View Full Version : X-3 Review Thread: "Don't you know who I am!? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"
Shodokan123
05-26-2006, 04:45 PM
He says it in the movie... bullet fuckin tooth tony says it... wow i can't beleive they put it in the movie..
If they some how dubbed the actual voice in it would have been 10x better... funny thing is my WHOLE thearter laughed and knew what it was.
It was a good movie... for those of you who have not seen it, stay through the credits!
Shodo rates it: 4/5 stars
Not given much to work with, but with the story they had they did a good job. Special effects were awesome... not much else to say..
"Don't you know who i am?!!!!?!!!! i'm the juggernaut bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Ya i saw it he doesnt say juggernaught bitch.
RockBogart
05-26-2006, 04:49 PM
Ya i saw it he doesnt say juggernaught bitch.
where u from? cause he said it in the US release
Shodokan123
05-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Ya i saw it he doesnt say juggernaught bitch.
um... yes he does...
when he is running and kitty pulls an into the floor...
Rukuss2k
05-26-2006, 04:53 PM
I just got back from seeing it, and yes, he does say it. I cringed....
Viscant
05-26-2006, 05:01 PM
The line was in, most of my theatre didn't get it.
X3 was a tremendous disappointment. I don't think the hardcore fans were happy with it, there wasn't much for casual fans/non-fans to really care about. A lot of the continuity mistakes were inexcusable. And probably 95% of people in my theatre missed the post-credit part, which was too important to be so easily missed, IMO.
I have very few plusses and a whole lot of critical disappointments. I'm usually pretty easy on movies since as long as I feel entertained, I walk away happy, but this is probably first movie I've seen in about a year where I walked out of the theatre wishing I hadn't paid money to see it. Huge thumbs down.
--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com
angelslayer13
05-26-2006, 05:18 PM
^^what continuity mistakes, care to post them?
TetheredRemnant
05-26-2006, 05:56 PM
I thought the movie was ok could have been better but with the story line they had they made it work
LOL the juggs scene made the whole movie for me 2 good
x_tremer
05-26-2006, 05:58 PM
haha, cant wait to watch it then.
props to nas for the famous line, who wouldve thought it would make it into the movie?
Autocrat1
05-26-2006, 06:00 PM
THE SCENE, CHARLES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIN_JkHxYkk
Hydro
05-26-2006, 06:03 PM
Ya i saw it he doesnt say juggernaught bitch.Dont Lie you couldnt of seen it he clearly said it, if i mean if you seen the Movie:confused:
They broke somany Laws if you read the comic book you would just throw up.Here's one
Juggernaut - Leech who Nullifies MUTANT Powers had Nullified Juggernauts who is a Human:confused:
Cyclops Dies..............How/Why of all the X-Men he has died the Least in the Comic (I know its not the Comic book its a Movie)
Collosus - Wasnt a Fuckin Collosus(First of All)he had an AMERICAN ACCENT(From Russia)
Logan - The man was 5'3 I mean he was one of the Tallest in the Movie:wasted:
To top it all off they Kill Magneto with the Cure:annoy:(Didnt actually Die they Cured him)
:crybaby:"Not Everyone Heals As Fast As You Logan" :lame: :lame: :lame:Thats when I Just Died:sad:
Ok im done Rambling Now:tdown:
Dr. Stormlocke
05-26-2006, 06:07 PM
Pro/s: The juggs line.
Cons: Just about everything else.
I don't blame Ratner, I blame the corporate stooges at Fox, who instead of waiting for Singer to come back after Superman and do the movie, decided they just had to have something to counter it. A rushed, botched job. Instead of sticking with the pre-established characters, they decided to basically bombard the audience with a silly amount of new mutants, in hopes that maybe one or two of them out of the handful would be worth splitting the movie into 1,000 different parts as they all get their 2-3 minutes of screen time. Did you really care about any of the characters anymore? Dark Phoenix? You mean Resident Evil'ified Jean Grey that had the luxury of being turned into a stooge for most of the movie? The action sequences were mediocre at best. The dialogue was 'meh', the forced humor was bad, and the movie clocked in at a mere 1 hour 44 minutes, which I suppose could be a blessing or a curse, I really don't know. All I do know is that's it's a forgettable movie, and that's really sad considering what it could have been.
Rhio2k
05-26-2006, 06:20 PM
I coulda saved all you guys some time and told you to go see Over The Hedge...
Hydro
05-26-2006, 06:23 PM
I coulda saved all you guys some time and told you to go see Over The Hedge...I really mad at you cause you didnt :annoy: You will be hearing from my Lawyers:rofl:
Romie
05-26-2006, 06:31 PM
I coulda saved all you guys some time and told you to go see Over The Hedge...
Hammy + Caffine > The X-Men.
Ragetowersrage
05-26-2006, 06:37 PM
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html
X-Men 4
Superking
05-26-2006, 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Rhio2k
I coulda saved all you guys some time and told you to go see Over The Hedge...
Furryland is that way. :r:
Christ0pher
05-26-2006, 06:38 PM
I coulda saved all you guys some time and told you to go see Over The Hedge...
The best part was when Hamm used his TIME STOP powers!!
Golden Dragon
05-26-2006, 06:59 PM
I did my bitching in the 'X3 sneak peek' thread, so I'll spare everybody. The movie was garbage. While I kinda both love and hate the previous two X Films, this one made me appreciate them so much more. And c'mon, Ratner certainly deserves some of the blame.
Mystic
05-26-2006, 07:03 PM
....
Dude, wtf atleast hide the spoilers man.
VA_King
05-26-2006, 07:09 PM
SPOLIERS
mag got his powers back in the end. or a trace amount of it back. since leech only suppress's powers for a shor amount of time, it is to be assumed that the "cure" was only limited. and they did no testing before hand or at least teh movie didn't show it. so as a plot hole. whoever was cured by the "cure" should surely get their powers back. such as rouge.
wtf no gambit. makes me so mad.
and juggs as a mutant. come on. and not even recognizing charles as his brother. and they left out the "wind" on storms tornado attacks, so she looked retarded.
BIG SPOILER IF YOU HAVEN"T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION SO FAR
charles moved his brain to teh coma dude. that was cool. and the forshadowing in teh class room lead to that. but, i wonder who is going to take on xavier, since it wont be Picard. or at least picards body since phoneix tore that shit up.
and psylocke biting it without showing any of her powers... lame.
Stanman
05-26-2006, 07:11 PM
entertaining
badly written
xjester
05-26-2006, 07:12 PM
Im ok with it.
Not completly impressed, and Psylocke sucked, but not being a huge X-Men fanboy probably helped.
And colossus not having a russian accent was gay.
Juggernaut line made me wana crap my pants, though.
donaldducktm
05-26-2006, 07:42 PM
best part:
I'M THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!!!!!!
Captain Ryu
05-26-2006, 07:44 PM
Fuck, I didnt stay after the credits. What exactly happend?
Btw, Angel looked mad fruity when he spread his wings the first time. When they were trying to give him the cure. lol.
xjester
05-26-2006, 07:47 PM
SPOLIERS!!!!!
The comatose man that the Prof. talked about earlier wakes up and says hello to that Dr, but in the Prof's Voice.
He projected his conciousness onto him.
END SPOLIERS!!!!
I now have the greatist wallpaper ever:
http://www.deviantart.com/view/33870680/
Shin-RoTeNdO
05-26-2006, 08:19 PM
I was one of the select few who got the Juggernaut line in the movie. Cyclops dying, Mystique cured, Collosus accent, no Gambit, no Nightcrawler, no Psylocke action, to add to that - I was expecting to finally see Jubilee do something or in this one, some badly writtend lines, etc....
It was okay, but was expecting the movie to follow the comic books more, but my son enjoyed the whole thing.
Saw some people staying back through the credits, but my son is not going to sit still while words are showing and other kids/people are leaving. I knew Mag was not fully 'cured', that ending was so predictable.... wished I sat through the credits.
So they showed Xavier waking up in through the coma patient after the credits?
DaFlipMastaXV
05-26-2006, 08:33 PM
Bah, I had to go to the washroom so bad I missed it.
Movie was alright...nowhere as good as the first two.
_MJ_#R
05-26-2006, 08:35 PM
fox news 7 minute preview awhile back ruined the juggernaut bitch line..
oh well..
gouki10
05-26-2006, 09:23 PM
yo wtf, guess im the only one glad cyc, jean, dies......anyway im glad that fucking characters like psy, jubliee, etc. Weren't there, they are just boring characters.
Also magnus getting his powers back at the end............God like0_0.
guy takes FOUR fucking shots of the cure and survives ............he is fucking beast.
10/10
X-Treme
05-26-2006, 09:26 PM
FUCK PEOPLE! Do you know how to go to a movie and enjoy something thats already been established and not in the comics? Goddamn, I've never seen so much pointless complaints, barely any complaint that actually took away from what was already in the movie.
Is this why people bitch about the Ultimate line? Do you not know how to accept things that are different, yet still true in some essence to the character? My god......:annoy:
Juggernaut - Leech who Nullifies MUTANT Powers had Nullified Juggernauts who is a Human
Collosus - Wasnt a Fuckin Collosus(First of All)he had an AMERICAN ACCENT(From Russia)
1) Juggernaut is not human, mutant like everyone else. Hence, Leech sap the powers, he knocks himself out.
2) People lose their accent, my friends have lost theirs and they've only been here a few years, calm the hell down, it was lucky enough we have someone that can pass for Collosus and look YOUNG in the first place.
I swear, I'm tired about hearing all this Gambit/Psylocke bitching all over the damn place. At what point would introducing Gambit and/or Psylocke into this cure fiasco would have prompted them to join the X-Men and stay till the end of the movie? For people that read the comics (for those that do, for that don't, don't jump on me), I thought they'd be a bit more understanding about the whole "working with established characters, offing minors villains here and there" and introducing people when they have good reason to.
OH OH OH, I want it to be like the comics. GTFO with that.:mad: WTF do you think its called an adaptation, not an imitation?
ARGH! End rant...... (And yeah, I know so much people can counter me, so just bring it on)
Hydro
05-26-2006, 09:42 PM
FUCK PEOPLE! Do you know how to go to a movie and enjoy something thats already been established and not in the comics? Goddamn, I've never seen so much pointless complaints, barely any complaint that actually took away from what was already in the movie.
Is this why people bitch about the Ultimate line? Do you not know how to accept things that are different, yet still true in some essence to the character? My god......:annoy:
1) Juggernaut is not human, mutant like everyone else. Hence, Leech sap the powers, he knocks himself out.
2) People lose their accent, my friends have lost theirs and they've only been here a few years, calm the hell down, it was lucky enough we have someone that can pass for Collosus and look YOUNG in the first place.
I swear, I'm tired about hearing all this Gambit/Psylocke bitching all over the damn place. At what point would introducing Gambit and/or Psylocke into this cure fiasco would have prompted them to join the X-Men and stay till the end of the movie? For people that read the comics (for those that do, for that don't, don't jump on me), I thought they'd be a bit more understanding about the whole "working with established characters, offing minors villains here and there" and introducing people when they have good reason to.
