VF5 PS3 exclusive

[polarity]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150470

Just wanted to post this so I can laugh at all you faggots who insisted - despite no official statement from Sega - that this was never going to get a console release. :D

[Khiempossible]

I always new it was hitting console, I'm just annoyed that it's ps3 exclusive. I have little faith in the capabilities of the PS3 and Sony's ability to carry it through at the moment; I was hoping Sega would open up to the 360. Ah well, who can complain about VF?

[_MJ_#R]

will it be online. . .

[Demon Dash]

^No.

[bill_rizer]

I always new it was hitting console, I'm just annoyed that it's ps3 exclusive. I have little faith in the capabilities of the PS3 and Sony's ability to carry it through at the moment; I was hoping Sega would open up to the 360. Ah well, who can complain about VF?

what after all their 1st set of exclusive games bomed on the Original xbox, Im glad they learned their lesson.

[The Switcher]

Thank god. No more great Sega franchises dying on the Xbox.

[tuelpo]

Must hone SPOD skillz....

Now the big question, will our nifty PS2 sticks work on PS3?

I haven't paid much attention, have they released any controller format info?

[Xero Kaiser]

Thank god. No more great Sega franchises dying on the Xbox.

Yeah, now they can die on the Playstation like Altered Beast

[GGL-steve]

Thank god. No more great Sega franchises dying on the Xbox.

I don't think the problem was the console, I think the problem was sega in general

[WasFemto]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150470

Just wanted to post this so I can laugh at all you faggots who insisted - despite no official statement from Sega - that this was never going to get a console release. :D


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I myself used to wonder why people were so fucking retarded when it came to this subject.

Apparently the Xbox boards are saying VF is garbage and that they would rather have Killer Instinct anyway...:rofl:

[caliagent#3]

I think a big reason why it's not gonna be on 360 is becuase it's not gonna be online. Many people aren't gonna buy a fighting game on the 360 without having online play.

[bill_rizer]

Killer Instinct ??? lol dont worry im sure the 360 will get a mame mod, fools Killer Instinct 3 would be shit, they would problay have 1button do a 60hit plus combo or something.

"JERUS!!!"- terry bogard MI2 engrish

[ParryAll]

Yeah, now they can die on the Playstation like Altered Beast

And Shinobi.

Umm did anyone actually look at the screen shots? They look like shit.

Early or not that doesn't instill confidence.

[cygnus]

I'm sure it will look as good as the arcade version when it's released a year from now.

[Hunter D]

I'm sure it will look as good as the arcade version when it's released a year from now.
It will look better than the arcade version. The arcade version is running on a Nvidia 6800 GT. The game looks good, but I have seen better.

[firenze]

As for online... frankly, I don't think either 360 or PS3 could handle VF5 acceptably for online play. It's just too precise to overcome even slight lag. I'd rather have no online play than a dumbed down "just for goofing around" sort of gameplay where you can't play a serious match because your timing is just a fraction off in a game that demands perfect timing.

[polarity]

As for online... frankly, I don't think either 360 or PS3 could handle VF5 acceptably for online play. It's just too precise to overcome even slight lag. I'd rather have no online play than a dumbed down "just for goofing around" sort of gameplay where you can't play a serious match because your timing is just a fraction off in a game that demands perfect timing.

You'd rather have nothing than something which, if it turns out to be bad, you can just ignore anyway? Please let's not get into this retarded argument again.

[Chachi]

Sounds like Sony throwing more money around out of fear of losing sales to the 360 version.

[GGL-steve]

As for online... frankly, I don't think either 360 or PS3 could handle VF5 acceptably for online play. It's just too precise to overcome even slight lag. I'd rather have no online play than a dumbed down "just for goofing around" sort of gameplay where you can't play a serious match because your timing is just a fraction off in a game that demands perfect timing.

It's not about handling it, it's about getting more people to play it. Fair or not online play is becoming a "standard offering" and games will be penalized from a lack of it. I could easily see some consoles trying to enforce online play and excluding titles that don't have it because it wouldn't negatively impact their image.

[noodalls]

Online play is becoming a "standard offering" and games will be penalized from a lack of it.

