Combos

[andr3w]

I've been watching quite a few japanese Akuma videos lately, and one thing I've noticed is that elaborate combos/strings are hard to come by. I'm not sure whether this is because the players in these videos are inexperienced or because long demon strings are too risky in tournament play, but I was wondering whether anyone can enlighten me as to the various combinations Akuma has at his disposal after an opening is created. So far I've only come across/attempted the following:

dive kick, s.lp, lk shoryuken + throw (usually throws the opponent off)
hp, lk hurricaine, hp, mk hurricaine
hk hurricaine, hp shoryuken (when hurricaine connects with the opponent in air)
cr.lk, lk hurricaine, hp shoryuken
lk hurricaine, s.lp, dash, s.lp (juggling opponent into corner)
s.hp, lk hurricaine shoryuken

I realized there are an infinite amount of variations on these little combinations, but I guess what I'm really after are the elaborate demon strings. I've seen them at work often at my local arcade, but I'm usually unable to follow every step. Also I noticed HermoNaz mentioned something about a 16-hit combo in the other thread and was curious as to how said combo is executed.

Thanks

[ramza]

lol I'm just gonna guess he's talking about the corner double super:

c.mk>lk hurricane>lp shoryuXXsa1>lp shoryuXXsa1>mp shoryu

[LiSyaoran]

Greatest combo ever: Rdh.Tatsumaki (in air), Rdh.Tatsumaki (In air), Rdh.Tatsumaki (In air) xx SA3

lol

[Akzidenz]

One of the better ones I ever saw was:

jump-in Fierce > close Fierce > Short Tatsu > Fierce Srk xx SA > juggle with Strong Srk

And if memory serves, you can throw a standing Jab following the Short Tatsu.

[HarmoNaz]

jumping fierce, standing roundhouse (far version) cancelled into Raging Demon. 17 hits, CRAZY damage.
Useful and stylish: Bread and butter in corner cancelled into super, juggle with roundhouse hurricane for two hits, then TAUNT and you'll still be safe with a big power up ready for your next hit :tup: A very Daigo -esq thing to do after a taunt is walk back and tap down. Most times you'll get a parry. If not, you still have your taunt bonus waiting to be used.

[Dark Shinryuken]

Oi, how does Raging Demon combo into far roundhouse? Im no Akuma player, but I have tried the guy out before, in every game i've played him in its never been possible to combo in Raging Demon.

All I really know about this guy in 3s is his rushdown, basic combos and mixups (and the part where he can kill my Yang's Seiei-Enbu).

Anyway, I only ask because recently i've started to somewhat use him (though he aint goinna replace my Yang/Ken/Ryu/Urien).

[bathax]

its not so much a combo as a link. The raging demon hits them while they are stilll in hit-stun. Its the ONLY way to combo into raging demon.

[LakeEarth]

The roundhouse puts them into that "turned around" hitstun position that allows for a grab to hit, ie Alex's German Suplex.

[andr3w]

Question: In videos I've seen sa1 executed while a red fireball is still moving across the screen. Any idea how this is done?

[bathax]

you can cancel sa1 from a red fireball. I'm not sure if this is what you mean though.

[Donkus]

its not so much a combo as a link.

That's impossible. All links are combos. Not all combos are links.


HK-> Demon is not a link. It is a cancel. That's why you cancel the HK animation into the demon. It would be a link only if it comboed but could not be cancelled, like Gouki's UOH, SAI.

[HarmoNaz]

Whatever guys - far version of roundhouse turns a lot of players around, and if the demon approaches them in this position it grabs. I dont think this works on everyone. Definitely not on Urien.

And you can cancel sa1 from a red fireball fairly late, thats all it is. Cancel the red fireball into a demon at the same moment that you expect them to parry the first hit of the fireball. Has to be done fairly close - around sweep range. Very tricky but very cool.

[Donkus]

The unofficial name for that state is backturn. That combo won't work on Urien or Elena because they don't get backturned by far HK.

[Demon Dash]

Can this set-up be countered? dive kick, s.mk/c.mk, lk tats, lp(reset), raging demon? It doesn't look as though it can, but you never know, there's sometimes a sneaky way out. I find it a lot more reliable than the KKZ set-up.

