Naruto 7.0

[Green]

Kage bunshin no jutsu does use a large amount of chakra, but there is no shortage of ninja who have large reserves of chakra. Plus, only tajyuu kage bunshin no jutsu requires massive amounts of chakra, and even Kakashi was able to perform it while exhausted after the fight with Zabuza.

[Reno]

Yes he used it but he didn't and can't make the amount of clones that Naruto can theoretically make (or what we've seen vs. Gaara and Kimimaro). That's really the difference here... other ninjas can maybe, MAYBE pull off like 20 - 50 clones via TKB but Naruto can clone himself a hundred times over without breaking a sweat.

[Chaotic Blue]

Kage bunshin no jutsu does use a large amount of chakra, but there is no shortage of ninja who have large reserves of chakra. Plus, only tajyuu kage bunshin no jutsu requires massive amounts of chakra, and even Kakashi was able to perform it while exhausted after the fight with Zabuza.

also i think those were bunshin no jutsu (the ones that are just an illusion). And defending the point of kage bunshin brokeness you can just make 3-4 of them and train every day with that and thats still broken. Train for 3 months with 4 kage bunshins and thats like a year of training.

Chaotic Blue

[the_judge]

also i think those were bunshin no jutsu (the ones that are just an illusion). And defending the point of kage bunshin brokeness you can just make 3-4 of them and train every day with that and thats still broken. Train for 3 months with 4 kage bunshins and thats like a year of training.

Chaotic Blue

It's Naruto's rendition of a Hyperbolic Time Chamber. (which would be bomb as fuck)

Naruto's wierd as hell though when it comes to fighting.
Not to make too many references to DBZ, but he's like Vegeta, nothing but rage with little strategy.

[Chaotic Blue]

It's Naruto's rendition of a Hyperbolic Time Chamber. (which would be bomb as fuck)

Naruto's wierd as hell though when it comes to fighting.
Not to make too many references to DBZ, but he's like Vegeta, nothing but rage with little strategy.

Vegeta was actually a smarter fighter than goku, goku just had a natural fighting ability that made him better. Buuuut, i guess rinnegan being able to summon a clone of person with the same abilities is pretty retarded. but sharingan still > that once the summoner is killed then the summons disappear. Just amatersu that dude and ggpo.

[Dhalsimowns]

Maybe Kakashi got his mango because his best friend died, and his is different because he didnt do the killing. I dont know but any theory works at this point.

Maybe Obito was secretly so badass that his transplanted eye had enough juice to go mango by itself. How was he badass? He had the best of Naruto's and Sasuke's personalities, the two diametric opposite attitudes of the story.

So maybe he had the benefits of being carefree and optomistic, and deadly and clever. Like Goku and Vegeta, and Sasuke and Naruto. If you think about it thats how Tobi/Madara acts.

[ShinjiGohan]

I'd say Naruto is more like Gokou. Only in the sense that he'll keep on trying the same move over and over and over again until it works (sorta like the spirit bomb). He's got the strength and chakra for it, all he's gotta do is wait until the opponent slips up and he's won.

But there's gotta be someone closer to that personality... maybe the incredible hulk?

[DarthTrey]

Yes he used it but he didn't and can't make the amount of clones that Naruto can theoretically make (or what we've seen vs. Gaara and Kimimaro). That's really the difference here... other ninjas can maybe, MAYBE pull off like 20 - 50 clones via TKB but Naruto can clone himself a hundred times over without breaking a sweat.

during the gaaraa fight didn't he make like 1k of himself? No other ninja has been able to do that yet. hold on let me verify

EDIT: Correction he made 2k versions of himself.

Link to episode:
http://stage6.divx.com/user/Temari_Wind/video/1598685/Naruto-Episode-78

[Jizzz_frame]

i may be wrong, but the amount of clones naruto can make doesnt necessarily add experience right?

like say you make a clone of yourself for class so you can learn twice as much. but neither of you really pay that much attention. you wont grow that much.

my point is that with a few clones, you might not have the random breakthrough that naruto has. naruto has thousands of clones so any success is added. with only a few clones if they dont learn anything new you dont.

right?

[DarthTrey]

i may be wrong, but the amount of clones naruto can make doesnt necessarily add experience right?

like say you make a clone of yourself for class so you can learn twice as much. but neither of you really pay that much attention. you wont grow that much.

my point is that with a few clones, you might not have the random breakthrough that naruto has. naruto has thousands of clones so any success is added. with only a few clones if they dont learn anything new you dont.

right?


correct
I think...

[scentless]

379 spoiler pic... Jiraiya is fucked :(

http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061690tj4.jpg

[D'Nyc3]

Nigga bust a Tokyo Tribe 2 shit!

GGPO Jiraya

[noodleman]

oh shit, so it looks like the hit actually connected or something...Pain needs to pull his badass moves now...there's a sliver of hope for JMan still...

[Sacr3D]

379 spoiler pic... Jiraiya is fucked :(

http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061690tj4.jpg

Wtf this guy is too broken.

[wez]

379 spoiler pic... Jiraiya is fucked :(

http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061690tj4.jpg

oh what?

nah, nah, nah!

damn, paine is broken!:annoy:

[Wil]

He summoned the fricken Ginyu Force. wtf.

[str[e]ak]

well, there goes jiraiya's plan. RIP jiraiya. :sad:

[Power Man Fox]

No wonder pein has a no loss record :looney:

[ElderGOD]

Inside that room there were only 6 bodies, so at least he can't summon anymore, and I doubt he will come out himself and risk his real body getting into combat.

Guess we just have to hope that J will go blond or something, cuz he needs some serious help.

[debs]

guess i'm the only one that thinks the manga is lame now. shit is basically watch jiraiya talk for 85 panels and pein pose for the last 4. zZZZzzz...meanwhile naruto, team 7 and team 8 are doing what? sasuke and hebi are doing what? akatsuki is doing what?

where are itachi and kisame? where's konan and zetsu? where's tobi? fucks going on in the leaf village? the sand village? etc.

shit is the jiraiya hermit chronicles now (which is basically dragon ball z rpg). come on...

[Markudea]

guess i'm the only one that thinks the manga is lame now. shit is basically watch jiraiya talk for 85 panels and pein pose for the last 4. zZZZzzz...meanwhile naruto, team 7 and team 8 are doing what? sasuke and hebi are doing what? akatsuki is doing what?

where are itachi and kisame? where's konan and zetsu? where's tobi? fucks going on in the leaf village? the sand village? etc.

shit is the jiraiya hermit chronicles now (which is basically dragon ball z rpg). come on...

While I agree that Kishi have turned this into the main attention of the manga, I really don't feel like watching Naruto and co. follow a piece of Sasuke's old shirt just to find out that he is heading towards Konoha. Tobi's chillin' on his statue while waiting on the confrontation between the two brothers, and there's a high chance that the shinobis in Konoha are either on another mission or just on standby support of the Sasuke retrieval team. The Sand Village achieved their goal (which was the retrieval of Gaara), so they have no more purpose in the manga as of now (even though I would like to see the bijuuless Gaara again). I believe that Tobi told Pain to tell the rest of the members to capture their bijuus asap (which is probably what they're doing). If Kishi showed everyone else in the manga, then people would only complain about how the manga is constantly going off-track. It's better if Kishi completes one fight or event at a time instead of the scenes being too sporadic.

[4neqs]

Mama frog, what does the scouter say about the Rinnegan kid's power level???

[Pained Auron]

Mama frog, what does the scouter say about the Rinnegan kid's power level???



it's....OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mcginnis]

:rofl: if Jiraiya dies they can just wish him back.

[ReggieHadoken]

:rofl: if Jiraiya dies they can just wish him back.

Nah, man, they ain't got the balls to do that. BTW, love that av, man. :wgrin:

[mcginnis]

Thanks? Never really expected to get a compliment on it since no one knows who mcginnis is nowadays. I mean EVERY time I register for something "mcginnis" is the name that I get.:sweat:

[Dhalsimowns]

I thought he would at least take out the fat guy.
Tsunade will coem though. Only Pein will make the mistake of killing her.
Then...the beard of power will go blonde and oh shit son...

[MagnusMadness]

Mama frog, what does the scouter say about the Rinnegan kid's power level???

it's....OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: if Jiraiya dies they can just wish him back.



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Now that's funny

[capcomANDsnk]

a retard could've predicted Pein would send out the other bodies.

no. tsunade ain't comin.

kill that perv already. fo real, shit's boring.

[The Damned]

a retard could've predicted Pein would send out the other bodies.

Seriously. And yet I'm betting that's all there is to the "Secret" for next chapter. I can already see it now.


Pein: No matter. I'll just use...That Jutsu! @_@

HM Jiraiya and Co.: !!! O_O

Pain: Yomi Bushin no Jutsu!

*Six Pein appear*

Ma: Six people with Ryuudo's eyes!

Pa: ...Ah crap!

HM Jiraiya: ...Wait? Hold up, kid. This your ultimate technique? Making glorified Tajyuu Bushin? Even with those eyes, you'll never beat my THAT JUTSU in HM! *begins Kabuki pose but is again stopped by the Froggy Duo* ...Why does everyone hate on the pose?

Pain: Pitiful fool! I wouldn't expect you to understand the mechanics of a god's power! So let me dumb it for you!

HM Jiraiya: Dumb it down for me...? -_- Stopping wasting time, Nagato! This is your last chance to disband the Akatsuki and come back with me to Konoha...alive.

Pain: Ha! You're even afraid of the truth, aren't you? Why else would be so afraid of my explaining the ultimate technique of the Rinnegan? Aren't you even the slightest bit curious...Sensei?

HM Jiraiya: *Begins building energy for a Kameha...Rasegan-based attack* Sure. Knock yourself. I'll consider it your epitaph.

Pain: Very well then. The secret of Rinnegan is this....

*all six Pein holds up peace sign V*

Pain: Being able to multiple by two without the aid of a calculator!

