Naruto 7.0

[The Epidemic]

*cues One Winged Angel*

*Super Nova in 3 turns*

[Atomic #]

^ Man, if Hinata comes out as Tifa and TenTen runs around stealing materia, with Naruto as a spikey haired Emo kid holding a gigantic blade, this series is over lol

Maybe thats the prophecy that Jiraya was talking about... how Naruto's rights got sold to Square - Enix...

[ElderGOD]

Ahh back at it eh Kisame? I speak Japanese and NO he doesn't say he's Madara, he says "This power, my power, Uchiha Madara's power"

I for one am of the school that believe Tobi IS Madara but believe both sides should be heard.

^ I was about to conclude that most posters here were either unschooled 5 year olds or retards, your post made me change my mind.

[DarthTrey]

Is the new scanlation out yet? HMM HMM??

[4neqs]

Watching the ep, damn it's good to finally see Grand Theft Shino in animated form.

Also

http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kgroovehinatawz2.png

:rofl: So. Red. Obviously, it's her weakest groove though.

[ElderGOD]

http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kgroovehinatawz2.png

:rofl: So. Red. Obviously, it's her weakest groove though.

Red = watch out for that lvl3

[str[e]ak]

:rofl: k-groove hinata. except, she's not raged.

[Azrael]

K-Groove Hinata isn't angry, she's horny. Now have fun imagining what her super might be.

...Wait, how old is Time-Skip Hinata? At least 17 right?

[Wil]

LOL, that has to be K-Groove Hinata because if she was S-Groove, her sidestep would be useless with those floatation devices of hers.

[SaiST]

...Wait, how old is Time-Skip Hinata? At least 17 right?
She's fifteen (http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051107/051107_chris_hanson_vsml_9a.vsmall.jpg).

[urahara]

Spoiler image time ya'll! We'll get the Jojo Raw shortly

Image 1 (http://www.narutomania.com/forums/attachments/forum11/13952d1194608964-b_03bc266955b38253b69634610b56d958.jpg)
Image 2 (http://www.narutomania.com/forums/attachments/forum11/13953d1194608978-b_197b670c5a3a647128267140031f7f09.jpg)
Image 3 (http://www.narutomania.com/forums/attachments/forum11/13954d1194608987-b_b13d80b0068a73cd716ded560d72705b.jpg)
Image 4 (http://www.narutomania.com/forums/attachments/forum11/13955d1194608995-b_55798a44e9804685a15d174f00c697d1.jpg)

[Rooks4]

Ahh back at it eh Kisame? I speak Japanese and NO he doesn't say he's Madara, he says "This power, my power, Uchiha Madara's power"

I for one am of the school that believe Tobi IS Madara but believe both sides should be heard.

Im guessing it's not your first language. Let's break it down, by people from Japan who speak japanese as their first language.


Quote: Originally Posted by HisshouBuraiKen
The person in the Tobi mask at the end of 364 is, without question, Uchiha Madara.

Whether he is also the same goofball we all know and love, or if said goofball was just copying his look, remains to be seen.

Ji endo.



If anyone decides to use this translation for scanlating, I suggest the group retain the following explanatory note. Originally, I'd stated the line above was terminated in mid sentence, Nihongaeri's take on it (see his post below) made infinitely more sense than my own (God bless him!). Anyhow, basically what the character is saying is that once Akatsuki achieves its objective, Sharingan shall regain its original, ostensibly more powerful form, and thus, so will he, Uchiha Madara. In other words, among the things which will regain their original form are the Sharingan's true power and his own. 全てが本来の形に戻るのだ。, where 全て ＝写輪眼の本当の力やうちはマダラの力など。As for whether or not the character speaking is Uchiha Madara, as to this, there is no doubt. This part, このうちはマダラの力, has been construed by some to mean "this power, the power of Uchiha Madara." They're reading it like this: この　うちはマダラの力。The way they should be reading it is like this: このうちはマダラの　力。When この precedes the name of a person (in this case, Uchiha Madara), the person referenced is the speaker himself. It's a way for the speaker to indicate that he or she is a real big deal (in his or her mind, anyway). And no, it's not a "vague" sentence, or one which could be read both ways: the way we're indicating here is the only way to interpret the sentence, at least as far as whether the speaker is Uchiha Madara or not. Whether Madara is possessing someone else's body or if Tobi's just a robot through which his voice comes out,is another matter altogether.


(I don't have the language packs installed on this PC, so they might not look right...)

Notice, that's 3 japanese translators who's FIRST LANGUAGE is Japanese (Im not 100% sure about that on Iwanin, but Im pretty sure) that are stating there is absolutely NO DOUBT That Madara = Tobi.

Also, the CORRECT translation of that line is as follows:

Page 18.

Uchiha Madara.

写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

Sharingan will regain its true power... as will I, Uchiha Madara*!


At first I was bitching here about how goddamn stubborn you are - but instead I'll be nicer.. It's probably beacuse you are mistranslating like other people were... So hopefully this clears it up for you :)

(Here is a direct link to the entire discussion/post by Hexa on Mangahelpers which breaks it down.)
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16133

/QED

[urahara]

Im guessing it's not your first language. Let's break it down, by people from Japan who speak japanese as their first language.

I'm guessing English isn't yours? I don't claim to be fluent, however that's how I interpret it and I certainly am not alone. Let's not degrade it into the retarded internet argument and as I have stated I do believe Tobi is Madara, in some way, we'll find out how eventually.

このうちはマダラの力

Is the line that caused all the speculation in the first place, to break it down to those that don't know any Japanese

この - Kono, equivalently "this" in English
うちは - Kana for Uchiha
マダラ - Kana for Madara

の力 - The first symbol is the Kana for No, a particle word that implies ownership. The second the Kanji for power.

So in the literal sense it's translated as I stated "This, Uchiha Madara's Power" or "This power, Uchiha Madara's power"

The problem, and indeed where the speculation arose is the use of Kono, when used before a name in Japanese it's a way of speaking about themselves SO if it's
このうちはマダラの力 Then he is calling himself Uchiha Madara
if it's
この うちはマダラの力 Then it's as I said.

***DISCLAIMER***

At the end you stating it's probably me mistranslating and say you were only bitching at the start, very true however I simply like to see people discuss than the great Kisame bust in on a thread with a theory and since he believes it it's gospel.

I could be wrong, my Japanese is certainly not amazing but the sort of "arguments" going on in this thread belong on some place like Narutofan, it won't surprise me in the least when this thread degrades to "OMG *** SASUKE IS THE BEST! HE COULD BEAT JIRAYA EASY!"


In the meantime, let's just enjoy some new pics eh?
Image 1 (http://our.3320.net/land/uploads/2007/11/09/post-2-1194614355.jpg)
Image 2 (http://our.3320.net/land/uploads/2007/11/09/post-2-1194614383.jpg)
Image 3 (http://our.3320.net/land/uploads/2007/11/09/post-2-1194614408.jpg)

[Rooks4]

heheh word - i was trying to point out that as you said, it IS a mistranslation.


このうちはマダラの力 Then he is calling himself Uchiha Madara


that's what it is, as stated above in the quotes I posted. Anyhows - it doesn't really matter :) And let's pray the OMG TEH SASKUE IS SO AWESOME DIS MANGA IS ABOUT SHARINSASUKE NARUTO SUX LOLZ never happens in this thread.

Pics are nice :)

[Kisame]

since its obvious he is madara. any one who thought otherwise should read something thats a little more their level.

[ReggieHadoken]

http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kgroovehinatawz2.png

:rofl: So. Red. Obviously, it's her weakest groove though.



Ha ha ha!! Naruto IS Hinata's Kryptonite. He's just so unblockable. Oh that scene is even better in the anime than in the manga! Cheers! :lovin:

[urahara]

since its obvious he is madara. any one who thought otherwise should read something thats a little more their level.

Exactly what I mean, something a little more their level? Naruto is hardly an intellectual manga...

[DarthTrey]

Exactly what I mean, something a little more their level?


Dr Seuss might fit the bill there :sweat:

[Markudea]

Here's episode 33 (SUBBED):
- http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/NARUTO+SHIPPUDEN+33+SUB/video/x3fjxi_naruto-shippuden-33-vosta_fun

[DarthTrey]

^^^^ Thanks for the link


AHH HINATA HOW DO I LOVE THEE? LET ME COUNT THE WAYS :S

[Reno]

Notice, that's 3 japanese translators who's FIRST LANGUAGE is Japanese (Im not 100% sure about that on Iwanin, but Im pretty sure) that are stating there is absolutely NO DOUBT That Madara = Tobi.

Sigh. If you're going to argue, don't blatantly lie. HisshouBuraiken is not a native Japanese speaker. He's said so himself if you look at his profile thread. (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103) This also goes for Nihongaeri (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5545) and Iwanin (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299). All of them have studied Japanese and are very good in Japanese. I am also on that MangaHelpers site translating Naruto and other manga, under the handle itsumobasho (and hey look, I'm the first person they reference in that thread you posted! :p), but none of us are native Japanese speakers. I don't know where you got the idea that any of those three guys were actually Japanese guys translating manga into English. :p

And I'll say right now, you can't make any conclusions either way about whether or not Tobi = Madara or Madara is possessing Tobi's body or whatever based on TWO FUCKING lines of text. There is no doubt that Tobi right now is Madara. There is no debating that.

However there is a lot of vagueness as to whether or not Madara is just using Tobi's body or his current body is the one he's had his entire life, or some other random ass plotline that has yet to be constructed. This is the point of contention and it can't be explained either way based on two lines of dialogue.

[Starhammer]

K-Groove Hinata isn't angry, she's horny. Now have fun imagining what her super might be.

...Wait, how old is Time-Skip Hinata? At least 17 right?

Settle down beavis!! she's not legal yet.

-Starhammer-

[Azrael]

She's fifteen (http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051107/051107_chris_hanson_vsml_9a.vsmall.jpg).
Oh fuck?

Ah, but I live in Japan, so it's okay. Most Japanese guys will probably just applaud my taste in women. And when you factor in the big ol titties = game over. All bets are off with big titties in Japan. She could be 8 and everybody would be like "Good job, soldier!"

