Just say no to Bush!

[Shin-Mech-Brian]

That fuckass thinks his brother (the govenor of Florida) should run for president... this fucking planet is going to hell.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Bush_Family/

FUCK! Someone kill these people already!

[Night]

Like William Wallace to the king of England in Braveheart, I have never once pledged any loyalty to Bush, ever.

BUCK FUSH!!!

[shatterstar]

just hope and pray that Hillary runs for prez.

[Clear Sky]

I knew this was going to happen years ago. Good luck to him though, his brother basically screwed him.

[Rhio2k]

Somebody ought to send his ass a bag of pretzels. That's a sure killer in Bush's case.

[Geese Pants]

Yeah...........I hate hairy pussy too.

[AHVB]

Oh god, this piece of shit AND hillary are planning to run? this is bullshit.

[Autocrat1]

I had Bush in my eye once.

I almost cried a river.

[TaygetaVendetta]

If Jeb gets in office, we're doomed. As much as I hate W, he looks like a goddamn genius compared to Jeb.

If Jeb can't manage Florida (he is fucking up huge here), he sure as hell can't run the entire country.

[angryliberal]

its not like americans will ever educate themselves before voting anyways...psh, a monkey could win the presidency if rove represented it...oh wait...

[PozerWolf]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm......
Wow......

Sometimes, I wonder if Bush will just laugh one day and say everything he has done was just one big joke to make us all laugh.:wonder:

[Hoonyo]

fuck people

[Hokuto no Jeffro]

fuck people
Truer words were never said. I'm resigned to the fact that one day the NRA will stockpile enough nukes to break off into it's own nation as the Neo-Confederacy. So yeah, I'm moving to Canada.

[Spirit Juice]

Uneducated white trash in the midwest would still vote for him, or W., even if both brothers raped their families and shat on their graves.

[Riot Guard]

Uneducated white trash in the midwest would still vote for him, or W., even if both brothers raped their families and shat on their graves.

In Indiana you still see quite a few people driving around with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. I used to not care, now I have sudden urge to slash their tires.

[L1qu1d]

fuck the presidents, bring clinton back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ParryAll]

just hope and pray that Hillary runs for prez.

Why so the Democrats can lose again?

Honestly you think red states are going to elect a pro abortion, pro gay rights woman into the White House? These are the same states that want prayer in school and re-segregation.

[Jr7891]

They wanted to impeach Clinton for getting his dick sucked.
But, they won't try hard to do it to Bush after all of this bullshit?!?

Every time a Bush is in office, some stupid shit happens.
If Americia elects his brother, its all over.

We need riots, or Hilary to run.
Something needs to be done.

I'll take fucked up sex bannings over another war and high gas prices.

Speaking of which, FUCK EVERY RED STATE.

[FistsofFury]

Man...Jeb Bush VS Hillary would be the worst election. Now is not the time to be all 'rebelious' and try to get a woman/black guy/arab guy/Catholic/ up for the Democrat spot. This is serious, they need to get the biggest WASP they can, that has been married a bajillion years, fought in Nam, has sons that died in Iraq...you know what I mean.

Because Hillary would be just giving the election to Jeb. People are somewhat liberal..but a woman president a lot of people just can't get comfortable with for now.

[white shadow]

Why so the Democrats can lose again?

Honestly you think red states are going to elect a pro abortion, pro gay rights woman into the White House? These are the same states that want prayer in school and re-segregation.
I haven't heard about this, source? Is this a KKK thing or a general midwestern consensus?


16 years of bush... wow just wow.:shake:

[jae hoon]

Jeb has already stated hundreds of times that he has no interest in running for the presidency.

[AHVB]

FUCK bill clinton. That asshole sold us out to the chinese.

[Stevie White]

I got no love for Jeb, but if you think the carpet bagging sensationalist issue whore that Hilary Clinton is can stop him, you are dreaming. Thankfully, probably neither one will be nominated. Honestly, I'm surprised that more people on a VIDEO GAME site don't see Clinton for the sensationalist politicized piece of trash that she is.

Two party politics suck.

[Rhio2k]

FUCK bill clinton. That asshole sold us out to the chinese.

Better than being sold out to big business. At least the chinese have scruples.

[AkumaTX]

go rudy in 08 :)

[Higher-Jin]

hillary and geb? Can you say douche and turd? This may be the one time a 3rd party candidate may win. Perot 08 ftw, bet it.

[Return of Shiki]

I'd seriously vote for Perot right now.

Things can't get any worse, so why not give the dwarf a shot and see if his shiny, shiny mithril can keep gas prices down...

[J-ride]

I haven't heard about this, source? Is this a KKK thing or a general midwestern consensus?


16 years of bush... wow just wow.:shake:

Conservatives will not vote for a woman, PERIOD. A moderate democrat maybe, definitely a dixiecrat, but no way will they ever vote for a woman. Most of the racist/antigay stuff that our state is famous for is because of old people. You have a large percentage of voters who are from the old south, its just how it is. They will slowly die, then 20 years or so from now things will slowly move from how they are now. But one thing is for sure, we will still be Pro-death penalty and Pro-gun, just more racially open minded lol. Things are slowly changing though, because Kerry got almost 40% in the last election.

If the democrats can't win after Bush, they should just disband.