OH OH OH, I want it to be like the comics. GTFO with that.:mad: WTF do you think its called an adaptation, not an imitation?
ARGH! End rant...... (And yeah, I know so much people can counter me, so just bring it on)
Why call it X-men, take it and use whats there and twist it.Dont put shit thats not even there:confused:
Oh I get you As long as you see Pixie Fairies with Special Effects you Ignore the Dialog and/or Story Line
Pls do your research Juggernaut is human:arazz:
Pinnochio
05-26-2006, 09:51 PM
Umm juggarnaut is a human. He got his powers from some cytrorak crystal which is why he is so buff. Not because he is a mutant.
By the way, wouldn't it be badass if charles comes back distraught because his own student killed him and becomes onslaught? Yeah, i mean they skewed hte pheonix story, so why not skew the onslaught story? that would be so badass.
Hydro
05-26-2006, 09:55 PM
Umm juggarnaut is a human. He got his powers from some cytrorak crystal which is why he is so buff. Not because he is a mutant.Thx at least someone knows what they are talking about:wgrin:
By the way, wouldn't it be badass if charles comes back distraught because his own student killed him and becomes onslaught? Yeah, i mean they skewed hte pheonix story, so why not skew the onslaught story? that would be so badass.Yes fuck it all up:rofl:
Vanilla
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
FUCK PEOPLE! Do you know how to go to a movie and enjoy something thats already been established and not in the comics? Goddamn, I've never seen so much pointless complaints, barely any complaint that actually took away from what was already in the movie.
Is this why people bitch about the Ultimate line? Do you not know how to accept things that are different, yet still true in some essence to the character? My god......:annoy:
Damn right
arcticninja
05-26-2006, 10:00 PM
goddamnit you people are fucking stupid.
HE'S A MUTANT IN THE MOVIE NOT THE COMIC
THIS IS THE MOVIE
NOT THE COMIC
The best part about the movie was the Snakes on a Plane trailer. But seriously, I really enjoyed it. Beast saying "oh my stars and garters" was the icing on the cake.
The only think that movie was missing was snakes.
spoon
05-26-2006, 10:08 PM
One of my main complaints is, for all the screentime and focus Halle Berry got, her character was very unimpressionable :/
ytwojay
05-26-2006, 10:09 PM
*spoilers, of course*
I think its kind of lame when people bitch about continuity issues. Yeah, when I saw that scene with Juggernaut running into the wall and falling down, I immediately thought "wtf, he's not a mutant" but you have to let that kind of shit slide when dealing with comic book movies. There's no way they can be true to the original comics, hell even comic series spinoffs change origins and whatnot. And what difference would it have made if Juggernaut was a human in the movie?
These people might as well not even see X3 since the Dark Phoenix saga is basically completely rewritten. Might as well rant about Beast and Angel not being original members of the team.
These are not acceptable complaints. Bad acting, poor dialogue, shitty special effects, etc. are.
Overall, I thought the movie was alright. I think lots of people are disappointed because X2 was such a leap over X1, and they were expecting the same from X3. If you're a fan of X-Men at all, I would still recommend checking it out. At the very least, the special effects were good. They looked way better than the Ghost Rider trailer, that's for sure.
Oh, and doesn't anyone else not believe that Cyclops and the rest are dead? I assumed Phoenix sent them to some random ass nether world, and Xavier was the only one strong enough to get out. There's no way Jean, Cyclops + infinity other mutants are gone forever.
And did anyone else believe for a minute that the "cure" was actually permanent? Because I sure as hell didn't. Leech [at least in the movie] seemed to suppress the X-factor only while he was near other mutants, so it didnt seem like the injection would have cured them permanently. And seriously, are they really going to off Magneto and his powers?
I thought Rogue was going to decide against getting the injection, and that she and Iceman were gonna make out with Leech in the room, haha.
suleman
05-26-2006, 10:14 PM
No shit juggernaut is a human, all of us geeks know that. Did you really think they were going to put in that gem nonsense? There is no continuity outside the trilogy that matters - so eat all that bullshit. It was a good movie.
FlyingGuy
05-26-2006, 10:19 PM
first off i was a little distracted... but the guy throwing things at wolvie in the forest, that was supposed to be omega red?
apparently i missed psylocke, who/where was she?
Did gambit make a cameo?
IN DETAIL---what did the late ending entail, i didnt stay.
solace
05-26-2006, 10:33 PM
I'm sorry but if you're expecting a 2 hour movie that just added a large cast of cameos to have new characters be 100% true to the comic then you're diluted.
"Hi, let's make a backstory that's irrelevant to the main plot and bore the audience with this pointless story of how Juggarnaut got his power from a magic gem and let's add that he's Charlie's brother!"
Anyways, I wasn't expecting much in terms of dialogue and acting so I just figured I'd just enjoy what I can out of it.
Pros and Cons:
+
Magneto and Golden Gate Bridge
Mystique nude
Mutant Cure AoE
Kitty vs Juggs
-
Magneto leaving his ugly ass helmet on even after Charles is assumed dead
Too many cameo mutant characters
Cyclops dead -- every team needs its token douchebag
Iceman vs Pyro
ViciousSLASH
05-26-2006, 10:36 PM
Beast saying "oh my stars and garters" was the icing on the cake.
Beast WAS the movie.
I knew it was coming, and when he said O.M.S.A.G. it was great, it made my day. All Beast needed to do was yell out NILES !!!! and I would have lost it.
Also Beast kicked the shit out of those pawn ass losers.
The movie was bad, but entertaining.
Juggernaut line was even better because it was delievered in cockney brIT-ish. OI I'M DA JUGGANAUTS LUV ! OI OI OI OI OI !
The guy throwing things at wolvie was Spike, from X Men evolution.
FreddyL0c0
05-26-2006, 10:39 PM
[QUOTE=FlyingGuy]first off i was a little distracted... but the guy throwing things at wolvie in the forest, that was supposed to be omega red?
[QUOTE]
I think it was supposed to be a male version of Marrow
the movie was alright, just no point in calling it the Last Stand. Also, Angel is pointless...Beast was cool, and Storm finaly gets a bigger part, fuck even bigger than Cyke, which really isnt surprising considering how little hes done in the last two movies anyways. There are many instances that made me cringe, bad lines here and there and too many unexplained circumstances.
crimzonflame
05-26-2006, 10:39 PM
The Movie Sucked. Whoever Wrote It Can Suck My Dick.
TheDarkPhoenix
05-26-2006, 10:57 PM
Sigh.... It was a good movie over all.
But they butchered the story, Phoenix was crazy(which actually worked well)......-_- Juggs was a muntant.... X and cyke died. (X tranfers his mind into someones body for all those who didn't stay after the credits)
The cure doesn't have lasting it seems....
Best thing about this movie is that my love beasted on people (even tho they didn't have her as powerful as she should be) Mystique had short but great scenes... and the effects.
mvsc2demon
05-26-2006, 11:04 PM
The Movie Sucked. Whoever Wrote It Can Suck My Dick.
:rofl:
Hydro
05-26-2006, 11:08 PM
*spoilers, of course*
I think its kind of lame when people bitch about continuity issues. Yeah, when I saw that scene with Juggernaut running into the wall and falling down, I immediately thought "wtf, he's not a mutant" but you have to let that kind of shit slide when dealing with comic book movies. There's no way they can be true to the original comics, hell even comic series spinoffs change origins and whatnot. And what difference would it have made if Juggernaut was a human in the movie?
These people might as well not even see X3 since the Dark Phoenix saga is basically completely rewritten. Might as well rant about Beast and Angel not being original members of the team.
These are not acceptable complaints. Bad acting, poor dialogue, shitty special effects, etc. are.
Overall, I thought the movie was alright. I think lots of people are disappointed because X2 was such a leap over X1, and they were expecting the same from X3. If you're a fan of X-Men at all, I would still recommend checking it out. At the very least, the special effects were good. They looked way better than the Ghost Rider trailer, that's for sure.
Oh, and doesn't anyone else not believe that Cyclops and the rest are dead? I assumed Phoenix sent them to some random ass nether world, and Xavier was the only one strong enough to get out. There's no way Jean, Cyclops + infinity other mutants are gone forever.
And did anyone else believe for a minute that the "cure" was actually permanent? Because I sure as hell didn't. Leech [at least in the movie] seemed to suppress the X-factor only while he was near other mutants, so it didnt seem like the injection would have cured them permanently. And seriously, are they really going to off Magneto and his powers?
I thought Rogue was going to decide against getting the injection, and that she and Iceman were gonna make out with Leech in the room, haha.
Well Said:tup:
I was just rambling like I said:wgrin:
:rofl:Rouge & Iceman with Leech in the room:rofl:
BrwnbellyYankee
05-26-2006, 11:19 PM
i wanna know were psylocke was? because i think everyone is confusing her with callisto.
MrQuotes
05-26-2006, 11:36 PM
movie sucked
0 consistency
0 entertainment
spoon
05-26-2006, 11:36 PM
psylocke was the asian chick with the blue hair. her final appearance was when she uncloaked infront of the guy who invented the cure, then getting turned into dust by phoenix.
callisto was the chick with the tattoo under her right eye, usually by mag's side
FallingEdge
05-26-2006, 11:37 PM
When we first saw the Juggernaut, I yelled "IT'S THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH!"
No one knew what the hell was going on except for my friends. Same with the main scene.
Oh well, movie was aight. No complaints here :tup:
Rock2k1
05-26-2006, 11:38 PM
I found this a drop from X2, because I liked the action in that one. Overall dialogue was pretty shitty in X3, but Juggernaut, bitch was good. HAHA.
Anything with juggernaut slamming shit or doing anything was awesome. There were a few memorable action bits that i really enjoyed.
My #1 problem with the movie: phoenix. I don't understand this character. She is so fucking random. I can't tell what causes her to do the things she does. She just stands around during the battle at the end...and then randomly starts killing shit. She is just a walking bomb that explodes at any given moment. She makes no fucking sense.
sixtymhz
05-27-2006, 12:13 AM
alright movie... nice effects.. didnt like cycke dying so early, etc... but Berry needs to sit on my cock and spin awhile rebecca romijn sits on my face.
I don't care what anyone says, it was a good movie and thats that. As a reader of the original material I can say that of course it was butchered. But, you have to take into consideration that the source material always has to be altered in order to please the casual, non-reading crowd. Batman Begins and all of the other Bat-flicks had their share of flaws as well.
And I wasn't really feeling Phoenix being just a pawn to Magneto. I think the movie should have really dealt a lot more with the character and some crazy showdowns.
Also, I'd like to add that the majority of the flick was basically House of M all over again. In terms of delivering the story and the angle itself.
Kusanagi02
05-27-2006, 12:28 AM
I was probably the only one chuckling whenever Callisto was beastin on Storm.
But you know what...I would have loved to see Cyclops leading the team to Alcatraz and bein the one to kill Jean instead of Wolverine. For some reason it felt like the team was way shorthanded...hell if they allowed Angel to fight it would've been even better.
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 12:36 AM
I saw it.
It was fucken awsome.
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ps - it was fucken awsome.
