SF II Issue #2 Covers A B & Foil Shipping this Wednesday the 25th

[DeceptconMatrix]

US retailers will be receiving SF II Issue #2 Cover A, B, & C Foil on Jan. 25th as confirmed on our invoices for next week.
Also, the Superwide Street Jam Poster is also being re-released, and the Akuma 8-inch Bust as well.

No, the #1 Foil is still not listed.

Cory K

[danktrees]

do u know why diamond hasnt put it on the shipping list?

[Y2Dane]

How much will this one cost? The last one cost more than I thought it would.

[The Switcher]

Yeah! Only 25 days late! Awesome!

[RC3]

Will they even release #1 Power Foil? Glad to hear the next issue is coming finally.

[udoneko]

First, I apologize the problems that happen with Power Foil #1. The book is printed. I have copies in my hand right now. So what is the problem? Admittedly (as I have explained before, these Power Foils takes a LOT of extra time to print), the book is shipping later than the designated time frame. So Diamond has a policy that if the book is not shipped within the designated time frame, they have to do "order adjustment" and they will ask all the retailers if they wish to adjust their amount of copies ordered. That takes an extra 3 weeks to process, and that is why they are holding the book until they get the revised orders. Then they will be shipping the books out.


I will keep you posted as to when the orders are in and the book will be shipped.

For those guys who always "boo" us, yes, we are still learning everyday. So, keep yay-ing or nay-ing. Keep it coming!

[RC3]

I see. I'm just surprised that #2 is being released before the #1 Power Foil.

[udoneko]

#2 still ships within the window... that's why.

[Y2Dane]

How often my questions go unanswered. Price? Udoneko? Anybody?

[matrixdub]

WTF? London still doesn't have issue 1! This is taking the piss. At least I have my Cammy/Felicia posters.

[udoneko]

Sorry Y2Dane, missed your question. Power Foils now have a suggested retail price of $12.50. Coz a lot of people has been complaining about the various prices that the retailers have been charging while we offered them at a fixed cost before. So starting from this series, all PF covers bears a 12.50 retail price tag in the catalog (not printed on the cover thou). The regular issues are 2.95 each, with issue 1 at 3.95 coz it is a jumbo size issue with more interior pages.

And MatrixDub - you should be able to ask your retailer to re-order issue 1 for you. That book was shipped in December!

[revvy]

I guess you guys have hired consultants to ease the adjustment period from being part of the Devil's Due stable of studios to becoming self-publishing? I figure you'd get some help from some of the ex-Dreamwave people as well? You guys are like the PREMIER studio in Canada now, after DW went under.. I hope you guys at UDON carry to torch well, and not make the same mistakes as DW did.. and yeah.. Speakeasy and Arcana Studios don't count!! lol

[ShinJN]

DecepticonMatrix,

Will you also be stocking the Akuma bust in addition to the comics and poster?

[yikhai]

WTF? London still doesn't have issue 1! This is taking the piss. At least I have my Cammy/Felicia posters.

Yes it was, I got both covers the day it came out. What shops have you been checking? The 2nd print with Sagat cover could be out earliest of next week according to Diamond's expected list for 02.01.06.

And according to Newsarama and Diamond's "Shipping Changes as of 01.23.06"...


UDON ENTERTAINMENT CORP

STREET FIGHTER II #1 POWER FOIL JO CHEN CVR C 11/30/2005 - 3/1/2006
EXALTED #2 POWER FOIL CVR ED 12/14/2005 - 3/1/2006


Sorry, guys. However, it'll give me some time to save up for such an awesome Jo Chen cover though.

[eggy]

Will the #2 RAW edition be included in the shipment?

[DeceptconMatrix]

The #2 Raw edition is not shipping this week.
ShinJN: Yep. Check PM

[Sano]

Got my hands on issue 2.

I liked the main story, the Ryu/Sagat/Dhalsim stuff really reminded me of SF2V where Dhalsim trained both. Didn't think Ryu would lose this time against Sagat, I suppose he'll have to rise to the occasion during the SF2 Tourney. T.Hawk chasing both Noembulu and Juli, that rocks! I liked Chun-Li's second player Zero/Alpha clothes. Great pencils as usual!

Wasn't too crazy about the back up. The artwork was nice but I wasn't digging the storytelling images from the artist too much. When Sagat got all vein-y and caught a nose bleed, was that because he was angry or did Dhalsim do something to him, like, I dunno, make him stand still or something like he did to E.Honda in the SF2 Animated Movie? Either/or it was kind of... bizarre, because when people catch nose bleeds in Anime / Manga, um, it means that they've been sexually aroused. I know this comic isn't Anime / Manga but much of it's look usually is, right down to the beads of sweat on the back of people's heads... seemed wierd. Dhalsim stretchng the mid section of his body was really bizarre as well. He'd have to like... unhinge his spinal cord to do that I'd imagine... well, maybe I shouldn't think about it a lot. The story itself was cool and all.

More and more Rey's look on RS is growing on me. Daigo vs. Hyo was great, loved seeing Daigo get all bloody, and Hyo's slice, really cool! Sakura training Hinata is a nice touch. Can't wait for RS 1!

Shinkiro interview - good stuff!

Great issue overall! :clap:

[DoTheMove]

When Sagat got all vein-y and caught a nose bleed, was that because he was angry or did Dhalsim do something to him, like, I dunno, make him stand still or something like he did to E.Honda in the SF2 Animated Movie?
That's kind of the impression I got. I just figured Dhalsim may not be a really, really gifted fighter, but his ability to understand and manipulate ki is very refined to the point where he can paralyze someone (Honda/SF2 Movie) or induce instant internal trauma like he did to Sagat in this backup.

[DanielLarusso]

Got # 2. I see the full lenght main story arc from issue #1 was just a tempory thing. That's unfortunate. I don't read any other comic book besides this one, is this how they all are nowadays? Half the book one thing, the other half another?

On to the issue itself, more good stuff. Again the artist was born to draw SF, it's in his blood. Can't say enough good things about his art. I loved Ryu hurricane kicking over Sagat's low tiger shot. That's classic shit right there.

Serious lack in Ken in this issue, I'd like to know what he's up to also. Somewhere along the line it's going to have to be addressed why Ryu is the one who does all the training and spends his life with karate, whereas Ken is more of a slacker in that aspect yet is always right there with Ryu in terms of skill. Maybe it can be said that Ken simply has more natural talent.

Did Shinkiro used to work at SNK? I'm pretty sure his shit looks like SNK's style. I didn't think his interview was all that, he seemed to not answer the questions that he was being asked. Or if he did answer them it was like he was busy at the time or just didn't want to talk about it. Could just be the editing.

Overall, good shit.

[Artayes]

Great issue as usual.I am dissappointed that Sakura is gone but I have high hopes she will return at some point in the street fighter story.It was great to see how the whole Dhalsim,sagat,Ryu meeting was setup and then Sagat BEATING Ryu after his training with dhalsim was too good. Bring back Dan,Karin,and r. mika soon before its too late!

[BBCampbell]

Serious lack in Ken in this issue, I'd like to know what he's up to also. Somewhere along the line it's going to have to be addressed why Ryu is the one who does all the training and spends his life with karate, whereas Ken is more of a slacker in that aspect yet is always right there with Ryu in terms of skill. Maybe it can be said that Ken simply has more natural talent.

Did Shinkiro used to work at SNK? I'm pretty sure his shit looks like SNK's style. I didn't think his interview was all that, he seemed to not answer the questions that he was being asked. Or if he did answer them it was like he was busy at the time or just didn't want to talk about it. Could just be the editing.

Overall, good shit.


Serious lack of Ken in this issue... and that's a good thing. Not that I don't like Ken, but I'd much rather see characters disappear for like 2-3 issues than have 1-2 pages of each character each issue, moving the plot forward at a Dragon Ball Z-like pace.

At last count, there are something like 56 - 58 playable characters in the Street Fighter universe, plus all the non-playables like Gouken, Kei, the other 10 Dolls, etc. Despite the fact that 16 aren't supposed to even show up yet (though 2 have: Yun & Yang) throwing all characters in the series would make it one huge clusterfuck. Besides, there have been like 2 or 3 massive group shots, go find those.

Re: Shinkiro. You guessed it. Shinkiro was the SNK artist until 2000. The last game he illustrated for SNK was King of Fighters 2000. Also, the first game he illustrated for Capcom was Capcom vs. SNK 1.

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle!

[DoTheMove]

Serious lack in Ken in this issue, I'd like to know what he's up to also. Somewhere along the line it's going to have to be addressed why Ryu is the one who does all the training and spends his life with karate, whereas Ken is more of a slacker in that aspect yet is always right there with Ryu in terms of skill. Maybe it can be said that Ken simply has more natural talent.
Ryu probably has a better natural ability than Ken, considering he's most likely the more powerful of the two when it comes to ki levels and manipulation. Ryu and Ken are comparable, but Ryu has always been considered better than Ken. We'll never know who is the better "pure fighter" anyway because Ken will never fully dedicate himself and Ryu would never compromise his training for us to find out the answer to that question.

By SF3 Ryu mentions that he still has a better win record than Ken. If Ken really was just naturally better than Ryu the record would be even as Ken's natural ability would balance out the fact that Ryu trains harder. This is however not the case. Ryu still wins more often than Ken, implying that it is Ryu's training and his ability that give him an edge over Ken.

[BanditChain360]

I got issue 2 today, last copy at my comic shop. Cover B, I dug Scott's artwork in the book a lot actually. I draw cartoony crap and it was really nice to see the SF characters in some what of a traditional American cartoony style. If possible I'd definately like to see him come back for some more back stories.

The issue overall was good, my only real problem was I haven't read issue 1 yet. All my comics stores sold out immediately and have said they have issue 1 on back order but have no idea when they are going to get anymore in.

On the Shinkiro front, it's nice having interviews with Capcom dudes but honestly I don't even like Shinkiro's art that much. Don't get me wrong, he's very very talented but it ain't my cup of tea.

As for Rival Schools, I like Rey's personal stuff but I'm not too big a fan of the Rival Schools pages. But I'll certainly check it out whenever the first issue hits, make final decision then.