This is the saddest thing I've ever posted.

AHH HINATA HOW DO I LOVE THEE? LET ME COUNT THE WAYS :S
1...2..........Yep.

[catchafire]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/w2flig

[urahara]

Thanks Catcha ^^
It's this weeks Raw btw people
Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.com/files/68576931/Naruto_377_raw__kylara_.zip)
Mega (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6IJBRCZD)
Incase you don't like Sendspace

[catchafire]

That was a nice chapter. Seems though that they haven't really gotten "started" yet though, just warming up...

[noodleman]

the Rasengan Drought is finally over!

[catchafire]

Page 1:
Text: Two more men appear, both possessing the Rin'negan! Who...WHAT are they?!

Page 2:
Title: 377 - Hermit Mode

Blue Text: 8th anniversary special color poster
Red text: Feel my thoughts, and my emotions.

Page　3:
Pa frog: Three?! Three people with the Rin'negan?!
Jiraiya: There must be some trick behind his jutsu...
Ma Frog: This had ta happen right around dinner...now we're gonna be here all night.

Pa Frog: Forget dinner, ma! We gotta focus on the enemy here!
Ma Frog: ExCUSE me?!

Jiraiya: Time for me to make my move!
Prepare for the full Hermit-Mode pre-fight ritual!

Prepare for the force of my ninjutsu, backed with the ultimate senjutsu! [H: Hermit Techniques]
Behold the brilliant glow of my angelic halo!

SFX: CLACK

Jiraiya: THE GALLANT JIRAIYA-

Page 4:
Ma frog: Quit shoutin' in my ear, dangit!
Pa frog: Quit shoutin' in my ear, dangit!
Jiraiya: Ghg-
SFX: THWACK

Jiraiya: Aaaaaagh-
Why does someone always have to ruin my poses?!

Page 5:
Ma frog: Let's hurry up 'n finish this, kid!
I gotta put dinner on!

Pa frog: Wouldja forget dinner, Ma?! We gotta worry about this guy's eyes!
Stay focused! He can use the most powerful eye techniques in the world!

Ma frog: Shut yer yap!
I'm the one makin' dinner every day! It's tough bein' a housewife, ya know!!
Ya senile old fart!

Pa frog: The hell's your problem, woman?!
Here I am worryin' about ya and yer still mouthin' off!

Jiraiya: I wish THEY'D quit shouting in MY ears...
SFX: Blah blah blah

SFX: Dash

Page 6:
SFX: CRACK

SFX: SKRRRRRRRK

Pain: Very nice.
SFX: BAM

Page 7：　　
SFX: Crumble crumble

Jiraiya: Enough with the marital strife!
It's time to take him down!

Ma frog: Fine, I'll just fry somethin' up.
Kid, you bring the oil. Pa, you fan the flames! [H: Haha, nice!]

Jiraiya: Sounds good!
Pa frog: Yeah!
SFX: Clap clap

SFX: Shwuuuuuuu

Page 8:
Jiraiya: Hermit's Art - Deep Fryer! [H: Senpou - Goemon (A Goemon-buro is a bath heated with firewood from beneath)
SFX: FWOOOOOOOOOM

SFX: FWOOOOOM

Page 9:
SFX: Swip

SFX: FWOOOSH, Shuuuuu

SFX: Shuuuuuu, Tak

Page 10:
SFX: Shuuuuuuu

Jiraiya: He got rid of the oil?
Ma frog: More like he ate it.
Pa Frog: Looks like he's got some tricks up his sleeve, too.

SFX: Fwip

SFX: Snap, Skidddd

Page 11:
Jiraiya: Then we'll figure it out through close combat.
SFX: Squeeze

SFX: KROOM

SFX: Clack

Page 12:
Jiraya: ULTIMATE RASENGAN!

SFX: ZZZZZZZNG

Page 13:
SFX: ZZNN

SFX: KYUUUUZZZNNNN

Jiraiya: Damnit, he absorbed the entire attack?!
That's how the oil...

Ma Frog: 6 o'clock!

SFX: Clench

Page 14:
SFX: POOF

SFX: Swip
Pa Frog: We got his back!

SFX: THWAP

SFX: THWAP

Jiraiya: W-what?!
He can't even see my hermit mode attacks, and he's still...

Page 15:
SFX: Leap

SFX: Taka

Jiraiya: Hermit's Art - Hair Needle Barrage! (Senpou - Kebari Senbon)

Page 16:
SFX: POOF

SFX: Skid, Poof

Page 17:
SFX: Tap

Jiraiya: He doesn't make a single wasted movement.
The attack came directly from behind...He should've tried to dodge it, but he instead he summoned a shield to protect his back.

But...how is he doing it? Not once, but twice...

Without speaking or making eye contact...
Even if all three are chakra-sensing types, without actually seeing the attacks, they shouldn't be able to defend themselves so efficiently.

And the Hair Needle Barrage is my fastest attack that covers such a wide range...

Page 18:
Jiraiya: His only possible defense would've been to use a shield, and he did just that.
But he made the decision without even seeing the attack.

Pa Frog: Them guys ain't just regular clones. huh?
Guess that's whatcha meant when the was some trick to 'em, eh Jiraiya-chan?

You noticed it yet?
Jiraiya: Noticed what?

When we got that guy from behind earlier,
we were in his blind spot, and you came in swingin'.

The whole time, the other guys were watchin' very carefully.

Jiraiya: Yes, I noticed that too...

Page 19:
Jiraiya: And yet, they didn't make a sound, didn't look at each other,
didn't look like they gave any signal at all.

Pa Frog: Then...it must be their eyes! They all got the same eyes!
If all three of them are watchin' the same target...

Jiraiya: Then they all see the target from all three points of view simultaneously...
So THAT'S it...

Pa Frog: Yep...Prob'ly.

..But what...what ARE they?!


Translation from Hishibouraiken (NF)

[Rooks4]

Snip

Hmm, i've been part of that site for... ever? :P and I was pretty sure Hissou and Nihon were japanese.. My mistake - I suppose making an assumption based on reading their threads for the past 350 chapters or so confused me :)

Either way, it's a non-issue at this point :) Thanks for clearing it up anyways :)

[ShinAkumax]

And Pein is taking orders from Sharinga man, geez.

[catchafire]

And Pein is taking orders from Sharinga man, geez.

This is the Naruto post of the day. Seriously...

How the hell can Pain be so beastly? Makes you wonder just how strong Madara is.

[Kisame]

spirit bomb : rasengan mode

all we need is the kamehamesengan and all is complete

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Pein reminds me of the "flute girl" powered up. I forget her name atm, but she is one of the characters i liked alot..


tayuna or something like that....

she>pein as far as coolness imo

[DarthTrey]

Cigarette smoking Shikamaru Trumps all in the realm of coolness. imho

[Kisame]

tayuna or something like that....

she>pein as far as coolness imo

tayuya. yeah she was cool. loved her moveset. too bad temari put it on her.

[noodleman]

This is the Naruto post of the day. Seriously...

How the hell can Pain be so beastly? Makes you wonder just how strong Madara is.
well, if Mandara was there...you'd get instant MS -> death....Pain just puts some excitement into the fights.

[Markudea]

Here's chapter 377 (TRANSLATED):
- http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-377/page001.html

[DarthTrey]

Here's chapter 377 (TRANSLATED):
- http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-377/page001.html


:pray:

Thank you kindly sir

[The Damned]

Ugh. I wish something would actually happen in this fight so that Jiraiya can die and I can stop paying attention to this abomination of a comic book.

Seriously, though, even though we finally get to see Jiraiya's "full power", it's currently rather underwhelming. The same with Pain, though that's less surprising. The only thing that we've seen him do that know no else has done is Summon multiple things with rapidity. Otherwise, all we have right now is him having a ghetto Byakugan/Sharingan that he needs two other bodies to utilize.

Color me impressed. :rolleyes:

[Gasp]

how old is temari?

:)

[Asura]

Old enough for that homicidal scythe wielding ferret to pull a Chris Hansen on you.

[Gasp]

oh hey shes 18 after time skip, and she's "fully developed"

so now i have to cope with digging a cartoon girl but HEY at least she's legal.

[capcomANDsnk]

dope chapter. glad jiraiya's def goin out w/ a bang.

[KomboKaze]

Good Chap.But could have been better...Too much talking for a manga.

[The Epidemic]

Good Chap.But could have been better...Too much talking for a manga.

:confused:
i take it you dont read much manga then...

[Power Man Fox]

:sad:
Dam, jiraiya has the cards stacked against him. DBZ type guy who absorbs energy/ jutsu attacks.
*usually the only way against this type of opponet is while their absorbing an attack, attack them. Only pein and his summon are standing pretty close to him.*

3 guys 3 pairs of eye's all sharing everything the see :sad:
*jiraiya is going to have to break them up to stand any kind of chance.*

Pein still has more bodies/ high level ninja in reserve.

[Starhammer]

Oh fuck?

Ah, but I live in Japan, so it's okay. Most Japanese guys will probably just applaud my taste in women. And when you factor in the big ol titties = game over. All bets are off with big titties in Japan. She could be 8 and everybody would be like "Good job, soldier!"

This is the saddest thing I've ever posted.




damn. How could I have forgotten that? To the japanese, she's been legal since first grade.

I've made my soul sad.

-Starhammer-

[Starhammer]

Here's chapter 377 (TRANSLATED):
- http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-377/page001.html

aw dayum!! I knew this was gonna be good, but I didn't expect it to be THIS good. how's Jiraiya gonna get out of this? it's a three-on-one against a man who has NEVER been known to lose. Will he make it?

-Starhammer-

[Pryde]

wow, the new episode was pretty hilarious. the animation looks crisp like it was back in the days. LOLz @ shino for sulking.

[Starhammer]

LOL. All of team shino is wearing even BIGGER hot ass jackets now. even akamaru's fur has gotten longer. at least they're ready to go when winter hits.

-Starhammer-

[Million]

Shino looks like a terrorist now.