Jiraiya: *facevaults*

Ma: Dagnabit! Will you get up?! You're ruining my make-up!

Pa: ...Hey, Jiraiya-chan. Was the Fourth your only competent disciple?

[Rodimus]

lol dont worry the guy in my Av comes back with back up doggie!

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5496/061690tj4.jpg

^^ Nice time to Run Jiraiya, this dude Pain is a walking living nightmare. I aslo read a spoiler saying we see a sasuke Itachi encounter--yea right just like imma see Naruto in this chapter..lol.

I'll go snack on some sweet potatoe pie while im waiting for his chapter.

[Monarc G.]

Even though pein has get this much of attention about the "hes so powerful stuff" lately, jiraiya seems to be the one pulling the strings in this fight. Defend is all pein's doing, i thought jiraiya would look like a child in compare to pein's powers.

My 2 cents.

[catchafire]

That's the thing though Monarc, Pain isn't really breaking a sweat. HIs cape is still on and haven't once really showed shocking suprise (i.e. my life is in danger) during this fight. It's all just J-Man showcasing the inards before he gets fleshed out.

[noodleman]

i dunno, JMan had to work pretty hard to deal with all those summons...Pain has been diffusing all of Jman's attack with ease.

[Markudea]

Here's episode 35 (RAW):
- http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/NARUTO+SHIPPUDEN+35/video/x3jy8j_video-naruto-shippuden-35-raw-vo_shortfilms

One more day until we see the fate of Jiraiya and Pain. In the meantime, take a look at this picture that I got from another forum:
- http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o244/BBNaruto/Group/Fan%20Art/Konoha/Sakura__s_Nightmare_by_sharingandev.png

[debs]

that pic is better than the last 5 chapters of the manga.

[catchafire]

http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=289956841

[Gasp]

if thats legit....

wow

[str[e]ak]

i'm not quite sure what to make of that. but, DAYUM.

[4neqs]

Snow White (hair) and the Six Pains

[Rodimus]

I think catchafire pretty much linked it but here's another link to the Raw:

Chapter 379 Raw!!
http://www.mediafire.com/?00hyundxdxy

Nice hope everybody had a good Turkey Day!!

Jees 379=The Truth #34 paul pierce!!

Wow!! My Av is Back. Game Over Jiraiya que Saw trailer music!!

[AlphaDragoon02]

Wow...Pein is a bad motherfucker. :wow:

And yes, Jiraiya is fucked now. Not just because the "real" Pein is among them but because Jay has access to NONE of his jutsu having only one arm (excluding the Rasengan which isn't gonna save him). Unless he pulls some Haku shit and escapes really quickly, he's done.

[UnCauzi]

I wonder if the writer realizes that he's going with this "immortal/can't be killed conventionaly" theme to close together with these guys. I mean we got Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochi and Pein. Heres hoping Itachi, Kisame, Zetsu won't have a life hack. It's cool the 1st time, maybe the 2nd....but 3rd, 4th bleh. Stops being special.

Even though I'm no fan of Deidara least when he died, he died.

[Monarc G.]

I wonder if the writer realizes that he's going with this "immortal/can't be killed conventionaly" theme to close together with these guys. I mean we got Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan, Orochi and Pein. Heres hoping Itachi, Kisame, Zetsu won't have a life hack. It's cool the 1st time, maybe the 2nd....but 3rd, 4th bleh. Stops being special.

Even though I'm no fan of Deidara least when he died, he died.

Maybe he doesn't know other way to make them look extremely strong than this.

[noodleman]

looks like jiraiya recognizes the real pain.....he ended the chapter with "o....omae wa...." meaning "y...you're..."

Maybe one of the bodies is Naruto's half brother afterall :\

[Kira Yamato]

great chapter, cant believe the early spoilers of jiraiya losing an arm were true >_<

[Stabby]

Hey, wouldn't it be great if Pein stole Jiraiya's body too?

[Markudea]

Here's episode 35 (SUBBED):
- http://anime-media.com/naruto-shippuuden-35/

[The Damned]

Hey, wouldn't it be great if Pein stole Jiraiya's body too?

Maybe he'll manage to do something useful with it for once.

*rimshot*


Anyway, is this subbed yet so that I can read about why this fight still isn't (officially) over?

And, yeah, about his arm getting ripped off, Kishimoto also never explained why Haku and only Haku could do the one-handed seals, did he? Especially when two fucking copy ninjas with Sharingan saw him do it. Not that anyone wants to use hand-signs until they actually can't anymore though....

[Dhalsimowns]

Again, another chapter and I have no idea how anything happened.
How did those three bodies come back after being stabbed like that...

boo to J losing an arm, he;s too cool for that.

[Rodimus]

Again, another chapter and I have no idea how anything happened.
How did those three bodies come back after being stabbed like that...

boo to J losing an arm, he;s too cool for that.

Yo same ish Jiraiya wants to know. Like didn't i just gut like 3 of these dudes.

[catchafire]

I'm wondering if his tough decision was to save his pupil or try and kill em... After seeing this, I don't think J is going to die. If the author wanted him dead, he would have lossed more that just an arm...

J Lives!!!

[dn3000]

I thought J offed the three pein clones and Pein summoned the rest of the clones....

[Sacr3D]

So I guess it all comes down to Naruto using his "ultra powerfull" wind rasengan shuriken and blow up all those 6 bodies at the same time ... :rolleyes:

[sainthuey]

J is gonna die next chapter, bet it!!

actually i just want J to die so we can get to the damn itachi/sasuke fight already. fight has been pushed back more times then the new super smash bro's

[str[e]ak]

in case you guys missed it:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-379/page001.html

[ViciousSLASH]

Jiraya better pull out some super frog piccolo arm regeneration.

If not, I will be disappointed. The fight was going good until the three guys came back to life. It's no fun to watch fights where someone is constantly getting more and more powerful.

At least make it SEEM like Jiraiya might have a chance. Next chapter Big J will use one of those THAT jutsus and probably take out like 4 clones or something and get killed.

:(

[The Damned]

ak;4532442']in case you guys missed it:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-379/page001.html

Thanks for the link. My other website doesn't have it yet.

It's so sad to see that I was right with my omake spoiler, because all Pain did was multiple by two.

That isn't a fucking secret, Kishimoto. Maybe to Jiraiya, but it's not like he's going to break the fourth wall and see the inaccurate title that you're conveying to your audience.

It's so nice to still know next to nothing about the Rinnegan after two fucking months.

Please, Jiraiya, you did your "best" against apparent hax despite making an ass of almost the entire series. Just do yourself a solid and make sure you go down fighting next chapter by way of a non-sucidial move.

[4neqs]

Bleach and Naruto...I guess it's Lose Your Left Arm Week in Jump Comics

[catchafire]

Thanks for the link. My other website doesn't have it yet.

It's so sad to see that I was right with my omake spoiler, because all Pain did was multiple by two.

That isn't a fucking secret, Kishimoto. Maybe to Jiraiya, but it's not like he's going to break the fourth wall and see the inaccurate title that you're conveying to your audience.

It's so nice to still know next to nothing about the Rinnegan after two fucking months.

Please, Jiraiya, you did your "best" against apparent hax decide made an ass of almost the entire series. Just do yourself a solid and make sure you go down fighting next chapter by way of a non-sucidial move.

Nice quote, but I don't think J will die. (At least I hope not). Like you stated earlier, we didn't learn a damn thing about the rinnegan...:annoy:

[capcomANDsnk]

^did you forget about his convo w/ Tsunade? His death has been foreshadowed. It's over.

i can't believe i'm sayin this cuz i've been on Naruto's nuts since i first got into it. but i'm gettin tired of Kishi's bullshit. He probly planned Part 2 to be his DBZ, lame

[Power Man Fox]

:sweat:
Sic fight so far, everything jiraiya does is being countered.

Hopefully peins new ability is only 1 of the peins doing. That ability reminds me of some magic card, i forget the name but you could keep paying mana to revive dead monsters.

Naruto's got his work cut out for him.

[BlackShinobi]

Bleach and Naruto...I guess it's Lose Your Left Arm Week in Jump Comics

Its black friday that means 2 for 1 one sale on left arms.

:sweat:
Sic fight so far, everything jiraiya does is being countered.

Hopefully peins new ability is only 1 of the peins doing. That ability reminds me of some magic card, i forget the name but you could keep paying mana to revive dead monsters.

Naruto's got his work cut out for him.

One of them is probably a uses healing jutsu which means thats the one Jiraiya (or whoever) needs to kill first. If you've noticed the purpose of him being six instead of one seems to be, so that each can focus on one skill more than any single ninja. The summoning Pain is WAAAAAY above anyone who has appeared on this show at summoning, even Jiraiya. The absorbing one ate a super saiyan rasengan. If one of them is only healing Jutsu they can probably raise the dead and reattach limbs.

- I'm still trying to think of what the others are
- I'm sure one is genjutsu (probably ownz the Sharingan),
- The original one that controlled the rain uses water Jutsu(if thats not the ultimate water jutsu I don't know what is)
- Fatty
- The summoner
- Healer ?
- I wonder if the last one is taijutsu (I doubt it though)

[scentless]

Next chapter Jirairya will know the truth of what happen to Nagato-> Pein, probably Konan will come and stop Pein from killing Jiraiya or something like that...

[ax0r]

Damn J is in a tight situation.. Pain is a beast!

[ViciousSLASH]

- I'm still trying to think of what the others are
- I'm sure one is genjutsu (probably ownz the Sharingan),
- The original one that controlled the rain uses water Jutsu(if thats not the ultimate water jutsu I don't know what is)
- Fatty
- The summoner
- Healer ?
- I wonder if the last one is taijutsu (I doubt it though)

Taijutsu is the one who cut his arm off.

It's probably going to be Summoning, captain planet Ninjutsu ( rain pain, all six elements ), Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Healing, and defense ( fatty ).

