Austin Guilty Gear: Infoz here

[poonage]

Hi. Austin Guilty Gear is alive and well, but none of us actually visit SRK so I'm sure we often miss out on new players that might have an interest in getting into the game. I'm making this thread (we make one of these here now and then) on the odd chance that someone is interested in taking up the game with the intent of high-level play and does not know where to find competition.

http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250 is our local thread, and where you can find pretty much anything you need to know about the current state of Austin guilty gear. The thread is crazy active, so feel free to make a post in it and we'll get back to you the same day without fail. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to post them, and one or all of us will do our best to get you into the fold and on your way to being some sort of Guilty Gear maniac.


WE NOW HAVE GUILTY GEAR SLASH!

That means this is a new game so it's a good time to start playing! (but you will have to play hard and like a champion to possibly defeat me)

[poonage]

periodic bump

[Tirian]

What's funny is that when I saw the title of this thread, before I even looked inside I thought in my head, "Someone should just post a link to the dustloop forums." I remember passing through the dustloop thread once and being surprised at how active it was, since I never see any austin gg people on srk.

[tsumi]

Im honoureary regardless of what spoony says.

[starboy]

I'm a die hard austin gg player. poon keep your mouth shut -_-

[poonage]

you're a die hard scrub


haha starboy


oh shit kairi

[PozerWolf]

Posting because I <3 Austin, yo!

[tsumi]

posting cause im gay

[starboy]

posting because I too love the gentle touch of a good man...:confused:

[poonage]

bump because im a self-righteous bastard

[Zandwich]

San marcos too OK

[PozerWolf]

No love for Alice? :sad:

[furix]

No love for Alice. :)

How about love for Brownsville?

EDIT: I think I should take down that hideous 5 year old avatar of mine. I only played Eddie in GGX! And GGX IS LONG DEAD! Millia in XX and #R, I should change that avatar for a cute A.B.A one <3

[R0B0T]

No love for Alice. :)

How about love for Brownsville?

EDIT: I think I should take down that hideous 5 year old avatar of mine. I only played Eddie in GGX! And GGX IS LONG DEAD! Millia in XX and #R, I should change that avatar for a cute A.B.A one <3


dude dont play aba, i will instant kill you, i promise.

[PozerWolf]

dude dont play aba, i will instant kill you, i promise.
Yeah, no shit.

BTW: Buri is hawt in Slash, I might start using her. Maybe then I'll actually win a tourny or two, lol.

Also, Zand, why does your location say Austin? >_>

[Tirian]

PozerWolf, you really are switching from Ky now that he's so good? It may be argued that saying he's ABSOLUTE TOPS is maybe wrong, since others seem to be pretty damn good, too, but there is no arguing that he's VERY good, and MUCH better than he has ever been. Why stop now when you have so much more to work with?

[MADDK]

hey yall, i was wonderin if the people that post on dustloop just play guilty gear or do yall play other games too? and im curious as to why people dont just use srk? and are there any other threads or forums for people that play fighters in austin?

[furix]

dude dont play aba, i will instant kill you, i promise.

Do it, I don't care. I enjoy being IKed anyway. :arazz:

[PozerWolf]

PozerWolf, you really are switching from Ky now that he's so good? It may be argued that saying he's ABSOLUTE TOPS is maybe wrong, since others seem to be pretty damn good, too, but there is no arguing that he's VERY good, and MUCH better than he has ever been. Why stop now when you have so much more to work with?
I'm still gonna have Ky... but I'm gonna start using someone else in case Ky fails me.

Seriously, he still sucks, and I don't actually see how he got that much better.
He really didn't get anything badass in return. His new fireball traps are gay, and ACSE... WTF?!

I'd admit, he did improve... but he still isn't good.

[starboy]

Does steins have slash yet???

[Kamui]

Steins installed Slash today n00bs.

Ky is retarded. I'm never playing another character again. Slash Stun Edge x 50.

[Tirian]

I'm still gonna have Ky... but I'm gonna start using someone else in case Ky fails me.

Seriously, he still sucks, and I don't actually see how he got that much better.
He really didn't get anything badass in return. His new fireball traps are gay, and ACSE... WTF?!

I'd admit, he did improve... but he still isn't good.