*I took a brief glimpse at what's going on currently in the manga...what happened to the "ninja content" of this story? We're dealing with transformations now? Naruto has apparently DBZed itself even more than it already was with this craziness. Jirayia looks ridiculous in that form. Thanks for that translated manga link, btw...I may read up to current chapters eventually, even though I typically prefer to watch things in animated presentation.

Hinata still gets moist and passes out just from the presence of Naruto....and the dumbass still hasn't figured out what he's supposed to do with this situation.

Sai has the power an artist truly dreams of. I'd certainly kill to have that ability.(Art major twice over...I've been drawing and into art since before kindergarten.)

[ElderGOD]

any one who thought otherwise should read something thats a little more their level.

You can go read the bottom of my foot while I stomp all over on your homeless face kid.



...


...



...


I mistranslated as well... oh wells, thanks for your inputs.




Sai has the power an artist truly dreams of. I'd certainly kill to have that ability

What if he draws the 4th Hokage, that power seems kind of broken.

[catchafire]

:confused:
i take it you dont read much manga then...

that's exactly what I was thinking... :rofl:

[ReggieHadoken]

My first time seeing a Naruto Shippu ep. Pretty good. The Japanese voice for Hinata sounds remarkably similar to Stephanie Sheh, the American VA for Hinata. Ha, Naruto was all serious with Hinata. "Okay, Hinata, shut up and come with me!" From the redness on her face, you'd think she thought he wanted to take her back to his apartment. :rofl: Again, how Naruto can ever be into Sakura with a babe like Hinata around just baffles me. I mean, the girl ONLY has eyes for Naruto. He's the love of her life. Gah. Kishi, please break the trend and put these two together or I will go to Japan an shove a kunai up your anus.

And wow, Sai is the whitest white boy I have ever seen. He has Mikeo Whacko Jackson beat.

[AlphaDragoon02]

I mean, the girl ONLY has eyes for Naruto. He's the love of her life. Gah. Kishi, please break the trend and put these two together or I will go to Japan an shove a kunai up your anus.

What you mean to say is, "Please trade one stereotype for another", because this one has happened JUST AS MUCH in anime/manga.

Either way it goes it's an anime cliche. Kishi seems to be picking the one he favors, I guess.

[Kisame]

You can go read the bottom of my foot while I stomp all over on your homeless face kid.
one would presume that would be pretty hard as the illiteracy rate amongst homeless is pretty high, especially homeless children.

[The_Dragon]

Sakura with Rock Lee, Hinata with Kiba, and Naruto with Sasuke. That will eliminate the anime stereotypes once and for all.

[Kisame]

Sakura with Rock Lee, Hinata with Kiba, and Naruto with Sasuke. That will eliminate the anime stereotypes once and for all.

the loser getting the girl, the girl going out with someone who has always been close and realized he was the right one all along and yaoi?

[AlphaDragoon02]

Sakura with Rock Lee, Hinata with Kiba, and Naruto with Sasuke. That will eliminate the anime stereotypes once and for all.

Yeah, that'd pretty much be the only way to make it non-stereotypical. :rofl:

Although if you prefer your Naruto to not be gay he could simply end up with nobody, or with someone he meets later on in his life. But....since it's gonna be Sakura the whole argument is moot. :razz:

[mcginnis]

In the end Sasuke will probably die or do some sort of cliched sacrifice to save naruto or sakura. Sakura may end up with Naruto and Hinata with kiba

[Dhalsimowns]

Sasuke will decieve Madara after helping him complete his plans, and defeat him in battle and take his power and position in order to become stonger than naruto.

Then the series will end with Sasuke and Naruto round 2 at the valley of the end where they both kill each other in for their own morals and ideals and the example of it ushers in a new age of shinobi.

Kakashi will takeover as hokage and Konohamaru will be teh up and coming cha,p for his generation empowered by the standard naruto set and whatever related statue they make to honor Naruto/Sasuke/thier fight/what they stood for.

A new leaf will bloom, or the a bird will fly through a sunset or Kakashi will sit on his hokage chair and ruminate like the ending of conan, or somthing cliche as the final credits roll.

[capcomANDsnk]

do you have any idea how much kids in Japan loves Sasuke? that fooo will not die, he's consistently the most popular character.

naruto will be hokage. undisputable truth. this is...after all a manga!

[Dj-DarK]

do you have any idea how much kids in Japan loves Sasuke? that fooo will not die, he's consistently the most popular character.


Seriously. Hes probably more popular now with his showing against Deidara and random BS against Itachi.

[The Epidemic]

Iruka is very popular over there too for some reason....and he hasnt done shit.

[4neqs]

yaoi doujins

[Dhalsimowns]

I wonder if the muppets will die fighting with Jiraiya or pull and Enma and be like,
" eh...this sucks, sry man we're gonna poof outta here."

[gemdoom]

damn man what are they doing to 114. im thinking they might mess up on the emotional parts *sigh* :/

[Dhalsimowns]

Ok, who thinks Pein could have beat the 4th?
I am starting to believe in it. Pein is too much.

[Kisame]

Shodai, Sandaime, Madara, Pein all better than the fourth in my rankings.

he was the greatest hokage while sandaime was the strongest. He was the "greatest" for subduing a beats both madara and shodai could make their bitches.

[AlphaDragoon02]

Shodai, Sandaime, Madara, Pein all better than the fourth in my rankings.

he was the greatest hokage while sandaime was the strongest. He was the "greatest" for subduing a beats both madara and shodai could make their bitches.

Except we never got to see Minato actually fight anyone badass. And the guys he DID fight got destroyed in short order without so much as a shortness of breath. And well, when every goddamn village in the world has a "run on sight" notice with his fucking picture next to it, you'd have to think he's a guy you DON'T wanna fuck with, look at wrong, or even run into. Period.

Now Pein could be as bad as he is, but again...we don't know.

[Kisame]

the villages had a run on sight for everyone with sharingan if your alone. They were just scared of anyone with anything basically.

[AlphaDragoon02]

the villages had a run on sight for everyone with sharingan if your alone. They were just scared of anyone with anything basically.

It was more of an, "oh shit this guy has Sharingan" but never anything official. ITACHI had the "run on sight if you're alone" notice, because he's just that dude.

But Minato had a "run on sight" notice, not a "run if you're alone". As in, GET THE FUCK OUTTA THERE if you see him coming no matter how many of you there are. As in 50 to 100 ninja dead in a couple minutes by the same kunai. Not to mention they were all Jounin-class.

He's just "the guy". The guy in an anime/manga series who dominates everybody and is regarded as unfuckwithable. For examples, see Hiko Seijuro in Rurouni Kenshin.

[Kisame]

nah it was uchiha's in general. Chiyo clarified on it.

And Sasuke dealt with 1k fodder ninjas and didnt even try and kill anyway and didnt get touched. Fighting no named ninjas is easily done.

[Dhalsimowns]

I think the 4th could have beat anyone except Pein, cause Pein seems too godly now. Ya, he is THE guy that cant be fucked with.

I mean, he taught Jiraiya the Rasengan. If he invented it imagine how powerful his was. Flash + Rasengan in the back is death. Teleporting alone is broken.

Pein however, doesnt fight fair.

[UnCauzi]

nah it was uchiha's in general. Chiyo clarified on it.

And Sasuke dealt with 1k fodder ninjas and didnt even try and kill anyway and didnt get touched. Fighting no named ninjas is easily.

QFT. You can kill a million fodder ninjas and I wouldn't be impressed. Shit kill an entire country if I don't know the name of anyone in the country who cares. (aka Sasori) Someone could eat a fucking planet if that planet doesn't have a history of badasses on it, it really doesn't matter.

I'm kind of alone in this but imo, if you don't see a fight no matter how "miraculous"
it's supposed to have been. That shit don't matter either. There's too much shit in mangas that make me "?" followed by "!" all MGS style to make me buy into the hype.

Unseen battles don't mean shit, and neither do nameless fighters imo.

[Markudea]

What bothers me is how will Naruto defeat Pain and Madara in his current state. Naruto needs the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in order to catch up and defeat these guys (I hope something like that is in the warehouse that Jiraiya left to him). With that being stated, we'll have to watch Naruto (once again) defeat people that he shouldn't have. Kishi's going to have to make Naruto broken than ever before in order to win his future battles.

[mcginnis]

well in naruto's case since he has the Nine Tails I think he can virtually defeat anyone IMO. That's one of the only ways that I see him beating Pain by just finally being able to control all the Nine Tails without any negative effects.

[The Damned]

Sasuke will decieve Madara after helping him complete his plans, and defeat him in battle and take his power and position in order to become stonger than naruto.

...He's already much stronger than Naruto from what we've seen. I figure you mean after Naruto's bog standard power-ups come into play, but Naruto's usually gotten pretty shafted along those lines. See: Time-skip training with Jiraiya, verboten Rasengan: Fuuton use.

Iruka is very popular over there too for some reason....and he hasnt done shit.

Sodomy.

Seriously, I have no idea why he's popular though. I think it's just because he's first adult male that showed up in the anime besides Kakashi and he's one of the better looking ones. I'm sure that J-Girls like goofy characters do and the ass never does anything except for other assholes.

...God I hate Romance.

Ok, who thinks Pein could have beat the 4th?
I am starting to believe in it. Pein is too much.

Who thinks a stupid question will never be answered, especially since we haven't seen Pain do shit yet?

*entire thread raises hand*

Now Pein could be as bad as he is, but again...we don't know.

And we never will. I normally like to play theory fighter, but considering how manga tends to be a lot more nebulous "power level"-wise than it's American counterparts if it isn't just total slaughter--see DBZ--with there being no chance of one side winning, will never know.

We will also probably never learn more about the Fourth or all about Pain because the manga's shitty like that and the former's already served his purpose now that we know he's Naruto's father.

Someone could eat a fucking planet if that planet doesn't have a history of badasses on it, it really doesn't matter.

Must you hate on Galactus?

With that being stated, we'll have to watch Naruto (once again) defeat people that he shouldn't have. Kishi's going to have to make Naruto broken than ever before in order to win his future battles.

