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forgenjuro

05-04-2006, 05:47 AM

Aiite Ive got tons of shit to write into one post so I apologize in advance for shitty grammar/spelling.

Where to begin....

So first up today was KOF XI. I came about mid way through prelims so I didnt get to watch everything. First fight I saw was Taiwan player, which i cant read (Kula, Clark, Ralph) VS O-ep (kula, gato, Osw). Kyogenshou started Ralph and O-ep started Kula. Ralph was just spamming the double uppercut move with dive punch assist and it connects like 3 times to take out Kula pretty easily. In comes Osw but hes struggling against Ralph. At some point Kyogenshou brings in Clark who throws everybody around and beats O-ep pretty easily.

2nd match was Henboku (Maxim, Duck, Osw) VS *edit Ok i was wrong, it was some Jap guy called Daigosho (Duck, Clark, Ralph). Taiwan guy starts Duck and pretty much rushes down Maxim for a easy kill. In comes Osw who blocks and finally gets away with a well timed roll. He manages to get a jump in combo but messes up the QCFs in the corner for the Ace finish. Ducky does most of the work in this match and 2nd Taiwan player advances.

3rd match was Akuros (Kage, Kula, Mary) VS Mambo (kim, gato, duck) Akuros starts Mary and she beasts on Kim. Duck comes in and gets supered by Mary that takes away like 70% of his health. Gato is snapped in to almost 3 healthy characters. But Gato does his little 2-hit gaurd break target combo into super about 3 times and gets rid of Mary. After that Gato takes contorl and does his usual for the win.

4th match was Uwoz (kula, gato, Jenet) VS 777 (Kim, gato, Kula) Gato gets the start for Uwoz and is trying to rush down Kula. Gato does hit 2-hit gaurd break target combo but Kula does guard cancel roll at guard break to avoid being hit by the super. Gato still persistently chases after Kula and succeeds and gets rid of Jenet too. Other Gato comes in and kills off 1st Gato. kula comes in and brings down Gato to about 5% health while being shaven off to 10% of her own health. Some reason at this point Kula taunts and then switches with Kim. Gato cleans up on Kim and tries to break through when Kula jumps in. But Kula keeps her cool (HAR HAR) and dispatches Kim for Uwoz.

5th match was RF (Kula, Gato, Kim) VS Kyokugenjyou (kim, clark, gato) I cant read the dirty notes I wrote down here. I just remember RF jumping around like Mario with Gato and winning confidently.

6th match was Nemo (Osw, Jenet, kage) VS kyogenshou (kula, clark, ralph) Nemo starts Kage and gets his way past Ralph to face Kula. Kula does her usual charade of no-recovery attacks and beats Kage. In comes Osw who manages to get a few combos in on Kula. Osw tries to jump in when Kula does her icicle super which takes off like 60% of Osw's health for some reason.

Next up was Samurai Spirits and I know jack shit about this game so not much to write about. One guy (i think) cosplayed as a french maid for the game. The announcers talked a few lines about it, "Well it seems somebody has cosplayed as a maid. Looks disgusting. Lets try not to look at it."

Next was 3S prelims. PinoAB7 if you remember cosplayed as Necro before. This year he came in dressed as Gill! http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040001.jpg

Another guy called Te'pe- came in dressed as Elena! http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040002.jpg

First match was Saver (Sako, Haitani, Teruchika) VS Byounindaihyou (Roo~, Koshun, Jiro-) This is when Team EC USA team started playing at the same time against Lun Lun Delun (Delun, Nihiro, Monokuro) Didnt really watch it closely but Monokuro (Chun) OCVs EC USA. KOf-iend died so fast only the first round was finished for Roo~ and Teruchika. It didnt seem the rest of the team did any better. Roo~ (ryu) starts against Teruchika (ken) and with great spacing control Roo~ beats both Teruchika and Haitani (chun). Sako (yun) comes in and does the usual Yun things and takes care of Roo~. Jiro- (akuma) comes in pressures Sako into corner where Jiro- proceeds to molest him with dive kicks and fierce punches to take round 1. Rd2 Sako gets in a few GJ combos and Jiro- only has about 1/2 inch of life left. Jiro- startsrushing with dive kicks and bait for parrys to get Sako into the corner again with almost no life left. Jiro- dive kicks into FP SRK to chip Yun to death for the win.

The next match shown on the big screen was Champion Road (Ishimatsu, Shiouwa, Match) VS Y-da no nounaikanojyo (Y-da, Dainama, Hiro-chan) This was a quick game where Ishimatsu (yun) easily beat the 3 with the usual Yun shiet.

3rd featured match was Monkey House (Deshiken, Ushi!?, Goemon) VS Muhou (Matsuda, Shiroitachi, Umezono) Deshiken (ken) starts for Monkey house and is in full beast mode. Against Umezono (chun) he rushes very well and does shit like parry in corner to jab SRKx2. Against Shiro was pretty much the same deal with very good spacing and nice agressive attacking. In comes Matsuda (Yun) who gave Deshiken some trouble with GJ but was not enough. After finishing a GJ combo Matsuda tries to jump in but Deshi walks under for MP->HP SA3 target combo. Then Deshiken on Yun wakeup does empty jump target combo into SA3 for the win.

While that match was going on Ji-en (Uni, Namijin, Tanatos) VS Gatchapin (Nakano, Taoru, Genki) I didnt get to see all of it but apparently Uni and Namijin lost and Tanatos comes back to beat 3 in a row. He was yelling like always and when he won the final match he turned to Pyro and yelled "I try my best! Thank you!"

Next match was WC USA vs Keeper (keeper, Tepe-, Tokido) Tepe- is the Elena guy. So Frank goes first up against Keeper (Ken). Frank was not able to play his usual game and was getting pushed around most of the match. In the end he got hit by a crossup EX air tatsu and juggled by standing MK to get peaced out. Next came Ricky who had a close match but got hit by UOHxSA3 to be beaten as well. Then came Pyro who was getting spaced too. If he tried to dive kick in he got SRKed. When he did GJ he only got chip dmg. In the end Pyro activates GJ does lunge punch and Keeper parries 3 times into target combo SA3. US is elminated in the first round already. During the match the announcers were talking about the Keeper team, "So Keeper and Tokido are both from Tokyo University (Japan's best university)." "Yes so we have two Tokyo University students and weird guy dressed as Elena.... Interesting..."

Team Festival (Billy kane, pecheur, UltraYox) after this gets OCVed by Yukiotoko to get taken out as well. The next match was Champion Road VS Lun Lun Delun. Match starts off for Champion Road and OCVs Lun Lun. Match loves to do anti-jump in SRK (gets parried) into SA1. Pretty much guaranteed damage. He beasts on both Delun's Yun and Monokuro's Chun. Then comes Nihiro. First round Match throws alot of fireballs from air and ground to keep Urien from moving freely. At the very end Match has about 1/2 inch of life left while Nihiro has pretty much nothing. Match scores a knockdown, rushes up to Urien. Then crazyness breaks loose. On Urien's wake up Match does HCBxFP then crouching mk into HK tatsu. Urien has none of that and parries EVERYTHING and throws Gouki at the end of the tatsu for a crazy victory RD1. Then in RD2 it was again a close match and at the end Urien jumps in, Match does anti-jump in SRk, Urien parrys, and cancells the SRK into SA1. Urien starts parrying, so Match jumps up and does air HK tatsu. Urien still parrys the first hit of the tatsu but cannot keep it going and dies for end of RD2. Rd3 was not as close and Match with his solid rushdown beats Nihiro for a great highlight reel fight.

Next game was Team Shibu Supo (Misawa, Issei, MaJr) VS Intelligent Fighters (Nanaichi, C13, Hoshi-) Misawa (ken) starts for Shibu Supo and beats Nanaichi (ken) fairly normally. C13 (makoto) comes in and beats Misawa and MaJr (chun) easily to bring out Issei (yun). Issei with his great percision and playing Yun's game, beats the rest of the team.

Next game was Perfect Freeman (AFM, Aruka, Pierre) VS a team I dont remember (probabblly team KITA--------('^')-------!!) I didnt get to see this match really but Pierre was missing some unblockables due to execution but Aruka made up for his loss with his usual crazy parrying skills.

We joined next game already in progress with team Banyuuhiryoku (Raoh, Mester, Inoue) VS Monkey House (Ushi!?, Deshiken, Goemon) Mester (yun) was going against Goemon (yang) and Goemon beats mester in a very close match. Yang had no life left but got a dive kick into c.lkxEXmantis for the win. Next came Inoue (Makoto) back from his long absence and he seems to be his old good self. In the Rd1 Inoue is down to very little life when he starts stringing together a bunch of hits to get a comeback victory in RD1. In RD2 both are very eavenly matched. Goemon gets a standing MK to hit and misses with the SA2 follow up which would have most likely killed. Inoue recovers and gets the victory. Then comes Ushi!? (urien) During the match Ushi!? did a cool reset which was: air to air jab, land EX Aegis, Inoue gets hit, shoulder rush. Looks pretty usefull actually. So Ushi beats Inoue to bring out Raoh. I dont remember the results for this match but Monkey house eventually advances to the final 4.

They interviewed the top 4 teams and here are some notables:
Spellmaster J "Yes its good to be back. And this year I will get naked again! Be prepared for it!"
MOV *looks around* "it doesnt seem like were going to lose"

Okay so next was the Top 8 for KOF XI. First up was SaSa@SMK (Kula, Gato, Kim) VS Kyogenshou (Kula, Ryo, Gato) Both came out with Kula and unlike the usual rushdown fest, this was a pretty tense battle with poking and spacing. But Kyogenshou from Taiwan had reaction skills like a fox and was able to counter much of what SaSa was doing to advance.

Second game was Riki (Clark, Ralph, Gato) VS Cabbage (Terry, Kula, Kim) Before the match Riki had this to say about his opponent:
"I will cook him real good"
*takes swig from canned coffee*
Announcer: "cheers to that"
Riki starts with Ralph and he was going crazy with the uppercuts against Cabbage's Kula. After Kula gets killed Terry comes in and takes a few hits. Riki brings in Clark and Cabbage gets scared or something and gets hit by dash up throw and simple shit like that. After taking out Terry, Kim jumps into the greeting arms of Clark and he rewards him with a suplex. Easy win for Riki.

