UDON why is RS in black and white?

[hellhound]

I found the rival schools issue #1 in my comic store and was very surprised that it was in black and white.

Was there any reason behind this?

Thank you in advance for your response.

[Hokage Izlude]

Maybe they are going for something more manga style? Or perhaps they are just too cheap to color it.

[Hokuto no Jeffro]

Or perhaps they are just too cheap to color it.
Bingo!

[Ryu Kazama]

Too cheap to colour is my thought as well. That, and if they did colour it it'd mean another delay, and they already know they're bad at releasing things on schedule as it is.

[thedude.com]

>__> sin city style ...on a high school adventure ???

[The V]

When the book was first announced, it was decided that it would be black and white. Rey's previous titles Sharknife and Peng were also black and white, which may have influenced the decision.

[Skyler]

Udon's color printing machine broke down, thats why we have black and white rival school issue.

[LostPhrack]

When the book was first announced, it was decided that it would be black and white. Rey's previous titles Sharknife and Peng were also black and white, which may have influenced the decision.Pretty much. It was announced that it was going to be B&W back in, what? November? October?

The original reason given, I think, was to keep the price down while making it double sized.

[rey]

lostphrak- you are correct.

RS was facing some budget issues, so I proposed the idea of making it B&W to cut costs, and since we didn't have elaborate colors to worry about, we could go ahead and make it double-sized. more room for fighting!!! and yes, i'm used to working in the format.

it's not a question of udon being "cheap", because they really are not. of all the comic publishers i've worked with, udon is definitely the most elaborate, and willing to spend money where it needs to be spent. for RS though, it just wasn't practical.

some of (if not all) the best comics of our time are in black and white. berserk, death note, naruto, sin city, dragon ball z, etc. the best comics worldwide are in black and white-- color in comics as a commodity is something unique only to America. colors are really a "treat", not something that need to be in EVERY comic. although i greatly like colored comics (and want to do some of my own someday), i'd rather have 40 bulky balls-out pages rather than a few pretty colored ones. just my opinion tho.

[udoneko]

Rey pretty much sums it up.

What surprised me A LOT is that we have gone through this when RS was first announced. Why is it BW, why is it not colored. Some of you said you will never buy a BW book. Those are all that we have gone thru.

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....

[CHAiNwhore]

There's nothing wrong with black and white comics, people. It's a classic art form, and way cheaper to print.

Also, just because a book is black and white does not make it "sin city style."

[thedude.com]

There's nothing wrong with black and white comics, people. It's a classic art form, and way cheaper to print.

Also, just because a book is black and white does not make it "sin city style."

looks like your sarcasm meter is not working >__>

[CHAiNwhore]

Hey man, we all know sarcasm doesn't work too well with text. I wasnt upset or anything; just sayin' though, there are a lot good black and white comics out there other than Sin City. :wgrin:

[eggy]

The Ryu Final, SF Zero and Sakura Ganbare series are all examples that SF doesn't need to be in colour. They are excellent works, and I'd love to have translations of these to go along with the original raw manga I have.

[T-hawk]

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
im cool with black and white and i cant wait to read ryu's final and sf zer manga dont stop man keep fighting ;)
by the way when is the next sf coming

[Sano]

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....

No. There's nothing wrong with black and white IMHO as long as it's done right. As I said before there's plenty of what is dubbed "Ameri-Manga" that does this horribly. Everything is white, no variation in line weight, no grays, no blacks, so much so that even comic strips look better. And how some of these people who shall go unnamed even dare to put out a "how to ink manga" book is beyond me when if you look at manga it is inked a bajillion times better than those books. In Japan they may not play around with the line weight as much as the West does (though that is creeping up more and more into manga, and suprisingly anime too) but it's faaar better than B&W Ameri-manga. Some of the usual Ameri-manga suspects are in color now, well they really need color, just because their version of B&W blows.

This thankfully isn't the case with Rival Schools which was one of my initial worries. Black and white is fine so long as it's done right, like Rival Schools is being done.

I strongly recomend everyone look into both of the Batman black and white trade paper backs for some of the best Batman mini stories ever. Kia Asamiya's Batman manga is excellent too.

OT: Whatever happened to the SF Kia Asamiya Chun-Li cover and SF back up story? I know he was sick before and later had catching up to do when he got better, but will this ever happen?

Back on topic - Lots of people have been waiting for SF mangas to come out in English, especially Ryu Final for years, we don't even have a scanlation of it. You shouldn't punish all of us just for a few nay sayers. I would think idealy that you should see how the Onimusha manga is recieved first and go along with that, or even see how well RS sells, but I'm not running a business or anything so what do I know...

