Ultimate Fighter Season 3 thread

[BEWD]

Anyone watching this? The previews on with a preview coming next. The first elimination is in progress.(I'm thinking Shamrock's guy might win, not sure yet)

What do you guys think of the season so far?

I was taken aback when the guy with the speech impediment was there, he could possibly be a beast in the octagon.

I'm waiting for some Tito/Shamrock action, that stuff's bound to explode soon.

Everyone's gonna fight before the semi-finals as well, along with some other new stuff, the game's really changed.

EDIT:

Damn Tito's dude got peaced the fuck out

[Krimzon Khaoz]

what's up with ken's bodybuilding coach?

[Nando]

I hate both of these peice of shit men.
but I'd love to have thier nak acounts.

[BEWD]

what's up with ken's bodybuilding coach?

Maintaining one's body is just as important as training techniques, if not more so. It's one of Ken's approaches to teaching, just give it some time and see how this turns out, they're already one win ahead, so don't rule him out yet.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Anyone watching this? The previews on with a preview coming next. The first elimination is in progress.(I'm thinking Shamrock's guy might win, not sure yet)

What do you guys think of the season so far?

I was taken aback when the guy with the speech impediment was there, he could possibly be a beast in the octagon.

I'm waiting for some Tito/Shamrock action, that stuff's bound to explode soon.

Everyone's gonna fight before the semi-finals as well, along with some other new stuff, the game's really changed.

EDIT:

Damn Tito's dude got peaced the fuck out

are you fucking stupid? the guy's deaf.

It seems like tito was just picking guys that had heart and good work ethic. The cry baby red head dude said it best....this is mma, not boxing. And that guy had a jiu jitsu clinic ran on him. He looked like a fish out of water.

This season looks like it could be interesting, hopefully they have some talent this year. Man, the UFN was pretty brutal....they had two decent fights jardin/bonnar and steveson/neer. How the fuck do you have 12 wins....all by decision...who does rasheed think he is...matt linland.

[Mr. Bastos]

Hmm, I completely missed last season(was it any good), but I loved the first one. And this season actually airs on my day off so thats cool. Looks like the new season is gonna be good, I thought it was funny that Ken had them doing some shit right outta world's strongest man but instead of stones they're lifting sandbags. LOL

[blood_sin]

Maintaining one's body is just as important as training techniques, if not more so. It's one of Ken's approaches to teaching, just give it some time and see how this turns out, they're already one win ahead, so don't rule him out yet.

They should have gotten a real nutritionist. It's like that one guy said, they're not training to be bodybuilders, they're fighters. He told them to eat steak for goodness sake.

So what if they're one win ahead, it was because of all that bodybuilder's good advice?

[QuEsTsHun]

I'd knock out ANYBODY in this thread........

Pussys

[Hokuto no Jeffro]

I'd knock out ANYBODY in this thread........

Pussys

Nobody likes a troll.

Anyways, this season looks alright. I doubt it will match the awesome-ness of season 2. Luke Cummo is a beast.

[JamMasterJom]

i think matt is going to become a star for some reason

i feel shamrock's approach to coaching might not be as effective as tito's, it seemed to me like they werent as into it as tito's team.

[QuEsTsHun]

It's all about my guy with the Red hair on his face........proof of blood shed bitches !! !! !! !!

Guaranteed champion....ALL the rest are pussies....especially that *** from Hawaii

[BornAgainCommunist]

shamcock is a fucking asshole.

that the guy with the big muscles that Shamcock picked first, looks like SHREK....

and...

JARDINE GOT FUCKING ROBBED!!!! FUCK
FUCKING DOUCHE BAG PEICE OF SHIT JUDGE MOTHER FUCKERS.

I wanted a reason to hate bonnar... now I got it.

[maxx]

looks like it's gonna be a good season. they actually listened to the fans and got rid of the gay reality show challenges. which should leave it even more for the action and leave less for them to complain....not to say they wont bitch.

omg a nutricion? i wanna eat all my crap.

Those guys dont listen ken has been using that guy for years for his health. he must have somenthing to offer. instead of bitching about..i need jiu jitsu use the guy. its obvious its too late for the an extra coach.

personally i feel titos team is gonna win in the end.

I was expecting tito to be more of an ass.....

oh the first guy who lost....GOT FUCKING SCAARRED. you could see it..he kept turning on his back and kept covering his face without doing anything.

i'd be scared a bit too if i was on that kinda platform.

bewd: ya the guy is deaf, hence his speach. their are gonna be some beasts thata are gonna come out. and i expect a fight in the house in 3 episodes or less.

[solace]

Can anyone explain to me how Bonnar got the win vs bounty hunter? I was at a loss when they announced that he won.

[Nando]

Can anyone explain to me how Bonnar got the win vs bounty hunter? I was at a loss when they announced that he won.
Te UFC is rigged foo....
It's all about making money now, which is why the have Tito and Ken as coaches.

[maxx]

Can anyone explain to me how Bonnar got the win vs bounty hunter? I was at a loss when they announced that he won.

oh man was that decision baaaddd. thats why u can never let judges decide...always go for a knockout..always.

[tsoteddy]

Did anyone check out the ultimate knockouts after the show?
I thought it was sick!!!!!! but they already show them before.
Someone should do a thread of Ultimate Knockouts

[Plutoburn]

I like having 2 5-min rounds with a sudden death round if it's a draw. That will definitely push the pace and have more exciting fights. Since fights on TUF is considered exhibition and not counting toward record, changing the format for entertainment value is not a big deal.

[K Balch]

Can anyone explain to me how Bonnar got the win vs bounty hunter? I was at a loss when they announced that he won.

Setting up a rematch against forrest. That fight sells itself and they cant make it happen if he loses too many fights. because of this you get a bullshit decision. I watched that fight and I didnt see Bonnar taking that fight. 1st round bonnar lost, 2nd round was tie or small victory for bonnar, and he got beasted 3rd round. But sometimes in fights they think more about future fights when it comes decision time instead of actually judging what they saw.

[KillerKai]

Bonnar is sleeping with the judges. This is the second fight which he should have lost (the first being with Bobby). Meh, but whatever. This season of TUF will be interesting. Mike Stine is the athletic freak that is needed for each season (like Koscheck and Melvin). Except he doesn't have Koscheck's natural talent or Melvin's experience. Since there are no challenges, good riddance to him. He won't be of much use.

Ed Herman (red head guy) is actually from Team Quest. And his hair and his attitude just shows he's been hanging with Chris Leben. Is it just me or do a lot of Team Quest fighters outside of Randy Couture and Nate Quarry come off as mad shit talkers? (Herman, Josh Burkman, Chris Leben).

[Truong]

Jardine/Bonnar wasn't a robbery. It was a fucking heist. Fuck the NSAC for imposing retarded 10 point must system. Boxing, yes. MMA, FUCK NO.

[LimeGreenPatato]

SO because jardine landed some leg kicks he wins the fight? I didn't see bonnar almost get knocked out twice.

It was a very close fight, and the judges picked bonnar, same thing happened with his fight with forrest.



That wasn't a bad call at all.

[Plutoburn]

Jardine wasn't bitching or complaning at the end of the decision, neither should you. Most of you think Jardine had the fight because that dumb ass Rogan said so.

[BEWD]

are you fucking stupid? the guy's deaf.

It seems like tito was just picking guys that had heart and good work ethic. The cry baby red head dude said it best....this is mma, not boxing. And that guy had a jiu jitsu clinic ran on him. He looked like a fish out of water.

This season looks like it could be interesting, hopefully they have some talent this year. Man, the UFN was pretty brutal....they had two decent fights jardin/bonnar and steveson/neer. How the fuck do you have 12 wins....all by decision...who does rasheed think he is...matt linland.



And I'm agreeing with everyone on the nutritionist, I didn't say it was more important to maintain/build your body up, but it is an important factor. Tito definantely picked smarter with his wrestling coach.

But Shamrock played his cards with the selection, building directly off Tito's picks.

EDIT: removed return hostility

I can see that guy with the shaggy hair(short-breath) being out early, though Shamrock claims he has the most ability, he complains and runs out of breath, then just stops working altogether. Not the best way to start

I was also referring to Ken when I said don't rule him out, his assistant coaches and training approach may be akward, but I think he can really turn them into excellent fighters if done right, same with Ortiz.

and speaking of Ortiz, I think he should have little trouble against Griffin, if any at all. Any thoughts on that?

[LimeGreenPatato]

And I'm agreeing with everyone on the nutritionist, I didn't say it was more important to maintain/build your body up, but it is an important factor. Tito definantely picked smarter with his wrestling coach.

But Shamrock played his cards with the selection, building directly off Tito's picks.

EDIT: removed return hostility

I can see that guy with the shaggy hair(short-breath) being out early, though Shamrock claims he has the most ability, he complains and runs out of breath, then just stops working altogether. Not the best way to start

I was also referring to Ken when I said don't rule him out, his assistant coaches and training approach may be akward, but I think he can really turn them into excellent fighters if done right, same with Ortiz.

and speaking of Ortiz, I think he should have little trouble against Griffin, if any at all. Any thoughts on that?

Titos the wrestling coach. Dean lister is jiu jitsu.

[Cool-Breeze]

I hate both of these peice of shit men.
but I'd love to have thier nak acounts.

Ohhhh so why do you hate them both again??

I respect Tito in most aspects because he is brash, he is cocky, and we were told (while growing up) to respect those older than us alot and often but we are never told why to respect them, just because your 40 and im 24 doesnt mean shit.

Tito was the fighter to represent our generation at the time, he was a young Stone Cold of UFC, deference is he earned it by defeating people not pre-written matches.
The online drama and shit said behind peoples back came to a head once Tito beat someone from his camp, hell he Flipped em off, he felt he deserved the right to talk shit and he did.
After that he OWED Ken Shamrock and made it look easy, I cant wait til July.

Im still pissed about Dana claiming to no longer be cool with Tito when he was the guy promising tito all this shit and reniging on it later, him losing to Randy was just Icing on the cake for him to give em the boot, thats why Tito left and signed that 10 fight deal and went for WWE and Pride.

I really dont see Tito losing to my boy Forrest but how long has it been since anyone has seen him in the Octagon or anywhere else??

Andrei will retain, and I think there was a PUN intended threw the title of the PPV


Ed Herman seems to be the shoe in for his weight Class

[Truong]

Limegreen and Plutoburn: It wasn't so much as leg kicks that won the fight, it was what Bonnar didn't do. Jardine simply landed many more cleaner strikes. Don't get let your judgement get clouded by this 'Jardine was almost knocked out' bullshit. You don't 'almost get knocked out' then come back and make the other guy run for his life for the rest of the round. Jardine landed equal amounts of punches, and pulled far away with his leg kicks, which clearly had Bonnar limping and hesistating, forcing Bonnar to go for half-assed take down attemps which Jardine easily defended. Again, this isn't boxing; getting dropped does not automatically make you lose the round (if you're judging the fight by round system, which is fucking dumb). It means Jardine has a suspect chin, and even then Bonnar couldn't come close to finishing him.

You know the decision is bullshit when even UFN crowds, who are usually MMA scrubs, even boo'ed. You know it's bad when it actually has 99% of Sherdog members agreeing.

Fact is, UFC simply can't afford for Bonnar to lose. He's their other Forrest Griffin, and for Bonnar to lose means the prospect of a rematch with Forrest would be in jeopardy. And THAT'S their money maker.

[Nagata Lock II]

Whoever is going on about rigged judges, get your head out of your ass. UFC has no say over who the judges are or have any sway over them, they're appointed by the NSAC. If anything, UFC is fortunate that Bonnar came away with the victory but if Jardine had won it still works fine for them as he'd had two previous wins going into the Bonnar fight and would have had momentum.

When you look at the Bonnar vs Jardine fight, it really could have been scored either way. On a personal level, I feel that Jardine won the fight 29 - 28 but anyone could just have easily scored it the opposite way (as the judges did) or 30 - 27 for either man. The only time I felt Jardine exerted true control was at the end of the third. The rest of the time he was content to knot up Bonnar's thigh with leg kicks. Effective strategy but hardly something that's going to win you the fight. Bonnar's near knockout shot in the 3rd is obviously what carried weight in the eyes of the judges.

Bottom line: Don't leave the fight in the hands of the judges.

[Against Me!]

Ed Herman (red head guy) is actually from Team Quest. And his hair and his attitude just shows he's been hanging with Chris Leben. Is it just me or do a lot of Team Quest fighters outside of Randy Couture and Nate Quarry come off as mad shit talkers? (Herman, Josh Burkman, Chris Leben).

So someones natural hair color changes when they hang out with others...? Ed Herman's hair is natural guy, he doesn't dye it because he trains with Chris Leben. But OK.....

My favorite guy so far is Kristian Rothaermel (shaggy hair guy) because he just seems chill and laid back, unlike some of the others. He also has a pretty impressive record, 40-3, but I haven't seen him fight before.

BTW Tait Fletcher is one of the weirdest looking guys i've ever seen in my life.... good lord almighty.

Edit: WTF, I was just looking at the line up and I don't remember ever seeing this guy. http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/bios.php?group=fighter&fid=61 The hell?

[LimeGreenPatato]

Limegreen and Plutoburn: It wasn't so much as leg kicks that won the fight, it was what Bonnar didn't do. Jardine simply landed many more cleaner strikes. Don't get let your judgement get clouded by this 'Jardine was almost knocked out' bullshit. You don't 'almost get knocked out' then come back and make the other guy run for his life for the rest of the round. Jardine landed equal amounts of punches, and pulled far away with his leg kicks, which clearly had Bonnar limping and hesistating, forcing Bonnar to go for half-assed take down attemps which Jardine easily defended. Again, this isn't boxing; getting dropped does not automatically make you lose the round (if you're judging the fight by round system, which is fucking dumb). It means Jardine has a suspect chin, and even then Bonnar couldn't come close to finishing him.

You know the decision is bullshit when even UFN crowds, who are usually MMA scrubs, even boo'ed. You know it's bad when it actually has 99% of Sherdog members agreeing.