...Aren't those two sentence complete contradictions? I mean, I agree with you that kids shouldn't be beating "SO UBER HAX WE DESTROYED THE BINGO BOOK" post-Kage level ninja, but you're saying that you would think it's hax for him to train and actually beat someone one through competent training that makes him "broken" (read: more powerful than them)?

...Okay.

well in naruto's case since he has the Nine Tails I think he can virtually defeat anyone IMO. That's one of the only ways that I see him beating Pain by just finally being able to control all the Nine Tails without any negative effects.

I may be the only one that thinks this, but I think the most that Naruto can go is Eight Tails.

I seems to me that if he ever "popped" the ninth tail, his entire body would just dissolve and release the Kyuubi since that seal rather's malleable and the tails are sign of influence on the Host.


Meh. Someone PM me if that happens.

*goes off to read better manga*

[Kisame]

other jinuchuurki seemed to be able to use the full tail mode even elemental avatars of the demons inside of them

naruto should be able to as well once his body learns to contain it.

[The Damned]

other jinuchuurki seemed to be able to use the full tail mode even elemental avatars of the demons inside of them

naruto should be able to as well once his body learns to contain it.

...All two of them? I can only remember Gaara and the Cat Girl that got pwned by Hidan-Kakuzu a.k.a. The Only Team To actually Kill Someone.

It's possible, but considering that both Gaara and Cat Girl's transformations didn't appear to be a state of actively flaying them alive constantly and Kyuubi's chakra is supposed to be extremely horrible, I don't think that going Nine Tails, even with controls, would be a great idea.

...Of course, I'm expecting some consistency from Kishimoto that goes with what been shown so far and what's been implied, a consistency that has really shown with anything else in the manga other than "A POWER IS POWERFUL" and "SHARIGAN IZ DAT KK GENKY!"

[Markudea]

...Aren't those two sentence complete contradictions? I mean, I agree with you that kids shouldn't be beating "SO UBER HAX WE DESTROYED THE BINGO BOOK" post-Kage level ninja, but you're saying that you would think it's hax for him to train and actually beat someone one through competent training that makes him "broken" (read: more powerful than them)?

Imo, there won't be no training that'll be competent in order for Naruto to defeat people like Pain and Madara. Pain and Madara are on another level that many can't reach and to see Naruto defeat either of these guys will be nothing but nonsense. Naruto hasn't defeated Sasuke once, and, in the future, he may have the opportunity to challenge Madara Uchiha and win (because its his show) is unthinkable, not to mention Pain and his "godly" eyes. I want you to be honest with me, with Naruto's current condition, do you think that any training he may have in the future would close the power gap between him, Madara, and Pain? Think about the limited amount of time that he has, the fact that he don't want to use the Kyubbi's chakra anymore, and what he was last seen doing in the manga.

[Rodimus]

Damn you guys are having a great convo on Pein and the 4th. Sorry Ive been running around and shit. Trying to clear bills and clean up debt.

I haven't even watched any anime yet. but i did get a chance to read 377.

Which was great IMO. I dont know how this is gonna play out. Maybe with Jiraiya catchin an L but, Jiraiya is doing his thing.

Pein is just chillin like I got this whole fight on lock down! Jiraiya might do something to distort Pein's Vision but i dont think that shit will work either.

Plenty of times in 377 i was like finally Jiraiya gets a hit off--nope. This guy just chillin and his clones not saying shit just stopping attacks b4 they get out of hand.

To add to the current topic, Pein vs 4th would be the best fight in manga history. both of these dudes are Aizen type broken. So who knows. I think the 4th could win, but if he doesn't come correct from jump then its ggpo!

So right now for the story line to advance, Jiraiya has to catch an L. Then shift scene to the Uchiha brothers. Then maybe just maybe dare i say we see Naruto reappear in his own Manga.

[Keits]

Imo, there won't be no training that'll be competent in order for Naruto to defeat people like Pain and Madara. Pain and Madara are on another level that many can't reach and to see Naruto defeat either of these guys will be nothing but nonsense. Naruto hasn't defeated Sasuke once, and, in the future, he may have the opportunity to challenge Madara Uchiha and win (because its his show) is unthinkable, not to mention Pain and his "godly" eyes. I want you to be honest with me, with Naruto's current condition, do you think that any training he may have in the future would close the power gap between him, Madara, and Pain? Think about the limited amount of time that he has, the fact that he don't want to use the Kyubbi's chakra anymore, and what he was last seen doing in the manga.

Clone training is broke. Naruto can get 100 years of experience, even if it is subpar training, in days.

[Markudea]

Clone training is broke. Naruto can get 100 years of experience, even if it is subpar training, in days.

I completely agree with you. At this moment, do you think that Naruto has the time for another training like that? If so, do you think that the training will be enough to bring Naruto up to Pain's and Madara's level?

[Pimp Willy]

...All two of them?

*snip*

Did somebody pm you, or are you just done reading all the better mangas?

And, I would imagine a zabuza type mist ninjutsu would be able to screw with peins triple body eyesight trick.

[Power Man Fox]

The fourth was a beast!

His genius use of seals allows naruto to steal 9-tails chakra. :pray:
Not to mention that deal where people were told to retreat if they saw him.
His only loss comes from an immortal demon, and even then it's like a tie really.
Sharingan user's are great, but their just not on that level.
Madara lost to shodai. Itachi ran from jiraiya. That old frog said rinnegan was the best of the three dojutsu's. (iirc)

Sasuke vs naruto, I'd say their currently on a even level.




At this moment, do you think that Naruto has the time for another training like that? If so, do you think that the training will be enough to bring Naruto up to Pain's and Madara's level?

He has to have another training session i think. Jiraiya told that little frog to give naruto the "key" so he can master "that" jutsu. Plus naruto still has to perfect FRS.

[Keits]

I completely agree with you. At this moment, do you think that Naruto has the time for another training like that? If so, do you think that the training will be enough to bring Naruto up to Pain's and Madara's level?

Well, Pein may not be nearly as powerful AFTER his fight with Jiraiya (assuming he wins)... I think jiraiya will do signifigant damage to him in some way (or weaken him in some way).

But, to deal with Madara/Tobi, another clone training is needed. As a matter of fact, Naruto could make a managable ammount of clones (less than when he NEEDS Tenzou to be there), and do this on his own all the time.

[ElderGOD]

Last I checked Naruto used TKB to search for Sasuke.

Naruto is often using clones, so even if it isn't "training" he still gets experience.

Also, Jiraiya isn't stupid enough to straight up encounter a strong enemy. I wouldn't be suprised if the Jiraiya fighting Pein is just a clone.

[Dhalsimowns]

Naruto has the potential to become the strongest ninja ever. I dont know what to do against the rinnengan. but his clones have the sharingan handled. So with his clone training I can see him overcoming Madara eventually. He has the wind rasengan mastered already fcs, and that took out an akatsuki in one blow.

Pein though, I dont know. If Naruto learned how to flash teleport like his daddy, (dont count that out) I dont think anyone or anything could stop him. 2,000 teleporting clones whoooeeee, gg.

[ElderGOD]

Actually I have been thinking. Fuuton Rasengan degrades his body, so what if his main body doesn't use it but his clones use it.

Also having thousands of clones teleporting with fuuton rasengans while the real Naruto stays hidden from a distance is more broken than having Pein have a couple dozen bodies/summons.

edit:

He might also learn to shoot it eventually.

[mcginnis]

plus UNLIMITED nine tails chakra. The guy can take over the planet if he ever masters the nine tails.:rofl:

[Dhalsimowns]

Ya, fuck the sharingan. It all comes down to chakra and naruto has more than anybody in spades.

Hopefully Peins true powers arnt like that fake spoiler where he controls the genjutsu of hell or whatever and has ninja lord god powers over all reality or some bs like that. Wish to all god that we could see his true powers though.
Hopefully J can push him to that point.

And ok, to clear some stuff up. The 4th WAS more powerful than the sannin right?
Iam confused because the 3rd wanted orochi to be hokage, and J is obviously on teh same level. So did the 4th become hokage by default or because he was the shit?

[ElderGOD]

The 4th was a god practically.

Since he's dead, unless there will be a flashback, we won't get to see his real abilities.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was stronger than Madara and Pein, when he was hokage Konoha was basicly untouchable. When Madara sent the fox on Konoha the 4th was able to stop it when it was at full power.

[Dj-DarK]

The 4th was a god practically.

Since he's dead, unless there will be a flashback, we won't get to see his real abilities.


lol whut? :razz:

[AlphaDragoon02]

Last I checked Naruto used TKB to search for Sasuke.

Naruto is often using clones, so even if it isn't "training" he still gets experience.

He did use TKB to search for him. The Naruto that was talking to Itachi was a KB as well.

Actually I have been thinking. Fuuton Rasengan degrades his body, so what if his main body doesn't use it but his clones use it.

Also having thousands of clones teleporting with fuuton rasengans while the real Naruto stays hidden from a distance is more broken than having Pein have a couple dozen bodies/summons.

edit:

He might also learn to shoot it eventually.

Actually, I don't think the Fuuton Rasengan does anything to him...it's the Fuuton Rasenshuriken that fucks up anything in its path.

On the FRS, he'll probably just learn how to throw it using wind chakra. Or as you said, have clones hit the opponent with it.

[ElderGOD]

On the FRS, he'll probably just learn how to throw it using wind chakra. Or as you said, have clones hit the opponent with it.

I meant shuriken, didn't type it out.

When I said shoot it I meant have the clones throw FRS.

[UnCauzi]

The Fourth was more than a god, he's like Christopher Walken.
I mean he could probably fart and destroy a country. I bet you
he impregnated Narutos mom just by touching her hand.

Niggas POTENT YO!

[ReggieHadoken]

Naruto is going to be exstatic when he finds out who daddy was. So Naruto isn't close to the same level Minato was... yet. Already been stated that Naruto will surpass daddy. Believe it. I wouldn't be surprised if Minato also somehow gave Naruto the ability for him to use all of his jutsu. What if he made it so his son could teleport anywhere without a seal? Bro.ken. Once Naruto really gets himself pimped out, all these boastful fags with bloodline eyes ain't gonna mean jack.