TheWholeFnShow
05-27-2006, 12:37 AM
Did anyone feel like the plot was kinda rushed? It seemed like they were trying to run the cure plot and the Phoenix plot, but it felt like two separate things that should've been done in separate movies.
In all, ok movie. Poor Cyclops...all he does is cry and then die. It's like...calling him for Gene Splice assist and then getting AHVB'ed to death. :looney:
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 12:57 AM
Intsead of completely comparing X3 to the previous films, might as well compare it to other sequels similiar to it. It's by no means a Batman and Robin, but it's quite like another "X" sequel, xXx: State of the Union.
To start off; the action since this is an action oriented comic. Overall I was bored to tears. This isn't to say there weren't some great moments. I think one of the better moments was during the danger room, Colossus gave Rogue a bit of his power in order to protect her from a debris attack. Juggernaut vs. Wolvie was incredible. Wolvie vs. Morlock Guards was decent enough, but other than that every other battle seemed old hat.
The next thing that most people would want to know is, what about the mutant powers? How were they used? Were they cool as fuck? As I mentioned before, some powers were used creatively, Magneto had his moments but as the movie progressed it became clear to make Magneto the equivalent of a metal tossing catapult than being a master of magentism. The very first use of Jean's powers in the first scene was amusing enough but as the movie progressed there's so much of a Hey look at me, I'm a destructive force overload it fails to actually instill any real fear in the audience.
It's hard to say what they were trying to do with the mutant powers. I imagine they were trying to stuff in so many cameos/mutant possiblities, in such a way to distract at how crappy the rest of the film is. There is a lot of "introduction of powers" scenes in the film, that were produced for the sole reason of showing off a power or ability. But it lacked the certain natural introduction of the previous two films.
An example would be Kitty in X1 being like a typical student forgetting her book and then just phasing through a closed door after her fellow classmates. Iceman in X2 creating an icewall not to seperate them from Stryker's men, but also seperating Wolverin from Stryker himself. But in X3 it almost felt like a mutant audition. Even Magneto asked one mutant: "What's your power?" as if he was prepping an amateur for some porn shoot. Basically, powers were expressed in such a way that was more like the comic than a basic action film. The imaginative use of powers descresed greatly with this film. It's one thing to see Pyro set off cars and send them into the air. It's just really boring to see it happen again, only this time with Magneto as his B-assist tossing the cars for him.
Finally, the dialogue. Guess what? My feelings of deja-vu in comparing the dialogue to Triple X wasn't all that far off. Guess who worked on the screenplay of X3? Simon Kinberg (http://imdb.com/name/nm1334526/) the same guy who wrote xXx: 2. I'll just leave it at that.
I'm by no means a comic book purist, in fact I wasn't really intrested in this film in the first place. It might have been AICN swaying me a bit with it's talkback and weekly rumours of the slightly change. I wouldn't go so far as to say: "This isn't X-men" because I imagine to there is enough people here and everywhere who believe it is. But it does bring up the point, do we want the films to exist and be produced so haphazardly to remind us of the comics only by reference and not by the nature of the film? Do we want these adaptions to exist even though they are more like a common movie than another genre by itself?
OC
BBCampbell
05-27-2006, 01:05 AM
One point to all of you saying that Juggernaut isn't a mutant.
Yes he is.
In Ultimate X-Men. Also, his costume in the movie is based on his Ultimate self.
Plus, the whole Rogue/Iceman/Shadowcat love triangle is all over Ultimate X-Men (though not so much now that Ultimate Shadowcat is dating Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate Iceman and Ultimate Rogue had Ultimate Sex using Ultimate Gambit's Ultimate Powers ultimately.)
coco_j
05-27-2006, 01:07 AM
I think it was good that Juggs was a mutant, it would be fuckin lame if they went on about that Gem or whatever in the movie, it just wouldn't fit. Overall I thought it was great. Mystique turning human was worth it alone, anyone know where to get pics of that or something! DAMN!
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 01:23 AM
I think it was good that Juggs was a mutant, it would be fuckin lame if they went on about that Gem or whatever in the movie, it just wouldn't fit. Overall I thought it was great. Mystique turning human was worth it alone, anyone know where to get pics of that or something! DAMN!
Damn its non-adult rating!!!
If only we could see more of that :sweat: :lovin:
ps - it was fucken awsome movie. anyone who disagrees is simply full of shit and over-critical and wrong.
Dreaded Fist
05-27-2006, 01:40 AM
movie was entertaining.
The plot/writing could have been better like a lot have said. It was really cool when jugg started running through everything. Lame was the pyro/iceman fight. I was expecting iceman to do something sweet. Not a lot of creativity went into having fun with the superpowers. It was like oh you can freeze stuff so if theres a fire, put it out. When someone get's screentime, i already had an idea of what they're gonna do. One of the reason why I like the comic/cartoon series so much is scenes like when gambit threw a card at Gladiator, Gladiator shrugged it off,tossed Gam into the wall, and jumped on him. Then Gambit pulled out a whole deck of card and flicked it at Gladiator. Scenes like that and others where it seems like there is no way out and someone does someting cool to get out. it made me think how cool it would be to have that kind of power. I didn't get that feeling much in X3. One exception is the collossus/rogue thing, that was neato.
FlyingGuy
05-27-2006, 01:48 AM
since this movie has been stated as an "audition for all mutants" ... any notable mutant cameos i might have missed? now, i did catch psylocke now that i think about it, any other subtle ones?
FistsofFury
05-27-2006, 01:48 AM
I'm not even going to trip about people dying, or that Juggs' powers are magic based and not a mutant ability.
The movie was just fucking badly written. Period. The dialouge was so cheesy it had mold on it. The storyline was half developed and sub-plots thrown together. The Logan-Jean love story just sucked. The action scenes were cool though. Except the Pyro-Iceman fight. That was the biggest lamest cliche of the whole movie. The 'just stand there and use your powers, and have an elemental tuf of war!'. I don't get how Psylocke just emerged from a wall when she first appeared though.
Hugh Jackman better do something else soon or risk being called Wolverine on the street for the rest of his life.
FurryCurry
05-27-2006, 02:13 AM
I'm not even going to trip about people dying, or that Juggs' powers are magic based and not a mutant ability.
The movie was just fucking badly written. Period. The dialouge was so cheesy it had mold on it. The storyline was half developed and sub-plots thrown together. The Logan-Jean love story just sucked. The action scenes were cool though. Except the Pyro-Iceman fight. That was the biggest lamest cliche of the whole movie. The 'just stand there and use your powers, and have an elemental tuf of war!'. I don't get how Psylocke just emerged from a wall when she first appeared though.
Hugh Jackman better do something else soon or risk being called Wolverine on the street for the rest of his life.
Jackman has done many other movies since X2. Don't worry his movie carreer is fine.
I guess they ran out of special effects money for the Pyro Vs. Iceman fight. They should have had Iceman be more creative, like putting him in a situation where he'd have to use his ice sliding technique. Or do something with Pyro where he really manipulates fire instead of just throwing it.
I was at least glad to see Iceman freeze his whole body.
if there is an x-4 with this same cast (I hope they all say "no" unless the story is batman begins or spiderman good) the movie should start with Rouge getting banged by Iceman as her powers come back.
I loved when Juggs kicked wolverine out the house.
I think suddenly forcing Jean to sort of love Logan at the end was awkward. Cyclops should have stayed alive and been the one to fix things. Logan has never been a big hero like that. And Storm should have been the leader really. She is fucking second in command.
Stuff like that bothered me.
FlyingGuy
05-27-2006, 02:24 AM
...oh yeah, and to my questions a couple posts up... i would also like to ask ( although in fear of getting flamed) what is the big histerical deal surrounding Juggs' line? what am i missing here?
DaDesiCanadian
05-27-2006, 02:26 AM
I'm not even going to trip about people dying, or that Juggs' powers are magic based and not a mutant ability.
The movie was just fucking badly written. Period. The dialouge was so cheesy it had mold on it. The storyline was half developed and sub-plots thrown together. The Logan-Jean love story just sucked. The action scenes were cool though. Except the Pyro-Iceman fight. That was the biggest lamest cliche of the whole movie. The 'just stand there and use your powers, and have an elemental tuf of war!'. I don't get how Psylocke just emerged from a wall when she first appeared though.
Hugh Jackman better do something else soon or risk being called Wolverine on the street for the rest of his life.
I had this huge post written up, then pressed back by accident. But this just sums it up. Incredibly badly written, hilariously cliched moments, shittiest dialogue possible, so bad that the actors were forcing it out. The pep talks, the "YOU'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE.. YOU LOVE HER" moments were just so bad. Terrible fucking movie, and that's not even going into the discontinuity with the comics.
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 02:40 AM
I had this huge post written up, then pressed back by accident. But this just sums it up. Incredibly badly written, hilariously cliched moments, shittiest dialogue possible, so bad that the actors were forcing it out. The pep talks, the "YOU'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE.. YOU LOVE HER" moments were just so bad. Terrible fucking movie, and that's not even going into the discontinuity with the comics.
you're fucken stupid, if you went into x-men 3 expecting good acting, a deep story line and decent dialogue you need to check yourself into a psychward. Didn't you watch the previous movies?
WTF is wrong with you. X-Men 3 is all about wolverine busting shit up, phoenix vaporizing people, and just good old fashion senseless action and cool characters..... Haven't you seen any comic-book-to-movie flick???
Have any of them had interesting dialogue and good acting? Hulk, Daredevil, Catwoman, Spiderman, X1/X2, Fantastic Four.....Seriously man...when going into watch a comic-book movie you need to be in the right frame of mind.
movie was fucken awsome. you simply fail at watching movies and your expectations are unrealistic
MagnuScruB
05-27-2006, 02:46 AM
wow, everyone saying the movie sucked...
i just saw it. i thought it was easily the best of the 3 Xmen. I loved it, action was GREAT, special effects GREAT, everything was perfect. the story was told clearly.
10 for effects
10 for action
10 overall
i DO NOT read the comics. i just watch marvel movies. this movie, by far, met my expectations in every way. now lets see if spiderman 3 can top it.
also, anyone catch stan lee? i did :D
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 02:49 AM
wow, everyone saying the movie sucked...
i just saw it. i thought it was easily the best of the 3 Xmen. I loved it, action was GREAT, special effects GREAT, everything was perfect. the story was told clearly.
10 for effects
10 for action
10 overall
i DO NOT read the comics. i just watch marvel movies.
SEe, this guy knows whats up.
I agree, best xmen movie yet.:wgrin:
Yamizaki
05-27-2006, 03:22 AM
The only real inconsistency I found was they that portrayed Juggernaut as a mutant, when in the comics and cartoon (the original FOX one, not that crappy shitty recent Evolution) his powers were based on the Cyttorak gem.
Still, very entertaining with:
1. "...I'm the Juggernaut, BITCH!"
2. "Ya gonna let me outta here? I gotta pee."
3. The scene where Multiple Man dupes the war room scanners by making copies of himself at the campsite.
4. Juggs does a Mortal Kombat Deception style uppercut, if you know about the 2-leveled glass floor stage, you know what I'm talking about
5. Beast dropping all those extras, he was about to explain some diplomatic shit to Wolverine, drops a few more extras and says, "Aww, you get the point."