Fact is, UFC simply can't afford for Bonnar to lose. He's their other Forrest Griffin, and for Bonnar to lose means the prospect of a rematch with Forrest would be in jeopardy. And THAT'S their money maker.


99% of sherdog members are fucking retarded.

[LoneWarrior]

I'm looking forward to this season and I'm glad they got rid of the challanges. I just hope to Shamrock/Ortiz thing doesn't get out of hand and overshadow the rest of the show because that would be a shame.

[KillerKai]

So someones natural hair color changes when they hang out with others...? Ed Herman's hair is natural guy, he doesn't dye it because he trains with Chris Leben. But OK.....

[/url] The hell?
1. It was a joke.
2. How do you know? He's fought a lot of fights with blonde hair.

[maxx]

99% of sherdog members are fucking retarded.

truth.

[Nando]

Ohhhh so why do you hate them both again??

I respect Tito in most aspects because he is brash, he is cocky, and we were told (while growing up) to respect those older than us alot and often but we are never told why to respect them, just because your 40 and im 24 doesnt mean shit.

Tito was the fighter to represent our generation at the time, he was a young Stone Cold of UFC, deference is he earned it by defeating people not pre-written matches.
The online drama and shit said behind peoples back came to a head once Tito beat someone from his camp, hell he Flipped em off, he felt he deserved the right to talk shit and he did.
After that he OWED Ken Shamrock and made it look easy, I cant wait til July.

Im still pissed about Dana claiming to no longer be cool with Tito when he was the guy promising tito all this shit and reniging on it later, him losing to Randy was just Icing on the cake for him to give em the boot, thats why Tito left and signed that 10 fight deal and went for WWE and Pride.

I really dont see Tito losing to my boy Forrest but how long has it been since anyone has seen him in the Octagon or anywhere else??

Andrei will retain, and I think there was a PUN intended threw the title of the PPV


Ed Herman seems to be the shoe in for his weight Class
I don't know if he has said it, but he isn't a fighter, he is a competiterve(sp), and thats why he got beat up on the streets.
Ken Sham, I don't like, cuz he beat out(Ken losT) one of my friends (Don Henizmen) because Ken doesn't have ground game, and the UFC was looking to make money.

[BornAgainCommunist]

Can anyone explain to me how Bonnar got the win vs bounty hunter? I was at a loss when they announced that he won.

Boxing has been around forever in USA and it doesn't even have a fucking national boxing commission for universal standards. So.. UFC might be fucked for a while.... but if somebody gets on top of it quick.... there might be some hope.


IMO, Jardine won every round.
fucking Bonnar seriously just got his ass knocked around esspecially in the 3rd round, and he was fucking egging on the crowd to cheer for him right after the fight, i thought he dillussional... just trying to keep some pride.... but he got a fucking sweep of all the rounds for all the judges. They must just give him tons of credit for walking forward and getting smashed..... mabey it is his head shaking that hypnotized them.

Bottom line besides the damage that Jardine did that clearly incapacitated Bonnar.... is that Bonnar HAD to constantly change tactics because he was getting the worst of the all but a few of the exchanges..... Jardine stuck with his plan the whole way and imposed his will on Bonnar.

[solace]

Shows that guy right for popping Tito's basketball!

[BEWD]

No, I thinkj Jesse's(better yet, Team Shamrock's as a whole's) arrogance really cost him that match, he was so confident that he was going to win, that he snared himself right into that armbar.

It was also good to see Matt getting an interpreter, now he won't be at such a huge disadvantage.

[soup or man]

I've done a complete 180 on the Ortiz/Shamrock thing. I used to hate Ortiz, and couldn't wait for the fight at the end of the season to see if Shamrock could redeem himself. Now I find myself hating Shamrock. He's been the only one antagonizing Tito, and so far he seems like a terrible coach. He gave his guys 2 days off, then wonders how come they're slacking? It looks like he gives them another day off after Jesse's loss.

I'm glad Jesse's gone. I know that type of guy, so desperate for attention he'll do anything so people will think he's cool. Tait is kind of a douche, also. "Caleb and Me are old enough to come up with good ideas." Michael Bisping's crying is getting old fast. "I flew half way around the world." We know. When he inevitably loses he's going to blame it on Tito for not preparing him enough, and if he wins a fight he'll say he did it on his own. I'm pretty sure Matt and Tito are sleeping together.

[BEWD]

I've done a complete 180 on the Ortiz/Shamrock thing. I used to hate Ortiz, and couldn't wait for the fight at the end of the season to see if Shamrock could redeem himself. Now I find myself hating Shamrock. He's been the only one antagonizing Tito, and so far he seems like a terrible coach. He gave his guys 2 days off, then wonders how come they're slacking? It looks like he gives them another day off after Jesse's loss.

I'm glad Jesse's gone. I know that type of guy, so desperate for attention he'll do anything so people will think he's cool. Tait is kind of a douche, also. "Caleb and Me are old enough to come up with good ideas." Michael Bisping's crying is getting old fast. "I flew half way around the world." We know. When he inevitably loses he's going to blame it on Tito for not preparing him enough, and if he wins a fight he'll say he did it on his own. I'm pretty sure Matt and Tito are sleeping together.


I don't think it's that, I do think the favoritism towards Matt is obvious, but you can't rule out that he has more going against him than the others, regardless of his wrestling wins. I think one of them described the Matt/Tito thing best when he said "I think he's looking to make Matt another Tito Ortiz"

[KillerKai]

The Brits arguing over who should flush who's shit down the toilet was amusing to say the least...

[BEWD]

Here's the results of UCF 59 for anyone who didn't catch the PPV. Courtesy of Bullshido.net:

spoilers:



Thiago Alves defeated Derrek Noble by TKO (ref stoppage/strikes) at 2:54 of Rd.1
Jason Lambert defeats Terry Martin by TKO at 2:37 of Rd.2 (ref stoppage/strikes)
- David Terrell defeats Scott Smith by RNC at 3:08 of Rd.1
Karo Parisyan defeats Nick Thompson by tap out to strikes at 4:44 Rd.1
Jeff Monson defeats Marcio Cruz split decision.
Evan Tanner defeats Justin Levens 1:14 Rd 1Triangle Choke.
Ortiz defeats Griffin Split decision.
Sean Sherk defeats Diaz Unanimous Decision.
Sylvia defeats Arlovski KO 2:33 Rd 1

[soup or man]

SPOILER





Sylvia defeats Arlovski KO 2:33 Rd 1
That's too bad. I hate watching Tim Sylvia matches. They're so boring.

[maxx]

can u guys like spoiler blue the ufc 59 stuff...im working on d/l it now. and don't wanna see the spoilers just yet.

also i just d/l the last ultimate fighter...wow noah..i thought he was gonna bitch out like the first kid. but noah pulled it through, he's clearly the bitch of the series too. everyone treats him like shit. good job for him.

tito is a good coach.

[Nagata Lock II]

Whoever wrote spoilers for UFC 59 needs to delete that post. I almost read the results when I clicked on this link and I've gone out of my way to avoid spoilers until I can see the show. If you want to talk about the PPV, make a thread for it.

EDIT: Thanks for the spoiler blue. I saw it after between when I started my post and finished it.

As for TUF3, I'm inclined to agree as it concerns looking at Tito in a different light. I never pictured him to be the whole nurturing father figure complete with making dinner for his boys. The guy works them hard but he also treats everyone like a family. I've gained a lot of respect for that guy (moreso now as I've always loved Ortiz theatrics) and I hope his guys run through this competition.

As for the fight itself, I was glad to see Jesse thrown off. What a fucking idiot. The guy wrecks the property (I can't imagine UFC not charging him for that wrecked vase at the very least), shoots his mouth off, destroys another coach's basketball (that keep your arms in place exercise was innovative) and is just a puppet for two guys that'll get smoked later on anyway. I'm glad to see he got put away by a guy who's obviously very mindful of where he is and what he wants out of this competition in Noah. It was a pretty looking Juji Gatame as well.

[BEWD]

can u guys like spoiler blue the ufc 59 stuff...im working on d/l it now. and don't wanna see the spoilers just yet.

also i just d/l the last ultimate fighter...wow noah..i thought he was gonna bitch out like the first kid. but noah pulled it through, he's clearly the bitch of the series too. everyone treats him like shit. good job for him.

tito is a good coach.


No problem dude, done.

Anyways, on tuf, Noah took advantage of the overconfidence and condescending attitudes he's encountered from team shamrock and turned that into a win, that should be a wakeup call for Team Shamrock to get it in gear.

edit: Or. I could just put it in spoiler blue, rather than make another UFC thread that'd just get deleted. Calm yourself.

Btw, I'm pretty sure Jesse had to pay for that Nagata, remember from TUF 1 when Leben had to reimburse them for the door?

[maxx]

why are we getting shamrock light in tuf? seriously..tito seems like tito yet shamrock is pussying his guys around. he should be running them ragged....anyone sense shamrocks team is full of badguys? lol if u were to put that kinda label on them.

and red head is like the bitch of the series.

ohh god tito...i hate you for not picking me. now imma go cry on my livejournal wahhhh.

shamrocks team is gonna get wasted this season
-no grappling coach..check
-shamrock light...check
-wack workouts from what we see...check
-deaf kids gonna run them ragged...oh he will..check

[BEWD]

why are we getting shamrock light in tuf? seriously..tito seems like tito yet shamrock is pussying his guys around. he should be running them ragged....anyone sense shamrocks team is full of badguys? lol if u were to put that kinda label on them.

and red head is like the bitch of the series.

ohh god tito...i hate you for not picking me. now imma go cry on my livejournal wahhhh.

shamrocks team is gonna get wasted this season
-no grappling coach..check
-shamrock light...check
-wack workouts from what we see...check
-deaf kids gonna run them ragged...oh he will..check


Yea, Shamrock seems to be really out of character, 3 DAYS Off?(including that one after Jesse's loss) Letting himself be talked back to and repeating the same scthick for about 10 mins? wtf.

And also this "secret alliance" (seems to happen every tuf, 2 people decide to team up and try to find an easy way out)

bah.

[Nagata Lock II]

I was shocked that Shamrock allowed himself to be talked back to so brutally while in the middle of a speech. This is a guy that goes on and on about respect and then some punk is talking over him and rolling his eyes like Shamrock is a nobody. Maybe he's getting too old to handle these guys? He should bring in Frank Shamrock to shatter that kids forearm with his foot.

[soup or man]

The secret alliance seems kind of dumb. What could they gain from forming an alliance? It didn't do anything for George and that boxer guy last season. All they did was say they were in an alliance, and then that boxer guy got sent home. There's no voting going on, the coaches make all of the final decisions, so why do they bother with this alliacne crap? Do you think it's because they've seen other reality shows and think it's what they need to do?

[maxx]

nah if they followd every reality show rule their would be challenges.

an alliance could just mean that if he snitches the guy in control of the dime peice can say hey lets not pick that guy(my snitch) but the other one.

nagata: yes bring in frank

if tito can bring in a translator why cant shamrock bring in a grappling coach?..the deaf guy lit up like a friggen christmas tree. the british guy said it best
"i'm glad he has a translator, but this just makes my job harder"

[BEWD]

nah if they followd every reality show rule their would be challenges.

an alliance could just mean that if he snitches the guy in control of the dime peice can say hey lets not pick that guy(my snitch) but the other one.

nagata: yes bring in frank

if tito can bring in a translator why cant shamrock bring in a grappling coach?..the deaf guy lit up like a friggen christmas tree. the british guy said it best
"i'm glad he has a translator, but this just makes my job harder"


that's not really the point of it, the point, as soup or man put so well, is that this alliance shit NEVER works. It's never benefitted the idiots in it.

[Nagata Lock II]

I got a chance to watch UFC 59. I'm only going to touch on Ortiz vs Griffen because that's the only fight that I thought warranted much thought...

While I'm not necessarily upset with the winner of the fight, I'm most definitely upset with how it was scored. The first round most definitely belonged to Ortiz. However, for two judges to score it 10 - 8 is ridiculous. Ortiz had a decisive advantage for 1/2 the round but it was hardly the total dominance needed to score a 10 - 8. The 2nd round completely belonged to Griffen. His standup was far superior, he thwarted every single shot from Ortiz with ease and he pushed the fight the entire way. The third round really could have been scored either way. As Griffen said in his post match interview, Ortiz stole the round when he finally got in a successful shot and G&P'd to burn a few minutes. Each of them landed a significant blow in the dying seconds so it was anyone's guess. Bottom line though, for two judges to score it 30 - 27 and 29 - 27 respectively is a massive slap in the face and makes me wonder what the hell these judges are looking for.

[Plutoburn]

I got a chance to watch UFC 59. I'm only going to touch on Ortiz vs Griffen because that's the only fight that I thought warranted much thought...

While I'm not necessarily upset with the winner of the fight, I'm most definitely upset with how it was scored. The first round most definitely belonged to Ortiz. However, for two judges to score it 10 - 8 is ridiculous. Ortiz had a decisive advantage for 1/2 the round but it was hardly the total dominance needed to score a 10 - 8. The 2nd round completely belonged to Griffen. His standup was far superior, he thwarted every single shot from Ortiz with ease and he pushed the fight the entire way. The third round really could have been scored either way. As Griffen said in his post match interview, Ortiz stole the round when he finally got in a successful shot and G&P'd to burn a few minutes. Each of them landed a significant blow in the dying seconds so it was anyone's guess. Bottom line though, for two judges to score it 30 - 27 and 29 - 27 respectively is a massive slap in the face and makes me wonder what the hell these judges are looking for.

Round 1 recap:

Tito tagged Forrest with a decent left hook that send Forrest a few steps back, Tito connected with a left inside low kick, a left jab by Tito grazed Forrest right cheek, Forrest right outside low kick hit Tito, Tito takes Forrest down and proceed to elbow him the rest of the round with Forrest in survival mode for 4 minutes and 30 seconds.

That's domination.