Lots of luck in whatever you decide and I will continue to support you as best I can. :tup:

[vasili10]

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....

Keep pursuing however you can please. B&W grumblers don't know what they're missing, especially if they've never seen at least Nakahira-sensei's work. I can't believe this, but even doujins were made off of his own manga episodes because they're so well liked.

[aerialgroove]

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....
Man I love the BW Street Fighter mangas and have lot's of them but I wouldn't ever buy a Rival Schools comic no matter how colored it is. I think you shouldn't underestimate the fact that SF fans outnumber RS fans. Almost anybody has played SF once but Rival Schools isn't that famous. I have a RS artbook but never played any of them.

[CptMunta]

RYU FINAL In English?!?!

I'd have a joygasum if I could pick this title up! I think you guys are doing a fantastic job with the Capcom titles. Don't let a few bad posts from picky fans spoil it for you guys.

And Udon, Cheap? I don't think so...

I think people should get over the fact that it's in black and white and just celebrate that there is even a Rival Schools comic! Can you think of any other comic company that would have so much dedication to it's fans that it'd release a comic book based on two games that were hardly played by anyone.

[yikhai]

I was surprised to see the number of people who think UDON are cheap because of a BW Rival Schools. If they were, they probably wouldn't pursued the license for it to start of with.

In fact, out of all other comic book companies, I'd say that UDON are the complete opposite of cheap. They're fans trying to cater for fans and that's whats important to remember. Sure it was weird that RS was first solicited as BW but its understandable considering the difference in popularity between it and Street Fighter. UDON really wanted to get this comic out and the only way to do that to economically support themselves while providing to die-hard fans was to go down the BW route.

Its a tough business with most of the market being dominated by DC and Marvel, UDON are doing the best they can and more by communicating with us directly on a regular basis.

I definately enjoyed reading RS #1. Sure it had some faults IMO (the half shadowed spread of Kyosuke looked a little strange to me) but I enjoyed the grey shading of the art so kudos to rey (and keep at it :) ).

I'm a big fan of Japanese manga from Bleach to Death Note to Eyeshield 21 and I would definately buy at least RYU FINAL and other SF manga titles to add to my bookshelf.

[Matarick]

I just wonder if somebody is willing to license the Udon stuff in Japan and how would it be received in the Japanese manga/comic fandom over there?

I was glad I was able to pick up both covers and plan to give them to my girlfriend for her birthday ;)

She is a huge Rival Schools fan BTW.

[Time_Stop]

Seeing how you guys are so against BW books, I guess I should stop pursuing the rights to reprint other SF comics from Japan.....

Grow up. This is a typical bs kiddie attitude, and it's not the first time you guys have acted like that.

The sad part is that some fanboys are so blind that they will actually fall for this kind of crap (as the replies clearly show). I bet this attitude worked with some kids when you were in pre-school... warning them you would "take your toys away"... :rolleyes:

All you're doing is creating a community filled with nothing but mindless drones afraid to criticize anything you ever do.

I hope you're proud.

Now please, you kids can all bash me and neg rep me all you want. Whatever makes you feel better, whatever floats your boat.

[Matarick]

Grow up. This is a typical bs kiddie attitude, and it's not the first time you guys have acted like that.



I think Mr. Ko was only being sarcastic about the whole black and white bit. At first, even though I forgot the news far in advance, the comics are in black and white; it is still better drawn and presented than most black and white comics I've seen in the Western Hemisphere.

Udon, if it is true, please please translate the SF mangas before the evil Tokyopop does and please present it in the origional publication format of the serials and not making it into 'tokyopop book size' unless that's how it was origionally published in Japan.

Gambate ne Udon!

[bill_rizer]

LOL thats why Time_Stop is my hero next to zulu he never holds back always speaks the truth on what he thinks.

I have to say udoneko that comment was childish and really when you sit down and think about it you knew that yourself, however the people moaning about BW comics are also childish, but if everyone is acting that way it gets us no where.

You SF fanboys are lucky anyway, im a KOF fan you know how much I would love to see a proper well done KOF comic like SF by udon, instead KOF/SNK gets no love yet you moan about RS being in BW, thats Ungrateful, how about you get none at all, now that would really suck.

[rey]

I would love to do a KOF comic... or Samurai Shodown. Or Capcom vs SNK.

[Apathy-Inc]

It was sarcasm you idiots.