[ElderGOD]

I am awaiting for all the "Sharingan is unbeatable" fans to be disappointed.

The manga is called Naruto after all, therefore he will be the better character.

[Dhalsimowns]

The 4th was a god practically.

Since he's dead, unless there will be a flashback, we won't get to see his real abilities.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was stronger than Madara and Pein, when he was hokage Konoha was basicly untouchable. When Madara sent the fox on Konoha the 4th was able to stop it when it was at full power.

Maybe Konoha WAS untouchable when the 4th was hokage, and thats why the nine tails was sent. .

Lets see...Jiraiya, Tsunade, White Fang, Sandaime, Yondaime...
I could see the 5 of them taking out akatsuki np. Including Pein.

[noodleman]

if 4th was GDLK....how did Naruto manage to learn something the 4th can't? unless they're going to make Naruto GDLK....

[Power Man Fox]

FRS?

FRS is rasengan upgraded. The fourth invented rasengan, it's easy to take an existing concept and make it better.

[noodleman]

Kakashi stated that it was something that the 4th couldn't do. But that could be cause he had to fight the kyuubi.

[ElderGOD]

You guys underestimate plot-no-jutsu and Naruto.

The same can be said about the first manga chapters.
How did Naruto out-smart Zabuza and force him to break the water prison?

[Green]

Obviously it was Sasuke's idea.

[Zachman]

Obviously it was Sasuke's idea.
You need to re-read/re-watch that part in the series. It was clearly Naruto's idea.

[Kisame]

surely naruto communicates using telepathy. They both had to come up with the idea.

[ElderGOD]

You need to re-read/re-watch that part in the series. It was clearly Naruto's idea.

He was being sarcastic.

[ReggieHadoken]

I am awaiting for all the "Sharingan is unbeatable" fans to be disappointed.

The manga is called Naruto after all, therefore he will be the better character.

I'm waiting for this day as well. I gotta start practicing my backflips!! :pray:

[The Damned]

From now on, I will call the Timeskip eras "pre-Crisis" and "post-Crisis", especially since SRK seems to do that for everything else.

I want you to be honest with me, with Naruto's current condition, do you think that any training he may have in the future would close the power gap between him, Madara, and Pain? Think about the limited amount of time that he has, the fact that he don't want to use the Kyubbi's chakra anymore, and what he was last seen doing in the manga.

You act like I'm not being honest with you already: I think that Naruto is a moron, pretty through and through. Sure, he's got a "good heart" and all that bullshit, but he's not even really battle smart. He's really one of the worst protagonists that I've encountered in a story that actually bad on like every level, even the "OMG HE HAS THE TOUCH!!!" aspect.

I think that he can train all he want and experience a lot, but it's different from learning it. If Jiraiya, who is quite like him, couldn't get through to him, then that's why I find it bullshit that Jiraiya's training has basically taught him nothing during the intermission.

I of course think that Naruto will be the one to beat both Pain and Madara, but I know that it will be through something that is immense bullshit, especially since pretty much nothing in Naruto's personality has changed throughout the manga outside of becoming "friends" with Sasuke.

Pein is just chillin like I got this whole fight on lock down! Jiraiya might do something to distort Pein's Vision but i dont think that shit will work either.

...I think you've officially been wearing that avatar for too long. (Speaking of which, how many KBs is that?)

As for being Aizen strong, they're both much weaker than Aizen. Aizen's sword is fucking broken and, if anything, Naruto has shown that genjutsu is the most dangerous of all the three forms.

Unbreakable form of genjutsu > you (in Naruto).

Did somebody pm you, or are you just done reading all the better mangas?

And, I would imagine a zabuza type mist ninjutsu would be able to screw with peins triple body eyesight trick.

I had already read One Piece and I was in the process of reading Hunter x Hunter when I was typing that yesterday, so I was done. I don't read very much manga (at the moment).

And I don't think that Zabuza type mist would help against Pein's eyes if they can somehow easily see through the seemingly heavy dust that Jiraiya's Ultimate Disapp...er Rasengan kicked up.

Also, Jiraiya isn't stupid enough to straight up encounter a strong enemy. I wouldn't be suprised if the Jiraiya fighting Pein is just a clone.

Jiraiya's is not a clone. He couldn't have been a clone when fighting the summons since getting hit by Tauros would have destroyed that clone.

Even if you're attemping to make the argument that his Hermit Mode form is a clone, that is shown to be false by the fact that the clone didn't disappear when Ma and Pa punched him in the cheeks.

I would like for clones to be more of a decietful part of battle since between that and Kawarimi these ninja battles should have ridiculous amounts of paranoia. But Kishimoto is never going to use clones to the full potential, so we've already seen their full extent: Being used by Naruto to zerg rush people.

...I hate this manga.

but his clones have the sharingan handled.

...What are you talking about? (I really shouldn't ask that since I never know what you're talking about, but this is particularly vexing.)

Since when have his clones "handled" the Sharingan? Lately, post-Crisis, he's been fucking helpless every time he's encountered the Sharingan. Hell, just ten chapters ago, Itachi got him in a genjutsu (again!) and Sakura just fucking Chidori-Flyswattered his ass without even bothering with the handseals.

Even in the battle at the Valley of the End, Kyuubi's chakra and One Tail status did way more than all Naruto's attempts to clone blitz pre-Crisis Sasuke.

So, yeah...what?

Also having thousands of clones teleporting with fuuton rasengans while the real Naruto stays hidden from a distance is more broken than having Pein have a couple dozen bodies/summons.

edit:

He might also learn to shoot it eventually.

Naruto is too dumb to do just send clones out long distance (at the moment).

Also, learning to shoot it would actually make it worse if Ten-ten has shown us anything: projectiles fucking suck in this world.

And ok, to clear some stuff up. The 4th WAS more powerful than the sannin right?
Iam confused because the 3rd wanted orochi to be hokage, and J is obviously on teh same level. So did the 4th become hokage by default or because he was the shit?

The 4th was likely more straight out powerful than any of the Sannin, especially since now we know that they got that name because they lost to someone. (How legendary!)

The reason that the 3rd wanted Orochimaru to become Hokage is much simpler than you're making it: The Sannin are all older than the 4th.

Remember that Jiraiya trained the 4th as child and that the 3rd trained the Sannin when they were child. Keep in mind that this means that it's likely that teachers are at least 20 years of age. Then recall that bodies of 4th, when resurrected by Orochimaru through kinjutsu, looked like they were, at most, in their late 30s/old 40s.

I would venture a guess, especially since Sarutobi's flashback said they were in a time of war, that Kage level ninja, as powerful as they are, tend to die rather early like any other ninja. (For more examples, see all of Kazekage we know of.) So he was merely looking for a successor to groom immediately in the likely event that something happened to him.

And between the 4th being born and then actually training with Jiraiya, there was about a decade's worth of time where he was looking for a successor. And since Orochimaru was around....

Of course, the 4th then went and died on him, so that's probably the why the old bastard didn't bother looking for anyone else during the twelve years after that, especially since all the Sannin had gotten out of dodge.

The 4th was a god practically.

Since he's dead, unless there will be a flashback, we won't get to see his real abilities.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was stronger than Madara and Pein, when he was hokage Konoha was basicly untouchable. When Madara sent the fox on Konoha the 4th was able to stop it when it was at full power.

It's a good thing we'll never to have to play theory fighter since he's dead.

...Oh wait.

The Fourth was more than a god, he's like Christopher Walken.
I mean he could probably fart and destroy a country. I bet you
he impregnated Narutos mom just by touching her hand.

Niggas POTENT YO!

Hehe. Due to the Zamus/Snake animation in the Smash Bros. Thread, that remained me of the scene from the Simpsons where they are watching a film/TV program with stereotypical Spaniards and flamenco dancing. To paraphase:

Male Dancer: *as dance ends* "And now you bear my child."
Female Dancer: *looks at hands, shocked* "But how?!"
Male Dancer: "That is the mystery of the dance."

I am awaiting for all the "Sharingan is unbeatable" fans to be disappointed.

The manga is called Naruto after all, therefore he will be the more powerful character.

Fixed.

I replaced "better" with a "more powerful". However, I did this not because they are interchangable, but due to the opposite in fact.

Sure, Naruto will beast Sasuke (somehow) because it's his show and all, but he will mostly like still not be the better character. Sasuke, for all his angst, is at least interesting and believable. Naruto, on the other hand, acts functionally retarded and is currently a filler character in his own manga who hasn't done anything in the past three months.

Maybe Konoha WAS untouchable when the 4th was hokage, and thats why the nine tails was sent. .

Lets see...Jiraiya, Tsunade, White Fang, Sandaime, Yondaime...
I could see the 5 of them taking out akatsuki np. Including Pein.

Maybe if they acted together, but the Akatsuki wasn't even formed around then, so enough useless theory fighter, at least for fights we will never actually see.

if 4th was GDLK....how did Naruto manage to learn something the 4th can't? unless they're going to make Naruto GDLK....

*ding ding ding*

We have a winner who has finally figured out Shonen convention.

*holds up mike*

How did you do it, sir?

Kakashi stated that it was something that the 4th couldn't do. But that could be cause he had to fight the kyuubi.

Naruto can do it because Naruto has the obstentisbly retarded chakra capacity it takes to make physical clones and form the Rasengan while manipulating this extremely nebulous elemental chakra that Kishimoto has not even attempted to flesh out beyond "Let me show you my very unoriginal Bizarro Pokemon! Bizarro!"

But, yes, the Kyuubi probably doesn't like the 4th....

I'm waiting for this day as well. I gotta start practicing my backflips!! :pray:

Careful not to break your neck.

You're one of the few people I actually "like" and view as consistently competent.

[Stabby]

Damned,

Don't make posts like that.

Also-- have you been reading HxH like I told you?

[The Damned]

Damned,

Don't make posts like that.

Also-- have you been reading HxH like I told you?

Yes, they're painful to read. I know. I do it because you must experience my Pein...my pain.

And, yes, I have been reading God x God (as I said to Pimp Willy). It's just that no one bumps that thread, even though Yupi's automatically become interesting.