Here is where the flaw for using 10 points must for MMA comes in: It is a better way to judge boxing because boxing has more and shorter rounds, it doesn't make sense for longer and fewer rounds of the UFC format. Fighter A dominates fighter B in 1 round, fighter B barely squeeze out 2 rounds, fighter B is suppose to win 29-28. (round 2 and 3 could be a stalemate for much of the rounds with B show a little glimpse of edge, and that is enough to offset the domination an entire 5 min of round 1?)

[Nagata Lock II]

*snip*
I'd beg to differ. I went back to the PPV to be sure and your recap is hardly accurate. Ortiz scored 5 decisive elbows in 3 minutes on the ground. One of them cut Griffen open (but he's prone to bleed anyway). After that they got back to their feet and Ortiz did reassert himself after the shot but he didn't get in anything of significance. Just because you have position doesn't mean that you're dominant. If Ortiz was scoring heavy blows the entire round I could see your point here but again while he was the better of the two in the round, I don't believe it warranted a 10 - 8 advantage.

I agree on your latter point. The 10 point system doesn't work well in the UFC format. I may be applicable in title fights because of the five round system but for the rest it just seems a way to create opportunities to either build a lead and wait it out or pick your spots for a steal at the right time.

[Plutoburn]

I'd beg to differ. I went back to the PPV to be sure and your recap is hardly accurate. Ortiz scored 5 decisive elbows in 3 minutes on the ground. One of them cut Griffen open (but he's prone to bleed anyway). After that they got back to their feet and Ortiz did reassert himself after the shot but he didn't get in anything of significance. Just because you have position doesn't mean that you're dominant. If Ortiz was scoring heavy blows the entire round I could see your point here but again while he was the better of the two in the round, I don't believe it warranted a 10 - 8 advantage.

I agree on your latter point. The 10 point system doesn't work well in the UFC format. I may be applicable in title fights because of the five round system but for the rest it just seems a way to create opportunities to either build a lead and wait it out or pick your spots for a steal at the right time.

I didn't say it should be a 10-8 round, though I did say it was dominating. Forrest wasn't in danger of being finished where referee actually had to consider stopping or a sub nearly sunk in. Those are the kind of rounds I'd go 10-8, but round 1 was dominating in the sense 1 fighter constantly attacked the other while the other couldn't fight back. I personally feel Griffin won in a 10 point system, like my example barely won 2&3, so I disagree with the official decision, but I believe it is a bad scoring system. If the fight is judged as a whole, Ortiz won it in my book, that's why I follow my round 1 recap with a explaination of the flaw of 10 point per round system for MMA. So in a sense, I agree with the decision but for different reasons.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Just because you have position doesn't mean that you're dominant. If Ortiz was scoring heavy blows the entire round I could see your point here but again while he was the better of the two in the round, I don't believe it warranted a 10 - 8 advantage.


It pretty much does in ufc judging. How do you think lindland and tito usually win fights. Eitherway, tito mashed forrest in the first round.....i don't know how you can say he wasn't landing any heavy blows, plus he pretty much made forrest look like he was some random clown off the street.

I actually thought forrest was going to win that fight until he got taken down in the 3rd round....and even then i wasn't totally sure tito was going to win it. I was really impressed with forrest in that fight.


I'm still pissed about the main event. Arlovski lost that fight for himself....he got over excited and started throwing for the fences and ended up getting knocked out. I could see it coming as soon as he started chasing him. I'm still wondering why he didn't try to do something from the bottom...it was obvious he wasn't out, he could have atleast rolled over.....but i guess i've never had a 300 pound man on top of me punching me in the head, so maybe he couldn't move, i don't know.

[MAGUS1234]

IN boxing 10-8 doesnt mean your close to being finished....well it CAN, but it means you were winning a round and the opponent hit the canvas by a punch....it could be cause you were off balance for all it matters.

[maxx]

ok just saw the vid.

holy shit@tim silvia...luckiest man alive. seriously.

tito vs forrest round 2 needs to happen...i love tito but i felt forrest won that...seriously what the hell happened to tito in rounds 2 and 3? did he gas himself out? he looked great then he like took the night off for 2 and 3. dont get that. is it cause he beasted him in round one and thought he's not much of threat. and why so many tries for a takedown...they became predictable after the first 2.

nick diaz looks soo friggen skinny how did sherk not just knock him out early.

[Nagata Lock II]

I never said Ortiz didn't land heavy blows. I said he landed five heavy blows. I thought I was very clear on the matter. He threw down a lot of elbows but the majority of them didn't even connect.

As for Tito's change in attitude for the latter 2 rounds, I would suspect his knee took something out of the explosiveness of his shot. I can't believe that Couture has trained Griffen so well that he would have been able to sprawl a 100% healthy Ortiz shot on such a consistent basis. When Ortiz BnB went to hell, he just didn't know how to cope with it. You can tell that Ortiz really likes a match to move in his pace and when it doesn't pan out he tends to fall apart.

There's no doubt a re-match will take place but it won't be for a while. Ortiz has a full plate with Shamrock (which will probably get delayed now that he's got to take 3 months off) and then if he wins that fight then the money match is with Liddell. Either way after Liddell, Ortiz will end up fighting Griffen. He'll either be defending the LHW Title or they'll position it as a grudge match. Of course Griffen has to keep winning or it's all a mess.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know what the semi main event of UFC 60 is? I would assume it'll be the #1 contender to Liddell's title but I can't even recall who's lined up for that slot considering it's been a giant triangle of Ortiz/Couture/Liddell for so long.

[$|-|U(V)AYeL]

11 second K.O. was too tough.

[Plutoburn]

On an unrelated note, does anyone know what the semi main event of UFC 60 is? I would assume it'll be the #1 contender to Liddell's title but I can't even recall who's lined up for that slot considering it's been a giant triangle of Ortiz/Couture/Liddell for so long.

Now that Couture is out of the picture, there is nobody except Babalu. Though his last defeat was a high kick to the head courtesy of Chuck, that was 3 1/2 years ago and he has gone on to win 10 straight since, most people think he has earned another shot and deserve to be the #1 contender. There are no other LHW in the picture anyways.

The smart money is a fight to set up a #1 MW contender because there is nobody right now.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Titos been saying forrest greased the back of his legs. He made a motion to the ref during the fight as well. Who knows....could just be that tito was frusterated that he couldn't take forrest down as easy as he thought he could.

The UFC really needs to make some kind of effort to get some depth in their HW/LHW and MW divisions. There's maybe one contender to the belt in each division. And i wouldn't even say tanner is much of a contender to franklin. I really have no intrest in the next UFC, i could care less about the hughes/gracie fight and they don't really have anything else on the card. They don't have enough depth to be doing 1 show a month....well they have enough fighters, but they don't have enough people will actually pay to watch.

[Brodieman]

just wanted to ask if you guys ever talk about how pride is 100 times better than ufc?

[LimeGreenPatato]

just wanted to ask if you guys ever talk about how pride is 100 times better than ufc?


i'd like to hear your reasons why.....i'm sure they will be really insightful.

[maxx]

just wanted to ask if you guys ever talk about how pride is 100 times better than ufc?

ur just trying to instigate a fight arent u.

[maxx]

goodlord royce is an ugly mofo.

[BEWD]

just wanted to ask if you guys ever talk about how pride is 100 times better than ufc?

Go watch Degrassi.


anyways, Gracie's a fucking beast

EDIT: Shamrock's team should be hitting the octagon, not a golf ball.

[maxx]

lol hows shamrock gonna diss those two about their ground game since day one they asked for a grappling coach. wtf.

[BEWD]

Bah, Team Dagger? wtf kind of stupid ass shit is that. AND they got equivalent of a "secret handhake" lmfao.

Ed still pmsing about not being picked :lol:

[maxx]

ed's really a woman in disguise.

[Nagata Lock II]

I'm forced to wonder why UFC's scouts bother with fighters like Ross. One dimensional strikers are a complete waste of time. The guy got picked apart to the surprise of absolutely no one. Hell he got out punched as well but that didn't surprise me considering the reach Kendell had on him.

Word to the wise; an entire pizza, garlic bread and whatever else the night before your body has to run like a well oiled machine isn't the best idea.

[maxx]

hooly crap was that fight funny. he didnt listen to his corner at all. he fuckin threw like 10 low roundhouses. ya know u should stop at 2 when ur opponent times ur roundhouses with his punches lol.

saw that choke came a mile away

anyone notice he got tired really fast...like when shamrock told him to hold the wrist..fuck hold the wrist...he can barely breath and stand.

[BEWD]

hooly crap was that fight funny. he didnt listen to his corner at all. he fuckin threw like 10 low roundhouses. ya know u should stop at 2 when ur opponent times ur roundhouses with his punches lol.

saw that choke came a mile away

anyone notice he got tired really fast...like when shamrock told him to hold the wrist..fuck hold the wrist...he can barely breath and stand.

Look at the post above.

Ross is a complete moron, he just stuffed his self the night before the fight, you could tell he was crapping out in the sauna from all the junk, stuff yourself AFTER the fight not the fucking night before you dumbass.

[Airthrow]

Ross was tired, but I think what lost him the fight was the frustration, because he took a few good hits (surprisingly good ones considering how skinny and un-powerful Kendall looks) AND was getting tooled on the ground. When kendal was on top and Ross was in a sitting position, his facial expression read like "What the fuck am I supposed to do? GODDAMNIT!!" like he was mystified.

Also, he totally should've followed Ken's advice of holding the wrist and turning to his right, he got choked out after willingly giving up his back. Unless your name is Sakuraba, 99/100 giving your back up is fucking retarded.

Anyways, that was a really great fight.

[Hokuto no Jeffro]

Kendall: Can I have a piggyback ride?
Ross: Uhhhh.... okay.
Kendall: Rear naked choke.

That's what the fight looked like to me.

[abacabb]

Why would you pig out before a fight? Shouldnt you do that afterwards?

[soup or man]

Man. These early UFC matches they're showing on Unleashed are hilarious. Gracie made the mistake of letting go of his hold when Shamrock tapped out, but the refs were so inexperienced they didn't realize it. Every fight after that Gracie basically held on until the ref ripped him off. Man, there really were no rules. I love duringg the Kimo fight when the commentators say "There's the headbutt...and there's the knee to the groin." Hah! And when Gracie had Kimo's top knot...priceless.

[solace]

How do you lose 10 pounds overnight just through sleeping?

[Airthrow]

How do you lose 10 pounds overnight just through sleeping?

By breathing out CO2, seriously. When you're as muscular as he is, and he was stuffed with water, which is easy to lose just by sitting around with your metabolism. Plus he is heavily, heavily muscled, so just sitting around requires a fuck-ton of energy for him. I lose about 1-3lbs overnight in waterweight and I am only moderately active, though I was surprised he lost THAT much overnight, the guy really does know his body pretty good.

[turdburger]

Haha Team Dagger was the funniest thing ever. The confessionals they had together made the show.

I was suprised in this episode that they didn't show how dumb Shamrock is, well I guess maybe they did during the golfing thing.

The fight seemed like Kendal was just putting on like a basic mma clinic, it looked really easy for him. And I started taking bjj duirng season 2 and 3 so its nice to be able to recognize things, cool stuff.

[maxx]

team dagger in the confessional is like real world...especially when its two guys lol.

did u see the black guys face when tito chose ross? he seriosuly lipped fuck and the camera turned away i laughed my ass off.

is it possible ross pigged out because he felt madd weak from all the sweating and fasting he did to drop weight and he was just trying to regain his strength?

[LimeGreenPatato]

Unless your name is Sakuraba, 99/100 giving your back up is fucking retarded.

.

Or loiseau......i don't get how he gets away with it sometimes.


Anyway, i didn't actually watch the show, but i'm guessing he pigged out before the fight to gain all his weight back. I thought most people just rehydrate themselves with alot of water....but i guess eating works too.

[majeh]

:'( pointon...

[Airthrow]

I'm not a wrestler, but after getting in the sauna you should do like Bobby Southworth did before beating Lodune, you sip some capfulls of water and gradually regain your hydration before you eat some (good) carbs so you'll have some energy you can quickly tap into during the fight.

[Cool-Breeze]

Maxx send me that UFC Torrent A.s.a.p Bro

Also Im pissed about this show man im more interested in seeing Shamrock and ortiz go at in then the up incomers man we need some ligeti beef building to keep me interested.

WTF was this dude thinkin eating hella dairy products and shit before a freegin fight yo?
Im glad Kendell Owned him.

[Sexperienced.]

Tito Ortiz just looks worse and worse in every fight. Other than his crappy telegraphed takedowns (which dont work on elite fighters) he's completely lost.

It says something about your skills when a guy like Forrest Griffin is blocking your takedown attempts and out-striking you.

Ortiz will never win the title again at 205.

[maxx]

Maxx send me that UFC Torrent A.s.a.p Bro

Also Im pissed about this show man im more interested in seeing Shamrock and ortiz go at in then the up incomers man we need some ligeti beef building to keep me interested.

WTF was this dude thinkin eating hella dairy products and shit before a freegin fight yo?
Im glad Kendell Owned him.

sign up to this site http://tracker.fullcontactzone.com/ and u can just be freeee.

[Airthrow]

Remove that before you get banned and this thread closed.

[turdburger]

Tito Ortiz just looks worse and worse in every fight. Other than his crappy telegraphed takedowns (which dont work on elite fighters) he's completely lost.

It says something about your skills when a guy like Forrest Griffin is blocking your takedown attempts and out-striking you.

Ortiz will never win the title again at 205.

I dunno Tito had a good first round. But I think he had the same problem BJ Penn did against GSP. He had a lackluster preformace in the 2nd and 3rd round, like he pulled out all the stops in round 1 and was lost in the later rounds. He did get the take down in the 3rd round which won it for him and also maybe the fact that Forrest didn't really cause any visible damage probably swayed the judges (even though the one 30-27 score was really off).

I watched the fight again and even though the fight was decently good, the build up and presentation really made the fight spectacular.

[opticallyinviz]

Not even close to the same as bj. Bj's problem was conditioning. tito's problem is he just doesn't have that special IT now.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Not even close to the same as bj. Bj's problem was conditioning. tito's problem is he just doesn't have that special IT now.