Awesome movie.
FlyingGuy
05-27-2006, 03:23 AM
http://imdb.com/name/nm0613741/
i was looking at x3 on IMDB.com... and this douche is credited as being Omega Red, can someone get a screenshot of him, cause i think i missed it.
Taito
05-27-2006, 03:43 AM
I'm not watching X3 but somebody in this thread said something to the effect that Jackman's career is screwed.. well he is in danger of being typecast, but he is starring in a crazy scifi flick with Rachel Weisz called The Fountain.. it's the first Jackman movie where I felt that they didn't just cast 'that Wolverine guy' if that makes sense..
https://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thefountain/
Tension
05-27-2006, 03:56 AM
I can't believe some of things I'm reading. If you thought Jugg was a human IN THE MOVIE, then you are a fucking idiot. Let it go. It's not a sequel to the orginal comic. The movies are based off Ultimate X-Men and that shitty X-Men Evolution or else we wouldn't get fucking teenage Rouge, Iceman, and Colossus which doesn't make sense (comic-wise.) This was all establish in the first 2 movies.
Moving on, I thought this was the best X-Men movie so far. Best part of the movie for me was probably the battle at Jean Grey's house. I thought the special effects were used very creatively insted of for the sake of showing thier abilities like in previous movies. Things I didn't like was probably the corny dialouge and the over dramatic ending. The ending should have been more like X-2 and leave some sort of suprise ending so we can speculate what might the X-movie will be about.
amefall
05-27-2006, 06:12 AM
movie was wack
spoilers
fuc beast--pointless in the movie, all he does is poses ethical questions and pounce on fools---they dont even make much of him feeling tore between his role in the government and the fact he is a mutant -which i guess the reason he was in the flick in the first place
fuc angle---i trade all of angel's screen time for a cameo of gambit sayin c'mon mon ami
fuc icemen pryo---who really cares about these chars anyway, even if u do y built up a showdown between the two if their eventually battle is going last about 30secs not even a hot 30 secs when two samurai setle a duel with one dramatic blade stroke jus haddoken action---pryo sud of RCed-i guess more time to kiss wolverine's ass
fuc the script--imho the weakest of the 3, this dealt with pretty tough moral / ethical questions, the subject matter deserved more then the chessey dialogue and cliche moments it got
fuc wolervine---the XMEN isnt the wolverine show, the fact that they make him into the leader type role goes against the naure of the character, marvels best kno loner/rebel char playing a scott summers like position-getthefucouttahere, wats next frank castle going to thearpy, vicious calling spike "lets squash things"----"oh its the movie, not the comic, u sudnt come with those expectations", fucdat, i want wolvie to beast, cycke to lead-first two movies alone set them up to be these type of chars, no tto mention the mythos of the series
i guess i REALLY hated the movie cause u dont get the sense that it was a movie about a team, hell ocean's 11, 12 focues primarily on clooney and pitt but damn the other characters shined tho-the story cud have been written so the stars jackman, berry get their sceen time as well as other characters being shown to be integral to the eventual victory. That right there in my mind goes against the mythos of the xmen and the movie's gravest sin
Rhio2k
05-27-2006, 06:21 AM
But in X3 it almost felt like a mutant audition. Even Magneto asked one mutant: "What's your power?" as if he was prepping an amateur for some porn shoot. OC
Magneto: What's your power?
Girl: No gag reflex whatsoever! See? *gluuuuuh!*
Magneto: *chuckling* Oh, Charles, I like this one...
Eminent
05-27-2006, 06:22 AM
Did anybody else wonder how gay Angel was, I mean on top of that when he saved his father... [Dane Cook]"Thank you angel wearing jean!!!![/Dane Cook]
let me get another thing straight, did this man "fly" from New York to San Fran in under an hour. I mean the blackbird took a while and thats some super jet right? So angel is not only broken, hes gay (broke back maybe?), lastly he has Batmans prep time to know "hey they are going to kill my father, so before I make my next appearance I might as well wait until the last minute after they kill Berus mom and throw my dad off the roof".
And what was with that Transexual looking "shockwave" mutant. Eh yo bloofy, if your reading this then you'll love the last 15 mins of the movie.
The ending should have been more like X-2 and leave some sort of suprise ending so we can speculate what might the X-movie will be about.
You should have stayed after the credits...
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It shows mag @ old ppls home playing chess and then he puts his hat at the chess piece and without touching it moves it alittle....Secondly after that it shows the braindead patient, and then basically hes speaking apparently charles rushed that mans consciousness down.
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RockBogart
05-27-2006, 06:46 AM
If you are comfortable with the first two then you should be fine withe this one. ALL the marvel movies have a lot of continuity problems so the point is mute.
Golden Dragon
05-27-2006, 07:03 AM
That movie was ass. I can't believe the credits + additional scene really were part of the hour 43 minutes. Worst movie of the trilogy, hands down.
1. New characters who didn't serve any purpose thrown in for no reason.
2. Lame explanation of Jean's Phoenix powers. I didn't expect them to use the comic book's explanation, but that shit was still whack. For some reason Jean is still alive and nobody knows why. Professor X makes a guess as to how she might've survived. This muthafucka is only theorizing, mind you. Y'know, it's like his guess is as good as anybody elses. And what's fucked up is nobody attempts to guess otherwise, or questions him. I mean it's never even confirmed whether or not his 'deduction' was correct, and the audience is supposed to just assume that's how she survived.
3. Beast's interest in the the mutant cure was hinted at but never explored
4. Halle Berry.
5. Cyclops dying
6. For once the story doesn't revolve around Wolverine but he still manages to get all the screen time. I love Wolvie just like everyone else, but this time it didn't make sense for him to be in the audience's face all tha fuckin' time.
7. And a whole bunch of cliche'd crap going on in between.
What's kinda' fucked up is that I wasn't able to laugh at the Juggs line, probably 'cuz I was so perplexed/disgusted with what I had been watching up until then.
The general story of the movie just lacked focus. I mean, why didn't they just dedicate the whole movie to the Phoenix Saga, limit the amount of new characters, and perhaps put Magneto on the backburner this one time??? Shit, he's not the only supervillain in the X-Men universe.
And whoever is bitching about the source material being butchered should watch the previous 2 movies. I'm not saying your complaints are unwarranted, but you should know the deal by now if you've seen X-Men 1 & 2. I mean shit, It's not like the series was exactly 'comic book pages come to life' thus far.
Bob the Bastard
05-27-2006, 07:38 AM
He says it in the movie... bullet fuckin tooth tony says it... wow i can't beleive they put it in the movie..
If they some how dubbed the actual voice in it would have been 10x better... funny thing is my WHOLE thearter laughed and knew what it was.
"Don't you know who i am?!!!!?!!!! i'm the juggernaut bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Yes, this was awesome, right after she put him in the ground though, I yelled that shit out. Then he went and said it....
xjester
05-27-2006, 07:43 AM
Im amazed they got that in there on such short notice.
How old is the video?
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 07:45 AM
you're fucken stupid, if you went into x-men 3 expecting good acting, a deep story line and decent dialogue you need to check yourself into a psychward. Didn't you watch the previous movies?
The thing is...the previous movies had somewhat good acting, decent dialogue and the source material although not deep and still a comic book...was better than this.
WTF is wrong with you. X-Men 3 is all about wolverine busting shit up, phoenix vaporizing people, and just good old fashion senseless action and cool characters..... Haven't you seen any comic-book-to-movie flick???
Have any of them had interesting dialogue and good acting? Hulk, Daredevil, Catwoman, Spiderman, X1/X2, Fantastic Four.....Seriously man...when going into watch a comic-book movie you need to be in the right frame of mind.
I don't think that "lowering my expecatations drastically for an entertaining film" constitutes as "the right frame of mind." If I had that ability, I'd be enjoying all sorts of greatness such as Just like Heaven or RV. Comic book adaptions with bad acting and dialogue should not be an absolute equation. Just because there are a lot of bad comic book adaptions and bad films, doesn't mean future films should follow that pattern. Granted comics aren't the most deepest of material at first...but to use 80's action movies as a reference. Where X2 and X1 were the equivalent of Bloodsport, X3 was the equivalent of This film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=best+fight+scene&v=uxkr4wS7XqY)
OC
Bob the Bastard
05-27-2006, 07:47 AM
and psylocke biting it without showing any of her powers... lame.
WTF are you talking bout? Never saw Psylocke in the damn movie...
How they gonna have Multiple Man be a bad guy? Starting someone out who is a good mutant as a bad in the films is way beyond tailoring storylines to fit onscreen....
Geronimo
05-27-2006, 07:58 AM
I thought the dude in the forest was supposed to be Marrow...? Who's supposed to be a chick...*shrugs*...
Anyways, I thought the movie was alright. Better than 1, not as good as 2.
Personally, I think you can see that the movie was rushed.
Oh yeah, and it went by fucking quick. It seriously did not feel like 2+ hrs.
Jus' my $.02.
- Geronimo
P.S. I also missed out on the post-credits scene...but I'm seeing the movie again anyways, so I'll catch it then.
Bob the Bastard
05-27-2006, 07:59 AM
And I wasn't really feeling Phoenix being just a pawn to Magneto. I think the movie should have really dealt a lot more with the character and some crazy showdowns.
Her being a pawn of Mags was a tribute to the Dark Phoenix saga as far as I thought. Instead of Mastermind getting her into the Hellfire Club, Mags got her into the Brotherhood.
So who do we think the really hot chick that could sense mutants and had superspeed was supposed to be? An algamation of characters?
xjester
05-27-2006, 08:00 AM
Ok.
Guy in the woods was Spike from X-Statix.
Look It up.
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 08:05 AM
Her being a pawn of Mags was a tribute to the Dark Phoenix saga as far as I thought. Instead of Mastermind getting her into the Hellfire Club, Mags got her into the Brotherhood.
So who do we think the really hot chick that could sense mutants and had superspeed was supposed to be? An algamation of characters?
Simon Kinberg said it was kinda supposed to be a mix of Callisto+Caliban
In comics, Caliban could sense mutants and callisto did have enhanced senes/reflexes. Problem is they decided to show her as enhanced reflexes as superspeed which was questionable and made everyone think she was supposed to be a male quicksilver, which wasnt the plan.
RockBogart
05-27-2006, 08:06 AM
So who do we think the really hot chick that could sense mutants and had superspeed was supposed to be? An algamation of characters?
yeah the chick who was Callisto had Caliban's and I guess* insert speedy mutant* powers.
xjester
05-27-2006, 08:09 AM
Did anyone else notice the way Phoenix was dressed?
Looked like Scarlet Witch to me, which would go along with Mags wanting her for himself, to kind of be the daughter he never had.
I dont know, just a theory.
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 08:09 AM
WTF are you talking bout? Never saw Psylocke in the damn movie...
How they gonna have Multiple Man be a bad guy? Starting someone out who is a good mutant as a bad in the films is way beyond tailoring storylines to fit onscreen....