[white shadow]

Conservatives will not vote for a woman, PERIOD. A moderate democrat maybe, definitely a dixiecrat, but no way will they ever vote for a woman. Most of the racist/antigay stuff that our state is famous for is because of old people. You have a large percentage of voters who are from the old south, its just how it is. They will slowly die, then 20 years or so from now things will slowly move from how they are now. But one thing is for sure, we will still be Pro-death penalty and Pro-gun, just more racially open minded lol. Things are slowly changing though, because Kerry got almost 40% in the last election.

If the democrats can't win after Bush, they should just disband.
I understand this but what I was specifying was the re-segregation that Parryall brought up.

[J-ride]

^ Oh, well, other than a few crazies on the media, I haven't heard about that. But the media always finds the most racist, most uneducated Texan/random southerner to put on the news, lol.

[Darkside3024]

I understand this but what I was specifying was the re-segregation that Parryall brought up.
That re-segregation is probably something that was said amoung a certain gruop of people. I can tell you right now that black people won't tolerate that shit.

[Rhio2k]

Conservatives will not vote for a woman, PERIOD. A moderate democrat maybe, definitely a dixiecrat, but no way will they ever vote for a woman.


Word. There's a few of these guys at my workplace. They voted for Bush cuz he's "All fer relijun"...now they're all pissed at him. These folks think a woman has no right to be a preacher or lead in prayer, and when our immediate stepped down and a woman took his place, you'd hear them muttering "I ain't taking no orders from a damn womun. That ain't right."...even though another woman owns our whole company lol. Even if it were proven that the woman would be better all around, they would rather have Bush's ass back in there.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

Or we could say no because of his recent appeasement of many groups. Lying and saying Islam is a religion of peace and hiring people to act like it was that later were found to support terrorism (the peace of Islam), or the fact that he spends like an insane liberal clown, or the fact that he can't secure the borders (I love it how more people die from illegal immigrants each day here than Iraq- 12 killed and then 13 more by drunk drivers without insurance, oh yeah, then the 8 girls that get raped every day ).

But then again we have the democrats, but for what they complain about Bush the fact is what should really be complained about is in the heart of the party. They also don't have a plan, are insane, and lie (meaning acting like that have a ton of positions they don't). They also are funderers of the 1# things destroying America. Republicans are democrats, Democrats are socialists. Great.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

Uneducated white trash in the midwest would still vote for him, or W., even if both brothers raped their families and shat on their graves.
Or the democrats and liberals (bush included) and the liberal ideals that destroy a country. Wasted money left and right, more government control, they support things like illegal immigrated and yell about American deaths in Iraq when more happen here because of them, they support things to say they are "tolerant" without actually noticing what could happen and has in other countries that have accepted it.

Big business? You mean oil companies simply charging you more because they have to pay more? How about the money the goverment gets from it and the taxes they charge that they shouldn't? It costs you more money but people don't even notice.

People don't seem to know how contradictory Hilary's current "positions" are to her voting record in the senate. PEople don't know anything about politics. Humanity is slowly rotting away. If groups say "religion bad!" they simply follow suit. If their religion is disproved by so many facets they still say it's true simply because they want it to be. The stupidity is amazing, posiitions so contradictory to what people stand for.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

Conservatives will not vote for a woman, PERIOD. A moderate democrat maybe, definitely a dixiecrat, but no way will they ever vote for a woman. Most of the racist/antigay stuff that our state is famous for is because of old people. You have a large percentage of voters who are from the old south, its just how it is. They will slowly die, then 20 years or so from now things will slowly move from how they are now. But one thing is for sure, we will still be Pro-death penalty and Pro-gun, just more racially open minded lol. Things are slowly changing though, because Kerry got almost 40% in the last election.

If the democrats can't win after Bush, they should just disband.
Do you ever think there is a possible arguement for antigay stuff? Tell me some numbers, how many people get killed by people legally wielding guns? Now how about those that use them anyway? The democrats have no plans for the future, or at the msot I've seen, very minimal. Kerrry was a clown. Bush wouldn't have bveen if he follows what he acted like. Kerry had a few decent policies here and there but....

Also, from what I've seen a lot of conservatives would like Condalesa to run. It's interesting how she is a woman, and black.


Rhio, are we talking about Christianity? Do you actually know what their arguement is and why? Oh wait, isn't it just "woman hating?" has to be!

People voted for Bush because they thought he was a conservative and would do what he said. They were wrong.

A good canidate is too hard to find. Someone who is actually conservative and knows whjat they are doing cannot survive nad last in thr ealm of politics.

[Hellion]

The main problem with the system is that Checks and Balances has finally proven that it doesn't work when you have a single party majority in Congress and a President with affiliations to the same party.
WTF?
President Bush has yet to veto a single fucking bill his Republican Congress offers.
Instead of thinking about what's best for their districts, they bob their heads and say "Yes Sir" instead of allowing common sense to prevail.
They threaten people who don't vote with the rest of the majority party with emails and propoganda in their very districts to make them look like they're betraying the voters trust.
Meanwhiles they fuck us at every turn and then switchup when it's voting time only to fuck us again.
This is evil shit here. Pay heed.

The way things have been orchestrated, it seems like they WANT to create a Great Depression so that another great man can step up and be a hero to us....kinda like F.D.R., though ironically he was probably the reason Pearl Harbor Happened. Meanwhiles the Rich stay comfortable and secure in this depression since they're rediculously rich, and the rest of us suffer since we can't afford shit.

Minimum wage, for example, should be around 8 or so. It's still under 7 dollars.
With all this soaring prices, for everything...interest rates, health insurances, etc. Businesses shut down and the numbers of unemployment are on an unnerving rise.