I'll post up a list in a minute.

[Demon Dash]

s.mk, qcb+lk
s.mp, qcb+lk
c.mk, qcb+lk
s.mk, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
s.mp, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
c.mk, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
s.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
s.mp, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
c.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
s.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
s.mp, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
c.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, qcb+mk/hk?
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, dp+lp/mp/hp xx SAI
s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon
s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon
c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), SAI
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), KKZ
dive kick, s.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon
dive kick, s.mp, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon
dive kick, c.mk, qcb+lk, lp(reset), Raging Demon

I know there is a LOT missing as a full list, but those are probably the most common. Excluding heavy or weak attacks, where it can obviously be done differently.

[Just_D_it]

One can just up or do some EX move(i.e. SRK) and U'll never catch him with SGS. This set-up is a waste of super-meter.

[LiSyaoran]

That combo won't work on Urien or Elena because they don't get backturned by far HK.
Shit, I didn't even know that.

This I did in Training mode. Its fucken hard though.

J.HK, C.HP, LK.Tatsumaki, Sc.LPxxHP.SRKxxSAI, Sc.LPHP.SRKxxSAI, Sc.LPxxHP.SRK

This is a stupid combo though....

Heres some nice links

Meaty Sc.MK (On crouching character), C.MKxxSAI
Meaty S.MP (On crouching character), C.MKxxSAI
Meaty C.MP (On crouching character), C.MKxxSAI
Meaty T.MP, SAII

[Demon Dash]

Shit, I didn't even know that.

This I did in Training mode. Its fucken hard though.

J.HK, C.HP, LK.Tatsumaki, Sc.LPxxHP.SRKxxSAI, Sc.LPHP.SRKxxSAI
I don't know how that works. Last I remember you can't connect a special after a reset.

[HarmoNaz]

You can't connect specials after a reset, but that combo he describes is an exception if you combo the jab into shoryuken VERY quckly - it does combo.

Someone posted about a jab reset then Demon??? That doesn't work I'm afraid!

On a practical level i.e. high level play - you wont use 90% of those combos. Just know the usual bread and butter, anti air demons, and hit confirms like standing mk into super or cr.short jab short. Learn to hit confirm off a normal divekick i.e. what to do if it whiffs (kara throw, low parry, even Demon), what to do if it is blocked (carry on pressure, tick throws, kara demon) and what to do if it hits (50% stun combo or just normal bread and butter, or try your luck with another divekick).

By the way, that 50% stun combo is quite nice. I actually dont know how much stun it does - just enough that my rush game changes once I land it so that I can stun the guy within the next few seconds with command overheads and/or backthrows.
Divekick, HP, mk tatsu, mp shoryuken.
The last shoryuken is hard to link depending on character. If you get very good at it, cancel the last srk into super for style points.

[Sdouble]

but guys remember don't just do dive kicks randomly, esp agaisnt someone with a good antiair.
you guys should go get some vids of naz he has a cool style of play, he almost never builds bar he just makes reads and rushes lol. he's so good at the situational stuff!

and obviously get the jap akuma vids, theyr'e retarted.

and like naz said learing anti-air demon will make people scared of you when you have 2 bars same thing if you can do dash/kara demon. but remember to play safe with akuma while being active getting hit with akuma sucks :)

[l337v1n337]

I don't know how that works. Last I remember you can't connect a special after a reset.

isnt that a corner combo? a ridiculous one that does hardly any damage and wastes your bars?

[HarmoNaz]

Hey thanks for the props Sdouble :blush:

Very true what he said about random divekicks - I'm more worried about it getting parried that anti-air'ed because you really see how much time Akuma takes to recover from that move when its parried.

Try to use it the same way the twins use the divekick, just do it off a forward jump - therefore more risky. Try and read when the opp will do a ground move or something or even when you find an instant where you're sure they aren't looking out for the divekick, just do it as fast as you can. Mess around with the move and see how early and how late in the jump you can pull it off. Normal jumps and super jumps.
And YOU HAVE TO WATCH CO-OP CUP 4 - the Akuma games in there are just sick. Even now I just finished watching it, though the main reason was to get some inspiration - I'm on way to the ranking battles now :scared: I just hope I qualify to the knockout stages...

