It's over for Sony in Japan (Latest poll)

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Dunno if this has been posted yet (fuck if I'm going to read through the whole E3 thread), but the latest poll from www.itmedia.co.jp (an IT site) about E3 conference reactions has been released.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7282/quickpoll9fc.jpg

You know it's bad when the Japanese prefer the 360 over PS3. I guess they couldn't take the ridiculously high price, lies, blantant thievery of Wiimote functions, lies, copycat of Xbox live service (without the proven stability and effectiveness of Live itself), lies, and of course it's fucking GIGANTIC SIZE HOLY SHIT.

If the PSP vs. DS battle in Japan is any indication (as much as I hate doing console vs. handheld comparisons), the Japanese prefer the quirky and innovative types of games making it's way to the market. Looks like Nintendo is back in it's homeland's throne this time.

Fuck Sony. I'm not buying their $600 piece of shit and letting them think that it's okay to release future consoles at this pricepoint. Plus their "me-too" bullshit with their features is gay as fuck. Liars.

[Stevie White]

I am really going to laugh hard when everyone winds up buying a PS3 anyway. I remember when no one was going to buy an XBOX or a 360.

*NINJA EDIT* I also don't understand why people get so pissed about Sony (or any other company) ripping off another company's hardware innovations. Sure, originality is good, but it really doesn't bug me too much that more systems have a cool new innovative feature.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

No doubt it's going to sellout on launch. Sony has a huge hardcore following but the gaming industry is run by the casual gamers. Once the launch hype dies off, who are they going to flock to for quirky, non-complicated, and easily accessible games? The Wii. Who are they going to flock to for the mainsteam Maddens and Grand Theft Autos? The Xbox 360.

[Septimus Prime]

the gaming industry is run by the casual gamers.
And there's the problem with this poll. Casual gamers don't care enough to follow gaming news or take online gaming-related polls.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Yeah but think about the people who did take the poll, they were hardcore gamers. And hardcore gamers seem to be leaning more towards the Wii as well. So who's Sony got now?

[valaris]

You're saying they now prefer the Xbox over the PS. That's not what the poll is saying at all. All it's saying is people were more impressed with other conferences. Has absolutely nothing to do with which systems they're gonna buy. It may affect but people aren't going to drastically change their views because another company put on a better show.
my 2 cents.

[Grimm_Demize]

Not only that, but consider how the fucking event went in general. The Nintendo shit was just THAT good.

One little poll in Japan doesn't reflect how the entire country is going to use their spending power. I'm sure it encourages your blatant hatred of Sony, but if you're sitting here rooting against a company like it's a sports team, I feel kind of sorry for you. You're going to end up quite dissapointed when the system sells anyways, regardless of how it sells in comparison to the Wii.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

I dunno, I think this speaks volumes. The fact that Japanese gamers think that even Microsoft's showing had a greater impact on them is a mindfuck. They only showed 1 game (Blue Dragon) with Japanese appeal and a short ass all-CG clip at that, while Sony pulled out the big guns (FFXII, VF5, etc.). Why is this?

[ParryAll]

And there's the problem with this poll. Casual gamers don't care enough to follow gaming news or take online gaming-related polls.

True.

However it still shows that E3 has had a large impact on Japan, even if it is a 'hardcore' sample. Remember that pre E3, polls like this showed Japan was largely favoring the PS3.

[Hunter D]

I dunno, I think this speaks volumes. The fact that Japanese gamers think that even Microsoft's showing had a greater impact on them is a mindfuck. They only showed 1 game (Blue Dragon) with Japanese appeal and a short ass all-CG clip at that, while Sony pulled out the big guns (FFXII, VF5, etc.). Why is this?
The japs saw the same shit we saw. They know the price and are probably just as suprised as we are.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

I don't have any unfound hatred against Sony. They created it by thinking it's okay to fuck over their fans. Misleading campaigns, promises never kept, and their whole "let's take what makes it good and put it in our shit" strategy. The last issue is more of a moral one but it doesn't even make sense business-wise. If they're going to steal a competitor's ideas, at least make them BETTER. Otherwise, you're just doing their marketing for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'll break down and get a PS3 but only when it's bargain bin clearance cheap to play MGS4. I just hope them getting the shit kicked out of them in the market will bring this about quicker.

[Bounce]

ok, business aside heres what it brakes down to:

japanese love japanese systems, because its xenophobic thing (at least a subconcious level) but reality still impacts them......everyone who understands 2 things about reality willl realize sony made the wrong bet.

sony went with regular improvement of graphics
m-soft had them beat last year, and at a cheaper price
while nintendo, did the nintendo thing (at least now they recognize that they are in the same market as sony and m-soft.)

ps3 will dominate in the long run because of the same reason nintendo will become an early leader. its all in the game liabrary, it creates a legitimate option to dl games. Microsoft does not have this, sony does (ps1).

x360 will be 2nd place in this generation just because thier price point will beat sony and they can create all the options the ps3 can and stilll be under (they have tivo, its just a matter of programing it and anything they need to do they can just create an add on for it). nintendo will be 3 in the states but grab market share because of retro thinking and price point. sony is going to start really slow, really really slow after the early adopters grab the system......what will be the turning point is if they can get thier format adopted by the world, if they dont.....look for ps4 or a psp integrated into a new model of the ps3.

[Taito]

Who the hell is IT Media? And I can't account for the 360, but Xbox1 had a small following in Japan and not everybody dismissed the console as ugly, oversized gaijin scum.. that doesn't mean it caught on at all in the mainstream public.

We'll see what happens.. I'm just kidding about the 'gaijin scum' thing btw.. Xbox1 failed because it didn't have enough compelling Japanese games.

[ParryAll]

I dunno, I think this speaks volumes. The fact that Japanese gamers think that even Microsoft's showing had a greater impact on them is a mindfuck. They only showed 1 game (Blue Dragon) with Japanese appeal and a short ass all-CG clip at that, while Sony pulled out the big guns (FFXII, VF5, etc.). Why is this?

My guess is that Japan is just pissed about the size of the console, and the price point.

I know size of the console seems like a stupid reason here in the West, but over there it is a big deal, and a major reason why the Xbox was so unapealing to them.

[Hunter D]

I can just see all the japs crying when they saw the dimesions and weight of the PS3.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Bounce:

PS3 definitely will not "dominate" in the long run. If anything they'll barely squeak by with a win, but with Sony's current financial situation, that's not enough for the company as a whole. They're banking on this shit.

And think of how badly consumer confidence was shaken by this E3. How do you think developers/publishers felt by it? All this talk of "I'll wait for a price drop" is not good for them. They'll likely port out all PS3 exclusives to 360 to save on costs and create content with little financial risk for Nintendo Wii.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Who the hell is IT Media? And I can't account for the 360, but Xbox1 had a small following in Japan and not everybody dismissed the console as ugly, oversized gaijin scum.. that doesn't mean it caught on at all in the mainstream public.

lol I don't know who IT Media is either but you know informed Japanese gamers and fanboys alike voted on it. And even if it was a small sample of 50 or so people, the poll still says a lot. Pull in any 50 Japanese people you saw at a gaming store during 2005 and ask them what their preferred system of choice was and guaranteed the statistics would have been MUCH different. But then again, that's speculation backed by sales numbers.

Still, quite shocking

[Septimus Prime]

Hooray for armchair analysts. Apparently, everyone's an expert nowadays. :rolleyes:

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Septimus:

Get a degree in industrial/business engineering you faggot and then maybe it'll actually seem reasonable. At least my points get across to regular, non-blinded peeps. Or you know, let Sony shit all over your hobby and get away with it.

[Return of Shiki]

The only thing the poll means is that the Japanese were knocked out by Nintendo's presentation and not so much out of Sony's.

The Smash Bros. trailer WAS the coolest thing of the whole show.

Does that mean Sony's going out of business because the PS3 will tank?

Not at all.

[Ragetowersrage]

*sniffs air*

Wait....what's that.....Do I smell Fanboy?

[Impact]

600 bux?????? Waste of money!

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Shiki:

You can't deny that showing FFXIII should've at least put Sony's presentation over Microsoft's.

And I just think that with Sony about to lose it's stronghold on the marketshare means a recession for the industry as a whole. With an even more segmented market, publishers will be taking less risks (Okami, ICO, etc.) and sticking with the sure fire sellers. This isn't just bad for Sony, it's bad for us as well.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

*sniffs air*

Wait....what's that.....Do I smell Fanboy?

lol you should've been dropped when you were being carried from the test tube into your whore mom's birthing sac

[TheSix]

LOL! This thread wins the award for most bullshit in one post. 360 > nothing in any country....ESPECIALLY Japan. Sony will sell more PS3's on launch day then 360s and original boxes combined.

And people act like the "moition sensor" was ALL Nintendo. How many motion detection controllers have been out before? A lot. It's hardly new or original.

[AL the great]

I am really going to laugh hard when everyone winds up buying a PS3 anyway. I remember when no one was going to buy an XBOX or a 360.

*NINJA EDIT* I also don't understand why people get so pissed about Sony (or any other company) ripping off another company's hardware innovations. Sure, originality is good, but it really doesn't bug me too much that more systems have a cool new innovative feature.

you know at first i was all WTF 500/600 bux in price too high no one will buy this shit. but you know what after seeing that poll on srk who will buy the ps3 i'm convinced sony can price their shit at 1000 bux and alot of people will still buy it.