The lower class is slowly dissolving, and the middle class is beginning to crumble, and the rich get richer. WTF? The American PEOPLE constitute the vast majority of people in this country. Stupid they may be, since they don't educate themselves for the most part on matters of politics, but that doesn't mean fuck them since they're so dumb, or make it harder for them to become smart.

College anyone? Slowly fading away.

Much like Daddy Bush was responsible for these two wars son Bush is waging. He was a member in Reagan's cabinet, I forgot when, but I do think it has to do with him getting shot. Shortly after Bush was there.
If we wage another war with Iran, it'll break us completely, economically.
There might be riots. As a result, there may be martial law or some such stupidity if they get out of control.

Why not riot or protest ala Martin Luther King Jr. style? I'm against riots since they don't really accomplish shit the right way, Mr. King's style seems to work the most efficient.


Bastards are always there.
Bush everywhere!

oh wait, that's my boss.

Things keep going this way, we'll look like some broke third world country ruled by the 1% majority who live like Gods. Not Kings, Gods on their Olympus called D.C.

How the fuck do we get out of this?
Spread the wealth and don't let a majority take over ever again, make that an amendment, make it 3 ways in Congress... This bi-partisan shit doesn't work, both parties seem to want to screw us over. Though with Clinton there, bastard he was, the economy was stronger. There was even a projected surplus, and he left us better off economically.

Bush took a strong country and turned that surplus into an 8 trillion dollar deficit (or is it higher now? Heard rumors it was 12 trill) He took a strong country and passed it off noticeably weaker... Seemingly on purpose, all in the name of fighting for his families oil industries and securing his future.

The bastard.

[dummyface]

SRK never ceases to stupify me.

[angryliberal]

Or the democrats and liberals (bush included) and the liberal ideals that destroy a country. Wasted money left and right, more government control, they support things like illegal immigrated and yell about American deaths in Iraq when more happen here because of them, they support things to say they are "tolerant" without actually noticing what could happen and has in other countries that have accepted it.
what the fuck are you fucking smoking?!? liberals are for anything but government control. i know, i am one. there is no way we want bigger government. in fact, i'm an anti-nationalist. i don't believe in governments, nation-states or any of that tribal gathering primitive bullshit. i hate when people compare democrats to liberals. if you have the capacity to read, read this - DEMOCRATS ARE NOT LIBERALS!! they are wishy-washy moderates AT BEST. learn a bit about the political spectrum and you'll realise most democrats fall somwhere between the middle and slightly left. true progressive liberals do not support most democratic ideals. in fact, most of us with any form of intelligence have realised the failure of both parties completely and have moved on to grass roots support of third parties with real vision.

you don't see my hippy liberal ass catagorizing and generalising conservatives, don't do it to the left either. the two parties represent the will of big business completely. both sides are simply puppets on a string. in fact, ANYONE who wins the presidency will be a puppet on a string. thats the nature of modern politics. with the influence of the media and money, almost any modern political system will fal victim to its grasp. you'll never get a 'straight shooter' - its all just political spin. the eventuality of the system in place now and the events thus far, coupled with the guided mentality of bovine america is nothing but war, greed and death.

oh, and on the hillary clinton thing - she CANNOT convert a single red state and may even lose a blue state. don't count on her. find someone real. me, i'll be voting with my heart and mind for the losing guy who really has something to say...

[P. Gorath]

angrylib - there was a lot of easy targets to tear down there, but instead you nitpick over democrat and liberal? You sound like a naderite from 2000, whining about how there is no difference between the two parties. Most of them have repented, I see you must still have your blinders on.


Do you ever think there is a possible arguement for antigay stuff? I would love to hear it. Care to enlighten us? Tell me some numbers, how many people get killed by people legally wielding guns? Now how about those that use them anyway?I'm not sure if you've placed words in the right order here but you seem to be saying that you believe more people are killed through illegal use of handguns than those found in legal homes? And? The democrats have no plans for the future, or at the msot I've seen, very minimal. a) the democrats are the opposition party, b)you havent been looking. Kerrry was a clown. Bush wouldn't have bveen if he follows what he acted like. Kerry had a few decent policies here and there but....so you mean you bought into that "Texas swagger?" :rofl:

Also, from what I've seen a lot of conservatives would like Condalesa to run. It's interesting how she is a woman, and black. But would they vote for her? I doubt it.
Rhio, are we talking about Christianity? Do you actually know what their arguement is and why? Oh wait, isn't it just "woman hating?" has to be!Again, enlighten us. I can point to plenty of instances in the bible that promote sexism and mysogony.
People voted for Bush because they thought he was a conservative and would do what he said. They were wrong.
And here we have it folks, the argument that you have started to hear and will continue to see as Bush's poll numbers plummet: Conservativism is just great, but Bush wasnt a real conservative. You see, conservative policy never fails, only conservative leaders fail to live up to that policy. This sentiment gets trotted out every time a republican leader is in trouble and finds himself no longer in favor. We are already hearing the arguments that GWB is actually a liberal, because in their lexicon there is nothing worse. This is all of course nonesense, as tax cuts for the rich, deregulation of corporate America, privatization of social security, relaxed environmental standards, supression of womens rights and on and on are not liberal values.
A good canidate is too hard to find. Someone who is actually conservative and knows whjat they are doing cannot survive nad last in thr ealm of politics.And to quote a bigger conservative than me: Go fuck yourself