3rd game was Mago (Kula, Gato, Osw) VS Axel (Terry, Osw, Gato) Beneath his name, Mago had this little line, "Everybody say it with me, 2D 2D 2D 2D, 2-D GOD!"
and at the interview before the match...
Announcer "what are you thoughts right now?"
Mago *looks around* "who me? well to put it bluntly, all of these other contestants, their just in my way. I cant be stopped cuz I have the world with me. Okay everybody 1, 2, 3,...."
*points mic to audience*
audience "....................*giggle*.............."
Mago "Cmon! we practiced this! "
*Axel grabs mic*
Axel "what a loner"
Onto the match, Mago clearly has an upperhand with having Kula, and not much of a contest here.

4th game was Kaoru (kula, Osw, Gato) VS other Taiwan dude (kula, clark, Ralph) I dont remember much from this fight but Kaoru's Gato rushes like crazy and pretty much beats the whole team.

5th game was Riki VS Kyogenshou. Riki starts off with Ralph and Kyo starts with Kula. Ralph tries to play his usual game but is no match for Kula. If he tries to jump in Kyo has future vision or some shit and SRKs him. If hes not jumping hes getting peppered by all sorts of ice shit. After Ralph gets taken out Kyo does one crazy ass combo that I cant even describe due to my lack of knowledge about the game. Ill just say that it includes like 5 snap ins and Ryo's one hit dizzy thing. Youll have to see it to know what I mean.

6th game was Mago VS Kaoru. Both start off with Kula and are playing defensively. But Kaoru gains the advantage and takes out Mago's Kula. From then on Kaoru rushes down with Kula and Mago is dissapointedly makes an exit. After his loss Mago bowed his head for forgivness to the crowd.

Finals was Kaoru (Kula, Gato, Kage) VS Kyogenshou (Kula, Ryo, King). At the finals both players decide to change up their team a little, with surprise Kyogenshou putting King in as the 3rd character. Would it make a difference..... not really. Kaoru starts off with Kage against Kyo who starts with Kula. Kaoru does a great job of playing keep away and selectively jumping in for attacks. With a hard defense that even Kula cant break through Kyo brings in King, who save for a few attacks doesnt do much. At the very end Karou brings in Gato and Kyo looked like he gave up and let Kaoru finish him off in a fancy way with his hop kick into rising dragon super.

Taiwan players made a great showing in KOF XI and they should be happy with themselves. But.... the announcers were talking about the game itself afterwards and they agreed that whoever utilizes Kula to the fullest and best will eventually come out on top. So will we see King of Kula in next year's SBO? Only time can tell...

Next was the top 4 for Samura Spirits. Now I watched these with pretty much no knowledge of the game mechanics and shit but I know one thig: Mina is one fucking cheap ass bitch. She's the little girl with the bow and arrow. She can shoot it pretty much anywhere on the screen and a few you can store "up above" to call down later. Plus when you shoot it has like as much recovery as a jab. Ridiculous. And when you watch the game it seems so slow, even though its really not that slow. Its just a game that seems a lot more fun to play than to watch. In the end though Team Meikyosisui from Hokaidou won it all with Iroha.

Ok so the top 4 for 3S is finally here! First match was Champion Road VS Monkey House. Match and Goemon go first. Match starts pressuring and gets a couple of hits on Goemon in the corner. Goemon escapes the corner with HK dash which I thought was pretty neat, but eventually Goemon gets caught and that brings up Deshiken. Ken and Gouki is a pretty (almost) even match but Ken is pressuring more. Both characters down to low health when Deshiken does an air EX tatsu when Gouki was jumping as well. Gouki starts parrying but misses the last hit and gets hammered. Ishimatsu comes out 2nd for Champion Road (Although his name is Ishimatsu, people just called him "Chibi" meaning midget, or kid) Chibi's Yun is pretty complete. He pressures Deshiken real well and he doesnt have much opportunity to do his favorite parry into low mk jab SRK. Chibi instead of getting baited, does numerous Zenpotenshins to keep Deshiken off his game. Chibi beats Deshi to bring in anchor Ushi!? Standard normal fight here for a Yun VS Urien. Although at one point Ushi puts Aegis up mid screen, Chibi dive kicks and crosses up Ushi to get on other side, then after going forward a little Chibi zenpotenshins himself into the Aegis. 0_o. Well Ushi ends up winning to bring up Boss who uses Makoto now. Boss's makoto is pretty mean, and he rushes and rushes at Ushi with success. Near the end of RD1 Ushi is in the left corner with barely any life left with Boss having about 1/5 life left. Boss dashes up to Ushi and does a c.lk into EX chop, but Ushi blocks the low kick and parries the chop and goes into his C.HP. Unfortunately due to distance only the first hit of the C.HP hits and Ushi eats it for RD1. In RD2 Ushi is doing good with about 1/2 life left and gets Boss with almost no life left and into the right corner. Boss on wake up starts poking away at Ushi and then he goes forward does a standing FP and hit confirms into SA2 which takes off almost all of his life. Unfortunately that doesnt save him and Champion Road advances to the Finals.

Match 2 was supposed to be another stepping stone for the Vision team to their ultimate goal. But this fight with Masters VS Vision was not meant to be. KO started off strong with an easy win over Spell J. Then the top 2 Yun's in the world battled it out with the first RD going to Nitto after parrying KO's crossup target combo into his own. KO however comes back to perfect Nitto in the 2nd RD. With that push KO finishes off Nitto to bring in anchor MOV. MOV pretty easily beats KO as KO wasnt able to do much and messed up a few things he doesnt such as not being close enough for zenpotenshin during GJ. Next Vision decided to bring in Nuki for a Chun mirror match. At the beginning both are poking away and keeping distance. Both eventually get super and start to edge in closer. Then Nuki does a c.mk that totally wiffes MOV BUT Nuki goes ahead and does Hyoyokusen. Now was it a mistake? Or was he trying to catch MOV trying to pull a move? Whatever the case may be, MOV starts parrying the super from the second series of kicks, jumps up and does a spread eagle RH into b.FPxSA2. From then on the momentum was all MOV and Nuki loses not looking like his usual consistent self. This brings up poor Kokujin to bring up anchor. Now as you know this match up is hard as hell and without some hard luck, its almost impossible. Kokujin gets in a few shots but eventually team Vision is peaced out and poor KO suffers another defeat at SBO.

So this is the final battle with Champion Road VS Masters. First off Match comes up and Spell J comes up first after tearing off his shirt just like he promised. Match once again shows his anti-air prowress with the parried SRK into SA1 tactic. Also does a SA1 to chase Spell J when he's jumping back and such. Spell J gets fairly owned and Match finishes him off in the corner with an air messatsu gouhadou for the chip win. Next up for Masters was Nitto. Nitto came in and steadily kept his ground against Match when he attacked. Nitto didnt have much problem and evaded Match's attempt at a wakeup raging demon near the end. Nitto takes care of Match to bring up mirror match Yun/Yun with Chibi. Chibi, I believe, gets beaten pretty easily but... I dont remember much from this fight. And some reason i wrote down MK and HK but i have no clue what I mean by that. Well anways Nitto beats Chibi to bring out anchor Boss makoto (for somereason Boss changed his name to Shouwa). Nitto plays safe and gains advantage with a few GJ combos. With almost no life left Boss starts rushing like mad and getting in very well. C.mpxhayate, c.lkxhayate, hayate etc. etc. However 2 things happened in this fight that was a deciding factor. 1 was that almost everytime Boss tried to command grab Nitto, he would jump away correctly. 2nd thing was Boss was able to get Nitto down to about 1/2 inch of life. But he would dash up and do c.lkxEXchop which Nitto would block BOTH. And he did it like FOUR TIMES! So even though Boss fought valiently and was just one clean hit away from winning, Nitto guessed correctly and came up with the win.

OK so this is all the non-tourny part.

According to Pyro AFM's name stands for Anal Fucking Machine.

KOF-iend apparently choked some foo at a restuarant after the guy came out cosplaying as a monster (it was a themed restuarant) and he got paranoid.

I had a chance to talk to KO http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040003.jpg me on the left.
So I asked him if he planned on coming to EVO this year. He said that most likely not. He sais he loves gambling and Vegas is somewhere he would like to go eventually, but he is seriously into Pachinko and Pachi-slot right now. He sais he makes about 2 - 3 grand in $s per month from his winnings.

As of now, Japanese players looking to coming to EVO this year are... RF, Nuki, Kokujin, possibly Yamazaki.

I talked to Mr. Kuni and I asked him if Hokuto no Ken will be in the line up for next year's SBO. He sais that unless they do a expansion, most likely not. When asked if 3S will still be in next year he said, "We'll see"

And lastly I inquired KO about Daigo and this is what he has said. Daigo is apparently working at some Mahjong joint and he is working and playing hella. So much so that apparently he has stopped playing games completely. And in fact he might actually have gone into...... *gasp*......... retirement....... Who knows whats going through Mr. Umehara's mind? Only time will tell if this it is true or not.... Only time...

Well its fuckin 3 am already and i hope i wake up early enough to make it to some MB or at LEAST GGXXSlash. I know nothing about the 3 games being played tommorow but ill do my best to get notes on them. Aiite thanx for reading.

peace,

matt

PS: my memory sucks. so most likely certain details such as rounds won and shit might be off. hopefully theres video soon. possibly the china-men might have got some?

bill_rizer

05-04-2006, 06:06 AM

im waiting, I hope XI is in your report some where.

eks

05-04-2006, 07:04 AM

cant wait to read this!

popoblo

05-04-2006, 07:19 AM

so the west coast 3S team got OCV'd by keeper, a ken player. who OCV'd the east coast team and what character did they play?

cygnus

05-04-2006, 07:25 AM

Looking forward to it!

Silentness!

05-04-2006, 07:27 AM

Ahh the suspense...

take your time though composing the info. :lovin:

Eric J

05-04-2006, 07:40 AM

Matenee Naa!!! Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu!

ParryAll

05-04-2006, 08:02 AM

- ALL foreign teams... (both USA teams, UK team, France team) were OCV`ed in the first round. In fact, only BillyKane and Ricky Ortiz won a round each.

Holy shit....

eks

05-04-2006, 08:04 AM

some day 2 info available here http://tinyurl.com/fj6r7 while we wait for forgenjuro's log!

edit: your log owns. i wish i had premium so i could rep you.