Overall good work Udon, looking forward to issue 3 and obtaining issue 1, ha. And whenever Darkstalkers makes it's triumphant return.

[DanielLarusso]

Serious lack of Ken in this issue... and that's a good thing. Not that I don't like Ken, but I'd much rather see characters disappear for like 2-3 issues than have 1-2 pages of each character each issue, moving the plot forward at a Dragon Ball Z-like pace.

At last count, there are something like 56 - 58 playable characters in the Street Fighter universe, plus all the non-playables like Gouken, Kei, the other 10 Dolls, etc. Despite the fact that 16 aren't supposed to even show up yet (though 2 have: Yun & Yang) throwing all characters in the series would make it one huge clusterfuck. Besides, there have been like 2 or 3 massive group shots, go find those.


I'm all for keeping it simple and not throwing random characters in just for the sake of doing it. In fact, in the thread for SFII#1 I said random characters should only be introduced if its through one of the main characters story arcs. Ken, however, is hardly a "throw in" character. So you can't look at him not showing up as you would the other 50 plus and attribute that to there just being so many characters. Some characters are essential, he's one of them.

Now that being said, I agree with you. I think this might have been the first issue with no Ken or Guile, and we're concentrating on strictly Ryu and Chun's arc. Since you only have half an issue to work with, it's a good idea to keep it simple. I prefer a slow pace myself as well.

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Ryu probably has a better natural ability than Ken, considering he's most likely the more powerful of the two when it comes to ki levels and manipulation. Ryu and Ken are comparable, but Ryu has always been considered better than Ken. We'll never know who is the better "pure fighter" anyway because Ken will never fully dedicate himself and Ryu would never compromise his training for us to find out the answer to that question.

By SF3 Ryu mentions that he still has a better win record than Ken. If Ken really was just naturally better than Ryu the record would be even as Ken's natural ability would balance out the fact that Ryu trains harder. This is however not the case. Ryu still wins more often than Ken, implying that it is Ryu's training and his ability that give him an edge over Ken.

Well which is it? You can't have it both ways. Either Ryu has more natural ability and Ken trains more, or Ken has more natural ability and Ryu trains more. That's the only way it can be explained. Nobody said Ken is better than Ryu (though the argument can be made), I just said they're fairly equal in talent. And for Ken not to train HALF as much as Ryu, and still be right there with him, must mean he has more natural talent.

Ken has the potential to be better than Ryu, but since it's not in his nature to take his training/fighting as seriously - he's basically a family man now, whereas Ryu has devoted his life to "the fight" - he'll always be a step or two behind him.

[matrixdub]

WTF? London still doesn't have issue 1! This is taking the piss. At least I have my Cammy/Felicia posters.

My bad, I actually had issue 1 but it was so long since then I totally forgot about it. Still no foil for issue 1, but issue 2 manages to get released.

I REALLY wanna get the #1 RAW but $15 plus postage to uk is WAY too much. I thought #0 price was bad enough (I still bought it though).

[King9999]

I liked how there was no expression in Sagat's face throughout the whole fight vs. Ryu. Nice touch. :tup:

[DoTheMove]

Well which is it? You can't have it both ways. Either Ryu has more natural ability and Ken trains more, or Ken has more natural ability and Ryu trains more. That's the only way it can be explained. Nobody said Ken is better than Ryu (though the argument can be made), I just said they're fairly equal in talent. And for Ken not to train HALF as much as Ryu, and still be right there with him, must mean he has more natural talent.

Ken has the potential to be better than Ryu, but since it's not in his nature to take his training/fighting as seriously - he's basically a family man now, whereas Ryu has devoted his life to "the fight" - he'll always be a step or two behind him.
No, it really doesn't have to be one way or the other. If Ryu trained more and Ken had better natural ability then they would be equal. Ryu's stricter training regiment would compensate for Ken's greater talent and make them roughly equal. But this is not the case as Ryu clearly has beaten Ken more often by the last Street Fighter game.

You couldn't ever make the argument the other way around "Ken trains more, and Ryu has more natural talent" simply because Ken has never trained as diligently as Ryu.

One could say that Ryu trains more than Ken and has better natural talent as well. We know Ryu trains harder than Ken. Ken's natural ability is also not enough to put him on a level with Ryu as Ryu beats him more often than not.

What you say: Ken talent vs. Ryu training = they are equal as fighters.

Only problem is that it's not quite accurate. Ryu is better than Ken. They are close, but by Third Strike Ryu is still considered the better fighter. Also the whole training vs. natural talent thing kind of boils down to the fact that in the SNK games natural talent means you are better, whereas in the Street Fighter games training is what builds up power and is more important than natural talent. Ryu is also tiered above Ken in the plot guide. I doubt just a little more training than Ken put him a whole level higher.

Ken might have the potential to beat Ryu, but I really doubt he has the potential to be better. Ryu is the one with the potential to be rediculously powerful. He can tap into the Satsui no Hado, he was picked by Oro as the only fighter worthy of his style, his rival is Gouki, etc.

[Gojira]

Nah, they both have natural talent. Ken just whiffs more

[DanielLarusso]

No, it really doesn't have to be one way or the other. If Ryu trained more and Ken had better natural ability then they would be equal. Ryu's stricter training regiment would compensate for Ken's greater talent and make them roughly equal. But this is not the case as Ryu clearly has beaten Ken more often by the last Street Fighter game.


What are you talking about, they are roughly equal. Ryu is arguably better than Ken, but not by much. And seeing that Ken doesn't train half as much as Ryu, has a family to take care of etc., yet still is right there with him - he is more natuarally talented.

It's a simple argument pal. Sorry, you lose this one. Hell, Ken BEAT Ryu.

Ken's ending in Street Fighter Alpha 2 IS a canon ending for the Alpha series. Ryu BEATS Ken, and gives him his headband. That is how Ryu got the headband, from his loss to Ken.

Ryu won SF1, Ken beat him in Alpha, Ryu MAY have won SFII, and Alex won SFIII.

So at best, it's Ryu 2, Ken 1. Which goes back to my point, Ryu may be better, but not by much.

I'm The Kid

[Y2Dane]

Ken beat Ryu in Alpha 2 because Ryu's head wasn't in the fight. It's not like he just flat out whooped him with superior skills or "natural talent." Ryu simply wasn't focused. And Ken wasn't even in the first Street Fighter tournament.
I highly doubt that those two would ONLY get together to fight during the tournaments. When Ryu says he has the better win record, I'd imagine he's talking about many "off screen" matches they've had in the past.

[mbthomas]

Street Fighter tornaments only represent a brief flash of the characters lives, just as the US martial arts tournament doesn't take place during the games and yet it still happened. Ryu and Ken probably sparred in matches with each other every freaking day for 10 years.

[duzk015]

whats thedifference between SFII comic and SF comic serie.
has SF stopped? cause or is SF II another storiy next to SF?

[DoTheMove]

What are you talking about, they are roughly equal. Ryu is arguably better than Ken, but not by much. And seeing that Ken doesn't train half as much as Ryu, has a family to take care of etc., yet still is right there with him - he is more natuarally talented.

Ryu is not arguably better than Ken. There is no argument. Ryu is better than Ken. Ken may not train as much as Ryu, but considering he trains with Mel, Sean, and has his own personal workouts he's still getting a lot of hours in. Ken is not "right there with Ryu." Ken is close, but he is not equal. Ken may be close when he is fighting Ryu, but if you measured them against the opponents they've fought Ryu is a level above Ken.

It's a simple argument pal. Sorry, you lose this one. Hell, Ken BEAT Ryu.

I hardly think I'm wrong. Especially considering the fact that you have no proof to back up the claim that Ken is more naturally gifted than Ryu. You asking for it to be addressed in a comic makes no sense when it's never been said before.

And as mentioned above Ryu was very distracted when Ken beat him during Alpha 2. If Ryu had fought Ken for real during Alpha 2 he probably would have freaked out, turned into Evil Ryu and killed Ken.

Ken's ending in Street Fighter Alpha 2 IS a canon ending for the Alpha series. Ryu BEATS Ken, and gives him his headband. That is how Ryu got the headband, from his loss to Ken.

And the cannon story for Third Strike (last Street Fighter game) has Ryu defeating Ken.

Ryu won SF1, Ken beat him in Alpha, Ryu MAY have won SFII, and Alex won SFIII.

Ryu won SF1 against Sagat, someone that would have killed Ken back then and probably still today. Ken didn't even bother attending the first SF tournament. He went back to the US.

In the Alpha's Ryu was clearly far more powerful than Ken. He confronted Gouki, and impressed him enough to have Gouki consider him a great future rival, and then was sought out by Bison. No one really cared much about Ken in the Alphas.

In SF2 Ryu was obviously better than Ken as his bio clearly indicates he has let his skills deteriorate. Ryu and Sagat are the only people capable of really taking out Bison in this tournament. Although Guile or Chun Li probably did it, even though it makes no sense.

In SF3 Ryu proves himself to be the only person worthy of learning Oro's style, beats Sean, beats Hugo, beats Ken (and flat out says he's better than Ken), and finally fights Alex, the man who won the tournament, and beats the crap out of him, without ever being touched.

So at best, it's Ryu 2, Ken 1. Which goes back to my point, Ryu may be better, but not by much.

And you say I'm wrong?

Ryu and Ken grew up together, learned martial arts from the same dojo, and are lifelong friends and rivals. I would dare to say they've fought each other more than 3 times. More like 300 times.

You still haven't adressed why Ken isn't as good as Ryu. If he had better natural ability he would be able to close the gap and be just as good as Ryu. He's not, so obviously he isn't a better natural fighter. At BEST Ken's natural ability is EQUAL to Ryu's and Ryu is better because he trains more, which is what makes him have the better record.

Although I doubt even this is true because Ryu's sheer power and massive potential seem to dwarf what Ken can do.

[TiamatRoar]

Saiki said that Ryu was actually kinda depressed/lonely in SF3 because he saw that Ken had fallen so far behind. I believe Vasili10 translated some canon sources stating as such as well, but I don't remember at the moment.