[Super Warrior]

Yeah but think about the people who did take the poll, they were hardcore gamers. And hardcore gamers seem to be leaning more towards the Wii as well. So who's Sony got now?

LOL @ all the blatent, rabid fanboy hate.

Oh yeah so because of 1 website poll that was not in Sony's favor, that automatically spells doom for them?

Okayyyy...if it helps ya to sleep better at night, keep reaching for those stars fanboys. Maybe if you Wish really hard it'll magically come true.

[Kryian]

Internet polls are a terrible source of information. Nintendo has a much larger Internet following, and makes it much easier to scew results.

In general, if it's an Internet poll, Nintendo will win. It's always been that way.

[Muskau]

Didn't they do a new article on Xbox 360 already in japan? Apparently the prices were slashed since launch day was really slow, apparently they were considering a relaunch, with heaps of bundled extras.

[Super Warrior]

I don't have any unfound hatred against Sony. They created it by thinking it's okay to fuck over their fans. Misleading campaigns, promises never kept, and their whole "let's take what makes it good and put it in our shit" strategy. The last issue is more of a moral one but it doesn't even make sense business-wise. If they're going to steal a competitor's ideas, at least make them BETTER. Otherwise, you're just doing their marketing for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'll break down and get a PS3 but only when it's bargain bin clearance cheap to play MGS4. I just hope them getting the shit kicked out of them in the market will bring this about quicker.

I don't have any unfound hatred against Sony.

Wiieally? Surrrrrre heh. Your hatred for sony is blindly obvious there buddy.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Wiieally? Surrrrrre heh. Your hatred for sony is blindly obvious there buddy.

Do you even know what "unfounded" means and the context I used it in?

Edit: Instead of attacking that statement, you should have tried to defend Sony's tactics.

[Super Warrior]

you know at first i was all WTF 500/600 bux in price too high no one will buy this shit. but you know what after seeing that poll on srk who will buy the ps3 i'm convinced sony can price their shit at 1000 bux and alot of people will still buy it.

Hell NO! *points to above post*

Ahem...THAT kinda thinking right there is Sony's only real weakness. If they do like Al says and put TOO much faith in their PlayStation name thinking it'll sell no matter what the price, they're mistaken.

I have a PS2 and love it, but damn i waited till early 2004 to finally get one due to high PS2 prices. And the alleged price of the PS3 looks to be nearly twice as much. Cost does factor into things alot, brand name recognition only takes a console so far.

[AKUMA2000]

Dunno if this has been posted yet (fuck if I'm going to read through the whole E3 thread), but the latest poll from www.itmedia.co.jp (an IT site) about E3 conference reactions has been released.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7282/quickpoll9fc.jpg

You know it's bad when the Japanese prefer the 360 over PS3. I guess they couldn't take the ridiculously high price, lies, blantant thievery of Wiimote functions, lies, copycat of Xbox live service (without the proven stability and effectiveness of Live itself), lies, and of course it's fucking GIGANTIC SIZE HOLY SHIT.

If the PSP vs. DS battle in Japan is any indication (as much as I hate doing console vs. handheld comparisons), the Japanese prefer the quirky and innovative types of games making it's way to the market. Looks like Nintendo is back in it's homeland's throne this time.

Fuck Sony. I'm not buying their $600 piece of shit and letting them think that it's okay to release future consoles at this pricepoint. Plus their "me-too" bullshit with their features is gay as fuck. Liars.


Like sony has a freakin uzi to your head forcing you to go your bank, withdraw money, hold you hostage at walmart or ebgames for the next 6 months so you can be the 1st in line to get a ps3.......:rolleyes:

If gasoline was common sense you couldn't even drive around the block.

[Yoshi_Kimachi]

With Xbox live and how much it costs within five years compared to the free PS3 online, and the fact VF5 is exclusive, I honestly think Microsoft get's screwed, but poeple magically don't think about this stuff. Without those two things, I'd prefer the 360.

The Wii is for me, and it's because of smash and mario galaxy.

[Stevie White]

But if you've been following video games for more than a couple of years, you should probably be aware that a price drop of at least 100 dollars follows every console's first year, and then come the inevitable pack in deals... Also consider the fact that hardware defects always get hammered out by remodels... If you really are that bummed about the PS3's price, just wait a year. You'll get a better bargain, and the classic games ain't going anywhere.

I seriously don't understand console fandom - at least when it comes to the point of hating on consoles you don't "support." Just don't buy them, no one has a gun to your head.

Ahh fuck it, I can't hold it back any more, I've been sitting on this for 10 years ---

FUCKING 3D0! $700 FUCKING DOLLARS, FUCK PANASONIC, LONG LIVE NEO GEO CD! PHILLIPS CDI FOR FUCKING LIFE!

This isn't like the Saturn launching for 399 man.

[Super Warrior]

Do you even know what "unfounded" means and the context I used it in?

I know a fanboy who has(somewhat) of a grudge when i see one though.

Edit: Instead of attacking that statement, you should have tried to defend Sony's tactics.

I'm not defending anything of sony when it comes to PS3. I always thought they were trying to do too damn much, just like with the PSP.

GAME systems don't friggin' need 60GB HDDs for movies and shit, super-duper 1080 resolution support, or the biggest media capacity available like Blu-Ray,etc. Sony's hard-on for all this cutting-edge tech shit and loseing sight of what really matters----the gaming, could cost them big in the future.

Its also the reason for those absurd high system prices.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Like sony has a freakin uzi to your head forcing you to go your bank, withdraw money, hold you hostage at walmart or ebgames for the next 6 months so you can be the 1st in line to get a ps3.......:rolleyes:

If gasoline was common sense you couldn't even drive around the block.


No but I've had and played the shit out of all my favorite franchises on the PS1-2 and them pulling this shit keeps from doing that for at least another 2-3 years.

If sluttiness was common sense your mother is a whore.

[spoon]

Fuck blue-ray

[Stevie White]

If sluttiness was common sense your mother is a whore. :confused:

[VG Emblem]

Sony's doom looms ever so closer everyday.

Remember guys, when it happens, I expect at least three threads here devoted specifically to telling me I was right and sorry for doubting me.

[StoicSteve]

this poll was stupid its had a vague question. TO me its asking who put on the best show. WHich means frankly crap as to are you gonna buy a ps3 or not. That would be a better question. Post up a poll that says Which Consoles will you buy. Another thing about polls is they can be very biased as well.For ex. I like sony so I got poll people only on Sony's side. Now my poll is going to say 500 people interviewed at e3 and not mention where it was taken. So basically dont trust polls you can manipulate them or they can unintentionally be manipulated.

[StoicSteve]

this poll was stupid its had a vague question. TO me its asking who put on the best show. WHich means frankly crap as to are you gonna buy a ps3 or not. That would be a better question. Post up a poll that says Which Consoles will you buy. Another thing about polls is they can be very biased as well.For ex. I like sony so I got poll people only on Sony's side. Now my poll is going to say 500 people interviewed at e3 and not mention where it was taken. So basically dont trust polls you can manipulate them or they can unintentionally be manipulated.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

I know a fanboy who has(somewhat) of a grudge when i see one though.


No you don't. I went into E3 thinkin "holy shit time to preorder soon" which turned into "fuck sony lost a customer."

GAME systems don't friggin' need 60GB HDDs for movies and shit, super-duper 1080 resolution support, or the biggest media capacity available like Blu-Ray,etc. Sony's hard-on for all this cutting-edge tech shit and loseing sight of what really matters----the gaming, could cost them big in the future.

Its also the reason for those absurd high system prices.

I think the HDD was a smart move and that's where Microsoft fucked up. That shit actually helps out game developers. The other shit can go though.

[SNkNuT]

LOL! This thread wins the award for most bullshit in one post. 360 > nothing in any country....ESPECIALLY Japan. Sony will sell more PS3's on launch day then 360s and original boxes combined.

And people act like the "moition sensor" was ALL Nintendo. How many motion detection controllers have been out before? A lot. It's hardly new or original.


yeah but nintendo was the first to do it on a gaming console when the other companies didn't think about it or have the balls to do it. so +1 to nintendo for this. nintendo was pretty much the first company to try new stuff on a controller.

for example the snes controller was the first one to feature 4 standard buttons with L and R triggers.

the n64 controller was the first to have rumble capability and an analog stick.

and now the Wii was the first to have the motion sensor.

then all of a certain sony comes out with motion sensor of their own and i'm pretty sure M$ has something similar in the works.

as for Sony, I think they really FUCKED up on this one. was it becuase of the success of the ps1 and ps2 that they think they can do anything they want? its the gamers that decide and when you priced a console for 600+ you're asking to lose.

so i don't know on this one but for a portable system, the DS is the way to go. as for next gen consoles, i love MGS 4 and FF13 but its just too damn expensive. its a toss up between the 360 and Wii for me now.

[Infernoman]

ESCPlan (redux) it's just one poll...take it with a grain of salt, because unless you have a time machine you don't know what the future is going to be. Anyone can analyze and assume whatever at this point and make it sound perfectly logical but remember that the market is always changing. From what has been seen, something as small as one game can make the difference *looks at Halo on X-Box and FF7 on PS1*

but hey what do I know, I'm just saying is all...