Also: Maybe if some of you stopped acting like preschoolers you wouldn't get treated like one?

[Skyler]

Grow up. This is a typical bs kiddie attitude, and it's not the first time you guys have acted like that.

The sad part is that some fanboys are so blind that they will actually fall for this kind of crap (as the replies clearly show). I bet this attitude worked with some kids when you were in pre-school... warning them you would "take your toys away"... :rolleyes:

All you're doing is creating a community filled with nothing but mindless drones afraid to criticize anything you ever do.

I hope you're proud.

Now please, you kids can all bash me and neg rep me all you want. Whatever makes you feel better, whatever floats your boat.


No matter how kiddish we gotten, we still want to know why RS #1 came out in black and white. It did tick me off that the issue was in black and white, but not as much as saying i was going to kick some ass if the next issue isnt in color.

What tick me off the most about RS #1 is how horrible the characters were introduce. If they keep getting introduce in a horrible way, then forget it, they might as well just do a royal rumble battle and introduce every RS cahracter at the same time. I can get used to the black and white color, but the story and character introduction is what impress me the most and tells me if i want to buy the next issue or not. :wonder:

[Ryu Kazama]

Yeah, I can think of a company that picked up the license......Dreamwave. So what if they went under for a while? They still picked it up.

[hellhound]

I would love to do a KOF comic... or Samurai Shodown. Or Capcom vs SNK.

A KOF comic would be great. I am recently buying the comic from japan that was translated to english for KOF 2003. They are at vol 3 right now.

Can you imagine all the characters that could appear at any time in the comic? That would just rule.

[bill_rizer]

^^
where are you getting that from?

[Hokage Izlude]

I think the KOF2k3 comics are Korean (Unless there are some other ones that were licensed in Japan), along with the SvC Chaos ones. They are in full color too, but are much smaller issues.

The SvC Chaos comic is insane, it shoves so many characters into each issue, and quickly "kills them off" or has the old DBZ would put it, sends them to another dimension. The 2k3 comic is looking good though, much more story to it compared to SvC Chaos.

[Sagatryu]

I saw the preview for Rival schools and I am just not interested in buy it.

edit: also Udon that comment was kind of childish

[eggy]

I think the KOF2k3 comics are Korean (Unless there are some other ones that were licensed in Japan), along with the SvC Chaos ones. They are in full color too, but are much smaller issues.

The SvC Chaos comic is insane, it shoves so many characters into each issue, and quickly "kills them off" or has the old DBZ would put it, sends them to another dimension. The 2k3 comic is looking good though, much more story to it compared to SvC Chaos.

I think the KOF2003 comic is from Hong Kong. It's okay. Still waiting for the actual tournament fighting.... it's a little snoreville at the moment.

SvC Chaos comic.... that one is kinda stupid. I'm collecting it anyway, but I just can't get into, and still I'm compelled to give the comic book store my money for it @_@;;;;.

And all the people saying that B/W is no good. Your opinions are also valid. The feedback here is a good indication of weather it is financially viable to translate and release the mangas they are trying to acquire. Some love it, while others detest it.

Then there is also the fact that we are use to "comics" being in colour and on the other side we expect manga to be black and white. So perhaps bringing over, for example, Ryu Final would go down really well with the SF community, because manga is expected to be in B/W.

Here is an idea for UDON to get more exposure to their manga venture if they choose to continue (which will lead to more exposure for their comic line). Publish through a well known manga publisher (example VIZ or Tokyopop etc). You'll get your product on more shelves and to a bigger market.

[Sano]

The only KOF comic translated in English I enjoyed was the KOF Maximum Impact comic, I liked this much more than KOF 2003 and SVC Chaos. The only bad thing about the KOF Maximum Impact comic was that it was only 8 issues long and we didn't get to see the outcome of every single fight during the tourney, everyone was shown but not everyone fought. But it was great seeing Terry and Alba team up to beat down Duke for the final battle.

It came to the stores very strangely here in the US, one week issues 1, 2, 3, and 4 (all standard comic book legnth) were available on the same day. Two weeks later issues 5, 6, 7 and 8 were out on the same day.

[Lucretz]

It's not so much the color issues that bother me, as much as the actual art quality, which seems to be terrible. That cover is just hideous, and the cover is supposed to be better looking than the pages. After seeing what the original designs supposeably looked like, I don't know how they turned into that. Honestly, Hinata's face looks fucking retarded.

[bill_rizer]

Im going to have to check that KOF MI comic out sounds good sano.

