except sasuke
-hinata <3's naruto
Markudea
09-20-2007, 06:07 AM
well all of the uchihas aren't powerful, which is evident by itachi saying that only him, sasuke and madara could learn the magenkyo sharingan.
I don't agree with that statement. Just because the rest of the Uchiha Clan didn't have the MS doesn't mean that they wasn't powerful. Remember, they were the police force of Konoha which says a lot based on the powerful shinobis there.
nameingway
09-20-2007, 06:13 AM
how many really powerful shinobi's that live in your village are you actually going to have to police? not many i would think... because if you're that badass you're probably a high ranking individual in the first place out doing crazy shit.
MagnusMadness
09-20-2007, 06:21 AM
I don't agree with that statement. Just because the rest of the Uchiha Clan didn't have the MS doesn't mean that they wasn't powerful. Remember, they were the police force of Konoha which says a lot based on the powerful shinobis there.
Not all uchihas can even activate the sharingan...IIRC.
Jiraiya: The bait was intended to lure this Pain person out, but I never imagined you’d be the one to bite. Not only have your jutsu improved, but you’ve grown into a mighty fine woman indeed, Konan.
Anybody else catch this line? It would imply that jiraiya doesn't know who pain really is (his old student)....meaning pain is an assumed name...which could mean he has another name that would be a big shocker in the near future when it's revealed. I'm not going to venture a guess...just stating an observation.
Rooks4
09-20-2007, 06:26 AM
I still don't see why everyone believes that Itachi killed his clan.. It could be easily possible that he used Mangekyo on Sasuke to make him BELIEVE he did it.
I don't believe we were ever given any proof that Itachi was the REAL culprit other than what Sasuke saw through his eyes.. and the FIRST thing Sasuke saw when entering the village (if you look back on the Manga) is someone with the Sharingan Activated staring RIGHT AT HIM ontop of some sort of power pole. It stands to reason that the killing was already over at that point - including the deaths of Sasuke's parents. Itachi could have survived, and since Sasuke was too young to seek out vengance, he used MS on him to make him train to kill ITACHI as opposed to seeking out Madara, since Madara would crush him instantly instead of letting him grow up and train.
I think Sasuke will still fight with Itachi, but I think there will be some brotherly love coming out of it, with some bullshit like Itachi telling sasuke the truth as he is dying, and telling him he's the only one that can be a true avenger for his people blah blah blah
whatever - it's what I think is going to happen - I've been saying it for awhile now.
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 06:27 AM
I don't agree with that statement. Just because the rest of the Uchiha Clan didn't have the MS doesn't mean that they wasn't powerful. Remember, they were the police force of Konoha which says a lot based on the powerful shinobis there.
That means shit. The anbu were the best of the best police and how many ninjas have run over them freely?
well all of the uchihas aren't powerful, which is evident by itachi saying that only him, sasuke and madara could learn the magenkyo sharingan. obviously kakashi has it now, but how he did so is unknown. why is that you guys don't think itachi slaughtered his fam? if i had to list ultimate truths of the naurto world the list would be like this:
-everybody has super ultra secret never to be used jutsu that they'll only use upon almost being killed 9 times
-itachi killed everyone in his clan except sasuke
-hinata <3's naruto
The way the story is headed it seems he was grooming Sasuke to fight Madara. The fact that he killed his clan, but hasn't killed a single enemy in Konoha when faced with them doesn't jive. I'm beginning to agree with whoever said Itachi took the blame so that Sasuke would chase him instead of going after Madara and getting wrecked.
catchafire
09-20-2007, 07:00 AM
I agree. But i'm confused as to how Itachi could gage Sasuke's potential. Or maybe Itachi did whatever he did on purpose to basically groom Sasuke to being powerful.
Also, in the spoilers, Madara makes reference to Sasuke remaining a Snake or turning into a Hawk (Band of the Hawks :looney:). Is he basically referring to Sasuke wanting to kill him versus siding with him?
Just curious. Also, if Madara is so powerful, then why is he doing all of this? Why is he so power hungry? Eventually, besides Naruto and Sasuke, there isn't anyone alive who is capable of checking him...
Calm Warrior
09-20-2007, 07:07 AM
That means shit. The anbu were the best of the best police and how many ninjas have run over them freely?
The way the story is headed it seems he was grooming Sasuke to fight Madara. The fact that he killed his clan, but hasn't killed a single enemy in Konoha when faced with them doesn't jive. I'm beginning to agree with whoever said Itachi took the blame so that Sasuke would chase him instead of going after Madara and getting wrecked.
Who ran over the anbus freely? (not trying to start an argument, just really looking for the info) i saw maybe kabuto which was ranked with kakashi who used to be an anbu.
That would make for an interesting read. That means itachi knew about madara from jump? And it would explain alot, i knew itachi was good but good lord, how good was he as a teenager to kill older uchiha heads, and escape.
ShinAkumax
09-20-2007, 07:27 AM
I still don't see why everyone believes that Itachi killed his clan.. It could be easily possible that he used Mangekyo on Sasuke to make him BELIEVE he did it.
Everyone's thought of that already, everyone.
thurst
09-20-2007, 07:30 AM
I don't agree with that statement. Just because the rest of the Uchiha Clan didn't have the MS doesn't mean that they wasn't powerful. Remember, they were the police force of Konoha which says a lot based on the powerful shinobis there.
everyone in konoha isn't a ninja, and all of the ninjas are already military personnel. policing konoha refers to the civilian population, it's not as if civilians are hard to deal with in the naruto world, hell even genin can pretty much beast on them for the most part.
and as someone already said, all of the uchihas don't even develop sharingan so it'd be pretty easy to off them if you have the MS as itachi did. and i'm sure we can all at least agree that itachi did kill his best friend/cousin, so i don't see why he wouldn't kill the rest of the clan..if you get stronger from killing your best friend, woulnd't it stand to reason that killing your clan would ultimately make you stronger as well?
as far as itachi not killing anybody on the various times we see him in konoha, to me he doesn't seem to particularly like combat with no goal, like he's not a sociopath like pre-kazekage gaara and he's already uber-strong, so what does he really have to gain by killing people in konoha other than drawing attention to himself and akatsuki?
new chapter comes out today, yes?
catchafire
09-20-2007, 07:40 AM
Everyone's thought of that already, everyone.
Yup, and to add to this, it would make sense for Madara to wipe out the Uchihas so there won't be anyone from his clan that could eventually rival him, i.e. Itachi/Sasuke. I'm assuming that Itachi has fought Madara before, and Madara spares his life. Itachi asks Sasuke to be spared as well, and then creates the illusion that he killed everyone.
If this does happen, I wonder how it will affect Sasuke when his only goal in life is pointless. I can forsee a SERIOUS crash in his psyche...
I wonder if there's an equivalent Madara from the Byakugan Clan...
Power Man Fox
09-20-2007, 07:45 AM
Yup, and to add to this, it would make sense for Madara to wipe out the Uchihas so there won't be anyone from his clan that could eventually rival him, i.e. Itachi/Sasuke.
It look's like madara want's sasuke in the way that oro did.
Also, in the spoilers, Madara makes reference to Sasuke remaining a Snake or turning into a Hawk (Band of the Hawks :looney:). Is he basically referring to Sasuke wanting to kill him versus siding with him?
..
Oro
MagnusMadness
09-20-2007, 07:51 AM
But what about all the other events leading up to Itachi killing off his clan? Was that an illusion as well? He killed his best friend to get MS...that really happened...he began to distance himself from his family and gave them the cold shoulder....that really happened...Sasuke's father told him not to be like Itachi. That really happened.
All these things REALLY happened and cannot be explained with "oh that was genjutsu".
He hospitalized sasuke after the chuunin exams....that really happened....
explain.
ShinAkumax
09-20-2007, 07:54 AM
But what about all the other events leading up to Itachi killing off his clan? Was that an illusion as well? He killed his best friend to get MS...that really happened...he began to distance himself from his family and gave them the cold shoulder....that really happened...Sasuke's father told him not to be like Itachi. That really happened.
All these things REALLY happened and cannot be explained with "oh that was genjutsu".
He hospitalized sasuke after the chuunin exams....that really happened....
explain.
Uh hu, that and how Kakashi and company talked about him when he was in town. Which is why I choose to take it as told. Speculation aside, there simply isn't any evidence to indicate otherwise. It's all fan theory untill proven otherwise.
catchafire
09-20-2007, 08:12 AM
Uh hu, that and how Kakashi and company talked about him when he was in town. Which is why I choose to take it as told. Speculation aside, there simply isn't any evidence to indicate otherwise. It's all fan theory untill proven otherwise.
Fan theory is turning into fact over the last few chapters.
urahara
09-20-2007, 08:15 AM
I'm sticking with my theory that Madara killed the clan so no one else could control Bijuu, but needed other hosts (perhaps only Uchiha bodies can hold him or of course needs a Uchiha body to control the Bijuu) or some such (that's why he's in Obito's body) so left Itachi and Sasuke.
EVERYBODY wants Sasuke's body!
catchafire
09-20-2007, 08:18 AM
I'm sticking with my theory that Madara killed the clan so no one else could control Bijuu, but needed other hosts (perhaps only Uchiha bodies can hold him or of course needs a Uchiha body to control the Bijuu) or some such (that's why he's in Obito's body) so left Itachi and Sasuke.
EVERYBODY wants Sasuke's body!
Trim SPA baby. I want you boooody...
Markudea
09-20-2007, 08:28 AM
That means shit. The anbu were the best of the best police and how many ninjas have run over them freely?
Well, I did remember Orochimaru eliminating a few of them (I guess that count).
and i'm sure we can all at least agree that itachi did kill his best friend/cousin, so i don't see why he wouldn't kill the rest of the clan..if you get stronger from killing your best friend, woulnd't it stand to reason that killing your clan would ultimately make you stronger as well?
new chapter comes out today, yes?
No. Since Itachi was already stronger than them all, he wouldn't gain no more power from killing them and there's the fact that only Shisui was his friend. Also, the chapter (at best) my come out tonight in raw format.
ShinAkumax
09-20-2007, 09:02 AM
Fan theory is turning into fact over the last few chapters.
Regular math and science theories have also turned into fact. But that doesn't mean all math and science theories will turn into fact and will remain theory untill proven otherwise.
MagnusMadness
09-20-2007, 09:23 AM
Fan theory is turning into fact over the last few chapters.
Edit...: POPULAR theory is becoming fact....not crackpot theory...