Pretty flowery CG ending sequences have been standard offerings for years, and Sega has never really cared. I'm sure they'll provide the game that they want to.

[FMJaguar]

Pretty flowery CG ending sequences have been standard offerings for years, and Sega has never really cared. I'm sure they'll provide the game that they want to.

Which sucks, I guess i'll clear a space next to VF4:Evo on the shelf of games that would be worth playing if they were online.

[platinum_pinoy]

Which sucks, I guess i'll clear a space next to VF4:Evo on the shelf of games that would be worth playing if they were online.


Any fighter online will lose its charm when timing goes awry. If anything, I'd like to see an E3 annoucement from some internet nerds who'll say "We've eliminated lag!"

[m121akuma]

Well, that's 2 reasons to buy a PS3. Still, the price is gonna be the biggest factor.

[final_cut]

I can't find it, but There was an interview with a developer from the VF series on 1up not too long ago who stated that "Virtua Fighter 5 will not be online, ever" or something to that effect. apparently they did not want lag to be a factor at all, and they want it to play as well as possible. I don't see them being able to promote it as effectively as an xbox 360 game in that light.

[ParryAll]

Which sucks, I guess i'll clear a space next to VF4:Evo on the shelf of games that would be worth playing if they were online.

VF with lag? No thank you.

Pretty flowery CG ending sequences have been standard offerings for years, and Sega has never really cared. I'm sure they'll provide the game that they want to.

Haha truth.

[bill_rizer]

great the ps3 price tag has been Announced doing some conversion the ps3 60gig will cost 400 pounds (thats alot!), their is the cheaper 20gig one, but whos going to buy that, also tekken 6 was shown and vf5.

price details.

http://uk.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149470


quote:

"PS3 hits US November 17, $499 for 20GB version, $599 for 60GB"

[Shifty Nevers]

Must hone SPOD skillz....

Now the big question, will our nifty PS2 sticks work on PS3?

I haven't paid much attention, have they released any controller format info?

i'd imagine you'd have to connect through the usb port with an adaptor since it's a wireless system

[GGL-steve]

Any fighter online will lose its charm when timing goes awry. If anything, I'd like to see an E3 annoucement from some internet nerds who'll say "We've eliminated lag!"


Same could be said of many games. I wouldn't play quake/unreal online because of lag issues, it's way to much for those games which are hair trigger... BUT since they have online the community grows even though the issues are so massive it baffles the mind.

At a certain point it's about dropping your ego and realizing what helps your community. Sure winning in an FPS/fighter online means shit since you can translate those skills to zero ping envrionments, but it does generate a player base.

FYI the best FPS/RTS gamers don't consider online worth anything, they hate it more then anything.

[Tawler]

FYI the best FPS/RTS gamers don't consider online worth anything, they hate it more then anything.

I'm sorry but that's just wrong. Having once been part of the Quake3 tourney community, I know that online was a great place to not only come across the best, but learn a thing or two as well. Sure lag set you back, but you learned to compensate for that half second and I came across guys on 56k modems who were incredible with the rail gun. And don't you doubt that they got no respect just becase they were winning on an internet server. Skill shows, no matter the shortcomings outside someone's control. Most people who bitched about lag were legitimately worse players, and players who did actually get killed because of a lag spike were respected by the other guy killing himself with a console command, assuming he was a respectable player.

As for VF5 on ps3... it's sad that Sony is gobbling up the fighters. That means at least $500 to play one of my favorite genres. I'm not willing to pay that much for a console, so I lose out.

[Mixah]

less than three

[Darkside3024]

"PS3 hits US November 17, $499 for 20GB version, $599 for 60GB"
So.............how much is the blood bank giving for blood?

[polarity]

great the ps3 price tag has been Announced doing some conversion the ps3 60gig will cost 400 pounds (thats alot!)

Hahaha, if you think the price in the UK is simply going to be the US price converted into pounds, you're being incredibly naive. When has that ever been the case for games here? Our prices are always jacked up somewhat, and then there's VAT on top of that.