Or the democrats and liberals (bush included)See what I mean? and the liberal ideals that destroy a country. Wasted money left and right, more government control, they support things like illegal immigrated and yell about American deaths in Iraq when more happen here because of them, they support things to say they are "tolerant" without actually noticing what could happen and has in other countries that have accepted it. Yep. the conservative rethugs control all three branches of government, but its the liberals who are running this country into the ground :looney: :rofl:
Big business? You mean oil companies simply charging you more because they have to pay more? How about the money the goverment gets from it and the taxes they charge that they shouldn't? It costs you more money but people don't even notice. then explain to me why their profits are larger than ever? Do you really think its a good idea to have big oil men in elected power right now?
People don't seem to know how contradictory Hilary's current "positions" are to her voting record in the senate. PEople don't know anything about politics. Humanity is slowly rotting away. If groups say "religion bad!" they simply follow suit. If their religion is disproved by so many facets they still say it's true simply because they want it to be. The stupidity is amazing, posiitions so contradictory to what people stand for.I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first sentence but the rest of it sounds alright :sweat:

Or we could say no because of his recent appeasement of many groups. Lying and saying Islam is a religion of peace and hiring people to act like it was that later were found to support terrorism (the peace of Islam),Yeah, Dubya has been real appeasing of those muslims, I tell you what. They think of him like an honorary brother now. Seriously though, there are certain things that the leader of the free world must say, a certain finesse that the most powerful nation (or so we thought) on the planet has to go about its business in the realm of international affairs and saying MUSLIMS MUST DIE! DOWN WITH ISLAM! isn't exactly in our national interest, whether we believe that to be the case or not. But hey, I've got my gun - bring on the holy war! or the fact that he spends like an insane liberal clown, Like those record surplusses of Clinton? or the fact that he can't secure the borders (I love it how more people die from illegal immigrants each day here than Iraq- 12 killed and then 13 more by drunk drivers without insurance, oh yeah, then the 8 girls that get raped every day ).You are aware of the statistical fallacy of comparing iraq was deaths to those caused by drunk drivers, yes?
But then again we have the democrats, but for what they complain about Bush the fact is what should really be complained about is in the heart of the party. They also don't have a plan, are insane, and lie (meaning acting like that have a ton of positions they don't). well that clears that up, thanks! They also are funderers of the 1# things destroying America.public schools? Republicans are democrats, Democrats are socialists. Great.we wish :tup:


p.s. ahvb - got proof? didnt think so. You think he killed vince foster too? Sheep.

[Spirit Juice]

My point was that the uneducated midwest would still vote for Bush, despite how much of a fuck up he was first term. Hell, they'd probably still vote for him if he could run for a third term, even if he's probably one of the worst presidents we've had in our time.

I'm no liberal by any means; I actually consider myself a moderate. Though I am a registered democrat, I actually supported Bush before he completely fucked everything up with the Iraq war. It all went downhill from there.

[angryliberal]

angrylib - there was a lot of easy targets to tear down there, but instead you nitpick over democrat and liberal? You sound like a naderite from 2000, whining about how there is no difference between the two parties. Most of them have repented, I see you must still have your blinders on.
man, you just look for a reason to come at me don't you. get over it. i didn't read his posts. i've read em in the past and have had all the same arguments. i was simply making a point. a valid one at that. i didn't feel like taking the time(i don't have) to break down his entire argument piece by piece. seriously man, get over your obsession with proving me wrong or ignorant, the br is over for us, move on...

but i'll tell you this, the difference in the two parties is minimal and thats not just nader speak. thats alot of people who look at the system and see very little difference anymore. lots of third party people, such as the greens or the libertarians, see the two parties as nothing more than identical cousins played by patty duke, so don't come at me with this blinder bullshit. i look at the world and i don't see any hope in our two parties as they stand. in fact, i at least see the republicans able to stand by a political ideaology unlike the democrats who are all over the board. thats why republicans get the numbers they do, solidarity. the only thing dems had to solidify about this last election was a hate for bush...thats not politics, thats the srk battle royale...

[TheRock-BoS]

Big business? You mean oil companies simply charging you more because they have to pay more?

Yeah! Poor babies! They're only making record profits off us. :wink:

[fishjie]

word the dems are a JOKE. they lost to bush for fucks sake. GEORGE DUBYA BUSH. a man who can barely speak english and WRECKED the country. WRECKED. and the Democrats STILL LOST!

This is either a testemant to the monumental incompetence of dems or the brilliant genius of the republican party.

really, the one good thing Bush did is change the bankruptcy laws and up the minimum payment required on credit cards. idiotic americans with no concept of savings are ruining themselves into financial ruin by buying houses and cars with 0% down while blissfully running balances on multiple credit cards, and now they are all OWNED. now maybe americans wont be so stupid with their horrendous spending habits.

[P. Gorath]

man, you just look for a reason to come at me don't you. get over it. i didn't read his posts. i've read em in the past and have had all the same arguments. i was simply making a point. a valid one at that. i didn't feel like taking the time(i don't have) to break down his entire argument piece by piece. seriously man, get over your obsession with proving me wrong or ignorant, the br is over for us, move on...