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 09:30 AM
I agree. But i'm confused as to how Itachi could gage Sasuke's potential. Or maybe Itachi did whatever he did on purpose to basically groom Sasuke to being powerful.
I don't think he did. I have a theory (with no real evidence, so a hunch is more appropriate). I usually avoid posting it in this thread because I HATE when fan speculation runs wild, but I guess I can indulge myself in one.
Itachi and Shisui knew madara (or something was coming.) Itachi goes emo because the clan isn't worth shit at the moment and they're all going to get raped. He finds the text and he and shisui agree to fight with the victor being the best hope for salvation after obtaining the MS. Madara spares him and sasuke because of their potential. Itachi only knows sasuke has potential because Madara spared him. itachi takes the blame so that sasuke doesn't run off to get wrecked and the rest is history.
I don't think Itachi straight murked Shisui without some kind of warning he was going to kill him. At the MOST I think he did it because he saw that as the only way to beat Madara.
MagnusMadness
09-20-2007, 09:45 AM
I don't think he did. I have a theory (with no real evidence, so a hunch is more appropriate). I usually avoid posting it in this thread because I HATE when fan speculation runs wild, but I guess I can indulge myself in one.
Itachi and Shisui knew madara (or something was coming.) Itachi goes emo because the clan isn't worth shit at the moment and they're all going to get raped. He finds the text and he and shisui agree to fight with the victor being the best hope for salvation after obtaining the MS. Madara spares him and sasuke because of their potential. Itachi only knows sasuke has potential because Madara spared him. itachi takes the blame so that sasuke doesn't run off to get wrecked and the rest is history.
I don't think Itachi straight murked Shisui without some kind of warning he was going to kill him. At the MOST I think he did it because he saw that as the only way to beat Madara.
How did shisui die though? Didn't he drown or get choked out or sumthin? There was no fight IIRC. I don't believe shisui was anywhere near itachi's level anyway. Sasuke was prepared to kill his friends to obtain power and sever ties...in order to fight on equal footing with an even more powerful foe. Perhaps this is exactly what Itachi was doing, except this was done in order to fight madara.....hmm..
noodleman
09-20-2007, 09:48 AM
the only loophole to the that theory is that itachi now sorta works with/for madara. I suppose Itachi could've turned a blind eye to it, though with his skill it seems unlikely.
maybe the scrolls he read foretold something that lead him to believe sasuke had potential. I hope Kishi finally reveal what was in those scrolls, considering how much importance the Uchiha clan and its past has in this arc.
urahara
09-20-2007, 09:51 AM
This is way, WAY out there and very unlikely but hey.
Remember back when Itachi was first shown from behind at the slaughter of the Uchihas, it doesn't much look like Itachi at all and we only see his right eye. Of course this is most likely because it was early in the series and Kishi's initial character designs were altered but emmmm.
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 09:54 AM
the only loophole to the that theory is that itachi now sorta works with/for madara. I suppose Itachi could've turned a blind eye to it, though with his skill it seems unlikely.
He really has no choice. What can he do to stop him? And if he dies to madara, sasuke goes after madara for robbing him of his vengeance and it's back to what Itachi wants to avoid-- Sasuke getting his ass raped by Madara.
noodleman
09-20-2007, 10:47 AM
yea, i suppose. Just have to wait and see. Right now it doesn't seem to fit too well, with Madara so interested in Sasuke's progress as well. Everyone seems to want Sasuke to improve for some reason (Oro, Itachi, Madara).
Bowza
09-20-2007, 11:20 AM
But what would madara have to gain from killing all the uchihas? He was their founder afterall. And if it was to prevent any potential powerful uchihas from arriving then theres no point in letting the two with the most potential, itachi and sasuke, live.
Rooks4
09-20-2007, 11:23 AM
the only loophole to the that theory is that itachi now sorta works with/for madara. I suppose Itachi could've turned a blind eye to it, though with his skill it seems unlikely.
maybe the scrolls he read foretold something that lead him to believe sasuke had potential. I hope Kishi finally reveal what was in those scrolls, considering how much importance the Uchiha clan and its past has in this arc.
Or maybe Itachi has been Jiraiya's spy this whole time, as has been expected by many people. Therefore Itachi went to work with madara willingly. We havn't seen him kill anyone yet, so other than being a bada$$ mofo and providing Akatsuki with clout, what else has he done?
The one time he tried to capture Naruto, Jiraiya just happened to be there, and Itachi just so happened to get 'tired' and beyond that decided to peace-out. HMMMMMMM.... Planned maybe? He could have killed Kakashi too, and didn't...
Just seems to coincidental.
EDIT: Don't tase me, bro.
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 11:25 AM
What did Itachi have to gain? Itachi most likely knew madara was alive based on his speech about 3 users, and if he was looking for a challenge as he claimed he could have just fought Madara instead. Think about it: Itachi let Sasuke live so he could push him to his limit. Why didn't he fight ANY of the atkatsuki? I'm sure pein could have provided him with more than enough of a challenge.
EDIT: Don't tase me, bro.
:rofl:
thurst
09-20-2007, 11:30 AM
well he fought deidara, and i think it says in one of the fact books that kisame runs with him bcuz he defeated him in battle as well. so idk if he fought ALL of akatsuki, but it stands to reason that he's probably tangled with whoever came in after he did.
catchafire
09-20-2007, 11:31 AM
What did Itachi have to gain? Itachi most likely knew madara was alive based on his speech about 3 users, and if he was looking for a challenge as he claimed he could have just fought Madara instead. Think about it: Itachi let Sasuke live so he could push him to his limit. Why didn't he fight ANY of the atkatsuki? I'm sure pein could have provided him with more than enough of a challenge.
:rofl:
I agree. What the hell does Itachi have to prove against his clan, and he already knew about the third user (Madara). If Madara is alive today, he MUST have had some involvement with the destruction of the clan. I don't see a character like him idly standing by while some scrub wipes his clan off the planet. Not to mention the keen interest Madara has in Sasuke...
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 11:33 AM
well he fought deidara, and i think it says in one of the fact books that kisame runs with him bcuz he defeated him in battle as well. so idk if he fought ALL of akatsuki, but it stands to reason that he's probably tangled with whoever came in after he did.
All of those fights against akatsuki were self-defense though. it's not like he ran up on them saying "YOUR STYLE IS WEAK COMPARED TO MINE! ENGARDE!" Oro and Deidara (not sure about Kisame) all tried to punk him first.
FOBio
09-20-2007, 12:58 PM
Regular math and science theories have also turned into fact. But that doesn't mean all math and science theories will turn into fact and will remain theory untill proven otherwise.
*putting on nerd glasses* science theories are never proven "fact." it's just believed until it's disproven.
ShinAkumax
09-20-2007, 01:15 PM
Learn something new everyday*
noodleman
09-20-2007, 01:32 PM
did they ever explain why Oro wanted to leave the Akatsuki? was it simply cause he got merc'ed by Itachi thus lost purpose of staying there?
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 01:35 PM
did they ever explain why Oro wanted to leave the Akatsuki? was it simply cause he got merc'ed by Itachi thus lost purpose of staying there?
I think so.
Starhammer
09-20-2007, 01:39 PM
I was looking through the 2nd Naruto Anime Profiles book. Kate Higgins (dub voice for Sakura) says Sakura is her fav role to play and she said that Sakura is the coolest chick in all of anime. Just wondering what some of ya'ls thoughts on that are. Starhammer, in particular. :rofl:
my true thoughts cannot be printed right now. they are linked to the satellite cannon that is following ms. higgins and if I think of the words,"KILL! HATE! MUTILATE! MURDER MURDER DIEEEEEEE!!!!" the weapon will activate. so, for the time being, I will say, in the interest of being PC, this............
"Kate higgins, a young lady who had a promising carreer in the often unrecognized field of voice acting, was dealt a bad hand. she came forth, ready to prove her talents, when the horrorible hand of voice acting Sakura Haruno of the Anime known as Naruto was thrust upon her plate. A lesser actress would've run, and rightfully so. even a better actress with a brain would've run. again, rightfully so. and yet, this woman, knowing all these things, she bravely, INSANELY, took the challenge of voice acting for the character of Sakura. I, being who I am, had to know the answer of why. I hunted down and did ask Ms. Higgins why she would do this. the following is my reproduction of the encounter.
Me: hello mam. how are you?
Ms. Higgins: well, I'm covered in duct tape, I'm being carried into a room I can't even see, and those..........Things. You call them..........Cyberwolves?
Me: yes. they are the ultimate in tracking prey. you wouldn't have gotten away.
Ms. H: ............Okay. I wouldn't even have known they were there if not for that cold blast of wind on me bum.
Me: oh yeah. sorry. they do that. they sniff anything. including your butt. by the way, it seems that you like fruit flavored hair shampoo. they do too.
Ms. H:err, okay. well, why did you bring me here?
Me: that's the reason for the seaon, ain't it? to answer your question, I brought you here for one reason. I want to know why you like the character you're voice acting on the new anime called naruto.
Ms. H: Oh. I'm guessing you mean Sakura.
Me: yes. "her". you must know how I feel about her.
Ms. H: Yeah, I know. your damn hate is moving my fucking chair!! can you calm it down it little??
I'm sorry, but this IS calm. I would not let my full power flow in front of a stranger.
Ms. H: ..................Okay.
Me: but, back to business. I only have this one question. WHY did you agree to voice actress for her?
Ms. H:...................* breaks down..............hord. street figher movie oldschool tekken, 80s videogames, beastie boys, kinda hord. *
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry. I can't say anymore for it. I'm SORRY!!! OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
Me: okay. calm down. I only want to get to the truth. I want to know, why did you agree to do it.
Ms. H: after a long period of hyperventilating and finding herself and some other shit I couldn't POSSIBLY describe.................................Okay. the thing is, I was okay at first. it was just another job to me. I didn't know what was going to happen!! I had never SEEN this character before the job!! she's a bitch!!! I would NEVER let my own children associate with someone like her!!! I just hope she dies soon!! I wish I didn't have children. I would QUIT if I could, but I have children!!!!
Me: please. calm down ma'am...............