Hey everyone udoneko has done a runner I guess the SRK effect has got to him, I need to see what RS looks like because alot of you are saying it looks really bad, I guess thats what did it for him in the end, Im not sure him going is going to help because all the people moaning are just going to lose interest all togther now, that is only going to hurt sales in the long run, some how I dont see this working out so well, problay means the end of RS maybe SF might follow.

You see this is what happens when your ungrateful.

[Bass X0]

I would love to do a KOF comic... or Samurai Shodown. Or Capcom vs SNK.
I would love for you to do so.

[thedude.com]

CvS would be an eye opener IMO .

[bill_rizer]

Capcom v Snk sounds good on paper, but I can tell you right now you will be opening a can of worms when it comes to fans, what do I mean you say, well if terry gets beat up by ken or vega etc your going to have terry fans in an uproar saying no way should terry lose to them.

Me I wouldnt really mind as long as it wasnt Completely stupid say dan defeats ryo etc.

[Sano]

I would think first there would have to be an SNK comic, KOF mainly before there's a Capcom vs. SNK comic. That way we could judge the character's strengths and weaknesses in those books and then decide who would win against who in the comic book world. In the SF comic character's strengths are just a bit different than they are really, Dhalsim is much stronger and so is Vega(cape) after he's reawakened, it might be like that with KOF too.

The best comic for Capcom vs. SNK would be if you take SVC Match of the Millenium on the Neo Geo Pocket, un super deform everybody and go with that since it had more of a story than the rest of the vs. games. Or you can go with 'amalgam' and have any character that has ever appeared in one of the CVS/SVC crossovers and run with that. Just my 2 cents.

[bill_rizer]

yes I would rather see a KOF comic before hand sano, ha I thought about doing a short cvs2 comic for my friends because they always say I should do one, I suck at drawing but I thought hey if you want something so bad do it yourself lol, I would do a KOF one but that story is so big it would take forever.

perhaps a short KOF comic like how they did "Another Day" could work.

[thedude.com]

Capcom v Snk sounds good on paper, but I can tell you right now you will be opening a can of worms when it comes to fans, what do I mean you say, well if terry gets beat up by ken or vega etc your going to have terry fans in an uproar saying no way should terry lose to them.

Me I wouldnt really mind as long as it wasnt Completely stupid say dan defeats ryo etc.


>__>;;; hmm , well terry gets defeated by ken is ok , whatever . as long it can present it well like how ken made it to defeat terry , what made terry got KOed ? terry did a mistake ? ken got a small opportunity ? just things like i'm ok with that .

dan defeats ryo , HAHAHAA ~ i would like to expect this ...

ryo : " no no !! i was fucking distracted , YURI !! YOU BITCH !!! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEEEEEE~ "

[Sano]

I've always wanted to write a Capcom vs. SNK 2 fan fiction, but quite honestly I'm too much of a Capcom fanboy and just know a lot more about Capcom and SF than I do about SNK, so I think it's better suited to someone who knows a lot about both worlds and can be partial to both sides. I think I'm more suited (or ill suited, depending on weither you like my terrible fan fic writing abilities or not lol!) to continue writing my Marvel vs. Capcom fan fics. I know a lot about Marvel plus they've been releasing like Encyclopedias every year, it's easy to do research on it compiled with whatever I've read. I finished my X-Men vs. SF fic, in August I'll start MSH vs. SF. I want to go all the way up to MVC2 and I really want to have every single character in MVC2 fight, just go nuts. This entire process will prolly take 4 or more years though, ack...

But I've always pictured the final battle of Capcom vs. SNK 2 to go down like this:

The final match is Kyo, Terry and Mai vs. Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li. First up is Chun-Li vs. Mai. Chun-Li wins. Then it's Terry vs. Chun-Li, Terry wins. Then it's Ken vs. Terry, Terry wins. Finally it's Terry vs. Ryu, Ryu wins. The final battle is Ryu vs. Kyo. There fight is very long and eventually their super arts destroy the entire stage, both are knocked out!

So it is up to the judges to decide who won the tourney, Kyo's team or Ryu's team. Just before they announce who won, God Rugal awakens causing the Earth Quake caused in the game, the Earth opens up and swallows all of the judges, lol! Eventually Ryu and Kyo team up and defeat God Rugal, Shin Gouki is reborn in God Rugal's body, the forces that abduct Shin Gouki in his ending still abduct him. The Million dollar prize is used to repair the city, the winner is never really declared. Course SF fans argue that SF won, and KOF fans argue that KOF won, just like in real life ha ha!