Titos problem is he cant' strike. You can't come in to this sport with just one disipline anymore...as much as he tries to strike tito is just a wrestler and he's B&B is his ground and pound. and when forrest was stopping his take downs, he had nothing. That's why he'll never beat lidell. lidell can not only stop his take downs...but get up if he does get taken down....plus his striking is his weapon. You have to be more than competent in more than one or two skills now.

[Plutoburn]

You don't even need to see him fight to know he is a GnP guy (or LnP if you hate him), just look at his name.

Ortiz <------- Freakin name looks like a stick man laying on all four

[Crimson Fury]

So who should Anderson Silva's first UFC opponent be?

[Airthrow]

So who should Anderson Silva's first UFC opponent be?

Karo vs Silva would be fucking SICK, but I would rather Karo get his crack at Matt Hughes after he schools Royce.

Not to disrespect Royce...because MAAAAN I just watched his highlight vid on youtube, and other than Fedor, very few fighters have ever seemed on such an untouchable level compared to their competition back when Royce was THE MAN. I mean, he was fucking schooling EVERYBODY exposing them for the slobs they were, with utter skill.

Unfortunately that cornfed wrassler from Illinois is gonna GnP his face into oblivion. :karate:

[Crimson Fury]

I would assume Silva would be fighting at 185 like usual.

Royce was amazing at the time. That's why I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Saku was beating him down and playing with his gi.

[maxx]

royce is gonna get owned. i need to get my money to vegas really...i can win some easy money with this fight.

[Sexperienced.]

Rich Franklin's only loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVDu9hbmII

[Crimson Fury]

You do know Franklin was a HW for that fight right?

I'd love to see Machida in the UFC.

[MAGUS1234]

royce is gonna get owned. i need to get my money to vegas really...i can win some easy money with this fight.


you wont make any money on that fight, the odds will be horrible, so bad that it wont be worth the risk to put 500$ on matt just to get an extra hundred

[maxx]

tito pulled out of the fight..shamrock can breath a sigh of relief now
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=1958&zoneid=13

[LimeGreenPatato]

Danas a fucking idiot. You don't fucking go against the judges scores, I know the UFC doesn't pick the judges but that just makes your org look like a fucking joke. CAn you imagine colin campbell saying he thinks the refs in the NHL were shit? What a fucking tool...just cause he's pissed at tito for pulling out.

man, i never had a problem with dana, but that's so fucking stupid.

[Super Warrior]

So far Tito Ortiz has impressed me by:

#1: Acting fairly mature in his attitude on the show. I was expecting the cocky, white-trash, scumbag tito of the old days. On the show Tito has a more "professional" attitude. Sometimes its hard to believe i'm watching the same guy.

#2: Tito seems to be taking to the coaching role quite well. He not only seems genuinly interested in helping his guys train right and working with them every step of the way, but also looks to be doing a much better job than Ken.

Shamrock on the other hand seems to be the Rich Franklin of this season- A great fighter by his own right, but does'ent quite know how to put others through training.

Rich franklin and Ken Shamrock: Proof that being a great fighter does not necessarily mean you'll make a good *coach/teacher* as well.

[turdburger]

The article doesn't say if Tito is backing out of the fight because of the partial tear to his ACL/LCL. Strange I wonder if it was the injury or something else.

[maxx]

Rich franklin and Ken Shamrock: Proof that being a great fighter does not necessarily mean you'll make a good *coach/teacher* as well.

lol you can tell this by visiting a few martial arts schools. i've had some great teachers as fighters but it doesnt translate to great teaching.

[LimeGreenPatato]

The article doesn't say if Tito is backing out of the fight because of the partial tear to his ACL/LCL. Strange I wonder if it was the injury or something else.


most likely the injury (if it's true) an acl tear is no joke.

[Cool-Breeze]

Dana is really acting like a bitch.
I tore my ACL before I went into college, and ACL tear could take up to 6 months to a year to recover from fully for football players and Basketball players.

True this aint no running sport but its fighting, if Ken went for his Knee in the shape its in, it could cause permanent damage.

He already ACED Shamrock once,Putting the rest of his Fighting career and anything else on the line to beat up a guy you already waxed aint worth it yo, he is playing it smart and I would do the same thing.

Tito Carried the UFC a bit with his attitude and cockiness back in the day when UFC was a laughing stock because of the guy who went to wrestling and got whooped by goldberg and others, also people like Iceman got whooped in Pride fight and UFC wasnt allowed in every state let alone on T.V.
He added excitement to a rather bland style that was around at the time, im not saying the entire UFC was boring just a few matches back then being advertised the most were.

[maxx]

basically when the previous owners fucked up by promoting ufc as a barabic sport they shot themselves in the foot. But in the new age of ufc...tito was the marketing man for everyone. he was our stone cold steve austin and it brought in viewers by droves. I too was attarcxted to mma because of tito.

tito carried the company on his back.

which guy went to wcw to get by goldberg? i know a couple of ufc guys went to wwe for a while..supposedly were gonna be the enxt gen of wwe. but that fell through and only batista/haas/shelton/brock/and orton came out as the next generation. i believe kevin waterman? is that his name..was one of the potential next gen wwe guys.

tito will always make you money gurenteed. look at the show..it sold out in like wut 2 hours? in tito's backyard no less? coicidence..possibly but i'd rather think not.

[Nagata Lock II]

Solid show last night.

What the fuck is Shamrock doing with his guys? He's got to have the most half assed approach to coaching I have ever seen. When you lose the respect of your students, the whole thing just goes to hell.

It's obvious Tito's guys are going to dismantle this whole competition. They're simply better prepared for all of their fights. This whole show is making Shamrock look like a complete idiot and showing Ortiz to be a far different person/fighter than many people would have thought prior to the show.

[Airthrow]

Mike Bisping fucking BEASTED last night, he looked like the definition of a complete fighter. And that knee was SICK, reminds me of Vitor's knee on Marvin Eastman, both those knees to the head opened up wounds that looked like they were made from a rusty old axe.

[Atomic Moth]

I'm pretty sure the nicotine in cigars gets into your blood stream through your mouth, which would then cause a decrease in your blood's ability to carry oxygen. In effect, making you a look like an out-of-shape idiot 2 minutes into your match. Then again, having Shamrock as a coach couldn't help too much.

[Sexperienced.]

so when do Royce and Hughes fight?

[LimeGreenPatato]

Yeah it's like shamrocks idea is to not train them hard because they already know what their doing so they are ready for the fight.

Which is a retarded idea, you only need a day, maybe 2 for your body to be refreshed after training hard everyday.

[Sexperienced.]

he's probably trying to avoid injuries.

[Plutoburn]

The way Tito trains people works long term, Shamrock's training method is totally gear towards winning the competition (only training on focusing countering match ups and avoid injuries). I don't think either one is wrong, there are good things going for each coach's method. Overall, I feel Shamrock is staying true to who he is on TV, Tito, on the other hand is completely playing it for the camera.

This is the guy who:

Dodged contender for a long time
Cannot stick to his own end of the contract
Flagrantly disrespected his opponent after beating them
Cleverly changed his team name to market his clothing line

It will take a lot more to convince me he has changed in his absence from UFC.

[Airthrow]

Cleverly changed his team name to market his clothing line

What's this?

[MAGUS1234]

The way Tito trains people works long term, Shamrock's training method is totally gear towards winning the competition (only training on focusing countering match ups and avoid injuries). I don't think either one is wrong, there are good things going for each coach's method. Overall, I feel Shamrock is staying true to who he is on TV, Tito, on the other hand is completely playing it for the camera.

This is the guy who:

Dodged contender for a long time
Cannot stick to his own end of the contract
Flagrantly disrespected his opponent after beating them
Cleverly changed his team name to market his clothing line

It will take a lot more to convince me he has changed in his absence from UFC.
I will adress these points that are errorness,
1.)He faught chuck and anyone else they put in front of him, If Rampage was Nomber 1 and tito wouldnt fight him people would understand....then imagine Rampage turning his back on camera cause of all the fat cats pulling strings
2.)Tito wanted to paid more money for putting his carreer every fight on the line, youi may not like or understand why boxers make so much money but uts a short lived carrer and Tito can be looked at as a person who stood up for proper treatment
3.)he is one of the most humble in defeat, and his "post fight antics" are funny, have a fucking sense of humor. The shit he did that crossed the line was when he was really young.
4.)You are so cinical it makes me sick, waht if he did though? What if he did change the name of his team for his clothing line(since you know for a fact!) WHO CARES!!!! He is a fighter training the team he deserves it


He carried the UFC in its darkest years, Im sure youve heard it before but its true. He is the first personality and superstar the UFC ever had. If it wasnt for him the UFC would be shit. I say give him waht ever the fuck he wants.

[maxx]

What's this?

team punishment.

wow kristian got beasted on lol. haha. i love shit talkers who get beasted on. never fuck with a man with kids on the line. its like a burst meter.

its all about next week. the moment we've been waiting for.

[RockBogart]

Tnak Abbot went to WCW and got beat by Goldberg. I mean Goldberg's no slouch he does have a martial arts back ground and has trained with Tito off and on.

[maxx]

Tnak Abbot went to WCW and got beat by Goldberg. I mean Goldberg's no slouch he does have a martial arts back ground and has trained with Tito off and on.

yet lands a kick that ends hart lol. no slouch..but sloppy.

[Airthrow]

team punishment.

No, I know his team name is team punishment...what was it before that he changed so he could sell t-shirts?

[Plutoburn]

I will adress these points that are errorness,
1.)He faught chuck and anyone else they put in front of him, If Rampage was Nomber 1 and tito wouldnt fight him people would understand....then imagine Rampage turning his back on camera cause of all the fat cats pulling strings
2.)Tito wanted to paid more money for putting his carreer every fight on the line, youi may not like or understand why boxers make so much money but uts a short lived carrer and Tito can be looked at as a person who stood up for proper treatment
3.)he is one of the most humble in defeat, and his "post fight antics" are funny, have a fucking sense of humor. The shit he did that crossed the line was when he was really young.
4.)You are so cinical it makes me sick, waht if he did though? What if he did change the name of his team for his clothing line(since you know for a fact!) WHO CARES!!!! He is a fighter training the team he deserves it


He carried the UFC in its darkest years, Im sure youve heard it before but its true. He is the first personality and superstar the UFC ever had. If it wasnt for him the UFC would be shit. I say give him waht ever the fuck he wants.

1. He openly said in many interviews that the money he was offered to fight Chuck wasn't worth their friendship, while Chuck maintained that there was a loose training relationship, but it was all business and he never consider Tito a real friend.

2. If he was unwilling to honor his contract, he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Rich Franklin is getting paid in peanuts right now, even though he is a dominating champ in a legitimate division (unlike the UFC HW) and is a face of UFC. Ace signed the contract knowing the trade off for low pay is a big push in publicity (ESPN Beyond the glory, The Ultimate Fighter coach, UFC all-access, etc...), Tito pretty much got the same treatment (maybe not to that extend, but with the same effort UFC could at the time), so after he got famous, he hijiacked UFC by demanding a lot more money than the contract he agreed to. That's what an opportunistic greedy dishonest act in a business relationship is.

3. Only one instance in his career has he shown respect, that's when Couture beat him to get the title. He acts like an ass most other times, that's why when he fights in UFC59. in Anaheim, his own backyard, and still gets booed.

4. Get your head out of Tito's ass, just because you participate in a show doesn't give you unlimited plug for your own merchandise. There was a reason the name doesn't come from a brainstorm session by the coach. Don't be stupid.

[MAGUS1234]

I let you have last word on the matter since we just differ in opinions and some of the accusations, WE dont actually know anything about.....just speculation.

BUT, this guy who comes into my work often is gonna be the ref at strike force...:)
I need to bug him about some cheap tickets!
RANDELLMAN VS VITOR!!!!! who is officially washed up?

my scratch is on Randelplex!

[MvC2fanatic]

Wow, Tito's feeling alot of hate right now.

Some of it I understand, but not the level that it's at.

He just seems to me like an intelligent fighter that trys to get the best he can for himself.

He earned himself a name in the ufc and just tried to make as much money as he could from that name. I wouldn't sign a contract either if I thought I could get more money if I wait. (It's just that the others aren't like him)


But most of the hate comes from the mistakes he's made. He was fucken brash and

arrogant, and when he beat Guy Metzger, he totally did it the wrong way, pissed

off the wrong people, especially Shamrock.

And now he's really feeling cause Ken won't quit until he gets Tito.

[Airthrow]

I let you have last word on the matter since we just differ in opinions and some of the accusations, WE dont actually know anything about.....just speculation.

BUT, this guy who comes into my work often is gonna be the ref at strike force...:)
I need to bug him about some cheap tickets!
RANDELLMAN VS VITOR!!!!! who is officially washed up?

my scratch is on Randelplex!

Vitor just recently KOd someone in a pro-boxing match in under a minute, could "Old vitor" be back? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AS IF I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO EVER BELIEVE IN VITOR BELFORT. :rofl:

[MAGUS1234]

Vitor just recently KOd someone in a pro-boxing match in under a minute, could "Old vitor" be back? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AS IF I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO EVER BELIEVE IN VITOR BELFORT. :rofl:
ya Vitor constantly breaks hearts......I have absolutely no faith in him....even vs the most inconsistant fighter Vitor is destined to lose :sad:

[Sexperienced.]

Tito beat Griffin, Period. What the hell is wrong with mma fans?

[BornAgainCommunist]

Rich franklin and Ken Shamrock: Proof that being a great fighter does not necessarily mean you'll make a good *coach/teacher* as well.

uhh...did you see the ZYYAANCE commercial?
Those were some mad teachin skills.
--------------------------------------
Matt Hughes' commercial is one of the most hilarious things I have ever seen.
Listen to the tone in his voice when he says...

" Dum Dimes... I don eeva halve time fo-da Beeiig Cuntilly Bwekfist "

[Plutoburn]

Vitor just recently KOd someone in a pro-boxing match in under a minute, could "Old vitor" be back? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AS IF I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO EVER BELIEVE IN VITOR BELFORT. :rofl:

Most thought that Vitor's decline was due to his missing sister, the real reason is his wife.