[bill_rizer]

Hahaha, if you think the price in the UK is simply going to be the US price converted into pounds, you're being incredibly naive. When has that ever been the case for games here? Our prices are always jacked up somewhat, and then there's VAT on top of that.

actually I converted the euro's price, but yea it might be more, im still guessing around that 400 mark though, what people have to understand is that this is not just a console but all round entertainment media centre, hence the price.

[cygnus]

what people have to understand is that this is not just a console but all round entertainment media centre, hence the price.
lamo do you work for sony? BTW it's already been accounced, 500 euros for 20gig gimped version, 600 euros for 60gig non-gimped.

Why couldn't VF5 been exclusive to Wii? I could by a Wii, VF5, and a new Wii stick for less than a PS3. Hell buying a Lindbergh + VF5 a year from now seems like a more attractive option.

[Khiempossible]

buying a Lindbergh + VF5 a year from now seems like a more attractive option.

co-sign

[Wellman]

Damn, there goes my chance at owning it, unless they punk out and port it.

I am with Cygnus and Callmeanewb, until that price goes down, I might as well just buy the arcade.

[bill_rizer]

but what happens when they bring out vf5 evo lol, sega know how to bring fans back to the arcade so yea you might as well go that way.

[WasFemto]

I'll just wait for VF5:EVO.

[Eminent]

Well, that's 2 reasons to buy a PS3. Still, the price is gonna be the biggest factor.
Get a job.
And if you have one, save like 20 dollars a week.

[WasFemto]

Get a job.
And if you have one, save like 20 dollars a week.


Ronin just posted this in the E3 thread and it's the truest shit. Alot of it's been said but still he summed it up nicely.



Man, 600 bucks for the console alone? 40 for a controller, 2 games... I'm not paying 700-800+ for a game system. It's not happening. That's more than my fucking rent. Sony is out of their fucking minds. All you guys can go "Oh well, just save up." fuck all that. Anybody can save up the 800 needed for the system but I could be fixing stuff on my car, fuck, I could put that money into GAS for my car since it's over 3 fucking dollars anyway. There are a many many things this money could go towards and this really isn't something I even want to invest in. And that's what this is. An investment. I could take the 800 bucks and trick the FUCK outta my comp and get more functionality out of it than I would a blue ray DVD player that happens to be a playstation.

Fact is, this blu-ray shit is bullshit anyway. Sony made the choice to put blu-ray into the PS3 because they own the format. If they PS3 is incredibly successful, then studios and companies will flock to the format cause they'll already have an installed base of people who'll buy the discs. Thing is, Sony has ALWAYS done this, and their formats always fail. Mindisc. Betamax. UMD.

Come on. This shit is ridiculous. Everybody out there going "Oh, you get this, this and this". Thing is, I got half that shit on the machine that's letting me browse SRK. I got a PC. I don't need my PC and then a wannabe PC with a fancy DVD player. If the DVD player from the PS2 is any indication of the quality of the PS3's, then it's not even a very good Blu-ray DVD player.

Sony has always been successful because they had something for everybody. I don't know many people that are going to swallow an 800 dollar console (with games and controllers). This seems like a HORRIBLE price point for somebody who's led the industry by always breaking critical mass with their installed base. It's like they're shooting themselves in the foot and Ken Kuturagi is like "BUT IT'S A MASTERPIECE". Sorry, Ken, I'm not helping you buy another lexus.



ALOT of people feel this exact same way myself included. Fuck all that "Geta job" bullshit.

[bill_rizer]

nobody needs to rush into the next gen, this is all MS fault bringing 360 out, made sony jump start and now they want all their money back, im still enjoying my ps2 thanks looking forward to kof xi with its shit 90s graphics lol hell yea.

(yea im being sarcastic for the dumb ones out their, I luv kof fuck graphics)

the only next gen to have is a DS no joke lol, im getting one.

[Wellman]

Actually this isn't that big of a rush into the next generation. Granted the Xbox and the GC haven't been used to their full potential but that is only because most games are multiplatform and are dumbed down to run on the PS2 and not look like ass.

Really it is just that the systems are insanely expensive so I retract my statements. Your right MS and Sony did fuck up rushing into the next gen.

[CDL]

No Online Play = Rental

[SNkNuT]

dammit regardless of online play or not i'll still take it. but for 600+ cost of game + tax gets a hell no from me.

