Naruto 7.0

[SaiST]

Chakra even more accursed than the Kyuubi's? :rofl: What the hell is Kishimoto turning the Uchiha into?

VS, time to add another bullet to the list. Uchiha break the story.

This fits in line with what Itachi was saying too. Uchiha of old have the power to suppress the likes of the Kyuubi? They were wasting a ton of their potential.

[catchafire]

Man, whatever... Kishimoto is straight garbage at the moment. The Uchiha are MAD BROKEN! How the hell can you have youngsters like Itachi and Sasuke (both sharingan users) just beast on veterans like this?!?! Please, at this rate Itachi is probably stronger than the Hokage that sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto. COME ON!!!

And I'll be supremely mad if Naruto's greatest skill is converting people to his side and to believe in him. Bull Shit. If he can't do anything for himself then he's worthles and i'm tired of Sasuke beating Naruto. He's on a streak right now.

And what the hell did Kyuubi mean by "Sasuke, don't kill Naruto?" The Kyuubi is basically telling Naruto that Sasuke is stronger than him! Because we all know that this Kyuubi characted is up to no good so he's just trying to save his own hide. Pfffft. Bull Shit.



HOWEVER, Through all of this I notice a BOLD weakness in SASUKE:

He was ready to use his trump card (that jutsu) on a whim. This goes against shonen law, which advises that you ALWAYS save your trump card for moments when needed, NOT when your winning the battle. However, Naruto didn't even bother to use ANY jutsu against Sasuke. A true friend! I'm severely impressed with Naruto because he really isn't even trying to hurt Sasuke or even fight him.

[SaiST]

How the hell can you have youngsters like Itachi and Sasuke (both sharingan users) just beast on veterans like this?!?!
Itachi, yeah(and there's a reason for it). But Sasuke hasn't shown himself to be any(or much?) stronger than the elite of Konoha just yet.

Please, at this rate Itachi is probably stronger than the Hokage that sealed Kyuubi inside of Naruto.
He's probably been stronger, which isn't so big of a deal to me.

I've said it a few times on this forum before, we don't even know if Yondaime was stronger than Orochimaru back in the day. He was obviously much more suited to being Hokage, and had the necessary qualities to protect the village. But Orochimaru, the man who was originally raised to be Yondaime Hokage, could have been the superior Ninja.

Yondaime was still young, Jiraiya said that he had the potential. He probably died well before his prime.

However, Naruto didn't even bother to use ANY jutsu against Sasuke. A true friend!
Are you forgetting the condition Naruto's in? He only had enough chakra to use a technique that he could use nigh-comfortably in Part 1(Tajyuu Kage Bunshin, and as we saw before Sasuke blew his room apart earlier, Naruto was already making Bunshins around Orochimaru's lair to search for Sasuke). He didn't have much chakra to use much on Sasuke, nor was he really given much of a chance to show off before Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi.

I'm severely impressed with Naruto because he really isn't even trying to hurt Sasuke or even fight him.
Wonder what he was doing before the Chidori Nagashi then. :razzy:

[catchafire]

Ha, you still didn't mention anything about my last point. You should never rush to use your trump card. Naruto for the win.

Also, i'm getting a bit tired of this "search and convert" Sasuke theme. I mean, there are so many Akatsuki members the story needs to focus on. This is getting a tad bit drawn out.

[SaiST]

Added Sho's translation of 309 (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3160283#post3160283).

You should never rush to use your trump card. Naruto for the win.
Sasuke is hastey. Shame on him.

Also, i'm getting a bit tired of this "search and convert" Sasuke theme. I mean, there are so many Akatsuki members the story needs to focus on. This is getting a tad bit drawn out.
I agree, but it can go a lot of different places from here. There's definitely going to be much less focus on saving Sasuke(though, obviously, Naruto and Sakura aren't going to just give up on him), the past few chapters have made his intentions clear; he's not going to be swayed anytime soon. Naruto's been gimped, and the chapter preview mentions about how he feels powerless, he's going to go through an upgrade and some more Akatsuki will likely become involved. Orochimaru let them live for the sole purpose of getting rid of Akatsuki, so I don't see that being pushed too far to the side for much longer.

[Adam Warlock]

Ha, you still didn't mention anything about my last point. You should never rush to use your trump card. Naruto for the win.

Also, i'm getting a bit tired of this "search and convert" Sasuke theme. I mean, there are so many Akatsuki members the story needs to focus on. This is getting a tad bit drawn out.

I don't know if you're dumb or you just like the taste of naruto's nuts, but there seriously isn't a lick of sense in anything you just said. How old are you again?



And I'll be supremely mad if Naruto's greatest skill is converting people to his side and to believe in him. Bull Shit. If he can't do anything for himself then he's worthles and i'm tired of Sasuke beating Naruto. He's on a streak right now.

Sasuke is on a streak against Naruto, yet Naruto for the win... right...


And what the hell did Kyuubi mean by "Sasuke, don't kill Naruto?" The Kyuubi is basically telling Naruto that Sasuke is stronger than him! Because we all know that this Kyuubi characted is up to no good so he's just trying to save his own hide. Pfffft. Bull Shit.

Or the Kyuubiy was trying to warn Sasuke that if naruto dies he's free to wreak havoc. "We all know"="Catchafire thinks." You don't know shit about the Kyuubi's intentions because they haven't been revealed.

Also, since when is saving yourself a bad thing?


HOWEVER, Through all of this I notice a BOLD weakness in SASUKE:

He was ready to use his trump card (that jutsu) on a whim. This goes against shonen law, which advises that you ALWAYS save your trump card for moments when needed, NOT when your winning the battle.

Which is the Machiavellian bullshit that lets your enemies turn the tables and beat you. They were weakened, tired and Sasuke was at full strength. The smart thing to do is finish them quickly, not play with them and wait for a James Bond comeback.


However, Naruto didn't even bother to use ANY jutsu against Sasuke. A true friend! I'm severely impressed with Naruto because he really isn't even trying to hurt Sasuke or even fight him.

Dumbest point yet. naruto wins because he didn't do shit? Are you serious? Despite the extreme likelyhood that there is a Jutsu he could have used, we haven't seen any evidence that he could have done anything to save himself. Everything points to the contrary and you're just spouting bullshit to change the fact that Naruto is garbage. We all know he'll change later on and beast, but right now is not that time. Just accept it, as well as the fact that at the moment he is not fucking with Sasuke on any level.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

^^ lol@ that:rofl: Soo true.


I been saying from the start that naruto is a trash ninja.... The lamest character in the show and the show is his! But anyway, I guess the Uchiha are the sayians of the naruto world. And ironically enough there are only "two" or maybe "three" left in the whole world.

Also naurto is the king of using his speical Jitsu's asap...


what we learn from this chapter

In short Naruto might end up being the cheerleader for his own show. For a long time to come.
Naurto can only win/defeat sasuke if he fully embrances the kyubi and learn to control it/him.
Uchiha are the most powerful "class" so far in the manga.
If your fighting someone of Uchiha blood, more than likely they can kill you effortlessly.
Sasuke and itachi are the "new" breed of uchiha, aka they have the potenial to be the super sayians of there bloodline. Like this mysterious Uchiha of old...

Someone really likes dbz ;)


And naurto is getting good agian!!!(the manga) Maybe naruto (the character) get focus on one thing or the other

[catchafire]

And thank you adam for responding to my post. Well, you're clearly on the Sasuke bandwagon so all the points I raised would be challenged by the likes of you... I'm just taking a negative situation for Naruto and adding some light to the situation. I view the glass half full and i'm optimistic about my favorite character in the series. However, parasitic Sasuke fans like yourself always find a way to put down people who believe in Naruto. Maybe you see a little bit of the coldness in Sasuke's heart in yourself?

No, I'm not dumb and you shouldn't think yourself smart. Just because you woke up with Sasuke's dick up your ass doesn't mean that you should share your Sasuke orgasm with me.

I don't know who the fuck you are, don't care who the fuck you are, have NEVER replied to ANY of your posts, so just put me on ignore because it's clear to me that you can't have a positive conversation without trying to humiliate someone just becuase their opinion differs from yours...

[Adam Warlock]

And thank you adam for responding to my post. Well, you're clearly on the Sasuke bandwagon so all the points I raised would be challenged by the likes of you...
The likes of me? Oh shit, I've got an arch enemy! CURSES! FOILED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've liked Sasuke's character from day one, but even I admit when he's done. You're just babbling now. I countered all your points with valid information from the manga, you just refuse to see it. Quit being the quintessential fanboy and wake up. No one said Naruto won't save the day. They just said he's outclassed, and PLENTY of people outclass him. You're just mad because he isn't the strongest at the moment. Why you feel compelled to make excuses for his shortcomings I have no idea.


I'm just taking a negative situation for Naruto and adding some light to the situation. I view the glass half full and i'm optimistic about my favorite character in the series. However, parasitic Sasuke fans like yourself always find a way to put down people who believe in Naruto. Maybe you see a little bit of the coldness in Sasuke's heart in yourself?
There's a difference between being optimistic and just plain making shit up. Quit crying because you lost a debate. It's a forum. I bet right now you're slicing your palm and making a vow to be Hokage. "I will *sniff* be the STRONGEST *sniff* *whine* *ovulation* NINJA EVER!"



No, I'm not dumb and you shouldn't think yourself smart. Just because you woke up with Sasuke's dick up your ass doesn't mean that you should share your Sasuke orgasm with me.

Wow. Did he just flame me? Did I just step into a Revenge of the Nerds part 9? You've got Naruto's balls so deep in your throat they look like your adam's apple and you're calling me a fanboy? Dude, you can't win this by yourself. Better hit the Saist Signal!



I don't know who the fuck you are, don't care who the fuck you are, have NEVER replied to ANY of your posts, so just put me on ignore because it's clear to me that you can't have a positive conversation without trying to humiliate someone just becuase their opinion differs from yours...

Because we all know if it doesn't have Saist's name on it, you're not interested. You're like a Kage Bunshin of his left testicle.

I don't give a shit about you to want to humiliate you. I just got tired of reading the bullshit you make up.

[L.one H.iryu S.aga]

Hahaha.

Please don't tell me Naruto lost twice to Sasuke. Oh god... I should catch up to the rest of you sometime.

[Adam Warlock]

Hahaha.

Please don't tell me Naruto lost twice to Sasuke. Oh god... I should catch up to the rest of you sometime.

Didn't get the chance. Sasuke punked his entire crew on a whim and then Orochi stopped him from finishing them off. Sasuke even had the kyuubi punked. Now is the time for naruto to train and come back.

[L.one H.iryu S.aga]

You mean grow a brain and quit relying on the Kyuubi to save his ass 24/7?

I wholeheartedly agree. Welcome back to The Sasuke Show.