[Sano]

It's simplier than all of this. Ryu is 100% Japanese, Ken isn't. With Japan's intense pride, who do you think Capcom of Japan is going to give the edge? That's why Terry is not the main character of KOF, Kyo is. That works across the board. Superman is not Mexican ya know (yeah, I know he's from Krypton, but raised in America, looks 100% Caucasian) nor will DC create a Mexican character that will kick his Ass on the regular...

[DanielLarusso]

Ryu is not arguably better than Ken. There is no argument. Ryu is better than Ken. Ken may not train as much as Ryu, but considering he trains with Mel, Sean, and has his own personal workouts he's still getting a lot of hours in. Ken is not "right there with Ryu." Ken is close, but he is not equal. Ken may be close when he is fighting Ryu, but if you measured them against the opponents they've fought Ryu is a level above Ken.


You said “Ken is close, but he is not equal.” No shit, that’s what I said. I said they are roughly equal, not “equal.” And yes, the argument can be made that Ken is better. How can you say it can’t be made? Don’t you know anything about arguments, politics, law? An argument can be made on any point, abortion vs. pro-life, gay marriage – an argument can be made. How good of an argument that can be made varies on the subject and the facts, but in this instance, a good argument can be made for Ken.


I hardly think I'm wrong. Especially considering the fact that you have no proof to back up the claim that Ken is more naturally gifted than Ryu. You asking for it to be addressed in a comic makes no sense when it's never been said before.

And as mentioned above Ryu was very distracted when Ken beat him during Alpha 2. If Ryu had fought Ken for real during Alpha 2 he probably would have freaked out, turned into Evil Ryu and killed Ken.

Do you realize how much shit is in that comic that has never been said before? It is a comic book, not a video game. They have an obligation to say stuff that has never been said before simply because the video games are not RPGs, they are fighting games, they have little real “in game story,” so the writers of the comic must compensate for that and take liberties with the property if they are to put out an entertaining comic month after month. (or ever two or three months or whatever the case may be)

And Ryu was distracted? So fucking what, everybody has an excuse when they lose. No one loses completely legit in their mind. When Matt Leinert and USC lost to Texas in the Rose Bowl, Leinert said he still thought USC had the “better team.” Ryu being distracted is not Ken’s fault, when you go into the fight, be ready to fight. If you are not, and you lose, guess what? They don’t take that loss away because you weren’t mentally prepared. Tough shit, Ken was mentally prepared.



And the cannon story for Third Strike (last Street Fighter game) has Ryu defeating Ken.

I didn’t say Ryu didn’t beat Ken in third strike, I said Ryu didn’t win Third Strike. Ryu lost to Alex. There is no cannon that says Ryu and Ken even fought in Third Strike. Hell, Ryu and Ken weren’t even supposed to be in the game.


Ryu won SF1 against Sagat, someone that would have killed Ken back then and probably still today. Ken didn't even bother attending the first SF tournament. He went back to the US.

In the Alpha's Ryu was clearly far more powerful than Ken. He confronted Gouki, and impressed him enough to have Gouki consider him a great future rival, and then was sought out by Bison. No one really cared much about Ken in the Alphas.


Listen to you. Sagat “probably” would have done this and Ken “probably” would have done that. I ain’t telling you shit that “probably, could have, might have” happened, I’m telling you what HAPPENED.

You said in the Alpha’s Ryu was “clearly far more powerful” than Ken. Guess what, in the Alphas, Ken beat Ryu. Remember how I just told you that in my last post? Yet somehow you came back with this comment only to further dig yourself in a whole?


In SF2 Ryu was obviously better than Ken as his bio clearly indicates he has let his skills deteriorate. Ryu and Sagat are the only people capable of really taking out Bison in this tournament. Although Guile or Chun Li probably did it, even though it makes no sense.

In SF3 Ryu proves himself to be the only person worthy of learning Oro's style, beats Sean, beats Hugo, beats Ken (and flat out says he's better than Ken), and finally fights Alex, the man who won the tournament, and beats the crap out of him, without ever being touched.

Ryu beating Alex is not canon, because Alex won the tournament. If Ryu beat Alex, Alex could not have won. Even IF Ryu beats Ken, it still doesn’t take away my point. I’m giving Ryu the assumption that he is better than Ken, so him beating Ken doesn’t do shit to my argument. I’m saying Ken is right there with him. And by SFIII, Ken is raising a son with his wife. I hardly think “the fight” is the most important thing on his mind.



And you say I'm wrong?

Ryu and Ken grew up together, learned martial arts from the same dojo, and are lifelong friends and rivals. I would dare to say they've fought each other more than 3 times. More like 300 times.

You still haven't adressed why Ken isn't as good as Ryu. If he had better natural ability he would be able to close the gap and be just as good as Ryu. He's not, so obviously he isn't a better natural fighter. At BEST Ken's natural ability is EQUAL to Ryu's and Ryu is better because he trains more, which is what makes him have the better record.

Although I doubt even this is true because Ryu's sheer power and massive potential seem to dwarf what Ken can do.


Yeah, Ryu and Ken probably fought more than 3 times. But who’s to say who “probably” won. My balls “probably” could be yearning for the kind of hard man-loving found in Brokeback Mountain, or Jessica Simpson “probably” sucks a mean cock, but unless we know for sure, then your assumption of what “probably” would have happened is no more credible than mine.

I talk about the 3 tournaments because that is fact. I know this whole theory of using facts messing up your make believe-based argument, but that’s just how I roll.

Why? Cause I’m The Kid.

[TiamatRoar]

Ryu lost to Oro during the SF3 tournament, not Alex. Capcom stated that on their website for a while, even.

And Third Strike, where Ryu beat Alex, was not the tournament. Double Impact was (where Ryu never got to fight Alex because Alex won the entire tournament yet Oro was the one who beat Ryu, so one can make the logical assumption that Ryu was eliminated first. Of course, in TS, they act as if they've never fought before, as well).

When using facts, it's good to make sure they're straight, first.

[DanielLarusso]

Ryu lost to Oro during the SF3 tournament, not Alex. Capcom stated that on their website for a while, even.

And Third Strike, where Ryu beat Alex, was not the tournament. Double Impact was (where Ryu never got to fight Alex because Alex won the entire tournament yet Oro was the one who beat Ryu, so one can make the logical assumption that Ryu was eliminated first. Of course, in TS, they act as if they've never fought before, as well).

When using facts, it's good to make sure they're straight, first.

Good look on that, granted.

Nevertheless, DoTheMove, my statements on Ken/Ryu stand.

[DoTheMove]

You said “Ken is close, but he is not equal.” No shit, that’s what I said. I said they are roughly equal, not “equal.” And yes, the argument can be made that Ken is better. How good of an argument that can be made varies on the subject and the facts, but in this instance, a good argument can be made for Ken.
How can you argue that Ken is better when Ryu beats him more? Doesn't make much sense to me. Ryu wins more than Ken and also fights tougher opponents than Ken. You can make an argument that Ken is better, but it's a bad argument that goes against many established facts of Street Fighter canon.

Do you realize how much shit is in that comic that has never been said before? It is a comic book, not a video game.
Udoneko has stated that he wants the comic to be as close to the original SF story as possible. If this is true then your bit about Ken being better wouldn't make it in, since it's not true in the real story.

And Ryu was distracted? So fucking what, everybody has an excuse when they lose.
Ryu was being consumed by the Killing Intent and had just gone 10 rounds with the murderer of his Sensei, only to find out that he will one day become like Gouki. That's a little much to have on your plate. No one could fight with a level head in that situation. Ryu never made any excuses. Ken knew something was wrong. None of this changes the fact that Ryu has a better record against Ken.

I didn’t say Ryu didn’t beat Ken in third strike, I said Ryu didn’t win Third Strike. Ryu lost to Alex. There is no cannon that says Ryu and Ken even fought in Third Strike. Hell, Ryu and Ken weren’t even supposed to be in the game.
There was no Third Strike Tournament. Ryu didn't win the SF3 Tournament. He was defeated by Oro. Alex beat Gill. After the tournament (Third Strike) Ryu beat Ken and then beat Alex no problem. It's official. You have at least 2 other people posting on this thread that will confirm it. The fact that they weren't supposed to be in the game is irrelevant. They were.

Listen to you. Sagat “probably” would have done this and Ken “probably” would have done that. I ain’t telling you shit that “probably, could have, might have” happened, I’m telling you what HAPPENED.
Riiiiiiiiight. Calm down.

You said in the Alpha’s Ryu was “clearly far more powerful” than Ken. Guess what, in the Alphas, Ken beat Ryu. Remember how I just told you that in my last post? Yet somehow you came back with this comment only to further dig yourself in a whole?
Ryu lost to Ken in Alpha 2. So what. The fact that he lost once to Ken during Alpha 2 does not change the fact that Ryu was more powerful than Ken during that time period. He was too distracted when he fought Ken to utilize his full abilitites, as has been explained to you severla times. Ryu impressed the hell out of Gouki and Bison wanted him. Did Ken do that? No.

Ryu beating Alex is not canon, because Alex won the tournament. If Ryu beat Alex, Alex could not have won. Even IF Ryu beats Ken, it still doesn’t take away my point. I’m giving Ryu the assumption that he is better than Ken, so him beating Ken doesn’t do shit to my argument. I’m saying Ken is right there with him. And by SFIII, Ken is raising a son with his wife. I hardly think “the fight” is the most important thing on his mind.
Ryu beating Alex is official. If you dont believe the other people on this thread that will confirm it, then go beat Third Strike with Alex. Ryu beats the crap out of him in his ending. Again, Ryu beat Alex after the tournament. Ryu never fought Alex during the actual tournament.

Yeah, Ryu and Ken probably fought more than 3 times. But who’s to say who “probably” won. My balls “probably” could be yearning for the kind of hard man-loving found in Brokeback Mountain, or Jessica Simpson “probably” sucks a mean cock, but unless we know for sure, then your assumption of what “probably” would have happened is no more credible than mine.I'd prefer not to know what your testicles probably yearn for. This board is about SF, not movies about homosexual cowboys.

