Garou Densetsu Battle Archives 1

[Crayfish]

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-40-49-en-70-1byl.html

Features Fatal Fury Special, which imho is (after ST and HyperFighting) the next best oldschool fighter ever made.



Crayfish. (http://www.wingkong.net/video/reflexes-high.avi)

[Kyoujin]

Excellent news; the complete SNK fighting library is very close to being available on PS2

[Dark Geese]

Yes...very true..so people will be able to play it though they may not be up to peoples standards..oh well..

I will certainly be playing them hardcore some more.. (on NG and Ps2)

FF Special is freaking great I agree!!


Crayfish please come sign up at Guardcrush.net and please come contribute your old school FF knowledge...http://www.guardcrush.net/forums/showthread.php?t=239

[Nocturnal]

I'll have to check this out, even though I haven't played FF Special in a long while but the game is pretty interesting.

[N88888888]

I'm still waiting for a real bout collection. Actually just an RB2 port would be fine. Any news on one???

[Crayfish]

I'm still waiting for a real bout collection. Actually just an RB2 port would be fine. Any news on one???
As this is titled Garou Densetsu Battle Archives '1', I imagine there will be a 2nd or 3rd Achive featuring the RB games..


Crayfish. (http://www.wingkong.net/video/reflexes-high.avi)

[bill_rizer]

this is great news this year feels like retro year with old games comming every month ie sf alpha collection, but yea fatal fury games are classics next to SF2.

[Nocturnal]

RB2 is nice indeed :lovin:

[Dark Geese]

Yes I agree..Geese rapes for free in that game..but so does Krauser..man I wish Geese was the true RB2 Geese in NGBC..not the watered down fake RB2 Geese...720's for Holy Gates WTF??:annoy:

[FSgamer]

A Fatal Fury collection? Man, that's great news!!! This collection plus Art of Fighting collection will definitely bring back some good old memories.

BTW, I've heard rumors that SNK might release a RBFF collection as well as a special edition of KOF'98 (something like KOF'94 Rebout). Does anyone know anything about this?

[bill_rizer]

yes a kof 98 rebout is happening, problay wont see it till the end of the year though.

the kof nest collection still has to come out also.

[Dark Geese]

98 Rebout yes...confirmed..and the RB collection will be the second edition of the FF series...

There is also a 2k2 Rebout coming..but for me I dont get it whats gonna be the major difference between 2k2 Rebout and Neo Wave? (Yes theres differences but why play BOTH????)

That's what I am gonna question..sure I'll have it just cause Im a NG freak..but something to ponder..

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

I've been noticing they've been putting out all the old games back on the PS2, that is very very good.

Is there a list somewhere of ALL the SNK fighters out for the PS2? I'm interested to see it.

[Dark Geese]

I could probably get one for you...but it would take a while...

[FSgamer]

There is also a 2k2 Rebout coming..but for me I dont get it whats gonna be the major difference between 2k2 Rebout and Neo Wave? (Yes theres differences but why play BOTH????)
2k2 Rebout? I haven't heard anything about that but I've seen a collection called KOF Nests at Play-Asia. It contains KOF 99/00/01/02.

[Hokage Izlude]

They should include Dominated Mind in the 2nd Battle Archives, I'd totally import it for that. Alfred is awesome, but White...ew, what a weirdo.

[FSgamer]

Is there a list somewhere of ALL the SNK fighters out for the PS2? I'm interested to see it.
The ones I can remember from the top of my head:

Out now:

KOF'00
KOF'01
KOF'02
KOF'03
KOFNW
KOFMI
KOFMI2
KOF Orochi Collection
KOF'94 Rebout
MOTW
LB Collection
SSV
SS Tenka
AOF Collection
NGBC

Coming out soon:

KOFXI
KOF Nests Collection
Garou DBA

There maybe others I'm forgetting about. Anybody feel free to fill them in.

[Dark Geese]

White is quite the weirdo I agree..and NMare Geese playable from the beginning..sold... Dominated Mind was made just for PSX so I doubt they'd put it in the collection..White was strange though with his One Hit kill gun shot at the end hahahaha.