[Gasaraki]

Sasuke's just abusing that gameshark like no tomorrow :rofl:

[catchafire]

The likes of me? Oh shit, I've got an arch enemy! CURSES! FOILED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nope, just someone who thinks the shit meter in your head is about to burst.


There's a difference between being optimistic and just plain making shit up. Quit crying because you lost a debate. It's a forum. I bet right now you're slicing your palm and making a vow to be Hokage. "I will *sniff* be the STRONGEST *sniff* *whine* *ovulation* NINJA EVER!"


Yes, you are right. At this very moment i'm planning my take over of Konoha and how to bang Tsunade all while ridding Sasuke out of my life!

I didn't lose this debate, because for one thing i'm not trying to win it. Only internet geeks and dorks get hype over winning an online internet debate.


Wow. Did he just flame me? Did I just step into a Revenge of the Nerds part 9? You've got Naruto's balls so deep in your throat they look like your adam's apple and you're calling me a fanboy? Dude, you can't win this by yourself. Better hit the Saist Signal!


So it's okay for you to insult me and not expect me stand up for myself? So it's okay for you to flame and for me to just... take it? You seem to be stuck on calling people nerds, geeks, and fanboys which i've NEVER called you, maybe your projecting you own nerdiness onto other people... ? Maybe, just perhaps?

Still, even if I was a nerd, fanboy, or geek as you proclaim is that so much of a bad thing? I'm comfortable in my own skin and am happy to do the things I want without having to worry about what people will think of me. Grow up man.


Because we all know if it doesn't have Saist's name on it, you're not interested. You're like a Kage Bunshin of his left testicle.

I don't give a shit about you to want to humiliate you. I just got tired of reading the bullshit you make up.


Why are you bringing other people into this argument? Did I once mention his name in this "conversation" of ours?

Like I said, just put me on ignore because I don't want you to "humiliate" me Mr. Internet Tuff Guy. There's a simple solution to just skipping over posts that I make and moving on. Is this concept to much for you to grasp?

[Adam Warlock]

All those words and you post this:
There's a simple solution to just skipping over posts that I make and moving on. Is this concept to much for you to grasp?
You fail. I'm betting your user name was inspired by the sensation your mom's uterus felt during your birth. Antibiotics FTW!

Back to the thread.

[Geese Pants]

Naruto- Why don't you understand?!
Naruto- You'll have your body taken over by Orochimaru!
Sasuke-...
Sakura-...
Sai-...
Sasuke- If that happens...that happens.
Naruto- !?

Page 10
Sasuke- You're still being a child, Naruto.
Sasuke- Vengeance is everything to me.
Sasuke- Whatever happens to me, or to this world is not my problem as long as my vengeance is completed.
Sasuke- I'll say it simply.
Sasuke- As I stand now, I cannot defeat Itachi, nor can Orochimaru.
Sasuke- But by giving my body, I could accomplish that. If I get that power

After reading this, I feel Sasuke is still an emo punk.............even with his new beasting.

Naruto needs to snap out of this bullshit and save Sasuke............

[UnCauzi]

Anyway, I'm thinking that Kyuubi might know something about the Sharingan that Sasuke doesn't. As in it's progression leads to utter madness. One of those go crazy and destroy yourself and the universe things. What else could be worse than releasing mister unlimited super demon fucker. Just my theory.

At least this chapter on the surface proves my theory. Never, ever, make a battle
debate versus an Uchiha. Even if they lose, in the end they will win.

Broken isn't the word. More like shattered.

[catchafire]

All those words and you post this:

You fail. I'm betting your user name was inspired by the sensation your mom's uterus felt during your birth. Antibiotics FTW!

Back to the thread.

? OKAY. It's the name of an early Bob Marley & the Wailers album. It's either their career would Catch-A-Fire or sizzle into oblivion. That's what drew me to use the name as my handle because there was so much meaning behind it. In fact, their group definately caught-a-blaze and has spurred you to use some of that fire to flame me. My mother did not Catch-A-Fire in her uterus contrary to your belief.

Anywho, i'm not here to pick fights with anyone but just to discuss the Naruto manga. Is it my fault that Kishimoto constantly pushes Sasuke and his agenda while neglecting the "star" of the series? Yes, this series should be re-titled Sasuke. And now that Sasuke is gone, when will be the next time he appears in the series? Next year maybe and then they will do the whole "chase and abate" story line again?

Blah, just wish some positive things could happen for my favorite character, that's all... :sad:

[Pained Auron]

You mean grow a brain and quit relying on the Kyuubi to save his ass 24/7?

I wholeheartedly agree. Welcome back to The Sasuke Show.


so i take it that you will now be reading this again so you can jack off to every single picture of sasughey that kishi draws?

[Bowza]

Hmm Sasuke said that by giving his body he might be able to accomplish killing Itachi. Didn't think he'd be so cool with losing his body.

[SaiST]

The Madara from the anime/manga Madara was the son of a demon king and a human, and wielded the sword of Kusanagi (there were two swords in that story, and they combined at the end which is something to think about).

Madara also had a half brother who was basically his arch-nemisis, but they helped each other in the final battle against their father.

It's also interesting to note that the series Madara also uses the term chakra to describe life energy. The chakra in that series was also utilized as a tool in fighting.
Uwaaahhh...

* SaiST goes to bed.

[Rodimus]

Overall i think 309 was good. I don't like the fact that the kyuubi was scared of sasuke's potential, plus the fact that at the very moment nobody is fucking with sasuke.

No need for my boy kakashi to show up, Orochimaru made the save..lol. My questions now is where the hell does the manga go?

Kishimoto should have written all-out chaos right now, sasuke beasting @ the sametime 2 akatsuki members show up, yamato sent a bunshin back to konoha for back up etc--nah that's just me wanting a royal rumble.

we all can see that naruto got shafted with the training, but maybe this experience will help naruto focus on improving. he no longer has to worry about sasuke. he shouldn't give up on his boy, but focus get stronger and train with multiple people not just jiraiya. Can somebody give me more insight on jiraiya, his last student was the 4th--what's going wrong with naruto? nobody feels good about seeing him and his nine tail get beasted on.

oh well, we'll prolly see what the akatsuki have been up to.

[DragonSama]

Unless Sasuke thinks he can somehow wrestle control back from Oro and use Oro's power to defeat Itachi. But it is typical of Sasuke's character type. At the end when he dies (my prediction is the final fight between Sasuke and Naruto will result in the death of Sasuke) he will have the Vegeta sad death of “all my life was about fighting and revenge. What a wasted existence” and bam dead.

I’m not to sure where Naruto goes from here though. Also Kakashi has been gone for way too long so it’s time to bring him back into the fold for some major training time with Naruto.

[Sharktongue]

iirc sharingan is some sorta mutation of the byakugen. Could that have something to do with this "cursed" business? As seeing as it isn't really its own bloodline thing, its an offshoot of a more "pure"bloodline? I dunno, just grasping at straws.

Yea the uchiha's have been broken for sometime now, we got the glimpse of that from the very outset of itachi.

I still don't see how they can beat the hyuuga's though. sharingan has always b een about genjutsu , to the point of it being the ultimate form. Byukagen i thought could see through all that nonsense, and can even be used to block up chakra usage. just dont see whyh they dont run rampant with my boy neiji as they did with sasuke

[Havoc]

Byakugan can't see through genjutsu. And Byakugan can't block chakra. They're taijutsu does that, but they need to get close to use it.

Hyuugas need close range combat for the most part. Uchihas don't need that at all.

Kishi has made Neji a beast, but like all the other characters, he's just getting ignored.

[Hunter D]

I pray that this is the turning point for naruto. The guy needs to go away for another 3 years and really train. His goal should be to kill sasuke, or better yet to kill Itachi and steal away what sasuke has been working towards since his youth.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Byakugan is the evoled sharingan right? That means it should> sharingan. Infact they need to kill off all the Byakugan user but neji, Hinata and her sister so they can power them up for the fight vs the Uchiha.

[Pimp Willy]

Sasuke didn't destroy the 9-tailed fox, did he? It's almost like he destroyed him entirely. If so, that doesn't make any sense that his last words would be telling Sasuke not to kill Naruto, unless he actually has feelings?

And, if Uchihas were this broken, surely there would be records in the village as to their potential. What the fuck were they thinking sending Sai to kill Sasuke? What's he going to do, paint him a pretty picture to distract him while his Pokemon drawings sneak up from behind?

[Pained Auron]

kishi needs to stop riding sasughey's dick

[AlphaDragoon02]

Sasuke didn't destroy the 9-tailed fox, did he? It's almost like he destroyed him entirely. If so, that doesn't make any sense that his last words would be telling Sasuke not to kill Naruto, unless he actually has feelings?

And, if Uchihas were this broken, surely there would be records in the village as to their potential. What the fuck were they thinking sending Sai to kill Sasuke? What's he going to do, paint him a pretty picture to distract him while his Pokemon drawings sneak up from behind?

Well, it seems like he sealed/suppressed Kyuubi's chakra from inside Naruto's mind...

Overall, this shit was retarded. They made Sasuke FAR too powerful, unless he's gonna be the final villain or something. Which STILL won't work, because he says Itachi (who is a scrub in Akatsuki, there are guys STRONGER THAN HIM) is still better than him and Oro.

Naruto, Sakura, and Sai basically just run around a lot and do nothing, Sasuke's GIVEN UP on beating Itachi and has resigned himself to letting Oro do the job for him in his body, and the entire time-skip was POINTLESS except to give everyone new outfits, since we're now going to have to watch Naruto/Sakura train some more only this time there's no Kakashi Gaiden to look at instead of lame-ass Rocky chapters.

Kishi's fucked up. HORD.

[Sacr3D]

sharingan more powerfull than kyubi or something like that wow thats bullshit

[TheDarkPhoenix]

WTF?!? How is anyone suprised here? They made sasuke too strong? WTF this dude is trying to KILL itachi the strongest charcter introduced into the manga sofar, so of course he has to be a beast. And according to Itachi none of there clan had even come close to using the potenial of the sharingan. And it seems itachi doesn't even know of this "other" Uchihas that the Kyubi speaks of (unless it is him) So here we have 4 potenial Ultra power charcters running around in the manga and what do they all have in common? Sharingan! Even kakashi is a beast and he only has One....


Its apparent that No ONE gets just how powerful this blood line trait is. It seems Orchi understands, and i'd expect no less from him. But it seems yall are sleeping on the sharingan's potenial beastly power.

From the start Sasuke was showed as the charcter that had a goal and would stop and nothing to get it. naruto was a determine goof off that had the power to make people change and sakura is support.... Thats It! It aint gonna change anytime soon. If naurto can beat Sasuke b4 Sasuke fights his bother that means sauske has 0 ZERo chance of defeating his bro.