The six parts of being a ninja or whatever.

[Rodimus]

After Reading the full transaltion my only thoughts are:

Jiraiya needs to bounce asap. retreating now he wont lose any status in my book. He lost his left arm plus he took it to hokage levels in this fight.

He currently has good solid information on how Pein fights b4 Wu Tang Pein shows up.

Jiraiya needs to hop in a fog's mouth and get the fuck outta there. From this point on everything is going down hill for him. He was able to find a assumed pattern then exploit a thought to be weakness of Pein's. Murked 3 bodies at the same fucking time.

Then the dude in my Av shows up to say Ok now lets fight. Now Pein truly has a clear cut advantage. Ero-Sennin watched 3 bodies basically get right back up after he put crazy looking blades through 3 of them.

I cant front this chapter was so tight.

at first i wanted Jiraiya to go out like a soldier but now, Im scared for him. Jiraiya be out fam!! I now know that you are indeed the strongest of the Sannin!

chapter 380=R.I.P Ero Sennin?!

Wow,

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Now on a flip note i can see how Madara would trump Pain.

[MagnusMadness]

Bleach and Naruto...I guess it's Lose Your Left Arm Week in Jump Comics

inoue's healing ability is almost dragonball status broken. Losing an arm in bleach is nothing.

[Stabby]

Dude in eyeshield had his arm taken out last week, but it was his right arm.

[Rodimus]

Ep 35 was solid; Real Talk id take that animation style all the time you know.

I know they have different teams that do the shows, but id take those guys on a day to day basis and id take the ova guys ie episode 33 guys for specials.

Damn we get a hour special next. they are right on the door step of the four tail fight.

I believe we have some good episodes of shippuuden coming up.

Naruto was solid this week.

[Mario Lemieux!]

wu-tang pein, lol...

PROTECT YO NECK!

[DaFlipMastaXV]

everybody thinks that Jiraiya can just escape like its no big deal...I think he'd just die faster if he tried

[UnCauzi]

Jaraiya at best is = Orochi. All I have to say.

[ElderGOD]

Only one arm left... so much for him making any seals...

[Havoc]

Call me crazy, but I don't see Jiraiya dying yet.

When Jiraiya has the flashback to the toad's prophecy he says in reference to Pain "for a little while, I thought it was you" or something like that. Meaning, he doesn't think Pain is the pupil in the prophecy.

Now, either he's wrong, or Naruto is that pupil.

If Naruto is that pupil, then there is still an encounter between Naruto and Jiraiya that needs to happen (with a possible fight to the death). That can't possibly happen for a while, since there is no reason why Jiraiya would kill Naruto at this point. Maybe the toad that he just sent Naruto's way will play into that... but in any event, Jiraiya needs to survive this fight for any of that to matter.

Either that or Pain is that pupil, and more than likely, we're in the final phases of the story.

Unless Kishi just decides to go an entirely different way that makes no sense, which, sadly, is very possible.

[D'Nyc3]

wu-tang pein, lol...

PROTECT YO NECK!

Seriously....


Nigga that came behind him was like:

Diversify your bonds nigga.

[Gasp]

hahaha

...
oh poor j-man.
things aren't looking good

[ElderGOD]

It's not too late to make that J just a clone and the real one was still inside the frog the whole time or was that ninja that ran away in the beginning earlier.

[D'Nyc3]

It's not too late to make that J just a clone and the real one was still inside the frog the whole time or was that ninja that ran away in the beginning earlier.

True, but one thing.


His arm was cut off.........How to explain that?

[MagnusMadness]

True, but one thing.


His arm was cut off.........How to explain that?

u readin the same manga? plot holes abound!!!

[Power Man Fox]

Im going to 2nd Jiraiya > oro > tsunade.

Hermit mode is beastly.

[wez]

oh man.... great chapter!

I'm really worried for Jiraiya now.

What did Jiraiya figure out when he said, "You... You can't be..."?

when are we gonna hear from Tobi?

[Green]

You can't be that jutsu!

[Biolink]

You can't be *Insert random ass Ninja clan that was thought to be long dead*

[4neqs]

Yeah, the first Pain body (the one with Konan that met TobiMadara) probably looks like that other orphan

inoue's healing ability is almost dragonball status broken. Losing an arm in bleach is nothing.

I already addressed that one in the Bleach thread too.

Would've wanted a Mayuri-made Bionic Byakuya though (though I dislike the latter the same way I dislike Neji).

[The Damned]

Jaraiya at best is = Orochi. All I have to say.

I'm inclined to agree. If there is any difference, then I think that Jiraiya might have more raw power than Orochimaru, but he is definitely dumber.

As for why Itachi ran, it's seems he rather skittish with uncertain battles and it's quite likely that he believed a lot of rumors about Jiraiya's power. Or...he was Jiraiya's informant, which is more likely.

Call me crazy, but I don't see Jiraiya dying yet.

You're crazy.

He's as good as dead, especially since he already made his will by sending off that frog to find Naruto and give him the key to the "warehouse".

I don't see why you think he has to fight the "destined pupil"--:rolleyes:--for the prophecy--:rolleyes:--to come to pass. If you notice how pissed Ma and Pa were about fighting Pain, then you realized they shouldn't fight him, even if it was the "bad outcome".

The "destined pupil"--:rolleyes:--is almost certain Naruto unless Kishimoto decides to go "bad ending" all of the sudden.

Jiraiya is fucked.

Taijutsu is the one who cut his arm off.

It's probably going to be Summoning, captain planet Ninjutsu ( rain pain, all six elements ), Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Healing, and defense ( fatty ).

The six parts of being a ninja or whatever.

Makes sense. I've thought about it for a while, and that seems quite plausible.

I think the "Defense" one is one that specializes in Sealing, though. Since he just seems to act like huge-ass chakra-sealing scroll.

oh man.... great chapter!

I'm really worried for Jiraiya now.

What did Jiraiya figure out when he said, "You... You can't be..."?

Since Pain brought out all six bodies, I'm sure Jiraiya has seen the one that looks a lot like what grown-up Yahiko would look like.

That or he's still tripping off the fact that Pain has like six bodies, half of which decided to just pull RESURRECTION! after a move that would have killed anyone else.

[Sacr3D]

oh man.... great chapter!

I'm really worried for Jiraiya now.

What did Jiraiya figure out when he said, "You... You can't be..."?

when are we gonna hear from Tobi?

When are we going to hear from the main char ? Naruto ! lol

[Green]

I wonder if Jiraiya is right-handed.

[MagnusMadness]

u guys think that maybe you have to kill the Original to immobilize/kill the support bodies...

[ViciousSLASH]

lol at two possible scenarios.

1. Tsunade shows up out of nowhere and punches the shit out of a pain.

2. Itachi comes and saves J

and then scenario three.

3. They BOTH come to save him.

That would be too ridiculous to not enjoy.

[Sacr3D]

Why would Itachi save J lol

[The Damned]

Why would Itachi save J lol

Some people suspect that Jiraiya has an informant within the Akatsuki given how Jiraiya seems to be the only person that constantly has reliable information about them. The same people think that it's either Itachi or Zetsu, the former because his reason for not even fighting Jiraiya is suspect and the latter because he gets around and yet hasn't really been shown doing anything.

Thus, option four is born.

4. Tsunade, Itachi, and Zetsu save Jiraiya and Konan actually gets off her apparently useless ass and does something to attempt to stop them.

[Dhalsimowns]

Jiraiya is the strongest of the sannin. In all the flashbacks he can be seen putting Orochimaru in his place, usually telling him to shut up in some way. Hermit mode is too beastly too. Not only does J get so much stronger, but he gets to fight with 2 wiser and more powerful ninja toads with him that i doubt would worry about orochi at all.

Could it be possible that Minato was the chosen pupil? Maybe he could be by fathering Naruto or sealing tehnine tails in him. As far as we know Naruto is the only nine tails jinchuriki right?

I think Sasuke>Itatchi too. I dont think Itatchi is shit without his MS, and if Sasuke can figure a way around it then Itatchi is going down. Then again, Itatchi was confident that he could draw with Jiraiya. But does he know about Hermit mode?
Eh, I wish Kishi would answer little questions like this.

[str[e]ak]

Thus, option four is born.

4. Tsunade, Itachi, and Zetsu save Jiraiya and Konan actually gets off her apparently useless ass and does something to admit to stop them.

:rofl:

you might as well make option five:

5. Every person who has some sort of relationship with Jiraiya will come and save him.

but, in all seriousness, if jiraiya doesn't die, that would be the worst thing ever. i like jiraiya, and i want him to live. however, if he doesn't, this would be the most retarded ending to a fight ever.

[Power Man Fox]

Jiraiya is the strongest of the sannin. In all the flashbacks he can be seen putting Orochimaru in his place, usually telling him to shut up in some way. Hermit mode is too beastly too. Not only does J get so much stronger, but he gets to fight with 2 wiser and more powerful ninja toads with him that i doubt would worry about orochi at all.

In all instances I would say oro had the upper hand, but in all instances I would say jiraiya never really tried. (if that makes any sense)
With ma & pa helping jiraiya he's like a kakuzu. Then that uber genjutsu, and genjutsu > oro.
Maybe tsunade has some crazy slug jutsu's kishi's saving for the right time

[Keits]

I LOVE the idea of Jiraiya's real body being the ninja he let escape when Konan arrived. I also love the idea of Tsunade showing up to help the clone Jiraiya and dying, and Jiraiya is like "NOOO I WAS FINE WHAT ARE YOU DOOOING!?>!?!"

[TheDarkPhoenix]

oro is def stronger than J, The 4 tails almost peaced out J. Where as oro was making small work of him in a dying body. After reading the chapter where oro was beasting on the 4 tails in a weaken body it sealed the deal for me. I dont think we have ever gotten to see oro fight without being at a disadvantage. Well outside his fight with the 3rd where he seemed to be toying around.