2k2 Rebout is on the table as well...

[bill_rizer]

2k2 rebout lol thats just silly and really starting to push it, I like these old games comming out but you gota look at the fact kof2k and 2k1 are on the ps2 TWICE!!

nest collection and KOF2K/1 PACK

then you have the KOF 2K2/3 PACK

plus neowave that makes THREE different 2K2 on ps2, seriously thats milking something to death.

besides when XI comes thats it for me surely the best kof ever and its NEW lol.

give it 5 years and we get KOF XI rebout lol.

[Dark Geese]

Oh yeah you see what I been seeing time and time again...and what if I have al the kof games plus them on FBAXXX...Ive got plenty of KOfs for sure...lol.

Yeah and I guess the 2k/1 pack was KOF 2k1.5..with the new shiny graphics and the glitches super removed...so dont forget about that....which version will we get of 2k1 in the Nests? The new shiny version from the 2k/1 pack or the emu version that has all the ridiculous "one man show" combo video glitches you see like crazy...

Capcom is milking it by giving us ST and HSF2 AE within a short time within each other...so people wanna argue with 11 games SNK is milking KOF..well we all know how Capcom milks SF..lol.:rofl:

[Hokage Izlude]

White was strange though with his One Hit kill gun shot at the end hahahaha.

That annoyed me so much, the first time I saw it, it pissed me off because I didn't see it coming lol. I got my revenge though. :)

[Dark Geese]

That move gets everyone the first time...

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Thanks for the list of the games.

I'm totally nub to SNK fighters, but did I hear NeoWave = 02? Neowave is a redrawn 02 or something? Cause I thought it was a completely new game.

[Freak on Board]

Garou Densetsu Special/Fatal Fury Special was a great game.

It's one of the most popular game in 93.(in Japan and other Asian countries at least)

And the idea of dreammatch that Terry vs Young Ryo which was lead to KOF series, came from this game too.

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/edigi-game/407195/436110/716010/



About NESTS Collection, unlike Orochi collection which was AES emulation with AST, this collection contains of DC 99 + PS2 00-01.

And as always, if you live in Japan, you can play online through Multi-Matching BB service.

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/edigi-game/407195/707862/

[hellhound]

This is great. I remember playing fatal fury 2 special everyday after school.

I never got a chance to play FF3

By the way anyone noticed it says vol 5 on the bottom right hand corner? What were the other volumes before that? If anyone knows.

[Freak on Board]

This is great. I remember playing fatal fury 2 special everyday after school.

I never got a chance to play FF3

By the way anyone noticed it says vol 5 on the bottom right hand corner? What were the other volumes before that? If anyone knows.


About Neo Geo Online Collection, the other volumes are MOTW, LB1-2, KOF Orochi
and AOF 1-3.

http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/index.php

[hanz0]

Hey did Kizuna Encounter ever came out for PS2 i could swear i read somewhere that they would port this,

also im guessing the next collection will have

Real Bout Fatal Fury
Real Bout Fatal Special
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2

after this the only other collections they can make is, World Heroes collection and lets see samurai spirits collection.

maybe release Rage of the dragons, ninja masters, wakuwaku 7, and Breakers collection or something.:wgrin:

[FSgamer]

I'm totally nub to SNK fighters, but did I hear NeoWave = 02? Neowave is a redrawn 02 or something? Cause I thought it was a completely new game.
NW is basically 2k2 ported over to the Atomiswave board. MAX activation was removed, they added the 3 "grooves", plus a few extra characters that hadn't appeared in the KOF series for a while.

[FSgamer]

By the way anyone noticed it says vol 5 on the bottom right hand corner? What were the other volumes before that? If anyone knows.
Vol. 1 - MOTW
Vol. 2 - LB Collection
Vol. 3 - KOF Orochi Collection
Vol. 4 - AOF Collection
Vol. 5 - ?Garou DBA1? (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-40-49-en-15-fatal%2Bfury-70-1byl.html)
Vol. 5 - ?KOF Nests Collection? (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-40-49-en-15-nests-70-1a3w.html)

[Jorant]

As big a neo and snk fan as I am, the only reason to buy this is for Garou Densetsu Special. The other games won't be played. MAYBE GD3, but 1 sucks, 2 is a watered down Special, and 3 is a poor man's RB. Let's face it, when you make sac carts for other games, you sac GD3. Think about it.