[Mr.Q]

PS3 isnt even out yet. People are morons.

[Taito]

lol I don't know who IT Media is either but you know informed Japanese gamers and fanboys alike voted on it. And even if it was a small sample of 50 or so people, the poll still says a lot. Pull in any 50 Japanese people you saw at a gaming store during 2005 and ask them what their preferred system of choice was and guaranteed the statistics would have been MUCH different. But then again, that's speculation backed by sales numbers.

Still, quite shocking
Informed gamers are more objective and aren't the ones that would just reject a Microsoft console on sight.. as for the poll, who was surveyed? I remember plenty of Famitsu reader polls that showed interest in the Xbox system and games, but that didn't amount to jack all for the platform's success.

If it was a national poll then it would be telling.

PS. Co-signed with post #46.

[snakedizzle209]

I wouldnt take anything from japan so seriously until TGS. The Japanese market isnt really into the type of alot games sony showed at e3. I wasnt really impressed much either. The poll was just what they thought had the best show at e3. Sony did have a pretty shitty show this year, but the same exact thing happened last year with the 360.

Quite frankly Sony did fuck up, but it isnt a big deal. Think about it. PS3s are gonna sell out nomatter what . By the time the sales finally start slowing down eventually they can drop the price and attract people who were waiting for a price drop anyways.

Dont count your chickens before they hatch.

[RoninChaos]

Sony's doom looms ever so closer everyday.

Remember guys, when it happens, I expect at least three threads here devoted specifically to telling me I was right and sorry for doubting me.

You think you're the ONLY person on here who's said "uh, Sony is fuckin' up."? You're no different than any other MS or Sony fanboy. For christ's sake, shut the fuck up.

[DanHibiki]

^haha

I have to admit though, E3 gave me a 2nd look at the revolution (wii name is just gay). SSBM does look solid, but I think I'd still play my 2D fighters.

[_MJ_#R]

ms is taking over..

all hail ms..

[Luckychrono777]

It's a poll about the best E3 conference...

not what system your gonna buy...

[Return of Shiki]

Sony's doom looms ever so closer everyday.

Remember guys, when it happens, I expect at least three threads here devoted specifically to telling me I was right and sorry for doubting me.

I hate to throw salt on your wet dream, but...

As fan-fucking-tastic as SSBB looks...for every hardcore, die-hard Nintendo fan who would be willing and able to pay even $600 for a Wii and Smash...there's a Tyrell and Cletus who will be slinging enough crack/meth in order to come into my store to even pay $1000 for a PS3 and their Madden.

[-KDX-]

wait till they see the games.

games make the system, not gay little parlor tricks like tilt sensors and faceplates. What I am seeing from Wii is YET ANOTHER wave of kiddie games from nintendo and weak ass lookin 3rd party games. 360 is just a piece of garbage that plays mediocre "kinda next gen" games. Sony will rule once again...the system isnt even out yet so people dont know WHAT to think until they see and play it.

-KDX-

[nameingway]

Sony's doom looms ever so closer everyday.

Remember guys, when it happens, I expect at least three threads here devoted specifically to telling me I was right and sorry for doubting me.

you're a fucking douche.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Personally Microsoft nor sony impressed me.....infact, the only company that did was Nintendo....I wanted to try just about everygame they previewed. Its been along time since i felt like that.


Microsoft has a great chance to gain steam right now if they play there cards right, Price drop around the q4 and a hit title around Sony's launch (if only halo 3 could be done) and Sony will be hurting....

Nintendo has this in the freaking bag....There gonna have kids from 5 up to adults up to there 30's playing Wii. Not to mention the DS...GG nintendo. The fact that Zelda is coming out at launch is huge enough.


Sony....Well the only thing sony has going for them now is that they are Sony, there popular, and they usually get the big exculsives 1st. FF13 and MGS4 are the only reason's i want a ps3..... With microsoft getting all these RPG's i have no reason to hug sony any longer ( I dislike sony btw) Thats a big screwed up this time..... and its gonna hurt em.
No rumble feature LOL@ sony....
A weak motion sensor...Stop stealing ideals sony and make on up yourself....
Improved online play and the addtion of a hard drive.....Sony please do something orginal, if your gonna steal at least do it better....

Sony did nothing but show of things other people have already shown...Not only that there products weren't half as good.



On the other hand Sony is ultra popular....All they need is to get some air time on mtv....Throw a lil sony mtv2 party pre release bash and sony is a contender in the USA again...

In japan, i think nintendo will reign supreme if, they can keep the games coming....

I can see the controller thing getting annoying and stale later on down the line....I think they should make reg controllers as well. But make sure that the developers main focus is the motion sensor controller with support of the reg controllers.

[GGL-steve]

I don't think this poll means much, if anything it's just reinforcing what people have been saying for a long time about all three consoles.

1. PS3= over promised, over priced, under delivered, with a bunch of crap that nobody wants or cares about.

2. MS= lacking games but working on it, xbox live is worth the price alone with classic games, waiting to see what they do.

3. Nintendo= not fucking around anymore, wants their market back, concentrating only on making games and not the media center logic of the others.

The only issue that now it's not just the tech/games industry that see's it, the cat's out of the bag and it's in plain sight for the consumer to see. I called the PS3 price point months ago (and got flamed for it) none of this has been a shock. The only issue is that now everybody can see it without having to look into financial records and other items. What you see now is the "backlash" from the consumer, which is similar to the backlash from the tech industry several months ago.

And people act like the "moition sensor" was ALL Nintendo. How many motion detection controllers have been out before? A lot. It's hardly new or original.


Agreed. Honestly nothing any system is doing is revolutionary. The issue is who brought it to the console market first and they are all pissing themselves over the chance to patent it... and I'll laugh like crazy when they get sued AGAIN



Yes and No.

MS had originally planed to launch the 360 with a bunch of japanese centric games (read 2d fighters and good RPG's). However they also wanted a global launch early. So rather then wait for their ideal launch they rushed it and it bit them in the ass. They have come forward in public with the concept of a relaunch once they have the pieces in place to do so... there is a good reason why they are going after 2d arcade games like crazy and that's not the only ace they have up their sleave.

Ahem...THAT kinda thinking right there is Sony's only real weakness. If they do like Al says and put TOO much faith in their PlayStation name thinking it'll sell no matter what the price, they're mistaken.


Not really. Sony hasn't been making "quality" products since the walkman/discman era. Yet people keep buying their TV's/computers/dvd players because the Sony name has a good reputation. Sony knows this because it's the reason all their items sell.

The uniformed consumer will go to the store and buy Sony branded items, the tech savy consumer who knows what everything does and is out for the best items won't. However most of the population doesn't know jack shit about electronics/computers and buys off brand.

But if you've been following video games for more than a couple of years, you should probably be aware that a price drop of at least 100 dollars follows every console's first year, and then come the inevitable pack in deals... Also consider the fact that hardware defects always get hammered out by remodels... If you really are that bummed about the PS3's price, just wait a year. You'll get a better bargain, and the classic games ain't going anywhere.


Very true, but on the other hand Sony doesn't own all the parts of the PS3 so the chip makers can keep charging them whatever the fuck they want to keep the price inflated in other markets. In the case of MS or Nintendo they own the rights to make their own chips and thus set the market price. The PS3 price will drop, but probably not at the dramatic rate many are hoping for.

GAME systems don't friggin' need 60GB HDDs for movies and shit, super-duper 1080 resolution support, or the biggest media capacity available like Blu-Ray,etc. Sony's hard-on for all this cutting-edge tech shit and loseing sight of what really matters----the gaming, could cost them big in the future.

Its also the reason for those absurd high system prices.

I agree 100% however the PS3 is not (and never was) a "game system". It's goal was always to move blu-ray into the market and help Sony win the proprietary format war. Sony as a company has been losing a ton of money over the years (ironically largely because they keep trying to push formats and failing). Even if the PS3 bombs as long as blu-ray catches on they are going to win out big time.

I think the HDD was a smart move and that's where Microsoft fucked up. That shit actually helps out game developers. The other shit can go though.

How does it help them out? Console games don't need an HDD how many great games have we had without an HDD? Just because PC games take advantage of an HDD doesn't mean it's a good thing. Yes some PC items help consoles (hence why they have such great GFX now Nvidia and ATi making some fucking quality products) but an HDD is used to store data. Unless you plan on creating game mods (and then having to deal with the bullshit of distributing them and having a server redirect download which doesn't exist for consoles), or pirating everything known to man an HDD doesn't add much value to a console. Furthermore the prices/cost of an HDD for a console doesn't add up. For that same 100 bucks it takes to get 40 gigs more I could buy a 300 gb HD for a PC. Now why is it that graphics chips/ram/cpus are cheaper for a console (all be it of lower quality) but HDD's (of vastly lower quality) are so expensive? The answer is it's an excuse to drive up the price the consumer pays for it.

yeah but nintendo was the first to do it on a gaming console when the other companies didn't think about it or have the balls to do it. so +1 to nintendo for this. nintendo was pretty much the first company to try new stuff on a controller.

for example the snes controller was the first one to feature 4 standard buttons with L and R triggers.

the n64 controller was the first to have rumble capability and an analog stick.

and now the Wii was the first to have the motion sensor.


yeah but nintendo was the first to do it on a gaming console when the other companies didn't think about it or have the balls to do it. so +1 to nintendo for this. nintendo was pretty much the first company to try new stuff on a controller.

for example the snes controller was the first one to feature 4 standard buttons with L and R triggers.

the n64 controller was the first to have rumble capability and an analog stick.

and now the Wii was the first to have the motion sensor.