[Just_D_it]

And YOU HAVE TO WATCH CO-OP CUP 4 - the Akuma games in there are just sick. Even now I just finished watching it, though the main reason was to get some inspiration - I'm on way to the ranking battles now :scared: I just hope I qualify to the knockout stages...
Where can one get this vid??? I've been searching for it for about 3 months! And all the links are expired:annoy: Can u send it to edited@mail.ru please? I would be just HAPPY!:rolleyes:

[LyGuy]

Where can I get vids of your matches Naz?

[HarmoNaz]

Hi guys. Just wanted to say that today was a good day for me :bgrin: I came 3rd in the ranking battles, won the team tournament for my team by taking out their top players (though one of them knocked me out of the RB later on), but best of all - you will see TONS of demons :devil:
The vids will be up soon, and I'll forward the link to you when I can. As for my previous matches, they arent being hosted anymore, and I'm not sure how I can send large files to you. I will find a way, using ysl or something, but in the meantime, I would suggest just watching the matches from today cos that was probably my best performance.
Co-op 4 - hmm, this is over a gig in size, so emailing would be out of the question. What I would recommend is that you start a thread in the Street Fighter Anniversary for XBL section asking if anyone has the torrent or link to it for the vids. If someone does, then they'll get back to you. If no one can help there, then I will have to think of something...
It may be awhile, but I'll try to get the co-op 4 vids to you somehow because I would very STRONLY recommend them to anyone who wants to learn some serious 3s.
Just remember guys, if you do watch my vids, use them for learning basics of Akuma playing - nothing advanced because at the end of the day - I'm still a scrub :bgrin:

[LyGuy]

Yaa I was just in the Event Results thread and saw ur name ... good stuff :)

Looking forward to your videos

[Just_D_it]

i see. But maybe there is a possibility of cuting tha sick-Akuma player matches out and making a clip? How many time does he have in that video? I know it's not that easy, but...:rolleyes:

[HarmoNaz]

Just_D_it - brilliant suggestion, and I can actually do it very easily :tup:

Let me know what you guys think. Should I just rip the matches into individual clips and find ways to post them, or get all of the akuma matches and string them together into one large file? I say all matches and not just the 'sick' ones because you should even see what Japanese players do to COUNTER akuma...

Damn, why didn't I think of that :bgrin:

[DH020]

HELL YA DO THAT!! :wgrin:

[LyGuy]

How about bittorrent

[HarmoNaz]

I'll produce the clips within the next few days, but I can't guarantee when I can post them, but rest assured - I WILL post them. I am unfortunately a working man with family commitments and all that balava... there are so many other games I wanted to get into :sad:

I'll probably need help from my 'even techier than myself' rival the Golden Gunman for help on ysi or torrents. But I'll get it done. In the meantime, I'll let you know when the ranking battle matches are up. Make sure you download ALL OF THEM and check out the level of play in UK.

[DH020]

ya hopefully i can make the next RB just been so busy with university work i ve had no time intill friday semester one is finished!! get week off for som 3S.

hey Naz u got blueyonder 10mb connection right!?...we need to have som match's i finally got upgraded to 10mb last week (been waiting before xmas) :tup:

[Golden_Gunman]

I'll probably need help from my 'even techier than myself' rival the Golden Gunman for help on ysi or torrents. But I'll get it done. In the meantime, I'll let you know when the ranking battle matches are up. Make sure you download ALL OF THEM and check out the level of play in UK.

"Even techier than myself??!?" WTF?! I'm the coolest mofo in the London 3S scene by far :rock:. I even lose in STYLE. Go back to your dry Java programming job Naz!

Anyway, by default on your PC you will have a program called Microsoft Movie Maker, you can use that to easily rip single matches from KSK ranbats / Co-Op Cups. When you have done that, upload the matches to Filefront:

http://hosted.filefront.com/Akuma3S

If anyone wants to log in to upload Akuma matches, here are the details:
username: Akuma3S
password: ragingdemon

I have done this for Dudley for quite a while and now there are over 50 matches up on the Dudley one. The good thing about FileFront is that anyone can upload to it and the files stay there forever.