[Dark Geese]

Thanks for the list of the games.

I'm totally nub to SNK fighters, but did I hear NeoWave = 02? Neowave is a redrawn 02 or something? Cause I thought it was a completely new game.


NeoWave is like 2k2 #R..thats what it is with new backgrounds etc.

It is the first KOF on Atomiswave..and people wanna complain about the graphics..but remember SNK didnt really put all their effort in this game because it was merely a test of the Atomiswave's hardware.

[bill_rizer]

and what A good test it turned out to be leading towards NGBC and KOFXI, too bad Atomiswave is done with, anyone know what board SNK are going to move to next?

[hanz0]

i think they should use segas latest naomi board:wink: :wgrin:

[Superking]

Duck King's theme music in FFS > all.

[r3ko]

Crayfish, myself and few others including middlekick (best Uk FFS player ever :grin: ) had a big set of games recently. I still got the replays, if you want Crayfish, i could convert some of the best matches to wmv. I didn't bother recording the sound as unfortunately it keeps desyncing after about 30 seconds.

Anyway, I converted a few of the matches, aswell as a quick "practical" combo video i made. check them out here http://www.putfile.com/r3ko.

If you want to directly download any vid, just open it up, go to the "View" and click on "Source". This will open up notepad with a bunch of text in it. Press Ctrl+F to start a search and type in wmv into the box and press enter. This is will take you to the http link to the vid. Copy this into your address and press enter. And you should be able to download the vid. This works for all putfile vids, but remember there are other vid formats. If wmv doesn't find anything, then try searching for avi, mpg, asf, etc.

Thanks
r3ko

[bill_rizer]

hey r3ko i want to see those matches of yours, rare I see UK people not playing a game not called 3S or Tekken lol.

[Rico!]

The ones I can remember from the top of my head:

Out now:

KOF'00
KOF'01
KOF'02
KOF'03
KOFNW
KOFMI
KOFMI2
KOF Orochi Collection
KOF'94 Rebout
MOTW
LB Collection
SSV
SS Tenka
AOF Collection
NGBC

Coming out soon:

KOFXI
KOF Nests Collection
Garou DBA

There maybe others I'm forgetting about. Anybody feel free to fill them in.

wow i really need a PS2 now... Can anyone tell me what the problems are with certain games? I heard something about Mark of the Wolves being laggy or something like that? What about other games?

EDIT: They should also add Wild Ambition in the next one

[r3ko]

Blah, i don't play those games, they're for scrubs. LOL. Only noobs need fancy combos, juggles, dashing, and parries. I actually enjoy tekken and 3s, both great games, but i love the old skool too much, which is really weird considering my age. I only really got into fighting games about 2 years ago (pretty much since i signed up here), and that was with ST, nearly every game i've tried to play since just seems way to alien to me. Only games i get on with are other Sf2 games, FFS, and pretty much any other SF2 clone during that era.

Key to good a fighting game is making it simple enough that someone who has never played can just pick it up and start playing, but at the same time make it extremely hard to master. And FF and especially SF2 are excellent examples. Having all the flashing bells of todays fighters are great for someone who wants to have something more complex (not just gameplay, but asethics too) and something more exciting. But these games are often way too complex to just pick up and play without having had experience of playing other fighters or someone there to help you.

I started playing ST with very little help, and i got way further playing by myself on that than i did with 3s. Probably one of the reasons why i love playing the anime style 2.5d games such as Narutimate hero games and party brawlers like smash and powerstone. While these games are easy to pick up, they don't offer alot in the way of complexity (when i say this i mean compared to say 3s). These types of games are great to play with against most of my friends who aren't into traditional fighting games.

Anyway i went way off topic there, so to get back on track...
FFS is one hell of a good game, rock on.