Now if naurto "powered up" and defeated itachi then that would be intresting!... And would provide for a very good story.


Anyway Sasuke had to become the most powerful out the 3 when they introduced Itachi and his crazy strenght. I knew that was coming, anything else would suck, and make no sense at all. Now its time for naurto to power up (hopefully) put his game face on. And Kill the atsuki members hopefully Killing itachi b4 Sasuke. But not before Sasuke and brother can fight atleast once.


It can go like that or it can go the way of Orchi actually getting sasukes body and becoming uber. And having a knock down drag out fight with kyubified naruto with all 9 tails destorying them both in the process.

I for one am glad sharingan can stand up to kyubi's powers. Kyubi shouldn't be end all be all.


Infact the Byakugan needs to be broken in...It should own all

[Sacr3D]

not only this sasuke being strong as fuck is dumb but the reason for orochimaru to leave naruto and co alive is dumb. Why would they even need them for akatsuki when oro and co have ALOT more power to fuck with them. Its just an other stupid reason to let naruto like the 3 years excuse with akatsuki not getting naruto.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

not only this sasuke being strong as fuck is dumb but the reason for orochimaru to leave naruto and co alive is dumb. Why would they even need them for akatsuki when oro and co have ALOT more power to fuck with them. Its just an other stupid reason to let naruto like the 3 years excuse with akatsuki not getting naruto.


Akasuki have itachi, Itachi has sharingan, sharingan>Orochi and friends..... (they might even have 3 sharingan user's among the group) Orochi just fought Naruto and C.O, and prob knows they could take out at the very least 1 member. Which = better chances for him and his group. Hence him talking about having a 1% bette chance. It makes total sense to pit all your enemys against each other.....

Orochi main goals are/were to Destory the leaf and learn every jitsu and become immortal. He's playing his cards well....

[catchafire]

So true Sacr3d... If Naruto and co aren't powerful enough to take on Sasuke by his lonesome what the hell should make them be able to take out Akatsuki members? Granted they took out puppet king what's his face, but does this mean that Sasuke is on the same level as some Akatsuki members?

[ViciousSLASH]

VS, time to add another bullet to the list. Uchiha break the story.



They are walking plot holes. Sigh.

Isn't Kyuubi supposed to be like the most powerful "omg" thing in the entire Naruto world ?

He's been hyped for what, like 300 chapters now, and now he just got punked out by "The Walking Plot Hole"

The whole time skip was a complete waste of time. Pun intended.

[noodleman]

Naruto- Why don't you understand?!
Naruto- You'll have your body taken over by Orochimaru!
Sasuke-...
Sakura-...
Sai-...
Sasuke- If that happens...that happens.
Naruto- !?

Page 10
Sasuke- You're still being a child, Naruto.
Sasuke- Vengeance is everything to me.
Sasuke- Whatever happens to me, or to this world is not my problem as long as my vengeance is completed.
Sasuke- I'll say it simply.
Sasuke- As I stand now, I cannot defeat Itachi, nor can Orochimaru.
Sasuke- But by giving my body, I could accomplish that. If I get that power


does any one else see the pedo innuendo in that? looks like sasughey is ready to bend over for oro.

[ShinAkumax]

What the hell is the password?

[AlphaDragoon02]

You know what I just thought about? All this "Uchihas can suppress Kyuubi chakra" and "Uchiha Madara the UBER ninja" business has yet another side effect:

Naruto will eventually surpass the Uchihas. Because it's his story, and once he finally starts kicking ass he'll do just that...KICK ASS. But because they've set the bar so high now with these insanely powerful guys, for Naruto to surpass them he'll have to become what we all feared...

Goku the 2nd. In his world, ninja start destroying the fucking planet with jutsu and death means nothing. Gee thanks Kishi.

[Hunter D]

They are walking plot holes. Sigh.

Isn't Kyuubi supposed to be like the most powerful "omg" thing in the entire Naruto world ?

He's been hyped for what, like 300 chapters now, and now he just got punked out by "The Walking Plot Hole"

The whole time skip was a complete waste of time. Pun intended.
lol doesn't matter that Kyuubi is supposed to be powerful, what matters is that sasuke is the most popular character in japan. Most popular character gets all the love from the quthor because that character is the main draw.

Same thing happened in gundam seed. The popular characters in that series never had any battles that you could say they got completely owned in.

[Stabby]

The last page of the manga should just be a closeup of a sharingan. Then they should retcon the entire series and name it UCHIHA.

Alpha, it doesn't matter. Naruto was training for three years and EVERYONE surpassed him. He literally hasn't done shit since he came back, except go Kyuubi. And even when he does that, he gets put down like it was nothing!

[Hunter D]

The last page of the manga should just be a closeup of a sharingan. Then they should retcon the entire series and name it UCHIHA.

Alpha, it doesn't matter. Naruto was training for three years and EVERYONE surpassed him. He literally hasn't done shit since he came back, except go Kyuubi. And even when he does that, he gets put down like it was nothing!
I have been saying this from the get go. Naruto didn't have to turn into a stonecold fighting machine, just improve and learn a few new techs and become a little bit more serious. Instead kishi gives us more of idiot naruto and turns sasuke into a badass.

This manga's title truely has no meaning at all.

[R.P.D rookie]

kishi needs to stop riding sasughey's dick



I can tell you're loving every minute of the manga now, lol. Cheer up, he'll get beasted on soon enough........maybe.



Besides, Saskue is Kishi's favorite character last time I heard, so obviously he's going to want him to have his moments.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

WTF does anyone even like Naruto? He's been Booty since jump?

[Zachman]

This manga is way too predictable!! I knew sauske would be stronger than Naruto after the timeskip and we all know eventually that Sauske will kill Oro.

P.S. Kishi needs to explain kabuto's purpose in life because it makes very little sense that he does so much for oro and wants nothing in return.

[4neqs]

He's Smithers to Orochimaru's Mr. Burns

[Starhammer]

RE: ep 187...........................

uh, did I see that right? is Naruto the leader of the Odd Squad? It's like Kishimoto heard me cry," more of the unused characters!! Give the others some screen time!!!" and took my greatest hopes, dreams, and desires, and punched me in the nuts with them.

At least the manga has hopes now.

-Starhammer-

[R.P.D rookie]

Perhaps the manga finally has too many characters to actually devote sufficient time to all?

[Zazzarius]

At least the manga has hopes now.

after checking out the latest chapter not so much anymore.

the Uchiha has the bloodline power of the C.Fierce

[L.one H.iryu S.aga]

so i take it that you will now be reading this again so you can jack off to every single picture of sasughey that kishi draws?

...

Do you ever shut up?

[Pained Auron]

...

Do you ever shut up?



nope. never. i only exist to torment you

[phillyblack]

i didn't think i would ever say this but for the first time since becoming a naruto fan i can honestly say i'm starting to dislike this shit!!!!!! i swear the way kishi is pushing the uchiha he should have named this fucking anime"Sasuke and his quest for vengence" or "Trials and tribulations, the life and times of Uchiha Sasuke". everybody else,EVERYBODY has shown SOME kind of improvement, naruto is the only lame duck still running around doing the same old shit!!! what the fuck where him and Jiraiya doing for three years? Was Jiraiya teaching naruto to become a better writer so he can take over "come,come paradise" when Jiraiya finally dies? The naruto that just got his nutz handed to him by sasuke couldn't beat the guy that does the Akatsui's dry cleaning!!!!! three years of training to make a SLIGHTLY bigger rasengan is just fucking stupid. i was soooo sure that naruto was gonna FINALLY make us proud and bust out with some hot ass new jutsus:sad: . hell i would have been happy if he would have used jiraiya's hair jutsu!!!!!oh, and W-T-F!!!! the NINE TAILS is beggng for his life to be spared now:confused: ? come on......



Sasuke being able to surpress the nine tails is bullshit on SOOOOOOO many levels!!!!!the nine tails is THE strongest of all the yoma, it should NOT have been that easy for sasuke to put him in his place. if being inside naruto has made him THIS WEAK, than he needs to draw up an escape plan and bust the fuck out!!!! oh and the kyubi showing signs of fear in the presence of sasuke is fucking CRAZY!!!!

i'm done my rant for now, just had to went after this lame ass chapter.

[SaiST]

After looking at a few other translations, it seems the Kyuubi didn't say that Sasuke(and Madara)'s chakra as a whole was greater than his own, but that it was more... Sinister, cursed, darker, etc, which I find acceptable. I mean, even if they have some sort of special lineage, it's impossible for their chakra reserve to be on par with the Kyuubi no Youkou's. It's one of 9 huge huge manifestations of chakra, and the strongest of them. The chakra type, and the intent behind it is another matter entirely... Still a big deal, but their chakra isn't stronger than the Kyuubi's.

Sasuke being able to surpress the nine tails is bullshit on SOOOOOOO many levels!!!!!the nine tails is THE strongest of all the yoma, it should NOT have been that easy for sasuke to put him in his place.
It's not much different from Yamato suppressing it using Shodai's ability. Sasuke's just doing it through Sharingan here. In both cases, it's not a matter of raw power, so it's not like Sasuke's overpowering the Kyuubi's chakra, or he can control the Kyuubi itself. This probably only works on Jinchuuriki.

Still sound unreasonable?

oh and the kyubi showing signs of fear in the presence of sasuke is fucking CRAZY!!!!
What fear? All he did was start warning Sasuke not to kill Naruto.

[Kusanagi02]

Man it seems as though Naruto is goin the route of DBZ. I'm not giving up on it though. Hopefully somethin will change in story to turn it back around.

[Stabby]

Blah blah blah, translation was wrong just like Stabby said

You owe me a goddamn sandwich.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Stop crying because naruto is Ms new Booty.... Must you automatically like or feel that naruto should be the best because the show is named after him??!?? Thats the only reason i can see alot (not all) but alot of you being upset. The show is named naruto and the character Naruto isn't the best. Naruto has been garabage from the start, did like 3 impressive things and has been trash the whole while....He has passion, he has ambition, he has drive....He also is one of the least talented ninja out of the village. Even with the power of the kyubi he still has problems. Could you imagine Neji or sasuke or heck rock lee if they had kyubi power locked up inside of them that they could call upon??? They would be super beastly.


This is a story of a average boy outcast, that has great potenial growing up.....


So he didn't learn anything to much in the time he spent training (or so it seems) What do you expect?!?! He's Naruto....The hard working determine Goof off, and he's teacher is the exact same...


Man I can't believe people are upset naruto hasn't shown progress while everyone else has. When has it ever been different?!?!?! He'll train get a random power boost surpass everyone and then get Passed up again and repeat.



I'd love to see a good, skilled naruto on the battle field....But I'll save that for naruto x or whatever they're going to call it because it deffently won't happen in this manga. (If it does its a couple years in the making....)