If you think he sucks, then I think you really need to play the game more. When I first started playing Slash, I kept thinking, "Well, he seems the same, except for a few moves. How can he really be that good?" However, as I kept playing, I started noticing that he just seemed to do everything he used to a lot better than he used to, and combined with the fact that a lot of people were toned down, I really started to notice that Ky was one the better characters in the game.

To address the specific question of WHY, Fubarduck said that Arcadia magazine actually wrote an article to explain why Ky is considered so good now. From what he said, the article listed three reasons why. I don't remember the order, and it's going to be in my own words, but this is what he said:

1) He has multiple, and GOOD, anti-airs. He has the standard forward punch, and the uppercut, but he also has down hardslash, which can be comboed off of for really good damage since it's jump cancellable. He also has jump kick, which is a pretty good air-to-air.

2) He is faster now. I don't know all the specifics, but the startup on his run is faster, and in general Ky is a faster character now.

3) He has great range. This has always been pretty true, but standing slash, crouching slash, standing heavy slash, sweep, etc, all have great range.


I don't remember everything, but that's the gist of what I remember. Maybe if you ask him, he'll explain it better.

Still, basically, if you add it all together: A character with good anti-airs, he's faster, has good range, and I'll add in that he can do a VERY good job of pressure and/or zoning with his 6 different projectiles now, what do you end up with? You have a character that does an excellent job of CONTROLLING SPACE, and that can either soundly pressure you or just sit and turtle if he wants.

Oh, and I'll add that a lot of people felt that his throw mixups were one of the best things that he had, and with the blue cancel on the throw now, it makes that aspect of his game a bit better and more worth it.

I think it is true that other characters got toned down, which makes his improvements even more evident.

Is he really "S" class? I don't know, and honestly, I think a lot of tier lists are screwed up and constantly changing, anyways. All I know is that, if you play the game for any length of time, you'll definitely see that Ky is MUCH better, and definitely one of the better characters in the game.

[PozerWolf]

1) He has multiple, and GOOD, anti-airs. He has the standard forward punch, and the uppercut, but he also has down hardslash, which can be comboed off of for really good damage since it's jump cancellable. He also has jump kick, which is a pretty good air-to-air.
Yeah, but he had this kind of stuff before.
Only thing that makes his jump kick better is that everyone else's j.K got worse.


2) He is faster now. I don't know all the specifics, but the startup on his run is faster, and in general Ky is a faster character now.
His grab game has somewhat improved due to his speed....... but thats about it...


3) He has great range. This has always been pretty true, but standing slash, crouching slash, standing heavy slash, sweep, etc, all have great range.
He is usually out poked by anyone no matter what range.
He still has trouble against Venom.

Ky has gotten better, but is still crap.
Even one of the guys who reviewed the characters said that Ky was good at first (due to his fireballs and the fact that he got the least tone downs), is now saying that Ky is crap (which was Ogawa). There is a reason why he went from Eddie, to Ky, and back to Eddie, and it was because Ky is still crap.

And like I said before, his stun edge traps are in fact escapable (which is why you see less people doing them now).

[Tirian]

Well, I think it's harsh to call him crap. I think he's really good, and I honestly think he's one of the better characters in the game, but I guess it doesn't really matter to discuss stuff like this online. Everyone will, and should, play the game for themselves, find the character they like and that they think they can do well with, and play them.

Yay, Austin finally got Slash. Hope you guys have fun with it!

[marn]

Hsienn!!!!! Give Me A Ride To E's!!!! I Dont Have Aim So I Cant Ask J00

[Zandwich]

Steins installed Slash today n00bs.

Ky is retarded. I'm never playing another character again. Slash Stun Edge x 50.

damnit now i can't pick sol and jump around with airdust until i get a CH

r.i.p. xx :annoy: :lol: :rofl: :wink: :rolleyes:

[Kamui]

Yeah, but he had this kind of stuff before.
He is usually out poked by anyone no matter what range.
He still has trouble against Venom.

Ky has gotten better, but is still crap.
Even one of the guys who reviewed the characters said that Ky was good at first (due to his fireballs and the fact that he got the least tone downs), is now saying that Ky is crap (which was Ogawa). There is a reason why he went from Eddie, to Ky, and back to Eddie, and it was because Ky is still crap.


Ky gets out poked by very few characters, even in reload. Mid Range has always been his strong point. The only characters that give him any overwhelming trouble at that distance are Eddie and Venom.