Ms. H: NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST LISTEN!! SAKURA IS A MONSTER!!!!! A BITCH MONSTER!!!!!! YOU MUST GET RID OF HER!!!! DO IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE EMPIRE!!!! FOR THE SAKE OF THE MASTER!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*starts shaking and quivering on the floor and has to be carried away.*
....................And there you have it. even the poor woman who was forced to voice act for this monster you call Sakura is barely able to contain herself. This............Thing you call Sakura, should be stopped. Destroyed. eliminated. it now invades the living world. For the worth of this world, I ask you all to petition against the continued existance of Sakura and to end this horror before another person suffers the fate of Kate Higgins. please SRK. Do what is right. :rofl:
...............You KNEW I was gonna mess with this. poor kate.
-Starhammer-
Power Man Fox
09-20-2007, 01:53 PM
:annoy:
You should do a weekly collum on your hate for sakura, throw in ten-ten for bonus points. I'd read it :lol:
thurst
09-20-2007, 01:58 PM
All of those fights against akatsuki were self-defense though. it's not like he ran up on them saying "YOUR STYLE IS WEAK COMPARED TO MINE! ENGARDE!" Oro and Deidara (not sure about Kisame) all tried to punk him first.
it looks more like he (and the rest akatsuki) confronted deidara bcuz they wanted him to join. i'm guessin the same thing happened to him (itachi) as well.
i'm basing this is off of ish 359.
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 02:07 PM
You should do a weekly collum on your hate for sakura, throw in ten-ten for bonus points. I'd read it :lol:
The market on Ten Ten hatred is currently cornered by ME!
noodleman
09-20-2007, 02:12 PM
seriously, Ten-Ten's lucky she's on team gai, or else she'd be dead by now. Poor Hinata is getting no air time. Where's the justice.
ViciousSLASH
09-20-2007, 02:35 PM
I still don't see why everyone believes that Itachi killed his clan.. It could be easily possible that he used Mangekyo on Sasuke to make him BELIEVE he did it.
We all already know the entire manga is a genjutsu by Itachi.
lol at the story finally completing it's transformation into "Sharigan"
Starhammer
09-20-2007, 02:46 PM
seriously, Ten-Ten's lucky she's on team gai, or else she'd be dead by now. Poor Hinata is getting no air time. Where's the justice.
REP THIS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Starhammer-
Ki Shima
09-20-2007, 03:53 PM
for some reason i doubt itachi beat Oro
capcomANDsnk
09-20-2007, 03:58 PM
^the fuck? you forgot bout the flashback? Oro tried to take Itachi's body and dude cut his finger off. Oro cried like a lil bitch and left Akatsuki.
We all already know the entire manga is a genjutsu by Itachi.
:rofl:
Starhammer
09-20-2007, 04:41 PM
You should do a weekly collum on your hate for sakura, throw in ten-ten for bonus points. I'd read it :lol:
LOL. I'll think about it. knowing my luck that bastard kishi would go and make Sakura loveable and turn Hinata into the anti-christ just to leave me standing in the middle of the railroad tracks butt-naked holding an "I told you so!" power pack with a dick in my mouth. Still, the idea is................intriguing.
-Starhammer-
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 05:16 PM
I wonder if Ten Ten is genuinely surprised when she misses. I know she acts surprised, but deep down inside I think she realizes and puts on a front.
The Epidemic
09-20-2007, 05:54 PM
I wonder if Ten Ten is genuinely surprised when she misses. I know she acts surprised, but deep down inside I think she realizes and puts on a front.
why you always hating on my girl tenten AW? you know that super jump she got is hot.
noodleman
09-20-2007, 05:56 PM
I wonder if Ten Ten is genuinely surprised when she misses. I know she acts surprised, but deep down inside I think she realizes and puts on a front.
she was lucky the trap Sasori set up makes clones, or else she would've been merc'ed for sure.
The Epidemic
09-20-2007, 06:10 PM
stop the tenten hate guys!
the only female ninjas better than her are:
Tsunade
Anko
Temari
Kurenai
Tayuya
Hinata
Karin
Sakura
Ino
that girl in konohamaru's group
thats not that much really...
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 06:15 PM
why you always hating on my girl tenten AW? you know that super jump she got is hot.
With the jump and the aim, you think she'd at least have a decent game of hoops, but she'd lose for the same reason she loses already: niggas don't stand still.
*gasp* "His.. his hand... it moved into the path of the ball... blocking it.." *sweats*
she was lucky the trap Sasori set up makes clones, or else she would've been merc'ed for sure.
That actually pisses me off even more. Think about it: if she had gotten someone else's clone and died like she should have, Neiji or Rock would have breezed through her cannon fodder ass and turned the tables quick-like on the Akatsuki. But no, selfish useless bitch can't even do that. Even the vagina she spors is worthless. Neiji is obviously gay, and rock is too concerned with Gai's dick to give a damn. If there's anything that can redeem a woman it's a vagina. She doesn't even have that.
stop the tenten hate guys!
the only female ninjas better than her are:
Tsunade
Anko
Temari
Kurenai
Tayuya
Hinata
Karin
Sakura
Ino
that girl in konohamaru's group
thats not that much really...
Hanabi mercs her before she can even pull a scroll out of her ass.
ReggieHadoken
09-20-2007, 06:24 PM
snip
Someone with a prem, please rep this wonderful member or SRK. :encore:
You should do a weekly collum on your hate for sakura, throw in ten-ten for bonus points. I'd read it :lol:
AGREEDED!! :bgrin:
The market on Ten Ten hatred is currently cornered by ME!
Really? You gots to bring that Ten Ten hate with a vengance!! Be like Starhammer and let the hate flow through you! :badboy:
Poor Hinata is getting no air time. Where's the justice.
For reals!! The fandom for Hinata is strong and is probably only surpassed by NaruHina fandom. I want my girl to get some time in the sun!!
I wonder if Ten Ten is genuinely surprised when she misses. I know she acts surprised, but deep down inside I think she realizes and puts on a front.
:clap::clap::clap:
Havoc
09-20-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm STILL waiting to see Hanabi.
Pimp Willy
09-20-2007, 06:27 PM
One day she'll do something other than "lolthrowweapons"
Hell, think about neji. Fucking pimpest hyuuga in a long time, graduates no sweat from the academy... and gets stuck with 2 losers. Rock, who can only do Taijutsu, and Ten Ten, who can only throw weapons.
No wonder dude has such a big chip on his shoulder, he had to carry them for a long time. Eventually at least rock can carry his weight. But fucking Ten Ten, time skip and all, still just throwing weapons. She needs to learn to use some sort of teleport backstab jutsu or something. Shes like a puppet master sans anything worthwhile.
The ONLY fucking thing that can save her, is if she has been sand bagging her ENTIRE life, and ends up being another Sharingan user.
Keits
09-20-2007, 06:30 PM
But ten-ten rocks, at least, in gekitou ninja taisen 4. Truth.
MAGUS1234
09-20-2007, 06:37 PM
she needs to start throwing diseased dead bodies at fools. Like some ran over possum
The Epidemic
09-20-2007, 06:41 PM
you would think tenten would start adding poison or some kind of status attack to her weapons...
that alone would make her 5 times better.
edit- Havoc,...Hanabi suffered the same fate as Anko.
ShinAkumax
09-20-2007, 06:51 PM
Someone might find this interesting
Genesis says:
I can't wait for the new chapter.
Genesis says:
I want to see somebody fight already.
Genesis says:
It's time
Genesis says:
So, do you think Pein is like Ninja Dr Willy?
LSebastien says:
I believe his animal totem is the chameleon so yes
Genesis says:
animal tolem what?
LSebastien says:
kisame = shark
LSebastien says:
itachi = raven
LSebastien says:
deidara = bat
LSebastien says:
sasori = scorpio
LSebastien says:
zetsu = flytrap
LSebastien says:
etc.
Genesis says:
Hmmm
LSebastien says:
orochimaru = snake
Genesis says:
chameleon...
Genesis says:
did you come up with this theory?
Genesis says:
It's very nicely thought out.
LSebastien says:
the transfer technique and the clone trap that guarded the Akatsuki hideout both use powers of mimicry
LSebastien says:
also,, his eyes are very much like a chameleon's eyes
Genesis says:
the animal tolem thing
Genesis says:
did you come up with that?
Genesis says:
What was Kakusu's and Hiddan?
LSebastien says:
no it's pretty obvious just from reading the manga
LSebastien says:
I don't know
LSebastien says:
there the only ones who I can't figure the totem for
LSebastien says:
and Kanon but she's still new.. and alive
Genesis says:
Wouldn't it just be buttefly?
Genesis says:
well
Genesis says:
probably moth
LSebastien says:
not sinister enough
LSebastien says:
still not sinister enough
LSebastien says:
plus the origami she turned into was distinctly butterfly shaped
Genesis says:
Kakashi is dog is guess?
LSebastien says:
well he's not akatsuki so it doesn't matter lol
Genesis says:
Oh I see
Genesis says:
it's only the Akatsuki with animal tolems
Genesis says:
that's cool
LSebastien says:
but he summons dog so ya he would be close.. his father was the white 'fang' after all
Genesis says:
Although the other guys are more dog that him
Genesis says:
maybe Wolf would suit him better.
LSebastien says:
same thing with other summons.. kidoumaru and the spider is obviuos
Genesis says:
What about Tobi?
LSebastien says:
tobi is a black kite
Genesis says:
Oh right
LSebastien says:
which is a large eagle sized hawk of dark color
Genesis says:
he was flying one in the cover
LSebastien says:
interesting since madara is basically the uber version of itachi.. kite > raven
Genesis says:
So you think Itachi < Madara
LSebastien says:
those weird metallic things that hang from him sort of look like black feathers
LSebastien says:
there's no reason not to think so.. althought the opposite may be true
Genesis says:
You are right, there is no reason not to think so.
Genesis says:
Although he took down Oro
Genesis says:
and Kasame respects him
LSebastien says:
oro wasn't fighting itachi.. and itachi used the sharingan
Genesis says:
Well... of course he used Sharinga
Genesis says:
what else is he gonna use
LSebastien says:
kisame doesn't respect itachi nearly as much as he used to in part one
LSebastien says:
exactly.. he doesn't have anything else
LSebastien says:
the sharingan isn't even his own ability
Genesis says:
You think Kisame respects him less?
Genesis says:
What makes you say that?
LSebastien says:
he taunts him about not getting a jinchuuriki and being soft towards the old man 4 tails... taunts him about his brother.. taunts him about how the rain makes him look like he's crying.. cautions him about standing out in the rain because he might 'catch a cold'
LSebastien says:
he taunts him almost consistantly now
Genesis says:
Hmmmmmm
Genesis says:
I never noticed that...