Ryu beat Ken in Third Strike. It's official. When you fight Ken as Ryu, he clearly states to Ken, "I still have the better win record."

I talk about the 3 tournaments because that is fact. I know this whole theory of using facts messing up your make believe-based argument, but that’s just how I roll. Why? Cause I’m The Kid. Good for you.
I dont know how you are going to use the tournaments in your arguments because:

SF1: Ken did not attend. Ryu and Ken didn't fight.
SF2: We dont know what happened here. Ryu and Ken may not have fought.
SF3: Ryu and Ken did not fight. They fight after the tournament.

So if you go by the almighty tournament facts you really can't say anything about Ryu vs. Ken.

[DanielLarusso]

How can you argue that Ken is better when Ryu beats him more? Doesn't make much sense to me. Ryu wins more than Ken and also fights tougher opponents than Ken. You can make an argument that Ken is better, but it's a bad argument that goes against many established facts of Street Fighter canon.

How can you make an argument that marijuana should be legalized? How can you make an argument that “Boogie Nights” is a better movie than “Fight Club”? You can make any argument, because there is never one side to an issue.

What are these “many established facts of Street Fighter canon” that says Ryu is SO much better than Ken that you talk about but never seem to state?


Udoneko has stated that he wants the comic to be as close to the original SF story as possible. If this is true then your bit about Ken being better wouldn't make it in, since it's not true in the real story.

Since you seem to ignore common sense, let me post it again:

“Do you realize how much shit is in that comic that has never been said before? It is a comic book, not a video game. They have an obligation to say stuff that has never been said before simply because the video games are not RPGs, they are fighting games, they have little real “in game story,” so the writers of the comic must compensate for that and take liberties with the property if they are to put out an entertaining comic month after month. (or ever two or three months or whatever the case may be)”

Did you think I was gonna let you slide with your little spin to avoid that statement? Think again. You ain’t never argued with a motherfucker quite like me.


Ryu was being consumed by the Killing Intent and had just gone 10 rounds with the murderer of his Sensei, only to find out that he will one day become like Gouki. That's a little much to have on your plate. No one could fight with a level head in that situation. Ryu never made any excuses. Ken knew something was wrong. None of this changes the fact that Ryu has a better record against Ken.

Oh look, here’s another one of your spins to avoid my original statement. All you’ve done here is pull more excuses out of your ass. Listen to you, “no one could fight with a level head in that situation.” Lol, guess what, no one could throw fireballs and hurricane kick either. Make excuses as you wish, it doesn’t change the fact that he LOST.

If you’re gonna sit there and whine about Ryu losing like you are doing, then I could whine just the same about when Ken loses! Do you think when one team wins the super bowl this Sunday, they’re gonna sit back and say “the other team’s head wasn’t in it, we want to forfeit the Super Bowl win to them.”

No, it doesn’t work that way buddy. If you don’t show up to play and your head’s not in the game and you lose. Guess what? YOU LOSE.

And what about this “better record against Ken?” Even IF, and that’s a big IF, Ryu has a better record against Ken, it does not hurt my argument. Whereas, there is no IF in the fact that Ken beat Ryu in Alpha.


There was no Third Strike Tournament. Ryu didn't win the SF3 Tournament. He was defeated by Oro. Alex beat Gill. After the tournament (Third Strike) Ryu beat Ken and then beat Alex no problem. It's official. You have at least 2 other people posting on this thread that will confirm it. The fact that they weren't supposed to be in the game is irrelevant. They were.

You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You said Ryu didn’t win the SF3 tournament, and that’s all you need to know. So in Third Strike Ryu “beats” Ken if you play as Ryu, then he beats Alex. Well, guess what? If I play as Ken, Ken “beats” Ryu and Alex too.

That shitty argument is based on who you play as, and since the one ending that is the Gospel is Alex’s, the other stuff is just in there. You can play as Ryu and say “look I beat Ken,” well whoopty shit I can play as Ken and claim the same against Ryu. Alex is the one who matters there.



Riiiiiiiiight. Calm down.

Is that the best you got? Trying to run away from my statements again I see. It’s OK, I’m sure by now you’ve realized you’ve bit off more than you can chew. So little “riiiight” responses like that should help you to save face while not actually posting anything of note, simply because you can’t respond. A lesser poster would let you slide on that without pointing out your shortcomings. The Kid is not a lesser poster.

Here it is again for your reading pleasure:

“Listen to you. Sagat “probably” would have done this and Ken “probably” would have done that. I ain’t telling you shit that “probably, could have, might have” happened, I’m telling you what HAPPENED.”

Ooh, now that’s riiiiighhhtt.


Ryu lost to Ken in Alpha 2. So what. The fact that he lost once to Ken during Alpha 2 does not change the fact that Ryu was more powerful than Ken during that time period. He was too distracted when he fought Ken to utilize his full abilitites, as has been explained to you severla times. Ryu impressed the hell out of Gouki and Bison wanted him. Did Ken do that? No.

The fact that Ryu lost doesn’t change the fact that he was more powerful? History is written by the winners, not the whiners. I’d like to see the player Sunday who says “The fact that we lost the Super Bowl doesn’t change the fact that we were the better team.”

If you were the better team, you would have won.


Ryu beating Alex is official. If you dont believe the other people on this thread that will confirm it, then go beat Third Strike with Alex. Ryu beats the crap out of him in his ending. Again, Ryu beat Alex after the tournament. Ryu never fought Alex during the actual tournament.

So fucking what? Ryu beating Alex doesn’t have anything to do with Ryu beating Ken. According to you, during Alpha Ryu impressed Gouki enough “to have Gouki consider him a great future rival, and then was sought out by Bison.”

So - if we are to just agree with your statements just for the sake of the argument - even with Ryu doing all that, he STILL couldn’t beat Ken. Even IF, - just for the sake of your argument – Ryu beat Street Fighters Ken lost to, it does not mean he can beat Ken. Just because “A” can beat “B,” and “B” can beat “C,” doesn’t mean that “A” can beat “C.” Want proof? See SFA2.

Fighting is about match ups, some fighters match up better with other fighters. Ken was not a good match up for Ryu.


I'd prefer not to know what your testicles probably yearn for. This board is about SF, not movies about homosexual cowboys.

Ryu beat Ken in Third Strike. It's official. When you fight Ken as Ryu, he clearly states to Ken, "I still have the better win record."

I may not be homosexual, but if a dude gets in an argument with me when I know I have a point, I will anally rape him.

Again, since you like to skip over points I’ll say it again. Ryu having a better win record doesn’t take away from my point – Ken and Ryu are nearly equal in terms of skill. Personally, I give the edge to Ryu, as I’ve said before. No matter how many times you try to spin it like I’m trying to say Ken’s better. I see through all that.

I’m Lion-O in this bitch, I have sight beyond sight.

And the Eye of Thundara has told me this is where you put the nail in your coffin:


Good for you.
I dont know how you are going to use the tournaments in your arguments because:

SF1: Ken did not attend. Ryu and Ken didn't fight.
SF2: We dont know what happened here. Ryu and Ken may not have fought.
SF3: Ryu and Ken did not fight. They fight after the tournament.

So if you go by the almighty tournament facts you really can't say anything about Ryu vs. Ken.

So SF1 Ken and Ryu did not fight. SF2 we don’t know what happened. And SF3 Ryu and Ken did not fight.

So the only IN GAME CANON we have of an actual fight that did take place is SFA2, where Ken WON. Ryu may have “the better win record,” but holy shit. The better head to head record?

Looks like Ken 1, Ryu 0.

Damn, you know I’m The Kid.

[DoTheMove]

Before you reply to this please go to: http://www.shadowhaxor.net/image%20hosting/SFplotguide40.txt and read the Street Fighter Plot Guide. It will give you an extensive look at the official story of Street Fighter.(or as close as it gets)
How can you make an argument that marijuana should be legalized? How can you make an argument that “Boogie Nights” is a better movie than “Fight Club”? You can make any argument, because there is never one side to an issue. I would say that whichever movie sold more tickets is the more popular movie. Since Ryu has a better WIN record than Ken he is better. Simple enough for you?
What are these “many established facts of Street Fighter canon” that says Ryu is SO much better than Ken that you talk about but never seem to state?Ryu beats Ken most of the time. He says so in Third Strike. That's all I really need to say. You just need to go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.
Did you think I was gonna let you slide with your little spin to avoid that statement? Think again. You ain’t never argued with a motherfucker quite like me. Okay, listen again you little motherfucker you:
Udon is keeping the comic close to the original story. So far just about everything is close. Ryu beat Sagat.Gouki killed Gouken.Ryu turns evil and meets Gouki.Ken marries Eliza. Bison goes after Ryu.Charlie dies fighting Bison.