I know if I got a wife like that, I would be exhausted everyday.

[Stevie White]

Most thought that Vitor's decline was due to his missing sister, the real reason is his wife.

I know if I got a wife like that, I would be exhausted everyday.

QFT - She's one of the hottest things walking. Gotta wonder where we would be right now if Belfort had gotten the nod over Ortiz last time they fought. huh?

[Cool-Breeze]

1. He openly said in many interviews that the money he was offered to fight Chuck wasn't worth their friendship, while Chuck maintained that there was a loose training relationship, but it was all business and he never consider Tito a real friend.

2. If he was unwilling to honor his contract, he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Rich Franklin is getting paid in peanuts right now, even though he is a dominating champ in a legitimate division (unlike the UFC HW) and is a face of UFC. Ace signed the contract knowing the trade off for low pay is a big push in publicity (ESPN Beyond the glory, The Ultimate Fighter coach, UFC all-access, etc...), Tito pretty much got the same treatment (maybe not to that extend, but with the same effort UFC could at the time), so after he got famous, he hijiacked UFC by demanding a lot more money than the contract he agreed to. That's what an opportunistic greedy dishonest act in a business relationship is.

3. Only one instance in his career has he shown respect, that's when Couture beat him to get the title. He acts like an ass most other times, that's why when he fights in UFC59. in Anaheim, his own backyard, and still gets booed.

4. Get your head out of Tito's ass, just because you participate in a show doesn't give you unlimited plug for your own merchandise. There was a reason the name doesn't come from a brainstorm session by the coach. Don't be stupid.

Wait Wait Wait A minute.
This man Tears his ACL and you STILL WANT him to fight a guy who we all know naturally hates the man, and the feelings are mutual???
THis aint WWE where you can avoid an injury but still wreslte it out, these are trained fighters bra, you dont think Ken Shamrock WOULDN'T take advantage of his injury in the fight???
Exspecially when the date set for the fight Tito would be nowhere NEAR a full recovery, I posted before after surgery man it takes 6 months too a year for rehab man and thats for sports alone. He is a fighter and young at that, why put your future on the line for money that will be there later???

Your Pissed because Tito wanted more money, well look at the state UFC was in before Tito made a name for himself???
Look at the State UFC was in before Tito's Attitude, Brash and Cockiness was inserted???

Now do a little comaprison here. If you ever watched wrestling Stone Cold Steve Austin was at the FOR FRONT of the then WWF's Attitude era, He wanted more money and asked for it for the next 8 years, Look at WWE now, do you feel he DIDN'T deserve the higher pay??? Look at WWE now, Stone Cold is a house hold name and he no longer wrestles for them.

TiTo from what I remember was under a 8 to 10 fight deal with UFC AFTER they basically said "Oh were on National T.V. now, we got Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, Arvloski, Griffen, Bonner etc. So fuck your Higher pay rate and what you did for us in the past we no longer need you".
TiTo left for the WWE, but UFC Asked for his return, He was going to get into wrestling PERIOD but UFC wanted him back it wasn't ALL the other way around, if that contract he signed before he went into the WWE is still Valid they have 8 more or 6 more fights out of TiTO so why complain, Shamrock TiTO WILL HAPPEN again so what it will be a few months later, its not his fault they cant get anyone else exciting enough in the ring to wow the crowd :annoy:

[maxx]

Cool-Breeze:actually tito left the ufc and was gonna start his own mma fed...it fell through.
wwe came looking for tito..tito didnt look for the wwe. tna started up and he went there a few times but nothing to really say i wanna join wrestling..more like a feeling out process. better exposure especially if ur gonna start up a brand new mma fed. bring in the pro-wrestling crowd.

[ShadowHawkv2]

Most thought that Vitor's decline was due to his missing sister, the real reason is his wife.

I know if I got a wife like that, I would be exhausted everyday.

Is this her?http://zengrappling.com/Vitors%20wife.jpeg
if so, hell yea hes exhausted

PS can we no longer post pix on this forum? Cause i couldnt find the shortcut for posting a pic on the toolbar menu when posting a reply

[Cool-Breeze]

Cool-Breeze:actually tito left the ufc and was gonna start his own mma fed...it fell through.
wwe came looking for tito..tito didnt look for the wwe. tna started up and he went there a few times but nothing to really say i wanna join wrestling..more like a feeling out process. better exposure especially if ur gonna start up a brand new mma fed. bring in the pro-wrestling crowd.

Yea I know I wasnt saying he Turned his back on them but he wanted what he was worth at the time and he was worth the money, If Vince McMahon chases you, you must be doing something right at that point and time.

TNA didnt work out because of the people he was in storyline with Nash vs Jarrett
Remember Nash wasnt even cleared for his return PPV match with Jarrett and thats how they had the shit where Rhyno won the title, so that left TNA and TiTo in limbo he got his moeny for what he was SUPPOSED to do and bounced cause they had no direction.

Either way UFC acted like he wasnt worth the money or like he didnt do anything while he was there and thats not fair. A Torn ACL is a serious injury because if treated wrong in anyway it could leave you inactive in terms of sports activities for life. I wouldnt take the risk and Dana with his girlish ass name needs to shut his ass up unless he is getting in the ring himself soon.

[Plutoburn]

Wait Wait Wait A minute.
This man Tears his ACL and you STILL WANT him to fight a guy who we all know naturally hates the man, and the feelings are mutual???
THis aint WWE where you can avoid an injury but still wreslte it out, these are trained fighters bra, you dont think Ken Shamrock WOULDN'T take advantage of his injury in the fight???
Exspecially when the date set for the fight Tito would be nowhere NEAR a full recovery, I posted before after surgery man it takes 6 months too a year for rehab man and thats for sports alone. He is a fighter and young at that, why put your future on the line for money that will be there later???

Your Pissed because Tito wanted more money, well look at the state UFC was in before Tito made a name for himself???
Look at the State UFC was in before Tito's Attitude, Brash and Cockiness was inserted???

Now do a little comaprison here. If you ever watched wrestling Stone Cold Steve Austin was at the FOR FRONT of the then WWF's Attitude era, He wanted more money and asked for it for the next 8 years, Look at WWE now, do you feel he DIDN'T deserve the higher pay??? Look at WWE now, Stone Cold is a house hold name and he no longer wrestles for them.

TiTo from what I remember was under a 8 to 10 fight deal with UFC AFTER they basically said "Oh were on National T.V. now, we got Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, Arvloski, Griffen, Bonner etc. So fuck your Higher pay rate and what you did for us in the past we no longer need you".
TiTo left for the WWE, but UFC Asked for his return, He was going to get into wrestling PERIOD but UFC wanted him back it wasn't ALL the other way around, if that contract he signed before he went into the WWE is still Valid they have 8 more or 6 more fights out of TiTO so why complain, Shamrock TiTO WILL HAPPEN again so what it will be a few months later, its not his fault they cant get anyone else exciting enough in the ring to wow the crowd :annoy:

lol, can you read, I was talking about the time when Tito was the champ, and Chuck had been #1 contender for years. His ACL was fine back then. No one was forcing him to fight with injuries, he ducked Chuck for years, why do you think Chuck won 7 straight times in UFC without a title shot. Shamrock didn't pussy out of a fight with Tito even though his ACL was torn, but that's the fighter's choice. Injuries wasn't relevant to the situation at the time.

It's not about wanting more money, it's about honoring your contract. Like I said, you wanted more money, you should have negotiated a better contract, if you signed on the dotted line, you are in a binding contract. What's the point of having a contract if you can bolt whenever you want.

If UFC was willing to let Tito go instead of granting him the money he was asking for, then it means UFC feel that they'd lose more by signing Tito to his terms, which means he is asking for more than he is worth. And reality is, UFC flourished even without Tito, the HW division is a mess, but LHW is competitive, MW has a new face they can push in Franklin, UFC WW is by far the best WW division in the world, and they are staring LW division, so your wrestling analogy is not entirely accurate.

[Sheng-Long]

Is this her?http://zengrappling.com/Vitors%20wife.jpeg
if so, hell yea hes exhausted

PS can we no longer post pix on this forum? Cause i couldnt find the shortcut for posting a pic on the toolbar menu when posting a reply

google = "Victorai Prado" (her original last name before she married Belfort)

She was in the Brazillian edition of Playboy so that should be faptastic.

PS.
RE: Image attachment, only the Image Mishmash section now has attachment function (also for Premium members)

[Plutoburn]

Her wife in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqv_Dpa8kM&search=prado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epS-aWAsSSc&search=prado

[Cool-Breeze]

lol, can you read, I was talking about the time when Tito was the champ, and Chuck had been #1 contender for years. His ACL was fine back then. No one was forcing him to fight with injuries, he ducked Chuck for years, why do you think Chuck won 7 straight times in UFC without a title shot. Shamrock didn't pussy out of a fight with Tito even though his ACL was torn, but that's the fighter's choice. Injuries wasn't relevant to the situation at the time.

It's not about wanting more money, it's about honoring your contract. Like I said, you wanted more money, you should have negotiated a better contract, if you signed on the dotted line, you are in a binding contract. What's the point of having a contract if you can bolt whenever you want.

If UFC was willing to let Tito go instead of granting him the money he was asking for, then it means UFC feel that they'd lose more by signing Tito to his terms, which means he is asking for more than he is worth. And reality is, UFC flourished even without Tito, the HW division is a mess, but LHW is competitive, MW has a new face they can push in Franklin, UFC WW is by far the best WW division in the world, and they are staring LW division, so your wrestling analogy is not entirely accurate.

Can you read is the question... Read my first post on this same page then respond. What is your point here??
TiTo should fight anyway Because Rich Franklin is champion and gets paid less???
SO FREEGIN WHAT thats his fault for not pushing for more money BUT... HE also did not do for UFC WHAT TITO DID while he was FUll time, TiTo's antics,TiTo's fights,TiTo's Promos, Got UFC on T.V. again. (Not just Tito but you see where im going)
The Networks saw what he was doing as entertainment and not just violence. WWE has excelled off of the same style SPORTS and ENTERTAINMENT, The NFL was similer when people like T.O., Johnson, Steve Smith would do there endzone dances, its entertainment, if you look at network spots you will see the ratings rise for those small things, and the networks feast on that.

Plain and simple when the UFC was thought to be to brutal for television TiTo was exciting,Brash and Cocky and he brought eyes BACK to UFC, He earned that money whether its threw his fights or threw his mouth either way UFC is in a better state due to TiTo's success.

Hell once TiTo beat down Ken, people from Pride Fight wanted to fight Ken more cause they saw weakness, I even saw Chuck get raped by Rampage on Pride fight after he had his fight with TiTo, they showed it on FOX SPORTS NET like 2 weeks ago so dont say TiTo didnt do shit for UFC cause thats bull shit and if you feel that way you must ONLY be a UFC fan who has been watching since it got on SPIKE T.V. which basically means you know nothing.

[MvC2fanatic]

Shamrock is a piss poor fucking coach. This is on top of being a sorry ass at picking

teams. Snaggle tooth might have won with better training, but ken just told him to

go in there and duke it out, and now one random knee to head and its over.

[Servebot]

yeah after all that trash talk dude goes down like that, WOW. Shamrock's team is goin down the drain. Funniest thing after the fight the dude was on the floor like " Who won the fight? "

[BEWD]

yeah after all that trash talk dude goes down like that, WOW. Shamrock's team is goin down the drain. Funniest thing after the fight the dude was on the floor like " Who won the fight? "

Man, fuck Team Shamrock, what the fuck are they here for, dropping one after another.

[soup or man]

I think if you have to ask "Who won?" You probably lost.

It's too bad we won't get to see Tito and Ken going at it. I wonder how many more confrontations they'll have before the end of the show.

[Serp's Attorney]

I think if you have to ask "Who won?" You probably lost.

It's too bad we won't get to see Tito and Ken going at it. I wonder how many more confrontations they'll have before the end of the show.

It was kinda pathetic. Shamrock is an awful coach, and right now he's not even a good fighter either. His ship has sailed. He tried to motivate his team, but it just made him look even dumber, and Tito got the upper hand. They're both stupid though. Tito thought he actually made Shamrock angry, whereas Shamrock actually thought nobody noticed how dumb his ploy was, and it didn't even work anyway.

Next season will probably be Arlovski and Silvia I guess, since they'll obviously want to set up that rematch somewhere down the line. Or maybe Lidell against Tito. Shamrock should just go away. When's the last time the guy even won a match?

[blood_sin]

I don't think Arlovski is the coaching type.

[turdburger]

The lamest thing about Solomon losing is that there isn't going to be any more Team Dagger stuff. It was easily the funniest thing about the show. Dagger! Dagger! Dagger!

[LimeGreenPatato]

I heard it was gsp and silvia...but who knows.

Solomon actually looked pretty good, i was hoping he was going to win. Then he got hit with the ugliest kick i have ever seen. That was brutal....it must have got him in the right spot though.

[Airthrow]

I don't think Arlovski is the coaching type.

Arlovski's english is not good enough for the show yet. (Used to box at Jabb in Chicago where he did his boxing training).

[Plutoburn]

Can you read is the question... Read my first post on this same page then respond. What is your point here??
TiTo should fight anyway Because Rich Franklin is champion and gets paid less???
SO FREEGIN WHAT thats his fault for not pushing for more money BUT... HE also did not do for UFC WHAT TITO DID while he was FUll time, TiTo's antics,TiTo's fights,TiTo's Promos, Got UFC on T.V. again. (Not just Tito but you see where im going)
The Networks saw what he was doing as entertainment and not just violence. WWE has excelled off of the same style SPORTS and ENTERTAINMENT, The NFL was similer when people like T.O., Johnson, Steve Smith would do there endzone dances, its entertainment, if you look at network spots you will see the ratings rise for those small things, and the networks feast on that.

Plain and simple when the UFC was thought to be to brutal for television TiTo was exciting,Brash and Cocky and he brought eyes BACK to UFC, He earned that money whether its threw his fights or threw his mouth either way UFC is in a better state due to TiTo's success.