And why is everyone upset that Sasuke could supress the kyubi? Not like it hasn't been done B4, and its pretty Obvious that Unchia are the top tier class so far in the manga....Lets not for get who Sasuke it training with either..... Those two together are a pretty broken pair/combo


Kyubi is suppose to be the strongest Demon thing right? Does that mean he's the strongest thing in the manga ever!!? I doubt, maybe the one of the strongest or the strongest that the village of the leaf has ever faced but if kyubi is suppose to be the strongest in the manga then then manga as a whole is weak...... You shouldn't put the most powerful creature in body of your man "hero" unless the manga/Anime is gonna be handle in a couple chapters of 26-28 episodes..


Bah i could go on and on...

[Starhammer]

after checking out the latest chapter not so much anymore.

the Uchiha has the bloodline power of the C.Fierce

Even Sagat can be beaten. Easy? No. Impossible? No. Same for Sasuke. It looks like it'll be just as big a pain finding out how to do it too.

-Starhammer-

[Niksurugi]

I'm not upset because Naruto is "Ms New Booty"...it's just bad writing. Naruto was a beast before the time skip...he almost beat Sasuke, they were pretty much on the same level. Now 2.5 years after training with Jiraiya (a goof as you say...now a BEAST) he sucks...after the vast improvement he showed in part 1 in much shorter time frames? That my friend is ridiculous. I know what the author is trying to set up and he's done it...base naruto won't rely on anything but his own power...as if it took Jiraiya that long to figure out kyubi chakra was a bad thing. Stupid. But before I get started on that rant...he's screwing other characters over too. Sasuke is a beast now, but he's much weaker than he used to be. A guy who told Naruto not to interfere in him and Itachi's last battle has now apparently decided that he could never hope to defeat Itachi by himself...(how can you like that as a Sasuke fan? Him just giving up...) and will give orochimaru his body for free. This will change after he gets owned by regular Naruto....BUT it doesn't make any sense because regular naruto sucks ass after 2.5 years of training...to get stronger in a shorter amount of time looks silly to me.

It's not a surprise Naruto got owned, he was weakened..I myself believed he would have been tooled by Sasuke anyway at full HP with Kyubi chakra...which is sad. 2.5 years of training to your clothes come off and you still can't do anything...yet you were the worst genin and become the best in less than a year...and the Sharingan is getting ridiculous...

Sasuke...Lee...Neji...cannot handle the Kyubi chakra. Didn't you read the last arc...the whole big issue was naruto was the only one CAPABLE of even having him in their. Kyubi power messes up a lot of stuff...it's not a free powerup...yes he is the strongest thing in the Naruto universe and nothing will be stronger than that except maybe whatever Akatsuki is planning with that anima statue and all the bijus.

Other random lame things..."We'll let you live so you can defeat more Akatsuki..." even though 4 of you got owned by young Sasuke...as if you could hope to defeat an Akatsuki.

The "clash" with Sasuke turned into let's stand around and get owned by him...Sakura just stood there, which would have been "cool" in part 1 because that's all that she was good for...but after 2.5 years of training with Tsunade and a promise to help out next time...she failed miserably. Sai, the "strongest of his generation did NOTHING...got hit once and was down for the count lol. And Yamato, decided to "get serious" when Orochimaru was right there...terrible. They looked like children in front of Sasuke...and realdarkphoenix...please don't reply with "Sasuke is trying to kill Itachi the strongest ninja evar111!"...answer this for me, the organization with super powerful ninja organization is after who...and who is Itachi assigned to specifically? That isn't motivation to get strong? trying to save your friend who is about to get owned in 3 years isn't motivation to get strong?...

[TheDarkPhoenix]

I'm not upset because Naruto is "Ms New Booty"...it's just bad writing. Naruto was a beast before the time skip...he almost beat Sasuke, they were pretty much on the same level. Now 2.5 years after training with Jiraiya (a goof as you say...now a BEAST) he sucks...after the vast improvement he showed in part 1 in much shorter time frames? That my friend is ridiculous.


Its not just bad writing its the way he (the writer) intents Naruto to be.... Weak, with a strong desire to be the best. Showing that determination and will>all. Trainning with someone who method of training you is to tell you a lil bit and then let you figure it out on your own While he goes get a drink with the ladies (based on the training we saw earlier i assume it was more of that) Isn't the best training method, not even for someone like naruto.

Naruto almost beat sauke then, and he (sasuke) develop his "third eye" in the middle of the fight. So for most of that fight he was at a disadvatage and still held it down. And Naurto only learned the rasengan or however you spell in his short training with Jiraiya. Even tho it took some other random person years.... Thats it! Thats the only move... and along with that i guess you can say better control of his chakara. You can look at it like this, I played marvel since release and when i 1st started playing I got pretty good really fast. Then it slowed down. Whats to say the same couldn't happen in training? Espeically if your teacher doesn't really "train" you persay.


I know what the author is trying to set up and he's done it...base naruto won't rely on anything but his own power...as if it took Jiraiya that long to figure out kyubi chakra was a bad thing. Stupid. But before I get started on that rant...he's screwing other characters over too. Sasuke is a beast now, but he's much weaker than he used to be.

Sasuke is part of the bloodline. In his training im sure he knows how beastly the "eyes" are. Infact he has experinced it where as naruto has No clue what he's up against. Apparently only Orochi understands there True potenial.


A guy who told Naruto not to interfere in him and Itachi's last battle has now apparently decided that he could never hope to defeat Itachi by himself...(how can you like that as a Sasuke fan? Him just giving up...) and will give orochimaru his body for free. This will change after he gets owned by regular Naruto....BUT it doesn't make any sense because regular naruto sucks ass after 2.5 years of training...to get stronger in a shorter amount of time looks silly to me.

I look at it like this, in Mvc2 terms..... If you ("sasuke", who only just started training) started playing Marvel today and start beast beasting on me("naurto", who's been training for years), I'd be pretty determine to really put some effort in now getting better, if not only just to beast you.....Hence how things should go in the manga.... Allowing naruto to really have a reason to get focus and stop reallying on kyubi influnce so much or fully imbrance them, and that allows for a major jump in strenght to fight and beat Sauske.

Now lets say all your main goal to do is defeat Justin Wong (Itachi) and Sandford(orochi) was willing to train you but you had to pretty much give up everything you were doing and follow him to acomplish that goal.




It's not a surprise Naruto got owned, he was weakened..I myself believed he would have been tooled by Sasuke anyway at full HP with Kyubi chakra...which is sad. 2.5 years of training to your clothes come off and you still can't do anything...yet you were the worst genin and become the best in less than a year...and the Sharingan is getting ridiculous...


Just because you train doesn't mean you'll get better. Also Its not like Sasuke didn't run with someone Just as powerful (IMO more powerful than Jayria) Also there combanation of skill and speicality fit together much better than naruto and Jayria's.

Sasuke would have beasted a fully power naruto as well... He's on another lvl compared to everone in the manga. The Sharingan has been ridiculous since Sasuke stole rock lee's "speed" somehow with em. And it always proves to counter/be greater than whatever you throw at it.... I thought it was broken/cool back then but it was lame to me that he stole rock lees "thunder" just by looking at him. Its no different here, sharingan = greater than trapped kyubi and naurto. its just ridiculous now because its a character ya like.


Sasuke...Lee...Neji...cannot handle the Kyubi chakra. Didn't you read the last arc...the whole big issue was naurto was the only one CAPABLE of even having him in their. Kyubi power messes up a lot of stuff...it's not a free powerup...yes he is the strongest thing in the Naruto universe and nothing will be stronger than that except maybe whatever Akatsuki is planning with that anima statue and all the bijus.

Not saying they can or can't (even tho its stupid they wouldn't be able to naurto's a normal human aside the kyubi just like them) my point is that If they could They would have put it to far better use than naurto has. FAR better.... And its No way kyubi is the strongest thing in the narutoverse lol.....maybe for now. But there's a whole world out there. I refuse to believe that Kyubi is the biggest baddest thing around on earth..

Other random lame things..."We'll let you live so you can defeat more Akatsuki..." even though 4 of you got owned by young Sasuke...as if you could hope to defeat an Akatsuki.

They got sasori, and with the combined efforts of the leaf, I'm sure they can and will take down a few more members. Its not like they aren't coming looking for naurto anyway which means they have to deal with a whole village not just with those four. Hence what happen with Dedara and Sasori could happen again.


The "clash" with Sasuke turned into let's stand around and get owned by him...Sakura just stood there, which would have been "cool" in part 1 because that's all that she was good for...but after 2.5 years of training with Tsunade and a promise to help out next time...she failed miserably. Sai, the "strongest of his generation did NOTHING...got hit once and was down for the count lol. And Yamato, decided to "get serious" when Orochimaru was right there...terrible. They looked like children in front of Sasuke

They all were weaken 1st of all, (not that it would have matter in the long run) sakura got beasted by naurto. Sai got blasted by Sasuke twice! And had been fighting the whole time. Naurto is still weaken. And Yamato has been using Chakara constantly..... They all attacked and the all got owned, no excuse's.


...and realdarkphoenix...please don't reply with "Sasuke is trying to kill Itachi the strongest ninja evar111!"...answer this for me, the organization with super powerful ninja organization is after who...and who is Itachi assigned to specifically? That isn't motivation to get strong? trying to save your friend who is about to get owned in 3 years isn't motivation to get strong?...


Obviously not, naurto is not focus, even sasuke told him this. He doesn't really care about the people after him he wants to get his "friend back" or you would think..but sometimes he wants to be Hokage most of all. He needs to get focus and realize you can't save everyone you care for. And he needs to realize his friend might not be worth saving..... I'm a pretty forgiving guy but after years of trying to save a friend and telling them they're in trouble you got to let them do things there way. Not to mention his friend was about to kill him... That kinda hurts a friendship imo....

Sasuke has the most broken "power" in the anime and is the most focus and willing to do whatever it takes to acomplish his goal. not saying thats a good thing, (look at the guy) but it explains why he's leaps and bounds over the rest of the cast. Even teachers......He has the "complete' package..

Its not just bad writing its the way he intents Naruto to be.... Weak, with a strong desire to be the best and save everyone. And the potenial to do so.....

[Pimp Willy]

In all fairness, we still haven't seen Naruto get into a fight post-time skip without going 4 tailed. He didn't really fight Sasuke, he was snuck up on when he was stunned, Sai stopped the sword that would have killed him, then he was beasted on by a flowing chidori. Naruto goes into himself to tell the fox to shut the fuck up. Sasuke shows up, dispels the fox. Yamato does some crazy wood summoning thing? Sasuke jumps away, Oro shows up, end of fight.

Naruto never once tried to fight Sasuke. So there is still hope for him.