They take a lot of shit from the Ultimate X-men continuity, like :
Iceman/Rogue/Kitty relationship
Madrox joins the brotherhood orignally
Juggernaut being a mutant
Magnetos costume
Sacr3D
05-27-2006, 08:14 AM
as a fan of the comics this movie was torture
white shadow
05-27-2006, 08:26 AM
I knew exactly how the movie was going to be like ('cept "I'm the Juggernaut Bitch!":rofl::clap:) and I would expect hardcore fans would too. Why complain about the movie? You deserve to lose your 8 bucks because I don't see how you guys could predict the movie was going to be "godawful" (from trailers and such) but STILL SEE IT?:confused:
Personally I enjoyed the movie, I think the reason Magneto still has his powers is because the several vials of the mutant cure overwhelmed hisbody and cancelled the effect.
BTW did anyone get that "Bruce Campbell/Evil Dead" vibe from Multiple Man? I was hoping he would say "Groovy." lol :lol:
xjester
05-27-2006, 08:28 AM
In the comics, Leech's power was only temporary, meaning that in all likelyhood, the cure would only be temporary.
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 08:31 AM
BTW did anyone get that "Bruce Campbell/Evil Dead" vibe from Multiple Man? I was hoping he would say "Groovy." lol :lol:
I got more of a Ray Liota vibe from him.
OC
Bob the Bastard
05-27-2006, 08:31 AM
They take a lot of shit from the Ultimate X-men continuity, like :
Iceman/Rogue/Kitty relationship
Madrox joins the brotherhood orignally
Juggernaut being a mutant
Magnetos costume
Ah, ok....see I never read Ultimates. Been thinking about stopping with the whole reading comics thing too. Just picking up trades of Fables.
BTW did anyone get that "Bruce Campbell/Evil Dead" vibe from Multiple Man? I was hoping he would say "Groovy." lol :lol:
YES! For a second I thought 'Bizarro Campbell?'
TheDarkPhoenix
05-27-2006, 08:35 AM
If you never read a x-mem comic which are most people, are never played the games the movie will be good/really good to you.
If you any knowledge of the marvel universe then more than likely you'll have issue with it.
All in all it was a good movie, and if i knew nothing about the xmen and phoenix. I would say it was a great movie.
I can only say it was enjoyable for the watch because of so many changes. All in all anyone who says this movie sucked is just being a hater. It is not bad, its just not really "x-men" more of a movie based on the likeness of a few x-men.
I heard someone say its kinda like xmen evoloution...This is very true...Its alot like that.
On a side note...
Also I also felt like they had callisto and Jean kinda play the roll of mags kids. And shockwave as avalanche while having the fat guy kinda as the blob. (making the orginal brother hood )
If anyone read the house of M this movie is much more like house of M than X-men imo...
I still love how they showed off SOME of my girls powers, (loves phoenix) Altho i wanted to see her burst into flame and start speaking and trying to fix what she did at the ends but ah well.
The scene with Phoenix/jean and Logan was hot tho, it really did a good job of showing how much tension there is between the two. ANd how she craves emtional feelings as the dark phoenix. Also they made mags seem kinda like a jerk/cruel dude when he left mystique behind.
Mutipule Man was perfect when he walked out the lil cage and did the smerk "I was like haha that perfect!"
Also they got rogues name wrong!! Its anna marrie
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xjester
05-27-2006, 08:38 AM
If you never read a x-mem comic which are most people, are never played the games the movie will be good/really good to you.
If you any knowledge of the marvel universe then more than likely you'llhae issue with it.
All in all it was a good movie, and if i knew nothing about the xmen and phoenix. I would say it was a great movie.
I can only say it was enjoyable for the watch because of so many changes. All in all anyone who says thhis movie sucked is just being a hater. It is not bad, its just not really "x-men" more of a movie based on the likeness of a few x-men.
I heard someone say its kinda like xmen evoloution...This is very true...Its alot like that.
Also I also felt like the had callisto and Jean kinda play the room of mags kids. And shockwave as avalanche while having the fat guy kinda as the blob.
If anyone read the house of M this movie is much more like house of M than X-men imo...
I still love how they should of my girls powers. Altho i wanted to see her burst into flame and start speaking and trying to fix what she did at the ends but ah well.
The scene with Phoenix and jean was hot tho, it really did a good job of showing how much tension there is between the two. Also they made mags seem kinda like a jerk/cruel dude when he left mystique behind.
Mutipule Man was perfect when he walked out the lil cage and did the smerk "I was like haha that oerfect!"
Actualy, the fat guy who made himself skiny was Phat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phat_(comics)
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 08:45 AM
Also I also felt like they had callisto and Jean kinda play the roll of mags kids. And shockwave as avalanche while having the fat guy kinda as the blob. (making the orginal brother hood )
Also they got rogues name wrong!! Its anna marrie
the "Prince look-look alike was actually Arclight, an obscure member of the Marauders who had similar powers to Avalanche. They prolly just wanted a female+nonwhite char for quota or something,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arclight_(comics)
Cletus Kasady
05-27-2006, 09:09 AM
SPOILERS EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO BE EXPECTING THAT THIS LATE IN A MOVIE THREAD THERE WILL LIKELY BE SPOILERS
I personally don't take issue with them straying from comic continuity so long as it's consistent with the other movies. I thought it was really good, save for Emo Cyclops; it's almost like they thought letting him have stuble and take a motorcycle up the Lake would make him more like Wolverine, but it failed miserably so they just decided to kill him.
On another note, was anybody else watching Wolverine react to Prof. X exploding and drawing parallels to the phone booth scene in Anchorman after Jack Black punts Baxter off a bridge?
Don Knotts
05-27-2006, 09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=best+fight+scene&v=uxkr4wS7XqY
This makes life's toil all worth while. Thank you OC.
As for the movie, it was much like Land of the Dead, or The Hulk movie. Very un even. The good parts are great, I'd say even the best in the trilogy. The worst parts are like the worst takes, just terrible acting, unconvincing, boring, and limp.
Keep in mind, I think the other two movies are not that great either. The first one had terrible fight scenes, and was only good beacause it for the most part, it did not try to be a "superhero" movie. It took the characters seriously and did not force them to fight, use their powers, or talk about big wold changing issues of sci-fi oriented nonsense.
The second was more of a "superhero" movie, still had good characterization, but was rather lacking in terms of notablitity.
Last Stand is much more notable than the first two, that's for sure. It's just that sometimes, it's notabley retarded and awful.
ytwojay
05-27-2006, 10:04 AM
"I want to touch people"[/Rogue]
xjester
05-27-2006, 10:05 AM
I want to touch Rouge.
DaDesiCanadian
05-27-2006, 10:16 AM
you're fucken stupid, if you went into x-men 3 expecting good acting, a deep story line and decent dialogue you need to check yourself into a psychward. Didn't you watch the previous movies?
WTF is wrong with you. X-Men 3 is all about wolverine busting shit up, phoenix vaporizing people, and just good old fashion senseless action and cool characters..... Haven't you seen any comic-book-to-movie flick???
Have any of them had interesting dialogue and good acting? Hulk, Daredevil, Catwoman, Spiderman, X1/X2, Fantastic Four.....Seriously man...when going into watch a comic-book movie you need to be in the right frame of mind.
movie was fucken awsome. you simply fail at watching movies and your expectations are unrealistic
I fail for expecting a decent movie. Right. I like almost every single movie I see. It is hard for a movie to dissapoint me. Hell, I liked Ultraviolet. But this movie was just a shitfest. Spiderman, Hulk, Punisher, X1/X2, Batman Begins, all were good movies. Most were good action flicks, with some decent dialogue. Get your fanboy head out of your ass, and realize that even a movie with the X-Men which you seem to love so much can suck. X3 is in the same category as Fantastic Four and Catwoman. Garbage.
MagnuScruB
05-27-2006, 10:58 AM
I like the guy regrowing his arms fighting wolvie. also, the scorpion fight in the forrest was cool.
I guess no one else saw stan lee in the movie. he is in the first 2min of the movie. kitty was sexy also.
by the way, you guys see the snakes on a plane trailer in your theater? people acutally were laughing at loud at A. Jackson. poor guy man, this movie....
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 11:00 AM
I fail for expecting a decent movie. Right. I like almost every single movie I see.
It was a decent movie, for other reasons besides 'dialogue and acting' you moron.
It is hard for a movie to dissapoint me. Hell, I liked Ultraviolet. But this movie was just a shitfest. Spiderman, Hulk, Punisher, X1/X2, Batman Begins, all were good movies. Most were good action flicks, with some decent dialogue.
I agree with batman begins....but wtf hulk?:confused: it had some of the worst acting/dialogue ever in a comic-book movie. So freaken fabricated and forced.
Ya, you are messed up. And X3 was better than the first and second, you need to have ur head examined.
Get your fanboy head out of your ass, and realize that even a movie with the X-Men which you seem to love so much can suck. X3 is in the same category as Fantastic Four and Catwoman. Garbage.
Im no fanboy, hell I didn't really like the first 2 that much, I was expecting a mediocre movie with recycled action. But it was a decent movie with sweet action.
X3 tops batman begins easy and spiderman...
suleman
05-27-2006, 11:41 AM
Stan Lee was holding the water hose while little jean did her thing.
Dreaded Fist
05-27-2006, 11:59 AM
X3 tops batman begins easy and spiderman...
X3 might not be as bad as some people say but no way is it better than Batman Begins and Spiderman.
KaKaRoTtE
05-27-2006, 12:02 PM
Snip
Co-sign. I enjoyed the movie for what it was. I wasn't expecting it to follow the comics, only to follow the previous movies.
Although, I do think the special effects weren't as good as they could've been. I still enjoyed it though.
:tup:
voodazz
05-27-2006, 12:07 PM
I don't get all this "Kitty is soooo fookin' hawt" crap. She looked like she was 10 years old! There was nothing remotely attractive about her.
I've heard of Team Jailbait, but this is more like Jailbait XTREME!!
haha... I spelled it with an "X". I'm so clever.
I was impressed with he rubber juggy suit. It was extremely detailed, right down to the veins, for a minute there I thought ol bullet tooth did some massive bulking up for this movie. I also liked the way he beat the piss outta Logan.
Another thing I liked about this movie is how they handled Magneto's and Wolvie's powers. In the first two movies Mags seemed a little underpowered, but in this one he was truly a beast. (Golden Gate Bridge ownage, ftw).
In the first two movies, Wolverine's healing power was a joke. Seemed like he got knocked out every other scene, but in this movie his healing factor was crazy fast, I'm talking bone wolverine fast.
Btw, wtf was phoenix doing to those people?? Was she vaporizing them? Was she turning them to dust, ala War of the Worlds? It looked like she was digitizing them or something, thus making it look pretty weak to me.
Human Mystique is HAWT... to hell with that Kitty bullshit.
Angel did rep the gayness. My god, did you see that fruity run toward the window he did?? I couldn't help but laugh out loud.
Oh and I also found it hard to believe that he flew across the country as quickly as he did. It would've been more believable if he stowed away on the Black bird.
Personally I liked the "Resident Evil zombie Phoenix" look and yeah, I'd still hit it hard and fast!
Callisto was HAWT. Again, to hell with that Kitty bullshit.
I loved the Magneto/Pyro combo attacks.
I cried out "NOOOO!" when Berooz's mom got shanked by porcupine-boy.