[MagnusMadness]

oro is def stronger than J, The 4 tails almost peaced out J. Where as oro was making small work of him in a dying body. After reading the chapter where oro was beasting on the 4 tails in a weaken body it sealed the deal for me. I dont think we have ever gotten to see oro fight without being at a disadvantage. Well outside his fight with the 3rd where he seemed to be toying around.

Itachi fucked his ass up didn't he?

[UnCauzi]

Ma and Pa added what? A slow Genjutsu, and a tongue that gives warts to Jaraiyas arsenal. Wasn't he already doing the oil and fire gimmick with other toads? Imo Hermit Mode is overrated. It takes way too long to do and the muppets need to die already.

Orochimaru lost to a paralyzing genjutsu that works INSTANTLY thanks to the sharingan.
Color me stupid I for some reason don't think that Sannin will lose to ANY ol genjutsu so
please don't spout genjutsu is better than Oro otherwise Kurenai would beast Oro.
If any ol genjutsu worked on Oro don't you think the GOD of shinobi would have just
genjutsu'd Oro in the first place? Just to emphasize the beastliness of sharingan genjutsu why wasn't Kurenai able to simply break out of her genjutsu that was countered by itachi? Instead she was all "OMGWTF."

That frog song? Sucks. Pain just wasn't being careful (I mean who's careful in
GOD mode) because he knew whatever was coming wouldn't kill him. Shit I'll go eat a hotdog
and leave the game on in God mode. Sure if J was able to go into Hermit mode then run away then have the muppets sing without Orochi skewering him. I'd say yeah that genjutsu may work...

BUT fuuuuuck that.

J is shit, especially without his muppets.

[Dj-DarK]

Its crazy, I don't think anyone expected Jman to even touch the 3 Pains but he goes all out and ends up killing them.

Finally a fight that if properly animated will easily top the 3rd vs Orochi.

[UnCauzi]

Itachi fucked his ass up didn't he?

He sure did, Itachi didn't even try and fight Jaraiya yet he burned a FUCKING WHOLE THROUGH A FROG STOMACH WITH A TECHNIQUE JARAIYA NEVER SAW. Keep in mind with Jaraiyas lack of knowledge on genjutsu all Itachi has to do is wink at the fuck and it's all over.

UNTIL SOMEONE PROVES OTHERWISE GET OFF JARAIYAS NUTS. He would have lost in the same lame ass fashion. He sure as hell wasn't avoiding Itachis eyes now was he? He looked straight at the weasel. Itachis role still has a lot of explaining to do. If you don't believe that, you need to be hobbled.

GGPO, Itachi fucks Jaraiyz in the ass with a walrus for 100 years in .5 seconds.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

imo the only person out of the three who should even have a remotely close chance of beating itachi is Tusnade. With her medical jutsu and or vast knowledge of how charaka works and flows, and the healing factor. Oh and the fact that she has "super strength"

She should counter itachi as far as one of the 3 being able to beat him. Pein seems mad over rater sofar, random shiringan user> "those eye" I mean its a beast trait but its def not better than shiringan.

[The Damned]

imo the only person out of the three who should even have a remotely close chance of beating itachi is Tusnade. With her medical jutsu and or vast knowledge of how charaka works and flows, and the healing factor. Oh and the fact that she has "super strength"

Probably, but she's a woman, so she'll never actually get to do anything ever again.

GGPO by way of Sexism no Jutsu.

She should counter itachi as far as one of the 3 being able to beat him. Pein seems mad over rater sofar, random shiringan user> "those eye" I mean its a beast trait but its def not better than shiringan.

Rinnegan does seem rather overrated in that you seem to need multiple bodies for it to be effective, but we still don't really know anything about it right now.

And, yeah, Pain may get screwed over by Sharingan Genjutsu if he gets caught in in all since all bodies are guided by the same person. It depends.

[Stabby]

Tsunade lost to Kabuto?

Itachi > Oro > Kabuto > Tsunade

[UnCauzi]

Probably, but she's a woman, so she'll never actually get to do anything ever again.

GGPO by way of Sexism no Jutsu.



Rinnegan does seem rather overrated in that you seem to need multiple bodies for it to be effective, but we still don't really know anything about it right now.

And, yeah, Pain may get screwed over by Sharingan Genjutsu if he gets caught in in all since all bodies are guided by the same person. It depends.

Rinnegan has more hax bet it. As far as Tsunade Tsukiyomi works instantly and what is she going to do against Ameretsu, exploding bushins and the like. I see Tsunade getting tentacle raped.

[Robust]

pain is pussy

[Dhalsimowns]

oro is def stronger than J, The 4 tails almost peaced out J. Where as oro was making small work of him in a dying body. After reading the chapter where oro was beasting on the 4 tails in a weaken body it sealed the deal for me. I dont think we have ever gotten to see oro fight without being at a disadvantage. Well outside his fight with the 3rd where he seemed to be toying around.

All Orochi did was dodge 4-tails naruto's attacks, get knocked in half with one punch, and worry about being hit by that chakra ball. He did'nt do shit, and then he bailed. On top of that while Orochi did nothig and ran, Jiraiya supressed 4-tails Naruto by himself. J didnt have Yamato(?) and his tree jutsu around to do it, he did it by himself. So J owns orochi in any comparison of the 4-tails.

[dn3000]

All Orochi did was dodge 4-tails naruto's attacks, get knocked in half with one punch, and worry about being hit by that chakra ball. He did'nt do shit, and then he bailed. On top of that while Orochi did nothig and ran, Jiraiya supressed 4-tails Naruto by himself. J didnt have Yamato(?) and his tree jutsu around to do it, he did it by himself. So J owns orochi in any comparison of the 4-tails.

Yeah... even the Kusanagi sword had no effect against 4TN.... Jiraya, Orochimaru then Tsunade. If Oro would have pulled out the 1st hokage then it would have been another story.

[Robust]

anyone ever speculate danzou to be tobi?

i doubt it, but WHO KNOWS.

[ElderGOD]

nope

[Dhalsimowns]

Kakashi is Tobi. He's THAT ninja.

[ElderGOD]

The only thing they might have in common is an eye, and I use the term might lightly.

[noodleman]

i'm sure Jman still has another "ano-jutsu" or two left in his current state to do some major damage to Pain before he bites the dust.

Pain should've taken Jman as one of his as oppose to Oro haha.

i meant Tobi/Madara.

[BlackShinobi]

Jiraiya vs Itachi isn't as simple as everymakes it out to be. If you haven't notice yet every older ninja in this series seems to know how to deal with genjutsu, I guess that how they made it to being old.

So in a one on one fight with an Skilled ninja Who Already has knowledge of how deadly the sharingan is before the fight. Itachi isn't really at an advantage.

Second most of Jiraiya's stronger attacks are Frog based and they work via his contract with the frogs, which would make them uncopyable by the sharingan.

If Jiraiya had sunk into the frog stomach wall and double walled itachi in, he would have been dead a long time ago.

[ElderGOD]

J can't die yet, we need to see some god-like ninjutsu first.

I'm not satisfied with the battle being mostly Summoning and Genjutsu.

Also I don't want to see any more rasengan, no more basic fire techniques, and no more hair jutsus.

Everyone's chakra has an affinity with a certain element, we need to see J's and see him use it to full potential.

[The Damned]

Everyone's chakra has an affinity with a certain element, we need to see J's and see him use it to full potential.

...It never struck you that his affinity was with fire considering how much he uses fire-based techniques?

You are hopeless.


P.S. Jiraiya needs to die faster.

[BlackShinobi]

Yeah, Jiraiya definitely favors earth and fire jutsu. I don't think hes used a wind or lightning jutsu so far, at least to my memory

[ElderGOD]

...It never struck you that his affinity was with fire considering how much he uses fire-based techniques?

You are hopeless.


P.S. Jiraiya needs to die faster.



It never struck you that many ninjas in Konoha use the basic fire techniques?

Also don't forget that J usually just adds the flame for the toads' oil.

You are assuming that his affinity is fire, you should stick to facts instead of making assumptions, you'll look smarter next time.


Yeah, Jiraiya definitely favors earth and fire jutsu. I don't think hes used a wind or lightning jutsu so far, at least to my memory

Yea, he does favor fire/earth but I'm expecting more from him. The 3rd hokage showed a good diversity of fire and earth techniques, defensive and offensive, while J hasn't showed that much.

[The Damned]

It never struck you that many ninjas in Konoha use the basic fire techniques?

Also don't forget that J usually just adds the flame for the toads' oil.

You are assuming that his affinity is fire, you should stick to facts instead of making assumptions, you'll look smarter next time.

I'm assuming that his affinity is fire because most of his attacks are fire-based.

Great Scott! You're absolutely correct! That's such a reckless assumption on my part!

I should just wait until he unleashes a OMG ANO-Jutus attack that uses Water for his and only time and just say that is his affinity since one's affinity obviously applies to only visually impressive attacks instead of stuff that gets the job done like setting the enemy on fire.

You have humbled me with your genius, good sir.

[Stabby]

Jiraiya hasn't done any techniques aside from fire and summoning?

[ElderGOD]

I should just wait until he unleashes a OMG ANO-Jutus attack that uses Water for his and only time and just say that is his affinity

That's just your excuse for your future if the assumption you use as a fact ends up being wrong.

A probable event and a fact are two different things, learn the difference.


In the beginning Kakashi was shown using water technique but his chakra is lightning.

Also, Sasuke's main elemental technique is lightning eventhough his chakra is fire.


I only stated that J has only shown basic use of fire techniques and that at this point his affinity can be to any element and I also further commented explaining how I hope J is not killed off and we get to see some fancy ninjutsu eventhough I am aware that he is missing one arm.


Instead of trying to use your infinitesimal comprehension trying to figure out how what you want to happen can override other peoples post, actually try to read and understand what others have written.

You're so naive.