Once again Nintendo did not create this technology. Force feedback, analog control, and motion sensors have been around for a long time. Sony is no more guilty of ripping Nintendo off then Nintendo is of ripping others off. The only issue is that Nintendo is famous for pitching a fit and taking the high and mighty road claiming that they invented a concept, where as Sony just does whatever.

There is an old saying in the tech industry (and yes video games are part of the tech industry) about a companies rise and fall to glory. a company can only get ahead when their competition makes a fatal mistake, this holds true universally. The N64 was a mistake and Nintendo got fucked for it, the Saturn was a mistake and Sega got fucked for it, I can go on and on. This console generation will be decided by who underdelivers the most, or who makes the biggest blunder.

[VG Emblem]

I hate to throw salt on your wet dream, but...

As fan-fucking-tastic as SSBB looks...for every hardcore, die-hard Nintendo fan who would be willing and able to pay even $600 for a Wii and Smash...there's a Tyrell and Cletus who will be slinging enough crack/meth in order to come into my store to even pay $1000 for a PS3 and their Madden.
Tis a sad world we live in isn't it?

I don't even think I would pay $600 for a Wii, that's just overkill (would probably wait for a price drop/sell a kidney).

[ViciousSLASH]

This thread is stupid.

Look, PS3 has VF5 and FF13.

VIRTUA FIGHTER FIVE AND FINAL FANTASY THIRTEEN.

Japanese people are going to try to resist it and make excuses to not plunk down 32432135412354 yen on a PS3, but there inner nerd instincts will make them single handly be the cause of sony's stock rising like 3 points the day FF13 comes out.

Expect a seisure or two as a few Japanese teenagers try to force themselves to not buy the game.

Also VG, man cut out the nintendo stuff, I know this is the internet, and we all have dumb gimmicks, ( I'm Mr ladidad dumbass woody woody woo ) but basing your whole mannerisms of typing as a whole on typing is just lame.

If PS3 didn't cost 600 dollars everyone would be still talking about how cracked out MGS 4 and FF13 looked.

The only things sony has done totally wrong are the size of the system and the price. If they can fix those two somehow before it's WAY too late, then they will have a good chance to win the little console war. I guess the forcing of Blu Ray on us is a mistake as well.

[Taito]

Plus it's E3/May and the system rolls out in November.. a lot can happen between now and then (like downgrading the hardware or removing more components? Haha), so I wouldn't rule out a price markdown, especially after the poor reaction to the price from fans and developers/publishers alike.. if the PS3 core pack was $399 with all the stuff the PS3 can do, the 360 would end up looking fairly inadequate.. who knows.

[crimzonflame]

I remember when people were saying how Nintendo was gonna win when Gamecube came out. "Nintendo doesnt need a DVD player, or online capabilities. They are all about gaming". Its gonna be the same outcome this time around. Honestly that Red Steel game looks like shit.

Also topic creator has Nintendo's dick in his mouth, Microsoft's up his ass, and Sony's in his fat whore mother.

[GGL-steve]

I remember when people were saying how Nintendo was gonna win when Gamecube came out. "Nintendo doesnt need a DVD player, or online capabilities. They are all about gaming". Its gonna be the same outcome this time around. Honestly that Red Steel game looks like shit.

Also topic creator has Nintendo's dick in his mouth, Microsoft's up his ass, and Sony's in his fat whore mother.

That is all true, but in this industry you only get ahead when another company falls flat on it's face.

It's not that Nintendo did something right, it's that Sony stepped in the dogshit this time

[VG Emblem]

I remember when people were saying how Nintendo was gonna win when Gamecube came out. "Nintendo doesnt need a DVD player, or online capabilities. They are all about gaming". Its gonna be the same outcome this time around. Honestly that Red Steel game looks like shit.

Also topic creator has Nintendo's dick in his mouth, Microsoft's up his ass, and Sony's in his fat whore mother.
DVD's not that big this time around and Nintendo does have online capabilities. Plus amazing games, decent graphics, cheaper price, new badass remote, a virtual console for super backwards compatibility and possibly indy games. Now tell me, what the fuck have they done wrong this time?

And like GGL Steve just said, Sony's fuckin up.

[Taito]

Yeah, people seem to forget Wii can play DVD movies..

And N-fans were very triumphant on the eve of the Gamecube launch. The tables have definitely turned with Sony's insane PS3 pricing and Nintendo's handheld domination in Japan, but the fanboys sound exactly the same.

I didn't want to say it but the Sony hate by Nintendo fans in this thread is just annoying. They just want their favorite childhood videogame company to rule the market with an iron fist and screw developers and gamers over, instead of Sony. Great, instead of Castro we get Jong Il, again.

[holler mcdollar]

get over it, prices for things go up. even a fucking pay phone call costs 50 or 75 cents and packs of gum cost 1.50. yeah 600 bucks is bullshit but it's ps3... PS3! you know you're still buying one. sony has you by the balls and there's not really anything you can do about it.

[Ragetowersrage]

lol you should've been dropped when you were being carried from the test tube into your whore mom's birthing sac


Wait a sec....If my mom is a whore then why am I a test tube baby? Your burns are lame...

Go swallow a knife...Thank you

[bill_rizer]

Man this thread is stupid, why cant people Discuss stuff in a adult manner, why has everything got to end up being fanboy this, your mom this.

childish, maybe some of you are young who knows, and all I see is people moaning about is the price of the ps3, is their anything else wrong with it? nobody has said anything, so when the price drops that problem will go away right?

They anit nothing wrong with the games, and is it not all about the games?

I like what I like and thats that, this ps3 price thing has gone overboard.

[Chachi]

They're probably more upset about not having anywhere to plug their HORIs in...

[archetype]

lol I love when E3 comes around and the funny threads come up about the death of one system, the domination of another, whos fucking up, whos innovating, etc. I know mad people gonna get the ps3 when it comes out and like Slash says it has FF and Mgs4 for god sakes. 600 bucks? Start saving your pennies and save the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

Fuck polls in Japan, who cares what they think about the ps3, wii or w/e. If they don't don't buy it you won't? Go get your pocky and chill.

[Bounce]

for sony's sake, lets hope that blue-ray format will take off...if the format fails sony will be in serious trouble.

after thinking about it, nintendo has the best system (as far as specs) to compete. their system has the capacity for dvd, cd, 8cm (gamecube) and 12cm (wii) formats, which could allow them to make dvd games, if thier market demands it. nintendo's cult following and willingness to make non-games like brain age and nintendogs are whats going to bring in alot of ppl who dont have kids and are not into gaming. the only thing i can see that would harm nintendo is if they over did the accessories.

x360 will likely take the second spot because of their willingness to do anything to maintain marketshare (motion sensor controllers are a drop in the bucket for msoft who can develop and ship to market by january if need be). what saves them is their price point.

sony will be safe as long as they maintain thier exclusives (people will buy a ps3 for ff13 just like they did for ff7 and the ps1), its just a matter of seeing which developers will be able to pony money for dev kits. The biggest thing sony needs to do is find a way to market themselves as far from a game system as possible. to do this sony entertainment and sony electronics are going to have to work together.

[roninwarrior24]

I just love how Nintendo can grab an entire audience all by themselves (meaning ALMOST NO THIRD PARTY AGAIN). Every time I say that Nintendo's screwed because of no 3rd party, they show me something like Mario Galaxy or SSBB. It just feels odd. Whereas Sony and MS have a somewhat varied lineup of games, Nintendo is usually 90% Mario/Zelda/Metroid/other Nintendo franchises. Hopefully, this will change, but even if it doesn't, what's to complain about? When Nintendo hits, they hit HARD!

p.s. Sony will reign 1st in America..........until Halo 3 comes out (yes. It's THAT big). Then MS will probably take the crown. I may be wrong, though, and I won't mind if I am.

[fubarduck]

Dunno if this has been posted yet (fuck if I'm going to read through the whole E3 thread), but the latest poll from www.itmedia.co.jp (an IT site) about E3 conference reactions has been released.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7282/quickpoll9fc.jpg



Hate to burst your bubble, but you totally misunderstood the poll. The Japanese asks which conference they found to be the most interesting, not which console they prefer.

I think we can all agree that the Nintendo conference was the most interesting at E3 this year (given all the new information and secrets revealed) but that doesn't necessarily mean I am going to buy a Wii and not a PS3.

[x_tremer]

I still think ps3 will sell well, somewhat based on developer loyalty and fan loyalty.

Nintendo will do very well in japan as well imo.

[TheRock-BoS]

Does Sony's stock dropping more than 3 points since the announcement of the price of the PS3 mean anything? :wonder:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SNE&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

[Nando]

Mabey the want "new" games?

[Athanasy]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting


MrWizard needs to change my sn to Athanasii.