Ky's improved slash Stun Edge alone makes his mid range game 1231421341 times better then it was in #reload, and it was already ok before. The recovery is almost Super Turbo good, so much that it can be used in similar manners to bait jumps for practically free. I'm not even refering to his corner BS, the opposing player has to specifically look for the projectile just to react to and punish a slash Stun Edge with a jump. Late attempts to jump over it can usually be blocked or Vapor Thrusted. Any instance when they're scared and simply looking for stun edge's lets you bait jumps practically for free or simply dash your way into close range.

Additionally, projectiles at mid range rarely get white blocked for variety of reasons, so any blocked Stun Edge can be followed up in a variety of ways for really basic and really affective attack patterns. Ky has complete control over his opponent every time they react to a slash Stun Edge badly, and reacting to it badly is largely what people are going to do. It's far too risky to jump at Ky now because of the 124214124 different anti airs he has now (You're down playing how good crouching HS is now, It's probably one of the most versitle anti air maneuvers in the game at the moment), and if they just sit there and block, you're giving Ky the key to walk all over you.

Tiers change, and I imagine Ky won't be in his own rank for much longer. However, saying he's crap is completely absurd at this point. It's too early to make any extreme judgements, and every sign laid out in front of you is saying the exact opposite of what you believe.

[PozerWolf]

Ky gets out poked by very few characters, even in reload. Mid Range has always been his strong point. The only characters that give him any overwhelming trouble at that distance are Eddie and Venom.

Ky's improved slash Stun Edge alone makes his mid range game 1231421341 times better then it was in #reload, and it was already ok before. The recovery is almost Super Turbo good, so much that it can be used in similar manners to bait jumps for practically free. I'm not even refering to his corner BS, the opposing player has to specifically look for the projectile just to react to and punish a slash Stun Edge with a jump. Late attempts to jump over it can usually be blocked or Vapor Thrusted. Any instance when they're scared and simply looking for stun edge's lets you bait jumps practically for free or simply dash your way into close range.

Additionally, projectiles at mid range rarely get white blocked for variety of reasons, so any blocked Stun Edge can be followed up in a variety of ways for really basic and really affective attack patterns. Ky has complete control over his opponent every time they react to a slash Stun Edge badly, and reacting to it badly is largely what people are going to do. It's far too risky to jump at Ky now because of the 124214124 different anti airs he has now (You're down playing how good crouching HS is now, It's probably one of the most versitle anti air maneuvers in the game at the moment), and if they just sit there and block, you're giving Ky the key to walk all over you.

Tiers change, and I imagine Ky won't be in his own rank for much longer. However, saying he's crap is completely absurd at this point. It's too early to make any extreme judgements, and every sign laid out in front of you is saying the exact opposite of what you believe.
WTF... erm... sorry to sound like a dick but I don't think you understand what your talking about.

For one, Ky always had a bunch of anti-air options. The only thing different in slash is that his options have somewhat improved (acutally, I'm not even sure if they have improved outside of 2HS). And Ky's Stun Edge game didn't get "1231421341 times better" compare to #R. Even his slow stun edge is punishable.

And in #R, he could have all the range he wants, he still gets out poked by anything. His pokes lack so much prioty, anything beats so easily. And in Slash, he still has this problem.


Ky has gotten better, but he still isn't very good.
And your making the exact same "extreme judgements" as I am.

[Kamui]

WTF... erm... sorry to sound like a dick but I don't think you understand what your talking about.

For one, Ky always had a bunch of anti-air options. The only thing different in slash is that his options have somewhat improved (acutally, I'm not even sure if they have improved outside of 2HS). And Ky's Stun Edge game didn't get "1231421341 times better" compare to #R. Even his slow stun edge is punishable.

And in #R, he could have all the range he wants, he still gets out poked by anything. His pokes lack so much prioty, anything beats so easily. And in Slash, he still has this problem.


Ky has gotten better, but he still isn't very good.
And your making the exact same "extreme judgements" as I am.

I don't think arguments based off of "it's too early to tell" are that extreme.

Your reply isn't even much of an argument btw. Saying "Slow Stun Edge is punishable" is only stating the obvious in an attempt to sound intelligent. Of course it is, but it's practically a blind guess from mid range or closer.