Was that asian chick really Psylocke? Pretty weak sauce if it was.
Overall, I liked this movie. 'nuff said.
Agmaster
05-27-2006, 12:15 PM
blah blah blah filler ...enhanced reflexes as superspeed which was questionable and made everyone think she was supposed to be a male quicksilver, which wasnt the plan.
i chuckled
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 12:46 PM
X3 might not be as bad as some people say but no way is it better than Batman Begins and Spiderman.
I think batman was a 'better movie' as fast as acting and production goes, but i was simply more entertained with X3....spiderman was good too, all 3 were good
and ya, kitty was teh hot:sweat: :sweat:
but human mystique and devil-jean were hotter
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 12:51 PM
Angel did rep the gayness. My god, did you see that fruity run toward the window he did?? I couldn't help but laugh out loud.
For some odd reason, the guy sitting beside me busted a guy laughing when Angel unveiled his wings. I guess it was just too EMO for them to see it.
OC
The D Man
05-27-2006, 01:11 PM
The Callisto/Caliban thing is kinda weird. When the cast was being announced way before the movie came out, I remember someone posting a picture of somebody (I'm guessing it was Dania Ramirez, the one who played Caliban) to play the role of M.
If anybody knows, M is a mutant who actually has superspeed, super strength, telepathy etc. So that would have fit the bill better than Callisto or whatever.
9TNine
05-27-2006, 01:23 PM
Wait, where the fuck was Psylocke and Jubilee?
I was stuck sitting in the front row, so I didn't get to see everything so well.
Sad that the first thing I thought of when I saw Sentinal was ROCKET PUNCH!
EDIT: Nevermind, figured out Psylocke. The whole walking though the wall/chameleon thing she did didn't seem like her though. According to some interview with the actress though she "could turn into a shadow"
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fluffy-sama
05-27-2006, 01:34 PM
this movie was absolutely OWNAGE. >.>;; and I don't know shit about X-men or nothin'. Juggernaut got all the best lines, and he only had like 3!!! roflmao...
I'M DA JUGGERNAUT BIIIITTCHHHHH XDDDDDDDDDDD
I laughed so hard people were actually commenting "it wasn't THAT funny" but they just didn't get it.. I think me and Clever were the only people in the theatre who got it roflroflrofl
Does he actually say that "i'm the juggernaut bitch" in the comic, or did it start with that dub thing?
9TNine
05-27-2006, 01:43 PM
Does he actually say that "i'm the juggernaut bitch" in the comic, or did it start with that dub thing?
Dub thing.
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ViciousSLASH
05-27-2006, 01:58 PM
Did anyone else notice Magneto's main power was to throw cars ?
All he did was throw cars, and bridge surf, but that was just that one time.
The movie was full of puns, puns upon puns, it was PUN's of FUN ! OMG !
BBCampbell
05-27-2006, 01:58 PM
First off, I saw the "Juggernaut Bitch" thing on YouTube. Not funny. Fucking retarded.
My take on this movie: Visually great, but lacking depth.
It's like MvC2 where filling the screen with all kinds of random shit is called deep and technical.
TheSix
05-27-2006, 02:09 PM
Ending was gay.
They pissed on Juggs.
They did not know WTF they wanted to do with all the characters. Just like Mortal Kombat Annhilation.
Rouge was overdressed.
Kitty made me feel (even more) like a pedo.
And yes, some people obviously knew they jugg quote. When it finally starts to die down around the net....here comes this fuckin' movie. Half the people didn't know WTF was so funny.
Rodimus
05-27-2006, 02:21 PM
i liked the movie, thought it was quite entertaining. The whole time we were saying don'tcha know who i am..lol
our crowd was good they/we all said i'm the juggernaut bitch...lol
the only bad thing was there were so many mutants and it was hard for everybody to get shine time. i wish they would've shown multiple man fighting. seeing psylocke at the begining and the end was okay-
overall the effects were cool, i give it an 7.5/10
BBCampbell
05-27-2006, 02:27 PM
Ellen Page is 20 (who just looks 14), so it's all good.
Anna Paquin was barely in this movie (which is just as well because she's gotten fat. Her face was hella chunky in this one.)
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 02:28 PM
Did anyone else notice Magneto's main power was to throw cars ?
All he did was throw cars, and bridge surf, but that was just that one time.
The movie was full of puns, puns upon puns, it was PUN's of FUN ! OMG !
I also felt that the movie seemed to have ripped/borrowed/stolen/rehashed concepts from previous to films.
X1 Magneto flipping over cop cars 30 feet in the air + X2 Pryo sending flaming cop cars vertical 30 feet in the air = Pyro with Magneto Car Toss Assist.
X1 Magneto: We are the future Charles, Not them!
X2 Magneto: You are a god among insects never forget that. (Might as well say "We are gods among insects".)
X3 Magento: I say we are the cure!
OC
MADDK
05-27-2006, 02:28 PM
where was nightcrawler?!!?!!
i like the movie overall but i probably woulda liked it even if it sucked ass just cause im a huge fan of xmen. i can understand how some people would say it had flaws, and its obvious that it did have a few. but visually, it was pretty good. i still enjoyed it since it was totally not from the comics all of it was new to me. my only big complaint is that all the badguys were **** and had stupid ass powers liek that porcupine guy and that "girl" that looked like a *** that clapped and broke those plastic guns
Superking
05-27-2006, 02:33 PM
where was nightcrawler?!!?!!
Apparently, Alan Cumming, the actor that played Nightcrawler in X2, hated all the makeup used for NC, so he asked not to be in X3, but he did do the voice over for Nightcrawler in the X-Men The Movie game.
Irennicus
05-27-2006, 02:45 PM
I liked the movie.
I didn't like Nightcrawler in X2, I thought the accent was too cheesey. It's sad, because he's probably my favorite mutant in the X-Men universe. It's those same reasons that I'm glad they didn't put Gambit in this movie. I'd have expected them to fuck up a Cajun accent even doubly-so.
fluffy-sama
05-27-2006, 02:48 PM
I still can't believe they put that line in the movie. XDDDDD whoever wrote that show is my hero... omg i laughed so hard...
>.>; and I thought that dub thing was actually pretty funny.
I wasn't really concerned with depth or storyline, I just wanted to see (mostly) if Juggernaut actually finished the line XDD but even so, not knowing much about x-men I still enjoyed the show a lot... Guess I didn't feel like thinking too much and just wanted to see people smash things and throw cars and shit.
dn3000
05-27-2006, 02:59 PM
I liked the movie.
I didn't like Nightcrawler in X2, I thought the accent was too cheesey. It's sad, because he's probably my favorite mutant in the X-Men universe. It's those same reasons that I'm glad they didn't put Gambit in this movie. I'd have expected them to fuck up a Cajun accent even doubly-so.
Hmm i thought crawler was badass in x2....well in the first segment. as an introduction to the character it was fine as well as the german accent.
HaiDuongRiceMan
05-27-2006, 05:21 PM
So uh, anyone wanna enlighten teh nub (me) on the Juggernaught quote?
And I could have sworn I saw the trademark Nightcrawler disappearing smoke shit during the part where Magneto calls all his "pawn" assists.
Ragetowersrage
05-27-2006, 05:24 PM
So uh, anyone wanna enlighten teh nub (me) on the Juggernaught quote?
And I could have sworn I saw the trademark Nightcrawler disappearing smoke shit during the part where Magneto calls all his "pawn" assists.
Yea that was just some random guy wiht the same powers. Nothing to get excited about, shame NC wasnt in the movie
iamtrung
05-27-2006, 05:56 PM
The Phoenix story did not follow. Everyone dies so I guess there will be some time traveling in X4.
ImMrDurp
05-27-2006, 06:26 PM
I guess I'm not with the majority - I enjoyed the movie. 4/5.
The Damned
05-27-2006, 06:34 PM
They did not know WTF they wanted to do with all the characters. Just like Mortal Kombat Annhilation.
I know it's been said before about the character thing, but I guess that I'll use this part of TheSix's quote because the Mortal Kombat Annhilation analogy is rather good about part of what makes me unsure of where I stand about this movie. (That, and I haven't seen seen XXX, so I can't tell how accurate OC likely was with his metaphors.)
Anyway, the character deaths in this made me feel rather uncomfortable. Even counting the ending, you know whose supposed death--the death that no one even cries over on-screen--really bugged me in particular. However, I'll go into that a bit later.
There was also the annoyance of a lot of seemingly unnecessary (minor) character deaths on the villian side, primarly at the hands of Phoenix--is there even a need to call her "Dark Phoenix" when movie Phoenix is desire incarnate and thus essentially a "dark"/"evil" hedonist whenever she flips out to that mode? I mean not counting those (temporarily) cured (and that's assumed that Magneto isn't an anomaly AND he gets all of his powers back), if they are going to make (read: screw up at this point) another movie, what interesting villians are left?
Storm OVERKILLED Callisto's ass with a needless, "grand" display of her electrical powers like OC implied. Quill, Arclight, and "Psylocke" got vaporized by Tetsu...er Phoenix. Mystique is powerless. And since none of the other (mutant) villians from X1 returned (did Toad actually die? Was it because of Halle's infamously horrible line?), that means that the villians likely have to be human like in X2.
I suppose that makes sense given all this showing of the Trask character and the President's willingness to start a (civil) war, but I'd feel better if we didn't just have Magneto (again, assuming he's an anomaly), Pyro (assuming that he limped away before Jean started using atomic bitch-slaps on everyone), Jamie (who wasn't really a much of character and more of a power display...though perhaps it worked it Jamie's case) and maybe Juggernaut (assuming that he survived Jean pummeling the building with her unlimited mind) as potential villians for X4: Origins of The Search for More Money.
That said, I want turn back to one of the main reasons why I'm not sure whether I stand on "this movie was crap" or "this movie was average" side. Besides the unevenness, the unnecessary trunucations (which are from necessary changes, like making Juggernaut a mutant whose isn't Charles' stepbrother), the corny dialouge and acting at times, and the general lack of character development, I was pissed off that, as I expected...well, someone else has already said it better:
movie was wack
fuc wolervine---the XMEN isnt the wolverine show, the fact that they make him into the leader type role goes against the naure of the character, marvels best kno loner/rebel char playing a scott summers like position-getthefucouttahere, wats next frank castle going to thearpy, vicious calling spike "lets squash things"----"oh its the movie, not the comic, u sudnt come with those expectations", fucdat, i want wolvie to beast, cycke to lead-first two movies alone set them up to be these type of chars, no tto mention the mythos of the series
I haven't read comics in general in this past year because of my freshman year of college, so perhaps I've been left with the bad test of Maddrox Wolverine™ having been every for the better part of the 21st century, but seeing Wolverine as now the official main character somewhat disgusted me.
Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against Hugh Jackman—he seems quite likable, kind of like Bruce Campbell—or his portrayal of Wolverine (since most that can be blamed on the script if there are problems and he’s one of the seemingly better actors, like McKellen or Stewart; wish I could say the same for Berry and Paquin, but I’m digressing). It’s just that as “awesomely cool” as Wolverine is found to be by some people, that’s has to wear out over time. For people like myself who don’t really like Wolverine’s character all that much in the first place, well….