[AKUMA2000]

I just love how Nintendo can grab an entire audience all by themselves (meaning ALMOST NO THIRD PARTY AGAIN). Every time I say that Nintendo's screwed because of no 3rd party, they show me something like Mario Galaxy or SSBB. It just feels odd. Whereas Sony and MS have a somewhat varied lineup of games, Nintendo is usually 90% Mario/Zelda/Metroid/other Nintendo franchises. Hopefully, this will change, but even if it doesn't, what's to complain about? When Nintendo hits, they hit HARD!

p.s. Sony will reign 1st in America..........until Halo 3 comes out (yes. It's THAT big). Then MS will probably take the crown. I may be wrong, though, and I won't mind if I am.


Halo 3 and MGS4 will both be released next year, MS reign will probably be short lived.

[MvC2fanatic]

I might buy a PS3 if they took out blueray and dropped the price to 399.


This might happen later on as someone mentioned when bray fails.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

well how about this poll that says 78% of those surveyed in Japan will NOT buy a PS3

options:

Yes, at launch 4%

Yes, when games I like are out 15.9%

No 78.4%

http://www.yoronchousa.net/webapp/vote/form/?id_research=426

[platinum_pinoy]

You know the dumbest thing about PS3? You know there is gonna be Tetris on it, and seriously, it's going to be the biggest waste of technology when that happens.

Seriously, next-gen Tetris with 1080p on a 50GB Blu Ray will probably take up at MOST 1GB, and will probably use 1/10000000 of the Cell's processing power.

You're playing Tetris on a $600 machine that could easily be done on the Super Nintendo. Kind of like Geometry Wars on the 360.

[shadowcharlie]

its so popular to hate sony congrats thread starter ur in the in crowed ^_^

[ESCPlan (redux)]

congratulations shadowcharlie your genitals are small

edit: ^_^

[VG Emblem]

its so popular to hate sony congrats thread starter ur in the in crowed ^_^
I'm the originator, all others are simply following. I was Sony hating BEFORE it became popular.

[Doctor Phibes]

Halo 3 and MGS4 will both be released next year, MS reign will probably be short lived.

I don't know about that. If anything its the other way around.

I can see MGS boosting PS3 sales for a couple months... In America.

[platinum_pinoy]

congratulations shadowcharlie your genitals are small

edit: ^_^
That's high quality ESCPlan posting right there. I was expecting a MSPaint pic, but oh well.

[AlphaDragoon02]

Goddamn. Sony done FUCKED UP.

When 78% of Japan, fucking JAPAN where Sony reigns SUPREME in the console wars says "'I'm not buying that shit"...then they have officially fucked themselves. Hord.

I sense Wii pulling a DS over there.

[DS]

I'm the originator, all others are simply following. I was Sony hating BEFORE it became popular.




You were merely a child when Sony began its run with the PSX. So yeah, you're not really a Sony hater. Nor are you the originator you proclaim yourself to be, cubscout.

I still believe that Sony will have a fairly good outcome. I mean, its not gonna be an easy fight by no means. Sony will have to pull all of the stops just to stay on track. And I hate to say it(like most people), but the price is just bullshit to really go ballistic over. Right now its just in the preliminary stages of pricing. They have plenty of time ahead of them to readjust the price and go for something a lot more reasonable.

Its only a projected price. Its nothing final. As much as Sony says its final they have to do a lot of research before they do decide to unleash this thing for the price. Plus, as most have mentioned Sony will definitely go with a price drop by the second year of the PS3. With all of that tech in it its only feasible to go with a $600 dollar price value. BUT, do you really think Sony wants to lose this generation knowing that the competition is getting a lot smarter and a lot more stiffer?

And I really don't think that they'll release two packages. It just doesn't seem right. I mean, if you're gonna want people to buy your shit then put out the PS3 as is for $500 dollars. I guarantee you everyone will buy one. And then with the price drop the following year to $400? I think thats plenty. And of course from there you go down $50 dollars every 4 months or so.

In a sense I feel that the pricing on the PS3 is this high because Sony isn't really generating too many sales with the PSP. As good as the PSP is selling I don't think its making them enough cash right now. But thats just me. I'm just calling it as I see it.


Also, why are people throwing out the assumption that if the PS3 fails Sony is gonna go under? They DO make other electronics like TVs and CD players.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Also, why are people throwing out the assumption that if the PS3 fails Sony is gonna go under? They DO make other electronics like TVs and CD players.

Because their home entertainment division and VAIO computing division are their only profitable businesses. They lost the portable music device a long time ago when they refused to allow mp3s to play on them while pushing their own digital format (atrack I believe). Format pioneers lol

And their TV division isn't what it used to be since they refused to develop technologies when digital formats were coming out (LCD, plasma, etc.). They stuck to their ancient analog CRT technology and refused to budge. But consumers who buy HDTVs now want digital.

[WasFemto]

like Slash says it has FF and Mgs4 for god sakes. 600 bucks? Start saving your pennies and save the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

.

he said Virtua Fighter 5 actually.


MGS does better here than in Japan.

Fucking VF gets no love.


*goes back to playing EVO*

[Mr.Q]

I really dont care about the 500. I care more about the games. Which hardly anyone talks about on this thread. Who cares if the console is 500, wat if it comes out with games that are worth it? I meen if Silent hill 5, A new Chrono Trigger game, dragon quest 9, or some other really good games come out for it hell id buy it for 800.00. Price isnt the problem.

It just depends if the games are worth getting, if not no one will buy PS3.

[MeelJ]

I really don't know what to think about the Playstation 3. It looks and sounds very impressive. But the price is just way too much. That is just a little too much for the average gamer. Who in there right mind wants to spend that much on a gaming console anyways.

I can have fun on NES. It's all about entertainment right? I know gaming companies want to take their consoles to the next level of experience, but graphics and hardware won't do that alone. It's about being innovative. Don't get me wrong, seeing something visually stunning will make me awe. It will also make me want to join in the experience. When I saw the mock-up for KillZone--WOW. I know the game probably won't look like that, but if it does..I would definitely want to play it. But for $600 dollars? No sir.

I would love to own a Ferrari. But what if instead, I bought a Volvo. Sure the Ferrari would make peoples eyes pop out, and driving it would be a great experience. But at the core, they 're used for the same thing, transportation.

If someone laid out in front of me: A Playstation 3, X-Box 360, Nintendo Wii, which one would I chose? Of course a Playstation 3. But no one is going to do that. It's shaping itself to be one of those things that people want, but majority don't have.

It's okay to settle for less, especially for a gaming console. The price is just ridiculous.
It can probably do alot of things, but it's a gaming console. I'm buying it to be entertained. It'll be able to do that, but so will the other systems.

One could say it boils down to games. But most people mix that saying with popular games. Every console has great games. Sega Dreamcast had a ridiculous amount of great games, but that failed. Plus I hear that Playstation games are supposed to be $80? What's next? $100 dollar games? Bananas. To be fair, I thought the same thing when games went up to $60. I don't know the last time I played $60 for a game though. But people easily pay $50-60 dollars now for games. So $80 dollars might not be asking much for some people.

I honestly think the Playstation 3 is something people are not ready for. The 3DO was really expensive, but VERY impressive for it's time. But no one was ready then to spend that much money on a console. It also didn't have the power that is backing the PS3, but I don't think the casual consumer is ready to spend that much money on a gaming console.

Only time will tell.

[TrueSephiroth]

*Sigh*...alot of you fanboys need to put your colored shirts, hats, and your fanboy juice boxes away. After reading alot of the hate or whatever, this shit is getting old...let's be honest now...look at the past, what has made the system...is it ths system itself? No, anybody should know by now that games make the system, and when I see Sony's lineup of games....Tekken6, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII...this says alot as to why I will buy a PS3, and as to why alot of other people will be licking on Sony's new popsicle when it comes out.

The pricing for the system is being blown way out of proportion, this is stupid and ridiculous...do all of you not work? Don't tell me all of you are 13 yrs old and still earning 10 dollar allowances a week while posting up on srk.com, and even if you are working, don't give me this shit that you cant save because you have to pay rent, bills, insurances, and 3.00's for gas...because you know what...I have to do all of this, and yet I know I'll be able to save enough to get it, but most importantly (seemingly like everyone forgot) the games will make me buy the PS3, not the damn system. Don't try to be like my cousin who's the biggest hypocrite I've seen...whining and pissing about Sony's pricing yet he goes out and pays $500 dollars for a pc graphics card and $800 dollars for a PC Monitor...if you do this, and you whine about the pricing for the Sony gtfo (Not pointing fingers to you guys but just a saying).

The price is blown out of proportion, too much fangirl(if any girls)/boyism in here, there's only been a few intelligent post so far. I tell you this...if Wii magically got FFXIII, Tekken6, MGS4 exclusively or MS for that matter, I would buy their system instead...this shows that games play a far more important role than the damn system, you guys all need to quit whining with the hate, six months down the road, we'll see who eats who's own foot.

[Taito]

Food for thought? Reactions to Gamecube's pre-launch showing at E3..

www.planetgamecube.com/eventArt.cfm?artid=567

I don't think Wii's gonna fail, and Nintendo has a much better strategy in place than they did for Gamecube, but E3 reception and retail performance are two different things.