Additionally, I'm not sure how you're losing at mid range. Stun Edge's beat 70% of the better pokes in the game in anticipation of an attack (And hey, it's better and safer now). Standing Slash can be hit well before most characters are even in range for an attack. Ky can bait and punish whiffs better then most characters can using FD-->Backdash, standing Slash-->Stun Dipper. Early crouching Dust beats a large majority of the low attacks players dash in with and can even be verified into a Sacred Edge if you're sitting on meter. It doesn't make sense, how are you losing at this distance?

[Tirian]

Ogawa IS an Eddie player. Maybe he just wasn't cut out to play Ky? Additionally, Japanese opinions, which are often just a step ahead of ours, are good as a REFERENCE, but are properly used as something we take into consideration as we play the game and make our OWN judgments.

I agree with Adam on the fact that Ky's midrange has always been one of his strengths. I really don't see how most characters would be outpoking standing slash if you're doing it at the right distance. His slash stun edge is really fast now, and the recovery on it is also really fast. If someone is punishing the slash stun edge from mid-close range, then you're either being way too predictable with it or they are psychic.

And I don't think we're making extreme judgments when we're both allowing for the fact that the tiers may be open and changing, but that, based on our personal experience, we find that Ky is noticeably one of the better characters in the game.

[PozerWolf]

I don't think arguments based off of "it's too early to tell" are that extreme.

Your reply isn't even much of an argument btw. Saying "Slow Stun Edge is punishable" is only stating the obvious in an attempt to sound intelligent. Of course it is, but it's practically a blind guess from mid range or closer.

Additionally, I'm not sure how you're losing at mid range. Stun Edge's beat 70% of the better pokes in the game in anticipation of an attack (And hey, it's better and safer now). Standing Slash can be hit well before most characters are even in range for an attack. Ky can bait and punish whiffs better then most characters can using FD-->Backdash, standing Slash-->Stun Dipper. Early crouching Dust beats a large majority of the low attacks players dash in with and can even be verified into a Sacred Edge if you're sitting on meter. It doesn't make sense, how are you losing at this distance?
How the hell do you see Ky's poking game, good?:confused:

Play a venom player, then we can talk.

Not to mention, stun edge is crap.
Better in Slash, but still crap.

Ogawa IS an Eddie player. Maybe he just wasn't cut out to play Ky? Additionally, Japanese opinions, which are often just a step ahead of ours, are good as a REFERENCE, but are properly used as something we take into consideration as we play the game and make our OWN judgments.
Actually, theres been a talk about ky's main game.
A lot of people are bitching about how shitty he is now ;(


And I don't think we're making extreme judgments when we're both allowing for the fact that the tiers may be open and changing, but that, based on our personal experience, we find that Ky is noticeably one of the better characters in the game.
This is still too early to judge that as well.
As said before, he has gotten better, but is still no where near top tier.
He still yet to win, any type of tourny. Not to mention the many people who went into SBO as Ky have lost (and now there are only so many left).

[marn]

Pozerwolf, stop fucking talking when you don't even have the fucking game and you've played it what... ONE DAY at TS6? Are you just reading what finalshowdown says or or following what that idiot with the forrest avatar says OR you can somehow read some japanese blogs and are just resaying what they have to say, cause im pretty sure you CANT read japanese!? Adam however, has played it and is the BEST KY IN THE NATION (<33).. Shut it.

EDIT: And I'm pretty sure most of the US right now can't handle HOS... Even though he's BOTTOM 3 WITH ROBOKY/ZAPPA (fubar told me this..) .... Me and CrimsonD were rackin up hella wins with him at E's, I'm pretty sure Crimson's HOS would murder you for free and half of the US (but mine would own all the US... HEHE J/K J/K!!) but HOS = cheap in US, OMG WHAT DO WE DO?!? WHAATT! So, stick with US opinions, don't listen to the japs. US sucks, so we have our own tiers. :<
And who are these people who say Ky sucks btw? I wanna know.

[kara_parry]

hey marn teach me ky. ill be the best ky in tx.

-chrisdat

[marn]

2 Weeeks mr. DAT! You'll be the best Ky in the UNIVERSE!

[kara_parry]

2 Weeeks mr. DAT! You'll be the best Ky in the UNIVERSE!

yessss

[marn]

get on aim screwface! or aim me asap THATGUYMARN

[PozerWolf]

Pozerwolf, stop fucking talking when you don't even have the fucking game and you've played it what... ONE DAY at TS6? Are you just reading what finalshowdown says or or following what that idiot with the forrest avatar says OR you can somehow read some japanese blogs and are just resaying what they have to say, cause im pretty sure you CANT read japanese!? Adam however, has played it and is the BEST KY IN THE NATION (<33).. Shut it.
Like others, I hear them as I go.
Also, is Adam the best PLAYER or the best KY PLAYER. There is in fact a differences.