Genesis says:
what do you think are the reasons Kisame stopped respecting him are?
Genesis says:
Just being unable to secure a tailed demon?
LSebastien says:
because he's suspecting that Itachi isn't as 'evil' as the other members of the organization are
LSebastien says:
just think.. of all the times we've seen this pair. Itachi has never once killed anyone.. surely Kisame would think that's suspicious
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 07:04 PM
One day she'll do something other than "lolthrowweapons"
Hell, think about neji. Fucking pimpest hyuuga in a long time, graduates no sweat from the academy... and gets stuck with 2 losers. Rock, who can only do Taijutsu, and Ten Ten, who can only throw weapons.
No wonder dude has such a big chip on his shoulder, he had to carry them for a long time. Eventually at least rock can carry his weight. But fucking Ten Ten, time skip and all, still just throwing weapons. She needs to learn to use some sort of teleport backstab jutsu or something. Shes like a puppet master sans anything worthwhile.
The ONLY fucking thing that can save her, is if she has been sand bagging her ENTIRE life, and ends up being another Sharingan user.
If Ten Ten had Sharingan she'd develop MS immediately and immediately Amaterasu herself. On the off chance she DID hit someone with Tsukuyomi, she would spend the entire time in their mind throwing bullshit at them and missing. She'd be the first Sharingan user you could beat by staring down. Trust me. Nothing can save this wench.
you would think tenten would start adding poison or some kind of status attack to her weapons...
that alone would make her 5 times better.
How? She doesn't hit shit! you have to hit some shit to poison it! Fighting Ten Ten automatically gives you your choice of just defend or sidestep, sometimes, both.
noodleman
09-20-2007, 07:50 PM
If Ten Ten had Sharingan she'd develop MS immediately and immediately Amaterasu herself. On the off chance she DID hit someone with Tsukuyomi, she would spend the entire time in their mind throwing bullshit at them and missing. She'd be the first Sharingan user you could beat by staring down. Trust me. Nothing can save this wench.
lolol :pray:
How? She doesn't hit shit! you have to hit some shit to poison it! Fighting Ten Ten automatically gives you your choice of just defend or sidestep, sometimes, both.
Considering how much shit she throws down, she shit is probably made from China, and thus covered in lead paint. She can poison the ground cause irreparable to the Naruto world, causing the death of the planet. That's the only way she can have redemption.
Adam Warlock
09-20-2007, 07:53 PM
She should just carry around a bunch of kage bunshin narutos in the form of throwing stars.
Richter85
09-20-2007, 11:26 PM
uhm can someone post why that 'dat fat kid is pein? I see no resemblence whatsoever.
urahara
09-21-2007, 01:21 AM
That fat kid MAY be one of Pein's bodies, just as Minato may be one, it's all theory at this point, made a quick 2 second pic so you can see the similarities thanks to images from this weeks Manga.
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allgrowedupsu1.jpg
Power Man Fox
09-21-2007, 02:43 AM
One of peins body's is a fat one. That's prolly him.
Ki Shima
09-21-2007, 04:30 AM
I wonder if Ten Ten is genuinely surprised when she misses. I know she acts surprised, but deep down inside I think she realizes and puts on a front.
that made me LOL :rofl:
about oro, maybe he didnt want itachi reading his jutsu. i think Oro is being HIGHLY underrated here, i think they planted the itachi is strongest bug to make people focus on him for now
MagnusMadness
09-21-2007, 05:32 AM
But what would madara have to gain from killing all the uchihas? He was their founder afterall. And if it was to prevent any potential powerful uchihas from arriving then theres no point in letting the two with the most potential, itachi and sasuke, live.
When you put it that way. Why wouldn't madara have just pulled out? Or maybe bustin that first nut was all part of his plan as well!!!!
Rodimus
09-21-2007, 06:15 AM
Yo, no work today so that means as soon as the raw drops Im on it.
Some ore spoiler pics:
Just Chillin...
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9471/483820xy3.jpg
Damn they about to do work!:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8755/497310ak5.jpg
Where u been Naruto?
http://photo8.hexun.com/p/2007/0921/130839/b_D021DF36642586F320F0612208A794B8.jpg On the cover oh i got you.
Hebi on the move:
http://photo8.hexun.com/p/2007/0921/130839/b_63F88867AFEC410E0A1027C35A518447.jpg
I'll be back.
noodleman
09-21-2007, 06:30 AM
haha, finally, Naruto and Sasuke in the same frame together, abet a kage bunshin naruto.
The Epidemic
09-21-2007, 06:34 AM
That fat kid MAY be one of Pein's bodies, just as Minato may be one, it's all theory at this point, made a quick 2 second pic so you can see the similarities thanks to images from this weeks Manga.
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allgrowedupsu1.jpg
there are no simalarities that even hint at that skin-head fat kid is Pein.
Adam Warlock
09-21-2007, 07:02 AM
If it IS pein, why is he wearing a rain headband now? Do villages just accept rogue nin?
^its happened before...kabuto isn't originally from konoha, iirc. there was a story about a kid that joined the rain village that was originally from some place else, iirc during the first run of the anime. then there's kushina...(maybe).
TheDarkPhoenix
09-21-2007, 07:07 AM
Where the heck is Zetsu?!?!
The Epidemic
09-21-2007, 07:10 AM
^its happened before...kabuto isn't originally from konoha, iirc. there was a story about a kid that joined the rain village that was originally from some place else, iirc during the first run of the anime. then there's kushina...(maybe).
Kurenai is from another village i think.
But im pretty sure Kabuto is from Konoha..isnt his dad the main medical branch leader or suttin..i remember hearing that in the anime.
Adam Warlock
09-21-2007, 07:13 AM
^its happened before...kabuto isn't originally from konoha, iirc. there was a story about a kid that joined the rain village that was originally from some place else, iirc during the first run of the anime. then there's kushina...(maybe).
Kabuto isn't, but he's not exactly a rogue nin either, He was picked up as a kid after Konoha fucked up his village.
Adam Warlock
09-21-2007, 07:15 AM
Kurenai is from another village i think.
But im pretty sure Kabuto is from Konoha..isnt his dad the main medical branch leader or suttin..i remember hearing that in the anime.
Kurenai is Leaf-born i think.
noodleman
09-21-2007, 08:14 AM
Where the heck is Zetsu?!?!
out and about feeding on dead ninjas?
The Epidemic
09-21-2007, 08:18 AM
Where the heck is Zetsu?!?!
seriously...dude is like the shino of akatsuki. Dude gets no time to shine.
Pimp Willy
09-21-2007, 08:20 AM
But ten-ten rocks, at least, in gekitou ninja taisen 4. Truth.
Actually, shes garbage from what I recall. Her only really good move is air throw chain throwing 5 sets of weapons. Spaced right, it was an infinite...
But all you need to do to avoid it is sidestep once. And then her ass is grass. Just like the Manga.
noodleman
09-21-2007, 08:27 AM
seriously...dude is like the shino of akatsuki. Dude gets no time to shine.
who's shino? :rofl:
Pinion
09-21-2007, 08:34 AM
Where the heck is Zetsu?!?!
Probably just chilling somewhere underground.
And speaking of Zetsu, I seriously want to see that guy get some battle time in. All I've ever seen him do is come out of the ground say something, eat, then leave. How lame is that?
catchafire
09-21-2007, 08:37 AM
Where is teh rawr?
Dj-DarK
09-21-2007, 09:41 AM
Where is teh rawr?
Seriously...
noodleman
09-21-2007, 10:04 AM
>:3 rawr. I'm a lion.
catchafire
09-21-2007, 11:34 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2kp92b
thurst
09-21-2007, 11:38 AM
it says the service is full at the moment, but is that naurto 371? if so thank god.
catchafire
09-21-2007, 11:41 AM
it says the service is full at the moment, but is that naurto 371? if so thank god.
I think so, not sure though... j/k, it's real :D
Rodimus
09-21-2007, 11:44 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2kp92b
Damn catcha you beat me this week. Damn my Cnn watching got the best of me..lol. I was just about to post my own sendspace link..lol. props to you--i know we were waiting mad long for it!!
Rick Fn Stalvey
09-21-2007, 11:46 AM
http://www.inferno3.com.br/joe/Naruto371.rar
Chinese Scan
gemdoom
09-21-2007, 12:34 PM
haven't been on this thread in a while loving the chapters. more konaha history haha
noodleman
09-21-2007, 12:53 PM
amazing how everything, including the Rain village has something to do with Konoha. Good chapter though.
Did anyone else find it random that it was the Rain village that gave Jirayi/Tsunade/Oro the title of Sannin?
http://saiyanisland.com/371/?a=view&id=&image=1
Markudea
09-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Here's chapter 371 (TRANSLATED):
- http://www.quickmanga.com/
A nice chapter indeed...
Damn catcha you beat me this week. Damn my Cnn watching got the best of me..lol. I was just about to post my own sendspace link..lol. props to you--i know we were waiting mad long for it!!
Rodimus, you may have to update your avatar everytime that Pain switches bodies. Just kidding... What do you think about Pain's latest body?
capcomANDsnk
09-21-2007, 05:41 PM
who's Ibiki?
Kisame
09-21-2007, 05:50 PM
the guy with the scars on his face who interrogates people and shits his pants at the name of orochimaru.
Stabby
09-21-2007, 06:03 PM
hahaha, Naruto is a filler character.
whoa whoa whoa TOBI.
looks like he's barely getting into the sasuke growing up saga.
otherwise he'd have been on the "my my how you've grown my dear sasuke." tip.
Hunter D
09-21-2007, 06:14 PM
whoa whoa whoa TOBI.
looks like he's barely getting into the sasuke growing up saga.
otherwise he'd have been on the "my my how you've grown my dear sasuke." tip.
He probably wants Sasuke to give up on revenge. Its the only thing that drives Sasuke.
4neqs
09-21-2007, 06:16 PM
who's Ibiki?
Morino Ibiki, interrogator from the chunnins who presided over the written exams.
His brother Idate was the star of the first, embarrassing filler arc.
http://leafninja.com/biographies-M.php
Edit- lol
http://nahkampfbiber.deviantart.com/art/the-Truth-65289166
rukawa_kaede
09-21-2007, 06:36 PM
pretty much the girl is Konan, and Pain when he was still brasilian
http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/36/36/3/88/35/2873388350074921702XZuGyt_th.jpg
Biolink
09-21-2007, 07:03 PM
So does this confirm it?