[Doctor Who]

I'll use mathematics so poeple who can't read well can understand:

Price of PS3: $600
Price of 360: $400

Price of Ps3 Online: $0
Price of Xbox Live: $50 annually

Price of PS3 wi fi: $0
Price of Xbox wifi: $100

Alright, so that's a $50 difference. Of coutse I am not accounting for extra controllers and that shitalcular HD-DVD drive for the 360 that's $100 dollars.


Also, blu-ray is the most likely going to end up being the new digital media. Seeing as how blu-ray holds about 11 times as much as one DVD that means more data can be on one disc so the franchise mode won't be missing on Hi-Def sports games, multiple language tracks can be incorperated (I say this using Yakuza as an example of the DVD limitation) and things like 'behind the scenes' will be on one disc instead of paying $15 extra for a 2-disc 'limited edition.' Also for things such as movie or TV box sets, they will be condensed from 5 or six discs into one. So imagine basking in one or even two sesons of Jack Bauer's amazing exploits on one disc! Also blu-rays has been rumoured to have up to four layers (200 GB) so maybe even entire tv series can be put on one $35-$45 disc!

PS3 will be THE cheapest bluray player on the market, so if bluray picks up it will sell well. And if not, Sony WILL drop the price to sell it so wait and see. Time will tell, it always does.

[Colt Steele]

Doesn't like every big system in Japan launch for $5-700 bux anyway? The price point can't be what's floored anybody over there....just because it hasn't happened over here since 3DO(and was a dismal failure almost solely because of it)can't be what's creating all the hysteria.

About blu-ray....I can't see the American market embracing it, since it cuts potential multi-sales out of the picture. You know how people like to milk the U.S. market.

[GyBaNO]

The PC is gonna wiin when WoW:Burning Crusade finally gets released. :rofl:

Seriously though, being the big Nintendo fanboy that I am, even I can see* how this shit may play out later this year:

*(read at your own risk of possibly losing some brain cells and picking up some bad grammar habits as well, you've been warned)

#1 Xbox 360 (headstart and all, cheaper than the comparable competition[Sony] with similar graphics that likes to dick around constantly in Proprietary Media Land way too fucking much for their own good, superior online service that delivers, controller is extreme godliness)

#2 Nintendo Wii (cheap price and features a solid graphics card that gets the job done, even if its a couple steps below the other guys, new innovative and immersive controller setup, and Zelda at launch.....Zelda, a popluar series that'll have no problem selling more copies of whatever shows up on the other consoles outside of Madden)

#3 PS3 (Sony brand sales and nobody can deny that, excellent graphic capabilities...though it only seems to be a very tiny step above whats inside the 360 console, Blu-Ray has the potential to take off if the public widely accepts it...but I think HD-DVD will prevail regardless and no, I coule careless about either format, the pricetag could be one helluva double-edged sword concerning potential customers outside of the hardcore, features the same ol controller we've been seeing since 1998 but with added in half-assed Sidewinder type shit and minus the excellent rumble[Seriously, Sony, change that shit up, the Dualshock design is and always will be utter shit])

I will own:

Xbox 360 (already have one)

Nintendo Wii (come on, Nintendo has my favorite videogame company for the past 20 years, I'll never turn their consoles down)

PS3 (when it finally retails for $300 2-3 years from now. I do have the dough to layeth down on it, but I'm not paying extra for the privilege of buying into Sony's new media format like they expect us to)

Also, why do some peeps still automatically assume that Nintendo="teh kiddie"? If one were to look around more, you'd find waaaaaaay more "kiddie" games on any Sony system than on a Nintendo one. Seriously!

[GGL-steve]

Also, why are people throwing out the assumption that if the PS3 fails Sony is gonna go under? They DO make other electronics like TVs and CD players.


Because their TV"s are low quality over priced junk, ditto for their CD players. The only part of Sony that has been turning a profit is their games section and a few sectors of home entertainment. The last quality device they made was the walkman.

Even with that they have been going in the red for several years now. Blu-ray is a huge gamble that will either pay off or cripple them. They need it so badly they will even risk the PS3 to push it. The sad part is that blu-ray is so horrid for the consumer and a lot of people don't know it (but they will start to figure it out if it catches on and Sony lays down the pain).

[Captain Ryu]

If sluttiness was common sense your mother is a whore.


:confused:


LOL

[Ceramiclion]

You know... From what I've seen so far I think PS3 will still reign in the console wars. Am I a sony fanboy? No. I wasn't even happy to see the saturn die due to sony's smarter business strategy but that's what survival is all about the fittest survive. I think the reason why people were not impressed by Sony's show was:

1. Many of the games shown this year were shown last year. The playable versions this year were generally less impressive than the shows, so people felt a little cheated. Sony also exaggerated the capabilities of the PS2 last time around so yeah, people feel cheated. Heck I feel cheated.

2.The Dualshake... You know, I think this may have been a bad idea. A lot of people who support sony (such as myself) thought the idea of a motion sensitive controller was unnecessary. Either way it was natural for Sony to use that idea since they lost the rights to Dual-Shock a few months ago. Tilt sensitive controllers are not all that new, and I believe the idea was inspired by nintendo and not stolen. Nintendo wasn't the first to use the idea of motion on a controller. I believe it was logitech, you may correct me if I am wrong.

3 The price... I read some comments last year that sony is not going to lower the price on the PS3 and PSP, if that is true then I will not buy a PS3. $500 for blye-ray system that is not 1080P ready is ridiculous. $600 for a video game system is still ridiculous. If they don't plan on lowering the price then I will go with nintendo if its worth it or I will just move on to be a PC game exclusive gamer.

So there you have it, 3 good reasons why Sony's show was not all people expected. So here's 1 reason why nintendo had the best show.

1. The casual's gamers expectations on the system were low. I know mines were. SO when Mario galaxy and Smah bros were shown it was awesome. We had never seen this before and it was one heck of an impression , and this system is gonna be cheap right? SOLD! Guess we all forgot nintendo's tradition of showing off awesome games. I still have my doubts about this system tho, but if its cheap enough I will buy it anyways.

And the reason why people thought xbox 360 had a better show than sony?

1. Halo 3

So that just about sums it up. E3 2006! All I can say is that the gaming industry might collapse before we all thought it would. Thank God my dreamcast still works.

So that just about sums it up

[ESCPlan (redux)]

Also for things such as movie or TV box sets, they will be condensed from 5 or six discs into one. So imagine basking in one or even two sesons of Jack Bauer's amazing exploits on one disc! Also blu-rays has been rumoured to have up to four layers (200 GB) so maybe even entire tv series can be put on one $35-$45 disc!


You're a misinformed idiot if this is what you think is going to happen. The reason why blu-ray and HD-DVD formats have more space is because encoding video to high definition takes up a shitload of space. You're still going to get the same amount of content on a single blu-ray or HD-DVD.

The miracle all-in-one TV seasons are a pipedream, unless of course the movie companies downgrade all of the content to 480p to make it fit. Not likely.

And those 4 layer blu-rays can only hold up to 100 GB. 8 layer blu-rays can hold up to 200 GB. Both of these technologies are still being researched and thus are a long ways out from the consumer

[ParryAll]

Food for thought? Reactions to Gamecube's pre-launch showing at E3..

www.planetgamecube.com/eventArt.cfm?artid=567

I don't think Wii's gonna fail, and Nintendo has a much better strategy in place than they did for Gamecube, but E3 reception and retail performance are two different things.

The PS2 wasn't 599, launched first, and didn't weigh 5 kg.

[HeaT]

Bounce:

PS3 definitely will not "dominate" in the long run. If anything they'll barely squeak by with a win, but with Sony's current financial situation, that's not enough for the company as a whole. They're banking on this shit.

And think of how badly consumer confidence was shaken by this E3. How do you think developers/publishers felt by it? All this talk of "I'll wait for a price drop" is not good for them. They'll likely port out all PS3 exclusives to 360 to save on costs and create content with little financial risk for Nintendo Wii.

ill explain how the market generally works because it seems like you are confused...

when a new product is released there are 4 types of 'consumers' that will purchase this product through its life span.

early innovator - these are a small percentage of the consumer populationt that will buy the new item at ANY price it is released at, they are VERY price incensitive...

early adaptor - these people are also a small percentage of consumers that will purchase the new product but their percentage is higher than the early innovator. They a little price sensitive but are still willing to pay considerable for a product.

early majority - this is a LARGE percentage of consumers that ARE price sensitive and generally buy the product after a considerable about of time of when it has been released.

late majority - this is a VERY large percentage (the rest of the consumers) that are VERY price sensitive and wait to purchase the product after it has been considerably recduced in price.

-so here is the point. what sony has done is implement a 2 point pricing strategy like microsoft did with the 360. what this does is appeal both to the early innovator and early adaptor to increase sales as much as possible at the start of the products life where the highest profit margins are made.

so basically the people you are listing as saying "we will wait untill price drops" are the early majority and late majority which is obviously what they are going to be saying and since they make up a very large percentage of the consumers this is what you are primarily going to be hearing...

but there will always be the early innovator and early adaptor who are going to be paying whatever amount when it is release so you dont have to worry about sony being in trouble..

pluse they have created rediculous branding, which microsoft has yet to do and nintendo is just hella weird. Basically you are making too much out of this...

im outi

Roberth

[ESCPlan (redux)]

so here is the point. what sony has done is implement a 2 point pricing strategy like microsoft did with the 360. what this does is appeal both to the early innovator and early adaptor to increase sales as much as possible at the start of the products life where the highest profit margins are made.