[tataki]

vf5=vf4=vf4evo

you will buy it-> you will get excited-> you will realize that like with every VF you have no one to play with-> you will sit alone in your room and cry.

[TS]

It's not about handling it, it's about getting more people to play it. Fair or not online play is becoming a "standard offering" and games will be penalized from a lack of it. I could easily see some consoles trying to enforce online play and excluding titles that don't have it because it wouldn't negatively impact their image.

The problem being that VF is already very popular- in Japan. Sega doesn't need more people to play it over there like they do in the West- and I think Sega has pretty much given up on making the game really popular over here.

[ParryAll]

For 600 dollars, VF5 on PS3 better sure as hell be arcade perfect. That is all.

[TrueSephiroth]

I will eat the pill and buy the PS3 anyhow, seriously, VF:5, Tekken6, FFXIII...those games alone make me want to buy the PS3. Also, 700-800 dollars, yeah, it's alot, I will agree, but shoot, I will still get it, and also, it's not like people can't save up to buy it still...shoot, I work, have to pay rent, bills, college, go out to eat, hang with friends, etc...yet, I'm able to save...plus gas is 3 dollars where I'm at too...I dunno what the heck you guys do with your money, but this isn't that ludicrious, unless your 14 yrs old and you dont have a job.

Funny how my cousin is whining about PS3 being so expensive, yet he buys a freaken monitor for his PC that is over 800 dollars...:rolleyes: , makes no sense whatsoever, and for me, PS3 is definetly going to be my choice, I don't see any games on the 360 or Wii that is really worth my time (Maybe wii for zelda and Super Smash, but thats really it), PS3 has the games I want, and to me, that's what will always dictate to me what system I plan to buy.

About online...no offense, but I would rather play an fps with lag, then a fighting game with lag, sure, it isn't good with lag for both games, but it's even worse for lag in a fighting game.

[ToyRobotTerror]

blah 599 euros... and the barebones system isnt worth having

[Superking]

I'd just like to say that PS3 (uber version) + VF5 and Virtua Tennis 3/Power Smash 3 would go for probably 750 bucks, that's a bargain compared to what a Lindbergh + VT3 costs which is $4785. And that's just for VT3, I'm pretty sure VF5 will cost even more than that just because it's VF. :looney:

So, if you like Sega's awesome arcade games and want the experience at home, the PS3 is the way to go.

[Khiempossible]

Let's not forget that most of us still need to buy new TVS to go along with those graphics. That's gonna at least double the bottom line.

[Eminent]

Ronin just posted this in the E3 thread and it's the truest shit. Alot of it's been said but still he summed it up nicely.
....
ALOT of people feel this exact same way myself included. Fuck all that "Geta job" bullshit.
Get a job.

"Dont get it Twisted", Im not stating that $500-$600 isn't alot for a console, which it is. But, complaining about the price and saying I could trick this and this does nothing.

"O nooesss my computers video card is going to cost me $500 to trick it out", you save and you buy it, and thats just one component. Rinse and repeat for anything you are going to buy. Fact is with bigger and better hardware comes a bigger and higher price tag to the system. Theres no group of individuals who try to keep the price of console regulated so theres no point in complaining about the price. Fact is price for the system is high, fact is they are losing money to sell it that low, fact is not many ppl will buy the system for this price. Hell, I haven't bought a new gen system since the 64 came out for the sole reason that every console coming out is a poor mans computer. Why buy another computer if I have one? Shit, just bait your idiot friends who buy one then console it up.

We are simply in the same cycle that comes every 4-5 years a next gen system comes out "im not buying that shit for that price", then 1-2 years later the price is dropped people are ridding the dicks of sony/microsoft/whoever.

[Superking]

Let's not forget that most of us still need to buy new TVS to go along with those graphics. That's gonna at least double the bottom line.