Pain was talking about how
"Jiraiya sensei sure brings back memories"
As far as I know,Jiraiya has only trained 1 squad
BlackShinobi
09-21-2007, 09:22 PM
Yeah I searched that picture out as soon as she said Jiraiya sensei. Although I'm still not sure which one of those two little boys is Pain. Don't rule those crazy 4th hokage conspiracy theories out just yet.
Robust
09-21-2007, 09:35 PM
pain was probably using the body of the forth(clone or whatever), and hes just that fat kid
Markudea
09-21-2007, 09:47 PM
The chapter looks great. I like how Sasuke just went through Naruto's Kage Bunshin without hesitation. I believe that Sasuke will encounter Tobi/Madara sooner or later. Did anyone else notice that Sasuke didn't activate the Sharingan when he used that lightning attack on Naruto's Kage Bunshin? That's the first time I seen that...
The chapter looks great. I like how Sasuke just went through Naruto's Kage Bunshin without hesitation. I believe that Sasuke will encounter Tobi/Madara sooner or later. Did anyone else notice that Sasuke didn't activate the Sharingan when he used that lightning attack on Naruto's Kage Bunshin? That's the first time I seen that...
I thought it was hilarious that Sasuke just blazed through Naruto like nothing.
As for the Sharingan part, Sasuke probably didn't activate it because Karin was talking about "people with identical chakra all around us" just beforehand, and when Sasuke saw Naruto, he probably figured they were simply Kage bushins. No need to even activate it.
sainthuey
09-21-2007, 10:04 PM
did sasuke even do the seals for chidori? all i remember is it activating and attacking, maybe he did it with his other hand? is that even possible...
UnCauzi
09-21-2007, 10:09 PM
Eh seals? who does seals anymore?
ShinAkumax
09-21-2007, 10:13 PM
So true.
Dj-DarK
09-21-2007, 10:14 PM
Eh seals? who does seals anymore?
Remember when back in the day they did seals so slow and actually called them shits out? PIG! LION! SHEEP! :rofl:
Green
09-21-2007, 10:20 PM
I remember in the anime when Kakashi and Zabuza were fighting and they were doing the seals for the suiton suiryuudan no jutsu simultaneously.
Sacr3D
09-21-2007, 10:22 PM
pain was probably using the body of the forth(clone or whatever), and hes just that fat kid
Why do you people bring it back to the fourth always....
ReggieHadoken
09-21-2007, 11:24 PM
This will be Naruto's third time trying to bring back Sasuke. Third time is a charm, right? I love this manga and all but I'm sick of Naruto chasing after that traitor. I want to see Naruto get stronger for purposes other than saving a person who doesn't want to be saved.
Having said all that, was a good chapter. Can't wait for next weeks.
Man, I missed all the fan speculation a few pages back. I was actually thinking that Itachi is pushing Sasuke to his limit so Madara could possess Sasuke's body who has more potential than Itachi. Orochimaru's possession jutsu might have been a reason why he was recruited in to Akatsuki. Could have also been a reason why Orochimaru joined assuming Madara has switched bodies before since Orochimaru would have wanted to advance his research using Madara's knowledge.
But then again, I don't see why Itachi would bother helping Madara unless he believes that the only way to evolve the Uchiha bloodline would be to allow Madara to take over Sasuke's body. Either that or Madara straight up coerced him to join.
scentless
09-22-2007, 04:50 AM
pretty much the girl is Konan, and Pain when he was still brasilian
http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/36/36/3/88/35/2873388350074921702XZuGyt_th.jpg
what you insinuating with that? :bluu:
catchafire
09-22-2007, 07:32 AM
Any word on the anime?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Lr70lwaVg <--- This was funny =)
Robust
09-22-2007, 07:42 AM
Why do you people bring it back to the fourth always....
I'm sure this was posted before, so sorry for repeating, but its unclear how he obtained these "clones", but it probably was through people he is/has been in contact with, then why not the forth? Apparently, there were boys, or atleast in the same team, growing up. heh.
Shinto
09-22-2007, 07:58 AM
Why do you people bring it back to the fourth always....
Because the 4th semen spawned that bastard Naruto :arazz:
and seals = hand gestures? yes?
Dj-DarK
09-22-2007, 08:05 AM
Because the 4th semen spawned that bastard Naruto :arazz:
and seals = hand gestures? yes?
Yea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qYuivQijc
:rofl:
SmoothCat
09-22-2007, 08:49 AM
Yea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qYuivQijc
:rofl:
i never seen the US version of naruto and i thank god for it everyday:rofl:.
thurst
09-22-2007, 08:49 AM
does chidori even need seals? i always remembered it being like rasengan and requiring no seals.
Dj-DarK
09-22-2007, 09:25 AM
does chidori even need seals? i always remembered it being like rasengan and requiring no seals.
Yea it does. Mute this video and its at about a minute in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-fFbrrYwM8
4neqs
09-22-2007, 09:48 AM
Any word on the anime?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Lr70lwaVg <--- This was funny =)
Hour-long special next week homie.
www.leafninja.com
Dhalsimowns
09-22-2007, 10:01 PM
What is it about Jirayai that makes him so powerful and confident?
As a sannin he isnt god tier anymore and if individual akatsuki members all thought they could kill orochi why do they fear/respect Jirayai so much?
Jirayai seems really damn confident sneaking around knowing Pein took out Hanzou. Even with konan on him and Pein on the way he looks like he is more or less having a good time. Is he somehow secretly more powerful than Orochi was?
Eh, akatsuki seems too powerful. If Jirayai dies, Konoha is powerless.
TheKimura
09-22-2007, 11:05 PM
i've always thought jiraiya was the most powerful sannin, fuck an orochimaru.. look at all the bad ass people jiraiya has trained.
Green
09-22-2007, 11:06 PM
Sasuke will be back on Konoha's side eventually.
Richter85
09-22-2007, 11:13 PM
What is it about Jirayai that makes him so powerful and confident?
As a sannin he isnt god tier anymore and if individual akatsuki members all thought they could kill orochi why do they fear/respect Jirayai so much?
Well, Kisame and Itachi faced Jiraiya before, and they got the shit beated out of them (well not really, but they ended up running). = Fear
Pein and Konan are students of Jiraiya. = Respect
Besides, just cuz they think they can beat Orochimaru doesn't neccessarily mean they think they can out Jiraiya. Of the 3, maybe Jiraiya is the strongest. Even though the 3rd said Orochimaru is the talented one ("He was special. A ninja that comes once every decade") the naruto theme obviously favors people who works hard over the geniuses. In that one battle when Jiraiya and the 5th went against Orochimaru with no arms, Jiraiya was drugged. So don't take it lightly that Jiraiya is sorry.
The best is yet to come:sweat:
The Deadpool
09-23-2007, 12:18 AM
Another running major theme (but hasn't been focused on lately), is the idea that real strength is in protecting someone you love ala Haku/Zabuza and 3rd and Konoha. This is why Orochimaru is weak. This is why eventually Sasuke will get what's coming to him.
sainthuey
09-23-2007, 12:59 AM
Another running major theme (but hasn't been focused on lately), is the idea that real strength is in protecting someone you love ala Haku/Zabuza and 3rd and Konoha. This is why Orochimaru is weak. This is why eventually Sasuke will get what's coming to him.
serious they need to end this BS, they keep making it seem as though if a genin is determined enough he can take down a S-Ranked ninja, fucking pleease(kakuzu/hidan:rolleyes::annoy:)
Panicked
09-23-2007, 06:33 AM
serious they need to end this BS, they keep making it seem as though if a genin is determined enough he can take down a S-Ranked ninja, fucking pleease(kakuzu/hidan:rolleyes::annoy:)
Naruto is as strong as a Jounin; obviously rank doesn't mean that much.
Dj-DarK
09-23-2007, 06:51 AM
serious they need to end this BS, they keep making it seem as though if a genin is determined enough he can take down a S-Ranked ninja, fucking pleease(kakuzu/hidan:rolleyes::annoy:)
Seriously after what Shikamaru did to Hidan, I can't stand that prep time no talent having mofo. I see the Sakura and Ten Ten movements but their need to be one for this broken plot no jitsu scrub.
Whats next? Konohamaru kills Pain? Theres no point in building up badass characters only to kill them with Konoha scrubs.
Shinto
09-23-2007, 06:56 AM
I thought it was like this in all anime.Build the bad dude up to be a bad ass then let the good guy come back and rape.
UnCauzi
09-23-2007, 07:22 AM
Stop looking so deeply this manga contradicts itself all the time. And BELIEVE IT: Just because someone is a good teacher doesn't make them a good practitioner. Do you think Mike Tysons trainer was a world champion.
Answer: no.
DaFlipMastaXV
09-23-2007, 08:28 AM
Stop looking so deeply this manga contradicts itself all the time. And BELIEVE IT: Just because someone is a good teacher doesn't make them a good practitioner. Do you think Mike Tysons trainer was a world champion.
Answer: no.
Those who can't do... teach.
UnCauzi
09-23-2007, 08:35 AM
It's also very real that the success of a student sometimes has nothing to do with the competency of the teacher. These students are commonly known as: Prodigys.
UnCauzi
09-23-2007, 08:39 AM
What is it about Jirayai that makes him so powerful and confident?
As a sannin he isnt god tier anymore and if individual akatsuki members all thought they could kill orochi why do they fear/respect Jirayai so much?
Jirayai seems really damn confident sneaking around knowing Pein took out Hanzou. Even with konan on him and Pein on the way he looks like he is more or less having a good time. Is he somehow secretly more powerful than Orochi was?
Eh, akatsuki seems too powerful. If Jirayai dies, Konoha is powerless.
Konoha has the all powerful weapons though, bijus? SUCK. Atkasuki? ASS. Senin? LAUGHABLE.
Anbu<Jounin<Bijuu<Jinchuriki<Atkasuki<Sannin<Chuunin<Genin
BELIEVE IT!
ShinAkumax
09-23-2007, 09:05 AM
Seriously after what Shikamaru did to Hidan, I can't stand that prep time no talent having mofo. I see the Sakura and Ten Ten movements but their need to be one for this broken plot no jitsu scrub.
Whats next? Konohamaru kills Pain? Theres no point in building up badass characters only to kill them with Konoha scrubs.
Hidan was shitty before Shika killed him. I'm going to kill you! But first, I need to draw a pentagram, and now I'll get your blood, wait wait, I'm almost there, no I'll stab myself! He had a REALLY stupid over complicated way to kill someone.