*sigh*
I guess it was only a problem for people into comics like someone said earlier, since those the masses don’t read comics and don’t have to worry about having Wolverine in 11 comics per month; they thusly don’t have to scratch their heads about continuity either…or horrible arcs (ye gods, I just reminded myself of “God Loves, Man Kills II” in “X-Treme X-Men”…the horrible art re-burns my mind’s eye).
*another sigh*
…I hate the masses.
I’ll stop though, since we all know horribly I digress and how I somehow manage to “talk to myself” by now.
P.S. Of all the plot holes, did anyone find it so damned weird characters able to get around so easily? So…Iceman manages to get to SF before Rogue, who leaves the night before, despite the fact that he seemingly, somehow, went alone? Okay….? If Magneto’s “troops” were so close to SF, as I suspect, then similarly, how did Wolverine get across the country on a bike so quickly? Even if it was the course of a week…is possible to go from wherever in New England the mansion is to somewhere that’s a day’s walk within SF?
And hell, that’s even assuming that Magneto was near SF? If not, then we have to assume that problems lie with Pyro’s terrorist attack on an SF facility and Magneto moving that many people to SF so quickly.
Gah. I give up. Especially since I just reminded myself when Magneto moved the bridge, it seemed like it suddenly turned dark.
P.P.S. The girl that played Kitty is 20. I should check imdb, since that doesn’t seem write. Then again, I’ve seen older people look much younger then they are, but they’ve generally been Asian. And that Ashmore boy (and his twin brother) are like 26 or something.
Movie casting is weird when you know the facts….
Oh, Yeah EDIT: I can't be the only person that found the "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" line forced and not funny while knowing the source of it, can I?
Similarly, did anyone else think of Akira when Jean started tearing shit up?
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 06:37 PM
The Phoenix story did not follow. Everyone dies so I guess there will be some time traveling in X4.
The thing is, we don't actually see Scott/Cyclops die. If anything it kinda looked like he was being posessed by the black markings that Jean was infecting him with during the kiss. Jean is the Pheonix so I doubt that being a class 5 mutant that her sub-concious side would allow the body to perish like that at all. And Xavier, well just pay attention to the thing after the credits. DUM DUM DUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMM.
This isn't to say they aren't dead, but it seems more like a not so clever ploy to just get rid of some actors who are tired of the franchise and possibly bring them back with other actors in the future if ever needed.
OC
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Similarly, did anyone else think of Akira when Jean started tearing shit up?
You're not alone.
In fact, John Bruno, the FX head of the film, cited Akira as the influence for that scene in an online chat.
The Damned
05-27-2006, 06:48 PM
You're not alone.
In fact, John Bruno, the FX head of the film, cited Akira as the influence for that scene in an online chat.
Interesting.
What scene are we talking about though? I was talking about the initial scene because I kept calling her "Tetsuo" in the back of my head anytime she went postal. I'm currently assuming that you mean the end seen though, when she really went apeshit on existence.
P.S. Oh, and nice Sinister avatar. Good to see that someone used that great picture of Sinister from Wikipedia.
Zephyranthes
05-27-2006, 06:53 PM
Superb post, TheDamned. I think I pretty much agree with all the points you made. Great observations.
It's just sad that they pussified Cyclops again. I only watched X-Men once, back when it came out, and I don't remember him doing much in that movie. X2, I watched that maybe 3 times. And Cyclops didn't do jack in that movie, except lose two fights and get brainwashed. He might have also had one line of dialogue in X2, when he shook off the brainwashing and said, "Jean?"
But damn... X-Men 3, there was no Cyclops love whatsoever. I just don't get it. I can sort of understand that he isn't exactly a "fan favorite." And I'll admit, for years I hated Cyclops, solely due to the horrible voice actor who portrayed him the '90s X-Men cartoon. I don't think I started even respecting Cyclops until I finally played some Capcom games and heard him say, "Optic Blast!" and "Gene Splice!" and "Cyclone Kick!" and "I did it!"
But damn it! Over the years, after reading great X-Men stories, it's obvious that Cyclops IS the X-Men. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, the living embodiment of everything for which the X-Men stand. Cyclops is to the X-Men what Captain America is to... Uh. America. Or something.
The point is, trying to force Wolverine into being the moral center of the X-Men is just plain wrong. It makes the movie not feel like an X-Men movie. Hmm, I should sue Fox for false advertising.
TheSix
05-27-2006, 06:57 PM
But damn it! Over the years, after reading great X-Men stories, it's obvious that Cyclops IS the X-Men. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, the living embodiment of everything for which the X-Men stand. Cyclops is to the X-Men what Captain America is to... Uh. America. Or something.
Chuckle*** :rofl: :arazz:
OrangeCat
05-27-2006, 07:07 PM
I know it's been said before about the character thing, but I guess that I'll use this part of TheSix's quote because the Mortal Kombat Annhilation analogy is rather good about part of what makes me unsure of where I stand about this movie. (That, and I haven't seen seen XXX, so I can't tell how accurate OC likely was with his metaphors.)
I'll spare you the pain of ever wondering about the film and just supply you with quotes from said film:
Darius Stone: Wars come and go, but my soldier stay eternal.
Agent Augustus Gibbons: I like that. Who said it? Jefferson? Patton?
Darius Stone: Tupac.
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Darius Stone: The fate of the free world in the hands of a bunch of hustlers and thieves.
Agent Kyle Steele: Why should tonight be any different?
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[after he kills Charlie]
Agent Augustus Gibbons: See? I told you you should've killed that bitch.
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[after he kills Charlie]
Agent Augustus Gibbons: I told you you shoulda killed that bitch!
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Gen. George Octavius Deckert: He's only one man. What can one man do?
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Darius Stone: Welcome to the first tank-jackin' in history.
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Darius Stone: [Darius is speaking to Lola, a car shop owner and his ex-girlfriend, about the need for a new truck] Besides, if we're gonna roll, we're gonna need something with a little more muscle. Somethin' nasty.
Lola Jackson: [smirks] I can do nasty.
Darius Stone: [smiles at Lola] I know you can.
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Darius Stone: [to Toby] We need firepower. Do you have anything that shoots bullets?
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Darius Stone: [Darius is waiting for Toby to hack into the Dept. of Defense at Lola's car shop. Lola is waiting with them] You know, you don't have to wait up.
Lola Jackson: You think I'd leave you alone with my car?
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Zeke: [repeated] If its got wheels, we can jack it.
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[Deckert quotes Jefferson to justify his actions the President]
Gen. George Octavius Deckert: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots."
President James Sanford: "... and tyrants." *That's* the *end* of the quote.
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[the President punches Cobb, but is quickly restrained]
Gen. George Octavius Deckert: Feels good, doesn't it? To get your hands dirty?
President James Sanford: Fuck you.
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Lola Jackson: Did the President just quote Tupac?
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Darius Stone: How's the jaw, General?
Gen. George Octavius Deckert: I think of you every time I chew steak!
Darius Stone: And I thought of you every night I spent in prison!
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Uptight Businessman: You got any advice for us?
Darius Stone: Well, Dick, perhaps you could tell your members to stop buyin' country music, stop burnin' crosses, and stop shootin' black folks. Hear me? Now, if that don't work, try a cookout with free food. Preferably fried.
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Darius Stone: The things I can't do for my country.
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Toby Lee Shavers: You want me to hack in? Into The U.S. Department of Defense? We're talking 500 acres of hardware. Cray supercomputers, encryption chips, not to mention more firewalls than the NSA, CIA and the IRS combined.
Darius Stone: Exactly.
[hands his bag of chips to Lola]
Toby Lee Shavers: Hold my chips.
The Damned
05-27-2006, 07:09 PM
Superb post, TheDamned. I think I pretty much agree with all the points you made. Great observations. *snip*
Thanks, I'm surprised that it was coherent enough.
However, it's not like any of it was original, since it was mostly me agreeing with OrangeCat, ytwojay, and TheSix since I usually tend to agree with them.
Hell, you reminded that I honestly can't remember Cyclops talking in X2. Similarly, I don't really remind him talking that much in X1 either.
Ugh. Maybe this is why we won't be seeing Marsden in X4 besides the potential "not so clever" character replacement technique known as "death" like OC stated: He's too tired of his character getting screwed over and not even given a chance, especially if an initially secondary comic book character like Storm can have bitch of an actress ask and demand for more.
...And he seemed like such a nice guy too, but maybe that's because he never gets to talk even outside the movie.
The point is, trying to force Wolverine into being the moral center of the X-Men is just plain wrong. It makes the movie not feel like an X-Men movie. Hmm, I should sue Fox for false advertising.
You totally should.
If that European guy can try and sue about the fraud that is Christ, then you have a shot. Especially since everyone knows how inept Fox is and has something to be annoyed at them over.
(Bring back Wonder Falls you sons of bitches!)
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 07:23 PM
Superb post, TheDamned. I think I pretty much agree with all the points you made. Great observations.
And I'll admit, for years I hated Cyclops, solely due to the horrible voice actor who portrayed him the '90s X-Men cartoon. I don't think I started even respecting Cyclops until I finally played some Capcom games and heard him say, "Optic Blast!" and "Gene Splice!" and "Cyclone Kick!" and "I did it!"
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you do realize that the 90's voice Actor DID the voice for XVSF and other Vs games
:confused:
Taito
05-27-2006, 07:33 PM
What the fuck was this D+ Internet fan fiction bullshit I just watched? Too many complaints to list
I thought it was good, i think they put the fight with sent in there to be a clue that the next movie might have sents in it. Or maybe Mr.Sinister. Who knows.
but ya i dont think Scott is dead.
MagnuScruB
05-27-2006, 07:44 PM
dam, looks like x3 met up to its expectations in numbers.
x1 made 200mil, x2 made 300mil, x3 is suppose to make 350-400
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/Xmen.php
according to that site, the first day already made what x1 made its first weekend.
Zephyranthes
05-27-2006, 07:52 PM
you do realize that the 90's voice Actor DID the voice for XVSF and other Vs games
:confused:
Yeah. Coming to terms with that fact helped me begin the long and often treacherous journey on the road to being a staunch Cyclops supporter.
The Damned
05-27-2006, 07:56 PM
I thought it was good, i think they put the fight with sent in there to be a clue that the next movie might have sents in it. Or maybe Mr.Sinister. Who knows.
Ugh. You just reminded me of another plot hole:
How do they even know what Sentinels look like? AFAIK, there hasn't been any allusion to Sentinels on-screen and there definitely haven't been any appearances by "real" ones, especially given the fact that I personally remind Trask being in the movies before X3. (It's possibly though, given that I haven't watched X1 or X2 in a while.)
You would think that it would kind of be important....
but ya i dont think Scott is dead.
Even if he isn't, as Zephyrantes implied, he might as well be. He's a non-entity, especially compared to what he should be.
Dead or not, his absence allowed for Wolverine to become the de facto leader, despite the fact that Xavier appointed Storm (which even Xavier said screwed over Scott).
*sigh*
Poor, poor Cyclops; he didn't even get bang Emma.