If you're going to put it that way, then that's going to double the Lindbergh's since all Lindbergh games run on HD screens. :looney:

And PS3 has regular AV video out, it should be able to play on a regular tv, of course downgraded because the signal isn't HD. =x

[Tawler]

It's not the idea of it being expensive, it's the idea that Sony expects us to bend over and pay that much for a console that's ridiculous. This is the first generation to crack $300 and get away with it. It's just ridiculous no matter how I try to slice it. I'm not going to let Sony feel justified and pay that much for a console. If I get one, it will be years from now when the thing is actually affordable. I'll play FFXIII way after all of you but at least I'll get to play it.

I don't care what hot shit hardware is in the thing. It's not worth it for a video game system, which is all I will ever see it as.

[BanditChain360]

I don't get all the moaning, shit's expensive yes. Just don't buy it, hell I don't have a random $600 laying around. PS3 is definately the system I want with VF5, MGS4 and freaking new Golden Axe (which better not suck BTW).

But I'm not gonna get that crap for a while, either when the price drops or I randomly stumble into an ass load of money. I agree with the comments about rushing into the next gen, I don't think it's nessacarily rushing but Sony at least is still selling good numbers of PS2s and there are still a ton of quality games on the way, Okami, Yakuza, God of War 2, FFXII so it's Microsoft's fault cause Sony doesn't want to feel all inferior and shit.

And for the people that wanted vf5 on 360? Maybe if it was on both, but Sega would never drop vf5 exclusively on 360 cause the game is played primarily by the Japanese, and what system is played least by the Japanese. Ding, Xbox.

[Gutter Trash]

people forget that VF5 comes in Spring 2007 for PS3,
That is ONE FULL YEAR of saving your money.
Anyway, it's not really a good idea to get the first batch at launch with the glitches and the hicups, by March 2007 I think the PS3 will be safe enough after the 1st batch hicups

[Etcetera]

vf5=vf4=vf4evo

you will buy it-> you will get excited-> you will realize that like with every VF you have no one to play with-> you will sit alone in your room and cry.
LOL, pretty much. At least the single player game is decent. I am actually shocked to see so many people excited about this, I was always under the impression that no one played seriously outside Japan.

[caliagent#3]

Don't go and buy a ps3 yet.....Looks like VF5 might come to 360 after all:


http://www.doacentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8721&sid=44ebecad9d1cf3e0ff846fbbea29f11e

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=441683

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=442173 (bottom of the first post)

[WasFemto]

Only time exclusice, hmm. Good to hear. Hopefully MGS4 follows suit, seeing as how these are my two most favorite "alive" franchises.

[tuelpo]

I see nothing to suggest time-exclusivity, just a fanboy circle-jerk.

I would speculate that Sega would rather go with a platform with a near-guaranteed significant Japanese market share, and not assome their product would produce that market share for the console makers.

[arstal]

And how would cross-platofrming hurt? That being said, I'm skeptical. I'd wait for official information- and I would get the last version- figuring it would be a later revision. Part of me wonders though if Sega would give Sony a vers A and Microsoft a vers B just to screw sony over for some reason...

Probably not, but you never know. There's a full year wait, so time to save up- and nothing launchwise for PS3 makes me want to spend money.

[Thongboy Bebop]

VF5 is PS3 exclusive for hardware reasons. I'll go into it later, but I swear on my genitals that the VF team personally explained this to me and it's completely true. It's not that they hate Microsoft, or because Xbox isn't J-friendly, it's mostly just because the arcade board's graphic card is identical to the one in the PS3, so it obviously makes the port a hundred times easier to do.

I'm dead serious, that's what they said.

N

[KneelB4Me]

VF5 is PS3 exclusive for hardware reasons. I'll go into it later, but I swear on my genitals that the VF team personally explained this to me and it's completely true. It's not that they hate Microsoft, or because Xbox isn't J-friendly, it's mostly just because the arcade board's graphic card is identical to the one in the PS3, so it obviously makes the port a hundred times easier to do.

I'm dead serious, that's what they said.

N

Personally it wouldnt bother me which system it gets released for. What you said makes sense, but you should never doubt the power of Uncle Bill's wallet. Lol.

[H_Magnus]

VF 5 E3 Trailer (http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_virtuafighter5_gp_e36_h264.wmv)

[I AM YOURDEATH]

Here is what I think. Having gone to E3 2006 and seeing VF 5 in action, I must say that it is a fine game. It has better animation and a smoother flow than VF 4 and vastly superior visuals. Now after playing the PS3 I can safely say that it can easily reproduce the visuals, but that's not saying much because so can the 360. The problem lies with the absence of online play.