Dj-DarK
09-23-2007, 09:20 AM
He had a REALLY stupid over complicated way to kill someone.
I don't think it was his technique that was his downfall. It was the fact that he tried to fight everyone on his own instead of working together with Kakuzu.
ShinAkumax
09-23-2007, 09:25 AM
His downfall was wearing the Akatsuki coat. It's insta lose against anyone in their teens.
But other than that, well compare him to anyone else in the Akatsuki, how do you think would had fared against people with real moves. He was so weak and shitty that Shika fighting alone and beating him is a believeable scenario.
ShinjiGohan
09-23-2007, 10:20 AM
It's also very real that the success of a student sometimes has nothing to do with the competency of the teacher. These students are commonly known as: Prodigys.
So basicly you're saying that he got lucky with 3 prodogys and that he must suck as a teacher.
4th Hokage=prodogy
Pein=prodogy
Kanon=prodogy
So who were the prodogys that Orochimaru trained? Or Tsunade? Or maybe you're trying to say that the leaf sent its prodogys to a person that can't teach.
Keits
09-23-2007, 10:26 AM
orochimaru taught anko. shizune was ost likely on tsunades team as well.
Biolink
09-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Anko has dissapeared into obscurity though,and I wouldn't put Anko anywhere near the 4th's,Pein's,or Kanon's level.
Tsunade mainly trains medical ninja's
The Epidemic
09-23-2007, 10:29 AM
So basicly you're saying that he got lucky with 3 prodigys and that he must suck as a teacher.
4th Hokage=prodigy
Pein=prodigy
Kanon=prodigy
So who were the prodigys that Orochimaru trained? Or Tsunade? Or maybe you're trying to say that the leaf sent its prodigys to a person that can't teach.
fixed :lol:
i never seen prodigy misspelled so many times...
Her tits were too strong for animators.
not to mention her slut outfit.
Keits
09-23-2007, 10:44 AM
Thats what im saying. Anko couldnt beat orochimaru, and shzune probably couldnt take tsnade. but pein and konan are probabl going to beat jiraiya, and the fourth ended up teaching jiraiya and the 3rd as much as they taught him.
jiraiya = the man when it comes to teaching.
Kisame
09-23-2007, 10:46 AM
Orochimaru taught sasuke who could beat him
When Orochimaru actually taught he was pretty good at it. He just didnt want to teach Anko she was like a toy to him.
Keits
09-23-2007, 10:55 AM
It remains to be seen if sasuke really beat orochimaru. This is reafirmed by tobi's "will you be a snake or a hawk?" statement.
orochimaru is still in sasuke. my money is on him jumping from sasuke to itachis body and finally taking over it.
all speculation, but we just cant be sure sasuke really beat orochimaru just yet.
orochimarus is still in kabuto too, and i think its more of sasuke snuffing out orochi then orochi getting in sasuke otherwise he'd have no need to get into kabuto.
Markudea
09-23-2007, 11:07 AM
orochimaru is still in sasuke. my money is on him jumping from sasuke to itachis body and finally taking over it.
all speculation, but we just cant be sure sasuke really beat orochimaru just yet.
But why would Orochimaru attempt to take Itachi's body when Sasuke has the higher potential? Also, even if Orochimaru is still around, he can't defeat Pain, let alone Itachi and Tobi/Madara.
Pimp Willy
09-23-2007, 11:23 AM
I used to think that a big theme of Naruto was indeed "Those who work hard can overcome those who are born genius." Rock Lee was the perfect example of this.
And then what happened? Rock has yet to win anything important. Sasuke was able to match and surpass what Rock worked YEARS at in only a month. He hasn't gotten to prove himself agaisnt Neji. He went ALL OUT and still got beasted by Gaara. He got drunk and was about to die and was saved by Gaara. He fought his own clone for hours. And he'd been knocked out of commission and only saved by a "Miracle surgery Jutsu."
So, in reality, the underlying moral is "No matter how hard you work, you will never surpass a genius." Sasuke is a genius. Naruto has the 9-tailed. Kakashi ninjad a Sharingan. Sakura was billed as a genius from the beginning. Shiki as well. Itachi has been on a pedistal from the beginning of the series.
Rock Lee, Ten Ten, Chouji... see a pattern here? They are not geniuses. 2/3 dont even put in hard work. Rock puts in hard work and fails.
So I argue that the famous "hard work" theme is indeed backwards. Genius > Hard Work according to this series.
SmoothCat
09-23-2007, 11:28 AM
lol the fat kids eye are really chinky... yes i made up a word
sainthuey
09-23-2007, 12:19 PM
I thought it was like this in all anime.Build the bad dude up to be a bad ass then let the good guy come back and rape.
I don't mind seeing powerfull ass niggas getting offed, but kakuzu/hidan's deaths were both lame as fuck, if you're gonna kill a high ranked ninja they better go down in a blaze of fucking glory like sasori/deidara/zabuza did.
and yeah hidan was a fucking idiot, he had a shit load of potential to be the best, but he was too fucking cocky and over-confident to kill a scrub, same with kakuzu, if they would have just thought of a plan they probably wouldn't be dead:arazz:
The Damned
09-23-2007, 12:33 PM
Oh, dear Zord. ("It's Morphin' Time!")
I stay away all Saturday and I come back to see like half the people throwing around that Pein was Jiraiya's student like it's canon, that hard work actually gets people somewhere in this manga--Rock Lee is so very top tier--and that acting like the seeming huge gap between Orochimaru's power level (not over 9000) and Jiraiya's power level (over 9000) is anything but one of many-shonen-cliche-inspired oversights/plotholes that UnCauzi, VS and I can see are so damned rife throughout this story. (This bugs the shit out of me so much because this story had and still, barely, has potential.)
God, I can't wait until two weeks when they reveal Madara's true face and show that he, too, has Karin-like hot pink/red hair.
"OMGFTWBBQAbortion!!! Naruto must be Uchiha! Believe it!"
:bluu:
What the fuck is wrong with some of you and acting like logic is your anathema?
ShinAkumax
09-23-2007, 01:23 PM
I used to think that a big theme of Naruto was indeed "Those who work hard can overcome those who are born genius." Rock Lee was the perfect of this.
That just means that you've been wrong for a while now.
noodleman
09-23-2007, 02:24 PM
Naruto + Sasuke fusion. Believe it. Narusuke. Together they will defeat the undefeatable Madara.
It's cool to see Jiraya fighting for real, instead of calling out frogs like the power rangers.
ViciousSLASH
09-23-2007, 03:07 PM
is anything but one of many-shonen-cliche-inspired oversights/plotholes that UnCauzi, VS and I can see are so damned rife throughout this story. (This bugs the shit out of me so much because this story had and still, barely, has potential.)
I've just stopped posting in here except to type "lol this" or "lol that".
For example, lol Rock Lee.
Remember when the Timeskip happened and everyone was all like "I WONDER WHAT NEW STUFF WE WILL SEE!?!?!?!"
Those were the good ol' days. We didn't see shit, in actuality, most of our favorite characters aside from Shika, got sat permanently on the bench.
Extra lol at Kishi making Shino fans happy by actual having him appear and then giving him zero lines. Same with Hinata. The only one in there squad that actually did something was Kiba.
"I smell something"
"My sense's are even better then kakashi's!" <---- Okay, like when you heard Deidara fall on a whole bunch of mines? Oh wait...
Rodimus
09-23-2007, 03:15 PM
It remains to be seen if sasuke really beat orochimaru. This is reafirmed by tobi's "will you be a snake or a hawk?" statement.
orochimaru is still in sasuke. my money is on him jumping from sasuke to itachis body and finally taking over it.
all speculation, but we just cant be sure sasuke really beat orochimaru just yet.
Sasuke beat Orochimaru going by Sasuke saying he absorbed him. **The white snake line** I took Madara's comments to mean If Sasuke stays the hunted( snake ) or becomes the Hunter ( Hawk ).
That's what i took those lines to mean. Remember when Sasuke said these exact same words to Orochimaru while he was slicin his ass up. Saying you look up and wanna fly but you Oro, can only fly in the talons of a Hawk..All that shit Sasuke was saying was mad gangsta.
Oro tried b4 to take Itachi's body that ish didn't work then and wont work now, while Sasuke has him on Lock down. If anything he can come back through Kabuto. if we really hope for it..lol.
I miss Oro also.
Damn is this fight gonna be fair 2 on 1. So best case Scenario Jiraiya takes out Konan and somewhat contains Pein?
Should we start the r.i.p Jiraiya Avs..lol.
Dhalsimowns
09-23-2007, 07:02 PM
I used to think that a big theme of Naruto was indeed "Those who work hard can overcome those who are born genius." Rock Lee was the perfect example of this.
And then what happened? Rock has yet to win anything important. Sasuke was able to match and surpass what Rock worked YEARS at in only a month. He hasn't gotten to prove himself agaisnt Neji. He went ALL OUT and still got beasted by Gaara. He got drunk and was about to die and was saved by Gaara. He fought his own clone for hours. And he'd been knocked out of commission and only saved by a "Miracle surgery Jutsu."
So, in reality, the underlying moral is "No matter how hard you work, you will never surpass a genius." Sasuke is a genius. Naruto has the 9-tailed. Kakashi ninjad a Sharingan. Sakura was billed as a genius from the beginning. Shiki as well. Itachi has been on a pedistal from the beginning of the series.
Rock Lee, Ten Ten, Chouji... see a pattern here? They are not geniuses. 2/3 dont even put in hard work. Rock puts in hard work and fails.
So I argue that the famous "hard work" theme is indeed backwards. Genius > Hard Work according to this series.
Dont worry. Drunk Lee>all.
^Orochi might be a snake but everyone is a worm to the sharingan. Once in a decade sannin genius ninja killed by 15 yr old sharingan :annoy:
He was half dead sick, but whatever.
sainthuey
09-23-2007, 07:14 PM
^Orochi might be a snake but everyone is a worm to the sharingan. Once in a decade sannin genius ninja killed by 15 yr old sharingan :annoy:He was half dead sick, but whatever.
...w/ both his arms sealed off:rolleyes:
sasuke doesn't get any praise for taking out oro from me, he was already on his death bed.
Pimp Willy
09-23-2007, 07:20 PM
Sasuke was humble enough to already admit that
UnCauzi
09-23-2007, 09:57 PM
So basicly you're saying that he got lucky with 3 prodogys and that he must suck as a teacher.
