MvsC2: low tier characters

[JS Master]

which low tier characters do u guys think is the best and easiest to learn? they're making low tier tournaments in my area and i'm trying to learn some new characters.

ne help will be appreciated

[Black Cyclone]

depends on what you or the tourney organizers define as "low". Some people see it as "anyone who's not in top tier, like Cable or Sent", but the majority, like myself, think of it as the cream of the crap, like Dan, Roll, Servbot, etc.

Black Cyclone

[ROC]

JS lets go for these guys:

Jill
Marrow
Cammy
Juggs
Capt. America
Hulk
Psylock
Sabertooth
Charlie

Pick one I already have my team.

[Juggrknott]

Hulk isn't particularly easy to use effectively......


.....but well worth the effort. :D

-Jugg

[ROC]

Juggrknott we have to use them its and Ultra low tournament(lower then low teir).

[aquarake]

Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Dhalsim (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323)
Guile (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426)
Jin (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429)
MegaMan (http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=345)
Omega Red (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2185)
Rogue (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=2966)
Ruby Heart (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3282)
Sabretooth Infinite (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1494)
Sakura (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98)
Servbot (Kobun) (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121)
Shuma-Gorath (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=318)
War Machine (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=327)


Frame Killing (1-frame DHC into super) (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2587)
Throw into Assist Combos (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2335)
Unfly Mode Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2615)

Traps (http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=80420#post80420)

Take your pick

[Orochi Pickle]

the best that aquarake mentioned i think is dhalsim but he seems hard to learn, with sabertooth(they go well together),and and anti air someone like cap if he isn't top tier im not sure.

Is really good aaa considered top tier??

if he is a top tier then i would go with war machine after that. he has a decent anti air that can be comboed into sabertooths super or dhalsim and it sets them up for a long air dhalsim combo.

but if you go with war machine i would pic then omega red instead of sabertooth. he is a high low tier and his throw assist can set war machines infinite up like it does for iron man unless their are some diff properties and it doesn't work.

Psylock too is perfect for the infinite. and she isn't too bad on her own especially in low tier tournies.

Jesus loves you all with an everlasting love.:D

-Pickledude-

[ROC]

Dhalsim
Guile
MegaMan
Rogue
War Machine

Those are banned from this gay tournament.

[aquarake]

WHAT?

[BIG BAD MOG]

Mech-Zangief(Ground)/Juggernaut(Dash)/Hulk(Dash). Gief's ground assist to a fully mashed out Head Crush or Gamma Crush=death. Not too many characters w/o good keepaway can stand up to mech-zangief. A simple lariat or c. lk, c. lk to a triple spells out doom.

[Dasrik]

Wolverine!

Wolverine is good because he can stay on a character for a long time. He can punish assists while forcing the point to block. He has lots of mobility with drill claw and stomp kick. And he's Zazariffic.

[WiLD_DaIGo]

where is this in toronto man? i wanna check this out... plz say orbit, plz say orbit... its the only arcade i know how to get to....lol, what?? guile? banned ?? why? could i pick akuma? ryu?

[JS Master]

the tournament is in Orbit yes

[WiLD_DaIGo]

cool, when is it man?

[WiLD_DaIGo]

btw any chance one of you guys was at orbit around 2-3 weeks ago using mags and ruby? that guy was kicking ass

[KaiSing]

Rogue and Dhalsim banned? Try akuma and ken. Learn how to land a dashing c lk and you'll be kicking ass in no time.

[Blind-Side]

use ken hes really good(aaa).

and IM but i dont know if hes top teir.
OR:same
mm:really good
jill:ok
CA:good corner combos
Iceman:chip
guile:1 of teh better lowtiers
SONSON: SHE IS ALSWOME

[JS Master]

thanx for the help, but we're having this ultra low tier tournament, not even iceman, BB hood , juggernaut... is allowed

You must pick either:
Dan
Servbot
Roll

You can also choose from:
Chun-li
Spider-man
Wolverine
Wolverine-bone
Zangief
Shuma gora
Sonson

soo ne ideas on who's good in this list?