How would online play kill the game for you? You will have the choice of playing the game offline and never even bothering to go online. But for those of us who don't care about the frames being off a bit just for some good old fashioned fun, missing online play makes a difference. The online play of yesteryear is gone, now online fighters play almost exactly as they do offline. In some cases, you forget that you are playing online. I will not be buying VF 5 for the PS3 at all because without competition, I have no reason to play it. The CPU aggrivates my ADD and causes me to quit after 10 minutes of play. You can't set up the CPU with tricks and play mind games with it.

I understand the whole frame data issue with online fighters but at least it's not unplayable when done right.

P.S.
From my observations at the E3 this year, the PS3 has no apparent graphical advantage over the 360. It's basically a 360 with a few bells an whistles such as the memorystick and Blu Ray player that costs way too much. All the games with the exception of Assasins Creed and Heavenly Sword were mediocre at best. They won't get my money for at least 2 years when Metal Gear 4 comes out.

Peace

[arstal]

Actually, an AI can use setups and ruses, if they program it right. VF's AI is the best AI this side of a Stardock PC game- so trust them to make it real good...

[I AM YOURDEATH]

Actually, an AI can use setups and ruses, if they program it right. VF's AI is the best AI this side of a Stardock PC game- so trust them to make it real good...

That's not the point I was trying to make. I meant to say that I get no satisfaction from defeating the CPU. When you defeat a worthy human opponent, you can take satisfaction that you were able to best someone with the ability to think, judge and react to your advances. The CPU cannot do that and I feel empty when I beat the CPU opponents no matter how complex the AI is in VF. Multiplayer is the way to go with any fighting game or else it gets stale really quickly. How many times have any of the PS2 fans played 3rd Strike against the CPU in the last week? Probably very few, on the other hand the Xbox players who like 3rd Strike have more than likely played it, latency or not.

The reason is the need for human competition. Those Xbox players have the option of playing most fighters online with the exception of Soul Calibur 2. Face it guy's the Arcade scene has dwendled, even though I still go to the Arcade every now and then for some 3rd Strike. Many of you don't even have Arcades near your homes so online would be your only option if you don't have many friends that like fighting games. My situation is that my friends are not always willing to play me because I am too advanced for them, thank jeebus for online!

Peace

[Saotome Kaneda]

I guarantee you that diehard VF fans, desperate for comp in the US or not will not stand up for a random ass loss to some Jacky/Pai/Lau player using simple PPPn mixups due to lag fucking them over. Or that jab->throw that could've been avoided if it weren't for latency. They'd have to dumb down the game to cater to those that have the aforementioned ADD and can't play against one of the best fighting game AIs known to man at this point in time. AM2 knows what they're doing here, and frankly I agree with them 100%. Fuck the easy way out. When there's ZERO chance of a random hiccup in the connection(aka when Internets Mark 2 comes out), THEN I'll be willing to play VF online. Or Tekken for that matter. A LOT more shit happens in that important frame that gets dropped in VF than in DOA.

[arstal]

Personally, I say give them the option, even though everything you said above is correct- not a big deal in my case- I'm still deciding if the PS3 is worth it for one game. Probably not- I still have Kaillera for online games- and that's good enough for me for now.

The big reason for the wait is to see if that rumor for X360 is real or not... (I'm thinking it's not, but I'd rather waste less money on an X360)

[Gutter Trash]

if online is in, that' that's good,, if it's not in I won't care too much because I go into phases where I completely quit playing online all together

Every game that I played Online,, I soon quit after a month or two.. even SFAC on Xbox Live I just quit going online.
I still play SF3TS with my friends,, but not online anymore.