[The Damned]

^ What's the point of showing his affinity as something other than Fire at this point, then? It's not like he can even do a significant amount of jutsu, if any, considering he just got his damned arm ripped off and apparently only Haku, for someone unexplainable reason, was the only person to ever try and use one-handed seals.

But, hey, why I am even bothering to talk with someone I view as hopeless?

The same should go for you.

Jiraiya hasn't done any techniques aside from fire and summoning?

Outside of the Swamp thing being Earth element and Rasengans and taijutsu (including Hair and frogs tongues) having naturally no element, no, he has done nothing else.

Still, he's done more than most other people, even if Kishimoto kept undermining him at every fucking possible turn, and he deserves a good, less-dragged out death that doesn't involve him failing with a suicidal move like every other fucking battle in this anime that ended with death.

[ElderGOD]

^ What's the point of showing his affinity as something other than Fire at this point, then? It's not like he can even do a significant amount of jutsu, if any, considering he just got his damned arm ripped off and apparently only Haku, for someone unexplainable reason, was the only person to ever try and use one-handed seals.



If you would have read my earlier posts you would have read that I already mentioned the fact he only has one arm left, more than once for people like you.

You would also have read that although he doesn't have to do anything more, it will be dull to have him just die.

As I have already posted, which you haven't read/understood, the 3rd hokage, as an example, used a variety of jutsus. Even if J's affinity is fire which is highly probable, he can serve a greater purpose in the manga than just providing a small flame for oil or the standard fire techniques.

J is too important of a character to kill off just like that. I do not disagree that this may not happen. We have already seen a character get killed off without showing off much... Asuma.

J is an important character, what I'm trying to say in these posts is that if he is to go down, he better go down like the 3rd hokage, with style.

Edit:
You also forget about the frogs. Remember how Naruto formed the Seals and the Frog Boss did the transformation/chakra? The same can happen here.

[Stabby]

Why are you comparing him to the third?
Jiraiya's rep is just as a strong ninja. He isn't known for inventing crazy shit (Oro) or his awesome healing (Tsunade) or being the ninja that invented the most techniques and was nicknamed The God of Shinobi(the third).

Jiraiya is just renowned for being a badass. If he dies now, he still took out three of Peins bodies without knowing what the dude's actual abilities were. Shonen fight was over, he did his part, and now he can go to the grave.

[The Damned]

If you would have read my earlier posts you would have read that I already mentioned the fact he only has one arm left, more than once for people like you.

Ah, I like that you can be as conscending as I am too.

Thanks.

It makes this more interesting.

Anyway, considering that I'm typing these messages, which means I can read and see, I was made privy to the fact that Jiraiya had his arm ripped off when they showed in the latest chapter.

But thanks for the inane attempt at close captioning.

You would also have read that although he doesn't have to do anything more, it will be dull to have him just die.

And you're saying I'm one that can't read?

Please point out when I said he should just roll over and die.

Pretty please with sugar on top.

As I have already posted, which you haven't read/understood, the 3rd hokage, as an example, used a variety of jutsus. Even if J's affinity is fire which is highly probable, he can serve a greater purpose in the manga than just providing a small flame for oil or the standard fire techniques.

As Stabby said and as I've been wondering, why the hell do you keep comparing Jiraiya to the Third? I would imagine that it would because he was taught by the Third, but that doesn't seem to be what you're getting at since you seem to think he would be level ground with the Third.

Let's face it, Jiraiya, even in Hermit Mode, doesn't seem to have surpassed the Third. Jiraiya's not a weakling, but what's the point in being strong if you're made to be incompetent again as he is?

All we've seen is Jiraiya fail and fail because of Kishimoto's hard-on for shitting on him, which is part of the reason why I'm sure Kishimoto hyped him up so much for baseless reasons: So that he would fall even harder.

Being that Jiraiya is a "simple" character, he uses simple but effective techniques that get the job done. What's wrong with that? So he uses whores only one element? And...?

J is too important of a character to kill off just like that. I do not disagree that this may not happen. We have already seen a character get killed off without showing off much... Asuma.

"Just like that"? Uh...you're acting like Jiraiya was sniped even though, just like with Asuma, his death was heavily foreshadowed.

Jiraiya sort of needs to die at this point to continuing being important since he's the only person that can apparently make Naruto grow the fuck up instead of being a stagant fucktard like...well, Jiraiya.


J is an important character, what I'm trying to say in these posts is that if he is to go down, he better go down like the 3rd hokage, with style.

Pfft. Going down with "style" is still going down.

The Third still lost, didn't he?

Jiraiya can still put a fight, but it's not going to be at all fair one.


Jiraiya is just renowned for being a badass. If he dies now, he still took out three of Peins bodies without knowing what the dude's actual abilities were. Shonen fight was over, he did his part, and now he can go to the grave.

I still find it quite funny that the reason that Sannin called as such was because they freaking lost.

[Azrael]

Ultimately, its useless to argue over the finer details in a Plot-Hole-No-Jutsu manga such as this one.

Theoretically, ninja are supposed to specialize in the element based on their village. Konoha = leaf = wood and fire. We see that to a point, but then there are also lots of people who break that mold (like Naruto being wind fer instance).

We see Kakashi using a lot of water techniques because as the copy ninja, the vast majority of his opponents have been water-based.

And then Kishi introduced the Pokemon Earth Wind and Fire Janken Tournament, and everything went to shit. It's like trying to figure out who was stronger in the Buu Saga - Tenshinhan, or Krillin - there's no way to know, and there are far too many plot holes to try and string together a decent theory.

[sainthuey]

all Itachi has to do is wink at the fuck and it's all over.

i love this point of view, yeah i'm sure itachi just winks and would have him under Genjutsu just like that, really all he has to do is wink at anyone and he wins, think about it he could technically just walk into konoha and kill the hokage, then rule the world....yeah right:rolleyes:

[ElderGOD]

Please point out when I said he should just roll over and die.

Pretty please with sugar on top.



P.S. Jiraiya needs to die faster.

You're welcome.


I am aware of the capabilities of each character and also that in his youth J was a failure (Bell training example, shown to be like Naruto).

I'm not asking J to be stronger/smarter/etc than the 3rd, but he shouldn't just die yet.

More information needs to be revealed, and I recall Itachi hesitating with Kisame to attack him, so I would like to see the reason for this in the near chapters. Also, what has been discussed about the relations between Itachi and J is speculation.

edit:
J needs to use THAT JUTSU.

[The Damned]

i love this point of view, yeah i'm sure itachi just winks and would have him under Genjutsu just like that, really all he has to do is wink at anyone and he wins, think about it he could technically just walk into konoha and kill the hokage, then rule the world....yeah right:rolleyes:

He actually probably could kill Hokage if he were in the mind for a confrontation, after all, they are headed back to Kohana anyway.

You're welcome.

Fixed.

And I was saying that in the context that this fight had gone on too long already, especially when it teased us that it would inform us about the Rinnegan when it actually hasn't revealed anything new outside of the ghetto Byakugan.

So that sentence was basically the same as saying "Pain should just kill Jiraiya already" not "Jiraiya should do something that gets him killed already", as my previous posts about the fight had already put in chapter.

Not that Jiraiya didn't do that certain something fatal when he dropped his guard and got his arm ripped off.

But, hey, he's been made into an eternal fuck-up by Kishimoto, so that's no surprise.

Illusory EDIT:

Jiraiya already used ANO JUTSU when he used the Frog's Genjutsu technique.

[ElderGOD]

Fixed.

And I was saying that in the context that this fight had gone on too long already, especially when it teased us that it would inform us about the Rinnegan when it actually hasn't revealed anything new outside of the ghetto Byakugan.

So that sentence was basically the same as saying "Pain should just kill Jiraiya already" not "Jiraiya should do something that gets him killed already", as my previous posts about the fight had already put in chapter.

Not that Jiraiya didn't do that certain something fatal when he dropped his guard and got his arm ripped off.

But, hey, he's been made into an eternal fuck-up by Kishimoto, so that's no surprise.

Illusory EDIT:

Jiraiya already used ANO JUTSU when he used the Frog's Genjutsu technique.


You make no sense.

First you say let J die already.

Then you agree with me that we need to see more of the battle to learn the true abilities of Pain and J.

Then you go back and try to defend yourself by saying that your sentence J should die already shouldn't be read as J should do something that gets him killed, but as Pain should kill J already, which practically mean the same thing because Pain will only kill J if J does something that gets him killed.


Also, he used THAT GENJUSTSU, not THAT NINJUTSU.


In addition, if by "conscending" you meant condescending, then thank you. You really need to work on your spelling, it's much worse than mine and English is my third language.

[The Damned]

You make no sense.

Never said I did, but let's go over this slowly.

First you say let J die already.

Yes.

Then you agree with me that we need to see more of the battle to learn the true abilities of Pain and J.

No. I said that we've learned nothing as it is and it's been dragging on long enough so Pain might as well just finish him off.

It would have been nice to actually learn more than one or two things about the Rinnegan, but I doubted that we were going to learn everything about it. The fact that this fight has like 70% banter doesn't help.

Then you go back and try to defend yourself by saying that your sentence J should die already shouldn't be read as J should do something that gets him killed, but as Pain should kill J already, which practically mean the same thing because Pain will only kill J if J does something that gets him killed.

...What?

I didn't "go back" on anything considering I never agreed with you that this fight should drag out any further so that we can see Pain's Dojutsu "true"--:rolleyes:--abilities. I don't really care much at this point.

And Pain should kill Jiraiya specifically because he promised himself and Konan that he was going to use that "body to kill the intruder". And yet all he's done is dick around as seen by the fact that he allowed himself to get caught in that Genjutsu.

Also, he used THAT GENJUSTSU, not THAT NINJUTSU.

:rolleyes:

Whatever.

He shouldn't be able to use much of anything now with one arm.

In addition, if by "conscending" you meant condescending, then thank you. You really need to work on your spelling, it's much worse than mine and English is my third language.