Hmmm, so far just about everything seems to mesh with the real SF story. Ken being better than Ryu is not part of the real story, therefor it doesn't need to be in the comic.
Make excuses as you wish, it doesn’t change the fact that he LOST.I am not making excuses. I am explaining why he lost. Ryu lost because he was effed up in the head, not because Ken is better than him. Ryu is clearly better than Ken, since he beatsw Ken most of the time. Again read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.
And what about this “better record against Ken?” Even IF, and that’s a big IF, Ryu has a better record against Ken, it does not hurt my argument. Whereas, there is no IF in the fact that Ken beat Ryu in Alpha.
Ryu does have the better record against Ken. Go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide or play Third Strike. Ryu's mid-boss is Ken. Ryu points out that he beats Ken most of the time. This does hurt your argument if you are trying to imply that Ken is better than Ryu. It means that you are wrong. Go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.
You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You said Ryu didn’t win the SF3 tournament, and that’s all you need to know. So in Third Strike Ryu “beats” Ken if you play as Ryu, then he beats Alex. Well, guess what? If I play as Ken, Ken “beats” Ryu and Alex too. No, in all the official results compiled about the Third Strike story it was determined that Ryu beat Ken. Read the Street Fighter Plot Guide. You really, really need to read this. Alex gets beat by Ryu in his OFFICIAL ENDING. Not Ryu's ending, Alex's. Alex lost to Ryu in his own ending.
That shitty argument is based on who you play as, and since the one ending that is the Gospel is Alex’s, the other stuff is just in there. You can play as Ryu and say “look I beat Ken,” well whoopty shit I can play as Ken and claim the same against Ryu. Alex is the one who matters there.Ryu says he has a better record than Ken in the in game dialogue young grasshopper. Ken has no in game dialogue where he syas he's better than Ryu. Ryu says it to Ken because it's the truth. And considering Ryu beats Alex in Alex's personal ending, yeah, it's gospel that Ryu beat Alex.
Is that the best you got? Trying to run away from my statements again I see. It’s OK, I’m sure by now you’ve realized you’ve bit off more than you can chew. So little “riiiight” responses like that should help you to save face while not actually posting anything of note, simply because you can’t respond. A lesser poster would let you slide on that without pointing out your shortcomings. The Kid is not a lesser poster.LOL!!
“Listen to you. Sagat “probably” would have done this and Ken “probably” would have done that. I ain’t telling you shit that “probably, could have, might have” happened, I’m telling you what HAPPENED.”
And I'm telling you Sagat would kill Ken. Ryu only beat Sagat because of the Satsui no Hadou. Ken does not possess this ability and is not as good as Ryu in general. Yes Sagat would have killed him.
Ooh, now that’s riiiiighhhtt. Sigh...are you acting like this because you know you're wrong, or do you actually communicate like this? If it's the later, that's pretty sad.
Fighting is about match ups, some fighters match up better with other fighters. Ken was not a good match up for Ryu.Well Ryu beats Ken more often than not, so it's a pretty good match, for Ryu that is.
I may not be homosexual, but if a dude gets in an argument with me when I know I have a point, I will anally rape him.So do you get anally raped when you are proved wrong?
I’m Lion-O in this bitch, I have sight beyond sight.
And the Eye of Thundara has told me this is where you put the nail in your coffin:
Well Mum Rah the ever living tells me it's time for you to read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.
So SF1 Ken and Ryu did not fight. SF2 we don’t know what happened. And SF3 Ryu and Ken did not fight. So the only IN GAME CANON we have of an actual fight that did take place is SFA2, where Ken WON. Ryu may have “the better win record,” but holy shit. The better head to head record? Ryu stated IN GAME that he had the better record. It was in the actual game itself. Ryu was taling about his record against Ken. Why is it so hard for you to understand this concept?
Looks like Ken 1, Ryu 0.Ryu to Ken, "I still have the better win record." End of story. Looks like you are delusional.
Damn, you know I’m The Kid.
Yeah, you debate like a four year old.

Now go here: http://www.shadowhaxor.net/image%20hosting/SFplotguide40.txt and read the sections on Ken and Ryu. Dont do it for me, do it for you, and do it for Ken.

[Sagatryu]

this is Ryu's maximum potential bp that Juni rates in Alpha 3 compare to Ken's bp

Ryu: 125500

Ken: 7500

[Sano]

That Link is the older version of the plot guide version 4.0. the first link in my sig to find the most recent version of the plot guide, version 4.2.

[TiamatRoar]

I'm pretty sure Ryu beating Alex in Third Strike was stated on Capcom's webpage for a while as well. Generally speaking, it seems pretty darn safe to assume that nearly every Third Strike ending happened because Capcom sure as heck seems to be going along with that where ever it pops up.

[Y2Dane]

You offend all reason, Mr. Larusso. You are not the karate kid. You're fucking ridiculous. Do you have half a million people telling you the same shit? Doesn't that say something? Cuz it should. Pull your head out of your ass, get past your fucking ego and FESS up to the god damn truth. Christ. I can just see all of your friends tellin' you your bitch slept around behind your back, but your ignorant ass would just be sittin' there like "Nah, man! She LOVES me! I'm the KID! I'm LION-O in this BITCH!"
How can one person be so retarded?

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

So yeah. SF II #2 was awesome.


TIGER RAID BITCH!

[DanielLarusso]

Before you reply to this please go to: http://www.shadowhaxor.net/image%20hosting/SFplotguide40.txt and read the Street Fighter Plot Guide. It will give you an extensive look at the official story of Street Fighter.(or as close as it gets)

Before you reply to this please go to: http://www.brokebackmountain.com and you show me what game can you find CAPCOM’S word that Ryu is SO much better than Ken. You’d have about as much luck finding it there as you would on your link.


I would say that whichever movie sold more tickets is the more popular movie. Since Ryu has a better WIN record than Ken he is better. Simple enough for you?

I would say that I did not ask what movie is the “more popular” movie. I asked what was the “better” movie. And just for you reading pleasure I will even address that little nugget you threw in there that I didn’t even say - Titanic sold more tickets than Star Wars, yet “the argument can be made” that Star Wars is the MORE POPULAR movie!

Damn, I’m so good I scare MYSELF!

And where did you learn to reply to every sentence and change the subject? I thought I told you, I see through you and your replies. Lion-O, remember? ThunderCats Ho?


Ryu beats Ken most of the time. He says so in Third Strike. That's all I really need to say. You just need to go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.

Again, so fucking what? IF Ryu beats Ken most of the time, it doesn’t hurt my argument. You DON’T HAVE THE FACTS to hurt my argument.

Even if you say Ryu beats Ken ALL the time, he STILL lost to him when he fought him in Alpha! A time when YOU claim he was “more powerful than Ken.” So YOU say he was more powerful than Ken, but Capcom says he lost. Hmm, who am I going to believe here?

I think I’ll believe you.
…

No, no I change my mind. I think I’ll go with Capcom on that one. I had a change of heart.


Okay, listen again you little motherfucker you:
Udon is keeping the comic close to the original story. So far just about everything is close. Ryu beat Sagat.Gouki killed Gouken.Ryu turns evil and meets Gouki.Ken marries Eliza. Bison goes after Ryu.Charlie dies fighting Bison.

Hmmm, so far just about everything seems to mesh with the real SF story. Ken being better than Ryu is not part of the real story, therefor it doesn't need to be in the comic.

Okay, listen again you little motherfucker you: Maybe you didn’t realize you were arguing with The Kid, but let me show you once again, sight beyond sight.

Look what you’re doing with that statement above? PATHETIC! First of all you’re taking about KEY moments in Street Fighter history. “Ken marries Eliza,” LOL. No shit that’s gonna be in the book!

Then you said “Ken being better than Ryu is not part of the real story.” Bitch, I’m not saying Ken is better than Ryu. You may fool these other motherfuckers who are replying for you by trying to make my argument for you, but you’re not fooling The Kid.

I said Ryu is better than Ken, but not by much. THAT is my argument. THAT is up for interpretation. And THAT can be addressed one way or another in the comic book.

Hmm, why don’t I do what you’re doing and make up your argument for you. Let’s see:

“DoTheMove, you’re crazy! Ken and Ryu did NOT have a cameo appearance in “Citizen Kane!” They weren’t even created then! How dare you claim they were in that movie?”

Now I wonder if I can get some scragglers on to post for me and tell you that you offend all reason by posting that? Might be worth a shot.


I am not making excuses. I am explaining why he lost. Ryu lost because he was effed up in the head, not because Ken is better than him. Ryu is clearly better than Ken, since he beatsw Ken most of the time. Again read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.

Again, read the Brokeback Mountain screen play. Now when you’re done reading that, read my reply to your above statement:

Oooh, so you’re telling me WHY he lost, his head wasn’t in it, huh? Sorry buddy, he still lost. Ken’s head was in it, he can’t be responsible for Ryu’s head. Oh, except when he pounded it in the ground that fight.

Justin Wong loses MvC2 2005 to Duc Do. Justin’s head might not have been in it, so does Duc give him his first place prize money and ask for the loss to be stricken from Justin’s record? No, he doesn’t, and Justin doesn’t ask him too.

Because Justin has the common sense to know that if you pay your entry money and enter a tournament, your personal demons and problems you got going on in your life are not taken into account when you get peaced out, much like Ryu did.


Ryu does have the better record against Ken. Go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide or play Third Strike. Ryu's mid-boss is Ken. Ryu points out that he beats Ken most of the time. This does hurt your argument if you are trying to imply that Ken is better than Ryu. It means that you are wrong. Go read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.

Go read the Brokeback Mountain screen play. I don’t give a shit if Ryu has the better record. I’d just as well assume that he DOES. However, by YOUR logic, since Ken wasn’t in SFI, and they didn’t fight in SFII, and Ryu won a fight after SFIII (this is just me spotting you the assumption that Ryu’s fight with Ken DID happen in SFIII, and Ken’s fight with Ryu DIDN’T happen, just so I can help to bolster your argument, lol) – Their IN GAME record is 1 to 1.

You feel that? That’s The Kid’s aura you feel. You’ll never forget the time you tried to argued with me for as long as you’re on this site. You will rue my name whenever you see it. Consider this a learning experience, don’t hang your head when it’s over.


No, in all the official results compiled about the Third Strike story it was determined that Ryu beat Ken. Read the Street Fighter Plot Guide. You really, really need to read this. Alex gets beat by Ryu in his OFFICIAL ENDING. Not Ryu's ending, Alex's. Alex lost to Ryu in his own ending.

See the above post.


Ryu says he has a better record than Ken in the in game dialogue young grasshopper. Ken has no in game dialogue where he syas he's better than Ryu. Ryu says it to Ken because it's the truth. And considering Ryu beats Alex in Alex's personal ending, yeah, it's gospel that Ryu beat Alex.

Young grasshopper, I don’t care if Ryu has a better record than Ken. That might help your make believe argument, the one where you’re trying to convince yourself that I’m saying Ken is better than Ryu, but it doesn’t help your actual argument against me.

Ken also has no in game dialogue where he says he’s better than Dan. So I guess we are to assume he’s not.


LOL!!

Righhhht.


And I'm telling you Sagat would kill Ken. Ryu only beat Sagat because of the Satsui no Hadou. Ken does not possess this ability and is not as good as Ryu in general. Yes Sagat would have killed him.