If VF5 doesn't have online play,, I wouldn't feel hurt because I tried DOA2 Ultimate Online and it had major hicups and lag that made it not fun at all

[WasFemto]

I guarantee you that diehard VF fans, desperate for comp in the US or not will not stand up for a random ass loss to some Jacky/Pai/Lau player using simple PPPn mixups due to lag fucking them over. Or that jab->throw that could've been avoided if it weren't for latency. They'd have to dumb down the game to cater to those that have the aforementioned ADD and can't play against one of the best fighting game AIs known to man at this point in time. AM2 knows what they're doing here, and frankly I agree with them 100%. Fuck the easy way out. When there's ZERO chance of a random hiccup in the connection(aka when Internets Mark 2 comes out), THEN I'll be willing to play VF online. Or Tekken for that matter. A LOT more shit happens in that important frame that gets dropped in VF than in DOA.


Amen.

[Saotome Kaneda]

And last I checked VF was never meant to be a FUN game. Correct me if I'm wrong. Most of the Japanese I play don't play it out of simple enjoyment.

[Hokuto no Jeffro]

And last I checked VF was never meant to be a FUN game. Correct me if I'm wrong. Most of the Japanese I play don't play it out of simple enjoyment.
Then why do they play it? Are they trying to get good enough to get paid? I don't know about them, but at least I think it's fun...

[WasFemto]

I have more fun with VF than any other fighter.

I guess that means I'm in the minority....

[FMJaguar]

I guarantee you that diehard VF fans, desperate for comp in the US or not will not stand up for a random ass loss to some Jacky/Pai/Lau player using simple PPPn mixups due to lag fucking them over. Or that jab->throw that could've been avoided if it weren't for latency. They'd have to dumb down the game to cater to those that have the aforementioned ADD and can't play against one of the best fighting game AIs known to man at this point in time. AM2 knows what they're doing here, and frankly I agree with them 100%. Fuck the easy way out. When there's ZERO chance of a random hiccup in the connection(aka when Internets Mark 2 comes out), THEN I'll be willing to play VF online. Or Tekken for that matter. A LOT more shit happens in that important frame that gets dropped in VF than in DOA.

There is no reason to say X game is better or worse online than Y game. Any player would want as perfect a response as possible, i don't really catch myself saying "well if my move doesnt come out in DOA it's ok, but in VF it's not". In every game the goal is to land the moves you intend to, and in every game not hitting those moves could mean winning or losing.

One of the problems with the FGC is the continual double standard in place, even when serious players lose nothing with online play, they continue the elitist stance where 20 people playing seriously is better than 200 people where 50 of them would probably play seriously. Then somehow they continue to proclaim that fighting games are worth investing time and/or money into. We are so self consious about 'selling-out' that we end up just selling ourselves short with decisions like "If I had the choice between ___ and not using it, and noone having ___, I choose noone having it".

You don't need to 'dumb down' the game to add online play, you just add online play. The only consideration would be "omg people are going to think they are good because they play online". My response is "so? it's better than people not caring about the game at all, which is the current situation", would someone not release a game in arcades because people will get casual streaks and think they are good?

Although recently it's become a lot easier to 'play the game' instead of 'playing your opponent', in the end any great fighting game will about the people playing it moreso than the game itself. So anything you can do to have people involved is a bonus.

Things like good online play, advanced training modes, decent button configuration schemes, etc... should all just be the *minimum* standard for a game released today, not a idealistic dream.

[The Switcher]

Only time exclusice, hmm. Good to hear. Hopefully MGS4 follows suit, seeing as how these are my two most favorite "alive" franchises.

Don't get your hopes up. During E3, Kojima stated he views Snake as a "Playstation" character. And if he were to create any other games on the Wii or 360, they would certainly be all-new creations.

[arstal]

Still- for now, I'd suggest waiting and seeing on VF5 for console here in the US. You could buy the import VF5 (PS3 doesn't have region codes- one benefit of it will be being able to play import PS2 games hopefully)- but they might put out an EVO, or do something for X360 later.

Also, expect price drops to happen quickly, especially if PS3 sales lag- Sony wants that Blu-Ray bad, and I think they'll do anything to get it.

[Superking]

Well if Sega does do a revision (which they usually do anyway, see in point VF4, and somewhat VF2 and VF3 (VF2.1 and VF3 Team Battle), they could use some neat harddrive updating thing, which you could download patches/revisions onto your hdd.

That's wishful thinking tho. =/