but i'll tell you this, the difference in the two parties is minimal and thats not just nader speak. thats alot of people who look at the system and see very little difference anymore. lots of third party people, such as the greens or the libertarians, see the two parties as nothing more than identical cousins played by patty duke, so don't come at me with this blinder bullshit. i look at the world and i don't see any hope in our two parties as they stand. in fact, i at least see the republicans able to stand by a political ideaology unlike the democrats who are all over the board. thats why republicans get the numbers they do, solidarity. the only thing dems had to solidify about this last election was a hate for bush...thats not politics, thats the srk battle royale...
and you wonder why I question your liberal credentials. You obviously pay little to no attention to the current political climate but rather regurgitate empty rhetoric familiar to people who disconnect from the political process. Wake the fuck up, do I really have to go through the litany of policy enacted the past 5 years that would not be in place if the dems were in power? the abuses? the ramifications? Your words are empty and useless. Its easy to sit on the fringe and throw bombs, a little harder to work to promote your ideals in the system in order to enact real change. So please tell me what high and mighty liberal ideals you see that are being given to you by the republicans and actively worked against by the dems.

fishjie - defeating a sitting president during a time of war isnt exactly a cakewalk, especially when you can raise the threat level (remember those?) at your will and release tapes of osama saying terrorists vote for kerry. I also seem to remember you werent so anti-bush at the time, so what does that say about you?

[white shadow]

Once again I just have to say that these events are, in my humble opinion, just part of humanity in general. I just envision this another problematic time in history- our history, which can be easily proven with the other problems we had before. But I digress...

OK so let's say Bush's plan is to make his "regime" wealthier, continue the Iraq war, privatize social security, ignore the gigantic deficit, and all those other "malevolent/selfish" actions, what do you think the final outcome of the nation will be if nothing is done to remedy these plethora of problems? Reastically of course.


....I've pondered this but I am not a genious; I don't see any solution that isn't grossly idealistic.:pleased:

[angryliberal]

and you wonder why I question your liberal credentials. You obviously pay little to no attention to the current political climate but rather regurgitate empty rhetoric familiar to people who disconnect from the political process. Wake the fuck up, do I really have to go through the litany of policy enacted the past 5 years that would not be in place if the dems were in power? the abuses? the ramifications? Your words are empty and useless. Its easy to sit on the fringe and throw bombs, a little harder to work to promote your ideals in the system in order to enact real change. So please tell me what high and mighty liberal ideals you see that are being given to you by the republicans and actively worked against by the dems.
you rely on alot of inference to draw 'facts' form don't you. i hate bush. i hate republicans. i despise republican policy. i never once said i supported them in any way. i'm registered as a green party member. i'm a socialist in ideaology, i'm an atheist in religious belief and i despise the idea of nation states. i'm an anti-patriot, i believe the government has no say in what people can and cannot do as long as those activities do not affect another person's freedoms, and i'm against technology. i don't think capitalism has helped us in any way, i think our international policy since ww2 has been the main culprit in our problems and i believe that the middle class is being destroyed by big business. i think religion should never be mentioned in relation to politics, policy or the government. i think everyone has the right to believe what they believe, just don't use the government to make me believe it. i believe we've fashioned our world out of ego not survival. i believe the forfront of any society is education and that every human should have access to all the knowledge of the world. i believe that only through education can we reach enlightenment. i believe schools should recieve more funding than the military. i think scoialised health care is more important than the military and bombs. i think the media is used to brainwash people instead of being used to educate people. i think most the world is nothing but sheep and on some level know and enjoy that. i believe we have been conditioned to reject responsibility and simply obey. i don't beleive in borders. i don't believe in war and i don't believe in greed. all that points to a VERY liberal, hippy douche of an individual. could you please point out where i'm falling short of liberal ideaology?

edit: to answer about the republicans, i don't see them as giving me ANYTHING at all, i was simply stating why they get numbers, not that i support them for that reason...

[fishjie]

fishjie - defeating a sitting president during a time of war isnt exactly a cakewalk, especially when you can raise the threat level (remember those?) at your will and release tapes of osama saying terrorists vote for kerry. I also seem to remember you werent so anti-bush at the time, so what does that say about you?

actually i've always been against the war in iraq and always been against bush. but since those threads are long gone its your word against mine, otherwise I'd dig up old posts. But whatever, I voted for Kerry.

white shadow -
really the only true "problem" i see on your list is the giant deficit. So what if the rich get richer? its been happening for centuries. So what if SS is privatized? I am not going to depend on SS when I retire, and anyone who does is foolish. I hope it gets privatized or abolished, because SS is just a giant ponzi scheme, and we all know what happened to Studio Traffic.

But the deficit is bad. Right now, other countries and american citizens invest in our government by buying up government bonds because they trust we have the ability to pay it back. Howevr if our deficit runs up too high, they may lose that confidence, and when that happens, no one will purchase bonds anymore, and the dollar will fail. And that's gonna SUCK. but that won't happen for a while

[Higher-Jin]

really the only true "problem" i see on your list is the giant deficit. So what if the rich get richer? its been happening for centuries. So what if SS is privatized? I am not going to depend on SS when I retire, and anyone who does is foolish. I hope it gets privatized or abolished, because SS is just a giant ponzi scheme, and we all know what happened to Studio Traffic.


Yea well it's not just about you, there are people out there who may rely on this money more than others, that's why it's there. The rich getting richer isn't a problem in it of itself so long as everyone, not just the rich, profit. The main thing you don't want to have is a really large gap between the haves and the have-nots, and you also don't want too few people controlling too much wealth because of the obscene ammount of power they will obtain because of it. It's all important, and yea the deficit is a really big problem aswell, but all that other shit is important aswell.

[white shadow]

Fish-
If people can't find good jobs because of outsourcing and which in turn makes corporations richer, I don't see how the middle class can retain their current status.