[bill_rizer]

ight that it is.

yea I understand what your saying about the games being hard to master and what not.

Im from the old gen, so I grew up playing SF and FF/AOF/KOF so these games just stick in my head, ive tried to get into tekken so many times but it just never happens I always get my ass handed to me, tried to get into 5 didnt happen either so im just not going to bother anymore.

I really like VF4 but that games learning curve is tough as hell, if you dont play for a week, your skill level goes down bad and you forget alot of shit, and boy theirs alot shit in that game, thats why nobody really gets into it, with tekken all you need is some air juggles and your on your way VF4 is hella hard to learn.

lucky SNK still make 2D fighters so Im happy I still get new games, I noticed you on Kaillera I used to be on their about 2 or 3 years ago mostly playin kof2k2/98 or SF2 ST/alpha3, I stop playing on their because its full of fools and virus like on those french servers but thats where everyone was who wanted to play those games anyway.

Im waiting for KOF XI to come out and its great SNK and CAPCOM are bringing out their old titles again so I dont have to use mame lol, I have friends who play these games because were all pretty much old school gamers, yea powerstone type games are fun also, for that type we play SvR06 that game is fun in multiplayer bare jokes, although last night we played BUZZ all night till moarning (buzz is that ps2 quiz game) its quite some fun.

hey dont know if your a football fan but I saw your town won today in the big time now lol.

I have videos of me and my friends playing various games also, but im scared to put them up beacuse their not high level jap play and people moan saying its shit blah blah, me I dont really mind what level a person is at, if you enjoy the game thats enough for me.

how do that putfile work? you make your own page and upload the matches how big are the file sizes of the matches I guess theirs a limit or something?

Maybe when I get a chance ill do something like that.

[dummyface]

Fatal Fury = Best fighting games ever

[Dark Geese]

SNK is moving to the Aurora board..that is the next thing they are moving too..

Im a mixture of the old and the new generation..I always love a challenge..and try to juggle as many different fighters as possible..

I dont like putting vids of myself at all bc I know how much people jock match vids etc..I think putting vids of myself up is counter-productive to myself..bc then people will know how I play...

I like the element of surprise...
Bc I am nerdy enough when watching match vids to put in statistics..calculate tendencies of the opponent..turn one set of match vids into a statistical data analysis where I can gauge how someone plays immediately provided I know the game well enough to comprehend not only what the person is doing but WHY..

sometimes it takes time to fully comprehend things..or youll go back like months later or after a major and then TRULY understand something that you didnt before..the light bulb will go off in your head..

I always find ways to evolve and get better..and its necessary especially when you are around people who are not as dedicated to getting better as you..therefore leaving you with little option but to travel to broaden your horizons..or constantly reinvent yourself...which I LOVE doing..I LOVE catching people off guard... *evil sadistic laugh*

[Hokage Izlude]

When did SNK announce they would be moving to the Aurora or whatever that thing is?

[Dark Geese]

That was quite a while back..I will have to dig it up on my research venues...

[bill_rizer]

and how powerful is this board?

[Saotome Kaneda]

wow i really need a PS2 now... Can anyone tell me what the problems are with certain games? I heard something about Mark of the Wolves being laggy or something like that? What about other games?

EDIT: They should also add Wild Ambition in the next one
I remember hearing that they can't do any of the HNG64 games because they lost the source data or something like that. Which makes me wonder what's keeping them from reverse engineering the required stuff from a working HNG and the games...

[hanz0]

I believe that there are ROM dumps floating on the net of the HN64 stuff for M.A.M.E
they should use that if they wanna be lazy i suppose:sweat:

[Superking]

SNK is moving to the Aurora board..that is the next thing they are moving too..


Nothing has been announced yet about that, I don't know where you keep coming up with the idea about them using Aurora. Considering that Aurora is not Jamma friendly, and that it is more or less the AW, but for card dispensing games.

[Dark Geese]

I know I've heard it from sources that this is what they are going to next...I have to dig it up though..but I know I've heard that this is the next thing..I hope I'm wrong though and they choose something more powerful..