4th Hokage=prodogy
Pein=prodogy
Kanon=prodogy
So who were the prodogys that Orochimaru trained? Or Tsunade? Or maybe you're trying to say that the leaf sent its prodogys to a person that can't teach.
Don't be a fucking idiot wait, too late. I won't even explain why. Let's just say
prodigy's actually CAN all be in the same class. Not impossible I've seen
it personally. We also don't know how prodigal the bitch is, or Pein or whether their genius was realized while under senins care.
Why do I even post here still...o ya...boredom.
Biolink
09-23-2007, 10:04 PM
There is no way that Oro DOESN'T come back.
All of this Pein,Madara crap has just been a diversion.As fucked up as Kabuto looked after fusing Oro into his body,can you say that he won't be back?
dereklearnslow
09-23-2007, 11:49 PM
Is there no Shipuuden this week?
ShinjiGohan
09-23-2007, 11:54 PM
Don't be a fucking idiot wait, too late. I won't even explain why. Let's just say
prodigy's actually CAN all be in the same class. Not impossible I've seen
it personally. We also don't know how prodigal the bitch is, or Pein or whether their genius was realized while under senins care.
Why do I even post here still...o ya...boredom.
Guess ya also forgot that they mix up the groups according to skill.
Sasuke=1
Sakura=middle
Naruto=dead last
But wait that can't be, cause then Jiriaya might actually be a decent teacher and we can't have that, so its just easier to just say that everyone that happen to train under him was a prodigy.
capcomANDsnk
09-24-2007, 12:00 AM
^is it even CONFIRMED that Pein and Konan were prodigies when they were kids?
4neqs
09-24-2007, 01:34 AM
Is there no Shipuuden this week?
None this week, double episode this coming Thursday/Friday.
Dhalsimowns
09-24-2007, 02:09 AM
...w/ both his arms sealed off:rolleyes:
sasuke doesn't get any praise for taking out oro from me, he was already on his death bed.
His arms werent sealed. He transfered into that guy from the rain/water/misc village cause tsunade wouldnt heal his arms. It was a last resort.
^^ I dont think they were. They were probably advanced genin but the 4th was the prodigy. If you look at the picture of the team it looks like Konan and the fat kid are haters of the 4th's ability. Their body language is veered away from minato and jirayai in some kind of regret/contempt look. I think this could be they just felt bad about themselves because Minato was such a stud, or that Jirayai spent more attention on Minato or praised/supported/admired him more than the others. It looks like that in the picture because J and the 4th are all happy and shinning together with the 4th blissfully ignorant of his disenchanted teammates.
Black Deniro
09-24-2007, 02:43 AM
The hell, am I the only Sauske fan?
Like, this guy's motives seem pretty simple to me. Fuck, Naruto needs to give Sauske some space and let him ether his brother.
Adam Warlock
09-24-2007, 06:05 AM
lol the fat kids eye are really chinky... yes i made up a word
No you didn't. you stole an old word and took credit for it. "chinky eyed" is older than you are.
Stop the Sasuke hate. I told you all way back in the day that Sasuke is that nigga. Let him breathe.
nameingway
09-24-2007, 07:57 AM
What is it about Jirayai that makes him so powerful and confident?
As a sannin he isnt god tier anymore and if individual akatsuki members all thought they could kill orochi why do they fear/respect Jirayai so much?
Jirayai seems really damn confident sneaking around knowing Pein took out Hanzou. Even with konan on him and Pein on the way he looks like he is more or less having a good time. Is he somehow secretly more powerful than Orochi was?
Eh, akatsuki seems too powerful. If Jirayai dies, Konoha is powerless.
well here's some logic for you, hope it doesn't hurt too much. J trained the 4th, aka the yellow flash, aka i'll go to the front lines of the ninja war and engage the enemy by myself (all while they wet themselves just because they know i'm here). j also (apparently) trained konon or whatever and pein, who up until recently was the leader of akatsuki. also, i may be wrong in this statement, but i'm not too sure anyone else knows (itachi probably knows) that madara is the "al's l."
now, if all of the above does indeed hold true, doesn't it seem logical for someone who was trained by him, know him the best? thus, knows that he is a fucking badass? otherwise, he'd prob be like, "oi, if you see an old dude w/crazy white hair and red face paint* - kill him, he's nothing."
*sup w/that btw? looks tight but what exactly is it and how does it never get messed up?
then again, that's just me hyping up the dude who trained the 4th and also took his son under his wing in hopes of him becoming a badass like his pops.
on that note, i wonder if sasuke realizes/knows how naruto's kage bushin work now? also, i like how naruto found him first and sasuke tried to draw first blood. man i hope naruto has had a few clones in the village this entire time training with gai, lee, neji, ten-ten, and everyone else who has something to offer him.
if sasuke tries to predict the movements of naruto, one of his clones could be off in the cut throwing mutiple weapons in places they would have normally missed... but are now hitting because sasuke is dodging naruto's attacks! of course this operates under the assumption that he doesn't know that naruto's clone exists in the first place and is too concerned with naruto trying to kyubi smash - so emokid doesn't notice the back attack. wouldn't it be some shit if this actually happened and (stretching it even further here) sasuke's eyes get stabbed/put out?
ha...
edit: in regards to "those who can't: teach", i'd like to say that it doesn't apply here. maybe in some cases, but not to J. he trained the 4th, who ended up training kakashi, who ended up training naruto and sasuke (to an extent). i'm not mentioning sakura because she was worthless until tsunade hooked her up.
besides that, how many battles has the dude been in? how many times has he almost died/hurt badly? twice. first occasion checking out the 5th's tits and the second was 4 tailed naruto. so him not even considering the battle that landed him the title of sanin a "serious encounter" should mean something.
edit mk2: the damned, i thought you said "oh, dear zod." i was pretty hyped until i re-read and saw the letter i previously missed. oh well, i'm going to give you rep just because i thought it was zod. lol.
Starhammer
09-24-2007, 11:18 AM
I used to think that a big theme of Naruto was indeed "Those who work hard can overcome those who are born genius." Rock Lee was the perfect example of this.
And then what happened? Rock has yet to win anything important. Sasuke was able to match and surpass what Rock worked YEARS at in only a month. He hasn't gotten to prove himself agaisnt Neji. He went ALL OUT and still got beasted by Gaara. He got drunk and was about to die and was saved by Gaara. He fought his own clone for hours. And he'd been knocked out of commission and only saved by a "Miracle surgery Jutsu."
So, in reality, the underlying moral is "No matter how hard you work, you will never surpass a genius." Sasuke is a genius. Naruto has the 9-tailed. Kakashi ninjad a Sharingan. Sakura was billed as a genius from the beginning. Shiki as well. Itachi has been on a pedistal from the beginning of the series.
Rock Lee, Ten Ten, Chouji... see a pattern here? They are not geniuses. 2/3 dont even put in hard work. Rock puts in hard work and fails.
So I argue that the famous "hard work" theme is indeed backwards. Genius > Hard Work according to this series.
man, the disrespect laid upon Rock lee's bushy brow is still one of the greatest tragedies of the entire series IMO. here you have a character who only wants to prove that, despite not being born from a genius family, not having some mutant eyeballs, not being possessed by some demon, gremlins, or other supernatural monsters, that he can STILL do the job. that job, of course, is being a ninja. of all places for this storyline to fail I never would've thought they would put him down like this in Japan, the country FAMOUS for weird shit and hard work. Instead, he gets dissed more than Sakura. FUCKING SAKURA!!!! :wtf: MAYBE Ten-ten gets it worse, but not sure. Thank GOD he's finally got one in the win collumn though. I mean, it's not impossible for a hard worker to get ahead. Look at Sasuke. yeah, he DOES have the broken-as-hell sharingan, but he also worked hard. Of course, he DOES have a goal that you just can't hope to complete by having ONE little advantage. Naruto works just as hard, but for some reason doesn't seem to progress as much as others. shikamaru, on the other hand, doesn't work as hard as most and seems to progress at the fastest level IMO. Gai? fergetabodit!! He kicks more ass than an old black woman with a house full of bad kids!! Then again, he's on the screen about as much as shino or hinata (my queen!! why kishimoto?? respect my QUEEN!!!!!) I personally hope that he (rock Lee) will beast in the manga soon. I'm talking an all-out, Bruce lee Pwning on someone's face. He's long overdue from some respect and I don't mean that lackluster mirror match either. they could've just skipped that whole damn thing IMO. all of team shino needs to be given some love, but they may yet get their due in the manga soon. Here's keeping my fingers crossed.
-Starhammer-
The hell, am I the only Sauske fan?
Like, this guy's motives seem pretty simple to me. Fuck, Naruto needs to give Sauske some space and let him ether his brother.
I think sasuke has been pretty cool and humble so far compared to being a emo when he was younger. I dont understand why some people still hate him at this point. He just does his shit
ViciousSLASH
09-24-2007, 11:47 AM
The hell, am I the only Sauske fan?
Like, this guy's motives seem pretty simple to me. Fuck, Naruto needs to give Sauske some space and let him ether his brother.
You and all of Japan man.
Sasuke would be cool if he didn't have a huge amount of plot hole no jutsu on his side.
lol at him healing fast after the Deidara fight because he has the white snake in him. How does that make sense, why couldn't Oro heal when he WAS THE FUCKING WHITE SNAKE. He spent the last 2/3s of his manga appearance in bed. He also had one of the top medical nin's in the entire series at his side the whole time.
You know what, I was going to say it did make sense, because Satorobi sealed his arms, but then I remembered the Naruto 4 tails heartless fight where he was doing Jutsu out the ass.
That is another plot hole. What a silly manga.
Bowza
09-24-2007, 12:45 PM
You and all of Japan man.
Sasuke would be cool if he didn't have a huge amount of plot hole no jutsu on his side.
lol at him healing fast after the Deidara fight because he has the white snake in him. How does that make sense, why couldn't Oro heal when he WAS THE FUCKING WHITE SNAKE. He spent the last 2/3s of his manga appearance in bed. He also had one of the top medical nin's in the entire series at his side the whole time.
You know what, I was going to say it did make sense, because Satorobi sealed his arms, but then I remembered the Naruto 4 tails heartless fight where he was doing Jutsu out the ass.
That is another plot hole. What a silly manga.