Soundbwoy

05-04-2006, 08:35 AM

Man,

I was really hoping for a better showing by teams USA. Honestly, do we have any chance in Japan, or is like asking if the US can beat Brazil in a world cup match.

It just seems like they way our top players beast over here in the states, Its hard to imagine that they would get peaced out so easily at SBO. OVCs on both teams, come on now.

r3ko

05-04-2006, 08:39 AM

LOL, i bet the japs got mixed feelings about the foreign teams now. There prob thinking:
A: Yeh! free wins!
B: Those places probably could of been filled by a suprerior japanese team.

ringopan

05-04-2006, 08:42 AM

great log matt!!!

how were the 3s last chance quals (if you got a chance to see them)?

deshiken matches sound sick as usual.

Ryo Yamazaki

05-04-2006, 08:50 AM

As usual, great log. I'm glad Arashi owned up some heads.
Looking forward to Day 3.

[EDIT] No homo, but that Elena cosplay is pretty good, considering it's a Japanese male. He got the facial expression down pat:rofl: :wonder:

N+6

05-04-2006, 08:53 AM

PinoAB7 if you remember cosplayed as Necro before. This year he came in dressed as Gill! http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040001.jpg
Why god why!?

While that match was going on Ji-en (Uni, Namijin, Tanatos) VS Gatchapin (Nakano, Taoru, Genki) I didnt get to see all of it but apparently Uni and Namijin lost and Tanatos comes back to beat 3 in a row. He was yelling like always and when he won the final match he turned to Pyro and yelled "I try my best! Thank you!"
Oh man I can't fucking wait to see a video of this. hilarious. (not to mention Match vs Nihiro)

USA teams better win some rounds in a KSK ranbat at least. :(

I guess the Japanese Acrade Market just trumps the rest of the world's.... :(

caliagent#3

05-04-2006, 08:56 AM

damn....so much for thinking we were catching up to japan in 3s

evilmuffinmanX

05-04-2006, 09:04 AM

R.I.P 3S, 05-04-06

fucking cheap japs! ;_;

mexicanryu

05-04-2006, 09:13 AM

I thought US is good in 3s ??? FFA help ???

Saotome Kaneda

05-04-2006, 09:24 AM

I thought US is good in 3s ??? FFA help ???
It seems like the Japanese really hate foreigners this year.

Mod Edit: After SBO is done all these threads are going to get merged then tossed in Tourney Results. They shouldn't've been here anyway, but the usual "no one reads anything other than FGD and GD" argument is kinda valid here.

evilj

05-04-2006, 09:25 AM

rip 3s 5-04-06

UrIeNaToR

05-04-2006, 09:35 AM

Lovin It.

RaJu_

05-04-2006, 09:41 AM

man... I guess everytime it seems like the rest of the world is getting close to japans level on 3s, they just prove us wrong again :(

Incredible...

SuperSamyon

05-04-2006, 09:44 AM

Its one thing to lose.. but to get OCV'D???? :wasted:

Silentness!

05-04-2006, 09:49 AM

The amount of Japanese competition is one reason why they are so much more experienced.

Hell I can't find any 3s competition where I'm at...

Lol grats to Nitto's team for winning another SBO.

mexicanryu

05-04-2006, 09:56 AM

hopefully we learned our mistake and not hold qualifer at RI next time =(

Atb_555

05-04-2006, 09:57 AM

The amount of Japanese competition is one reason why they are so much more experienced.

Very True!

ShinjiGohan

05-04-2006, 10:24 AM

hopefully we learned our mistake and not hold qualifer at RI next time =(

Why would not holding a qual is RI help?

Overworld

05-04-2006, 10:47 AM

How are teams formed to go over there? If it's just three guys who band together and win the qualifier to go, we may need to consider just taking our three best players and putting them on one team, rather than having them call up friends. I'm not saying the teams were bad, but heck we may need to shake it up a bit, and just take the best six players and put them on teams. (Determining the best six could be done in tournies I suppose.)

People will moan about team chemistry, but it's not like that formula is working great for us now.

Gaijinblaze

05-04-2006, 10:53 AM

Overworld

05-04-2006, 10:59 AM

two2tone

05-04-2006, 11:13 AM

Next was 3S prelims. PinoAB7 if you remember cosplayed as Necro before. This year he came in dressed as Gill! http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040001.jpg

Another guy called Te'pe- came in dressed as Elena! http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/forgenjuro/05040002.jpg

Freaken' hilarious... we can't beat them in 3s but they can't beat us in dressin either :rofl: (inside joke)

dbycrash

05-04-2006, 11:14 AM

poor KO

Shinto

05-04-2006, 11:20 AM

Good shit again...
for the nwb wat does OCV means

two2tone

05-04-2006, 11:32 AM

OCV= One Cunt Victory lmao...

nah **1 character victory**

And to all of those who f*cken complain about team USA gettin OCV... just stfu will ya? because I'm sure hella other Japanese teams got OCVed too! geezuz!!

ParryAll

05-04-2006, 11:58 AM

Why would not holding a qual is RI help?

Cause it's fucking Rhode Island.

Nah all kidding aside, most of the top EC players traveled to RI anyway.

My question though: will the EC and WC matches at least make the DVD? And what is the usual turnaround for the SBO DVD's?

And where is the pirated footage lol. U know it's out there.

Spirit Juice

05-04-2006, 11:59 AM

The US can compete with Japan... but we just can't beat them (at least in single elimination format, which is terribly unforgiving). Anyways, nice try to all foreign teams. Just remember that it's the experience that matters most, not actually winning.

Looking forward to MB and Slash results.

strakka

05-04-2006, 12:20 PM

Great log.

It brings a tear to my eye.

bill_rizer

05-04-2006, 12:29 PM

nice report dude, I look forward to seein some vids eventually of kof, wow japan kicked ass, their on another level, just one character god that hurts.

starboy

05-04-2006, 12:34 PM

Pyro sucks ass. Ricky sucks ass. Jwong sucks ass. We suck.

Big War

05-04-2006, 01:05 PM

Pyro sucks ass. Ricky sucks ass. Jwong sucks ass. We suck.

ouch

TFGM

05-04-2006, 01:15 PM

That is what they did at the RI qualifer. Justin, Mopreme, and KOfiend all qualified separately so that the best team (based on the players there) would be formed instead of making the teams beforehand.

I try not to give opinions but perhaps if Ricky was teamed up with Justin, then perhaps the chemistry would have been better. (Only if they stated that the chemistry was not good to begin with.) However lets say that it was for sure the chemistry, would either team have been willing to make trades?

Kim Sue-il

05-04-2006, 01:16 PM

What would Jack Bauer do?

G.O.T

05-04-2006, 01:24 PM

Pyro sucks ass. Ricky sucks ass. Jwong sucks ass. We suck.

who-are you?:confused:

xXx$HIN-GIEFxXx

05-04-2006, 01:50 PM

Holy shit....

Took the words right out of my mouth.

two2tone

05-04-2006, 01:56 PM

who-are you?:confused:

he's a guy that failed to make it for US team thats all...

M.F. Afromatic

05-04-2006, 02:05 PM

he's a guy that failed to make it for US team thats all...

If you seen Starboy playing you would ride his nuts like you do to every other player that is some what known, so please stfu

two2tone

05-04-2006, 02:17 PM

If you seen Starboy playing you would ride his nuts like you do to every other player that is some what known, so please stfu

i have seen him play, i didnt say he was a scrub? so please stfu

TrueSephiroth

05-04-2006, 02:18 PM

This was the year of the Red Sun, all of the outcomes have me blown away, and seriously, I thought that at least in DR, that Japan wouldn't take it, but I ended up eating my own foot, let's hope next year Team US will do better, and imo, we are better than what the results show for us...damn Monokuro's Chun and Keeper's Ken:sad:

mexicanryu

05-04-2006, 02:24 PM

if starboy thinks he's so much better than FFA then he should play money match against FFA at EVO.

CaliPower

05-04-2006, 02:48 PM

typical results imo...hometurf

our 2 teams play their hundred....only takes 2 of their hundred to get ocv's....

evo will show results in our favor...i gaurantee it :wink:

starboy

05-04-2006, 03:23 PM

Man, everyone takes everything so serious here in FGD. Calipower is right, it's 2 U.S. teams vs. 28 jap teams...we lose first round, oh well, not unexpected. Better luck next time.

marn

05-04-2006, 03:24 PM

if starboy thinks he's so much better than FFA then he should play money match against FFA at EVO.

he never said he was so much better than ffa. he just said ricky sucks (not ffa), justin sucks (not ffa), pyro sucks (ffa.. but he doesnt count ;\).. how bout he play you for money cause he told me he thinks you really fucking suck, like totally suck shit, like.. not even worth his time type of shit.

Starboy never tried to make a US team cause he's too good for the US!! He woulda one-manned teamed it at SBO4 and won it, yea i said it.

SiLLiEMutAfuKA

05-04-2006, 06:16 PM

Thanks alot alot alot for the log man, too bad I can't rep.

Sigh Mester's team got out, I wanted them to be in the final 4, oh well. Can't wait for SFTChina, and those are some interesting cosplays, ha.

Eh US team, nice try I guess, I don't think we can ever make it, and this year it's an OCV, eeek.

epsilon_

05-04-2006, 06:21 PM

disappointing i guess. theres always evo haha.

ParryAll

05-04-2006, 06:33 PM

Man, everyone takes everything so serious here in FGD. Calipower is right, it's 2 U.S. teams vs. 28 jap teams...we lose first round, oh well, not unexpected. Better luck next time.

Umm, I think it was very unexpected. At least, I don't know anyone who thought both teams would get knocked out in the first round, let alone OCVed in a 3 team member format. EC didn't even win a round.

Personally I think it's pretty shocking.

Ouroborus

05-04-2006, 06:46 PM

USA needs to go back to what they are known for, beasting in mvc2.

Leebee Link

05-04-2006, 06:47 PM

Single elimination really doesn't prove much. That's not to say that the US teams would've done much better if it was double/something else, but the true representation of one's skill is seen over a large number of matches.

HaiDuongRiceMan

05-04-2006, 07:20 PM

Watch Japan take over MvC2 at the next Evo...

Then what the fuck does USA have?