Hell once TiTo beat down Ken, people from Pride Fight wanted to fight Ken more cause they saw weakness, I even saw Chuck get raped by Rampage on Pride fight after he had his fight with TiTo, they showed it on FOX SPORTS NET like 2 weeks ago so dont say TiTo didnt do shit for UFC cause thats bull shit and if you feel that way you must ONLY be a UFC fan who has been watching since it got on SPIKE T.V. which basically means you know nothing.

What kind of a retort is this... you don't even make sense and not really addressing my points. And trying to put words in my mouth by saying things like "so dont say TiTo didnt do shit for UFC" And for the record, I am more a pridefc fan than a UFC fan even though I like both, so don't presume shit you don't know. When your source of MMA is FSN, then you know you are fucked.

[Airthrow]

I heard it was gsp and silvia...but who knows.

Solomon actually looked pretty good, i was hoping he was going to win. Then he got hit with the ugliest kick i have ever seen. That was brutal....it must have got him in the right spot though.

He looked good only in that he was defending from a shitload of sub attempts from the guard, he didn't do very much for having dominant position the whole first round and I'm pretty sure in Pride judging if the entire fight went like that he would lose the decision. I saw tons of triangle and armbar attempts.


Anyways, the fights this season are WAYYYYY better, and the last two especially prove that this season has more crosstrained athletes than before. Season 3 so far IMO is the best yet.

[soup or man]

I was really hoping Rory would give Solomon a DAGGER after his victory. Shamrock's running out of scrubs, the next few battles show be awesome.

[Nando]

You guys know that these foos try out for spots on the show....like Surviver and that shit.
UFC is just for the ratings.
Shits like video games.

[LimeGreenPatato]

He looked good only in that he was defending from a shitload of sub attempts from the guard, he didn't do very much for having dominant position the whole first round and I'm pretty sure in Pride judging if the entire fight went like that he would lose the decision. I saw tons of triangle and armbar attempts.


Anyways, the fights this season are WAYYYYY better, and the last two especially prove that this season has more crosstrained athletes than before. Season 3 so far IMO is the best yet.

Yeah, i don 't think any of the fights have went past the first round, everyone has been finished so far.

[Nagata Lock II]

This particular season is a testament to how preparation is so crucial to success. Shamrock has fighters that should have won their fights (Solomon is a prime example) but they simply weren't prepared as well as they should be. I can't get over how much cardio has played a role in the fights this year. Tito's team are cardio machines. They simply don't gas out while Shamrock's guys look like they want to keel over and die after 2 minutes. I can totally envision Team Punishment sweeping the rest of the fights except for maybe the Ed fight. It doesn't make for competitive TV but at least it's a realistic look at how things go when you're prepared/not prepared.

[maxx]

You guys know that these foos try out for spots on the show....like Surviver and that shit.
UFC is just for the ratings.
Shits like video games.

its not like surivivor try outs..since survivor you send a tape in..they haave the try outs live for this. the one for this season was held in massachusetts. its not like these people had rediculously ugly records only ugly record i could tell was the british guy ya know...asshole.

[Cool-Breeze]

So has there been a replacement match posted due to TiTo nolonger wanting to beat on the old man anymore??

Also I see this show and Im loving how in the begining people dissed Ortiz for the guys he chose, now you look at him and his team and he seems to be or look as if he is a great trainer and coach. (This is compared to Shamrock of course)

Anyways so whats everyone's votes on the Undefeated Shamrock Killer vs the Greatest WelterWeight in the UFC today??

[MAGUS1234]

So has there been a replacement match posted due to TiTo nolonger wanting to beat on the old man anymore??

Also I see this show and Im loving how in the begining people dissed Ortiz for the guys he chose, now you look at him and his team and he seems to be or look as if he is a great trainer and coach. (This is compared to Shamrock of course)

Anyways so whats everyone's votes on the Undefeated Shamrock Killer vs the Greatest WelterWeight in the UFC today??
Hughes match is all hype, it wont be longer than 2 min. Its a means to bring back some of the old mysticism the UFC had.

If Gracie wins, it will be the biggest upset of the year. Colemen-Shogun status.
Tito is still fighting.

[Nagata Lock II]

Is Tito fighting 100% again? I thought it was a touch and go subject. From what I understand, Griffen is the stand in assuming Ortiz can't fight so either way Shamrock is fighting someone.

As for Hughes vs Gracie, not only is that match all hype, it's not even good hype. They still haven't sold out the show (a very bad sign in a new market that is supposed to be a hotbed like LA) and ticketmaster is selling the tickets and discounted prices as of two days ago.

Personally I never saw why UFC would run this match. Either Hughes throws Gracie around and exposes a legend as no longer being able to go (see Shamrock vs Ortiz) or Hughes gets upset by a guy that barely fights any longer and looks like a shitty champion, killing the drawing power of St. :Pierre vs Hughes. Where's the upside to this thing?

[Cool-Breeze]

Hughes match is all hype, it wont be longer than 2 min. Its a means to bring back some of the old mysticism the UFC had.

If Gracie wins, it will be the biggest upset of the year. Colemen-Shogun status.
Tito is still fighting.

So wait the Shamrock vs Ortiz battle is now back on???
I thought Someone posted due to his injury he was backing out of the match???

Anyways yea man Im going to miss team dagger, but Sol got what he deserved, he talked entirally to much crap, he got the fight he wanted and never protected himself.
The fight went pretty much like the both of them said it would, Rory attempted to set him up for the Triangle several times, and his holding him behind the neck with Sol on top gave time to wear the man down.

Sad part about it is, not only did he lose to who he thought was the weaker fighter, the weaker fight knocked his shit talking ass out LoL now thats the shit.

So who do you guys think ED is going to fight?
And when he does fight, will this years Ultimate Fighter suck if he loses as well??

[Serp's Attorney]

i think Hughes is going to destroy Gracie, but I thought there was more hype for this. I'm surprised this thing isn't sold out yet. I'm going to try to get tickets. I live only about 2 hours away from LA.

[soup or man]

Ticketmaster.com has them at a bargain basement price of $1,000.

[Serp's Attorney]

Ticketmaster.com has them at a bargain basement price of $1,000.

What a great discount. I think I know why its not sold out now.

[MAGUS1234]

Tito vs ken is back on......been so for about a weak and a half I believe.(another one sided beatdown)

I really dont like these "legend" vs Actuall good fighter matches. I actually prefer Zulu vs Fedor type matches more.

At least when Fedor KO's some can noone cares about, it reassures us why he is a badass. Watching a legend get torn up is just sad, whatever happened to retireing gracefully?

[maxx]

tito vs shamrock is sooo wack. we saw last time...and if the ultimate fighter is any indication..he hasnt learned a damn thing.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Is Tito fighting 100% again? I thought it was a touch and go subject. From what I understand, Griffen is the stand in assuming Ortiz can't fight so either way Shamrock is fighting someone.

As for Hughes vs Gracie, not only is that match all hype, it's not even good hype. They still haven't sold out the show (a very bad sign in a new market that is supposed to be a hotbed like LA) and ticketmaster is selling the tickets and discounted prices as of two days ago.

Personally I never saw why UFC would run this match. Either Hughes throws Gracie around and exposes a legend as no longer being able to go (see Shamrock vs Ortiz) or Hughes gets upset by a guy that barely fights any longer and looks like a shitty champion, killing the drawing power of St. :Pierre vs Hughes. Where's the upside to this thing?

Where was the upside to forrest/tito? You have one guy making a comeback and the other one is your poster boy from tuf 1, that match makes no sense to me. The only reason it worked is because everyone loves forrest win or lose....maybe dana anticpated that...who knows. Maybe he knows something we don't for gracie/ hughes.

Is tito/shamrock back on for sure? I've heard alot of people say that, but i haven't seen a confirmed source yet. Also are they doing it in july still, or did they move it to august. Basically tito wanted out of the july fight, because it's going to take him at the minimum 6 weeks to heal his knee....then he only had 6 weeks to train and he said that wasn't enough. So...i'm still not really sure whats going on.

[Nagata Lock II]

Where was the upside to forrest/tito? You have one guy making a comeback and the other one is your poster boy from tuf 1, that match makes no sense to me. The only reason it worked is because everyone loves forrest win or lose....maybe dana anticpated that...who knows. Maybe he knows something we don't for gracie/ hughes.
There was a HUGE upside to Ortiz vs Griffen. If Griffen won, he's automatically gets upgraded into the title hunt. The fans are hugely behind the guy and he'd have the credibility having taken down Ortiz. If Griffen loses, it only establishes that he lost to a huge UFC figure anyway and that he needs more seasoning. Big deal... everyone thought that going into the fight anyway. Now as for Ortiz, if he wins, it just reasserts that he's a great fighter. However, if he loses, it doesn't hurt him because he's got the Shamrock fight regardless (only making Shamrock look that much more credible as someone who can beat Ortiz) so UFC is going to make their money either way. Trust me, Ortiz vs Griffen was a total win/win situation for UFC.

[LimeGreenPatato]

There was a HUGE upside to Ortiz vs Griffen. If Griffen won, he's automatically gets upgraded into the title hunt. The fans are hugely behind the guy and he'd have the credibility having taken down Ortiz. If Griffen loses, it only establishes that he lost to a huge UFC figure anyway and that he needs more seasoning. Big deal... everyone thought that going into the fight anyway. Now as for Ortiz, if he wins, it just reasserts that he's a great fighter. However, if he loses, it doesn't hurt him because he's got the Shamrock fight regardless (only making Shamrock look that much more credible as someone who can beat Ortiz) so UFC is going to make their money either way. Trust me, Ortiz vs Griffen was a total win/win situation for UFC.

I guess it's a good thing he lost then.....man forrest vs chuck would not be a pretty sight.

I think the shamrock fight is worse for tito than anything.....imagine if he loses that fight? Seriously does anyone take shamrock seriously anymore...and i'm talking before TUF aired. And if his rep wasn't bad enough....the show is totally making him look like a joke. So if he came out and beat tito.......i'd like to see tito try to ask for more money after that. And the thing is, he's got nothing to gain....beat up shamrock that you've already beat, and everyone thinks is a joke. That's not going to move you anywhere.

[fishjie]

does anyone else feel sorry for ken shamrock? the part where he says: "I've failed my team miserably" it looked like he was on the verge of breaking out in tears.

[maxx]

does anyone else feel sorry for ken shamrock? the part where he says: "I've failed my team miserably" it looked like he was on the verge of breaking out in tears.
why should we feel sorry. he failed soo horribly..its his own fault.

-didnt train them hard till very late

-brought in a nutritionist/bodybuilder..instead of grappling coach..when he flat out said he didnt know much grappling..and that he's a brawler. What the fuck do you do when your not a brawler...you want a complete fighter not a half assed fighter.

-took fucking days off...on a mma reality show

-he failed in every possible avenue

fuck shamrock...tito's gonna burn him hard.

[Nagata Lock II]

I can't say as I feel sorry for Shamrock. He works with a lot of other fighters already and knows how to be a coach. He either doesn't much care about these guys or the way they've edited the show was to put him in a poor light. Either way, it's not very good for UFC in the big picture.

I'm not sure what they look to gain by making Shamrock look stupid when they need him to headline a fight in a few months. Ortiz vs Shamrock II won't have nearly the drawing power of the first fight and now they're making Shamrock look like a joke on top of it. The hate between the two guys is still there but who really cares? Tito made him look DUMB in their first fight and I see no reason that will change this go around. Shamrock is still older and getting older. He's still not a complete fighter and I don't think he's willing to learn new stuff at this point in his career. Ortiz will dissect him a second go around and that will truly be the end of Ken Shamrock in high profile matches.

[maxx]

sweet christ shamrock fucking knock someone out and show em who's the alpha dog!

god shamrock is a bitch in this show.

[maxx]

DANA: his g/f of 6 months thinks he's cheating on him....I DONT GIVE A FUCK

haha classic. quote of the night people.

[turdburger]

Dana White got a whole bunch of cool points tonight.

[BEWD]

DANA: his g/f of 6 months thinks he's cheating on him....I DONT GIVE A FUCK

haha classic. quote of the night people.

Really though, as much as I wanted to feel bad for the guy, the fact he pissed all over the chance at a 6 figure contract when so many tried out over his 6 month gf accusing him is just...ugh.

[maxx]

Really though, as much as I wanted to feel bad for the guy, the fact he pissed all over the chance at a 6 figure contract when so many tried out over his 6 month gf accusing him is just...ugh.

ur gonna feel for a guy 6 month g/f dude...he could have gotten soooo much pussy. but he just pretty much threw away free pussy.

[Lucretz]

Was that Danny guy really on the show at all up to this point? Cuz I seriously don't think I'd fucking seen him once before. Also, I think he has a crush on big deaf Matt. <3

No fight this week sucks dick, but next week's will supposeably be pretty good. At least that's how they made it look. I'm hoping they bring Samson back just for the sheer entertainment factor he brings in. The show isn't the same without Team Dagger. : <

[LimeGreenPatato]

Seriously that guy just ruined his chance to ever make the UFC. Dana is never going to take him now

[Nando]

its not like surivivor try outs..since survivor you send a tape in..they haave the try outs live for this. the one for this season was held in massachusetts. its not like these people had rediculously ugly records only ugly record i could tell was the british guy ya know...asshole.
Don't have to call me names.

[soup or man]

Bleh. You know who they're bringing back? I'd put my money on Jesse. He's the one who lost to Noah, and it was a general concensus that Noah got lucky on that one. I hate Jesse, I can't believe that he's coming back.

So I'm curious. Do you think that the TUF editors are doing some creative editing on the Shamrock parts? Like, maybe his team actually is full of injuries. You keep hearing the guys on Team Shamrock talking about it, but you never actually see anybody limping around or visitng a hospital. I mean, I can't imagine why they'd want to show Shamrock in a negative light as a coach, but that's something to think about anyway.

Not having a fight completely sucked this week. The show is more of a reality program this year moreso than any other, so at least it could carry it's own weight, but I think everybody is basically watching to see the fight at the end. Remember the first season when guys would be eliminated without even fighting?