Well that's how I'd do it... I guess I wouldn't please Ken fanboys but he'd be undefeated in the tourney until he fought Terry at least, sorry, I'm a big Terry fan... :sweat:

But yeah, definitly just wanna stay with the Marvel/Capcom stuff for now. :smile:

There was a couple of great Capcom vs. SNK and KOF vs. SF fanfics written by the same person, I think his name was Southtown or something like that. Too bad he never finished either.... they weren't based on any of the versus games, the CVS one seemed to be based more on the FF and SFZ animes.

The SVC Chaos comic has it's rough spots but at least they tried to use SF's actual story. Unlike most of the HK SF Comics where Ryu and Chun-Li are married, Chun-Li is Vega's(cape) daughter, Ken is an alien, 80% of the SF2 cast is murdered and so on... Ryu gets his ass kicked in the SVC comic, a lot, but at least he finishes up strong defeating Athena the Goddess and Athena before managed to beat up Shin Gouki. Masahiko Nakahira's story of Sakura defeating Kyo isn't much better, but it has pretty pictures. And the Capcom vs. SNK comic where Ryu defeats Ryo with a drop of water, um.... would be nice if we had a believable CVS/SVC story in comic book format...

[bill_rizer]

I like that idea sano, infact I like it so much Im going to rip it off lol, If I ever get round to doing somethimng like that.

Im with you on Terry I think he would beat ken, not by much but he could do it.
It is an agruement in SNK fanboy world if Terry, Ryo or Kyo are the true leaders, since KOF is the main story these days you would have to go with kyo which would put him on level with Ryu.

Now the question is if Ken is second best to Ryu would that mean Ryo would be able to defeat him? and is andy more of a match for ken, these are questions I ask myself when I really thought about doing something like that, its difficult and as I say hard to please everyone.

However like you say if ken has been bustin heads up to the final, him losing could be justified.

All this talk makes me want to do something again cvs2 has so many characters you would have a hard time fiting them all in.

The cvs2 HK comic is nuts BTW, I dont want none of that crap.

[Gojira]

I had a crazy idea a while ago about how a SNKvsCap comic should go, based on the idea of pleasing all the fans instead of just making a more official opinion on who would win.

Basically I'd have had two different versions of the same issue, say if there's a Terry vs. Ken fight, Terry wins in one version and Ken wins in the other. They'd have the same general story, just the outcome of the fight would be different. Actually it's probably not unlike a game, LOL

Of course it also raises issues of continuity, predictability, and printing expense, but like I said it was a crazy idea. I'd like to see someone try it once though, someday.

[Rick Fn Stalvey]

I thought it was cool that RS was in BW. I agree the char intros were a little....meh, but I read alot of manga and actually prefer BW over the colored books. SF in color is a nice treat, but manga plays more to "theatre of the mind" IMHO. Before Gara was introduced in Naruto the Anime I had no idea he had red hair and a red Kanji, I pictured him completely different in terms of color scheme. Maybe its just me, but I think BW is better.

Oh and to Time_Stop, I feel you what you said about Udon and all, but wont only those dumb enough to fall for such statements be scared into silence. In the end Udon will do what is profitable, they are fans yes but not to the point of loosing money over it. But I see your point man, scare tactics are lame.


I doubt Udon takes any negitive post here to heart, I mean they are all adults I assume. I know Im not afraid to post anything up that I didnt like about the series, and I hope no one else is either.

[thedude.com]

MVC2 comic FTW ...

[WebScud]

I just thought I'd throw my two cents in since I finally got the book today.

I enjoyed it. What I did not enjoy was paying $4.95 for a black and white book. I honestly have no problem with black and white books, but I should get a lot of pages for that money. $7.95 would get me any given volume of manga, which is what, the length of four normal books (plus translation work) typically?

I really felt cheated twice. I got to my car and looked at the cover price and was suprised that it wasn't $3.95. But it felt big and I figured the extra dollar would be worth it. When I got home and saw the colorless pages my heart sunk a little more.

Like I said before. Black and white art versus colored art makes no difference to me. I just want the price to reflect that.

...Maybe the beautiful 1B colors as well as the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers books spoiled me. :-P They had some nice coloring.

[Bass X0]

I'm okay with it being black and white. I only had a problem with some of the rushed 'artwork'. Unfinished faces and solid black heads are among the main problem I have.

Whatever style they were trying to achieve, they failed.