SiLLiEMutAfuKA

05-04-2006, 07:23 PM

Superking

05-04-2006, 07:32 PM

margalis

05-04-2006, 07:36 PM

Strider2k2

05-04-2006, 08:09 PM

ohayo1234

05-04-2006, 08:22 PM

god damn, forgenjuro use to go to svgl alot. I didnt even know you went to SBO also. pino ab7 is one of the craziest game players ive ever seen. and he has a tight samurai haircut thing going. I hella dont want to read this whole thread but MOV is the fucking king. Nitto finally wins the big one. and EVO NEEDS to incorporate more interaction between the crowd and players. Not only is the gameplay and presentation more amazing, but everyone gets into it cause of the interviews. I talked to sawatari during sbo also, we talked about chances of cvs2 coming back to sbo. if there is no new capcom game next year, he will talk to the committee about bringing it back.

And just to throw in my own comment. AMERICANS SHOULD PLAY NEW GAMES. FUCKING WE PLAY THE SAME SHIT FOR YEARS. Its boring as shit, I am positive im not the only person that feels this waym evo isnt even motivating. It has nothing to do with the tournament but the game lineup. But you know its all good. Cause we can play mvc2 3s and cvs2 forever and talk shit, it:ll be great! Ok venting is done. If any of you are bored google images of hoshino aki. she hot. peace

-Kim

starboy

05-04-2006, 08:37 PM

And just to throw in my own comment. AMERICANS SHOULD PLAY NEW GAMES. FUCKING WE PLAY THE SAME SHIT FOR YEARS. Its boring as shit, I am positive im not the only person that feels this waym evo isnt even motivating. It has nothing to do with the tournament but the game lineup.
-Kim

+1 I feel the same way man. I mean we're running T5.0 for crying out loud. T5.0!!

Jack

05-04-2006, 08:55 PM

I guess the Japans are playing serious again all the foreigner's team! Which shows full respects to the Foreigners in a difference prespectively!

Thanks for the excellent and detailed log!

Cont. Please!

TrueSephiroth

05-04-2006, 09:05 PM

You know, that's exactly what I always want to see, I mean the reason why US beats Japan in Marvel is because they don't give a shit about Marvel, but I've always wanted to see the day that they will own up the US in Marvel and then see how the US will be like. If top Japanese players were to learn and play Marvel I'm pretty sure they'll take that as well.

One day, they will learn the game JUST to make the US feel bad....one day.

They would have to do some serious practicing to catch up...because aren't they all for the most part still using Iron Man??? I maybe wrong, and maybe they've switched to the Big4 now, but I doubt that within next year they'll be comming to Evok2k7 and beasting all of our best in MvC2, I mean for so many years, we took that fighting game as our bible.

Again, I'm happy that we where able to go and represent, Japan is just too good in 3S, it should give us motivation to play even harder for next time. As for the Nin comment, let's be very honest, Nin is gifted in Tekken, and when you have gifted+5.0 Steve...well I'm not very surprised, it's just that this year with DR, it's more forgiving and Japan would definetly be working hard, I mean, they did lose big last time Nin took them out in 5.0 with Steve and then they lost big here last year in the Team Battle in 5.0 against the US, yet in SBO for DR, return with a vengeance, it's the Samurai Blood in them I tell you.

rukawa_kaede

05-04-2006, 09:34 PM

3s: One of the few games North Americans play seriously and they still suck. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

well I guess Japan is such a beast.

thedude.com

05-04-2006, 10:14 PM

Return of Shiki

05-04-2006, 10:17 PM

Who's this "Kage" fellow who seems to make up these elite KOF XI teams???

bryz0r

05-04-2006, 10:30 PM

I think everybody also needs to realize is how much of a minority really good fighting game players are here as there are compared to Japan.

edit-- that is why nobody there buys xbox's

Tinshi

05-04-2006, 10:34 PM

Wow i dont know hoiw to react to the 3S scene that went down. Damn and i thought that the west coast team would do some magic. East coast didnt phase them either. Hmm i think we should study 3S on a different perspective. Like more various character usages or we shouldnt rely on studing the opponent 2/3 maybe 1/1should be the study rate . I dont know just my opinion

Gen2000

05-04-2006, 11:01 PM

Great logs, some of the better reads this year here in FGD. Looking forward to the next one.

HuGoLiZarD

05-04-2006, 11:26 PM

I'm disappointed at the first round KO...but mathmatically, the odds were against us. 2 teams can only advance so far. And yes, i agree that Single Elimination is not the way to go. It leaves very little room for error and not enough chances for any team.

Oh wells. It's the experience that matters. All the teams that even made it to SBO are already the cream of the crop. Don't wanna sound cliche, but in a sense, everyone's a winner. -_-

It's not really 2 vs 28. If you go to a tourney do you think it's you vs 31 other guys? Everyone or in this case every team has equal chance to win. There are 4 foreign teams and the odds of none of them moving to the 2nd round is pretty low. And the odds of not getting a single win is even lower. That pretty much tells you the Japanese are that much better.

GoLD-ReaVeR

05-04-2006, 11:31 PM

I think the 'foreigners' shouldn't take their trashy local 'tactics' to japan. But I guess I'd be the only one thinking that:P

FreddyL0c0

05-05-2006, 12:12 AM

way to support ure own players America.

CrimsonDisaster

05-05-2006, 12:31 AM

Who's this "Kage" fellow who seems to make up these elite KOF XI teams???
Eiji.

Preppy

05-05-2006, 03:38 AM

I think the 'foreigners' shouldn't take their trashy local 'tactics' to japan. But I guess I'd be the only one thinking that:Pi hope that makes sense to someone... ?

sbo was awesome. japan is awesome. the arcades are fucking incredible. the difference between what you CAN do with the japan scene vs the us scene is visible at face value - this is stunning shit.

their 3s players are beasts. a big part of getting beasted was not really being terribly used to playing against japanese style, i would think..... to my blind eyes it just looked a lot faster and more aggressive than american 3s. run-away yun wins, really, though, so what do i know? otoh, justin got thrown like four times pretty much at the start of the round.... *shrug* these guys are crazy.

thanks to tokyo gaming action for all that they do and did here. :tup: i will comment more when i am back in the states.

for what it is worth, the *people* at evo are better than at sbo - at sbo those guys are quiet fuckers for the most part. sbo is incredibly well-produced and phi and i were in awe and trying to figure out what ideas to steal...... but the crowd to my ears was simply not very loud/enthusiastic, comparatively.

having won one round/game in a japanese cvs2 team tourney (the one nestor and bas(?) won), i may retire from cvs2 (probably could have won a 2nd, but i couldnt super on the sticks so lost a very close match). it cannot get any better than that :wink:

Ukyo Tachibana

05-05-2006, 03:42 AM

So, Daigo's retiring, huh. :(

Fuck, Mah Jong can't be as exciting as fighting games, can it?

Maybe he's winning more money in it? Maybe his psychic powers are rewarded more?

Oh well, Daigo makes EVOs exciting for me... I guess this year is my last EVO. :/

Gamer X

05-05-2006, 04:01 AM

I find it funny that people are bashing the US teams for going out in the first round but those same people were HERE not at SBO. How did you do in the qualifiers? I got mad respect for both the WC and EC teams. Do you think it was easy to play over there? Do you think you could have done better with that setup and enviroment? Man it just makes me mad that people here shit on everything and can't back it up. Hell most of the people dissing won't even show up at Evo and if you do you'll be luck to place top 30. When something first (and I'm talking about your little rink-a-dink mall tournies) than talk all the shit you want. Better yet man up, go to Evo and request one of the members of team USA first round and see how you do.

As for Marvel, get real!!! NOBODY PLAYS MARVEL BUT THE U.S.!!!! The rest of the world stop playing Marvel years ago. Yes the US needs to start playing other games more seriously like GG Slash, VF, KOF XI, and stop being so narrow minded towards games. I think we could compete in these games if we just got more into them.

On a side note, its a shame we didn't have a team for Tekken 5 DR. I don't know the details but TZ or whoever should talk to the SBO reps and see about next year. I would love to see how we against Japan and Korea.

KneelB4Me

05-05-2006, 04:14 AM

^ Thats the truth. They are the guys who won the US/EU qualifiers. Plus you never saw them mouthing off about what they expected to achieve. If anything these results show what a difficult tournament SBO really is. These guys are still going to come back home and win X ammount of tournaments. What will people say then?

Hey Preppy, you played in the CVS2 tournament? Thats pretty cool man. Did you happen to notice if anybody filmed any footage of that?

Suupaa

05-05-2006, 05:50 AM

Nobody is bashing the US/France/Germany Teams for losing. Everyone is just really surprised that they ALL got OCV'd. Between 4 teams, and 26 rounds, Foreign teams won 2. TWO ROUNDS. If someone posted on here last week that all the foreign teams would get OCV'd like that, you guys would of called him a stupid hater, and that Wong/Pyro/BillyKane are so sick and they would of pulled off something. You know it. I personally didn't expect our teams to win, but I did expect them to at least make some noise. But oh well, there's always next year, it should just give them, and the rest of us, that much more drive to want to beat japan.

Overworld

05-05-2006, 07:58 AM

I think the narrowmindedness you speak of comes more from availiability than outright shunning of anything new. I don't have the kind cash to be importing all these games, I would if I could, but I can't, and there aren't locations to play any of them.

(There is a tekken 5:DR machine about an hour away from my house, but I'm not *that* interested.)

Strider2k2

05-05-2006, 08:24 AM

Truth.

Nobody is bashing the EC or WC teams.
We're just a bit surprised at how fast they got eliminated, that's all.

I mean, personally..i'd hate to see my favorite player (Pyrolee) go down easy judging from his past performances at ranbats and qualifiers. It's just a bit surprising.

Eric J

05-05-2006, 08:30 AM

Um yeah...that makes no sense. It's America's best 2 teams vs 2 random Japanese teams out of a large pool. That's an advantage for team USA.

It's not like the Japan teams had 28 characters on screen at once, or that team USA had to beat 28 teams in a row.

What this says to me is if you pick two Japanese teams at random from a large pool they are better than the best in the US, which really should surprise nobody.

I agree with this, except its not two random Japanese teams, remember the SBO teams had to qualify at local arcades and the qualify for the respective areas so the teams at SBO are top Japanese teams as well.