NINJA EDIT: I put some of the matches from Co-Op 4 up for you already. Now I can see where Naz X-Copies his tactics from :tup:

[HarmoNaz]

Nice one Gunman - once again exceeding my expectations by far!!!

What I was planning to do is first find out who the actual Akuma players are, then post each of their matches individually with some personal comments from me about the match. I'll need to check which matches you've already uploaded so that I dont duplicate things.

Oh and I'm pretty competent with Movie Maker, so I'm not bothered about producing the clips.

Any idea when the RB vids are coming up Gunman?

[Golden_Gunman]

Yeah sorry, I don't know who the Akuma players actually are, I think the orange skinned Akuma (the one where you press three buttons) is Match, but I can't remember. But you can re-name and comment files on FF anytime.

Hatim is putting the vids up, so I have no idea about the RB vids, sorry Naz.

[Demon Dash]

Yeah sorry, I don't know who the Akuma players actually are, I think the orange skinned Akuma (the one where you press three buttons) is Match, but I can't remember. But you can re-name and comment files on FF anytime.

Hatim is putting the vids up, so I have no idea about the RB vids, sorry Naz.
You're tlking about the Co-op Cup 4 right? Some guy posted a list of all the players in the teams around the forums somewhere. It might still be around if you search for it. But a lot of Co-op Cup 4 threads got deleted for posting links to the dvd rip so it might have been in one of them.

[Firewaster]

The best two Goukis playing Coop 4 are Match and Jiro ...
They BEAST ...

[Golden_Gunman]

You're tlking about the Co-op Cup 4 right? Some guy posted a list of all the players in the teams around the forums somewhere. It might still be around if you search for it. But a lot of Co-op Cup 4 threads got deleted for posting links to the dvd rip so it might have been in one of them.

Yeah I know that thread, but I don't really know the Akuma players too well, e.g. I can't tell them apart from playstyle and the colours look too similar to me. As most people know, I am a Dudley guy, so I can tell you everything about him (eg dont play him like I do :rolleyes:). And can tell Dudley players apart based on their style if their names arent printed up on videos.

All I know about Akuma players is that Match and Dot are sick based on some old files I have. I hear Carmen is good by reputation, his sick Akuma busted many UK heads at Absoultion a while back. Anyway, here's a link to that thread with the names:
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103007

EDIT: Wow in Co-Op none of those Akuma players was Match OR Dot lol. Too many sick Akuma for Naz to study = bad news for Gunman and Bass Ventura.

[HarmoNaz]

Bit of good news guys...
I haven't done the co-op matches yet, and like I said, it might be awhile. But the ranking battle videos are up!
http://www.ezoneonline.co.uk/rbvids/3S/
The quality isn't top notch, but watchable. Sorry for that.
I would recommend you watch all of them to get a feel of what 3s is like in UK. Remember though, that the three (arguably) best players weren't there - Sean, Ryan Hart and Dukus, but Yusuke was there (who won the final), and he is in my opinion a treasure for the UK.
For the impatient, DIE HARD Akuma students, my vids are 6,7,10,11,18,19,22,23. I know you'll hate me for the game I lost against Raju, but please bear in mind - he is the best Urien player in UK, and when you play someone of that level, a single mistake (over enthusiastic, not to mention overly obvious Raging Demon) isn't the only thing that can cost you the match. But I'm learning from my mistakes so wish me luck.

The purple Akuma in co-op 4 had a very 'experienced and mature' style of play and that made me think veteran - therefore Match because I know he uses purple and that Dot uses black. But if its not Match, then I have another teacher :lol:

Based on what Firewaster said - ~I'm assuming the grey Akuma is Jiro? Well whoever it is, the grey Akuma is a rushdown beast and his were the matches that impressed me the most. I was trying to be like him in the ranking battle :rock:

[Deep]

I loved those videos, HarmoNaz. I sent the Akuma videos with Akuma to my friend who's been learning Akuma lately too.
Videos with Akuma: 6, 7, 10, 11, 18, 19, 22, and 23.
They were all entertaining to watch and the ending prizes were funny.