[fishjie]

Yea well it's not just about you, there are people out there who may rely on this money more than others, that's why it's there.


thats exactly the thing. its not gonna be there for them. social security is going to fail. something needs to change. i dont trust the government to manage SS because it is completely incompetent with money, whereas a private corporation could do a much better job. people can argue that the situation is fine and that privitization will screw people over more, but if they believe they can rely on SS in its current state for retirement, i think they're gonna get screwed. but we can just wait it out and see.


The main thing you don't want to have is a really large gap between the haves and the have-nots

yeah it is bad, but nowhere near as bad as other countries. not really an issue right now imo.

The thing with the deficit is, it could lead to the collapse of the dollar (which would mean all your savings would be gone), and in turn the collapse of the economy. which pretty much dwarfs everything.

i'm not too worried about America. I'm more worried about China. Its economy is growing incredibly fast, its being supplied with WEAPONS by the rest of europe, its filled with nationalistic prideful racist homophobic people who would NOT protest if they conquered asia, and the gap between have nots and haves is GIGANTIC.

Whiteshadow - outsourcing is actually good in the long run. It benefits the global economy, brings people together, pumps money into poorer countries, etc. it hurts the locals who lose their jobs, but that's a temporary setback for a greater good. INTERDEPENDENCE among the different nations is what will eventually lead to peace and cooperation, and hopefully an end to war.

[white shadow]

Whiteshadow - outsourcing is actually good in the long run. It benefits the global economy, brings people together, pumps money into poorer countries, etc. it hurts the locals who lose their jobs, but that's a temporary setback for a greater good. INTERDEPENDENCE among the different nations is what will eventually lead to peace and cooperation, and hopefully an end to war.
Of course it's good for others, but I don't care honestly. I is good that people are being paid relatively more money in their respective countries and in turn work harder than Americans but still I sympathize more with the people who are living here and worked hard to get a good job/education but now they can't get hired because of outsourcing. If you don't find it a big deal I don't think you should find illegal immigration so "bad" either. (I could care less about the context of "illegal" too.)

[Hellion]

i'm not too worried about America. I'm more worried about China. Its economy is growing incredibly fast, its being supplied with WEAPONS by the rest of europe, its filled with nationalistic prideful racist homophobic people who would NOT protest if they conquered asia, and the gap between have nots and haves is GIGANTIC.

Whiteshadow - outsourcing is actually good in the long run. INTERDEPENDENCE among the different nations is what will eventually lead to peace and cooperation, and hopefully an end to war.

Analysts of China's current state of affairs suggest that issues dealing with population control (among other things) may affect their projected eclipsing or equal standing of ourselves 20 years from now.

Off the top of my head I don't remember but I could always do some surfing and find out if you like.

My question is what's outsourcing?
Is that what we're doing right now, with the dependance on other countries to help us out with our deficits?

[fishjie]

well, photography put painters out of work. robotics and mechanics put manual labor type jobs out of work. sewing machine put seamstresses out of work. the point i'm making is that technology puts lots of people out of work, but, it is still for the greater good of the world. it created new jobs and new opportunities for people displaced. just like outsourcing might put some people out of work, but it will create other opportunities.

the main problem with outsourcing is that 3rd world countries can pay their employees shit and not give them any benefits, which makes it hard for us to compete with them (for example, walmart gets its stuff from china, because china treats its workers like shit and can make stuff for cheap). that is a problem, and needs to be addressed.

[Hellion]

Thanks for clarifying.

[DragonSama]

We are pretty much in a dictatorship now if you think of it.

from 1980 to current
8 years of Regan (Regan was an ok pres) but his VP was daddy bush Daddy Bush has big hand in most of the dealing as the white house.
Daddy Bush is pres for 4 years.
Clinton is president for 8 years
George W Bush is president for 8 years
Daddy Bush and Bill Clinton become buddies all of a sudden

2008-god only knows
Hillary runs and wins is president for 8 years
Jeb decides to run and wins is pres for 4-8 years
Another Bush or Clinton pops up. Endless cycle.

Sad but it is the way things are going right now and we all are going to be screwed out of everything. :shake:

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

what the fuck are you fucking smoking?!? liberals are for anything but government control. i know, i am one. there is no way we want bigger government. in fact, i'm an anti-nationalist. i don't believe in governments, nation-states or any of that tribal gathering primitive bullshit. i hate when people compare democrats to liberals. if you have the capacity to read, read this - DEMOCRATS ARE NOT LIBERALS!! they are wishy-washy moderates AT BEST. learn a bit about the political spectrum and you'll realise most democrats fall somwhere between the middle and slightly left. true progressive liberals do not support most democratic ideals. in fact, most of us with any form of intelligence have realised the failure of both parties completely and have moved on to grass roots support of third parties with real vision.

you don't see my hippy liberal ass catagorizing and generalising conservatives, don't do it to the left either. the two parties represent the will of big business completely. both sides are simply puppets on a string. in fact, ANYONE who wins the presidency will be a puppet on a string. thats the nature of modern politics. with the influence of the media and money, almost any modern political system will fal victim to its grasp. you'll never get a 'straight shooter' - its all just political spin. the eventuality of the system in place now and the events thus far, coupled with the guided mentality of bovine america is nothing but war, greed and death.

oh, and on the hillary clinton thing - she CANNOT convert a single red state and may even lose a blue state. don't count on her. find someone real. me, i'll be voting with my heart and mind for the losing guy who really has something to say...
Uh, like more government programs, wasted money on school programs that do nolthing. Larger taxing (Bush has actually seemed to be decent on this) for more control on things that we do. They want the goverment to decide in many cases where the people should, but I'm more of a libertarian (a having to do work libertarian).