[Muff Daddy]

i haven't read any of the comic, but i saw an episode of the anime where Gai said something to the effect that he developed a way to get around kakashi's sharingan by looking at his feet instead of looking him in the eye; and when itachi shows up for the first time in the anime, Gai tries to do just that; not very effective, but at least it's a strategy against the sharingan's brokeness. maybe naruto can have akamaru do the flying piss attack in saske's eyes...

Its not just bad writing its the way he intents Naruto to be.... Weak, with a strong desire to be the best and save everyone. And the potenial to do so.....

a lot of characters are this way. i assume most people already know this, but there is a "genius vs hard work" theme that's constantly repeated in Naruto. Neji is to Lee as Saskue is to Naruto as Orochimaru is to Jiraya as Kakashi is to Gai: can hard work prevail over genius? Gai tells Lee in the anime, "You're not a genius, but you're a genius at hard work." i just wish they'd speed up the anime.

[Niksurugi]

That's quite a lot to reply to so I'll just say a few things for now...

Naruto learned kage bunshin in one night...a supposed high level jounin technique...as a genin.

Naruto beat up some chuunin dude at the beginning
Naruto beat kiba...
Trained with jiraiya for a month...
Beat neji...the STRONGEST of the leaf genin...
Then beat Gaara...
Learned Rasengan in like a month...a super high level technique that took years to develop
Dropped Kabuto...someone who was equal to Kakashi
Was equal to Sasuke in the end...stronger before his curse seal powerup...a guy who punished him in the beginning

So basically, you have a guy who started as a super scrub (no guidance, no parents, no friends)...became one of the best at the end of part 1...then after 2.5 years of training hardcore...(Sannin Teacher) with someone he made great progress with BOTH short intervals, you're saying it makes sense for him to come back WEAK after training until his clothes came off? Not only to save his best friend whom he sees as a brother...but so he won't get owned when the super powers come for his life. That makes sense to you?...You're saying the author pulled this off well? If that's true I don't think there would be so many complaints.

Read Hajime no Ippo or Berserk man, Guts and Ippo are beast but still manage to be underdogs...this dude made Naruto regress just so he could keep him in that role. He failed imo, if he wanted to do that he should have had him train with iruka-sensei for 3 years.

You wanna use bad marvel comparisons...you're saying you play marvel with 2.5 years with Jwong and you won't improve...you'll get...worse?...And your only goal was to not only improve...but to be the BEST?...lol I guess so.

Sasuke did not "steal lee's speed"...he stole his technique...he trained to get the super speed in a month...which is pretty lame but you can't just take agility. It has to be developed.

Why people are angry with the Sharingan...he keeps giving it new powers. At first it could copy techniques and read movement...now it can warp time and space...instant non-counterable genjutsu death...ENTER PEOPLE'S MIND like Proffessor X...suppress Kyubi chakra...burn holes into inescapable frog stomachs..etc, did I miss anything?

And Sasuke...the young avenger...now he needs HELP to kill Itachi, he won't even be doing it himself...too good. How was Yamato weakened...and sai too for that matter? They did NOTHING, didn't even use any jutsus. Did Sakura show any signs of injury once she fell from the tree?...

The Arc was bad, and how they are handling Naruto's "growth" is makes me go "......."

ALSO: Jiraiya did train the 4th...so his training methods might not be that bad.

[DragonSama]

I don't know if Gai ever had a chance against Itachi. It is interesting to note that both times that Gai was waiting in the wings to fight Itachi, Itachi bailed on him. I think Gai would have had a tough fight and maybe even died during the fight by opening all his gates to beat him. Even then it might not have been enough. Sadly we will never know.

I've been saying since day 1 of the time skip that the way Naruto is now is exactly the way I expected him to be after training for 2.5 years with Jiraiya. Everyone over estimated Jiraiya as a teacher. He might have been a good teacher when he was younger and training the 4th but he changed and became a dirty old pervert who could care less about training Naruto. Had Naruto Trained under Kakashi or Gai or heck even Kurenai or Asuma I would have expected more but sadly not with Jiraiya. Which is a waste because Jiraiya really could have shown him something.

Maybe the next “gotta Train to get stronger” story arc will show us something more. I really think Naruto needs to train with Kakashi to 1 learn the Chidori and 2 learn a counter to it. Then move on and Train under Gai to get better at Taijitsu and to learn opening the gates. If Naruto learns to open his gates and use Kyubi Chakra he could easily beast anyone in the anime. Right now though he is low tier.

[Niksurugi]

I don't know if Gai ever had a chance against Itachi. It is interesting to note that both times that Gai was waiting in the wings to fight Itachi, Itachi bailed on him. I think Gai would have had a tough fight and maybe even died during the fight by opening all his gates to beat him. Even then it might not have been enough. Sadly we will never know.

I've been saying since day 1 of the time skip that the way Naruto is now is exactly the way I expected him to be after training for 2.5 years with Jiraiya. Everyone over estimated Jiraiya as a teacher. He might have been a good teacher when he was younger and training the 4th but he changed and became a dirty old pervert who could care less about training Naruto. Had Naruto Trained under Kakashi or Gai or heck even Kurenai or Asuma I would have expected more but sadly not with Jiraiya. Which is a waste because Jiraiya really could have shown him something.

Maybe the next “gotta Train to get stronger” story arc will show us something more. I really think Naruto needs to train with Kakashi to 1 learn the Chidori and 2 learn a counter to it. Then move on and Train under Gai to get better at Taijitsu and to learn opening the gates. If Naruto learns to open his gates and use Kyubi Chakra he could easily beast anyone in the anime. Right now though he is low tier.


Nah man, Kakashi is a terrible teacher, he neglected poor naruto and sakura and put all his attention on Sasuke. The gai thing is a good idea

[DropOff]

Whats the point on hating on Naruto? He's going to be the hero in the end. Beside that I don't wanna call it dick riding, but why is everyone all into sasuke all of a sudden? Over powered characters are boring. Sasuke has no personality what so ever. He's a big baby, and I really don't understand his fanbase, maybe it has something to do with every sasuke AMV being set to "Crawling in my skin"

I will admit that this stuff about Naruto being weak sauce is pretty lame. I havn't really read Naruto 2 yet. Still getting through the anime. I finally got around to finishing watching the sasuke retrieval arc last month. What eps should I skip ahead to?

[Stabby]

We like Sasuke because unlike certain characters, he has shown considerable improvement.

And I forgot that Jiraiya trained the fourth! Naruto has no damn excuse!

Also Phoenix, think of it this way--

Naruto is weaker than all the other characters right now. So to get stronger and reach their levels, what does he have to do?

I'll give you a hit. Its what hes been doing for the two-and-a-half-fucking-years with Jiraiya.

[Pimp Willy]

How can you know Naruto is weaker? He hasn't fought as himself yet for you to know that.

[JustBeenIced]

uummm,, did any of u guys ever think what would happen if naruto did become strong enuff to beat down sasuke and oro?

ahem**cough***

Naruto wins the fight, takes sasuke back to the village where he's unhappy and tries to escape again(for revenge), and we have a repeat of wat happened before the timeskip. the end.

So y the hell do u guys want naruto to win right now? sure he could've shown more jutsu's and stuff but all that is probaly getting saved til later when they face the akasuki. I rather see everyone getting along and fighting stronger and different enemies than see them fighting each other, which is the same shiet, sasuke went from chidori in hand to chidori all over, zzzzzzzzz(remember the foot chidori?? c'mon those guys almost called it) the only thing exciting was when sasuke got inside naruto's head, but that's it, he hasn't done much.

[noodleman]

well, Naruto hasn't really had the chance to show off any new moves (other than a super ragsengan vs itachi? and 4 tails) due to his lack of chakra, so i would think it's still too early to count Naruto out for his lack of new techniques.

[Rodimus]

Well at least we have some excitement going on, even though it's at Naruto's expense. all this talk about sasuke, i'm starting to get worried about Itachi. If orochimaru and sasuke can't take em--then shit nobody can. except of course the akatsuki leader...

Is Itachi planning on taking the leader down? because itachi's level of the sharingan should be able to part the solar system going by the new developments..lol.

don't worry we all must have faith, Naruto is gonna be that hokage we always wanted to see, saving jonin's mixing jutsu's, having kage bunshins doing rasengans---we just gotta wait that's all--for how long i don't know?? :sad:

[AlphaDragoon02]

So basically, you have a guy who started as a super scrub (no guidance, no parents, no friends)...became one of the best at the end of part 1...then after 2.5 years of training hardcore...(Sannin Teacher) with someone he made great progress with BOTH short intervals, you're saying it makes sense for him to come back WEAK after training until his clothes came off? Not only to save his best friend whom he sees as a brother...but so he won't get owned when the super powers come for his life. That makes sense to you?...You're saying the author pulled this off well? If that's true I don't think there would be so many complaints.


QFT.

This is why it's bullshit, not because Sasuke's stronger than Naruto right now (that was to be expected, after all) but because they NERFED everyone else to display Sasuke's strength, especially Naruto.

A guy who becomes one of the top badasses of Part 1 in about a year's time and grew by leaps and bounds over the course of a couple months with Jiraiya should not, I repeat, SHOULD NOT SEEM WEAKER THAN HE WAS WHEN HE LEFT after having 2 AND A HALF YEARS to train with the very same guy, to the point where his fucking clothes are WORN TO PIECES.

That my friends, is a nerf. Plain and simple. Even though the time-skip SHOULD'VE BEEN where the bulk of Naruto's upgrading save a few new jutsu here and there came from, Kishi wanted to stick us with yet another "training montage" part of the manga. When Naruto and Sakura were faced with Sasuke, they should've laid it all out on the table to bring him back, even if he punked them out. Instead, they stood there and did NOTHING while their goal stood right in front of them, and Naruto magically seemed like more of a scrub than his 12-year old self.

If you ask me, since they threw in the BS of Sasuke being able to "suppress" Kyuubi's chakra, they didn't even need to icreate Yamato at all. Make Naruto first go 4-tailed against Oro at his lair instead of the forest, then Sasuke jumps in as Oro's about to get punked out and suppresses the chakra, thus achieving the "Sasuke is a badass now" effect and ditching what now seems to be a useless character to the plot.

[ShinAkumax]

Beside that I don't wanna call it dick riding, but why is everyone all into sasuke all of a sudden?

cough* Neji for the Win! cough*

[Hunter D]

Does anyone else feel that this manga veered off its original path a long time ago? This story went away from following naruto on his journey towards becoming the hokage to all about sasuke. kishi introduced a side character in sasuke that is too good. The result being the change in the direction of the story.

[Pimp Willy]

If you think about it, the only thing Sasuke did was hit everyone with a flowing chidori. And you know what? It just stunned everyone and knocked em down. It didn't seem to phase Yamato, whereas nobody could take a direct Chidori in stride. Then, after that, Sasuke jumped away.