Dipstick

05-05-2006, 09:16 AM

There are 4 foreign teams and the odds of none of them moving to the 2nd round is pretty low. And the odds of not getting a single win is even lower. That pretty much tells you the Japanese are that much better.
The odds would be just a bit over six percent (6.125, if all of the matchups are true coinflips). Hell, the odds of that happening even if the foregin teams were only 10% likely to win their match, one of them would advance over a third of the time.

As for the OCVs, that's even uglier. Again assuming a coinflip for each match in the matchup, one team will sweep the other 12.5% of the time. That is higher than one would expect at first glance, but the odds of that happening across multiple teams drops very quickly -- 00.024% likely, in fact. Less than one tenth of one percent of the time!

So it's pretty clear that the rest of the world isn't up to Japan (dur?). What if the foregin players had a 10% chance? That would mean having a teamwin rate of less than one percent! (0.937%) The foregin team gets swept just under 73% of the time (72.9%), and the odds of all four teams getting swept are still below 30% (28.25%).

In short: while each individual match means relatively little, I think there is enough evidence here (even in this small sample) to say that the rest of the world got owned. There may be many outside factors to explain some of this away (of which I would have no idea about), from just running bad at life to awkward conditions to bird flu, but it is fairly safe to say that the rest of the world's best players are not on par with Japan's best players. In other news, the sky is blue.

-Dippy

marn

05-05-2006, 09:24 AM

Mopreme! Check Your Pm's Right Now!

Impact

05-05-2006, 09:25 AM

this is for all those haterz!:

there are SOOO many haterz here in srk... they even hate people from their own homeland... i mean... wtf did you expect? A f*cken grand final win? stfu will ya? why dont YOU go to japan get us a win??! and stop bitchin about how bad US did... remember before those pool of 28 teams... there were probably 300 Japanese teams competin for those 28 final spotz... give our guys a break will ya? if you bitch... next time we wanna see YOU compete @ SBO next year... i'd bet you(whoever da f*ck you are) would get double perfected 1st round of poolz and OCVed!! so stfu!!

05-05-2006, 09:26 AM

As for Marvel, get real!!! NOBODY PLAYS MARVEL BUT THE U.S.!!!! The rest of the world stop playing Marvel years ago. Yes the US needs to start playing other games more seriously like GG Slash, VF, KOF XI, and stop being so narrow minded towards games. I think we could compete in these games if we just got more into them.

On a side note, its a shame we didn't have a team for Tekken 5 DR. I don't know the details but TZ or whoever should talk to the SBO reps and see about next year. I would love to see how we against Japan and Korea.

You have to realize that the only game that gets localized quickly on console out of the three you mentioned is VF. KOFXI and GGX/ are only available on import and most of the people just aren't gonna spend the extra cash to import when eventually they'll be out stateside.

Plus, everything is run on consoles. So its not like your practice is paying off knowing that there will never be a tourney for it seeing as how the only way to play it is on a cab. Its not like the old days where you KNEW these games were gonna be at a shitload of arcades and most likely the tournaments would be there. Its a completely different scene nowadays. But of course that gets reiterated a little too much on this board.

But yeah, I play a lot of fighters. I play any fighter I can get my hands on. Its just a matter of these games getting a steady following as well. In Japan its only a train ride away to go beast on the community. In the U.S. its a plane ride across the map just to get some competition. And its money consuming when you look at it. And very time consuming if you want to throw that in as well.

But I do understand where you're coming from with your valid argument.

P.S. Korea alone would rape the U.S. in T5:DR.

starboy

05-05-2006, 09:29 AM

Mopreme! Check Your Pm's Right Now!

I just talked to him on aim.
Basically he told me:
The skill gap b/t the US and Jap. is very clear once again, and the US teams where clearly outclassed.

me (11:10:42 AM): Anything new? Style/tricks wise. Or was it the same shit and you guys just got outplayed
mopreme (11:10:56 AM): they are just way better
me (11:10:57 AM): It's hard to believe you guys got swept like that
mopreme (11:11:06 AM): you wouldnt understand unless you saw first hand.
mopreme (11:12:24 AM): They are WAY better

Muskau

05-05-2006, 09:29 AM

Do you think you could have done better with that setup and enviroment?

I spose I would have done about just as good results wise, probably double perfected though... :lol:

But I was wondering is the fact that the foreign teams got OCV'd making more interest than if they got to 3rd round or so? I think most people were expecting some sort of reasonable result. This just makes things all that more interesting.

marn

05-05-2006, 09:41 AM

I just talked to him on aim.
Basically he told me:
The skill gap b/t the US and Jap. is very clear once again, and the US teams where clearly outclassed.

me (11:10:42 AM): Anything new? Style/tricks wise. Or was it the same shit and you guys just got outplayed
mopreme (11:10:56 AM): they are just way better
me (11:10:57 AM): It's hard to believe you guys got swept like that
mopreme (11:11:06 AM): you wouldnt understand unless you saw first hand.
mopreme (11:12:24 AM): They are WAY better

yo, if you see him online again, tell him to check his PMs! It's REALLY important right now!!!!

ParryAll

05-05-2006, 10:29 AM

The odds would be just a bit over six percent (6.125, if all of the matchups are true coinflips). Hell, the odds of that happening even if the foregin teams were only 10% likely to win their match, one of them would advance over a third of the time.

As for the OCVs, that's even uglier. Again assuming a coinflip for each match in the matchup, one team will sweep the other 12.5% of the time. That is higher than one would expect at first glance, but the odds of that happening across multiple teams drops very quickly -- 00.024% likely, in fact. Less than one tenth of one percent of the time!

So it's pretty clear that the rest of the world isn't up to Japan (dur?). What if the foregin players had a 10% chance? That would mean having a teamwin rate of less than one percent! (0.937%) The foregin team gets swept just under 73% of the time (72.9%), and the odds of all four teams getting swept are still below 30% (28.25%).

In short: while each individual match means relatively little, I think there is enough evidence here (even in this small sample) to say that the rest of the world got owned. There may be many outside factors to explain some of this away (of which I would have no idea about), from just running bad at life to awkward conditions to bird flu, but it is fairly safe to say that the rest of the world's best players are not on par with Japan's best players. In other news, the sky is blue.

-Dippy

Jeez man where the hell do you go to school Harvard?

This part made me laugh:

In short: while each individual match means relatively little, I think there is enough evidence here (even in this small sample) to say that the rest of the world got owned.

mexicanryu

05-05-2006, 11:03 AM

I just talked to him on aim.
Basically he told me:
The skill gap b/t the US and Jap. is very clear once again, and the US teams where clearly outclassed.

me (11:10:42 AM): Anything new? Style/tricks wise. Or was it the same shit and you guys just got outplayed
mopreme (11:10:56 AM): they are just way better
me (11:10:57 AM): It's hard to believe you guys got swept like that
mopreme (11:11:06 AM): you wouldnt understand unless you saw first hand.
mopreme (11:12:24 AM): They are WAY better

I guess the only reason US did well at EVO was because it was on console. :sad:

N+6

05-05-2006, 11:21 AM

The Japanese have great arcades all over the place right?

The US has a few arcades near/in every big city with some machines(hopefully in working order) right?

I'd guess the US 3s scene should just give up on 3s on an international level. Leave the foreign SBO slots to the more deserving japanese teams. Should probably give up on all arcade games on an international level...

Does anyone have any idea how much the Japanese Arcade Market makes a year compared to the US Arcade Market?

GoLD-ReaVeR

05-05-2006, 11:36 AM

Preppy: what I was saying is that you can't take your american or european playstyle to japan and be a least bit succesfull with it. Japanese have usually seen it, done it and know how to counter it.

But again, that's just what I think:P

Chupacabra

05-05-2006, 12:08 PM

Hydro

05-05-2006, 12:14 PM

I had High Hopes but thanks for lettin me Down:sad:

marn

05-05-2006, 12:15 PM

Spirit Juice

05-05-2006, 12:25 PM

The US will never be better than Japan in the fighting games both countries play seriously... it's just a hard fact of life. Fighting games are simply the most popular games in Japan (that are played competitively), the while scene in the US is slowly dying. Fighting games is to Japan as FPS is to the US.

Sabin

05-05-2006, 12:37 PM

"Japan's Homeland Security is serious."

two2tone

05-05-2006, 01:28 PM

You're just saying that because you're fucking shitty at all games and live in the middle of nowhereassichusetts.

US will be up there soon

co-signed

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 01:28 PM

For all the haters that have ZERO experience in even placing top 10 let alone an international invitational tourney-

1 game single elimination = all it takes is ONE guy to be on fire from the team and GG peace out.

For example...(but this was 2/3 so u can see the difference of how it feels to be ggpo on 1 game) amir/me/john d vs sextaro/shadini/pyro...during an interface team tourney...

sextaro ocv's us the first meeting in winners finals....(1 game)
in grand finals amir ocvs pyros team twice....(2/3)

ask yourself....if team wc,ec had another chance to play the same team they lost to....would it have the same outcome??

fubarduck

05-05-2006, 01:47 PM

ask yourself....if team wc,ec had another chance to play the same team they lost to....would it have the same outcome??

Unfortunately, that kind of mentality is part of what makes American players so weak in general. You already have two chances to win in a single match; that's why it's two out of three rounds. American tournaments build up this idea that you have an entire match to get warmed up before you start playing "seriously" or whatever. Japanese players are warmed up in the first ten seconds.

It doesn't matter if the next match would have had the same outcome--if we couldn't win it, it means we were not prepared for their tournament format, which is what determines the victor. And for the record, I think the second match in a 2/3 set yields the same outcome at least 70% of the time.

You can't just abolish the 2/3 format in the US because people have to travel so far to play and everybody wants to feel like it was worth the trip, but it is definitely a factor in why so many Americans cannot incorporate a solid tournament mentality.

THE ANSWER

05-05-2006, 01:59 PM

"Japan's Homeland Security is serious."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Good shit Art.

I WAS starting to play 3S :sweat: cause I felt confident that me living close to FFA would help me chatch up with the rest of the US and Jap quickly :looney:, after this news I think I better stick to my roots.

Now MAGO in the KOF XI Finals?:confused: WTF we owned his ass hard last year at EVO, 10/12 of our members took his money. Well maybe he really practice hard or something, I hope to see him this year at EVO.