Unforntunately it must be what is defined on liberalism, but not all are as insane as the democrats recently.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

Yeah, Dubya has been real appeasing of those muslims, I tell you what. They think of him like an honorary brother now. Seriously though, there are certain things that the leader of the free world must say, a certain finesse that the most powerful nation (or so we thought) on the planet has to go about its business in the realm of international affairs and saying MUSLIMS MUST DIE! DOWN WITH ISLAM! isn't exactly in our national interest, whether we believe that to be the case or not. But hey, I've got my gun - bring on the holy war! Like those record surplusses of Clinton? You are aware of the statistical fallacy of comparing iraq was deaths to those caused by drunk drivers, yes?
well that clears that up, thanks! public schools? we wish :tup:
p.s. ahvb - got proof? didnt think so. You think he killed vince foster too? Sheep.

I guess this was to me? What statistical fallacy? My point is that more deaths are being caused by their actions, here. They are here illegally. There are also instances of things not nessisarily caught because everybody isn't accounted for as a soldier.

Funding wasn't the best word, LOL! It's their backing up and support of things.

I understand that Bush has to do certain things, but he seems to go farther than that for something false. I don't think we should kill all Muslims, as a majority of them don't follow the rulings in the Qur'an correctly that outrule the peaceful and go straight to the "cuts hands and feet off on opposite sides, smite them at the neck, beat your wives (but not much) if they aren't completely your drones, Allah laughs at them in hell. torture those infedels on earth because their end will be tourturous too. fight the infedels in every facet of wars" there is too much, and there isn't enough outcry. So much death happens every day by islamic attacks, if they want to keep their religion, them and their imams need to strart doing something. Then there was muhammed...

[Hellion]

We are pretty much in a dictatorship now if you think of it.


The only reasoning here I can think of...
The people who end up running for office that are supported by their parties thed to both be the "best" (whatever) of both worlds
They both promise a lot
Generally both against each other
And we're stuck choosing from a list of bad eggs.
But it's not just the President. Someone shoots Bush, another puppet takes his place.

It can't be a coincidence, either they're really this fucking dumb or they're doing everything on purpose.

To maintain their seats of power seems to be the general status quo of our politicians today. If you don't "buy in" to the Party's ideals, instead of voting by your conscience, you're basically outcast and excommunicated and all sorts of rhetorical stuff -congressmen I mean.
Bribes, threats and all that, all orchestrated to get the newer party members to fall in line and keep the elders in check.

Money talks I guess.

All the news that slips out is due to their underlings. While they pretty much have closed doors on the media on certain issues, people working for them aren't quite so closed-mouthed about things and it's driving the higher ups nuts.
They never intended to reveal that information, and when they have to explain themselves a lot of Red Tape is thrown our way to buy them time and so forth.

[fishjie]

My question is what's outsourcing?


Outsourcing is when a company hires people from outside of this country in order to perform a task, instead of hiring locals. For example, many tech support calls are outsourced to India now. Thats why youll get an indian dude if you call tech support. The reason people outsource is because its way cheaper to hire people from other countries instead of employ people locally. In some cases it is also because the people from other countries are really good at what they do. For example, Indian programmers trained at Indian programming schools are really good at what they do.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

angrylib - there was a lot of easy targets to tear down there, but instead you nitpick over democrat and liberal? You sound like a naderite from 2000, whining about how there is no difference between the two parties. Most of them have repented, I see you must still have your blinders on.

I would love to hear it. Care to enlighten us?

1) polygamy. I've been saying this for years but nobody believed me, alas, it is gaining support. Where? A variety of different people. I've actually seen articles in two major paper (one being the New York Times) of gay activists supporting it and saying it would be okay because " 24 hour child support!". They had an interview with a man with 8 wives. There is bound to be beatings and using the wives as sex slaves. And where is this monogamous love? Also, notice what has happened in other countries. Apparently it's my "hate" for the gays, as you would have it, but check out in european countries after the acceptance of it people in monogomous relationships, or even married, it drops drastically, and the US is alreayd worse in a lot of places. Age of consent has dropped to a think 9 in some places? By why keep away the pediphiles? Aren't they attracted to the look of the young children? Why can't they have them. This also brings up something in the United states as gays are trying to get protection of it as a sexual practice. Why can't pediphiles do this also, if they are attracted to it? People claim to be attracted to animals (dogs sometimes) sexually, isn't that also an orientation that should be protected by law? I know animals can't give consent for marraige either, but isn't it just an orientation, but natural? Why are there a lot of gays that dress up to look completely like women, a lot of the time, both partners? You can be a friend with somebody, they are pressing it and obviously if they are just attracted to men it's odd they try to look completely like women.

Experience also has a lot to do with it, women touching themselves and getting it on. Why should this be protected, and why do they get anything? How many gays truly can say that they were born this way, and didn't take it and experiment with it and were there?

If the polygamy were to happen, which people and gays are already advicating, the goverment would be in amess. Once the definition changes from one man and one woman, why can their be a limit? You may think this absurd at the moment, but when it can happen, and people are already advocating it, it is clready already happening. In places like California if you are a boy and simply say you are a girl and go in the girls restroom and somebody says soemthing about it, you get sensitivity training, and can get sued a ton. This is because of gay legislation, I also love how that the transexuals are actually in there, and we are getting such fantastic quotes as "they were born this way too". When are you born transexual, huh?