Here you are again, with what “would” happen. Jesus WOULD kill Ryu if they fought, but they didn’t, so until then we’ll stick to what “did” happen.


Sigh...are you acting like this because you know you're wrong, or do you actually communicate like this? If it's the later, that's pretty sad.

You’ve done a lot of babbling and topic changing, but you haven’t proved me wrong.


So do you get anally raped when you are proved wrong?

That’s a good question, I guess we’ll never know.


Well Mum Rah the ever living tells me it's time for you to read the Street Fighter Plot Guide.

The Eye of Thundara tells me that until you find the official Capcom plot guide that tells me Ryu is SO much better than Ken, and has more natural ability - you’ll feel the magic and hear the roar.


Ryu stated IN GAME that he had the better record. It was in the actual game itself. Ryu was taling about his record against Ken. Why is it so hard for you to understand this concept?
Ryu to Ken, "I still have the better win record." End of story. Looks like you are delusional.

Again, I don’t give a shit. Ryu probably has the better record, shit I was GIVING HIM THAT from the beginning. And “the better win record,” doesn’t hurt my argument in the LEAST. Hell, all that tells me is that Ryu is happy he has a better record.

SPOTTING you that he is talking about his versus record against Ken – Again, JUST to help out your argument – It doesn’t tell me what that record is! The “better” record could be 5 to 3, it could be 90 to 12 or it COULD be 2 to 1.

When Ryu says his record against Ken is 50 to 5, then I’ve lost the argument. So open up Google and search to your hearts content. There seems to be a link you like to give out to help with SF canon, I’ll be a nice guy give you that link so you don’t have to go searching for it. Don’t worry, it’s just the kind of person I am:
http://www.shadowhaxor.net/image%20hosting/SFplotguide40.txt


Yeah, you debate like a four year old.

Damn, then what does that make you? Sperm?


Now go here: http://www.shadowhaxor.net/image%20hosting/SFplotguide40.txt and read the sections on Ken and Ryu. Dont do it for me, do it for you, and do it for Ken.

Now go here:
http://www.brokebackmountain.com and immerse yourself in the beauty. Don’t do it for me, do it for Jack and Ennis.

[gamespy]

Oh, and something no one has said as yet.

"If Oro is stronger than Alex, how come Alex won the tournament?"

This was because Oro didn't show up for his match against Alex as he dropped out after beating Ryu, therefore making Alex the one to fight Gill.


I think everyone is missing the point that DanielLarusso is trying to make.

While Ryu is better, Ken has the better natural talent.

If for example, it takes Ryu ten days of hard training to throw a Fireball, it will probably take Ken 3 days to do the same move, probably even better.

If Ken took his training as serious as Ryu, then he would be able to beat him. However, since Ken actually has a life, it's obvious that Ken's skills wouldn't be as strong as Ryu's since he doesn't have the time to train like Ryu.


I think that's what DanielLarusso was trying to say.

[nokternal]

how about putting this argument to an end.

let just say Ken was better than ryu in alpha when ken beats ryu. Doesn't matter if ryu head was straight or not, he still lost. A lost is a lost, no excuses. IF you enter a fight you better be prepared. THerefore ken is better in alpha.

Now in street fighter 3rd third strike, we can just argue that ryu is better due to his better record over ken. And the fact that ken hasn't been dedicated to his training as Ryu. if you are not dedicated as your rival than you deserve to be second best. Ryu is dedicated so it is a given that his skills is probably better than ken. Plus Ryu straight out said that he has a better record.

Each has an advantage over each other during the series, but man imagine what would happen to ken if ryu went dark hado on his ass. Instant death!!!

[Sagatryu]

Actually third strike takes place after the tournament and the only reason Alex won was becasue Gill basicly let him win the tournament. So ryu did defeat Alex just not at the tournament.



edit also Oro drop out of the tournament when he defeated Ryu.

[DoTheMove]

I think everyone is missing the point that DanielLarusso is trying to make.

While Ryu is better, Ken has the better natural talent.

If for example, it takes Ryu ten days of hard training to throw a Fireball, it will probably take Ken 3 days to do the same move, probably even better.

If Ken took his training as serious as Ryu, then he would be able to beat him. However, since Ken actually has a life, it's obvious that Ken's skills wouldn't be as strong as Ryu's since he doesn't have the time to train like Ryu.

His point is wrong. Even when Ryu and Ken were both training every day under Gouken Ryu was still better than Ken. Ken realized this and took to wearing a bright red dogi so that he would stand out better, and people would look to him, even though Ryu was the better fighter. His point is not based on any facts. Where has Capcom ever stated that Ken was naturally better, or a faster learner? I've never seen that stated anywhere. All I see are consistant reminders that Ryu is superior to Ken. Ryu was better in SF1, Ryu got beat in Alpha 2 only because he was a basket case, Ryu is better in SF2, and Ryu beats Ken after SF3. According to this Ken really can't stand up against Ryu, unless Ryu's just not really trying.

And is it just me, or does DanielLarusso REALLY like Brokeback Mountain?

[Apathy-Inc]

I guess this thread answers the question "Is Dudley black?"...

[Sagatryu]

come on you know answer that question is the same as answer how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop.

edit: the world may never know.

[Y2Dane]

how about putting this argument to an end.

let just say Ken was better than ryu in alpha when ken beats ryu. Doesn't matter if ryu head was straight or not, he still lost. A lost is a lost, no excuses. IF you enter a fight you better be prepared. THerefore ken is better in alpha.


That logic doesn't make any damn sense. Say you're PLAYING Street Fighter Alpha with your little brother, who is inferior to you in terms of skill. But as you're playing, your girlfriend is over and she's fussing at you about some bullshit, you get distracted, and because your head isn't in the match, your little brother beats you. Does that mean that he's better than you, just because he beat you in one match where you were barely even paying attention? No excuses my ass.

[Sano]

Just to point out that Ryu and Ken have never had a serious fight. Ever. They have friendly sparring matches and that's it. While Ryu has the better win record (and is the better fighter because it's his game naturally) you shouldn't put too much meaning behind these wins/losses IMHO.

[coco_j]

this is Ryu's maximum potential bp that Juni rates in Alpha 3 compare to Ken's bp

Ryu: 125500

Ken: 7500


/\/\/\/\/\ LOOK!!!!

That seems to be a measure of the fighters potential, look at the differences. Ken does not have better natural ability.

[nokternal]

That logic doesn't make any damn sense. Say you're PLAYING Street Fighter Alpha with your little brother, who is inferior to you in terms of skill. But as you're playing, your girlfriend is over and she's fussing at you about some bullshit, you get distracted, and because your head isn't in the match, your little brother beats you. Does that mean that he's better than you, just because he beat you in one match where you were barely even paying attention? No excuses my ass.

if im assuming that the fight between ryu and ken is an actual real fight than it makes a lot of sense. in a real fight if you are not prepared than you may not have a second chance. If you are easily distracted during your match and you lose than you are only second best. Your distraction have nothing to do with your opponent. did your opponent distract you? if you feel that you are not ready to fight than you shouldn't accept the challenge. if ryu was fighting sagat and was distracted, he would have been killed, that means that sagat is better because ryu doesn't have a second chance to prove to everyone that he was better.


I put it in a video game sense, Say you are in a street fighter video game tournament. you are playing for the grand prize. IF you get distracted than who fault is it? its not the guy you're playing against. IF you lose than who wins the grand prize?? You have only one chance if you not going to do your best than you're pretty much done for. WHat you going to do? go to the judges and cry about it? he may not better than you, but when he beat you, he was better. if you got distracted, he could have been distracted too, but he didnt so that made him better than you

[DoTheMove]

Losing a fight becasue the opponent is better is completely different than losing because you were distracted.

Did Ryu lose? Yes.
Did he lose because Ken was better than him? No.
Did he lose because he was distracted by the Satsui no Hado and his meeting with Gouki? Yes. It even says Ryu was distracted in the ending.

Ryu is obviously not going to turn down a match with Ken. It didn't matter that he wasn't mentally prepared or in the right state of mind. He took the match becasue they fight every time they meet. Did Ryu lose? Yes. Is it becasue Ken is better? No.

When Ken beats Ryu a reason is given for it. (preoccupied with SNH and Gouki)
When Ryu beats Ken no explaination is needed. He's just better than Ken.

[The Switcher]

Ken gets to bang a hot blonde.

Ryu has a duffle bag.


Ken >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryu

[DRAGONTHEBOMB]

LOL....well put :P

[DanielLarusso]

Ken gets to bang a hot blonde.

Ryu has a duffle bag.


Ken >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryu

Yeah, that too.

[DoTheMove]

Ken gets to bang a hot blonde.

Ryu has a duffle bag.


Ken >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryu
This is according to the standards and goals of someone from Ken's world. In Ryu's world, the world of a "True Warrior" it is undeniably:

Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken

p.s. Ryu could be banging a hot blond, red-head, and an asian chick at the same time, but since it isn't important to his story we'll never hear about it.

[The Switcher]

This is according to the standards and goals of someone from Ken's world. In Ryu's world, the world of a "True Warrior" it is undeniably:

Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken

p.s. Ryu could be banging a hot blond, red-head, and an asian chick at the same time, but since it isn't important to his story we'll never hear about it.

Yeah, but he won't, and never will. Story or no story.

Ken banging Eliza is in the story.

[CptMunta]

This issue was my favorite so far! three of my favorites in the same issue! And even my Favortie Sagat super "tiger RAID!" The pacing of the sagat vs Ryu foght was masterfully written and paced.

The coloring is stupendous! You should have another interview with the colorist or even include a tut. It's best coloring seen in the comic so far.

Looking forward to the next issue!

[DoTheMove]

Yeah, but he won't, and never will. Story or no story.

Ken banging Eliza is in the story.
By your logic 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast could not ever have sex.

I repeat: Ryu could be banging a hot chick and we would never know. Just like Chun-Li could be banging a kangeroo, but we'd never hear about it because it's not important to her main goals.