I see peole complaining that the US teams would have done better if it was 2/3 instead of one match, I say its bull shit, IMO thats one on the qualities that make the Japs so good, they play with everything they got every match cause that match might be their last one. Here we take it easy "Ho its only the firts match I'll get him on the next one no worries"then "Shit I'll just comeback from loosers", I truly believe that if the US starts to use the one match single elimination system, in their Tourneys, even the big ones (EVO, TS, MW) it will FORCE players to raise their skill level, I can almost guarantee it.

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 02:01 PM

THE ANSWER

05-05-2006, 02:06 PM

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 02:12 PM

LOL
who says US players arent playing their best within the first 10 seconds....

4649

05-05-2006, 02:32 PM

Dayum, I just realized KOFXI had no mention of Frionel....did he get peaced out early? I figured what with his 100% Duolon / K' combo he'd get pretty far....

Hydro

05-05-2006, 02:35 PM

I had High Hopes but thanks for lettin me Down:sad:Hey Im not hatin on my boys but I know its hard as fuck to Win in a International Tourney.

Just wanted better Results this Year cause I waited So long for this, they will bounce back the 3s Scene is still big so we will have more crazier teams to come for SBO5:tup:

Spirit Juice

05-05-2006, 02:36 PM

Kindebu himself has said that 2/3 format allows players to make mistakes. In single elimination, one game format, one mistake and you're out of the tournament. I really don't believe "flukes" apply to fighting games. Forcing a mistake is not a fluke at all. A fluke would be something like one of your opponent's buttons suddenly going out in the middle of the match.

Unfortunately, Fubar is right: the double elim. format, 2/3 games needs to go, as it does hurt the American scene... but it cannot ever be abolished because it would not make tournaments worthwhile here in America.

kainzero

05-05-2006, 02:38 PM

Unfortunately, that kind of mentality is part of what makes American players so weak in general. You already have two chances to win in a single match; that's why it's two out of three rounds. American tournaments build up this idea that you have an entire match to get warmed up before you start playing "seriously" or whatever. Japanese players are warmed up in the first ten seconds.

It doesn't matter if the next match would have had the same outcome--if we couldn't win it, it means we were not prepared for their tournament format, which is what determines the victor. And for the record, I think the second match in a 2/3 set yields the same outcome at least 70% of the time.

You can't just abolish the 2/3 format in the US because people have to travel so far to play and everybody wants to feel like it was worth the trip, but it is definitely a factor in why so many Americans cannot incorporate a solid tournament mentality.
1 game doesn't really say a lot... seriously if you wanted to really see who the best is, we would play first to 100000000000001. but that would take forever, therefore it's better to have at least a reasonable amount of games to determine who should advance. if time weren't an issue it would be great to have every set 3/5, the more games played the less error there is in terms of skill.

having 1 game is just more exciting but not as big of a determination of skill. that's what we want in america, not this 1 game entertainment crap. the march madness tournament is more exciting to watch than the nba playoffs, but can you really tell me that george mason is better than uconn? for that one game, YES, but if they played 3/5 the results would be completely different.

i do agree that it's part of the tournament format of SBO of 1 match and losses are part of the tournament. but that doesn't mean that their tournament format is better.

as for the other shit in this thread...
fuck this shit about people slacking off and giving up a free match. i hate losing at any level and i assume every real competitor hates that too unless they're trying to sandbag and gain a psychological advantage.

and what the hell is all this shit about "ohhh japan is so much better let's just give up the us fucking sucks we're never gonna get as good as them." fuck that. that's why you guys aren't in SBO and are complaining behind a computer screen.

fubarduck

05-05-2006, 02:39 PM

LOL
who says US players arent playing their best within the first 10 seconds....

The results of Super Battle Opera.

THE ANSWER

05-05-2006, 02:46 PM

Specially the way Forgenyuro describes how KOFiend was eliminated.

FMJaguar

05-05-2006, 02:51 PM

The same principles that US players learn by 2/3, japan players have by entering another tournament.

The ONLY mentality difference between japan and us that's worth talking about is that in a japan persons mind, a fighting game is basically the same as going to the corner store, and in the US's persons mind, it's a ton of work to even find enough people to support a real scene. Everything else is a distraction, and an attempt to provide a quick fix to the real problems in the US scene instead of actually trying to solve them.

Build a solid tournament scene, give solid tournament prizes, and you'll see a solid tournament mentality. Or you can chase the japanese carrot forever too, your choice.

bill_rizer

05-05-2006, 02:51 PM

and what the hell is all this shit about "ohhh japan is so much better let's just give up the us fucking sucks we're never gonna get as good as them." fuck that. that's why you guys aren't in SBO and are complaining behind a computer screen.

so Where are you at ?

you just Contradicted yourself.

People are just Surprised in the manner non jap teams lost.

Soundbwoy

05-05-2006, 02:56 PM

I can't go for that Single elimination argument. This still doesn't explain OVCs

Since its 3v3, if a guy loses the first match between two teams, there are still two members in that team who will play. If one dude beats all three guys in a team, I think that says something more about skill level than luck/randomness.

Master Chibi

05-05-2006, 02:57 PM

A-fucking-men FMJ, A-fucking-men.

evilj

05-05-2006, 03:00 PM

if it's single game, they should make it 3/5 rounds, though that will never happen. sometimes people are playing their best off the bat, but you need time to adapt and see patterns to take advantage of the latter rounds. it's highly possible to make 3 round comebacks and adds a lot of drama to the match.

I.E. player 1 goes up 2 rounds to 0, player 2 fights hard for number 3, manages to adapt and do well in number 4, and the critical round 5 last match, can player 1 hold it down and not choke? or will player 2 be riding off the momentum of the last two rounds and make a comeback?

DRAMA

overall single game is still stupid, I worked my way through a single game, gamestop soul calibur 2 tournament (clearly being the best one there) i was playing Xianghua my first time and copying vids and using basic fighting game tactics. i lost in the final to a 8 year old mexican kid mashing kid, if i had one more game, i coulda switched characters to nightmare and won.

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 03:01 PM

The results of Super Battle Opera.

you seem pro japan....

are you satisfied with take the win and run?
or to prove you are really better than the other??

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 03:08 PM

Soundbwoy

05-05-2006, 03:09 PM

CaliPower,

Regardless of the way they do things, were are sending are best players, to the land of the best compitition...and year after year we are getting taken out in the first round.

We gotta adjust to them some how

two2tone

05-05-2006, 03:17 PM

They just got lucky!

CaliPower

05-05-2006, 03:22 PM

i said earlier in this thread that the results are typical...

even from japans standpoint...

theres no consistency witht he 1 game format

its whoever is on fire that day...

TFGM

05-05-2006, 03:43 PM

You know, that's exactly what I always want to see, I mean the reason why US beats Japan in Marvel is because they don't give a shit about Marvel, but I've always wanted to see the day that they will own up the US in Marvel and then see how the US will be like. If top Japanese players were to learn and play Marvel I'm pretty sure they'll take that as well.

One day, they will learn the game JUST to make the US feel bad....one day.

I disagree, Japan doesn't care about Marvel because its not what they are good at. If they took the game seriously then it would be a great thing being that the gamers over here in the west will have a fair playing field to compete. No mooks/tech guides, time and equipment issues. However I doubt that is going to happen. USA plays the games that they are proficient at even with the odds against them, however will they play a game that we are completely proficient against them? The Empire will put money on a world team match. Empire vs. Japan 10,000 k and we'll give them 6 months to a year to get ready. To be honest I don't even think they would be able to beat Team USA period let alone the Empire's Marvel team.

Team: Give us 10k
Justin
Santhrax
Yipes
Desmond
Ricky

fubarduck

05-05-2006, 03:43 PM

i said earlier in this thread that the results are typical...

even from japans standpoint...

theres no consistency witht he 1 game format

its whoever is on fire that day...
Well, you said it yourself. What matters is who places higher in the tournament. Right? Anyone can adjust to playing the same person over and over. Isn't beating several people in a 2 out of 3 round match more consistent than beating the same person 5 times in a row?

To be perfectly fair, you're right. 1 game format and 2/3 format will sometimes yield different results. Sometimes, a player is stronger in the 1 game format than in the 2/3 format, and vice versa. The point that I am trying to show is that while there is no superior format, a 1 game format yields players who make less mistakes and can adjust more quickly.

Do you really think every match in Street Fighter should be 2/3, 3/5, or 4/7? It depends on what quality you think makes a better Street Fighter player. If you think consistency and learning your opponent's tricks and habits over time with lots of room for trial and error is the best Street Fighter player, then clearly SBO does not mean anything to you. However, this is not how Japan determines the champion. The champion in Japan is determined by flawless play and reading/trying to counter what your opponent will try on you in one match. Coincedentally or not, these traits also tend to yield people who can be champions in a 2/3 or 3/5 format as well, but not always.

When you're in another man's country, though, you respect their laws and you play by their rules. You can't lose the event and then say it was a fluke because it wasn't 2/3. A "fluke" would have been their controller breaking and nobody noticing until after the match.

I disagree, Japan doesn't care about Marvel because its what they are not good at.
No idiot

The same principles that US players learn by 2/3, japan players have by entering another tournament.
I hope the red font your name is written in means that you are never allowed to make another post. Out of about 10,000 posts (I think you make one about every thirty seconds) I remember about two of them being moderately intelligent. The rest are you trying to play devil's advocate so you can be the "totally intelligent SRK guy". You're not fooling us, though! ^_^ After you have lived in Japan and studied the gaming scene for a year, you would never make such an ignorant and uninformed comment.

TFGM

05-05-2006, 03:47 PM

"Japan's Homeland Security is serious."

Damn art...just steal my shit why don't you.

TFGM

05-05-2006, 03:53 PM

No idiot.

Classic SRK...

Post your opinion...and they call you names. Your right Arturo S.tupid R.etarted K.ids.

fubarduck

05-05-2006, 03:57 PM

Classic SRK...

Post your opinion...and they call you names. Your right Arturo S.tupid R.etarted K.ids.

I disagree, Japan doesn't care about Marvel because its not what they are good at.