[JS Master]

btw the tournament is in orbit at the next Unlimited nights, ususally every 3 weeks... where u pay $15 entree ($10 with coupon) and for 5 hours the games are in unlimited play so we will host this tournament there

[FOBio]

Spiderman is AWESOME on point. he's not as good as magneto or anything, but out of those people, spiderman's the best. he's also a meter builder. i usually never use his hyper combos.

Sonson is really effective also. use her AAA...i think it's her best assist.

servebot with sonson is pretty effective. it's hard to tackle this little guy. and with her AAA, it'll be even harder. her staff literally covers the lil tike when she's jumping (invincibility frames).


i'm not saying use those 3 in a team cuz, well, they all take hits really bad. but those are just some pointers that i've found out.

[Bonesaw]

Marrow beats everyone's ass...one on one...yeahhhhhh!

[FINAL SHOWDOWN]

*psst* js master.......cough hayato cough.....

[ImasterChun_Li]

Chun Li is a good choice, but it takes skills to master her. If you don't feel like learning Chun Li, just jump, stomp and call assist, 2ndump+stomp+assist, 3rdjump+stomp+assist, airdash+stomp+assist etc...etc... pick an assit that cheaps. Right angle jump...etc..etc. Shit, I would realy like to be there and rape them whit Chun li, anyways don't forget to tell us which teams did well, who is the winner and WHAT NEW STUFF ABOUT LOW TIERS PEOPLE USED.

[WiLD_DaIGo]

any chance you got specific dates? and do i have to pay to enter the tournament? do i have to be good? so we can only choose from those 10 people you listed? man thats gonna be fun

[BarrelO]

First of all, could you tell us which characters specifically are banned.

Anyway, I'd recommend BBHood/Jugg/Hulk. Nothing wrong with 100%. Failing that, I'd go with random rushdown char/Guile/Tron. Guile provides the AAA, and Tron adds some punch to your combos.

[ROC]

Originally posted by WiLD_DaIGo
btw any chance one of you guys was at orbit around 2-3 weeks ago using mags and ruby? that guy was kicking ass

HAHAHAA. That was Tech Rock!

Any ways Screw Data and his rules I'm use Bison | Psylock | Akuma(lock that shit down!)

[aquarake]

Brief rundown

Dan - Probably Antiair type is your best bet. I think he has a projectile (DONT PICK THIS) and a variety (throws signitured photos. not TOO bad, may set up for combos i guess)

Servbot - Proj assist (for projectile) or variety assist (for the variety assist exclusive super). Anti-air assist is not recommended

Roll - just... dont... pick... her


Chun-li - In this low tier, she is one of the top rushdowners here. You can use basic things like (neutral)c.HK xx qcf KK, or kikosho to prevent jumpins. Go for either Anti-air assists or expansion type if u have another person to rush with. Expansion hits crouchblocking opponents

Spider-man - Not TOO familiar, so i'll just skip it. Capture type is useful, and antiair is decent. I recommend capture though.

Wolverine - For crazy rushdown, i recommend you pick zaza's double wolverine team. Wolverine, Wolverine-b. I forgot which is which, but one of the wolverines has a "berserker barrage" assist, so rush in and do lp berserker barrage, and time it so the other wolverine assists berserker barrage to cover your lag time.