Having a family and a wife to have sex with is tied with fighting in Ken's priority list. Getting Bison is way more important to Chun-Li so her sex life/dating life isn't mentioned. Does that prove she's never had sex? No.
Does it prove Ryu's never had sex? No.

[TiamatRoar]

I find it unsettling that anyone would actually seriously in any way besides a joking manner gauge the worth of a fighting game character by whether or not they had sex.

[TheLastSaiyan]

"Having a family and a wife to have sex with is tied with fighting in Ken's priority list. Getting Bison is way more important to Chun-Li so her sex life/dating life isn't mentioned. Does that prove she's never had sex? No.
Does it prove Ryu's never had sex? No."

I'd have to disagree with this, I can't speak for Chun-li, But I can definitely speak for Ryu when I say.....no way. Why? Not because it wasn't mentioned or not important to character's bigger goals, but because it just would not be in Ryu's nature to go around doing that sort of thing. In many cases the character's personality is all you need to determine what they would and would not do. In going by what we know of Ryu, his values, morals, and priniciples, he would never be "banging" anyone. It would just go against who he is, and everyone and their momma who knows anything about Ryu knows that it would just be absurd to think Ryu would be doing that. Training and walking the path of the warrior goes above all else for Ryu, and if anything, doing anything in the nature of sex would most likely be a considered a distraction, and hindrance in many ways to Ryu even spiritually. You have to take into account the characters personalities when you say what they would do and wouldn't, not just their goals. We know Ken would do this, because of his personality traits, and being a playboy most of his life. But there's no way Ryu would be out there "banging" chicks......I mean come on, this is RYU. It wouldn't happen.

[DoTheMove]

There is nothing in Ryu's personality that we have observed that says he couldn't have a relationship with a woman. Ryu's friendship with Ken has never in any way hindered his fighting goals. Neither has his friendship with Sakura. If Ryu was out training and he met a woman that understood his goals and accepted them it is completely believable that he could have a short term realationship with that woman. He doesn't need to make a huge commitment and settle down just to have a relationship with a woman.

When I said "banging" a chick I didn't mean it in a demeaning way. I simply meant that it is entirely possible that Ryu could have had relationships in the past. Ryu wouldn't have a meaningless relationship with a woman, but he could have an on again off again relationship with one that had similar interests as his own. Hell having a relationship with a female fighter might help Ryu's goals instead of hindering them.

Chun-Li has never been portrayed as being more open to a relationship than Ryu. In a lot of ways it would probably be harder for her, at least in the past. She was completely obsessed with getting revenge for her father. Ryu devotes his life to fighting. Fighting has never messed with Ryu's other relationships. I fail to see why a romantic one would be different. It may not work out long-term, but it could happen. Ryu couldn't have a romantic relationship with someone like Eliza, but he could possibly have one with someone who is equally devoted to a purpose. It would be different than other relationships, but it happens all the time.

[TheLastSaiyan]

Keep in mind that Ken is his rival and best friend (whom shares similar goals) and Sakura wants to be just like him, this is different because they are his friends and in some way, are on the same path as him. This isn't the same as being romantically involved with someone. Ryu and ken are best friends but there were periods where they would rarely see each other because they are both doing their own thing. Getting involved with a woman seriously, even short-term would cause Ryu to have to invest more personal time into that which I don't think he'd be willing to do considerong he's constantly on the move. It would take some special kind of woman to understand that and put up with that.

As for him having past relationships, I'd say that would be very doubtful for two reasons, One: he's spent the majority of his life since the day he was born totally devoted to studying under Gouken and training at the dojo, yes we know he's ventured out, but only to broaden his horizons as a fighter. I mean he and Ken trained for 10-straight years before Ken even left the dojo and he was there before Ken. Relationships with women would have been the very least thing on his mind, if not non-existent. Two: In the comic, when Ken came with Ryu to pay respects to Gouken, they got on the subject of Eliza and Ryu commented that Ken had a good woman. If you remember, ken asked Ryu had he had his sights set on any women, in which Ryu responded kinda nervously with ".....uh....." indicating he didn't. That's when Ken said "Ryu, Ryu, I guess some things never change!" That definitely tells me Ryu has never had a romantic relationship of any kind with a woman in his life. Just being "friends" possibly, but definitely not romantically. Ken would not have made that comment if he knew Ryu was involved in any past relationships, he made it because he knew Ryu had not changed at all since they were youngsters. It was just not a priority for Ryu.

"It may not work out long-term, but it could happen. Ryu couldn't have a romantic relationship with someone like Eliza, but he could possibly have one with someone who is equally devoted to a purpose. It would be different than other relationships, but it happens all the time."

Okay, I'll give you this, anything is possible. It's just that for Ryu it seems highly unlikely and a lot more likely for Chun-li (after mourning her father's death and before he passed away). I mean, it's more likely for Dhalism to be in a relationship (which we know he is married with a son) than for Ryu. But I guess if Vegeta can have a relationship with a woman.....anything's possible.

[DoTheMove]

Keep in mind that Ken is his rival and best friend (whom shares similar goals) and Sakura wants to be just like him, this is different because they are his friends and in some way, are on the same path as him. What's to keep him from having a relationship with another woman on the same path as him? I never considered that Ryu would have a relationship with an accountant or a 7-11 cashier. Odds are he would have to be involved with a fighter, or someone who specifically deals with fighters.
This isn't the same as being romantically involved with someone. Ryu and ken are best friends but there were periods where they would rarely see each other because they are both doing their own thing. Getting involved with a woman seriously, even short-term would cause Ryu to have to invest more personal time into that which I don't think he'd be willing to do considerong he's constantly on the move. It would take some special kind of woman to understand that and put up with that. Considering Ryu is a special person who gets into extraordinary situations and meets very special women, yes I would agree that any woman he meets is going to have to be special for him to even give them the time of the day. Someone like an Interpol agent out for revenge, a psychic trying to keep him from turning evil, female ninjas, insane schoolgirls, female MI6 operatives, etc. Just about every woman he knows is just as devoted to what they do as he is to fighting. And since every one of the women I just listed has to fight to attain their goals...there you go. The only normal woman he knows is Eliza. The rest are just as obsessed as he is.

As for him having past relationships, I'd say that would be very doubtful for two reasons, One: he's spent the majority of his life since the day he was born totally devoted to studying under Gouken and training at the dojo. Well Gouken had a daughter so Ryu may have had long term exposure to females from a very early age. He also had Ken there to let him know about girlfriends, etc. Two: In the comic, when Ken came with Ryu to pay respects to Gouken, they got on the subject of Eliza and Ryu commented that Ken had a good woman. If you remember, ken asked Ryu had he had his sights set on any women, in which Ryu responded kinda nervously with ".....uh....." indicating he didn't.Ryu probably responded that way because he was focused on avenging Gouken's death and Ken asking about his love life was inappropriate to Ryu. Ryu is also most certainly a more private person than Ken and telling Ken about his relationships would be somewhat difficult for him. Or Ryu could just be plain embarassed. This is also from the comic, which proves NOTHING about the real Ryu. I repeat, we know nothing about how Ryu deals with the opposite sex in the official storyline. It has never been mentioned.
Okay, I'll give you this, anything is possible. It's just that for Ryu it seems highly unlikely and a lot more likely for Chun-li (after mourning her father's death and before he passed away). I mean, it's more likely for Dhalism to be in a relationship (which we know he is married with a son) than for Ryu. Dhalsim has children, of course he's been with a woman. Chun Li has never been shown to be interested in any man, so I'm not sure why she's more likely to be in a realtionship. Chun Li does have a maternal side to her, so i could see her being a good mother. But Chun Li doesn't have any significant opposite sex experience that would make her any more likely than Ryu to have had a relationship.
But I guess if Vegeta can have a relationship with a woman.....anything's possible. Exactly. If Vageta can have a relationship with a woman who belongs to a race he regards as inferior and next to worthless, and is also not a fighter in any way Ryu can most certainly have a relationship with a woman. Heck Vageta is probably more maniacal about fighting than Ryu is. Vageta has no problem slaughtering millions of innocents and allowing himself to be controlled or turned evil, as long as it makes him a better/more powerful fighter.

[TheLastSaiyan]

"Considering Ryu is a special person who gets into extraordinary situations and meets very special women, yes I would agree that any woman he meets is going to have to be special for him to even give them the time of the day. Someone like an Interpol agent out for revenge, a psychic trying to keep him from turning evil, female ninjas, insane schoolgirls, female MI6 operatives, etc. Just about every woman he knows is just as devoted to what they do as he is to fighting. And since every one of the women I just listed has to fight to attain their goals...there you go. The only normal woman he knows is Eliza. The rest are just as obsessed as he is."

This all true, but also remember this is only ONE side that your talking about regarding these women, their situations made them into strong people and strong fighters. But this one aspect of them is not SOLEY who they are, the warrior IS who Ryu is. It's what he does, it's what he loves, and it's what he is, this is all Ryu knows for himself that he is comfortable with. Ryu most likely couldn't even function if this was stripped away from, he'd feel like his soul was taken from him. Could the same be said for these women? I don't know, they are fighters, but I'd really doubt this would be all they want to do 24/7. This is where things would get complicated.

"This is also from the comic, which proves NOTHING about the real Ryu. I repeat, we know nothing about how Ryu deals with the opposite sex in the official storyline. It has never been mentioned."