[Kamui]

Another strong argument that isn't actually an argument at all.

We're done here.


How the hell do you see Ky's poking game, good?:confused:

Play a venom player, then we can talk.

Not to mention, stun edge is crap.
Better in Slash, but still crap.
.

[marn]

adam deats, get on aim scrub,

[asianhitler]

Adam, why are you the only person to write a comment BEFORE the post?! Gimme your aim name! Best Ky...in the world!

marn: You're a scrub. That is all. =P

I'm gonna back up Ky being good and add one other thing to whats been said. His j. k is hella quick and seems to beat alot of things in the air. He's too solid to be crap.

[furix]

But is Ky really S rank as many people like to say?

PS: I really should change that avatar.

[marn]

david, GET BACK TO WORK!!! THIS IS AUSTIN GG! NOT HOUSTON! =o

[fubarduck]

This goes back to a previous argument . . . I believe the game was Hokuto no Ken, in a Dustloop forums thread.

Someone asked, "How can the tier list Arcadia released possibly be accurate? The game hasn't even been out for a week!"

And here is the answer to that question, again.

Arcadia magazine has Japanese top players working for them. They go to the location tests, and sometimes beta test for the game. These are people who have been playing fighting games for ages, and have all won several tournaments in their game of expertise.

Now, let's look at the Guilty Gear Slash tier list, which was released in December, almost two months after the game was released on Japanese arcade.

S Class:
Ky

A Class:
Sol, Faust, Testament, Potemkin, Anji

B Class:
A.B.A., Millia, Chipp, Jam, Baiken, Johnny, Axl, Slayer, Ino

C Class:
May, Eddie, Venom, Bridget

D Class:
Holy Order Sol, Dizzy, Zappa, Robo Ky


Pretty much every top Guilty Gear player in Japan has written articles and contributed to the tier listings for Arcadia. This means that these opinions are based on the people who play in the match videos that PozerWolf watches on his PC all day while he wonders when he will ever make Top 3 in a tournament :rofl:

Even though this was written in December, the tiers have not changed much. I didn't keep up with Arcadia's tier list for Slash after this (since I wasn't playing the game) but I believe Chipp and maybe A.B.A. went up a bit and that's about it. Yes, tier lists are opinion based, but they're based on people who play the game at top levels in the shortest possible amount of time.

If you don't want to "believe" in tier-lists, that's fine too. If you think Ky sucks, don't use him, but we'll all be busy winning tournaments while you are blaming the joystick for losing to that guy who raped you with Ky :looney:

You should play with whatever character you want, and remember that tier lists assume that two players know the matchup well and are playing at a high level. You can always outplay better characters with weaker ones, and no matter what the character, the better player will probably win, anyway.

And that is the last post I will ever write about tiers =P In America, tiers are just another scapegoat for why they should or shouldn't do XX. In Japan, they're used to acquire a deeper understanding for the game so that you can win with whoever you are focusing on.

So, if you believe Zappa and Holy Order Sol are the best characters, more power to you. If you really believed that though, you would have much more trouble understanding why you are losing.

[starboy]

Anyway, back on topic to "AUSTIN guilty gear":
Can someone please tell josh to get a new actuator on the 1p stick on slash. I really want to play alot this weekend, but I won't play on the 1p stick because it's sooooo bad. Oh yeah, to everyone that plays 3s, i'm going to set a date for a ranbat this weekend at steins most likely tomorrow. Lemme me a time you think is best for a ranbat, it's looking like it's going to be on suday around 2-3pm. Double elim., single game. 5 dollar entry, winner take all at the end of the series.

[PozerWolf]

Pretty much every top Guilty Gear player in Japan has written articles and contributed to the tier listings for Arcadia. This means that these opinions are based on the people who play in the match videos that PozerWolf watches on his PC all day while he wonders when he will ever make Top 3 in a tournament :rofl:
I don't really watch many matches on my PC (its kind of rare when I actually do see a Ky play unless a friend sent it to me thru AIM), and I don't think I'll ever make top 3 anytime soon, nor have I ever been beaten by a Ky player (only at one tournament which was in Dallas), and I never blame my stick for my lose.... so I have no idea where your basing this on.