[HarmoNaz]

Guys - I spent some time last time (for my own personal satisfaction, as well as developing my own Akuma game) actually checking lots of other videos where the player names are mentioned in English at least once in addition to the Japanese. So I then just remembered the symbols in their names and compared to what I found in the co-op vids...
The beasting Akuma which I keep going about is called Uraka - he was in one of the January ranking battle videos from Gamers Vision, where he loses to KO in the first match. Now I don't understand Japanese, but from the overall 'loudness' level of the audience, I'm assuming that everyone there considered Uraka to be some sort of veteran player.
Another one that plays in co-op is Junin, and he's damn good. Yes, I saw him in one of the recent ranbats as well.
Dot isn't there. A bloody shame as well - cos after I watched some of his games again last night (all from a Kyushu Taikai tourney vid), I can see why he is considered as such a beast!! He makes Akuma look like top-tier!! BUT - he loses to another Akuma player in the same tourney who is also a bloody monster!! This 'other' Akuma made it to the kyushu taikai finals where he narrowly loses to Yoshikari (worlds best Yang in my opinion, if not Boss). Anyways, this other beast IS in co-op 4 :bgrin: Dunno what his name is, but judging from the symbols, I wouldn't be surprised if it sounds like Uss-something. Oh, and he plays and wins a damn good mirror match in co-op as well, so I doubt his win on Dot was a fluke.
The last one that I want to know about - his name has just one symbol in it and it looks a bit like a rook/castle piece from a game of chess. Hmm, might be worth learning Japanese one day...
I hope you guys enjoyed watching my Rb vids. I'm not quite sure how I played so well - I got very very lucky. But in spite of that, there is good stuff there that you Akuma players will definitely find useful, and enjoy watching.
Akuma is the most stylish Street Fighter there is - and thats what I set out to prove :cool:

[Just_D_it]

khm...i don't really care WHO played Akuma, but i'm really interested in HOW he is played. Bout that co-op 4 vids...Naz, don't U have smth to add to that vids at http://hosted.filefront.com/Akuma3S ?

[HarmoNaz]

How do I upload videos to that site or that page? I couldn't see any obvious options.

I do have some vids that I could upload.

[Just_D_it]

khm...just log in as Akuma3S and press MANAGE FILES button at the left upper corner, then UPLOAD FILES button. I've just uploaded two vids with Gouki fighting Q. It's worth seeing. We r counting on U, Naz;)

[HarmoNaz]

I'll download the files that you already have, and then upload any that aren't there. I'm assuming the logon doesn't require a password?

[Just_D_it]

It does...

username: Akuma3S
password: ragingdemon

[HarmoNaz]

Excellent :bgrin:
I'll get this done before next Monday. Can't guarantee any earlier since I'm really busy.
I just hope you haven't uploaded every video I have already!!!

[lord sharky]

just a few clips here, very poor resolution though.. (400~600kb only)
it all came from a tournament-finals in our country almost half a year ago.

http://teamfarmers.freewebpage.org/raging1.avi
http://teamfarmers.freewebpage.org/raging2.avi
http://teamfarmers.freewebpage.org/raging3.avi
(right click & save as...)

[HarmoNaz]

I'm uploading some files now. I've also included a few old matches of mine from a previous ranking battle that you might enjoy :tup:

EDIT - ok just done a bunch, but I can't see them there... does it take time for them to show up or something??

[Just_D_it]

That dark blue Gouki is SICK! No comments...i think that man lives in the cave with just 3S arcade in it...

[andr3w]

I'm not sure whether this has been posted elsewhere in Akuma's forum specifically (I'm sure it has been posted in the 3s Gen Ed Section), but below is a FileFront link to some Sydney Ranbat matches featuring Akuma.

Be Warned: FileFront is RIDICULOUSLY SLOW!! If you see the CPS on your download going below 40k/s or timing out, cancel, try another server or resume (if your browser supports a resume function).

http://hosted.filefront.com/jackkkkk

PS: The player's name is Benson. Although he uses Akuma in Ranbat's 2.5 & 2.6 he switches up in favour of Ken (*TSK* *TSK*) in the newer vids. Will let you know specifically, which RB's contain Akuma action, once I download them all.

[HarmoNaz]

That really good purple akuma in co-op that beasts in the mirror - the one that i said beat dot at kyushu taikai is actually Match. In Japanese that's pronounced macchi, and thats the name on his team list.

I knew it had to be someone REALLY good...