[KillerKai]

I guarantee it's Jesse.

And Noah is fucking pussy whipped. Let me get this straight, you have a chance of a lifetime to realize your dream. And you're going to be away from home for about another two weeks at most. Suddenly, your girlfriend of 6 months (well, a lot can happen in 6 months, so let's ignore this for now) writes you a letter and is pissed at you because she THINKS you MIGHT be cheating on her and now you want to go home? I say bring Noah's girlfriend as the replacement because she seriously has more balls than he does.

[Serp's Attorney]

I'd take that bet against you guys. I thought it would be Jesse too at first, but, it doesn't really make much sense to me. Noah is on the opposite team that Jesse was on, doesn't it make more sense to replace Noah with one of his eliminated teammates? I think some people might get their wish, and Team Dagger will reform!

Jeez, Noah is really a *** though. What a drama queen. You thought somebody in his family must have died or something, but instead it's this random bullshit. One of the other guys was right "yeah, this happened to me...back when I was 18." I mean c'mon man, you can't hold out for 2 weeks? This girl is probably banging someone on the side. When a girl accuses you of cheating, 9/10 times it's because she's cheating herself, and by blaming you she's going to take the focus off of her. Why else do you randomly accuse someone of cheating? What kind of shitty relationship is that? She's going to dump his ass anyway, no matter what he says to her. I almost wish they'd follow up on this, but it's all but guaranteed that we won't hear how it turns out.

[turdburger]

I really doubt its going to be Sol. The logic behind this is that Noah was a light heavyweight and Sol was a middleweight. This would throw off the numbers. I think they should have Jessie and Christian fight for the replacement spot, it would be a little more fair that way since they both lost.

[Cool-Breeze]

I think its Jesse as well.

But more importantlly, Do you guys all think the Deaf kid is truly cocky??
I thought he was just confident in his skill of wrestling.
Also I think he hits harder due to the fact that he cannot always hear his surroundings and wasn't trained to LIGHTEN UP during training.

[maxx]

he still hasnt come off as cocky to me.

[KillerKai]

matt seems more oblivious than cocky to me.

and it's Jesse because what better way to punish the pussy and his team by bringing back the guy he beat? Reuniting team dagger wouldn't make sense simply because Solomon is in a different weight class than Noah. Also, you need to look at their reactions. All of Team Shamrock went apeshit. Tito was indifferent. Bisping looked pretty upset. Jesse is the only one that might make Bisping upset since he could outwrestle him.

[Alex]

People complain when the def kid throws up his arms after defending a take down, but does he really do it as a mini celebration? Seems to me like its a thing that wrestlers do when they want to show the ref and the oponent they want a clean break and wont sucker punch anyone.

[BornAgainCommunist]

Nobody wants to looks like an asshole making fun of a deaf kid on TV, they are trying to become stars or whatever....So I Think there is probably truth to the Deaf kid hating, he is probably an asshole.

[MeanGreen]

Dagger Dagger Dagger !!!!

[Brodieman]

i think the def kid might be an asshole too. i got my g/f to watch the show yesterday. she liked the def guy right off. they are not stupid they know they have people all over america like that. so why show him as an asshole, but then again who really knows ,but the people there. i bet they saved him this long for the people who like him tho too.

[shinobidj]

i actually place more blame on the producers of the show on the noah incident than noah himself. if they aren't allowed to have contact with the outside world, why is the world allowed to contact them? really poor judgement on the producers' parts in my opinion. that being said, noah is a biggitty bitch.

[Cool-Breeze]

i actually place more blame on the producers of the show on the noah incident than noah himself. if they aren't allowed to have contact with the outside world, why is the world allowed to contact them? really poor judgement on the producers' parts in my opinion. that being said, noah is a biggitty bitch.

There not in the dungeon dude, I tihnk its fine to recieve a letter from your wife and kids even though your only going to be gone for a month, anything could happen during that time.
Would you like all communication cut off with your family if the rules at EVO said so??
What if you came home to find that your child was hit by a drunk driver and is currently in a coma???
Or if a family member had a bad accident some other kind of way and needed A type of blood and you were the only other person they knew of with that type, but they couldnt contact you because the rules of EVO said so???

Noah is an asshole. No way Im leaving the shot at a six figure contract cause some bitch who already knew I was going to UFC tryouts and other shit and would be gone for a month, got some internet pictures and some fuck ass friend of mine in her ear telling her I cheated in the past (Opps did you all miss that).

Yea I forgot to mention that, he didnt say shit about cheating in CURRENT TIMES, he said she assumed he CHEATED as in past tence, I feel safe to ASSUME he lied about the pictures and shit and ran home like a little bitch, for spite UFC should follow up with this story,send some camera's to his crib towards the end of the season like he just won the home sweepstakes or something, question his monkey ass then make him watch the winner of his weight class get the contract, after that make his ass pay for all the shit they just did. :rofl: :wgrin:

Question that bitch to, do a thourgh background check UFC Private Investigation, see if she was banging out his so called best friend since college or high school LoL and question her ass right in front of him.

[shinobidj]

snip

ummm, what does EVO have to do with this? we're talking about TUF3. dana himself said 'no contact with the outside world', the fighters knew what they were getting themselves into. he also said that if it was a legit emergency, then undoubtedly anyone would be allowed to handle their business. otherwise, everything else is just distractions, as the noah incident so effectively proved. i mean, if the producers were making such a big deal about him making one phone call, why would they let a letter just come through like that.

[maxx]

ummm, what does EVO have to do with this? we're talking about TUF3. dana himself said 'no contact with the outside world', the fighters knew what they were getting themselves into. he also said that if it was a legit emergency, then undoubtedly anyone would be allowed to handle their business. otherwise, everything else is just distractions, as the noah incident so effectively proved. i mean, if the producers were making such a big deal about him making one phone call, why would they let a letter just come through like that.

he's using evo as a basis point so we understand. cause we're not tuf but alot of us can understand evo cause its something we can relate to.

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

wtf, have you guys ever had a girl cheat on you?
all you wanna do is fucking go and see her, i can completely understand this guy

plus, he was also outmatched, i don't think he's stupid. his odds of winning were pretty fucking low, and he was right. if he can't sleep and can only think about his girl, he'll definitely do fucking shitty.

what's this "if his mom is sick" bullshit is dana pulling? the emotional stress of romantic love will always outweight the emotional stress of any other kind of love. except for maybe a mother and her child's. and this could be noah's first girlfriend for all we know

[Stevie White]

Fucking US judges don't know a god damn draw when they see one. It's nights like this that make me hate US athletic commissions and their boxing judges.

[Brodieman]

that guy still gave up the chance of a lifetime because he couldnt wait 2 weeks

[Lucretz]

I couldn't believe that. It didn't really look to me, like Josh had done enough to win the fight.

Also, it does seems strange to me that despite the 'no contact with outside world' policy they seem to have on the show, that they would put a letter like that through. Especially, when it wasn't dealing with a life/death situation that Dana stated he would have no problem with letting someone make a call over. They probably just put it through to cause some drama for the camera.

[tharimrattler]

So is Tait coming back or something? I thought I heard he was the winner of the whole thing...

[LimeGreenPatato]

You heard. I heard gervase won the first suvivor too.

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

lol i think dana just really wanted jesse to be in the show
cuz he's supposed to be hella good, ken's first pick afterall

[LimeGreenPatato]

i hope he loses again

[Plutoburn]

Bisping: You have one week to learn how to grapple.

[tharimrattler]

Last nights fight was kind of weak. Ed may not be all he cracks himself up to be...

[soup or man]

UFC 60:

SPOILER ALERT!!!!








So, in a surprise to nobody, Royce Gracie gets pummeled by Hughes. Anybody else catch a glimpse of the "sold out" crowd in the Staples Center? Last I heard there were almost half of the seats available.

[Cool-Breeze]

Yea mad props to Hughes for defeating Royce Gracie who is now 13-3-3 but I believe he should have snapped that freegin arm once he had the chance LoL.
Gracie was popping good game like Matt had no chance in hell of defeating him but im not saying he deserved that.

I also read that there was some dislike or Controversy with the
Diego Sanchez vs. John Alessio fight.

"The Ultimate Fighter season one middleweight champion Diego Sanchez (Pictures) made his return to the cage for the first time since having to bow out of a March fight because of a serious virus. His opponent, John Alessio (Pictures), waited in the wings until Sanchez was prepared to fight, and behind a stiff jab Saturday evening he appeared to pull off the upset.

However three judges, including New Mexico’s Richard Rochin, who had it three rounds to none for Sanchez, saw it the other way. Rochin was joined by Cecil Peoples (29-28 Sanchez) and another judge who had it the same as Peoples.

Following 15 minutes of slow fighting, the Los Angeles crowd was firmly in Alessio’s corner, despite having just fended off Sanchez who clung to the Canadian’s back like a magnet during the bottom half of round three.

A fairly even — and slow — opening period awaited both fighters, with Alessio counter-grappling and Sanchez continually falling short on takedown attempts. Alessio’s stiff jab paid dividends in round two, as he opened a severe cut over the Albuquerque fighter’s right eye.

Alessio’s mistake in the third of attempting a jumping knee allowed Sanchez to get in deep enough as to cause problems for the first time in the match. Soon, he hung from Alessio like an over-stuffed backpack. Though he effectively used his counters, Alessio was clearly on the defensive on the third, and should have lost the round.

Sherdog.com scored it 29-28 for Alessio, giving Sanchez the third period."


NEXT UP in the OLD vs NEW:
The Huntington Beach Bad Boy Tito Ortiz V.S.
The Worlds Most Dangerous Man Ken Shamrock

I Expect yet another win by ortiz cause Ken is way to emotional when it comes to that man and it clouds his judgement.
Also wasnt it Ken who walked up to Tito after the loss and hugged him???
How you gonna talk such a big game about how much you hate the guy then go hug him after he pummels your ass, then Tito was the bigger man, gave him a hug in return then decided not to branish the hateful t-shirt he and his crew had made to wear after Ken was defeated.

[soup or man]

Is Ortiz v Shamrock back on? I thought Tito couldn't fight and Griffen was going in his place? If it's back on, that's awesome! After watching this season of TUF I really want Tito to destroy him again.

[MvC2fanatic]

I Expect yet another win by ortiz cause Ken is way to emotional when it comes to that man and it clouds his judgement.
Also wasnt it Ken who walked up to Tito after the loss and hugged him???
How you gonna talk such a big game about how much you hate the guy then go hug him after he pummels your ass, then Tito was the bigger man, gave him a hug in return then decided not to branish the hateful t-shirt he and his crew had made to wear after Ken was defeated.


I feel bad for the old man. He's just fighting because tito started talking shit first.

But he's outdated. Someone needs to woop tito's ass though.

[Cool-Breeze]

I feel bad for the old man. He's just fighting because tito started talking shit first.

But he's outdated. Someone needs to woop tito's ass though.

Well actually Tito Never really directed anything towards Ken in general, Ken Shamrock took offense to him shooting at his squad after a great defeat.
Ken also kinda took on the brunt of the war like it was a veterans vesrus youngsters thing.
Ken thought Tito had no respect for the fighters before him and wanted to teach him a lesson... But actually got Taught lol

[Nagata Lock II]

No thoughts on yesterday's show?

I thought Dana White hit it right on the head with "sloppy" for a description. Matt didn't really impress me all that much. He pushed the action but there was no precision in his attack. He also had Mike's back on numerous occasions and couldn't even sink in a Rear Naked Choke. Conditioning looks to have been a factor for him after the first round as well, which is something I didn't see coming.

Are all of Shamrock's guys in shitty cardiovascular shape?

Ken's Middleweights are going to shred the semis.

[MAGUS1234]

Matt needs to suck it up and use the double leg, cause he looked Horrid standing.

[scrub_4_life]

deaf dude could take some shots tho, his was gettin lit left and right and still kept coming,....must be tuff fighting without being able to hear,

[soup or man]

Wonder what's wrong with Matt? Or if there is anything wrong at all. I kinda hope there is, because he looked bad, and it'd be nice to have some kind of excuse.

[De4dEyE]

Hmm, I thought Matt was a wrestler? Was weird to see him standing toe to toe.. though he can take a lot of punishment, it looks like..

[The D Man]

Supposedly he hyperextended one of his arms. He was talking to the trainer befroe the fight saying he wasn't comfortable trying to wrestle with only one arm.

But he still pulled it out. I want to see him fight the English healthy. Now that'd be a fight.

[blood_sin]

That last fight with Matt and the other dude was so awkward. It was like they were both afraid to attack. That tattoo guy was a douchebag. He said he started tattooing before it was popular, which was 12 years ago! Glad he's gone. Especially glad Taint Fletcher is gone too.

[Plutoburn]

UFC 60:

SPOILER ALERT!!!!








So, in a surprise to nobody, Royce Gracie gets pummeled by Hughes. Anybody else catch a glimpse of the "sold out" crowd in the Staples Center? Last I heard there were almost half of the seats available.


It is a suprise to a lot of people how Royce got finished off so quickly. In all of his fight, even one with good fighter such as Sakuraba, it takes a long time to beat him, even though most well-informed MMA fans pick Hughes to win, I personally picked Hughes to win but I thought it'd take a decision to beat Royce, very few expected an ownage of that degree...

As for the attendence, according to some MMA journalist who were there, the cheap seats were sold out, and there are quite a few seats open at the lower bowl (expensive area), so it's probably 80-85% full.

[LimeGreenPatato]

Matt vs mike n was possibly the worst fight i've ever seen on TUF. Mike n is the true definition of a can. That guy fucking sucks. That was the worst display of striking i have ever seen. Anyone with about 2 months of boxing or muay thai or karate or tae kwon doe or fucking any kind of stand up fighting should have been able to tear matt apart. HIs ground game was fucking brutal too.

[soup or man]

I watched this week's ep late. So Matt's gone. I didn't see that one coming. I thought for sure he'd be back. Tait and Kristian are losers x2. I kind of feel like I should root for Ross Pointon now. Dana White could have told him, "Hey, we want you to fight God in the 900lb weight class, and he's going to manifest as a dragon" and he would have said the same thing.