Unless you were just making stuff up to make me sound bad, or maybe these things were not pointed against me. I dunno, I'm confused now =/


By the time I hit Austin again, Slash will be out on console.
Hopefully no one has shit to do early May.

[fubarduck]

durr I've never lost to a Ky in Slash which I have not been playing.

Sorry I confused you, I'll write it so that you can understand more easily:

Japanese Top Players = Good; win tournaments

PozerWolf = Anime scrub; loses tournaments

Japanese Top Player's Opinion > PozerWolf's opinion

I hope you learn something when me, poon, kjunk, etc. take turns fucking you up at Slash. Maybe after you lose enough you will start to listen and stop pretending that you know anything about a game you have not even been playing.

Recap:
Arcadia Magazine posts tiers with solid opinions and specific reasons
Pozerwolf posts on SRK about "what people are saying" and "what he thinks"

[marn]

...Sorry biatch, but me and poon fucking owned you in Ky mirror matches. I believe you won once. YEP THAT'S RIGHT! KY's BEST MAN TOURNAMENT WENT LIKE THIS FOR ABOUT 2 HOURS! Poon > Me > You.

Starboy, the Jacob? guy or whoever works at E's and plays the random dude on SCIII at E's told me they had a joystick for Slash ready, but Josh is too lazy to put them in! WHAT THE FUCK!? We should go on strike and not play Slash until that shit is FIXED.

fubarduck, when are you going to E's again! I need more (SECRET CHARACTER THAT IS NOT TO BE MENTIONED ONLINE) setups!

[PozerWolf]

Sorry fubar, you're right. I'm a fucking moron. I'll quit posting until I know what I'm talking about.

And if I am mad that everyone thinks Ky is godly, I should get over it and learn a different game.

[marn]

Dude... He was being sarcastic... Did you NOT the see the smiley face at the end of the sentence? And that's like... Future tense... "We'll all be winning tournaments...."

[starboy]

Let's hold 3s AND slash tourney sunday! do it do it do it!

[PozerWolf]

Dude... He was being sarcastic... Did you NOT the see the smiley face at the end of the sentence? And that's like... Future tense... "We'll all be winning tournaments...."
The Internet ;(

[marn]

We need someone to trust with the money, cause I sure as hell aint gonna fucking let starboy hold my money. It'll be gone before the 2nd ranbat!!!

Sunday at 2pm seems like a good time! Say 11am instead, so all the late people will actually show up on time!!

Slash tourneeeeeeeey! =o!!!
Slash ranbats?!

EDIT: You still shoulda read the future tense part... Meaning you'll still be losing. And you'll be like OMG WHY DID KY JUST OWN ME FOR FREE?!

[fubarduck]

Sorry fubar, you're right. I'm a fucking moron. I'll quit posting until I know what I'm talking about.

And if I am mad that everyone thinks Ky is godly, I should get over it and learn a different game.
Wow, you finally realized it d00d! I can't believe it took you so long :confused:

Seeya in May for some Slash games! We'll all try to help you get better since you stopped spouting nonsense.

[marn]

o_o;.

[PozerWolf]

Wow, you finally realized it d00d! I can't believe it took you so long :confused:

Seeya in May for some Slash games! We'll all try to help you get better since you stopped spouting nonsense.
Errrm.... what the fuck nothing really happened (aside from you editing my post).
I still find Ky crap, lol =p

EDIT: Actually, nothing did happen, I just realized I repeated myself from all this crap =/

[Tirian]

What I've come to realize in terms of tier lists is that, although coming from a very reliable and trustworthy source like arcadia, they don't mean much unless you've really played and grown to understand the game.

That's why I say that tier lists and Japanese opinions are best applied as suggestions that are taken in light of personal experience, because without the personal knowledge and experience with which to take those opinions into consideration, you're more then likely only going to have a vaguely theoretical understanding of why such a conclusion was reached. Tier lists aren't a bad place to start, but unless you've played the game enough to understand the ins and outs, I doubt even the most informed tier list is that meaningful to you.

It's the same with match vids. Unless you really understand the game well enough to understand why what the players are doing is good or bad, then you can watch all the match vids on the internet and it still won't do you any good.