Nah. I really need to care about what I'm talking about to spell check and I don't really care about anything, so yeah...please forgive the obvious egregious errors.

Anyway, at the end of the day, this is just a really dumb comic book that panders to really dumb fantasy-readers like ourselves and I'm dumb for wasting time on a dumb person like you that I'll never ever meet face-to-face anyway to have any type of "meaningful" discussion.

So this is just a dumb waste of time when I should be doing something else.

I think that I'll get around to that "something else" now unless you want to keep naively talking about how Jiraiya isn't going to die despite all the foreshadowing.

...Although I really don't see how you can be satsified with taking eight chapters for something that should have likely just taken six at the most.

But, alas, I'm sure you're not the only one. Oh well, it's not like you'll have to suffer my prescence anymore once this fight actually ends since I plan to stop reading this tripe for at least a little while if not indefinitely.

...And now for something completely different.

[ElderGOD]

Missing/dodging the points, getting depressed, making up stuff

Dude, admit it, you agree with me.

The only reason I want to drag on the fight is because I want to see their abilities. By drag on I do not mean give me two more chapters of crap. If so then just kill him off and move on to Sasuke Itachi encounter or reveal something more about Tobi.

You said you didn't go back on anything. Did you forget about how you said J should die already?
Then you said it shouldn't be read as J should do something that gets him killed, but as Pain should kill J already to defend yourself. This fails because those two phrases practically mean the same thing because Pain will only kill J if J does something that gets him killed.


No shit it was foreshadowed that J will die. If you stop either skipping over the posts or read them properly you will notice that the posts are about not whether or not J will die but about having J and Pain using more of their abilities before the fight ends.


Simply put for people like you, we deserve more from this fight than we got so far. Your inability to comprehend this simplicity makes you deem it as being naive. You should stop being shallow and getting upset over some SRK making a post about wanting to see more of a character's abilities before that character is killed off and take the post as it is.

[MagnusMadness]

Guys please stop this. You both have intellects far superior to naruto fans everywhere. Ego's/off.

[50 SENT]

Ultimately, its useless to argue over the finer details in a Plot-Hole-No-Jutsu manga such as this one.

Theoretically, ninja are supposed to specialize in the element based on their village. Konoha = leaf = wood and fire. We see that to a point, but then there are also lots of people who break that mold (like Naruto being wind fer instance).


second hokage?

[ViciousSLASH]

Ultimately, its useless to argue over the finer details in a Plot-Hole-No-Jutsu manga such as this one.

Theoretically, ninja are supposed to specialize in the element based on their village. Konoha = leaf = wood and fire. We see that to a point, but then there are also lots of people who break that mold (like Naruto being wind fer instance).

We see Kakashi using a lot of water techniques because as the copy ninja, the vast majority of his opponents have been water-based.

And then Kishi introduced the Pokemon Earth Wind and Fire Janken Tournament, and everything went to shit. It's like trying to figure out who was stronger in the Buu Saga - Tenshinhan, or Krillin - there's no way to know, and there are far too many plot holes to try and string together a decent theory.

Kakashi uses other Jutsu?

So far in part two all he's done is chidori, and well, more chidori. One time he shot out a water dragon thing again against Kazuku.

That is basically the downfall of naluto. So much "potentially" for all the characters and yet they are all stuck on traintracks towards one-sided charactertown.

Krillin was the strongest human on Earth because he would handle his Android woman's supreme vagina. Bulma and Chi Chi might be the strongest women because they both had TWO kids with super saiyens. That is quite the feat.

I still don't understand the arguments between things that have already happened. I mean if you have magic eyes you are super strong. End of story.

Unless you are Naluto because then you get super love/never give up/main character assist.

Itachi/Tobi/Sasuke/Kakashi just need to have there super fight and collapse the universe already.

[UnCauzi]

i love this point of view, yeah i'm sure itachi just winks and would have him under Genjutsu just like that, really all he has to do is wink at anyone and he wins, think about it he could technically just walk into konoha and kill the hokage, then rule the world....yeah right:rolleyes:

Nah, his chakra would be depleted. Answer me this? What would Jaraiya have done if Itachi hadn't already depleted his chakra/decided to run due to some plot devise later to be revealed? JARAIYA SAID HE WAS CLUELESS ABOUT GENJUTSU! Orochi lost to genjutsu as well. How people imagine old ninjas are good against genjutsu is beyond me. So far this has not been the case, shit pain got genjutsu'd.

Jaraiya would have been peaced out like Kakashi. Fool was looking right in his eyes. Dont' tell me he knew his chakra was depleted or that the frog stomach would have taken him down. Amaretsu could have been aimed at Jaraiya instead.

Itachi as of right now 1vs1 is a fucking beast and nothing proves otherwise.
Only blind fandom.

Now keep in mind this is from someone who doesn't like Uchihas. Why? Because they are broke to fuck that's why. Does that mean Itachi,Madara (insert eye freak) here won't be taken down?

Course not, that's what PNJ is for.

[ElderGOD]

Nah, his chakra would be depleted.

Amaretsu could have been aimed at Jaraiya instead.




I agree, Amaretsu is a broken ability. The chakra depletion is the main reason why you can't just go around using it. What if your opponent is a clone, then you waste most of your chakra on a single clone while the real one can come out and attack.

Also, so far, what we have seen in the ninja world is that most shinobi are trained to conserve their chakra as much as possible because they don't know what's ahead usually, and Itachi being smart knows this and therefore doesn't go around wasting his chakra. Of course this all just my opinion.

[The Chief]

Whats this rumor I hear about Tobi = Obito?

[the_judge]

Whats this rumor I hear about Tobi = Obito?

Don't believe it.

I've heard the same shit, same for Tobi being Madara.

TOBI IS TOBI!

[FOBio]

isn't itachi's vision worsened every time he uses MS? i remember something along the lines of somebody (kakashi? j-man?) saying something along the lines of "so how bad is your vision now?" this is the anime talking and not the manga, though. i just want some elaboration on this.

[The Chief]

isn't itachi's vision worsened every time he uses MS? i remember something along the lines of somebody (kakashi? j-man?) saying something along the lines of "so how bad is your vision now?" this is the anime talking and not the manga, though. i just want some elaboration on this.

That was Kakashi talking to Itachi during Shippudden.

****Not sure if this breaks a spoiler rule*****
The thing about translations is that you'll get different wording depending on who translates it.

In my opinion Kakashi was merely jeering Itachi by asking him if his vision has gone bad, basically assuming that Itachi forgot that Kakashi can use Sharingan (and possibly that Kakashi learned the Mongakyou Sharingan from Itachi when they fought before Shippudden).

[noodleman]

Sharingan is broken, period. There's no need to discuss why Pain isn't the top dog.

and yes, it's been stated that Itachi is going blind from using MS.

[Adam Warlock]

Sharingan is broken, period. There's no need to discuss why Pain isn't the top dog.

and yes, it's been stated that Itachi is going blind from using MS.

Sharingan is so broken it's on par with masturbating. Other sharingan side effects: hairy hands and dead kittens.

[The Damned]

Usual idiocy.

Admit that I agree with you on a secondary issue that I had espoused before you even started talking about it? Sure. I've been bitching about the fight the longest, so that's easy.

You seem to think that's the central issue when you haven't even answered the question that sparked this.

"...It never struck you that his affinity was with fire considering how much he uses fire-based techniques?"

You've said that it's purely "speculation" to think that he has an affinity to Fire even that's pretty much all he ever uses. And then you side-track when I ask what the hell the point of showing his main affinity would be or even have been?

Outside of showing more "diverse" abilities, which is obvious, you haven't even said why it's important for him to have shown his "main affinity" (to not be fire) other than "I want to see more". ...Even though showing that wouldn't have been the only way for Jiraiya to do more, since he could have simply used more Earth techniques since that's pretty much the only other "element" he uses.

Really, though, that's why I think our "discussion" is so meaningless, well, moreso than usual since it's like both of us are talking to some brickwall: The nature element thing is so tacked on and ill-defined that it's worthless to discuss it at this point. (I sincerely doubt that Kishimoto will flesh it out unless Naruto starts trying to do that Fuuton crap again, and even then....)

VS pretty much expresses my opinions: Almost everyone's "potential" in this manga is so squandered it's not funny, so why drag the fight on just to show more?

When would you want the fight to stop if you don't want it to go on two more chapters?

Since I "agree with you", then you should agree with me that Taijutsu Pain should just killed Jiraiya instead of ripping his arm off so that the fight would have ended already since we've been shown so little and a ninja likely needs two arms to do THAT JUTSU.


P.S. And I don't see why you keep failing to comprehend that Jiraiya has to attack to "do something so that Pain will kill him". By just being there Jiraiya is doing something that Pain can kill him for: Jiraiya is a tresspassing spy and assassin.

I'm "glad" (read: depressed) you "agree with me" that he's as good as dead.


Whats this rumor I hear about Tobi = Obito?

I thought you knew about the rumor? It's like more than a year old and pretty much surfaced immediately when Obito was introduced as Deidara's replacement partner.

Tobi is somewhat of an anagram for "Obito", with some people think that O is either an honorific, like in "Okami" (God proper as opposed to "kami" for just a god) or represents the whole in his mask for his one eye.

On top of the name, they act the same and he's fully covered up with a Deathstroke type mask for the side of his body that would still have its eye. So it seemed rather plausible.

But then it was complicated when Obito was shown to indeed have the Sharingan but refer to himself as having Madara's power.

Ergo, the newer rumor would be "Obito = Madara = Possessed Tobi" or some variation of that.

[noodleman]

Sharingan is so broken it's on par with masturbating. Other sharingan side effects: hairy hands and dead kittens.
For a better description of how broken sharingan on the power scale...Ten Ten is the opposite end of the power scale (on the negative side). That's how broken Sharingan is.