[scrub_4_life]

rory is a bitch all he does it whine i hope ed beats his ass

[Lucretz]

Dana White could have told him, "Hey, we want you to fight God in the 900lb weight class, and he's going to manifest as a dragon" and he would have said the same thing.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yea, I can't believe they both straight up turned him down when given a second chance. Honestly, what the fuck? There's supposed to be on the show cuz it's their drreeaaamm and shit, and they both punk out. It kind of makes the organization and the show look bad, seeing people turn down the opportunity like that.

Thank God for crazy bludgers like Pointon though. Haha. Between Rory and Ed, I don't know, I don't personally like either of them. I think I'll probably expect Ed to win it though.

[Viscant]

I have slightly more empathy for Tait and Kristian than everyone else on the internet. Especially more than Sherdog's forums where they're burning them in effigy. I mean, they both bitched out, but if you combine their excuses, you have a valid one. Just they both have too many mitigating factors.

What Tait said is pretty much dead on. If you've ever prepared yourself for a fight or really any kind of physical competition, you know what he's talking about. If you want to be at your best, you have to be all there mentally. There's a reason that most people who take a fight on 2 days notice or whatever almost always lose, even if they're in great fighting shape. It's a mental preparation that usually takes at least a couple weeks. You have to prepare yourself mentally to take the pain and feel confident that you can last through it. I'm trying really hard not to sound cheesy and be like "you must be one with the experience" but really if your mind isn't locked in, you're at a big disadvantage.
Now having said that, I still think Tait pussied out. Since Dana and everyone else on the show went on record believing that the first fight was even, it should have gone to a rematch where he would have had a clear advantage. IMO, that's why they talked to him first. It just shows that he has no confidence in himself and just wanted the whole thing to be over with.

I empathize a little bit more with Kristian, but I didn't like how he acquitted himself on TV. I'm pretty sure at this point it had only been a couple weeks max of real time between when he got his head bashed in and last week's episode. Maybe as short as 9-10 days. I'm not exactly sure on the timeline and I don't tape the show so I can't check the whole "day xx" to do the math myself.
But anyways, looking at the beating he took and how he was speaking on camera, I'd be surprised if he wasn't concussed. Everyone recovers from concussions differently and there are different levels of concussion, but from someone whose concussion count is in double digits, there's no way in hell I'm going onto the mat to practice a couple weeks after getting rung, much less getting in a cage against a superior opponent. We're talking long term health here. For a better example, think Bret Hart, Troy Aikman or Steve Young. Do NOT under any circumstances get in there if your head isn't right. I'm still not sure if this wasn't still a problem with Matt. Your first one is always kinda tricky also. You never know how someone is going to react after getting that first one...some people are literally NEVER the same. The fear always sticks with them. But anyways.
Now if Kristian would have said that, I would be firmly in his corner. Sometimes you can be "medically cleared" (and I'm sure he was if Dana was asking him if he wanted in) and not be ready to get hit in the head and I'm pretty sure that was the case. But that's not what he said. He said "I don't want to lose twice on TV". That right there just instantly turned me off and made me think "well, maybe his head isn't that bad". Just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Anyways, Ross is going to get crushed, but he just earned himself a job and at least another fight or two with the UFC so good for him. I checked Sherdog and his last fight, Bisping submitted him in 2 minutes and I doubt this one will even make it that far. But he's clearly doing what's best for his career so good for him.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Cool-Breeze]

Wait Wait Wait

Kalib Quit yo???
What in the fuck yo somebody catch me up im on The Ultimate Fighter. TV now but its hella lot to read and its not to understanding.

[The D Man]

The fight with Kalib and Kendall was one of the best UFC fights I've ever seen.

I hadn't seen Kalib fight, since I missed the first episode but the guy's a beast.

I want Kendall to go all the way. That kid is nice. I wish he could bulk up with his 6'6" frame, but middleweight maybe the farthest he can go. He has like no technique or groundskills. He'd probably get eaten up at 205.

[Airthrow]

Kendall no technique or groundskills? What the heck, dude has some moderately good striking (actually his striking is good but not cus of technique, but mostly cus he has no fear of throwing them unlike a lot of so called "strikers"). And he has a decent ground game of attacking and defending. He's got moderate skills all around, but has pure aggression that so many of the Season 2 losers lacked (can you say Rashad?)

I knew from a mile away he was gonna beat what's-his-face (tattoo guy), just from how impressive his first fight was.

[MAGUS1234]

The fight with Kalib and Kendall was one of the best UFC fights I've ever seen.

I hadn't seen Kalib fight, since I missed the first episode but the guy's a beast.

I want Kendall to go all the way. That kid is nice. I wish he could bulk up with his 6'6" frame, but middleweight maybe the farthest he can go. He has like no technique or groundskills. He'd probably get eaten up at 205.

It was an OK fight......TIto just trains and prepares his men so fucking well that they have an answer for everything.

Kedall is a beast though,pretty sloppy but he has a good ability to get out of sticky situations,.

[soup or man]

Wait Wait Wait

Kalib Quit yo???
What in the fuck yo somebody catch me up im on The Ultimate Fighter. TV now but its hella lot to read and its not to understanding.

Here's how it went down. Kendall was getting the better of the standing game. So Kalib took it to the ground, where he was passing Kendall's guard with ease, but not landing any killer blows. Kendall was able to escape and get back to his feet several times, and then punish Kalib with kicks to the body. During a clinch in the second round Kendall hit him right in the ribs with a deadly knee. Right after that, Kalib clutched at his rib, backed off and started saying something (something to the extent of "i just cracked a rib.") and started waving a hand. He looked like he was waiting for the ref to stop the match because of it. Kendall took the opportunity to throw kicks all day. Kendall took the first round, Kalib took the second. The knee in question happened fairly late in the 2nd. The semi-finals are 3 rounds instead of 2, so during the break Kalib was telling Ken that he has a cracked rib, and basically wanted to quit. Beginning of the 3rd round Kalib tries to clinch again, and Kendall lands another shot to the ribs. At this point Kalib grabbed Kendall's shorts for a 3rd (really more like 4th or 5th) time costing himself a point. The ref broke it up to take a point away, and Kalib just walked away waving his hands, saying "that's it."

[scrub_4_life]

The fight with Kalib and Kendall was one of the best UFC fights I've ever seen.

I hadn't seen Kalib fight, since I missed the first episode but the guy's a beast.

I want Kendall to go all the way. That kid is nice. I wish he could bulk up with his 6'6" frame, but middleweight maybe the farthest he can go. He has like no technique or groundskills. He'd probably get eaten up at 205.


I agree, one of the best, kalibs slam on kendal had me thinkin it was gonna be over in the first round,


kendal needs to work on his submissions, I saw so many times he could of had kalib in a guillotine choke it wasnt even funny

[Vejita_x]

bisping better not lose to josh

knee to ross was epic

rory's gone. yay

[soup or man]

I can't believe nobody told Matt he wouldn't be continuing! What a crappy way to find out! He gets there to train and they tell him he's not fighting. Ouch.

Boy, Josh needs some work on that ground game. It was great that he didn't get choked, but if Jesse decided to just pound him when he mounted, it woulda been all over. Everytime Josh got in a good position on the ground, he gave it up. Those stupid leg locks almost lost him the match.

[Nagata Lock II]

Flying Fucking Knee

Good Fucking Game

I agree that Matt really got the shaft on this one. One would figure that his doctor would have told him while he was actually at the doctor's office that he had a concussion and couldn't fight though.

Did anyone else notice shotty editing last night? I doubt many people caught it but I saw Matt's interpreter at the beginning of the ep (which was supposed to be the day before), and knew Matt would have to be showing up as a result.

[soup or man]

Yeah, there was a shot showing Matt in the background icing his elbow and talking to his interpreter. I thought I saw him so I hit the rewind. Sho nuff. Of course that just gave me false hope for Matt making a triumphant return.

[Alex]

I can't believe nobody told Matt he wouldn't be continuing! What a crappy way to find out! He gets there to train and they tell him he's not fighting. Ouch.

.


for real that was terrible! i actually missed a few episodes and had no idea myself, and i was waiting for someone to say ithey were joking, and it looked like Matt did too...but no one ever did....as it was no joke... :(

[blood_sin]

I'm glad bisping and haynes made it to the finals because, along with ross, they were the only ones in the house who weren't complete retards. The other finalists should be a good fight but they're both douchebags so I don't care about them.

[fishjie]

so ed vs kendall in the finals was pretty entertaining.

[BornAgainCommunist]

GSP's little bitch, Stout, getting smashed by Florian was very entertaining.

[blood_sin]

I was surprised, all the fights in the finale were good. And the ones I was hoping for ended up winning, kendall and bisping.

[Snowman]

I was amazed and greatly surprised to see a brit win that competition. I honestly though the two brits who got through would have been eliminated with no problems. Nice to be proven wrong though haha. Bispin was clearly the better fighter in that fight, regardless for the illegal knee (which he wasn't told about before)

[LimeGreenPatato]

I was amazed and greatly surprised to see a brit win that competition. I honestly though the two brits who got through would have been eliminated with no problems. Nice to be proven wrong though haha. Bispin was clearly the better fighter in that fight, regardless for the illegal knee (which he wasn't told about before)

Why...that division was ridiculously weak. When josh haynes makes it to the finals, what does that say about the rest of the competition. THe guy is brutal.

[Snowman]

Maybe so, but if it was weak.. who is to blame?
Dana White & UFC obviously. I guess we'll see how weak it was when Bispin finally competes in his first UFC match.

But I'm definately not disagreeing with you, but it's still a shock to me to see a brit win an american competition. It always is!

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

yeah wtf, sam stout got his ass raped soooo bad!!!
the only other guy who was good in the light heavyweight division was fucking... matt hamill, but he got injured. and yeah, i don't know how to fight, but i'll comment anyway, the guy leaves his hands down for wayyyy too long. i'm pretty sure you shouldn't do that, in general anyway

that ed guy just doesn't get submitted!
who's watching ultimate fight night tomorrow night?!?!

[LimeGreenPatato]

yeah wtf, sam stout got his ass raped soooo bad!!!
the only other guy who was good in the light heavyweight division was fucking... matt hamill, but he got injured. and yeah, i don't know how to fight, but i'll comment anyway, the guy leaves his hands down for wayyyy too long. i'm pretty sure you shouldn't do that, in general anyway

that ed guy just doesn't get submitted!
who's watching ultimate fight night tomorrow night?!?!


Matt hamil sucks. His standup is fucking garbage...leaving his hands down is only the begining of his problems. I don't think he would have much chance of beating bisping. The only way i could see it happening is if he got him down and overpowered him. Because even with his amazing wrestling, bisping has sick jiu jistu and would sub him easily.

Of course he has ALOT of potential and i'm guessing he's going to be working with team punishment so tito can turn him into something huge.

[soup or man]

I love that Ken's #1 pick, Jesse, jobbed to everybody. That fella got beat an unprecidented 3 times. That's never been done before in TUF! Congrats!

[Morphiend]

I would love to see cung le on tuf. everyones saying he's been set up against cans but he's completely destroyed them. it would be great to see how he fares against "real" mma fighters

[MAGUS1234]

I would love to see cung le on tuf. everyones saying he's been set up against cans but he's completely destroyed them. it would be great to see how he fares against "real" mma fighters
:confused:

uhh did you actually see the fights? The fool looked so sloppy.....he gassed in like 30 sec and the other fool had no offense but lean over and run forward.

Cung lee is a can opener thats about it.

[J-ride]

LOL @ Stout talking all kinds of shit and getting smoked. Yeah, stand-up alone isn't enough in the UFC, welcome to 1993.

[Airthrow]

regardless for the illegal knee (which he wasn't told about before)

Ummm, what the hell? You mean you think he competed in the UFC an no one told him the rules before throwing him in the ring? Everyone who watches UFC intelligently knows you can't knee a downed opponent to the head, much less a professional fighter.

He didn't realize his knees were on the matt which was why he kneed him, I didn't even notice the knee was illegal until it was on replay, he didn't look like he was down but he was.

[BornAgainCommunist]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Silva is crazy... I saw the Lee murray fight, he looked slick but that was insane.
that was some impressive power.

[MAGUS1234]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Silva is crazy... I saw the Lee murray fight, he looked slick but that was insane.
that was some impressive power.
LOL, that was like 100% hit rate for him.

Leben is cool, but he was so outclassed it wasn't even funny.

Muay thai fighter + HUGE Octagon = God Tier.

[Crimson Fury]

I think Rogan did a good job promoting Anderson Silva. I knew Silva was going to put the whooping on him, but I didn't think it would be less than a minute.

And it look like Silva wanted to throw a knee or a soccer kick while Leben was on the ground.

[soup or man]

Rashad continues to not finish. Everybody kept talking about what a great wrestler he is, and he did nothing but standup on TUF2. It was nice to see him dominate on the ground, but he really doesn't finish at all. When he gets screwed at the hands of the judges, he'll have it comin'.

No real star power on this Ultimate Fight Night. Seemed like a giant promotion for Blade the series, which I didn't bother watching. No real stand out performances. I don't know if Anderson Silva is really good, or if Chris Leben is really bad. He looked really unprepared, and was swinging wildly right out of the gates.

[Against Me!]

Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: How fucking original

[LimeGreenPatato]

Rashad continues to not finish. Everybody kept talking about what a great wrestler he is, and he did nothing but standup on TUF2. It was nice to see him dominate on the ground, but he really doesn't finish at all. When he gets screwed at the hands of the judges, he'll have it comin'.

No real star power on this Ultimate Fight Night. Seemed like a giant promotion for Blade the series, which I didn't bother watching. No real stand out performances. I don't know if Anderson Silva is really good, or if Chris Leben is really bad. He looked really unprepared, and was swinging wildly right out of the gates.


Your right on both parts...silva is really good and leben is really bad. Well he's not terrible, but he's definitly not as good as people give him credit for.