I guess what I'm saying is that watching match vids won't make someone good, and neither will picking a top tier character. I think you have to be relatively good and sufficiently knowledgeable for any of those things to make a real difference to you. And by THAT point, you probably don't need the help as much as you think. You can probably figure most of it out on your own, given enough time.

Umm, alright, I'll stop talking about that, I swear.

You Austinites should definitely have tournaments. You have some good comp, and it'd be probably good to keep people in practice.

[furix]

Hopefully I can hit austin sometime in summer(when I am free from school!) To have some matches over there. Would any of you be interested in letting me crash at your house or something?

EDIT: I finally changed that avatar! Hooray for me!

[PozerWolf]

*snip*
In short: only time will tell.
OK ITS DONE!

Someone tell Jeff to stay in Austin on May, goddamnitt.

[starboy]

Bump cuz austin>*.

[fubarduck]

yep, austin ownz.

[Vigorous]

I'll be in town April 20 - 22. Hook it up with some games Friday night!

[Kamui]

8=======D~~~~~~


I'll be in town April 20 - 22. Hook it up with some games Friday night!

[marn]

A.B.A is scarrryy!!!!!

[tsumi]

You Must Smell Awfull

[marn]

You Must Smell Awfull

who are you how do you knowww

[tsumi]

You Must Smell Awfull


qft

[yoooooon]

what's guilty gear?

[CrimsonDisaster]

Posting because I am in Austin and I play Guilty Gear and I also have an SRK account that I don't use much.

Arguments about Ky are stupid. Whether or not you think his pokes or fireballs or whatever are good, you still need to find a way to beat them.
On the bright side, the abundance of decent/good Ky players at E's has helped me rethink and revise my offense with HOS. Lots of new baits and tricks and pressure things in the works. Too much experimenting to do, can't wait for the console version and training mode ;(

I'm kinda excited about how the Slash scene is developing in Austin, yeah there are tons of random scrubs but there are enough people who could get pretty decent or even really good to keep the scene improving.
What I'm worried about is that a lot of people seem to have stopped experimenting with things and are just sticking to whatever strats and stuff they figured out in the first week =/ Adjusting combos and spamming new moves isn't enough experimentation, people! I'll be the first to admit that doing Jackhound or Chipp's D teleport or whatever is fun and all but people need to buckle down and think out how they're playing matchups more. I'm getting a lot of relatively free wins just because I've thought through how to beat one or two setups/strings/moves they use and that's been enough because lots of people haven't been changing their setups/strings/moves in response. I'm not even that good, guys.

Console version should definitely help. Can't wait to see how the scene evolves and I would hate to see it stagnate so early.

Things that I think need to happen:
-MORE CHARACTERS. It's all well and dandy that I am feeling more and more comfortable fighting Ky and Axl but there's like 20 more characters to play. When the console version hits I really hope some people discover that Ky/Axl/Chipp is cool and all but they really like playing I-No or Millia or whoever, and then actually get good with said characters.
-MORE EXPERIMENTATION. Something that is racking up wins right now might not work out too well even by next week. Fact is, if people don't start thinking through some stuff soon, in another week or two I could probably steamroll over most people at E's without thinking, and that's including several people on this board. And it will have nothing to do with skill or mindgames or anything, just me having spent the time to think out how to beat the stuff that was done on like day 1 that is STILL being done with little growth. I'm already having to think less and less about how to beat people and I more or less just run through flowcharts to deal with most of you, to be honest. All of my thinking happens outside of the game now, MAKE ME THINK WHILE I PLAY.
-it'd be nice if people understood that while Slash is a fighting game and 3S is a fighting game, you cannot play the two without any adaptation to one or the other and expect to win. Nor should people expect the two games to be so similar. If you don't like how something in Slash works because it's not how it works in 3S, play 3S instead, and vice versa. One really telling thing is that a lot of 3S players are getting airthrown all over the place by dedicated GG players, not even off setups or anything. I'm a jerk and I just try to airthrow all the time, but that doesn't mean I should succeed. Slash is not 3S and requires thinking about the aspects that aren't in 3S. Teching, bursting, everybody having airthrows, FD/IB, etc. etc. Y'all could be so good if you took the time to learn.

[kenmastersX]

I'm not even that good, guys.

OH SNAP, I THINK HE'S TALKING TRASH.