So... in that sense, Sasuke didn't really beast on everyone, there was hardly a fight to begin with. He got in the only attack. Yamato looked ready to beast on him near the end of the fight, who knows what we'll see in the future.

I doubt he could take on Sakura, Sai, Naruto, and Yamato in a direct fight if they were all fighting at full strength. But time will tell.

[hoax]

I think everyone is jumping way ahead of themselves. We haven't really seen Naruto fight (we saw maybe 3 cells of it during gaara/akatsuki arc), and we haven't really seen Sasuke fight. I would barely call what happened in that chapter a fight.

[Mario Lemieux!]

Crotch kick no jutsu ftw

Sharingan can't X copy it because it is so painful your eyes are forced to close and you double over in pain.


Go for broke!!

[Stabby]

Naruto's encounters since the timeskip--

Itachi bushin - Peaced out INSTANTLY by a finger. Couldn't even break the genjutsu.

Deidara - Didn't do shit except smash into walls.

Insert random being-made-a-fool by Sai

Orochimaru - Jumped to Kyuubi lvl 4 and would have gotten his ass kicked if Kyuubi wasn't invincible.

Sasuke - Had to be saved by the rest of the team, gets blasted by a lame chidori, then gets his Kyuubi shut down. And Sasuke just walks away.

He's had 60 chapters to prove his worth. He hasn't done anything noteworthy or impressive in the last 1/5th of the fucking manga.

[ViciousSLASH]

We like Sasuke because unlike certain characters, he has shown considerable improvement.

And I forgot that Jiraiya trained the fourth! Naruto has no damn excuse!

.

Remember when Naruto learned the Rasengan ( an S level move that only 3 people, one of them dead, know ) in less then a week?

2.5 years and Naruto has learned nothing. Everyone should be a hyper badass.

Naruto and Sasuke should be pretty much even. With slight advantages for each.

Everyone else should be RIGHT at their level. Kishi is a shitty writer.

Poor Manga, it's so poopy now. *remembers the Rock/Gaara fight* sigh, those were the days.

[Niksurugi]

Naruto's encounters since the timeskip--

Itachi bushin - Peaced out INSTANTLY by a finger. Couldn't even break the genjutsu.

Deidara - Didn't do shit except smash into walls.

Insert random being-made-a-fool by Sai

Orochimaru - Jumped to Kyuubi lvl 4 and would have gotten his ass kicked if Kyuubi wasn't invincible.

Sasuke - Had to be saved by the rest of the team, gets blasted by a lame chidori, then gets his Kyuubi shut down. And Sasuke just walks away.

He's had 60 chapters to prove his worth. He hasn't done anything noteworthy or impressive in the last 1/5th of the fucking manga.

I just want to add that Deidara would have hit him with a bomb if Kakashi hadn't intervened. OH and Yamato humiliated him as well. (in the training exercise)

[Starhammer]

:rofl: poor Naruto. is there anything worse than being the main character of the book and getting hated on? If kishimoto cares at all for him, he'd better step Naruto's development up ASAP.

-Starhammer-

[Hunter D]

I wonder how powerful Itachi is? Orochi is an arogant guy, but even he doesn't feel confident about going up aganist Itachi. He could just be fooling Sasuke so that he can take is body, but I just don't see him conceding that he can't beat someone.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Why should Naruto be a beast? Just because he trained with a beast doesn't mean he should be one hisself. He should be considerable better but look who he's had to fight so far. Itachi, Dedria, Sauske, Sai, and Oro...Come on. Could his luck be any worst?

Naurto has yet to really even fight yet. Even if he did and got beasted why would everyone be shocked about it?!? I say again just because you train with a beast doesn't mean you'll become good....

Yea he learned Rasengan in a short about of time, that doesn't mean if he trained with him for extended periods of time he'd be a beast tho.


As far as Sasuke being a SUPER beast wth do people expect? He see's a jitus and copies it...gg He should be able to progress 100x faster than Naurto just based on that alone.


Naruto was weak b4 the time skip and now he seems to be better but not a beast like people were expecting and everyone is like why does he sucked he trained with Jayria!!!1!


Well it wasn't enough....

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Why should Naruto be a beast? Just because he trained with a beast doesn't mean he should be one hisself. He should be considerable better but look who he's had to fight so far. Itachi, Dedria, Sauske, Sai, and Oro...Come on. Could his luck be any worst?

Naurto has yet to really even fight yet. Even if he did and got beasted why would everyone be shocked about it?!? I say again just because you train with a beast doesn't mean you'll become good....

Yea he learned Rasengan in a short about of time, that doesn't mean if he trained with him for extended periods of time he'd be a beast tho.


As far as Sasuke being a SUPER beast wth do people expect? He see's a jitus and copies it...gg He should be able to progress 100x faster than Naurto just based on that alone.


Naruto was weak b4 the time skip and now he seems to be better but not a beast like people were expecting and everyone is like why does he sucked he trained with Jayria!!!1!


Well it wasn't enough....

[TheRock]

Why should Naruto be a beast? Just because he trained with a beast doesn't mean he should be one hisself. He should be considerable better but look who he's had to fight so far. Itachi, Dedria, Sauske, Sai, and Oro...Come on. Could his luck be any worst?

Naurto has yet to really even fight yet. Even if he did and got beasted why would everyone be shocked about it?!? I say again just because you train with a beast doesn't mean you'll become good....

Yea he learned Rasengan in a short about of time, that doesn't mean if he trained with him for extended periods of time he'd be a beast tho.


As far as Sasuke being a SUPER beast wth do people expect? He see's a jitus and copies it...gg He should be able to progress 100x faster than Naurto just based on that alone.


Naruto was weak b4 the time skip and now he seems to be better but not a beast like people were expecting and everyone is like why does he sucked he trained with Jayria!!!1!


Well it wasn't enough....


Quoted for emphasis

Totally agreed. This opinion is like a breathe of fresh air in a thread filled with so much blind hate.

[Hunter D]

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Did you not read the manga before the timeskip? Well news flash for you buddy Naruto was beasting cats hard before timeskip! Dude raped gara and neji. He also went toe to toe with curse seal sasuke and gave him fits. Hell yeah I think Naruto should be beasting cats.

I know that Naruto played the fool pretimeskip, but during fights he showed exceptional strategic ability. The guy mopped the floor with Neji for christs sakes. I fail to see how Naruto could regress post timeskip, but he has. I know I wasn't the only person expecting more from Naruto than this level up shit he is doing now.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Did you not read the manga before the timeskip? Well news flash for you buddy Naruto was beasting cats hard before timeskip! Dude raped gara and neji. He also went toe to toe with curse seal sasuke and gave him fits. Hell yeah I think Naruto should be beasting cats.

I know that Naruto played the fool pretimeskip, but during fights he showed exceptional strategic ability. The guy mopped the floor with Neji for christs sakes. I fail to see how Naruto could regress post timeskip, but he has. I know I wasn't the only person expecting more from Naruto than this level up shit he is doing now.


Mop the floor with neji? You mean the under ground uppercut?!? How much more random and lame can you get than that.. I actually frowned up when i saw that. (And i hated neji and really favored Naurto at that time) But a win is a win...... Naruto never beasted anyone he Beat people, but has never ever just punished someone, or even proved or pretended like he could.....

The garaa Fight was another fight to the stand still that could have gone any which way...But again a win is a win....

The Naurto fight vs Curse seal Sasuke was yet another fight that was close even tho out of all the fights i've seen him in that was the one he dominated the most... And he sill lost..... He comes up with random sneaky move but "exceptional strategic ability?" come on man...lets leave that up to shikamaro and shino and friends.

And even IF he had Destoyed all those people mention earlier how does him not being able to stand up to all these elite people a regress? If anything its him staying about the same level. But then again we don't even know tha because Naurto hasn't really gotten a chance to actually fight yet.


Ninja edit: I expect naurto is more powerful than he's gotten to show sofar, and will continue to become even more powerful. Heck he hasn't even used "that jitsu" yet.

[Hunter D]

In the last couple of volumes he has had two chances to show us something. What did he do? He went 4 tails on orochi *yawn* and got punked by sasuke.

How can you say he didn't beast neji? Gara I can see, but Neji? Dude got baited hard. Underground uppercut was not random, he planned the whole thing.

[catchafire]

Dark Pheonix, why are you so anti-Naruto? I mean, your last 10 posts have been nothing but Naruto bashing...

[Havoc]

Naruto is lame. Always has been.

Let's get back to Konoha. I wanna see Shika bag some hos. I wanna see Hanabi fight. I wanna fucking see other characters! Fuck Naruto's lame do-good bullshit.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Dark Pheonix, why are you so anti-Naruto? I mean, your last 10 posts have been nothing but Naruto bashing...

lol nah man, I like Naurto' character I like that don't give up mental....Infact he reminds me much of myself in alot of ways. Maybe thats why im so hard em, but Its just, he's average....And everybody act's like he's such a bad @44 ninja or has shown alll kinda leet skill. When infact he has done impressive things threw out the show but nothing that warrents the crediablity or the expectaions of everyone today.


I also don't like Sasuke mental, but i like the fact that he's determine as well as focus on a goal.... I actually like them both, Whenever naruto can use his clones like itachi. He'll be astep up in skill. But as long as i see naruto stll running head 1st into battle be told to clam down and going on a rampage and being hot headed. Then I will recongize that as him not growing as a ninja. Atleast not like he should.


And I think its gonna be a long while to come b4 that happens if ever....Naurto is really ment to be the underdog of the show.

[Pimp Willy]

Isn't that the whole overlying theme of the manga? Average people with dreams can make them come true with hard work?

[SirSmooth]

The fact that Naruto doesn't give up makes him even more of an annoying and shitty character in my opinion....to me that just means i have to watch the worst ninja on the show try over and over again with the same lame ass "I'll never give up" lines and weak ass jutsus....Naruto just can't leave sasuke alone can he...theres being persistant, then theres being stubborn, and then theres just being gay....Naruto needs a girlfriend...

[Hunter D]

The fact that Naruto doesn't give up makes him even more of an annoying and shitty character in my opinion....to me that just means i have to watch the worst ninja on the show try over and over again with the same lame ass "I'll never give up" lines and weak ass jutsus....Naruto just can't leave sasuke alone can he...theres being persistant, then theres being stubborn, and then theres just being gay....Naruto needs a girlfriend...
So you hate a person that has a strong will and perseveres? I always thought that those were desirable traits to have.

[Akutabi Gamma]

Remember when Naruto learned the Rasengan ( an S level move that only 3 people, one of them dead, know ) in less then a week?

2.5 years and Naruto has learned nothing. Everyone should be a hyper badass.

Naruto and Sasuke should be pretty much even. With slight advantages for each.