Nice avatar, though I have to wonder where the hell Zeno is....

[Stabby]

Get your ass in the HxH thread and argue about something. I'm going crazy with not talking about these chapters.

[Markudea]

He has to have another training session i think. Jiraiya told that little frog to give naruto the "key" so he can master "that" jutsu. Plus naruto still has to perfect FRS.

Remember, Tsunade stated that if Naruto perform that jutsu again, then he basically can kiss his arm good-bye. How will Kishi clean up the nonsense that he created and make Naruto better with time on short supply?

[catchafire]

Get your ass in the HxH thread and argue about something. I'm going crazy with not talking about these chapters.

To be quite honest, HxH is a little irrelevant to me right now and probably to a lot of other people... :bluu: Sorry, but Naruto is hot right now... I'm sure HxH will pick up, but not anytime soon...

[Kisame]

maybe the author should never went on a 10 year sabbatical but yeah even with the 2 old gods of the manga magically appearing from no where I still find it kinda dull.

[gemdoom]

do you think they'll make jiraiya a complete toad or just get more toad like features? since its already happening

[Power Man Fox]

Since when have his clones "handled" the Sharingan? Lately, post-Crisis, he's been fucking helpless every time he's encountered the Sharingan. Hell, just ten chapters ago, Itachi got him in a genjutsu (again!) and Sakura just fucking Chidori-Flyswattered his ass without even bothering with the handseals.



Nice post, my .02 on this part.

Itachi used genjutsu on a naruto clone. The real naruto stayed back with the whole group.
Sasuke used chidori on a naruto clone. Sasuke uses more chakra to make chidori than naruto does to make a clone.



Remember, Tsunade stated that if Naruto perform that jutsu again, then he basically can kiss his arm good-bye. How will Kishi clean up the nonsense that he created and make Naruto better with time on short supply?


IIRC. kakashi was going to tell him about the jutsu, but naruto interupted him with "i know my body better than anyone else" (or something like that). Plus tenzou said naruto's frs was only about 5o% complete.

I bet naruto will be put into a situation where he need's to finish his jutsu's in order to save his friend's lives. Or maybe he'll complete them during his fight (see rasengan). Im leaning towards a hax training though.

[The Damned]

Nice post, my .02 on this part.

Itachi used genjutsu on a naruto clone. The real naruto stayed back with the whole group. Sasuke used chidori on a naruto clone. Sasuke uses more chakra to make chidori than naruto does to make a clone.

Since Naruto and his clones are basically capable of the exact same things, including making more clones, that's why I put "him" without specifying anything else. Please forgive that.

Still, you haven't really said anything that refutes that he can do anything competent against the Sharingan by himself (including clones). We all know Naruto has more chakra than anyone in the entire manga (except for maybe Kisame and now maybe Pein and Madara...and maybe, but not likely, Zetsu), but that doesn't matter if nothing in his bag of one-trick ponies can counter getting caught in even the most basic of illusions or Lightning elemental attacks.

As for Sasuke's Chidori taking more energy than Naruto's clone, overall, I have to say, but considering how much Sasuke's been throwing it around lately, I would definitely say that Chidori (and its variants) put a lot less strain on Sasuke than Kakashi. (It's somewhat understandable due to the fact that Kakashi's Sharingan is a strain to him that is always active and he kinda of needs to not get destroyed when charging with the Chidori/Raikiri.)

Hunter EDIT: As for the whole "HxH is irrelevant" thing, I see as akin to the following real life analogy (for me): I see Naruto as 3rd Strike and Hunter x Hunter as Guilty Gear: Accent Core. I play 3rd Strike merely even though I for the most part detest it merely because it's by far the more popular game, which means that it's much easier to have competition and discussion regarding it. However, being more popular does not mean that it's better or more "relevant" than Guilty Gear, especially since I see that 3rd Strike has a lot of its potential squandered by the brokenness of its main engine design, i.e. the Parry system.

I'll stop there, though, since I know people enjoy both and this isn't a 3rd Strike Parry "discussion" thread.

[Power Man Fox]

Still, you haven't really said anything that refutes that he can do anything competent against the Sharingan by himself (including clones). We all know Naruto has more chakra than anyone in the entire manga (except for maybe Kisame and now maybe Pein and Madara...and maybe, but not likely, Zetsu), but that doesn't matter if nothing in his bag of one-trick ponies can counter getting caught in even the most basic of illusions or Lightning elemental attacks.


I thought I did :xeye:
Naruto fought itachi's sharingan without being there. Not to mention he acquired some nice information. 1 being that itachi's almost always opening move is genjutsu. It didn't matter if one clone got it because there are still 9oo plus running around. Naruto has chakra to waste when other characters are usually using the least amount possible.
Itachi (debatable if he let himself) was tricked by kakashi's clone. Naruto used the same trick and it worked. *using genjutsu on a clone, which is just a waste*
Chiyo said the only way to counter sharingan is 2 vs 1. Kb = 2 vs 1
If anything is going to beat sharingan it's going to be some type of clone/ clones (imo)


2nd Naruto's goal was to find sasuke. He did, if sasuke hadn't chidori'ed him naruto would have released the jutsu and sent the info back to the group. (i don't remember if sasuke had sharingan on or not)



As for Sasuke's Chidori taking more energy than Naruto's clone, overall, I have to say, but considering how much Sasuke's been throwing it around lately, I would definitely say that Chidori (and its variants) put a lot less strain on Sasuke than Kakashi.

That's true, but sasuke still has a limit whereas naruto's limit has been said to surpass everyone's.

[The Damned]

I thought I did :xeye:
Naruto fought itachi's sharingan without being there. Not to mention he acquired some nice information. 1 being that itachi's almost always opening move is genjutsu. It didn't matter if one clone got it because there are still 9oo plus running around. Naruto has chakra to waste when other characters are usually using the least amount possible.

I don't really see how that's actually useful since Naruto has always sent his prime self into battle when it's an actual battle. Like I said earlier, he's (been) too much of a dumbass sit back and just let his clone army handle it for him like he could.

Also, you act like such a basic genjutsu is an extremely detrimental to Itachi like using Tsukiyomi recklessly would be. Being able to genjutsu certain clones and beat the crap out of others with the effortless taijutsu we've seen him display, especially when Naruto's a pretty horrible hand-to-hand fighter, probably only means that Itachi would have break a sweat for once.

Not that Itachi won't lose to someone for once; I just doubt that it will be believable.

Itachi (debatable if he let himself) was tricked by kakashi's clone. Naruto used the same trick and it worked. *using genjutsu on a clone, which is just a waste*

You bring up something that's another plothole: How come the Itachi clone couldn't use genjutsu on Kakashi's physical clone and and yet catch the Naruto clone in a genjutsu?

2nd Naruto's goal was to find sasuke. He did, if sasuke hadn't chidori'ed him naruto would have released the jutsu and sent the info back to the group. (i don't remember if sasuke had sharingan on or not)

True, but it was implied that the clone Naruto just got owned without being able to anything. Considering how much speedier Sasuke has been shown to be in combat, things look even worse for Naruto.


You make good points though. It's just that the good points of the manga are few and far between at this point, especially if Naruto remains retarded regardless of how much he trains.

[Pryde]

Ok, I'm not hardcore like all you guys here and I'm not caught up on this thread, I check in here once in awhile. So I'll just throw my 2 cents in.

The current state that Naruto is in right now is far inferior than the state Sasuke is in now, that's pretty obvious, but as someone mentioned above, maybe he can learn his father's ability. Or perhaps his mothers too? No one knows her abilities yet right? Perhaps these are the 2 keys to beat Madara and Pein? Just something I thought of.

[ElderGOD]

As long as Naruto stays far away and has frs clones then he's practically a god. The fox has "limitless" chakra, Naruto just needs to learn to properly use it so he doesn't damage himself.

We already saw how Sasuke has a limit with his battle against Deidara.

[Power Man Fox]

I don't really see how that's actually useful since Naruto has always sent his prime self into battle when it's an actual battle. Like I said earlier, he's (been) too much of a dumbass sit back and just let his clone army handle it for him like he could.

When naruto fought the spider guy didn't he send in 5 clones, let them get captured and attack when there was an opening? (or was that just the anime?)
Kishi does make him look dumb most of the time though



You bring up something that's another plothole: How come the Itachi clone couldn't use genjutsu on Kakashi's physical clone and and yet catch the Naruto clone in a genjutsu?


The 3o% itachi clone did catch kakashi's clone in genjutsu.



True, but it was implied that the clone Naruto just got owned without being able to anything. Considering how much speedier Sasuke has been shown to be in combat, things look even worse for Naruto.

You make good points though. It's just that the good points of the manga are few and far between at this point, especially if Naruto remains retarded regardless of how much he trains.

Current sasuke is pretty fast. Kishi def. need's to stop making naruto look :confused:

[The Damned]

When naruto fought the spider guy didn't he send in 5 clones, let them get captured and attack when there was an opening? (or was that just the anime?)
Kishi does make him look dumb most of the time though

I missed the Sound Four stuff in both the anime and the manga, so I wouldn't know. I would wager it was just the anime, but that would be pessimism speaking.

The 3o% itachi clone did catch kakashi's clone in genjutsu.

Really? I thought it was ineffectual, which is why the Itachi clone was able to be held down to be killed by Rasengan. I'll have to actually read the manga version, then.

Current sasuke is pretty fast. Kishi def. need's to stop making naruto look :confused:

Seriously.

Naruto needs to get better at taijutsu if he doesn't want a lot of his chakra to be eaten by simply creating clones that get snuffed out nigh effortless.

Naruto should have spent the Timeskip training with Gai instead of apparently worthless to him but useful to everyone else teacher Jiraiya.

[Havoc]

I don't think you guys understand.... Naruto is supposed to be a dumbfuck.

I don't see why people like him... He's irritating.

[ElderGOD]

Well in the first part he was funny so it made sense.

Now since he grew up it's irritating. I was also disappointed with his progress. I was like, training with J, thinking he would be like the 4th hokage but he's more of... how you say... a "dumbfuck."