[Zandwich]

kenmastersX is a turd

[PozerWolf]

i lol'd

[CrimsonDisaster]

OH SNAP, I THINK HE'S TALKING TRASH.
This is SRK, everything is trash talk.

Also since I think I suck so bad, I'm challenging myself to a money match.

[marn]

Yeah guys, Jeff is pretty bad, when I lose to him, I think to myself, ...how. =(.

But.. A.B.A is SCARY!! <3

[K Balch]

Come vote for slash at evo if you havent already.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112008

Is poon in here?

[selfscience]

yo what up everyone. i was about to post the same as k balch...

Vote on if you want slash or reload at evo. Looks like srk staff is already leaning towards reload.

[furix]

Why would they lean towards reload? Personally I wouldn't like to go to Evo to play #R. Pretty much everyone already quit #R now that Slash is out.

[tsumi]

can we play slash..yes

no wait how to say we can yes be playing

right is correct yes

[CrimsonDisaster]

Is poon in here?
Poon's job has him in Louisiana for another week or so then he will be back!

[kenmastersX]

Poon's job has him in Louisiana for another week or so then he will be back!

wtf why did no one tell me? I could've hunted him down no matter how far he was, because GG in Louisiana is lonely. :(

[CrimsonDisaster]

Should have read the Austin thread on DL =O

Actually I guess we figured poon would try to contact you if he actually had time for games? Who knows. It is a mystery.

[the_dannobot]

Are there any arcades in Austin that have Guilty Gear machines? I usually go to Dave & Busters or Main Event, but they don't have much in the way of fighting games at those places.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Einstein's Arcade on Guadalupe.

[poonage]

HELLO AUSTIN!

The smacktalk was very fun but what would also be fun would be to get more people into the scene so PLEASE! If you are interested in guilty gear and live near Austin you should start contacting us and playing with us instead of showing up to the arcade once a week and spamming greed severs because getting better takes effort and determination like the US army!

[PozerWolf]

I was a bit worried about this... but...

Ever since Terrel left Austin, its been really hard for me to even get games going on in Austin. Sure, you guys have things to do, but even in worse sisuations, I was able to get some games going with Terrel and other people.

I've had at least 4 sessions with him, and only one of them came out to where no one was busy. But those other 3 times, I still had some good sessions.

I'm already heading up for a second session (counting the ones not including Terrel) next week and it looks like everyone is gonna be too busy, once again.

When exactly will be a good time to actually go up to Austin and play some GG Slash?

[Titan44]

You're just a poor Mexican. Nobody loves you.

[kenmastersX]

You're just a poor Mexican. Nobody loves you.

How long is the navy holding you captive to hot mansecks? Is it possible to come to Evo at all? :(

[PozerWolf]

You're just a poor Mexican. Nobody loves you.
Seems like it:crybaby:

[Titan44]

How long is the navy holding you captive to hot mansecks? Is it possible to come to Evo at all? :(
I'd give my chances of going to Evo a nothappening/10. But who knows, something miraculous could happen to change that.

[kenmastersX]

I'd give my chances of going to Evo a nothappening/10. But who knows, something miraculous could happen to change that.

It's okay, I'll place in tournaments in your place. <3

[tsumi]

I'd give my chances of going to Evo a nothappening/10. But who knows, something miraculous could happen to change that.


Ohh titan aren't you the one who challenged me to a money match at evo and now your not going?

[Titan44]

Who are you, and why would I challenge you to a money match?

And even if the government didn't have me on lockdown for like the next 4-5 months, 3v3s + me with no team = not much reason to go. That, and the fact that I'd probably suck since there's no real comp for GG here in SC.

[tsumi]

Kairi...blah i probably can't go anyways.

But if I do go it'll be a shame not to take that free money from you....agaga3wc3

[Titan44]

Oh, it's you. Well yeah, it sux that I can't go, because regardless of how bad I might be right now, I have no doubt in my mind that I could still rape any European GG player 4 freez :wgrin:

[tsumi]

But im not european its just my location....don't associate me with those scrubs, there real bad

[PozerWolf]

Suckas need to know that Austin is still around!

[CrimsonDisaster]

Suckas need to know that Austin is still around!
what is austin can i eat it

Another PZ regional coming up in like 3 weeks, any Austin or honorary Austin GG peeps gonna show?

lol posting this on SRK to pretend like we use this forum or something!

[PozerWolf]

what is austin can i eat it
Shu'd up, you gundam name!