Everyone else should be RIGHT at their level. Kishi is a shitty writer.

Poor Manga, it's so poopy now. *remembers the Rock/Gaara fight* sigh, those were the days.
Heh I know what u mean, but I'm sure we'll see all that when the time comes, but until then, Sassgay reamsin a dumber fuck, that & can someone upload the Rock vs. Gaara clip from when Gai does his Thumb up to when the music ends?

[AlphaDragoon02]

I happened to catch one of the old episodes of Naruto on Toonami last night...it seriously looks like OG 12-yr old Naruto is BETTER than post time-skip Naruto. What the hell. :wtf:

[PsychoSquall]

Everyone complaining about Naruto not being able to hang with everyone else makes me see this as like the opposite of DBZ, where Goku was rediculously overpowered, and everyone else had to rely on him.

[DropOff]

Everyone complaining about Naruto not being able to hang with everyone else makes me see this as like the opposite of DBZ, where Goku was rediculously overpowered, and everyone else had to rely on him.
Naruto is almost becoming Vegeta. He was the strongest character at the very beggining, but when he left after the first battle Goku got fuck-strong. Fast foward to Frieza saga, Vegeta still thinks he's pimp, gets beasted. Goku proves stronger than ever. Skip ahead to Cell games, now Gohan is stronger.

Vegeta is now shit tier so he get's an evil upgrade and becomes stronger than Goku.

...Wait a minute. After writing that I realise how much a rip-off naruto 1 is of dragon ball z.

[Kusanagi02]

Naruto is almost becoming Vegeta. He was the strongest character at the very beggining, but when he left after the first battle Goku got fuck-strong. Fast foward to Frieza saga, Vegeta still thinks he's pimp, gets beasted. Goku proves stronger than ever. Skip ahead to Cell games, now Gohan is stronger.

Vegeta is now shit tier so he get's an evil upgrade and becomes stronger than Goku.

...Wait a minute. After writing that I realise how much a rip-off naruto 1 is of dragon ball z.

You forgot the dreaded plot device of Goku holding back against Vegeta since Goku could've went Super Saiyan 3 anytime he wanted.
Man i was so pissed when i heard that shit.:annoy:

[ShinAkumax]

You forgot the dreaded plot device of Goku holding back against Vegeta since Goku could've went Super Saiyan 3 anytime he wanted.
Man i was so pissed when i heard that shit.:annoy:

Hmmm what ? When could had Goku gone super saiyan 3 anytime he wanted?


PS: 3 cents - Naruto has to kinda suck, he is not the only one that's been training. Naruto lacks the killing instinct when fighting Sasuke. He can't win unless he commits to the win.

Also, the pins have to be set up so the main character can knock them down. I see the timeskip as a reboot to the series. Naruto has to be bottom tier for a while so when he finnaly beats someone we can co " OOOHHH! "

[ResolutePower]

Hmmm what ? When could had Goku gone super saiyan 3 anytime he wanted?
when he came back to earth for a day to compete in the tournament at the beginning of the buu saga....


Also, the pins have to be set up so the main character can knock them down. I see the timeskip as a reboot to the series. Naruto has to be bottom tier for a while so when he finnaly beats someone we can co " OOOHHH! "
agreed, but waiting for shit to happen sure is annoying.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Naruto lacks the killing instinct when fighting Sasuke. He can't win unless he commits to the win.


This is pretty much my whole point on why naurto(the character) sucks.... Its like joining the army, or wanting to be on the frontlines but totally against kill anyone for any reason in any fashion. Yea you might be nice with the hand to hand and you might only use tranquil guns and what not. But eventually if you want to stay alive you gonna have to take someone's life.


Naurto wants to be a ninja, but doesn't have any type of ninja instinct. Doesn't want to "kill" other ninja's but show them the error of there way's (or so it seems) and if he does feel like he has to kill someone he goe's into a blind kyubi rage.....Nothing ninja like at all about this Ninja, he woulda made a much better police officer or security guard.

[JustBeenIced]

Naruto is lame. Always has been.

Let's get back to Konoha. I wanna see Shika bag some hos. I wanna see Hanabi fight. I wanna fucking see other characters! Fuck Naruto's lame do-good bullshit.


Just a question here, because hanabi was the second child, shouldn't she be put in the branch family like neji's father(who was a twin of hinata's father only 2 secs apart) so shouldn't neji or someone else be training her instead of having her stay in the main family branch. I always thought this shit was fucked up.

[DragonSama]

Just a question here, because hanabi was the second child, shouldn't she be put in the branch family like neji's father(who was a twin of hinata's father only 2 secs apart) so shouldn't neji or someone else be training her instead of having her stay in the main family branch. I always thought this shit was fucked up.


I think she is staying in the main family because they see Hinata as a failure. I'm not sure if this is even canon or not but I seam to recall Hinata runs around serving tea while her Dad was training Neji?

[Bowza]

Naurto wants to be a ninja, but doesn't have any type of ninja instinct. Doesn't want to "kill" other ninja's but show them the error of there way's (or so it seems) and if he does feel like he has to kill someone he goe's into a blind kyubi rage.....Nothing ninja like at all about this Ninja, he woulda made a much better police officer or security guard.

I'm pretty sure he was ready as hell to kill Gaara, he said so himself. But then sasuke was all on some "relax nigga", so he fainted instead.

[ViciousSLASH]

Yea he learned Rasengan in a short about of time, that doesn't mean if he trained with him for extended periods of time he'd be a beast tho.

As far as Sasuke being a SUPER beast wth do people expect? He see's a jitus and copies it...gg He should be able to progress 100x faster than Naurto just based on that alone.

Naruto was weak b4 the time skip and now he seems to be better but not a beast like people were expecting and everyone is like why does he sucked he trained with Jayria!!!1!



Him learning the Rasengan in a week with Jiraya barely teaching him DOES mean he should've came back a beast.

Naruto should've learned TONS of stuff.

1. Remember when they left ? Naruto was like C'MON C'MON C'MON lets learn learn learn !!!! Naruto was uber eager to learn tons of new stuff.

2. Jiraya was personally taking Naruto into his custody to teach him as much as possible in 2.5 years so he could defend himself well enough against akatsuki level opponents so Jiraya wouldn't always have to be around to protect him.

3. Jiraya knows TONS of shit. He's on Oro's level, a Sannin.

4. Naruto has SO much stamina that he can try an Jutsu over and over and over and over without getting tired until he learned it in a short time through simple persistence.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = Naruto should've come back a lot stronger then he has been portrayed.

Like I was expecting at least Kage Bushin xx multiple rasengan attacks.

Naruto and Sasuke should be equal in strength, but the way they acquire that strength is completely different. That's what made the story so interesting.

Naruto suddenly becoming retarded and everyone but Sasuke forgetting how to fight intelligently has made the story terrible.

[Niksurugi]

Him learning the Rasengan in a week with Jiraya barely teaching him DOES mean he should've came back a beast.

Naruto should've learned TONS of stuff.

1. Remember when they left ? Naruto was like C'MON C'MON C'MON lets learn learn learn !!!! Naruto was uber eager to learn tons of new stuff.

2. Jiraya was personally taking Naruto into his custody to teach him as much as possible in 2.5 years so he could defend himself well enough against akatsuki level opponents so Jiraya wouldn't always have to be around to protect him.

3. Jiraya knows TONS of shit. He's on Oro's level, a Sannin.

4. Naruto has SO much stamina that he can try an Jutsu over and over and over and over without getting tired until he learned it in a short time through simple persistence.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = Naruto should've come back a lot stronger then he has been portrayed.

Like I was expecting at least Kage Bushin xx multiple rasengan attacks.

Naruto and Sasuke should be equal in strength, but the way they acquire that strength is completely different. That's what made the story so interesting.

Naruto suddenly becoming retarded and everyone but Sasuke forgetting how to fight intelligently has made the story terrible.

Couldn't of said it any better myself.

[Tekno Virus]

Maybe Naruto is hiding his techniques so they will be more effective in time of need?

[Wil]

Naruto be sandbagging his techniques like Justin Wong.

He's just waiting for his Limit Break meter to build up to max - sadly the meter is one hell of a long one. :sweat:

[Rodimus]

anybody know where i can get earlier episodes of naruto in raw. i was looking for a raw episode of 83.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Him learning the Rasengan in a week with Jiraya barely teaching him DOES mean he should've came back a beast.

Naruto should've learned TONS of stuff.

Thats a double edge sword, when someone barely teaches you something and you learn it off the basic's that can be either really good or really bad.. If your teachers plans on teaching you like this all the time it's prob not a good thing. When you really trying to learn something you have to really have a good teacher and or really have someone there to help you in some form along with the drive to want to learn. Naurto had the drive, but was jayaria a good teacher? Sure he trained the fourth, but the fourth was already a beast. Not hard to train super thug in the art's to learn more techniques. And the fourth must of had skill to back up the techniques he was learning...

Also naurto has the potenial to use and learn all typa jitsu's....but what good is knowing a bunch of jitsu if you suck on the battle field...which naurto does. He's just a good tank.


1. Remember when they left ? Naruto was like C'MON C'MON C'MON lets learn learn learn !!!! Naruto was uber eager to learn tons of new stuff.

See above comment for the most part...



2. Jiraya was personally taking Naruto into his custody to teach him as much as possible in 2.5 years so he could defend himself well enough against akatsuki level opponents so Jiraya wouldn't always have to be around to protect him.


So maybe thats what he learned? Defence tatics instead of offence...it would make a whole lot of sense. Infact he only showed 2 "new" moves and one was that jitsu that dispelled itachi's jitsu. Which is a major defence tatic. So maybe naruto has hecka defence jitsu's right now. So why didn't he get Sasuke out his head? He wants to talk to Sasuke, why would he try and kick him out?


3. Jiraya knows TONS of shit. He's on Oro's level, a Sannin.

i'm sure he has his own field of combat speciality, I'm just not sure what that is yet, I think he's over all average in everything. Tsunade is great in power and medical jitsu's and weak in random jitsu knowledge it seems. Orochi is very strong in all kinds of jitsu, mostly forbidden ones and weak in stamnia, but has crazy regen tech's. And thats why i said Sasuke joining with Orochi is ultra broken. Sasuke is a talented fighter that can now learn random jitsu's in a blink of a eye. So he basically can train twice in time nauro can because of the "instant learn any move eye's"


4. Naruto has SO much stamina that he can try an Jutsu over and over and over and over without getting tired until he learned it in a short time through simple persistence.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = Naruto should've come back a lot stronger then he has been portrayed.

Like I was expecting at least Kage Bushin xx multiple rasengan attacks.

Naruto and Sasuke should be equal in strength, but the way they acquire that strength is completely different. That's what made the story so interesting.