Its cuz thats not Oro's real body and its rejecting him. His actual one(the big snake) can repair itself pretty easily, like when Sasuke chopped it up into 3 big pieces he reassembled himself. Oro has to be careful about what bodies he goes into cuz the ones that aren't perfect will reject his ass, thats why they said that Kimimaro and Sasuke are the only real suitable vessels for him.
catchafire
09-24-2007, 12:50 PM
VS, your avatar is mad disturbing... It makes me want to puke everytime i'm sharinganed into staring at it...
SIMPLY_HUGO
09-24-2007, 01:16 PM
why does every team have a retard an badass and a girl??!?!??
Biolink
09-24-2007, 01:59 PM
Jiraiya's team had 2 badasses...And a badass girl
Tsunade says that Naruto only looks like his father,but acted like his mother did when she was young,so I'm going under the assumption that the 4th was the serious one in the relationship early on.
kane_warhead
09-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Does no one else in the village know Naruto is the son of the 4th?
ViciousSLASH
09-24-2007, 02:29 PM
Its cuz thats not Oro's real body and its rejecting him. His actual one(the big snake) can repair itself pretty easily, like when Sasuke chopped it up into 3 big pieces he reassembled himself. Oro has to be careful about what bodies he goes into cuz the ones that aren't perfect will reject his ass, thats why they said that Kimimaro and Sasuke are the only real suitable vessels for him.
Why does he even need a "body" when he can be a giant snake?
Couldn't he form a human body out of snakes?
He only wanted Kimimaro and Sasuke because of their bodies special properties. Sasuke's especially because of his goal to learn all of the worlds jutsu.
I mean the vessel he was in when he killed the 3rd was some random unknown girl.
I guess he needed to switch bodies because the third's jutsu would come back eventually regardless of what new body he took. Still, if he is the snake, and always was the snake, why does he need a new body?
Why was he a snake in the first place? Did he have a bijuu? ( or however you spell it ) I mean he was born in Konoha, and I'm sure someone would have know if two snakes had sex and then made a snake/human hybrid baby.
If Oro had/is a bijuu doesn't that mean Sasuke now is a jinkkusasiruiri? ( one of you will spell check that for me )
There are just so many holes in the plot, so many questions. Oh well, I'm looking forward to seeing Pein fight.
I really hope he's in a Deidara body right now.
Bowza
09-24-2007, 04:10 PM
Why does he even need a "body" when he can be a giant snake?
.
Well i guess cuz the dude loves his jutsu, and can't do them without any hands.
sainthuey
09-24-2007, 04:16 PM
I think oro has some fucked up condition due to his immortatlity jutsu that forces him to get a new body every what 3 years? i think it's ever 3 years he has to get a new vessel or else he'll die iirc.
wouldn't he still not be able to do jutsu even if he did get a new body, because technically his OG Soul has it's arms locked away by the death god, so theoretically wouldn't it always be that way or no?
ViciousSLASH
09-24-2007, 04:26 PM
I think oro has some fucked up condition due to his immortatlity jutsu that forces him to get a new body every what 3 years? i think it's ever 3 years he has to get a new vessel or else he'll die iirc.
wouldn't he still not be able to do jutsu even if he did get a new body, because technically his OG Soul has it's arms locked away by the death god, so theoretically wouldn't it always be that way or no?
He was doing Jutsu when he fought against Heartless Naruto, so the answer to that is no.
Let's just focus on the new plot holes instead of trying to understand the old ones.
I'm just happy we are going to get to see Jiraya fight, of course he is going to job out to pein but it should be entertaining. ( keyword is should ) Him juking Konan with his frog shadow feint/fireball combo was cool.
Power Man Fox
09-24-2007, 04:44 PM
Wouldn't sasuke's body just reject him after 3 years?
Starhammer
09-24-2007, 05:01 PM
Does no one else in the village know Naruto is the son of the 4th?
OMFG!!! :rofl: man, doen't it just KILL you how clueless the leaf village seems to be? the kids I can understand not knowing about naruto having the demon fox in him. I can let that slide. but DAMN! orochimaru invades the leaf village, and even with the advance warning from anko, NOBODY seemed to be prepared for what they KNEW was coming. Fucking ITACHI, with sharkboy on back-up, came to town. Nobody noticed that a guard was K.O.ed at the front gate? DAMN!! some security. I'd feel safer sleeping in the tiger cage. Don't even get me started on the sound five invasion. fucking Kakashi KNEW what was up with Sasuke and didn't say nothing? man. sometimes I think they run the place with their heads shoved up each others ass.
-Starhammer-
The Damned
09-24-2007, 05:07 PM
Wouldn't sasuke's body just reject him after 3 years?
No.
The power of the Sharingan bloodline is just that pimp.
Believe it!
nameingway: I was going to say that, but that's actually what I say nowadays. Between alternating between that and "ye Gods" and occasional slip back to the de facto American monotheism of "Oh God", "Dear Zord" seemed like a nice change of pace.
And lol at VS being completely right about even more obvious shit that I usually miss. Shows how much I care.
Speaking of care, since I still do to some degree obviously, I still have to ask this: Why does almost everyone keep referring to Pein as that third student? Couldn't he just have been some talentless hack that died or just basically the Ten-Ten of his group? Didn't only Konan called Jiraiya "Jiraiya-Sensei"?
catchafire
09-24-2007, 05:07 PM
OMFG!!! :rofl: man, doen't it just KILL you how clueless the leaf village seems to be? the kids I can understand not knowing about naruto having the demon fox in him. I can let that slide. but DAMN! orochimaru invades the leaf village, and even with the advance warning from anko, NOBODY seemed to be prepared for what they KNEW was coming. Fucking ITACHI, with sharkboy on back-up, came to town. Nobody noticed that a guard was K.O.ed at the front gate? DAMN!! some security. I'd feel safer sleeping in the tiger cage. Don't even get me started on the sound five invasion. fucking Kakashi KNEW what was up with Sasuke and didn't say nothing? man. sometimes I think they run the place with their heads shoved up each others ass.
-Starhammer-
Kind of reminds you of the US...
sainthuey
09-24-2007, 05:09 PM
OMFG!!! :rofl: man, doen't it just KILL you how clueless the leaf village seems to be? the kids I can understand not knowing about naruto having the demon fox in him. I can let that slide. but DAMN! orochimaru invades the leaf village, and even with the advance warning from anko, NOBODY seemed to be prepared for what they KNEW was coming. Fucking ITACHI, with sharkboy on back-up, came to town. Nobody noticed that a guard was K.O.ed at the front gate? DAMN!! some security. I'd feel safer sleeping in the tiger cage. Don't even get me started on the sound five invasion. fucking Kakashi KNEW what was up with Sasuke and didn't say nothing? man. sometimes I think they run the place with their heads shoved up each others ass.
-Starhammer-
well duh they have to keep it interesting:arazz:, konoha is so damn low tier it's to be expected.
capcomANDsnk
09-24-2007, 05:09 PM
Speaking of care, since I still do to some degree obviously, I still have to ask this: Why does almost everyone keep referring to Pein as that third student? Couldn't he just have been some talentless hack that died or just basically the Ten-Ten of his group? Didn't only Konan called Jiraiya "Jiraiya-Sensei"?
nah Pein called him "Jiraiya-sensei" too. then said murk that foo cuz i gots no love for him
The Damned
09-24-2007, 05:22 PM
nah Pein called him "Jiraiya-sensei" too. then said murk that foo cuz i gots no love for him
Not that I don't believe you, the Zoidberg avatar compels me to do so, but do you have link to the transcript or, preferably, a link to the picture of the panel where he says "Jiraiya-sensei".
I wonder where Azrael is? I vaguely remember that "-sensei" can be used for things other than actual teacher as with positions of similar great respect, like doctor IIRC, but it's been a while and I know that there is the "-sama" suffix as well.
Anyone? Bueller?
Green
09-24-2007, 05:22 PM
Having kage bunshins learn is a retarded addition. If it was possible then from the beginning all the ninja would be doing round-robin training, but nooooo
Same with the elemental cancelling and shit. Where the fuck does he get his drugs?
daydrinker
09-24-2007, 05:44 PM
Not that I don't believe you, the Zoidberg avatar compels me to do so, but do you have link to the transcript or, preferably, a link to the picture of the panel where he says "Jiraiya-sensei".
I wonder where Azrael is? I vaguely remember that "-sensei" can be used for things other than actual teacher as with positions of similar great respect, like doctor IIRC, but it's been a while and I know that there is the "-sama" suffix as well.
Anyone? Bueller?
http://www.narutofob.com/viewer/index.php?_main_category=1&subcategory=9236
page 11
Dhalsimowns
09-24-2007, 05:54 PM
Its cuz thats not Oro's real body and its rejecting him. His actual one(the big snake) can repair itself pretty easily, like when Sasuke chopped it up into 3 big pieces he reassembled himself. Oro has to be careful about what bodies he goes into cuz the ones that aren't perfect will reject his ass, thats why they said that Kimimaro and Sasuke are the only real suitable vessels for him.
What happened to kimi again? He had lukemia or some disease right?
Guy was cool.
Kisame
09-24-2007, 06:13 PM
Having kage bunshins learn is a retarded addition. If it was possible then from the beginning all the ninja would be doing round-robin training, but nooooo
yeah that bullshit about not having enough chakra to make as many as naruto. Even if you can do 2 kage bunshins you can have them practicing moves while you sleep and stuff.
And most ninjas arent the retard naruto is so that would be broken.
The jitsu Naruto uses for Kage Bunshins is a different one than everyone elses. Thats why it was hidden away when that guy had Naruto steal it in the earlier episodes. I'm pretty sure Kakashi explained it to Naruto before his training began.
no its not
the only difference is the amount
Dj-DarK
09-24-2007, 06:19 PM
The jitsu Naruto uses for Kage Bunshins is a different one than everyone elses. Thats why it was hidden away when that guy had Naruto steal it in the earlier episodes. I'm pretty sure Kakashi explained it to Naruto before his training began.
sainthuey
09-24-2007, 06:47 PM
What happened to kimi again? He had lukemia or some disease right?
Guy was cool.
he's still alive IIRC garra sealed him off in that sand, but then he appeared at the top but seemed to be exhausted
The Epidemic
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
^Kimi is definetly dead...nigga had aids yo.
Kisame
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
no he died right before he could give the finishing blow his disease from his bloodline caused him to calcify.
ViciousSLASH
09-24-2007, 06:52 PM
he's still alive IIRC garra sealed him off in that sand, but then he appeared at the top but seemed to be exhausted
He died.
That last bone forrest attack was it. His Boneiti