[hanz0]

well since all this hype about the old garous, i started playing fatal fury special since thats what most people consider the best of the old fatal furys and i must say that its not bad at all, i see that it is possible to do chain combos like in kof95 just no combo counter to show that it actually connects, i been having fun using Jubei, i am going to try and learn duck and geese.

PS: i am playing the NEOGEO version(fbaxxxpro1.17):wink:

[Dark Geese]

It is truly a good game but for the FFSp experts as far as I know Middlekick and Crayfish would be the sources to consult..

I will soon be among you guys too...hehehe :badboy: (I just need more comp dammit....you guys get to be around people who play it NOT FAIR :sad:)

[hellhound]

I hope htey fixed the controls for fatal fury 1. I remember how it was dificult to execute super moves.

The moves were like an arc motion (down, diagonal forward, forward, daigonal up forward) my character would end up jumping forward than doing the move.

Plus the charge down to up and back to forward was annoying when it did not execute.

[Dark Geese]

Oh the moves will remain exactly the same I assure you.

[The Switcher]

Pretty much all of the music in FFS rocked. Personally, I dunno if it's just me, but I preferred the SNES music to the arcade one.

I made mix-tapes of that shit back in the day. :p

[CyberAkuma]

...Are you really certain that SNK is moving development to the Aurora, Dark Geese?

I can't say I know THAT much about that board, but in any case...all I know was that it was based on the Dreamcast architecture, which makes it supposedly "easy to develop for" and so forth. Sounds like it would be SNK's ideal place to chill and put its new stuff on...

Of course, the only thing that may be a fly in the ointment is that it doesn't offer much in the way of being a true advancement, so therefore, it's not a "Naomi 3" by any means. But hell, like SNK would care about that.

If this is true, then I can't wait to see what they can do with the new hardware. I just hope that maybe...just MAYBE...they could keep pushing out KOFs, but also use the time wisely to develop new sprites for say...a Mark of the Wolves sequel, or, dare I say it, something completely new and original in the world of SNK fighters...

[Dark Geese]

From some inside sources thats what I've heard though as of the moment nothing has been confirmed..so things could change but that is what I have been told...


Yeah it would be great if SNK went to the best board available..but its gonna take a while for that to happen it seems...but oh well its still better than the NG graphics...

[elvis_a_presley]

Call my cynical, but I'm wary of Playmore ports to PS2 after NGBC's insane load times. Still, oldschool fighters coming back is a good thing. Plenty of kids around here missed out on that generation of fighters, and I get a kick out of seeing kids learn combos I FORGOT 15 years ago. :)

Anyways... moving on....

System16's Aurora page:
http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=732

For the geeks: SH-4 was invented by Hitachi, but then they sold it to Renesas (trading under the "SuperH" name). Renesas used the SH-4 mostly for embedded design, including automotive HUDs and other nifty gizmos. They took a lot of the homebrew Linux stuff and did a lot of work on it too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH

Anyways, Renesa SuperH is SOC (System-On-Chip). ie: They took the entire dreamcast-style design (SH-4 CPU, PowerVR graphics, etc) and squashed it all down to one self-contained chip. Neat.

Aurora uses this new SuperH design, with a few improvements (core speed bumped to 300MHz, extra system and video RAM, nice low-lag USB, etc). This is a good idea if you ask me. Plenty of arcade manufacturers have been using Naomi and Atomiswave for some time now. Migrating to Aurora will be zero-effort for most of these folks who know the kits inside out. Plus with the Linux 2.6 kernel as an optional devkit it means easy porting for folks who don't want to deal with low-level register crap (ie: easy use of SDL and OpenGL for quick and easy coding).

As mentioned, it'll be non-JAMMA. But that's not so bad. JAMMA was beginning to be only used as a standard power source anyway. Naomi and Atomis had VGA out, and every game under the sun required kick harnesses anyway. Direct-wire (or even USB) inputs are easy enough to make, and if the system is supplied with it's own power supply, and VGA/DVI/HDMI output, there's no real problems there.