Wolverine-bone - See above

Zangief - Mecha mode, since you dont have to worry about crazy beams shooting from nowhere or falling icicles covering the entire screen. Ground type sets up for combo, so i recommend ground. His spinning lariat hits 4 (i think) times, keeping them stranded in one small area for the first 3 hits. And since he cant be knocked out, that adds extra UMMPH to his assist
as a point, a simple combo may be Lariat xx FAB, but if you dont know how to use zangief, you might not wanna use him

Shuma gora - dunno him

Sonson - i've seen a gambit/morrigan/sonson team own, but other than recommending you learn her bread and butter combos (anti-air into big stick super i think), not much to say

[Blind-Side]

Originally posted by FINAL SHOWDOWN
*psst* js master.......cough hayato cough.....


hell ya hes alswome

oic sonson sehs got mad combos. and her aaa is real good

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by aquarake
Wolverine - For crazy rushdown, i recommend you pick zaza's double wolverine team. Wolverine, Wolverine-b. I forgot which is which, but one of the wolverines has a "berserker barrage" assist, so rush in and do lp berserker barrage, and time it so the other wolverine assists berserker barrage to cover your lag time. That may work, but that's not what Zaza does. His team is Wolverine/Sentinel/Bonerine, and his pattern is:

run in c.jab -> c.short -> c.forward -> c.rh -> call Sentinel -> BB

jab BB for Wolvie, fierce BB for Bonie (it's a true trap for Bonie).

He rarely uses Berserker barrage assist, he picks alpha Wolvie for the team super (which is a totally safe way to punish assists at 3 levels - and believe me, Wolverine is one of the BEST batteries in the game).

Then there's the Sentinel/Bonerine stomp, but that's ghetto.

[WiLD_DaIGo]

tech rock?? is he a member here? man i gotta get a joystick for the dc, i keep getting used to the dc pad

[redensui]

ORBIT?!
yo, what time and date? is orbit officially hosting this thing or is it something u ugys just planned?
and uh, whats the full list of chars we can pick?

[DeathFromAbove]

Originally posted by JS Master
thanx for the help, but we're having this ultra low tier tournament, not even iceman, BB hood , juggernaut... is allowed

You must pick either:
Dan
Servbot
Roll

You can also choose from:
Chun-li
Spider-man
Wolverine
Wolverine-bone
Zangief
Shuma gora
Sonson

soo ne ideas on who's good in this list?
Zangeif: Any team where you can mech Zangief is gonna give that whole list of characters big headaches, since none of these characters can keep-away.

Wolverines: Everybody here does rushdown, but these two do it the best. Pick a slow projectile assist (sonson projectile and Spiderman projectile are decent) to help your rushdown.

Sonson: Stupid wallrun patterns are gonna frustrate rushdown quite a bit when paired with any projectile assist or with IBZ Lariat.

You might pick Roll for her projectile type assist to help with rushdown. Or you can pick Dan for his damaging combos and super linking. Don't pick Servbot.

-DFA

[redensui]

why not servbot? hes got the better lunch rush, hes difficult to hit, heard he has a fast dash, combos with the best of em

[aquarake]

Originally posted by Dasrik
That may work, but that's not what Zaza does. His team is Wolverine/Sentinel/Bonerine, and his pattern is:

run in c.jab -> c.short -> c.forward -> c.rh -> call Sentinel -> BB

jab BB for Wolvie, fierce BB for Bonie (it's a true trap for Bonie).

He rarely uses Berserker barrage assist, he picks alpha Wolvie for the team super (which is a totally safe way to punish assists at 3 levels - and believe me, Wolverine is one of the BEST batteries in the game).

Then there's the Sentinel/Bonerine stomp, but that's ghetto.
that IS what zaza did. That's what zaza did to me
He had wolvie/wolvie/sentinel, and owned me by his second wolverine without using his sentinel.

[DeathFromAbove]

Originally posted by redensui
why not servbot? hes got the better lunch rush, hes difficult to hit, heard he has a fast dash, combos with the best of em He can't do any damage w/o burning all the meter on the team. Low tier teams work based on DHC. Combos with the best of em?!?:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Joe Zaza]

aquarake: I only do that Wolverine with Wolverine assist shit when my middle man dies or I'm messing around. It's too risky seeing as how I wouldn't be able to cover either assist if they pushblock.

Do what you will, but for pity's sake, don't do that. Projectile assists (or the middle man) do better in that case since they, practically, cover themselves... in other words, whether the opp. pushes or not.