I agree that Naruto needs to catch up "mentally."

[MagnusMadness]

You guys are right. Naruto has shown very little growth post timeskip...except that he can use multi-tail forms and become beastly. That may have happened regardless of who he trained with however.

It really pisses me off that he hasn't learned any new jutsu. He just keeps powering up an old jutsu that he spammed in part one. Isn't plain ol' rasengan strong enough to finish off most opponents? Let alone oodami rasengan...So why does he need to waste time on completing a newer, bigger, badder rasengan?? It's like swatting a fly with a bazooka....




Sasuke became as fast as weights off lee after a MONTH of training with kakashi.

[noodleman]

You guys are right. Naruto has shown very little growth post timeskip...except that he can use multi-tail forms and become beastly. That may have happened regardless of who he trained with however.

It really pisses me off that he hasn't learned any new jutsu. He just keeps powering up an old jutsu that he spammed in part one. Isn't plain ol' rasengan strong enough to finish off most opponents? Let alone oodami rasengan...So why does he need to waste time on completing a newer, bigger, badder rasengan?? It's like swatting a fly with a bazooka....




Sasuke became as fast as weights off lee after a MONTH of training with kakashi.
err, doesn't sasuke do the same thing. 20 billion variants of the chidori? Naruto and Sasuke are practically identical....alternate forms, summons, their fav spamming move.

heck, even JMan is doing the same thing. Senin mode hair attacks are somehow stronger and faster than his "regular" hair attacks?

[The Damned]

err, doesn't sasuke do the same thing. 20 billion variants of the chidori? Naruto and Sasuke are practically identical....alternate forms, summons, their fav spamming move.

heck, even JMan is doing the same thing. Senin mode hair attacks are somehow stronger and faster than his "regular" hair attacks?

While this is true, I think that Magnus's point was all of Naruto's variants focus solely on destroying thing when the original form is quite capable of disabling if not killing most people. (See: Kabuto.)

Meanwhile, most of Sasuke's variants either get rid of weaknesses of the original technique, like the tunnel vision by using it as a stationary pole-sword, or have other uses, like ridding his body of parasitic or otherwise detrimental intruders as when he internalized.

Basically, Naruto seems to be basically training to use a bazooka to kill people when the handgun he has will easily do. All he has to do is learn how to pull the trigger by himself, though oddly he still hasn't learned how to manifest the Rasengan by himself, despite training with Jiraiya, how can even form an "Ultimate Rasengan", for almost three years.

That's just bad writing.

[noodleman]

classic brains vs brawn if you ask me.

lets not forget that Sasuke as always been the smarter ninja of the two.

while Naruto does rely on a bunshin to create the Rasengan...he's still technically doing it "by himself". Creating 1-2 bunshin's helps him divide up the thought process of controlling chakra flow, shape manip, and element manip....not to mention that no one else can do the futon shuriken. I really don't see the problem with him needing bunshins still to create it.

If it ain't broken, why fix it?

[MagnusMadness]

classic brains vs brawn if you ask me.

lets not forget that Sasuke as always been the smarter ninja of the two.

while Naruto does rely on a bunshin to create the Rasengan...he's still technically doing it "by himself". Creating 1-2 bunshin's helps him divide up the thought process of controlling chakra flow, shape manip, and element manip....not to mention that no one else can do the futon shuriken. I really don't see the problem with him needing bunshins still to create it.

If it ain't broken, why fix it?

It would be vastly more efficient if he didn't need clones to help with rasengan. Which he did in part one against sasuke when he was all kyuubi-fied.

[Havoc]

Who cares about efficiency? Are you his instructor?

My problem with Naruto isn't that he hasn't learned new jutsu, it's that he's dumb. His fights are all incredibly boring. The beauty of fights in this series is that they are supposed to be smart. Naruto's never are.

Plus his character is just shallow. Zero depth of thinking and emotion.

[The Damned]

If it ain't broken, why fix it?

Because, like Magnus said above me in his reply, it could be much more efficient, especially all he's upgrading to more impractical versions of a move that he already has trouble with.

Please tell me what's more efficient: using a clone just because can to create the Rasengan or being able to form the Rasengan by himself, meaning that if he even formed a clone, then it could form Rasengan by itself as well?

I'd take the later scenario, especially if I can multiply the damage so effectively by multiplying myself.


Havoc has the more overall problem with Uzumaki, though.

[noodleman]

he's got chakra to spare though, he barely needs to make seals to kb.

don't forget he also created some "negative rasengan" when he went 4 tails without a bunshin.

i understand it's more efficient without the bunshin, it's just not that important for naruto though...which is why he never bothered to learn to do it with out bunshins.

[Robust]

naruto is pdlk

I hope J kills pain (the puss) and takes eventually takes down tobi. TY~

[The Damned]

he's got chakra to spare though, he barely needs to make seals to kb.

don't forget he also created some "negative rasengan" when he went 4 tails without a bunshin.

You keep ignoring the fact that he would be much more dangerous if all those KBs he so effortlessly creates were capable of forming the Rasengan by themselves. If just one Rasengan can be deadly, then why would you settle for half the amount you could create with whatever number of clones you can generate?

Also, I don't see why people are even talking about the Tailed forms as proof of his "power". They are all actually proof of his stupidity since he goes animalistic and has never intentionally used the tails. Hell, in the 4-tails form, he was absolutely batshit insane.

So, um, yay?

[BEWD]

Who cares about efficiency? Are you his instructor?

My problem with Naruto isn't that he hasn't learned new jutsu, it's that he's dumb. His fights are all incredibly boring. The beauty of fights in this series is that they are supposed to be smart. Naruto's never are.

Plus his character is just shallow. Zero depth of thinking and emotion.

complete idiocy combined with blond hair and blue eyes...a stab at the white man? :0

In all seriousness, naruto's (lack of)progress and increasing stupidity has become a huge pain in the ass, I haven't bought volumes since pat 1 as I'm just waiting to see how this stupidity ends.

[noodleman]

You keep ignoring the fact that he would be much more dangerous if all those KBs he so effortlessly creates were capable of forming the Rasengan by themselves. If just one Rasengan can be deadly, then why would you settle for half the amount you could create with whatever number of clones you can generate?

Also, I don't see why people are even talking about the Tailed forms as proof of his "power". They are all actually proof of his stupidity since he goes animalistic and has never intentionally used the tails. Hell, in the 4-tails form, he was absolutely batshit insane.

So, um, yay?
but that goes back to why does he need so many ransengans when one will do? is the one ransengan/futon shuriken not destructive enough that he needs 100 of them?

i also wasn't trying to show his tailed forms as his proof of "power". I just wanted to mention that 4 tails naruto could produce some form of rasengan as well, since Magus mentioned the 2 tails thing.

[The Damned]

but that goes back to why does he need so many ransengans when one will do? is the one ransengan/futon shuriken not destructive enough that he needs 100 of them?

He doesn't. That's been part of the overall point with his Rasengan "upgrades".

Why not focus on perfecting the Rasengan instead of going "Oh, cool! A new techinique even the Fourth couldn't do that takes even more energy and difficulty and just completely breaks all the bones my arm! Jawesome!" because he has ADD? The Rasengan is destructive as it is, but he can't even use that perfectly.

I mean, really, he gets away with so much that he shouldn't (need to) because of the stupid amount of chakra he has compared to everyone, which, like Havoc said, doesn't make most of fights interesting, and because of his fast-healing (which now Sasuke has for some stupid ass reason).

He would be a much better character if he just showed even a bit of thought like it seemed he was capable of doing pre-Crisis. We're not asking him to be genius like Shikamaru; we're just asking that he at least try and think things out instead of spamming the Rasengan imperfectly at every fucking threat and needlessly endangering his prime body and his teammates (by giving away their positions).

I've long ago given up that we will for the most part see really, really interesting and smart battling since Kishimoto hardly uses the more decietful aspects of ninja when it comes to battling, such as with Kawarimi or competent use of clones (outside of Naruto's "competent" zerg rushes), and has still completely underplayed the elemental aspect of things that he should have introduced pre-Crisis. So, I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask that Naruto at least be a bit smarter after three years, even if it takes a revelation.

But then maybe that's just me.

[MagnusMadness]

but that goes back to why does he need so many ransengans when one will do? is the one ransengan/futon shuriken not destructive enough that he needs 100 of them?

i also wasn't trying to show his tailed forms as his proof of "power". I just wanted to mention that 4 tails naruto could produce some form of rasengan as well, since Magus mentioned the 2 tails thing.

Well if he missed then he's got a hundred other guys waiting to nail him as soon as he jumps to avoid being attacked...that would actually be smart and cool.

Get Baited!!

[iwst99]

He doesn't. That's been part of the overall point with his Rasengan "upgrades".

Why not focus on perfecting the Rasengan instead of going "Oh, cool! A new techinique even the Fourth couldn't do that takes even more energy and difficulty and just completely breaks all the bones my arm! Jawesome!" because he has ADD? The Rasengan is destructive as it is, but he can't even use that perfectly.

I mean, really, he gets away with so much that he shouldn't (need to) because of the stupid amount of chakra he has compared to everyone, which, like Havoc said, doesn't make most of fights interesting, and because of his fast-healing (which now Sasuke has for some stupid ass reason).

He would be a much better character if he just showed even a bit of thought like it seemed he was capable of doing pre-Crisis. We're not asking him to be genius like Shikamaru; we're just asking that he at least try and think things out instead of spamming the Rasengan imperfectly at every fucking threat and needlessly endangering his prime body and his teammates (by giving away their positions).

I've long ago given up that we will for the most part see really, really interesting and smart battling since Kishimoto hardly uses the more decietful aspects of ninja when it comes to battling, such as with Kawarimi or competent use of clones (outside of Naruto's "competent" zerg rushes), and has still completely underplayed the elemental aspect of things that he should have introduced pre-Crisis. So, I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask that Naruto at least be a bit smarter after three years, even if it takes a revelation.

But then maybe that's just me.