We'll, I see nothing that distinguishes the comic Ryu from the "real" Ryu as you put it, that IS the real Ryu. I see nothing that indicates otherwise, and if these stories are approved by Capcom as Udon has stated, then yes it does prove SOMETHING. And it's never been mentioned in the game or in the comic except that "...uh..." comment, so I don't see how the Ryu's are any different. However, if it DOES get mentioned in the comic that he has never had been a relationship before (which is most likely what anyone would believe) it wouldn't surprise me one bit and it WOULD be canon because most likey that's how it would be if it were mentioned in the game. And although the game has developed the majority to the story we know and love, it's story is no more canon than the comic, considering all it's loop holes and loads of mysteries the comic is ALL there is to really officially follow. I see no reason not too. If we just stick with the games, there is A LOT that will never be mentioned. Gouken's daughter is a perfect example of this, we cannot even for sure say that she even exists considering that was mentioned ONCE in the entire story and then mysteriously disappears never to be seen or heard from again as if she never was. Plus, not to mention that ONE extremely rare sketch of her, the game doesn't prove too much of anything either except the officially stated obvious things we know that are concrete that have moved the story along. As far I can see Gouken having a daughter is anything but concrete. Udon's story is as faithful as it can possibly be, so that's what I'll follow it's obvious they've done their researched and asked Capcom many questions. There is no way in a blue hell anything about Ryu's relationships would be mentioned in a game, the games have little to limited character development and none for some, this isn't a book. There is no way that type of thing would ever be mentioned in a game for someone like Ryu, so using that doesn't prove much too me. However, the game DID establish Ryu's personality enough at the very LEAST to make a very accurate guess that he has not been in any relationships. But you're right, it hasn't been stated "officially" in either source, so it's not set in stone, but I'd say about 99.5% of anyone and everyone would look at Ryu and say.....nah, no way.

"Dhalsim has children, of course he's been with a woman. Chun Li has never been shown to be interested in any man, so I'm not sure why she's more likely to be in a realtionship. Chun Li does have a maternal side to her, so i could see her being a good mother. But Chun Li doesn't have any significant opposite sex experience that would make her any more likely than Ryu to have had a relationship."

Again her personality tells me she would, Chun-li is a confident woman who is sure of herself in pretty much everyway, she is strong both physically and mentally and takes no BS. This is the type of woman most men would be intimidated by, I see no reason why she would have trouble getting any man she wanted. She also has a more feminine ( as also shown in the games ) side to her than she usually shows and likes to go out and have fun. Infact, sometimes she even portrays a more "child-like" side of herself when she's in a comfortable frame of mind, again showing more of the carefree person she really is outside of work and not greiving over her father. I also agree with you about her maternal side. This has been shown in any medium, the game, the comic, hell even the animated movie, so theres got to be truth here somewhere. Chun-li has shown to have many realms to her personality. Ryu is SO very different from Chun-li, except in dedication towards a goal. He focuses on the fight and nothing but the fight, the only times he really doesn't is when Ken is there to distract him with other stuff. Ken has been his only real door to other possiblities honestly, just because of his influence and overbearing personality. Infact, even THAT point has been shown in the comic , like when Ryu made that joke that caused Sakura to bust a gut laughing (one of my favorite scenes) shows Ken's influence on him, perhaps even Sakura's influence. In a way, that actually helps your point too, which is cool. Another reason why that comic is so great, we have slowly been able to see more doors of Ryu's personality open that he would not normally show, (like his big appetite) and it's very believable. However, that's still not enough to warrant Ryu having had intimate relationships with women, that's a whole new ball game . Though a LOT about Chun-Li's personality says she wouldn't mind make a few guys lucky day and go out on dates. Can we say the same for Ryu? I think not. Again, is it possible? Yes. Is it highly unlikely? Double Yes. But a lot more evidence points to Chun-li being more open to this than Ryu.

[DoTheMove]

This all true, but also remember this is only ONE side that your talking about regarding these women, their situations made them into strong people and strong fighters.
This is the only side of them that Ryu would ever see, so it doesn't really matter that they have other sides to their personality. Ryu would not be able to stick around long enough to have to confront these other aspects.
these stories are approved by Capcom as Udon has stated.
Capcom also approved Street Fighter 2V, Street Fighter Alpha, Generations, and the USA cartoon. The fact that they approve the comic doesn't really mean a whole lot. If the comic was the same as the official story then Sagat should have been able to rip off Dhalsim's arm and lynch him with it. The comic is different. Close, but different. Another example is Bison, who is supposedly more powerful now then he was in the Alpha story. This is also a complete contradiction to the official story in which Bison returns weaker in SF2.
However, the game DID establish Ryu's personality enough at the very LEAST to make a very accurate guess that he has not been in any relationships. But you're right, it hasn't been stated "officially" in either source, so it's not set in stone, but I'd say about 99.5% of anyone and everyone would look at Ryu and say.....nah, no way.
The game offers no hints as to Ryu's relationships whatsoever. You can't make any determination about his relationships from the games at all. I repeat, going by what the games offer 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast have the same regard for the opposite sex that Ryu does, which means it is not adressed and you CAN'T accurately make any estimation about it. All we know from the game is that Ryu loves to fight and meet new challangers. We also know from the games that Ryu tends to become friends with a lot of the fighters he meets. Ken, Sakura, Guy, Chun-Li, Alex, etc. As far as I am aware Ryu's ability to interact with the rest of society (as long as it is in the fighting world) is perfectly normal. He makes friends, likes to meet new people and learn new things, maintains long-term relationships, he's very popular/well known, and even those who hate him (Sagat) admit to having a great amount of respect for him. And even outside of the fighting community he probably does alright for himself. Dudley calls him the last of the Samurai, indicating that Ryu is intelligent, polite, and hardly the "moronic wandering bum" that everyone seems to think he is. None of these traits make me believe that Ryu is incapable of having a relationship with a woman. Again, not a normal relationship, but every relationship is different.
Again her personality tells me she would, Chun-li is a confident woman who is sure of herself in pretty much everyway, she is strong both physically and mentally and takes no BS. Infact, sometimes she even portrays a more "child-like" side of herself when she's in a comfortable frame of mind, again showing more of the carefree person she really is outside of work and not greiving over her father.
Ryu has all these traits as well.
Ryu has shown that he too has a playful side to his personality.
This is the type of woman most men would be intimidated by, I see no reason why she would have trouble getting any man she wanted.
Men being intimidated by Chun-Li is an example of why she would have a hard time with a relationship. This just puts her on equal footing with Ryu's problems. Maybe they should go out.

[TheLastSaiyan]

"This is the only side of them that Ryu would ever see, so it doesn't really matter that they have other sides to their personality. Ryu would not be able to stick around long enough to have to confront these other aspects."

But if he actually cared about these women he would HAVE to confront these other sides when they bring it up. You make it seem like he'd be like "uh yeah, I don't have time for that I gotta go away for a couple of months and train, see ya." He wouldn't be so uncaring towards a woman that means something to him.

"Capcom also approved Street Fighter 2V, Street Fighter Alpha, Generations, and the USA cartoon. The fact that they approve the comic doesn't really mean a whole lot. "

With those movies, it was more like giving the go ahead to do it than actually approving it. Considering how terrible the above movies were you just mentioned, (with the exception of Street Fighter II: The animated movie) it's very doubtful Capcom had anything to do with the actual plot or even proof reading it. With Udon, they are sending capcom the actually scripts to look over and approve, not just a call on the phone to ask if they can make another issue. There is a big difference, it's obvious that Udon is looking for this to be the new definitive source for Street Fighter. Besides the comic , there will never be any other official source anyway.....ever, unless another game is made.

"If the comic was the same as the official story then Sagat should have been able to rip off Dhalsim's arm and lynch him with it. The comic is different. Close, but different. Another example is Bison, who is supposedly more powerful now then he was in the Alpha story. This is also a complete contradiction to the official story in which Bison returns weaker in SF2."

When was it ever stated that Sagat would be able to own Dhalsim like that? 'Cause I sure don't remember anything of the sort, nothings ever said that Sagat would was leagues over someone like Dhalsim. Considering the spiritual and mental level that Dhalsim is on, it's very believable to think that Sagat would have a lot to learn. His strength doesn't mean everything, ( a relatively inexperienced Ryu taught him that ) Dhalsim didn't even USE strength to beat Sagat at all. It was all in the mind.

As for Bison, you somewhat have a point but then again, I'm not so sure. The comic is somewhat of a mesh between Alpha and SF2. The fact that the SF2 tournament hasn't even happened in the comic means that the Psycho drive most likely will get destroyed by the time that tournament rolls around, making Bison significantly weaker. Technically, right now were still in the Alpha realm with some SF2 elements, so there's still a whole lot to do before the big tournament actually rolls around. So in actuality, they've really done nothing wrong.

"The game offers no hints as to Ryu's relationships whatsoever. You can't make any determination about his relationships from the games at all. I repeat, going by what the games offer 9/10 of the Street Fighter cast have the same regard for the opposite sex that Ryu does, which means it is not adressed and you CAN'T accurately make any estimation about it."

I have mixed feelings about that, I agree and disagree with this. I mean for some, it's obvious, like Ken, (stated) Dhalsim (stated), Guile (stated) and for some, you really can make take a good guess. I mean come on, Balrog definitely is a obvious guess, everything about him points to that. Probably Vega, but in a sick and twisted way. So I would say it's more like 4/10, something like that, that's actually not a bad ratio for this type of game. When you think about it, there have been quite a few relationships established in the games. Characters like Sagat, Gen, Sakura may be difficult to pin-point so I'll give you that. I really doubt Bison give a damn about anything like that, I mean power is his woman. Same for Akuma, no way in hell he's involved in any relationships MAYBE, before he became corrupted by the satsu no hadou. But anytime after this, the thought of it is laughable. So actually is not all that hard to pin-point where some these characters stand on this. As for Ryu, the thing is we know he totally follows the way of the warrior, and know he can be a man of few words. Since when did the way of the warrior involve romantic ventures? He wouldn't bother because he wouldn't want anything taking time away from his training, a wandering warrior has no time for that.

"And even outside of the fighting community he probably does alright for himself. Dudley calls him the last of the Samurai, indicating that Ryu is intelligent, polite, and hardly the "moronic wandering bum" that everyone seems to think he is."

Why dudley calls him that is obvious, Ryu truly is one the last of honorable and noble men on the planet, but that stems from his upbringings and what was instilled within him. I never thought of Ryu as being a "moronic wandering bum" someone as enlighted and in-tune with himself as Ryu could hardly be considered moronic. A moron couldn't do that.

[gamespy]

You all do realise that they aren't real people, right?

I mean, yes, you can be fans with imaginations as to what Capcom could have done with their characters as Street Fighter seems to be over in Capcom's eyes but to argue over some of the things here seems kind of odd.