Your argument is hot garbage. The highest profit margins aren't made at a console's launch. And with a 2 point pricing plan, they're appealing to the early/late majority that you've described, NOT the early innovator/adaptor. Those hardcore innovator/adaptors don't need to be enticed with a gimped system.

so basically the people you are listing as saying "we will wait untill price drops" are the early majority and late majority which is obviously what they are going to be saying and since they make up a very large percentage of the consumers this is what you are primarily going to be hearing...

but there will always be the early innovator and early adaptor who are going to be paying whatever amount when it is release so you dont have to worry about sony being in trouble..

And this is chock full of logical fallacies. You disprove yourself with your marketshare splits and for some reason your conclusion is that the small hardcore audience will ensure PS3 success in the long run even though YOU SAID that it's a very small percentage of gamers out there.


pluse they have created rediculous branding, which microsoft has yet to do and nintendo is just hella weird. Basically you are making too much out of this...

im outi

Roberth

Branding doesn't mean shit when the majority of your fanbase consists of casuals that will dump your ass for a perfectly viable platform that can play Madden and GTA at a much lower pricepoint (ala 360). I'd say Nintendo has a much larger hardcore fanbase percentage than Sony.

Finish Econ101 and pass before coming at me with this weak ass shit

[Naslectronical]

It most certainly does mean something.

Want proof? Look at the Ipod. Until recently, it was about $100 more expensive than its counterparts, but it stayed on top despite the fact that companies like Archos and Iriver offered equally-impressive and sometimes better mp3 players.

What's kept the Ipod on top is brand marketing. When people think "MP3 player", they think "IPOD", just as when people think video games, they think "Playstation".

[QUOTE]
I'd say Nintendo has a much larger hardcore fanbase percentage than Sony.


Nintendo's hardcore fanbase is largely made up of those who remember the NES/SNES era when Nintendo was on top. Console gaming wasn't as big as it is now, and the SNES did not have the dominance of the PS1 and PS2 as the Sega Genesis was still a powerful competitor. Sony on the other hand has completely dominated the last two generations.

Sony will also have a far easier time tapping its fanbase because it can simply make its console backwards compatible, which its alread done. Nintendo can't make all its old games playable because of licensing issues and the fact that they used such unusual media.

Forget Econ101. Perhaps you should finish common sense 101 before predicting Son'y downfall based on one poll.

[ESCPlan (redux)]

It most certainly does mean something.

Want proof? Look at the Ipod. Until recently, it was about $100 more expensive than its counterparts, but it stayed on top despite the fact that companies like Archos and Iriver offered equally-impressive and sometimes better mp3 players.

What's kept the Ipod on top is brand marketing. When people think "MP3 player", they think "IPOD", just as when people think video games, they think "Playstation".

Hey look! Someone's making an analogy with a completely unrelated industry!

I'd argue the fact that iPod has been market leader since its inception, whereas the videogame industry has had multiple coops but I don't want to rely on weak analogies (the poor man's logic) to prove anything.


Nintendo's hardcore fanbase is largely made up of those who remember the NES/SNES era when Nintendo was on top. Console gaming wasn't as big as it is now, and the SNES did not have the dominance of the PS1 and PS2 as the Sega Genesis was still a powerful competitor.

What's the average age of a gamer again?
Sony on the other hand has completely dominated the last two generations.

Let's let the past dictate the present shall we? That's some real forward thinking right there.

Sony will also have a far easier time tapping its fanbase because it can simply make its console backwards compatible, which its alread done. Nintendo can't make all its old games playable because of licensing issues and the fact that they used such unusual media.
Let's see...PS1 and PS2 emulation through SOFTWARE. If you believe this PR hype that over 15,000 titles are actually going to be fully compatible (with 1080p support) at launch then I wonder if anyone told you about the latest batch of feature cuts from the PS3. Look on the bright side, you'll be enjoying 120 FPS 4-D gaming glory

Forget Econ101. Perhaps you should finish common sense 101 before predicting Son'y downfall based on one poll.
Maybe you should stop being an intergalactic faggot

[Doctor Phibes]

SNIPZZZZ


Yeah... Startrek is dead man. MOVE ON!

[Doctor Who]

You're a misinformed idiot if this is what you think is going to happen. The reason why blu-ray and HD-DVD formats have more space is because encoding video to high definition takes up a shitload of space. You're still going to get the same amount of content on a single blu-ray or HD-DVD.

The miracle all-in-one TV seasons are a pipedream, unless of course the movie companies downgrade all of the content to 480p to make it fit. Not likely.

And those 4 layer blu-rays can only hold up to 100 GB. 8 layer blu-rays can hold up to 200 GB. Both of these technologies are still being researched and thus are a long ways out from the consumer

I do so enjoy the fact that I, who was actually trying to be civil and bearing no ill will toward anyone, was called an idiot for a point that I thought was possible. Also I love how my other point wasn't addressed.

Also this is from blu-ray.com:

How much video can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?

Over 9 hours of high-definition (HD) video on a 50GB disc.
About 23 hours of standard-definition (SD) video on a 50GB disc.

Not so misiniformed, huh?
Also, when is May 23 so far off for the consumer?

[ESCPlan (redux)]

How much video can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?

Over 9 hours of high-definition (HD) video on a 50GB disc.
About 23 hours of standard-definition (SD) video on a 50GB disc.

Not so misiniformed, huh?
Also, when is May 23 so far off for the consumer?

Using MPEG-2 encoding it's about 9 GB/hour uncompressed. You can lower this rate when using VBR or gimping 5.1+ audio channel support (which would be fucking stupid). Realistically with compression technology that's not even there yet, we're looking at 10 GB/hour for HD MPEG-2.

You're fucking insane if you think this will be enough for your all-in-one wonder disc. Not to mention studios won't release these discs since they'll make more money off staggered, multiple disc releases than one insanely priced solution.

But please believe the blu-ray consortium by all means. It's not like they're having compression issues and pushing back release dates.

Don't worry, one of these days you'll be able to get all of the Queer Eye for a Straight Guy episodes on one magical disc you magical homo

[InfiniDragon615]

Damn ESC, stop beasting. :rofl:

On the subject of PS3, Sony can get the eff out with that Blu-Ray stuff. Just cause I won't give them a grand for a Blu-Ray player doesn't mean I'll drop $600. And that's ultimately what this is about, Sony selling Blu-Ray through it's biggest cash cow. Unfortunately for them, it seems to be backfiring at the moment.

[MeelJ]

*Sigh*...alot of you fanboys need to put your colored shirts, hats, and your fanboy juice boxes away. After reading alot of the hate or whatever, this shit is getting old...let's be honest now...look at the past, what has made the system...is it ths system itself? No, anybody should know by now that games make the system, and when I see Sony's lineup of games....Tekken6, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII...this says alot as to why I will buy a PS3, and as to why alot of other people will be licking on Sony's new popsicle when it comes out.


I tell you this...if Wii magically got FFXIII, Tekken6, MGS4 exclusively or MS for that matter, I would buy their system instead...this shows that games play a far more important role than the damn system, you guys all need to quit whining with the hate, six months down the road, we'll see who eats who's own foot.

This is basically what I was talking about in my post. Guys like this think "Games make the system". But he basically means any popular game that comes out. Sure all of those games are great. But their has been and always will be substitute for games like those. If games make the system, what happened to the Sega Dreamcast? Every system has it's "IT" games. They all have good games in general.

I love Metal Gear Solid and I've played 1,2 and 3. I would love to play 4, but there is no way I'm going to spend $600 dollars in order to play that game.

[Doctor Who]

Using MPEG-2 encoding it's about 9 GB/hour uncompressed. You can lower this rate when using VBR or gimping 5.1+ audio channel support (which would be fucking stupid). Realistically with compression technology that's not even there yet, we're looking at 10 GB/hour for HD MPEG-2.

You're fucking insane if you think this will be enough for your all-in-one wonder disc. Not to mention studios won't release these discs since they'll make more money off staggered, multiple disc releases than one insanely priced solution.

But please believe the blu-ray consortium by all means. It's not like they're having compression issues and pushing back release dates.

Don't worry, one of these days you'll be able to get all of the Queer Eye for a Straight Guy episodes on one magical disc you magical homo

Hey, there is no need to call everyone who disagrees with you gay. I mean where is the maturity and intelligence in that? Also, I did not draw the conclusion of the all-in-one disc from the blu-ray consortium. I do have a brain that draws conclusions using LOGIC. What makes you think that budget companies won't release massive amounts of public domain crap on one disc? Oh, and wouldn't companies actually SAVE money if they released all in one discs? I mean the production cost will be next to nothing.

But still, what's the point in arguing with someone who handles debates like a kindergartener.

[Naslectronical]

Hey look! Someone's making an analogy with a completely unrelated industry!

Look! Someone's using a single, unscientific poll to predict a company's downfall!


I'd argue the fact that iPod has been market leader since its inception, whereas the videogame industry has had multiple coops but I don't want to rely on weak analogies (the poor man's logic) to prove anything.

The Playstation has been a market leader since its inception as well.


What's the average age of a gamer again?


I don't know, why don't you refer to one of those polls?