Naruto suddenly becoming retarded and everyone but Sasuke forgetting how to fight intelligently has made the story terrible.

Like you said naurto can try any jitsu over and over, Sasuke can just lean on a tree a watch it preformed and know it.... now in one day Sasuke has learned every jitsu Orochi is willing to show him, plus those from kabuto and those from random ninja's passing threw in the woods. And he still 729 day's to just train his mind and body..... how can naurto compete with that?!?!?...he can't not in a race, if he didn't have a 2 year time frame over his head the who know's. But the fact that he has to be rush = a bad thing for naruto in this situation.

So No naruto and Sasuke should Not be equal, Sasuke should be leaps and bounds over naruto. Making him look like a scrub, just like he is now.... Whatever naruto has learned prob won't compare to what sasuke has showed off so far...butthen again who know. Also like i said maybe naurto has been trained to be defensive.


Naruto suddenly becoming retarded and everyone but Sasuke forgetting how to fight intelligently has made the story terrible.

Everyone held there own that fought from garaa too Team guy. Sadly every single good guy got beat down. Not only naurto but every good guy that has been show so far, Gai won his fight but had to go to the extreme from the start...

Plus naruto never was the smartest fighter, clever maybe, sneaky here and there. But a good fighter Naurto is not. he's average, with a butt load of stamina.

[T-Kimura]

Naruto be sandbagging his techniques like Justin Wong.

He's just waiting for his Limit Break meter to build up to max - sadly the meter is one hell of a long one. :sweat:

i feel this is true.


if it's not, what the hell was naruto doing with jiraiya for 3 years? -_-

[Bowza]

[QUOTE=TheDarkPhoenix] Naurto had the drive, but was jayaria a good teacher? Sure he trained the fourth, but the fourth was already a beast. Not hard to train super thug in the art's to learn more techniques. And the fourth must of had skill to back up the techniques he was learning...
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Actually I think in one part it was told that the 4th wasn't a genius or anything like that when he started off.

[ViciousSLASH]

The anime isn't called Jutsu. Because with all the ninja techniques in the world of Naruto, the ninjas sure love to use the same things over and over.

If knowing lots of Jutsu's was important Kakashi would be uber top tier because he knows over 1000. Yet he's used only like 5, same with Oro. Oro suppositely knows shitload of jutsu's yet all he does is Snake hands XX snake sword all day with an occational forbidden super.

Also naurto has the potenial to use and learn all typa jitsu's....but what good is knowing a bunch of jitsu if you suck on the battle field...which naurto does. He's just a good tank.

You basically countered your arguement with this line. Naruto doesn't suck on the battlefield. Him and Sasuke were basically equal in that fight before Kishi decided to make it dragonball z.

And it seems like you didn't understand me saying that Naruto learned the Rasengan with Jiraya barely teaching him. That's not something negative about Jiraya's teaching style, that's a reason why Naruto should have learned TONS of stuff with Jiraya actually trying hard to teach him.

Naruto also learned how to summon frogs as a gennin. That's two top tier techniques learned by a "goof off".

Plus his first summoned frog was the toppest of tier frogs.

You just gotta admit Kishimoto is doing a shitty job right now.

The story should be a lot better then it is.

Sasuke being strong isn't a problem, we all knew he'd be strong.

But Sasuke being strong and everyone else basically staying the same with new clothes is dumb as hell. Everyone has become so one dimentional.

[noodleman]

well, naruto was injured at that point, and i think yamato got careless vs sasuke. So we'll just have to wait a couple of days to see what happens.

[catchafire]

They should change the series to, "Chasing Sasuke." Has a ring to it...

[Pimp Willy]

So maybe thats what he learned? Defence tatics instead of offence...it would make a whole lot of sense. Infact he only showed 2 "new" moves and one was that jitsu that dispelled itachi's jitsu. Which is a major defence tatic. So maybe naruto has hecka defence jitsu's right now. So why didn't he get Sasuke out his head? He wants to talk to Sasuke, why would he try and kick him out?


Why would he want Sasuke out of his head? He was trying to supress the fox, Sasuke did it for him, he shoulda thanked him.

[ReggieHadoken]

Now that I've found a place to read some of the recent Naruto chapters, I'm up to speed on what's going on.

I've seen the new look of the characters after 2.5 years:

Naruto: Not much change but I like his look.
Sakura: DANG!! When did she become a piece?! Even I had to admit she was hot. Seems like she doesn't have feelings for Saskue anymore, which is good, IMO, because he didn't give a rat's about her anyways. However, I finally see what readers have been saying about her leaning more towards Naruto. Heck, she even broke out in tears a few times over Naruto, something I've never seen 12 y/o sakura do.

Hinata: Nice. Long hair and Kishi decided to give her boobs. Still has a major crush on Naruto. Although it seems like Sakura is going to be the one to be Naruto's love, I'm still hoping for Hinata.

As for the story, now that they've finally seen Saskue and seen how far gone he is, I think Naruto and Sakura should just give up on him. He tried to kill both of them!! Not exactly someone you'd call a friend.

I know the current story is getting a lot of hate but I thought 4 Tail Kyuubi Naruto was tight. Still, I'd like to see Naruto using his own chakara to own fools like he did when he fought Gaara. Man, that fight was dope.

[catchafire]

I seriously think the series is getting a little drawn out (no pun intended). Maybe I should wait a year or so before coming to conclusions... oh, wait... I JUST DID THAT!!!

[AlphaDragoon02]

However, I finally see what readers have been saying about her leaning more towards Naruto. Heck, she even broke out in tears a few times over Naruto, something I've never seen 12 y/o sakura do.

Although it seems like Sakura is going to be the one to be Naruto's love, I'm still hoping for Hinata.

See folks, Reggie has his copy of "The Laws of Shounen Manga". Pick up a copy for yourself or someone you love at major retailers everywhere. :rofl:

Anyway, first supposed spoilers have popped up. There's a slight chance of them being true though since the OP spoilers pics have come out already.




POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR 310:

Sai bites it to some form of "disease" because he failed his mission. If this is true, I smell a Danzou arc on the way.

END SPOILERS

[SirSmooth]

some stuff my cousin was thinkin about concerning the "cursed uchiha blood" that he posted in another forum...

http://www.narutomania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43545

if anything check it out just to see his pimp sig...

[Gasaraki]

Heh, if anything it could be a little reference to his brother's manga, Kishimoto Seishi's "666 Satan" but somehow I doubt it :rofl:

[Pimp Willy]

No 310 today? : (

Wow, to think I was actually looking forward to a new issue too.

[$hogun A$$a$$in]

http://home.exetel.com.au/battle_franky/index.html/Franky%20House/NARUTO%20-%20310.zip

310
Half a chapter spent crying.....

[Holy Knight]

Sounds typical. :razzy:

[catchafire]

Such... a gay chapter...!!! What a let down. Sai's whole character is simply rushed... Weak sauce.

[TheRock-BoS]

Are the filler arcs for the anime over yet? :arazz:

[Gasaraki]

Sounds typical. :razzy:
Sweet avatar, man

[Pimp Willy]

Well, looks like we have a new team in town, though sai still has a slightly mysterious past. We don't even know his real name at this point.

Edit: Translated version up on Narutofan as well

[SaiST]

Chapter was full of fluff.

[Starhammer]

Him learning the Rasengan in a week with Jiraya barely teaching him DOES mean he should've came back a beast.

Naruto should've learned TONS of stuff.

1. Remember when they left ? Naruto was like C'MON C'MON C'MON lets learn learn learn !!!! Naruto was uber eager to learn tons of new stuff.

2. Jiraya was personally taking Naruto into his custody to teach him as much as possible in 2.5 years so he could defend himself well enough against akatsuki level opponents so Jiraya wouldn't always have to be around to protect him.

3. Jiraya knows TONS of shit. He's on Oro's level, a Sannin.

4. Naruto has SO much stamina that he can try an Jutsu over and over and over and over without getting tired until he learned it in a short time through simple persistence.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = Naruto should've come back a lot stronger then he has been portrayed.

Like I was expecting at least Kage Bushin xx multiple rasengan attacks.

Naruto and Sasuke should be equal in strength, but the way they acquire that strength is completely different. That's what made the story so interesting.

Naruto suddenly becoming retarded and everyone but Sasuke forgetting how to fight intelligently has made the story terrible.


truth. all day long. thanks VS, you said everything I wanted to.

-Starhammer-

[ShinjiGohan]

Thats a double edge sword, when someone barely teaches you something and you learn it off the basic's that can be either really good or really bad.. If your teachers plans on teaching you like this all the time it's prob not a good thing. When you really trying to learn something you have to really have a good teacher and or really have someone there to help you in some form along with the drive to want to learn. Naurto had the drive, but was jayaria a good teacher? Sure he trained the fourth, but the fourth was already a beast. Not hard to train super thug in the art's to learn more techniques. And the fourth must of had skill to back up the techniques he was learning...


Its the difference of knowing a technique and knowing why it works. Any moron can throw a punch, but it you don't understand the mechanics of throwing a punch then its effectiveness is dramaticly less.

Which is what naruto and Sasuke are. Sasuke knows a bunch of techniques. Naruto knows the why the techniques work which should make them more effective. Though Sasuke its supposively a genius so he can probably figure it out. But with all of the techniques he's supposively learned its not likely he's figured out the best way to use them.

[catchafire]

"Chasing Sasuke" is getting really really really really really boring. It's just a HUGE let down. What's going to happen next? Naruto trains, runs into Sasuke, Sasuke leaves, repeat?

I'm suprised Kishimoto didn't go on another 6 month break.

[Adam Warlock]

Chapter 310 translation is out
Translation by RandomNigga:


Naruto: How could this happen to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee????

[TheDarkPhoenix]

GTF out of here with this naruto knows why a techniques works. Naruto is not a genius, repeat, NARUTO IS NOT A GENIUS !!.... he's working off detremanation and will power, luck and this "speical charm" that turns killers into peace loving good guys.

If anyone figues out how to use a tech 1st it'll would be sasuke, or any other genius, for that matter. Infact, Kakashi or is it the Uchia in genaral copy moves and use them BETTER than the people they took it from?

He trained with jay so what! So freakin what! Nartuo is not, not at all, never has he been, a never will be a genius (well maybe im going to far there, but as of now) and therefore you shouldn't expect Genius preformace from him...You should expect randomness out of him complete randomness, i don't care if he trained with kyubi reincarnated for 5 years in the forest, Based on his character development he's random and spotty. He wins because he's suppose not because of ninja talent. He's a so-so ninja that detremine to be the at the top oneday....


This love for naurto is complete bais, naruto and rock lee are one in the same and only defference is that rock actually puts in blood sweat and tears. 24/7.....Thats his mental, one naurto hasn't displayed yet. AND I sure for one