I was also going to say... Roll works. Getting out of traps is the same whether you're Roll or not... only that Roll, unlike everyone else, has an easier time doing so (what with her being so small). I used to think she didn't work, but she does. Her throw (does same damage as most throws, hard to tech and makes em land right next to her) and sweep make her decent... (in other words, she's got wake-up games) and since she has a double jump, she can get in. The only real risk about using her is, like with the other low tiers, she takes bad damage and, like everyone else in the game (including top tier), when your opponent has a lead and runs. She can also do decent damage to punish if you create a good "assist into Hyper Roll" combo, which is also possible.

Don't diss the low tiers. The only time they suck is when sucky people use them. (Not to impugn your skills, there Kenny!) :p Anyways, late!

[Joe Zaza]

Originally posted by DeathFromAbove
Low tier teams work based on DHC.What do you mean?

[aquarake]

Originally posted by Joe Zaza
aquarake: I only do that Wolverine with Wolverine assist shit when my middle man dies or I'm messing around. It's too risky seeing as how I wouldn't be able to cover either assist if they pushblock.

Do what you will, but for pity's sake, don't do that. Projectile assists (or the middle man) do better in that case since they, practically, cover themselves... in other words, whether the opp. pushes or not.

I was also going to say... Roll works. Getting out of traps is the same whether you're Roll or not... only that Roll, unlike everyone else, has an easier time doing so (what with her being so small). I used to think she didn't work, but she does. Her throw (does same damage as most throws, hard to tech and makes em land right next to her) and sweep make her decent... (in other words, she's got wake-up games) and since she has a double jump, she can get in. The only real risk about using her is, like with the other low tiers, she takes bad damage and, like everyone else in the game (including top tier), when your opponent has a lead and runs. She can also do decent damage to punish if you create a good "assist into Hyper Roll" combo, which is also possible.

Don't diss the low tiers. The only time they suck is when sucky people use them. (Not to impugn your skills, there Kenny!) :p Anyways, late!

BAH u. I'm somebody that actually USED roll seriously in MvC1, and i recommend you not use her.

Roll is hella slow. If you need to dash, c.HK. Its probably faster and safer. Double jump is nothing extraordinary. It may get u out of weird situations, but eh. She cant do her beat plane super in the air, she starts out with the rockball weapon.

always, ALWAYS cancel c.HK into qcf p. Qcf p will cancel the lag of the slide, but now u have to worry about the lag of the qcf p :lol:
It's hard to say how to play roll, since she takes damage like a rushdown character only worse, but her jumps are so slow, you would want her as a keepaway, but she has no good keepaway skills. Rockball or tornado hold is good for that. You probably dont ever want to use leaf shield.
Hyper roll = cant combo it alone, u need assist that will keep the opponent close by to hit with the initial hit frames of the hyper roll. Only the thunder does any real damage.
Rush drill = i dont recommend using
Beat plane = THEORETICALLY u can guardbreak with this: fireball, wait, shoot missiles like crazy and then start mashing. The catch is, you need to do it right after the character screams and dies so the lag to start up can pass.

[aquarake]

Originally posted by DeathFromAbove

Don't pick Servbot.
-DFA
i disagree. Servbot will ruin alot of scrub combos because of his size alone. I'm no servbot player, but here's in interesting bit of info
his qcf pp super (on variable assist) chips like mad, but if u have servbot on assist, u might want to try going at putting him at projectile assist. It still chips decently, but the opponent has to be grounded so that may ruin chipping opportunity.
45 degree fire will ruin rushdown.

qcf taunt launches a paper airplane. releasing taunt will explode the plane. Taunt with style.

[FOBio]

Spiderman easily supplies enough meter for servebot. just wanted to add that in.

[DeathFromAbove]

Originally posted by Joe Zaza
What do you mean?
Work better when built on DHCs that kill. 1 hit kills give them a chance at beating anyone. Hard enough to get 3 hits with a low tier team, much less 9. THCs would work too, I suppose.