Sure, it's only a rumour that SNK/Playmore will move to Aurora, but they'd be silly not to. Migrating to any other hardware would mean learning new devkits and hardware, plus losing a nice and friendly relationship with Sega. Unless of course they come out of left field and jump on System 256 hardware (ie: Playstation2-in-a-box) - what with their entire line of arcade games being constantly ported to PS2, it doesn't sound so silly.

But from previous examples, Sony tend to force people into signing deals like only releasing 246/256 games on PS2 (with the exception of CFJ which made it to XBox). Anyways... that's all rumour and speculation anyway. Time will tell which way they go.

[Dark Geese]

Very goood Stuff Mr. Presley..you are very knowledgable of these types of things..

Yeah me too Im gonna get a kick out of seeing people learning stuff I forgot about a decade or so ago..

Yes as long as they continue to feed the fighting game fans how they have in the past I aint complaining..I mean man Im still enjoying the hell out of NGBC and Tenka and NeoWave..they are my favorite fighters now..and XI is only gonna be better I'm sure..

[Freak on Board]

New Scoop:

http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0606/09/news045.html

[Crayfish]

New Scoop:

http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0606/09/news045.html
Wow, I cnt read the Japanese, bt thats a color edit right? Bet Fatal FurySpecial Tung would look pretty cool in a deep regal Chinese maroon, or Big Bear in VanVader style red and black :cool:


Crayfish. (http://www.shaolinchamber.com/video_files/TRAILERS/bloodsport-trailer.wmv)

[Freak on Board]

Wow, I cnt read the Japanese, bt thats a color edit right? Bet Fatal FurySpecial Tung would look pretty cool in a deep regal Chinese maroon, or Big Bear in VanVader style red and black :cool:

In fact, nothing really new.

New features are online play (Japan only), arranged soundtrack and color edit.

[Ace London]

Will Fatal Fury Special have practice mode?

[Freak on Board]

New Screenshots at Game Watch. (http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060622/gr.htm)

[Dark Geese]

Thank you for the extra stuff.

[Terry_nb]

I liked FF3 so much back then in the Alpha 2 days, but well maybe it's time now to also check FFSP in deep for the first time to learn more about my favorite series ever with SS and SF.^^

[Freak on Board]

Official site is now open. (http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/garou_ba1/)

[FSgamer]

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-40-49-en-15-garou-70-1byl.html

Weekly Special!!!
Garou Densetsu Battle Archives - US$19.90

You heard it right! 20 bucks! Go get it before it's gone!

[m121akuma]

You beat me to it.

I already put my order in. So psyched.

[FSgamer]

I already put my order in.
I ordered mine too. Play-Asia had lowered the price from $49.90 to $29.90 about a month ago. I was planning on getting some other games before getting this one but when I went to the Play-Asia website today and I saw the game for only $19.90 I thought to myself "Damn, that's cheap, I got to take the opportunity and get this game." I'm not really into old fighters other than ST but I needed to get this one since it brings me back some good memories from the old days.

[m121akuma]

Just out of curiosity, how's Fatal Fury 3? I keep hearing how awesome Special is, but I never hear much about 3...

[CyberAkuma]

FF3 is mostly a mixed bag, depending on who you talk too.

Some, like a guy who posted in this topic a while back called it a "poor man's Real Bout", others thought it was a great competitor to the likes of Alpha 2, and others either don't care because they prefer FF Special or Real Bout 2.

Me personally, I tend to drift to the second camp. I liked how the game had perhaps the most interesting "SDM system" in any SNK game thus far. And Geese's SDM in that game was beastly. Only RBSpecial Nightmare Geese's Reverse Raging Storm trumphs FF3 Geese on pure bad-ass qualities alone. :wgrin:

As far as the play-asia sale? Well, GDBA1 will be coming to me in tandem with my upcoming Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood pre-order!

It's just too bad that the Art of Fighting collection ain't on sell too. I've been meaning to pick that up, just so that I can play AOF2 (in spite of AOF2's uber-cheap AI) and AOF3 again. Ah well, maybe later...definitely will pick it up by the time the Real Bout Collection hits though...