Sharingan <+ ----------------------0---------------------- -> Ten Ten

[Wil]

Holy shit, the name of such a useless character has been spoken yet again. :looney:

[ElderGOD]

The usual nonsense and missing the point


Part 1:

The point of "ALL of this" of J to live on is to entertain me.
That's the main purpose that this manga serves me.

If that will not happen then let the next chapter begin with J getting destroyed.


Part 2:

If you have any more unintellectual things (aka nonsense) to contribute (or feel like making up more assumptions and stating them as facts) then see Part 1.



edit:
Ten Ten has potential to be hot, stop hating on her.

[The Chief]

...Thanks...Well, I tend to avoid 90% of fan speculation because 89.9% of it looks random garbage that wouldn't even make sense even if it was realized in the next chapter.

So when I hear somthing that sounds somewhat plauseable, I tend to open up an expired can of worms in order to get the low-down on the lastest speculation/nonsense. It's much easier than trying to jump on the fan-hype-wagon at the moment the rumor surfaces.

I mean technically if the writter wanted to reveal that Tobi is in fact Obito all he has to do is write it into the series. That's it. The series may lose or gain fans during that time but it's just an example of the power the creators have.

For that reason alone, I tend to avoid fan hype. In all honesty, I think the main reason I follow this series is just to see if some of my assumptions will will materialize.

BTW: Does Ten-ten have hips? Or does she stuff toilet paper in her pockets?

[The Damned]

Dodging answering.

So it just comes down to taste in that case, which I don't care to even pretend to waste time like with this.

So I hope you enjoy another chapter of just banter as "entertainment".


And TenTen having potential to be hot does not make up for her being utterly worthless.

Just like, you know, it should in real life, but I guess mankind as hope really is hopeless when it comes to superficial beauty having "worth".


Chief: No problem.

[noodleman]

edit:
Ten Ten has potential to be hot, stop hating on her.

get him Adam! Bring the hate!

[Power Man Fox]

JIRAIYA SAID HE WAS CLUELESS ABOUT GENJUTSU! Orochi lost to genjutsu as well. How people imagine old ninjas are good against genjutsu is beyond me. So far this has not been the case, shit pain got genjutsu'd.


^ That's from the chinese scan translation. Which was later proven to be a mistranslation(sp). Jiraiya say's "Im not a genjutsu type". Big difference.
Jiraiya taught naruto how to counter genjutsu. For not being a genjutsu type that's pretty nice.

[Azrael]

I still like VS's theory that the entire Naruto world is just Itachi's dream, and one day he's going to wake up and peace out everybody.

Random note - my girlfriend and I were watching some Naruto reruns on TV - the Sannin fight. If you'll remember, this arc had the pedo-riffic ending of the girls playing on the beach in bikini's. One person in particular comes up...

GF: ...Who the hell is that?
Me: Her? Oh, that's Tenten.
GF: ...Who?
Me: Tenten.
GF: There's a Tenten in Naruto?
Me: Yeah, you know, she's on Rock and Neji's team.
GF: ....Oh! That useless slut!

I could not stop laughing for a whole 10 minutes.

[Kisame]

they should have kept the fight of tenten exactly how it went down in the manga to the anime.

was hilarious.

[4neqs]

Originally Posted by ElderGOD

Ten Ten has potential to be hot

---
That could apply to anyone. All you need is a katon from Itachi...

[The Damned]

Random note - my girlfriend and I were watching some Naruto reruns on TV....

! [/Metal Gear sound effect]

I thought Japanese TV didn't have any reruns?

GF: ....Oh! That useless slut!

I could not stop laughing for a whole 10 minutes.

Haha. This current girlfriend of yours seems awesome.

[Azrael]

! [/Metal Gear sound effect]

I thought Japanese TV didn't have any reruns?
Regular TV (usually) doesn't. We were watching cable.

Haha. This current girlfriend of yours seems awesome.
She is.

Any girl that can properly hate on Tenten gets a :tup: in my book.

[Biolink]

I still like VS's theory that the entire Naruto world is just Itachi's dream, and one day he's going to wake up and peace out everybody.

Random note - my girlfriend and I were watching some Naruto reruns on TV - the Sannin fight. If you'll remember, this arc had the pedo-riffic ending of the girls playing on the beach in bikini's. One person in particular comes up...

GF: ...Who the hell is that?
Me: Her? Oh, that's Tenten.
GF: ...Who?
Me: Tenten.
GF: There's a Tenten in Naruto?
Me: Yeah, you know, she's on Rock and Neji's team.
GF: ....Oh! That useless slut!

I could not stop laughing for a whole 10 minutes.

Your GF's cool :rock:

[ElderGOD]

Not comprehending the post or being ignorant

+

So I hope you enjoy another chapter of just banter as "entertainment".




I stick to what I said (typed).

You asked why introduce J's affinity to be something else other than fire? Because it would be entertaining to watch some cool ninjutsu and being predictable is boring. This is also why the Zabuza arc was so great, when they left the village (Konoha), you were in a state of suspense, with anything being able to happen at any corner. Now it's just DBZ, the boring played out version...

If you haven't noticed making the manga is in order to make money, and people buy it to be entertained, so it would only be logical that there would be an attempt to make it entertaining. So far, as I have stated numerous times, the fight was dull. I have also stated numerous times if J won't do anythng "cool" then they should kill him off, but your reading/comprehension disabilities prevent you from understanding that, which is evident in that post of yours that I just quoted.


I also stick to what I said about Ten Ten, she does have potential. Although I do use the term potential lightly. If anything they can still use her as operation human shield.

[Adam Warlock]

Haha. This current girlfriend of yours seems awesome.
...and made up. I demand pics. ...of her vagina and a monkey holding a bowl of applejacks just so we know the pic isn't photoshopped.

I also stick to what I said about Ten Ten, she does have potential. Although I do use the term potential lightly. If anything they can still use her as operation human shield.

Hey! I just a took a potential and backed up the toilet. Rofl at human shield. You must want a lot of people to die.

[ReggieHadoken]

Hey, if TenTen dies being a human shield than she has at last served her purpose in the Naruto world.

[MagnusMadness]

Everytime I get mad thinking about tenten..I think of how she peaced out in the Chuunins...fucking hilarious.

[MuD]

The Damned: I wish this fight had shown more of the Rinnegan, since it hasnt, J should die.

ElderGOD: I wish it would keep going, so that it can show how much of a BEAST J is. SHOW MORE JUTSU!

Did i miss anything?

Now, as far as one-handed jutsu, i gotta think, you can do it, it's just gonna cost ya. Requires more time, more concentration, and with a broken chakra circulation system, will probably cause much more of a strain/permanent damage. More of a last ditch, know im gonna die so why not try sorta thing. Tienshenhan anyone?

As far as Elemental Justu, im thinking the third, with his vast knowledge, brobably encouraged broader ranged element training. It would help against the Rock Lords "FIRE BEASTS WOOD", so that one village wouldnt always beast on another. Third probably took it upon himself to learn as much, just so he could pass on a lot. (made him really good in the process)

As far at TenTen: nothing short of her learning Chakra Strings to either have more circular control of her weapons, or to attach them to an opponent to keep them from moving, will help her. Entry level ninjas dont get hit by thrown weapons, and anyone worth anything is good enough up close to either get away, or use some element/genjustu to hurt/distract her. Or maybe she needs a quick distracting Genjustsu to throw them off long enough to hit them with really big Throwing Stars.
... or become a med nin with incredible scalpel skill.

Predictions: Itachi and Sasuke fight. Itach wins. Naruto witnesses, gets mad, and kills a weakened Itachi. Finds out J got killed, and has his "i know im strong, now i need to grow up/fulfill my destiny" game changing moment, and seeks out Pain. Gets beat up, but with the help of all his friends (probably throwing their hands up, to sacrifice chakra), Naruto gets the juice enough to use a warp-rasen-shurriken thingy. Then he has babies with HINATA AND SAKURA, AT THE SAME TIME. And punches Tenten in the ovaries, making sure her brand of wackness NEVER gets passed on in their village.
Bitterly enraged, Tenten becomes the next ninja terror to plague the entire ninja world...

[ElderGOD]

as far as one-handed jutsu



The frogs can form the seals for J.




they should have kept the fight of tenten exactly how it went down in the manga to the anime.

was hilarious.

I didn't get the chance to laugh, it was too quick.

[Dhalsimowns]

Pein will obliterate J to the point of death and let him live. The frogs will take J back to Konoha, Tsunade will heal him with true love, and he will pass on/reveal everything to Naruto. He will have been beaten so bad though that he cant fight anymore and is only used to empart wisdom. He gets depressed, says goodbye to Tsunade somehow and goes back to those mountains.

Or Pein just kills him. Probably.

[UnCauzi]

^ That's from the chinese scan translation. Which was later proven to be a mistranslation(sp). Jiraiya say's "Im not a genjutsu type". Big difference.
Jiraiya taught naruto how to counter genjutsu. For not being a genjutsu type that's pretty nice.

Yeah and Naruto is SO great at countering genjutsu. :rofl:
So knowing some genjutsu means he can counter all genjutsu?
Get the fuck out of here. Obviously some genjutsu works on a
whole nother' level of understanding.

[The Damned]

Bitterly enraged, Tenten becomes the next ninja terror to plague the entire ninja world...

Haha. That's a good one.

More like the next Great Ninja Depression.


"Fear my Anbu-level missing abilities!"

"God, being a ninja in this universe sucks."


P.S. And was a pretty precise summation.

[The Chief]

Your GF's cool :rock:

Yeah AZ's one of the lucky ones.

I ended up chunking a table at one of my ex's when she said "MOON!!!!" after I yelled "EARTH!". :mad:

[MuD]

Yeah and Naruto is SO great at countering genjutsu. :rofl:
So knowing some genjutsu means he can counter all genjutsu?
Get the fuck out of here. Obviously some genjutsu works on a
whole nother' level of understanding.