You did not post an opinion, you posted a fact. Opinions are typically followed by sentences prefixes such as "I think that . . .", "It seems to me that . . ." or "I don't know anything about Japan, but . . ." Your fact was wrong, so I called you an idiot, which was appropriate.

fubarduck: 2
TFGM: 0

TFGM

05-05-2006, 04:01 PM

You did not post an opinion, you posted a fact. Opinions are typically followed by sentences prefixes such as "I think that . . .", "It seems to me that . . ." or "I don't know anything about Japan, but . . ." Your fact was wrong, so I called you an idiot, which was appropriate.

fubarduck: 2
TFGM: 0

sighs....

o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

fact ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Basically, your reply about what an opinion is, even though you followed your own definition of what a fact is...is still an opinion. I stated that "I" disagreed, that alone shows that I am simply stating my opinion. Moving on from that now....although you have a right to express verbal derogatory comments to whomever you want, it is not appropriate. I did not call you a name and just out of being a respectful person you should not have called me a name. So instead of trying to make up a intelligent excuse to save face and pride, swallow it and apologize. Behave as the age you are not the one that your comment suggest.

Heh...this guy is keeping a track of score as if we are competing.

GoLD-ReaVeR

05-05-2006, 04:03 PM

Fuberduck has been hitting the nail on the head with succesive strikes. I even notice in dutch and belgium tourneys where people HAVE too switch characters, because the one(their MAIN) they developed most has been figured out completely. Not to mention the fact that the same Yun vs the same Yun becomes boring for spectators.

4/7 is currently how the finals are played here and it swallows up about 30 minutes. And after those 30 minutes the real final starts and... you guessed it, that takes another 30 minutes. Take note that neither Belgium or Dutch tourneys are able to meet their schedules.

Now about the 1 game flukes. COULD BE, BUT... there is also a 4 game fluke would happen, or 8 game, or 16 game or whatever. Ofcourse the chance should slim down significantly since both players are falling asleep by then. One of the fellow dutchies however did some behaviour/habits/mixup research on Nuki. For an entire ranking battle Nuki hasn't used the same sequence more then once. So now lets say that he plays 8 games in the ranking battle and wins em all.

Now for calculation purposes let it be he fights against the same character the entire ranking battle. Even leaving out the differences in players he plays against... What then are the odds of an 8 game fluke?

GoLD-ReaVeR

05-05-2006, 04:08 PM

sighs....

o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

fact ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Basically, your reply about what an opinion is, even though you followed your own definition of what a fact is...is still an opinion. I stated that "I" disagreed, that alone shows that I am simply stating my opinion. Moving on from that now....although you have a right to express verbal derogatory comments to whomever you want, it is not appropriate. I did not call you a name and just out of being a respectful person you should not have called me a name. So instead of trying to make up a intelligent excuse to save face and pride, swallow it and apologize. Behave as the age you are not the one that your comment suggest.

Heh...this guy is keeping a track of score as if we are competing.
If you just said you were shouting random things...

TFGM

05-05-2006, 04:12 PM

If you just said you were shouting random things...

I was just posting what I thought if Japan took Marvel seriously and disagreed with someones comment about them and their proficiency. I don't see what is wrong with that. I shouldn't have to post that "I'm shouting random things" to give people a heads up. So long as I do not insult anyone or call them any names I'm entitled to my opinion. Do you not agree?

Juicy G

05-05-2006, 04:18 PM

Quit de-railing the thread plz thx.

N+6

05-05-2006, 04:20 PM

TFGM knows how to use a dictionary.

fubarduck

05-05-2006, 04:21 PM

I was just posting what I thought if Japan took Marvel seriously and disagreed with someones comment about them and their proficiency. I don't see what is wrong with that. I shouldn't have to post that "I'm shouting random things" to give people a heads up. So long as I do not insult anyone or call them any names I'm entitled to my opinion. Do you not agree?

You're completely entitled to your opinion, but the English language is the only common means which we have to communicate here on SRK. If you cannot use it correctly and concisely, you cannot expect anything you ever post to be taken seriously.

Chupacabra

05-05-2006, 04:22 PM

i said earlier in this thread that the results are typical...

even from japans standpoint...

theres no consistency witht he 1 game format

its whoever is on fire that day...

you keep mentioning flukes and consistency.

i actually think you have to be MUCH more consistent in the one game format. you cant make mistakes. you have to play extremely, extremely well. you might argue that its about luck then because playing flawlessly is more about luck than anything else. i disagree, if that was true then we wouldn't consistently see the same players in the later rounds of SBO. i know KO hasn't won, but why is he always near around there? why is kokujin always around? why is spellmaster J's team always in the final (aside from last time when he wasnt in there)? why are a number of players more or less consistently present in the later rounds?

the format for SBO is extremely tough. its not about flukes nor about "whos on fire". you have to be a very consistent player. you have to be an amazing player.

also, its not about being pro-japan or pro-american. we just aren't as good.

Chupacabra

05-05-2006, 04:29 PM

1 game tourneys has high fluke percentages......2/3 eliminates that....3/5 and so on....

thats why you dont see consistancy in japanese 1 game victories...
in ranbats....2/3 during semis....nuki is always on top.....most the time anyways...

uh...speaking of nuki, nuki and daigo consistently peaced out team after team in last year's 1 game tournament style SBO. nuki's team peaced out a lot of teams this year and made it to the semifinals, again in a 1 game tournament style. (i dont know how he did the two years before).

but either way, yeah, youre saying thats not consistancy[sic]? :looney:

TFGM

05-05-2006, 04:34 PM

TFGM knows how to use a dictionary.

Quit de-railing the thread plz thx.

You're completely entitled to your opinion, but the English language is the only common means which we have to communicate here on SRK. If you cannot use it correctly and concisely, you cannot expect anything you ever post to be taken seriously.

Yes the English language is the only common means which we have to communicate here on SRK; please state the obvious it gives you credibility to your post. I like how you are trying to suggest that I cannot use it corretly and concisely. Then I like how you also suggest that none of my post are ever taken seriously as if I made my post looking for you or anyone else approval. My post is just that...my post. It is my opinion and is left in the open for anyone to disagree or agree with. Returning me back to the very same reason why we are even at this point of this sub topic. Insulting me because of my opinion is not appropriate, and it is obvious that you are not going to apologize so it makes no sense chasing the matter, because then it will come off as if I am the one who derailed the thread although my opinion was based on the thread and not a personal verbal attack.

Perhaps the uneducated minds of SRK can be minipulated with your verbal attacks on other users for their opinions but it will not work on me. You may have the last word now, you need it to support your ego and image here on SRK or your fans will be dissapointed.

I'm done with the matter.

['__']

05-05-2006, 04:38 PM

i don't know why this gets on my nerves: SBO 3S is not a "one game tournament." you can't think about it in terms of individuals. this year's tournament was 3/5 games, to see which TEAM was the best... unless you're bitching about japanese tournaments in general.

fubarduck won the thread when he said "It depends on what quality you think makes a better Street Fighter player." we have a different set of values than the japanese, and it's worthless to argue over which value-set is "better." or maybe it's not, i dunno...

i forgot if i was trying to make any point...

Chupacabra

05-05-2006, 04:52 PM

values? what do you mean? we try to win each and every round right?

['__']

05-05-2006, 04:57 PM

i'm just going to steal from fubarduck again because i can't say it better myself:

american SF values: "consistency and learning your opponent's tricks and habits over time with lots of room for trial and error"

japanese: "flawless play and reading/trying to counter what your opponent will try on you in one match"

granted, i think that american tournaments still incorporate "reading/trying to counter", but it's not as hard when you have more time to read and get a feel for the opponent.

NINJA-EDIT(because im posting way too much)TFGM-- sorry i wasn't really addressing you.:sweat: i was mainly poking at the mess of posts between calipower (and company) vs fubarduck (and company). this thread IS about SBO.:wgrin:

TFGM

05-05-2006, 04:58 PM

"]i don't know why this gets on my nerves: SBO 3S is not a "one game tournament." you can't think about it in terms of individuals. this year's tournament was 3/5 games, to see which TEAM was the best... unless you're bitching about japanese tournaments in general.

fubarduck won the thread when he said "It depends on what quality you think makes a better Street Fighter player." we have a different set of values than the japanese, and it's worthless to argue over which value-set is "better." or maybe it's not, i dunno...

i forgot if i was trying to make any point...

Just to make my point clear ['_'] I'm talking about why Japan doesn't play Marvel. Thats all. I brought the Empire into the matter because I would like to see them against some of the Empire's best Marvel players. I even included USA because I think outside of the Empire's team only Team USA can stand toe to toe and even that depends. This is not to suggest anything about teams or the years of SBO or anything else. It is simply about marvel and the top players that I think can take on any one, team, unit, clan, entity or what not in the world (Now) not back then or SBO 4, 3, 2 or 1. What happen in the past stays there. (I did not post this to give you an attitude, I am just giving you my full perspective of what my origional post suggested).

THE ANSWER

05-05-2006, 05:05 PM

i said earlier in this thread that the results are typical...

even from japans standpoint...

theres no consistency witht he 1 game format

its whoever is on fire that day...

Now would you let a doctor perform an open heart surgery on you if he tells you that he needs 2/3 or maybe 3/5 tries to get it right? :wink: or go in there saying "God I really hope this doctor is on fire today"

I see more consistency on someone who can perfome at hes best every single match under any situation compare that on someone who needs to be on fire and needs a game or two to warm up.

Hopefully people learn from this SEVERE Jap lesson, and actually start coming up with new way of how to raise the US level, my idea would be to have all the upcoming tourney 1 match single elimination all the way to EVO, and then will see if it actually help in anyway, if it doesnt then will atleast know that is not the reason they are so good. But atleast, people need to start trying something new.

Overworld

05-05-2006, 05:20 PM

Well nothing to do now but look forward to trying again next year.

Soundbwoy

05-05-2006, 06:11 PM

LOL,

I think that we're all bothered b/c we just knew that Japan wasn't going to handle our boys this time. But......

And thats why there is more debate than usual.

FMJaguar

05-05-2006, 06:24 PM

To be perfectly fair, you're right. 1 game format and 2/3 format will sometimes yield different results. Sometimes, a player is stronger in the 1 game format than in the 2/3 format, and vice versa. The point that I am trying to show is that while there is no superior format, a 1 game format yields players who make less mistakes and can adjust more quickly.

A good player wants to make as few mistakes and possible, and adjust in the quickest time possible, regardless of how the tournament is structured.