It's posts like these that make it hard for me to take anything serious you say seriously. It's cute :bgrin:

[dn3000]

but that goes back to why does he need so many ransengans when one will do? is the one ransengan/futon shuriken not destructive enough that he needs 100 of them?

i also wasn't trying to show his tailed forms as his proof of "power". I just wanted to mention that 4 tails naruto could produce some form of rasengan as well, since Magus mentioned the 2 tails thing.

Well i suppose he has a better chance of landing the attack, with multiple kbs.

Im just wondering what the hell Naruto could do against Tobi/Madera or Pein... He'll eventually end up fighting one of them... but at the moment, at his level he'll get destroyed. Another timeskip maybe? enough time for the frogs/j-man (if he survives) to teach him da secrets or a technique passed down from daddy minato?

[The Damned]

It's posts like these that make it hard for me to take anything serious you say seriously. It's cute :bgrin:

Because they're incoherent or...?

.Another timeskip maybe? enough time for the frogs/j-man (if he survives) to teach him da secrets or a technique passed down from daddy minato?

Ugh. Please not another timeskip. (And this applies to both Naruto and DC. Oh, whoops. Too late for the latter.)

He'll have enough time with Jiraiya's frog--beastiality, believe it!--to bullshit them both.


I still don't find Pain impressive at the moment, but I didn't expect him to go all out in his first appearance anyway. (I wish I could believe that excuse for poor Konan.)

[iwst99]

Because they're incoherent or...?



No, they're coherent alright, but you seem so passionate about it. It's something that's not dark or emotional, and you obviously know much about, it's Naruto. You're just a regular geek like the rest of us. It's cool. :razz:

[noodleman]

you know, naruto has so much chakra due to plot no jutsu that it doesn't matter in the end. You could say the even more efficient method of attack is do tkb and try and stab the fucker to death with a million kunai's. No extra chakra needed.

then he finds out he stabbed a piece of wood.

[The Damned]

No, they're coherent alright, but you seem so passionate about it.

"Seem" being the key word.

It's just a waste of time while I'm bored even though I have much better things to do. Even if I were passionate about it, I'd be passionate about something that I think is stupid that I have no control over whatsoever other than to stop reading, which I plan to do after Pain finally finishes this fight.

That said, I've never said I wasn't a geek.

you know, naruto has so much chakra due to plot no jutsu that it doesn't matter in the end. You could say the even more efficient method of attack is do tkb and try and stab the fucker to death with a million kunai's. No extra chakra needed.

then he finds out he stabbed a piece of wood.

Exactly. And yet he'll never think and the enemy will never Kawarimi without using a clone.

And, yeah, I don't expect him to ulimately lose due to Plot no Jutsu.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

^ It was never a plot issue...Naruto just sucks, hes a good guy that whens by passion alone. Not so much skill.

I have been saying this from jump Naurto is a idiot, people are expecting all these major things from him but the dude is just a sucky fighter with some hard hitting attacks and the passion to be the best.


Thats it, nothing more nothing less. And until he shows me something different as the reader thats how i will always feel, I dont why people expected him to come back so beastly...

ah well, He was the worst fighter 3 years ago, and he's still the worst fighter now. He still has plenty of time to power up, and it looks like he's getting some major power ups soon.


Anyway Naruto is the worst ninja ever, he doesnt even have the ninja mental...But ah well thats what makes the show interesting at the time being to a certain extent.

How will naurto even hope to beat Sasuke?

[DarthTrey]

How will naurto even hope to beat Sasuke?


THROUGH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!!!!!!!

hasn't anime taught you anything?

[Power Man Fox]

Naruto's last exchange with itachi was top notch. He tried talking to itachi while two clone's snuck up behind him and attacked. Regular jounin and below would probably have gotten caught by that move.
Naruto's so broken kishi's only way to give 95% of the ninja's in the manga a chance at beating him is by dumbing him down. :sweat:

[Kisame]

Naruto's last exchange with itachi was top notch. He tried talking to itachi while two clone's snuck up behind him and attacked.

top notch? he did the exact same thing 100s of chapters ago in the bell test...

[Power Man Fox]

top notch? he did the exact same thing 100s of chapters ago in the bell test...


The trick that worked on kakashi was a little different here. In the bell test the real naruto was present in the bell test. Recently in the exchange with itachi the real naruto was not present and not in any danger.
Kinda similar, but if it had been the same the real naruto would have been in serious danger.

[gemdoom]

could someone explain the focusing part of pein and the other guys for me i think i misread it thanks

[scentless]

Whoa people are really crucifying Naruto and Kishimoto here... :xeye:

I think everybody was expecting Naruto to be a beast after the time skip, I sure was, and i think Kishimoto knew that, so he did the opposite. He kept Naruto almost the same ninja he was but with a little more power. I for one, think Naruto is doing pretty good. People seem to forget that Naruto didn't lose anything he really cared for yet, so it would be weird to him to change all of a sudden. When Jiraya dies or any other big fact occur that will really shock Naruto's world, he will start changing and the rest of the story will change acording.

Madara isn't the last boss, he's probably just the Cell or Freeza of Naruverse, there still a lot of things to happen and we'll sure see:looney: a Naruto worth of a hokage, but he needs to suffer and earn it thru hard work first, thats what I think anyway and thats what Kishimoto is doing i guess.

Just my 2cents :looney:v

[Dhalsimowns]

complete idiocy combined with blond hair and blue eyes...a stab at the white man? :0

In all seriousness, naruto's (lack of)progress and increasing stupidity has become a huge pain in the ass, I haven't bought volumes since pat 1 as I'm just waiting to see how this stupidity ends.

Very interesting that you point out an East vs West cultural perspective in the series. Theres no doubt that Naruto is caucasion compared to the rest the cast. Basicly he is the only white guy and I think that relates to an asian perspective of white people in General.

In that, naruto is clumsy and stupid but he has the chakra (ie: balls, testosterone) to smash through his obstacles with raw power, and thats how japanese people view western culture in general I believe. I think the emphasis on raw power relates to eastern perspectives on white people in being generally bigger and stronger and may play out in this series and other animes with stereotype caucaion generalizations like naruto as a result of our winning wars with eastern cultures (atom bombs relating to spirit bomb/rasengan etc)

Anyway, besides cultural biases and opinions I just thought this was an interesting thing to point out because yesterday I was thinking the same thing except with Shiki/Hidan. Shiki stated that he didnt give a damn about Hidan's god and only the will of fire. I think that was an East vs West smash against fanatical christian religion in the West, and basicly that the east could give a shit about it or any consequences (hell) associated with some nutjobs pushing it. I think Hidan being buried alive in in a pit after being blown to peices is also a stab back at the christian crusading mentality and all the shit its caused in the east. Ya, I watched Full Metal Jacket last night and it all came together.

Uhh, the 4th was the best!! yay!!

[Atomic #]

Very interesting that you point out an East vs West cultural perspective in the series. Theres no doubt that Naruto is caucasion compared to the rest the cast. Basicly he is the only white guy and I think that relates to an asian perspective of white people in General.

lol thats pretty interesting... I can kinda see this...

Is that why Naruto chases after Sakura all the time? Is it that yellow fever?

Or is Sakura considered Irish?:bgrin:

[ElderGOD]

I was going to say since they're all from Japan... but they're not...

[The Epidemic]

they are ninjas sooo...all of them are japanese by default imo.

[Weeks]

just remember that DBZ proved that normal, japanese anime characters only reached their full powerful potential when they transformed into blonde-haired, green-eyed Nordic supermen.

[Atomic #]

they are ninjas sooo...all of them are japanese by default imo.

Nay.... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PAtrYgNut1E)

LOL Weeks... and they were popping pills too in order to retain their insane muscle definition...

[BlodiaVulcan5]

cross post from the music thread, since no one saw it:

HEY NARUTO ANIME FANS!!!! NEED HELP.


anyone know the "lulluby" melody they play on naruto? the one where Gaara gets a flashback when he was kid. Or whenever they do a sad flashback on thier childhood, where Naruto is facing Gaara, right before the Shukaku totally possess gaara.

here's a vid where they play it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV5zjpiHXNE

@ 4:09-5:00

i don't know the title of that track, thus i cannot find it. can anyone help me out?

[TheDarkPhoenix]

/me still wants to see the naurto moive...

[Dhalsimowns]

just remember that DBZ proved that normal, japanese anime characters only reached their full powerful potential when they transformed into blonde-haired, green-eyed Nordic supermen.

gene-envy? Not like japan has alot of diversification.

[str[e]ak]

/me still wants to see the naurto moive...

i'm assuming you mean the latest one, right? me too.

[Power Man Fox]

cross post from the music thread, since no one saw it:

HEY NARUTO ANIME FANS!!!! NEED HELP.


anyone know the "lulluby" melody they play on naruto? the one where Gaara gets a flashback when he was kid. Or whenever they do a sad flashback on thier childhood, where Naruto is facing Gaara, right before the Shukaku totally possess gaara.

here's a vid where they play it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CV5zjpiHXNE

@ 4:09-5:00

i don't know the title of that track, thus i cannot find it. can anyone help me out?


usually on the flash backs they play "sadness and sorrow"
I don't know but if that's not it you could probably find what you want here

http ://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/n

*edit there are 2 spaces between http and :*

[BEWD]

just remember that DBZ proved that normal, japanese anime characters only reached their full powerful potential when they transformed into blonde-haired, green-eyed Nordic supermen.

Oh wait weeks, don't stop! These are also the same people who believed that eating more McDonald's would make them gain blonde hair and blue eyes :rolleyes:(I shit you not, some idiot at a japanese business conference said this to much applause when McDonald's was in its infancy in Japan)

[MagnusMadness]

Oh wait weeks, don't stop! These are also the same people who believed that eating more McDonald's would make them gain blonde hair and blue eyes :rolleyes:(I shit you not, some idiot at a japanese business conference said this to much applause when McDonald's was in its infancy in Japan)

wow.

[Rooks4]

Spoilers are all over the place.. I didn't see them posted here yet, so here are a few.. The first is my favorite, although it's probably not legit.


Pein and his other two bodies face off against Jiraiya. Pein says that its time to get serious. He pulls out a scroll. The scroll has a symbol of