Anyway, if you get married any which way then there should really be no limit based upon this, also marrage benefits go like six ways per person. Goverment = screwed especially ininstances of divorce, remember, it's just "love". The organized gay are mostly hte problem, but they are the representation. Do you think kids, experimenting at a young age with both sexes and saying it's natural and that's their orientation is right? How are you going to stop polygamy, isn't it like 70% or such percent against gay marraige? The american people? How can they stop this if changes are made to the first (?) ammendment? They can't. Kidsare going to have more sex, more babies for the country to pay for, not even counting the fact that 50% of AIDS cases come from the 1-2% of gays. IT's as if the same people that want it fixed are advocating it's spread.

Finally, witht the final and inevitable destruction of the family comes a bankrupt in morals. With no God and the relativistic ways of the people, who are you to say murder is wrong? Why is this wrong? It's not an absolute from God. What about stealing? robbery? You already see it in broken families, it will be a mess, this is an aftereffect of "I'm naturally gay!". I can see so many unemployed and massive amount of people stealing from the goverment. destruction of the US, but it's obviously not just because of gays, but the"far left" buddies that can make it happen.

Now considering the fact that there are already groups advocating these things tell me how it doesn't happen in the near future? I'm not a risker, even if I were gay (or thought I was), sorry.

I'm not sure if you've placed words in the right order here but you seem to be saying that you believe more people are killed through illegal use of handguns than those found in legal homes? And? a) the democrats are the opposition party, b)you havent been looking. so you mean you bought into that "Texas swagger?" :rofl:

What? My point was to the others quote and insinuation that we aren't open minded with guns.

But would they vote for her? I doubt it.
Again, enlighten us. I can point to plenty of instances in the bible that promote sexism and mysogony.


Try me, let's acually see if you know what you are talking about and the disregaurding/superiority of men.

IF she is conservative and responsible as she looks, yes.

And here we have it folks, the argument that you have started to hear and will continue to see as Bush's poll numbers plummet: Conservativism is just great, but Bush wasnt a real conservative You see, conservative policy never fails, only conservative leaders fail to live up to that policy. This sentiment gets trotted out every time a republican leader is in trouble and finds himself no longer in favor. We are already hearing the arguments that GWB is actually a liberal, because in their lexicon there is nothing worse. This is all of course nonesense, as tax cuts for the rich, deregulation of corporate America, privatization of social security, relaxed environmental standards, supression of womens rights and on and on are not liberal values.
And to quote a bigger conservative than me: Go fuck yourself

Fantastic. But the excuse is completely valid. He acted like he would be tough and secure borders, and that he was a conservative spender. And... yes. It is because he failed on where he said he was conservative, he does get blamed for a lot of thiungs that aren't his fault, however.



See what I mean? Yep. the conservative rethugs control all three branches of government, but its the liberals who are running this country into the ground :looney: :rofl:

Oh... it's called appeasement of the democrats. The economy is doing decent now, actually good, and you aren't getting very many new taxes, that I'm aware of.

It is other factors. When their are "far left" (for angryliberl) activities there is stupidity, and I'm not talking liberal in the sense of goverment nessisarily here.


then explain to me why their profits are larger than ever? Do you really think its a good idea to have big oil men in elected power right now?
I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first sentence but the rest of it sounds alright :sweat:

Well, you see, it's like this. They pay more for gallon, you pay more. The money gained due to supply and demand is higher. Whoa!

Also, I'm actually not all that comfortable with a lot of Bush's relations, though.

Yeah, Dubya has been real appeasing of those muslims, I tell you what. They think of him like an honorary brother now. Seriously though, there are certain things that the leader of the free world must say, a certain finesse that the most powerful nation (or so we thought) on the planet has to go about its business in the realm of international affairs and saying MUSLIMS MUST DIE! DOWN WITH ISLAM! isn't exactly in our national interest, whether we believe that to be the case or not. But hey, I've got my gun - bring on the holy war! Like those record surplusses of Clinton? You are aware of the statistical fallacy of comparing iraq was deaths to those caused by drunk drivers, yes?
well that clears that up, thanks! public schools? we wish :tup:


p.s. ahvb - got proof? didnt think so. You think he killed vince foster too? Sheep.
ggd

[angryliberal]

Uh, like more government programs, wasted money on school programs that do nolthing. Larger taxing (Bush has actually seemed to be decent on this) for more control on things that we do. They want the goverment to decide in many cases where the people should, but I'm more of a libertarian (a having to do work libertarian).

Unforntunately it must be what is defined on liberalism, but not all are as insane as the democrats recently.
#1 - government programs =/= government control. things like republicans pushing an amendment defining marraige and support of stiffer fcc fines are much more clear agendas of government control - and hey, those are both republican agendas...

[akumachan]

Uneducated white trash in the midwest would still vote for him, or W., even if both brothers raped their families and shat on their graves.


haha you said shat.

one of the best words ever.

:rofl:

-AC
scatalogical humor

P.S. Fishy, let's be serious outsourcing is almost ENTIRELY done because its CHEAPER. I dont think that companies would have a tougher time finding extremely competent programmers here than in India. It's because it's CHEAPER. WAY CHEAPER. (once you get past the actual costs of moving of course) Good programmers in america will run a company a minimum of 60 grand a year. And over 100 for someone with experience.

[Rhio2k]

Or the democrats and liberals (bush included) and the liberal ideals that destroy a country. Wasted money left and right, more government control, they support things like illegal immigrated and yell about American deaths in Iraq when more happen here because of them,

truth. Here's something else that's starting to bite us in the ass.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_3_immigrant_gang.html