If we make all the 3s games one round and make cvs2 R4 only, does that mean that our players will make even LESS mistakes than japan? Of course not, because it was never the deciding factor to begin with.

If players choose to waste their time, they will do it regardless, with their first cvs2 char, with the first round in 3s, with the first 10 seconds of marvel, whatever.

Good players know that the less mistakes they make, and the quicker they adapt, the more they will win, you don't need a scene wide format change to promote it, just some common sense.

When you're in another man's country, though, you respect their laws and you play by their rules. You can't lose the event and then say it was a fluke because it wasn't 2/3. A "fluke" would have been their controller breaking and nobody noticing until after the match.

I agree, what happened happened. I'm saying that '1/1 breeds better players than 2/3' is not a SBO lesson. Of course to me saying "your format breeds players that are more flawed and can't adapt as well" sounds disrespectful as well.

The rest are you trying to play devil's advocate so you can be the "totally intelligent SRK guy". You're not fooling us, though! ^_^ After you have lived in Japan and studied the gaming scene for a year, you would never make such an ignorant and uninformed comment.

You want to have a real study that isolates the 1/1 format, play in some US tournies to see your current skill level, go to japan for a year, but don't go to any arcades, don't talk to or room with any fighting game players, play in 10 or less 1/1 tournies for the year. For 2-3 of the tournaments break your joystick first, then for the rest put the arcade machine on wheels so it moves around all match. After that come back to the US and win evo, then i'll accept your study.

Just to clarify, if your not running a tourney now, and 1/1 inspires you to do so, by all means go for it. There is nothing wrong with choosing to play 1/1, as long as it's made for the right reasons (easier on time/equipment, casual observer interest, etc..).

If ppl wanna run a bunch of ADDITIONAL japan style tournaments I would be thrilled, but the 'mentality' seems to be to take the people that are actually running events and tell them how they are holding the scene back in every way possible, based on the extensive research of "asking kindevu what he thinks about running a US scene", and "observing the japan scene for a year to tell us things we knew 5 years ago".

P.S. If kindevu wants to endorse 1/1, he can send his CvS2 money back for choking up that first round against tokido.

Hydro

05-05-2006, 06:38 PM

I disagree, Japan doesn't care about Marvel because its not what they are good at. If they took the game seriously then it would be a great thing being that the gamers over here in the west will have a fair playing field to compete. No mooks/tech guides, time and equipment issues. However I doubt that is going to happen. USA plays the games that they are proficient at even with the odds against them, however will they play a game that we are completely proficient against them? The Empire will put money on a world team match. Empire vs. Japan 10,000 k and we'll give them 6 months to a year to get ready. To be honest I don't even think they would be able to beat Team USA period let alone the Empire's Marvel team.

Team: Give us 10k
Justin
Santhrax
Yipes
Desmond
RickyDo you stroke it before you kiss it or the other way around:confused: What you said has nothing to do with anything,The US loves 3s its the most favorite game right now.Japan loves it to (not sure if it their favorite game)We tryed and failed again but we wont Quit or say lets have a World Marvel Tourney that wont make up for 3s Sbo4(Thats what we want).:confused: No Marvel Talk only 3s:confused:

Our problem is the Community of 3s & Arcades its dying.Japan has so many Players/Styles.

HERES THE BIGGER PROBLEM WE LOOK AT JAPAN AND COPY THEIR STYLE SO HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE GONNA WIN TRYIN THEIR SHIT ON THEM:confused:

And/or we have just been OutClassed.

We'll do better next year:tup:

'Warning these are not Actual Facts this was just an opinion':rofl:

Quit de-railing the thread plz thx.Stop Keepin It Real:lovin:

Naysayism 2.0

05-05-2006, 07:10 PM

Alright, so who is playing KOF XI now?

shadowcharlie

05-05-2006, 07:41 PM

does the K in it stand for kula? =/

Naysayism 2.0

05-05-2006, 07:47 PM

does the K in it stand for kula? =/

O for Oswald too right?

evilmuffinmanX

05-05-2006, 08:07 PM

F is for Gato!

wait a min..:wtf:

THE ANSWER

05-05-2006, 08:33 PM

Alright, so who is playing KOF XI now?

I wish people would start playing it.

Its funny how KOF has been at SBO for the last 3 years and 0 at EVO. Marvel has been 4 years at EVO and O at SBO. :rofl: funny, not only they got skill but good taste.

nothingxs

05-05-2006, 08:44 PM

I don't know about you guys, but this has actually gotten me even more fired up for the future of US 3S. Because Japan's like "we stepped it up" and now it's our turn to chase them back again.

MagnetGenocide

05-05-2006, 11:04 PM

I don't know about you guys, but this has actually gotten me even more fired up for the future of US 3S. Because Japan's like "we stepped it up" and now it's our turn to chase them back again.

QFT :lovin:

stream3

05-05-2006, 11:47 PM

too much crying about 1 game vs 2/3, etc, etc. They may be better conditioned due to the format (versus the US players), but throw out all the variables, excuses, whatnot. Decry the dearth of competition in the US, blame the joysticks, etc, etc. The fact remains that they are clearly better at 3s. They have better competition, and they have been playing at a super high level for so long. OCV is a pretty definitive statement... the only game we own is marvel.

For all the excuses made, let's look at marvel... we would beat japan at marvel in any tourney format, joysticks, country. JWong would kill them blindfolded with one arm behind his back. All that matters is having lots of competition.

Let's look at the results... Pyro's team actually did pretty damn good at SBO2, getting within a round of the top four.

This year, all foreign teams OCVed. The fact is, we still have never placed in a huge Japanese tournament.

Conversely, the japs have come to evo and taken our lunch money in 3s every single time. Sure random japs get beaten (usually by other japs), and a couple US players sneak into the top places. But they always take it. No big deal, they play it way more than we do.

same with ST, CVS2, GGXX ...

Chupacabra

05-06-2006, 12:18 AM

Let's look at the results... a year ago Pyro's team actually did pretty damn good at SBO3, getting within a round of the top four.

actually his team lost in the first round or round of 32 or whatever its called

Josh-TheFunkDOC

05-06-2006, 12:34 AM

Come on, guys. This is a basic rule of any competitive game: More trials (matches, in this case) reduces volatility, and reducing volatility increases skill.

I'm sure you guys promoting 1-match tourneys would also believe that no-limit is the most skillful form of poker, right? After all, that's the form where one mistake can literally cost you everything, so you need to be very careful.

Well, you would be very, very wrong. Almost every professional player will tell you that pot-limit wins over no-limit hands down; the betting is still large enough so that one wrong move can seriously hurt you, but you can't be taken out by one lucky outdraw from an opponent. This is very common in no-limit poker and thus increases the amount of luck involved in no-limit.

And yes, there is luck in ANY competitive game. For instance, in baseball (generally speaking), it has been determined that the worst team in the major leagues has a 1/6 chance of beating the best team in a best-of-5 series. I wouldn't be surprised if SBO had a similar variance level, although it would depend on the game.

What does that mean, regarding this thread? Well, it's certainly not meant to make excuses for the foreign teams; Dipstick posted some statistics earlier in this thread that illustrate how impressive the beatdowns were. But it IS meant to show that 2/3 matches will give a clearer picture of skill. And as to why Japan uses single-match, I suspect that's based on metaphysical concepts that have little or no basis in fact (like "clutch ability" in sports). Additionally, there are a lot more tournaments over there than over here; even though they are single-match and single-elim, the sheer number of them, taken together, gives one a good idea of the skill levels. We don't hold that many in the US, so it would be much tougher to draw conclusions if they were 1 game.

-Josh

KrsJin

05-06-2006, 12:37 AM

For all the haters that have ZERO experience in even placing top 10 let alone an international invitational tourney-

1 game single elimination = all it takes is ONE guy to be on fire from the team and GG peace out.

Amen.
It's a shame, it's a bit of a shock. But thems the breaks. Not like those who lose can't play the game again :D To me losing can actually be fun in some cases. (in this case, getting the chance to travel to play major tournies would be fun as hell in itself) But losing can be fun in that it can be a major motivator. Gets you psyched to get that much better, that much more prepared to be be able to beat what once beat you.

Anyway, props to the contestants in 3S who made qualifiers, I really envy you guys to be able to take your game to that level. Best of luck next time doods.

ThyAllMighty

05-06-2006, 01:43 AM

dude, fubarduck, you are fucking beasting i love it

let's just play more 3s guys....next chance....evo....

SrWilson3S

05-06-2006, 04:28 AM

US - Owned :rofl:

France bums - Owned :rofl:and by a Akuma player too haha wicked :D!

Japan are unstoppable !!

I saw some peeps on here making excuses in the thread about oh we can beat Japs we just gotta adapt to em .......... :rofl: You've had 6 years to try and your still no better :rofl:

gilimanolo

05-06-2006, 05:19 AM

Is the Mago that got 3rd at KOF XI the same Mago who uses C-Honda in cvs2?

GoLD-ReaVeR

05-06-2006, 05:37 AM

Come on, guys. This is a basic rule of any competitive game: More trials (matches, in this case) reduces volatility, and reducing volatility increases skill.

And that's simply not true. In FPS the reason there's a 2/3 format is because most people don't agree on the same map. And every map there has a different layout. So it wouldn't be fair to pick the map that only one of the players likes. Nor would it be fair to pick a map which neither player likes and neither of them can play on. A match here takes 15 minutes, and from that it takes a total of 10 minutes of item running and 5 minutes of fighting. Sometimes it takes 5 minutes item gathering and 10 minutes spawnrape...

Starcraft it's pretty much the same story, the maps are different, promote different tactics etc etc. Here it takes at least 5 minutes to get your base up just a bit. 5 more minutes to complete the buildorder you were starting out with(given you didn't have to make adjustments). Thus matches take 15-20 minutes, sometimes can go up to 2 hours(on korean level too). Depending on the tournament a 2/3 or 3/5 format is used. But keep in mind that these players have a pretty good idea how the opponent tends to deal with them before the match starts.

Street Fighter(and any other (decent)fighting game) has the same rectangle map layout. So there's no different things enforced. 99 seconds is plenty of time to gain a steady win. And here one (game) match is 2/3. And this is thus the only gametype where people sting up multiple matches to obtain a 'fair' winner.

Eric J

05-06-2006, 06:10 AM