Let's let the past dictate the present shall we? That's some real forward thinking right there.

What happens in the past is often indicative of what will happen in the future.


Let's see...PS1 and PS2 emulation through SOFTWARE. If you believe this PR hype that over 15,000 titles are actually going to be fully compatible (with 1080p support) at launch then I wonder if anyone told you about the latest batch of feature cuts from the PS3. Look on the bright side, you'll be enjoying 120 FPS 4-D gaming glory

Even if every game isn't compatible, that's still thousands of titles.


Maybe you should stop being an intergalactic faggot

Man, that was just brutal. How'd you come up with that :rolleyes:

Seriously, shut the fuck up. You're making predictions based on one fucking poll and nothing else.. Anybody can conduct a poll and get the results to come out the way that they want.

This plus your obvious hatred of Sony pretty much shits on anything you say.

But I'm sure you'll debunk everything I've said in your next post by calling me a pee-pee head or something just as witty.

[Doctor Phibes]

blah blah blah blah.

Shut up...

You have a flash coming... TONIGHT!!!!

[Ceramiclion]

Ummm okay. Lets see what we got here ....
Yet another flame war, over video game consoles... OVER FREAKING TOYS!!!
Geesh, people video game companies are not your friends they didn't protect you at school or teach you to become a man. If anything they ruined you by turning you into a basement dwelling freak and a complete asshole (yes ESCPlan I am looking straight at you). I think we can all voice our opinions in a mature manner. I looked at the post HeaT wrote and I agree with him pretty much all the way. Some stupid poll doesn't really do much to change the fate of any of the systems that are coming out in the end only the games decide how well they do.
For once I think Sony's best idea was to add blu-ray to the PS3, it basically makes the PS3 be a whole step in front of the competition as far the system being next gen. The PS3 will have better graphics, more speed, more space and more extras than the PS2. In my opinion PS3 is the real next gen system.

[Doctor Phibes]

BEHOLD!!!!

Naslectronical's everyday life!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/312649

[Ceramiclion]

BEHOLD!!!!

Naslectronical's everyday life!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/312649



WTF? This is not funny man...

[Doctor Phibes]

WTF? This is not funny man...

Shutup faggot that shit is GOLDEN!

YOU LOVED IT!!!!

[ParryAll]

WTF? This is not funny man...

I agree, that shit was pretty gay.

Maybe cause I'm not a nerd I don't get it? :confused:

[Doctor Phibes]

I agree, that shit was pretty gay.

Maybe cause I'm not a nerd I don't get it? :confused:

But you are a nerd! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[ESCPlan (redux)]

BEHOLD!!!!

Naslectronical's everyday life!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/312649

hahahaha he had a tweakin ass load coming from a tweakin ass package lol

[Dr.Cube]

This thread is losing me. First it was PS3 stuff, now someone is an intergalactic faggot and someone has an ass package and someone might be a nerd. 'The hell?


Anyway, Sony and the PS3 will do just fine. Since, you know, they always do.

[Onslaught2000]

Shit, as long as I am eventually playing MGS4, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Super Smash Brawl, and Super Mario Galaxies, I don't give a stinking rat's ass who does better.

Enjoy your crying about how the PS3 is 600 dollars and Wii is nothing more than a motion controller, I'll be enjoying the games!

[Doctor Phibes]

Shit, as long as I am eventually playing MGS4, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Super Smash Brawl, and Super Mario Galaxies, I don't give a stinking rat's ass who does better.

Enjoy your crying about how the PS3 is 600 dollars and Wii is nothing more than a motion controller, I'll be enjoying the games!

***

[hyphy]

all the poll says is that what conference had the greatest impact to u . thats all it says nothen bout what system there going to buy or if the impact was good or bad.

[Taito]

The PS2 wasn't 599, launched first, and didn't weigh 5 kg.
I'll give you 1 out of 3, but I'm not counting on the price and the size/weight to be a deciding factor when Sony has the top-selling 3rd party franchises exclusively in their camp.

The size/weight thing is especially ridiculous.. I remember Sega fans believing a wives' tale about white consoles always succeeding and black consoles failing, which meant a win for Dreamcast and a loss for PS2.. ..and I'll let you finish that sentence. The whole 'Japanese don't like big appliances' argument is nonsense and should not be taken seriously.

[Okazaki III]

These discussions are useless. Just buy the console you like the most. If you can't afford it, then try to do something about it.

The last Nintendo system I played was the snes, and I'd love to see them making a comeback now. The fun needs to get back into gaming. In the old days the developers had only little in terms of graphics, memory and processing power, so making a game that would stand out needed a lot of creativity and originality. Nowadays you don't see that. I willdefinately check out the Wii, just to see what Nintendo comes out with.

[Naslectronical]

I'll give you 1 out of 3, but I'm not counting on the price and the size/weight to be a deciding factor when Sony has the top-selling 3rd party franchises exclusively in their camp.

The size/weight thing is especially ridiculous.. I remember Sega fans believing a wives' tale about white consoles always succeeding and black consoles failing, which meant a win for Dreamcast and a loss for PS2.. ..and I'll let you finish that sentence. The whole 'Japanese don't like big appliances' argument is nonsense and should not be taken seriously.

Exactly.

It's the games that sell the console, not the price.

As for the thread starter, I'm just going to assume that momma didn't love him and leave it at that since he's acting like a first grader and calling people fags over a video game console and some poll. I guess everyone needs an outlet.

[Saiyajin11]

This thread is stupid.



If PS3 didn't cost 600 dollars everyone would be still talking about how cracked out MGS 4 looked.





MGS4 alone will most likely double the sales of the PS3 :amazed:

[vansaykeo]

The price of $600 for the PS3 is not a big deal if you look at the size of the PS3 and what come with it. Just look at this pic and you understand why it cost $600.

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/7301076986564054.JPG?0.3835107022574747

[Ceramiclion]

Looks like an infant's tomb ha ha.
I heard that PS3 was done that size so that espectators could see how the PS3 looks like. The offical one is smaller than that. If you look at the disc drive you can tell is way too big to be real. You can fit laser discs on that one.


The price of $600 for the PS3 is not a big deal if you look at the size of the PS3 and what come with it. Just look at this pic and you understand why it cost $600.

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/7301076986564054.JPG?0.3835107022574747

[snakedizzle209]

I'll try my best to sum it up.

Sony's gonna get your money eventually anyways. Whether it's 600$ now or 300$ later. There gonna sell out for a VERY long time and there gonna sell just as much when the people who are waiting finally get their price drop. If you cant appriciate MGS4, FF13, DMC4 etc. then you were never in the picture to begin with.

In case you havent noticed failure has been in the game industry since day one. Even if Sony somehow has their first failure. that doesnt mean we wont see a PS4. Nintendo has Failed plenty of times before, but they are still coming with good shit. Like microsoft, Sony has money to make a few mistakes. Thats just if they fail in the first place.

Shit, as long as I am eventually playing MGS4, Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5, Super Smash Brawl, and Super Mario Galaxies, I don't give a stinking rat's ass who does better.

Enjoy your crying about how the PS3 is 600 dollars and Wii is nothing more than a motion controller, I'll be enjoying the games!

You win the thread.

[ViciousSLASH]

MGS4 alone will most likely double the sales of the PS3 :amazed:

As will FF13. FF13 will sell like 1 million PS3's alone, easily, in Japan. SquareEnix owns Japan for free. Add Virtua Fighter 5 in there too ? Get the fuck outta here. Japs are gonna freak out.

Man it's like Sony just upped the price of crack. Sure the crackheads may get mad, but they will eventually suck enough dick to buy one to satisfy their unnatural urges.

FF13 and MGS 4 kicked the shit out of every other game at E3, except for Smash Brothers Brawl.

Brawl will be the pwnage.

[apokalipze2]

The price of $600 for the PS3 is not a big deal if you look at the size of the PS3 and what come with it. Just look at this pic and you understand why it cost $600.

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/7301076986564054.JPG?0.3835107022574747
Pretty funny picture:rofl:

[platinum_pinoy]

New poll:
http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150896

Famitsu Post E3 Poll Reveals Interests Lie In Sony, FFXIII
Where's the Wii?
by Dan Dormer, 05/15/2006


The latest Famitsu has a top ten list of what Japanese gamers were interested in during the week of E3, and what they want to know about might surprise you.

Japanese gamers were most interested in:

Impressions of the PS3 controller

Final Fantasy XIII information

PS3 price and release date

Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Snake playable announcment

PS3 menu & interface

PS3 online service

PS3 game pics

Polymorphic content surrounding FFXIII

Dragon Quest Swords

Square-Enix game pics


To break it down, that's 6 PS3 related topics, 2 Wii, and 4 for Square-Enix. What's up, Japan, no love for the Wii? We already knew there was no love for the Xbox 360. Seriously though, this can be taken one of two ways. 1) Generally increased interest in the PS3 or 2) Shock regarding some of the changes and announcements surrounding the PS3 spurring an increase in interest by the Japanese gaming public.

Looks like Japan is still interested in the PS3. I guess we'll have to see what changes after they get their hands on all console hardware at the Tokyo Game Show.

[abacabb]

Man it's like Sony just upped the price of crack. Sure the crackheads may get mad, but they will eventually suck enough dick to buy one to satisfy their unnatural urges.

You win.