But do you REALLY think that he'd leave such a glaring hole? I mean, Achilles had ONE HEEL and it cost him, youre talking about 1 of the 3 MAIN BRANCHES of jutsu. I cant think he woulda survived that long without some counter work again genjutsu.

Plus, that'd make the Third a really bad teacher. And we know that's not true...

[noodleman]

if TenTen was a human shield, shit would just fly right through her, or miss her completely and whatever shit she was suppose to block would hit its intended targets.

[MagnusMadness]

But do you REALLY think that he'd leave such a glaring hole? I mean, Achilles had ONE HEEL and it cost him, youre talking about 1 of the 3 MAIN BRANCHES of jutsu. I cant think he woulda survived that long without some counter work again genjutsu.

Plus, that'd make the Third a really bad teacher. And we know that's not true...

He can't be perfect. UnCauzi was basically saying that itachi level genjutsu is some whole nutha utha shit. (if i understood him correctly)

[Muff Daddy]

Rinnegan has more hax bet it. As far as Tsunade Tsukiyomi works instantly and what is she going to do against Ameretsu, exploding bushins and the like. I see Tsunade getting tentacle raped.

Can Ameretsu hit a moving target?

Can Itachi put more than one person in genjutsu at a time?

Do people still believe that Oro couldn't have killed Itachi if he had actually wanted him dead?

[The Chief]

Apparently, Itachi doesn't have to catch multiple targets in genjutsu at once. It only lasts a split second in real time (but feels like days/weeks to the person caught).

In 10 seconds Itachi can wink, point, look, twitch and attack 20 opponents in succession droping all of them to their knees. Of course the only variable is how much stamina his body has at that time to determine how much genjutsu he can cast.

Am I wrong?

I'm pretty sure since using his eye techniques take chunks of his stamina/chakra, Itachi will only be able to rely on those techniques for so long meaning his hand to hand skills will have to do the rest.

This could explain why Itachi has NEVER attacked first in the battle/confrontations we've whitnessed.

[Infernoman]

...and made up. I demand pics. ...of her vagina and a monkey holding a bowl of applejacks just so we know the pic isn't photoshopped.

yep that is quoted now...Poor Tenten...so useless she's not even a has-been...she's a never was...

[Muff Daddy]

Apparently, Itachi doesn't have to catch multiple targets in genjutsu at once. It only lasts a split second in real time (but feels like days/weeks to the person caught).

In 10 seconds Itachi can wink, point, look, twitch and attack 20 opponents in succession droping all of them to their knees. Of course the only variable is how much stamina his body has at that time to determine how much genjutsu he can cast.

Am I wrong?

I'm trying to remember: How many times did Itachi use his best moves while he and Kisame were in Konoha?

How many moves did he end up doing before he got tired? He Mango'd Kakashi, I remember that. And then he used Black Flame to get out of J's stomach trap, and by that point he said he was basically tuckered out. Did he Mango someone prior to using Mango on Kakashi?

[UnCauzi]

But do you REALLY think that he'd leave such a glaring hole? I mean, Achilles had ONE HEEL and it cost him, youre talking about 1 of the 3 MAIN BRANCHES of jutsu. I cant think he woulda survived that long without some counter work again genjutsu.

Plus, that'd make the Third a really bad teacher. And we know that's not true...

Orochimaru was the star pupil and he got owned by gengutsu. Pein is Jaraiyas student and he got owned by genjutsu. Kakashi is Yondaimes student and he got
owned by genjutsu. The third was trapped in the 2nds darkness genjutsu.

Yes, I do.

[Kisame]

he used mangekyou sharingan 3 times, did an exploding kage bunshin, a mizu bunshin, a water move, and a sharingan genjutsu cancel.

We know that using the mangekyou sharingan requires more than 30% of his chakra as he couldnt use it with a shoten clone so using it twice in that short span and had already used it just a couple of hours ago is pretty good.

Kakashi used it 3 times in one day and couldn't even move anymore. Itachi used it 3 times and the only thing that happened was that he had to cut his sharingan off.

[dn3000]

he used mangekyou sharingan 3 times, did an exploding kage bunshin, a mizu bunshin, a water move, and a sharingan genjutsu cancel.

We know that using the mangekyou sharingan requires more than 30% of his chakra as he couldnt use it with a shoten clone so using it twice in that short span and had already used it just a couple of hours ago is pretty good.

Kakashi used it 3 times in one day and couldn't even move anymore. Itachi used it 3 times and the only thing that happened was that he had to cut his sharingan off.

Thats because Kakashi is not a Uchiha. The difference is in the blood... the use of the normal sharringan eye puts a strain on kakashi.

[Kisame]

Thats because Kakashi is not a Uchiha. The difference is in the blood... the use of the normal sharringan eye puts a strain on kakashi.

Kakashi has pretty much gotten over that timeskip. He can go what 12-13 hours and still wasn't tired. With him just using the sharingan to do the mangekyou moves the chakra amount required to do his wormhole should be around the same for Itachi's mindrape/superfire. Mangekyou is just a chakra hog move.

[DarthTrey]

Orochimaru was the star pupil and he got owned by gengutsu. Pein is Jaraiyas student and he got owned by genjutsu. Kakashi is Yondaimes student and he got
owned by genjutsu. The third was trapped in the 2nds darkness genjutsu.

Yes, I do.

yes but the Third did get out of it........

[De4dEyE]

yes but the Third did get out of it........

To be honest, IIRC the third got out of it because he was ripping the 2nd's soul out of his new body. I'm pretty sure that'll disrupt any genjutsu..

[MagnusMadness]

Genjutsu is basically IronMan's infinite. Simple as it may seem....the setup can be elaborate and super advanced and once you get hit by it, you and your whole team is fucked.

[4neqs]

Paineto with Konalocke aaa

[UnCauzi]

aka don't look down on someone who gets fucked by a genjutsu it seems to be the only super technique making kage level ninjas shit on themselves short of the deathgod.

[Dhalsimowns]

Here's the thing about Itatchi and his genjutsu MS.
Everytime I have seen anybody in a genjutsu, they know they are in the genjutsu. So, doesnt that defeat the whole purpose of a genjutsu?

I mean, here's the science behind it. If you know your in an illusion it really isnt an illusion is it? Much less, if you know its an illusion and not real how can it affect you? Its like being ina dream and knowing your dreaming, so you do somthing crazy in the dream because you know you are dreaming and will wake up.

The only tiem I have ever seen it be succesful is Itatchi cutting of Orochi's hand because Orochi didnt know he was in it, he was fooled. All the other times there are big flowers, and people morphing, and obvious "Ohh, your in a genjutsu thing." Even when kurenia was in that space jutsu by th elittle artist girl, its like, wtf..."Ohh, dont erase me when I could just chop your head off."

Genjutsu is overrated and nonsensical in the series imo. I mean, to end this argument for all time, the technique J taught Naruto to escape genjutsu would have worked if J was doing it, guaranteed. Naruto almost pulled it off, and its probaly why Itatchi fled J. If technques to escape genjutsu are that simple then Itatchi has right to fear J.

rant over

[Havoc]

You really say some of the stupidest stuff.

[Keits]

Genjutsu captures the senses to weave an illusion. Knowing its an illusion does little to change what information your senses are decoding as your reality. Genjutsu CAN effect you, though not psyically. The pain you feel inside one is real... there is just no physical damage to you irl.

Im not sure I explained that right, Dhalsim, but you have the wrong idea with 'knowing you are in one should cancel it'.

[Weeks]

Kakashi knew he was in the MS genjutsu; that didn't stop him from getting peaced

[ElderGOD]

Here's the thing about Itatchi and his genjutsu MS.
Everytime I have seen anybody in a genjutsu, they know they are in the genjutsu. So, doesnt that defeat the whole purpose of a genjutsu?

I mean, here's the science behind it. If you know your in an illusion it really isnt an illusion is it? Much less, if you know its an illusion and not real how can it affect you? Its like being ina dream and knowing your dreaming, so you do somthing crazy in the dream because you know your dreaming and will wake up.

The only tiem I have ever seen it be succesful is Itatchi cutting of Orochi's hand because Orochi didnt know he was in it, he was fooled. All the other times there are big flowers, and people morphing, and obvious "Ohh, your in a genjutsu thing." Even when kurenia was in that space jutsu by th elittle artist girl, its like, wtf..."Ohh, dont erase me when I could jut chop your head off."

Genjutsu is overrated and nonsensical in the series imo. I mean, to end this argument for all time, the technique J taught Naruto to escape genjutsu would have worked if J was doing it, guaranteed. Naruto almost pulled it off, and its probaly why Itatchi fled J. If technques to escape genjutsu are that simple then Itatchi has right to fear J.

rant over


You should walk off a cliff.

Don't worry about falling and breaking every bone in your body because you know gravity exists.

[Kisame]

Knowing you are in the genjutsu doesnt stop it. Tsukiyiomi or even regular genjutsu. We know that Genjutsu skills are related to intelligence and even Shikamaru couldn't break out with sheer willpower or chakra control. He had to injure himself with a B-Level genjutsu.


And Orochimaru knew he was in genjutsu didnt stop him from getting his arm cut off.

[Dhalsimowns]

You should walk off a cliff.

Don't worry about falling and breaking every bone in your body because you know gravity exists.

That makes no fing sense and doesnt relate to what I said.

People are talking about all this genjutsu again, and it working/not working on hokages etc, and of course Itatchi is involved.

^^^ etc,

So its my thing with genjutsu in the whole series basicly. And yes, it shouldnt work if you KNOW its working. Its like a catch 22 and has always bugged me cause it seems like it makes Itatchi's MS too pwerful for no reason.

You cant be hypnotized if you know you are hypnotized or if somebody is TRYING to hypnotize you. Like when Itatchi did it to Naruto. "Oh, my shoulder turned into Sasuke...this must not be real.." DUH!! Its like spy's and elite soldiers developing immunities to drugs. Take a truth serum, it makes you tell the truth. But soldiers k