Taito
05-27-2006, 08:04 PM
Ugh. You just reminded me of another plot hole:
How do they even know what Sentinels look like? AFAIK, there hasn't been any allusion to Sentinels on-screen and there definitely haven't been any appearances by "real" ones, especially given the fact that I personally remind Trask being in the movies before X3. (It's possibly though, given that I haven't watched X1 or X2 in a while.)
Then it's probably a good idea that they never really showed the 'Sentinel' on camera. Yeah it was amateurish fanservice bullshit, like the entire movie, but I think it was handled pretty well if they absolutely had to cram in a Sentinel cameo.
white shadow
05-27-2006, 08:28 PM
Interesting.
What scence are we talking about though? I was talking about the initial scene because I kept calling her "Tetsuo" in the back of my head anytime she went postal. I'm currently assuming that you mean the end seen though, when she really went apeshit on existence.
P.S. Oh, and nice Sinister avatar. Good to see that someone used that great picture of Sinister from Wikipedia.
I actually did yell "TETSUO!!!" in the end scene. :rofl: Fortunately the cacophony made others not notice me.:razzy:
Ouroborus
05-27-2006, 08:37 PM
the movie was alright.
pros: "im the juggernaut bitch!" line
cons: wayy too much inconsistentcy, even more so than the first two movie. they try to cram too many characters in and a lot of them didnt get enough air time.
the first two movies were much better.
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 08:40 PM
the movie was alright.
pros: "im the juggernaut bitch!" line
cons: wayy too much inconsistentcy, even more so than the first two movie. they try to cram too many characters in and a lot of them didnt get enough air time.
the first two movies were much better.
you fail at movie critique, stick to your day job
x3 > x 1 and 2
inconsistency? pfft
The Damned
05-27-2006, 08:44 PM
Then it's probably a good idea that they never really showed the 'Sentinel' on camera. Yeah it was amateurish fanservice bullshit, like the entire movie, but I think it was handled pretty well if they absolutely had to cram in a Sentinel cameo.
True.
Still a plothole, even if it's fanservice. As evidenced in the other two movies and even sometimes in this one, you don't need to make plotholes to have tributes or allude to things.
I actually did yell "TETSUO!!!" in the end scene. :rofl: Fortunately the cacophony made others not notice me.:razzy:
Fool! You know you're supposed to yell "KANEDA!!!" instead.
Zephyranthes
05-27-2006, 08:50 PM
Hmm, y'know what, I did a google search on James Marsden and Cyclops. I came across an old article that mentions how Cyclops would have a reduced role in X-Men 3 because Marsden was gonna go film Superman with Bryan Singer.
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/584/584997p1.html
Note the date on the article, however. So I don't know what the deal is, but I guess it would be fair to say that Hollywood cut Cyclops' balls off.
white shadow
05-27-2006, 08:56 PM
Fool! You know you're supposed to yell "KANEDA!!!" instead.
Actually my friend said "KANEDA!!!" too.:rofl:
BTW did you see any resemblance to Bruce Campbell from Multiple Man Damned?
My only REAL problem with the movie was the fact that the trailers hinted at a HUGE GLOBAL WAR and it was only a relatively minor centralized conflict. 'Tetsu... er Phoenix' mellowed me out with her onscreen destruction nonetheless..:wonder:
HaiDuongRiceMan
05-27-2006, 08:59 PM
Can someone explain the Jugg quote for me? >.<
TheSix
05-27-2006, 09:00 PM
"Nigga I don't sell hoes I sell candy, can't you see my fuckin outfit? Im a part time stripper and I do hair....WTF is wrong with you?"
That would have been the better quote for me.
4neqs
05-27-2006, 09:02 PM
The Phoenix story did not follow. Everyone dies so I guess there will be some time traveling in X4.
Heh, I want Cable/Apoc in X4 should it be made, too. Or at least real Sentinels and not the disappointing Danger Room one.
godrifle
05-27-2006, 09:23 PM
Umm... Can you guys believe that the Transexual guy... (the one next to asian spikes and psylocke) is actually a girl? My girlfriend told me she's met her in person, the transexual is a model and apparently from what she told me, she has a nice...body?
SRK must investigate.
And someone here said that if you don't know shit about X-men, you'll like this movie? Not true, I've got myself and two other people off the top of my head to proove you wrong...
Other than MVC2 I don't know shit about x-men and I think this movie sucked.
Pimp Willy
05-27-2006, 09:25 PM
I fail for expecting a decent movie. Right. I like almost every single movie I see. It is hard for a movie to dissapoint me. Hell, I liked Ultraviolet. But this movie was just a shitfest. Spiderman, Hulk, Punisher, X1/X2, Batman Begins, all were good movies. Most were good action flicks, with some decent dialogue. Get your fanboy head out of your ass, and realize that even a movie with the X-Men which you seem to love so much can suck. X3 is in the same category as Fantastic Four and Catwoman. Garbage.
Wait...
you say Hulk is a decent movie, but then go on to say F4 and X3 were garbage? Are you kidding me? Hulk was terrible, F4 was enjoyable, and X3 was great.
In my opinion, a movie doesn't have to be a slave to it's source material (see: Harry Potter 3 and 4, X3, F4, Spiderman) to be good. In fact, I give them props for taking their own view of the X-men, and giving it to us in film. Want the old stories, the old characters, the old everything? Go read the old stuff. Much like Ultimate brought us a new take on the old stuff, so did this movie. So did X2, X1, Spiderman, Spiderman 2... you get the idea.
To everyone hating on this movie like you're Magneto opposing the human race, what exactly was so bad? Does having too many characters crammed into the movie really kill it? Because they tossed the Stepford Cuckoos (who most of you probably have no idea who they are) in the background of one hallway scene, does that mean the movie now sucks because we didn't get to develop them? Or because "Psylocke" showed up and was killed off without doing a fucking thing? Or maybe because we didn't see magneto do anything new with his powers? Fuck no. The movie was fine.
Except Rogue... they sure know how to fuck over that character in the movies : /
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 09:27 PM
IMO, sinister would be the best choice, even with "realist" approach theyve been using. They could just call him Essex.
MAybe he could find cyclops , stumbling around injured near Alkali lake , and experiment on him in one of his labs or something. They could have Marauders/Nasty Boys be the "cannon fodder thugs" role.
and bring in Gambit, Emma/Psylocke to the team, and flesh out colossus more.
Team being:
Gambit
Emma/Psylocke
Iceman(with ice-sliding)
Kitty
Colossus
Rogue(since the cure is shown as being temporary to MAgnus, she may regain powers)
Beast/Cyclops(whoever they get back) as the "adult" char if Jackman/Berry dont come back.
Xavier(if stewart returns)
you fail at movie critique, stick to your day job
x3 > x 1 and 2
inconsistency? pfft
I just wanted to quote this laughable comment here.
I find this rather funny. I really do. This coming from the same person that said X3 is better than Batman Begins. You're a fool to think that. I don't care how they do it, why they do it, and what they do with it. But, if it has a shitload of inconsistencies then its just not cool.
And I can really go into a Batman Begins vs. X3: Compare and Contrast ordeal here. But since we're talking X3, we're gonna stick to the topic.
X3 was a 'fun' movie to watch. It wasn't something that I was expecting to be good firsthand. I knew it had more potential to suck compared to the other 2 X-flicks. X2 felt a helluva lot more like "The Last Stand" than X3 did. X3 was more of a "oh shit! Jean lost her brain. she's gonna go kill her some mutants and evaporate some humans! QUICK! Summon Magneto and a bunch of other mutants that we have to throw into a 90 minute flick!"
Thats not fun to watch. Wanna know why Batman Begins and Spidey are so much better than the X-flicks? They take the time to develop the characters between the action scenes. They flesh it out a lot more than Wolverine: The Movie. Because thats all X3 was. Wolvie: The Quest For More Screen Time.
But, like I mentioned in my initial X3 post: as seperate entities X3 is good for what it is. If you throw too much thought into it with the comic book storylines and whatnot you'll ruin the fun of the movie. Which I did, because as a comic book reader I'm supposed to do that. Pick out the flaws and move on. And this movie just had a lot of them. From a comic book standpoint.
I wasn't expecting Bryan Singer quality here because, well, its the guy that directed Rush Hour, correct? So I went in with low expectations. To me, the movie was fun and average. It wasn't epic as X2 was. X2 just felt like everything was going to hell in every scene. Thats what I liked about it. It was tragic. X3 was just.....I don't know.....a rollercoaster? Quick and to the point. Which is fun if you're gonna fill the entire movie with action scenes and shit. But the plot was just weak altogether. And thats where the inconsistencies come into play. No real character development.
But anyway, I'll stick with the comics for the foreseeable future until Bryan Singer returns or when they get the X-franchise back on track.
And this is how it all goes for me:
Batman Begins >>> Spidey movies >> X2 >>>>>>X1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X3
Mind you, Superman Returns still isn't out yet.
Ouroborus
05-27-2006, 09:34 PM
you fail at movie critique, stick to your day job
x3 > x 1 and 2
inconsistency? pfft
and u fail in life, you fuckin retard.
Dangerous J
05-27-2006, 09:35 PM
[QUOTE=godrifle]Umm... Can you guys believe that the Transexual guy... (the one next to asian spikes and psylocke) is actually a girl? My girlfriend told me she's met her in person, the transexual is a model and apparently from what she told me, she has a nice...body?
SRK must investigate.
QUOTE]
ask and ye shall receive.......
http://supermodels.nl/omahyramota
:wink:
Epicurus
05-27-2006, 09:45 PM
and u fail in life, you fuckin retard.
Thanks for the original come back dipshit!
And we're all very refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view, you ridiculous little circus freak. The only problem that remains is that you're wrong.
blabalblablablabalbla crap batman blabalb xmen 3 spider man better worse
Too long, didn't read. Needs more salt, less useless bullshit.
When you are at a loss for words, your loss is our gain.
kthnx
Dangerous J & godrifle - seriously wtf, she/he is hedious
that tranny freak looks like a car wreck, her body has the shape of a stocking filled with dogshit....and her face looks like its been used to clean toilets :wasted:
TheSix
05-27-2006, 09:55 PM
Thats not fun to watch. Wanna know why Batman Begins and Spidey are so much better than the X-flicks? They take the time to develop the characters between the action scenes. They flesh it out a lot more...
Thats the funniest shit I have read all day. Have you SEEN the Spiderman movies? Kill off 2 main characters and have Peter and Mary Jane(secret and all) together in 2 movies...thats alot of development :confused:
The Damned
05-27-2006, 10:03 PM
Actually my friend said "KANEDA!!!" too.:rofl:
Ha. Your friend has taste.
BTW did you see any resemblance to Bruce Campbell from Multiple Man Damned?
Definitiely. Weird that the (main) imdb picture for him doesn't look anything like how he looekd in X3? I wonder how old the picture is?
Anyway, it seems to be the black hair given that made me see the resemblance given that he doesn't have much hair in the imdb picture. Maybe it was that goofy grin he had too....
My only REAL problem with the movie was the fact that the trailers hinted at a HUGE GLOBAL WAR and it was only a relatively minor centralized conflict. 'Tetsu... er Phoenix' mellowed me out with her onscreen destruction nonetheless..:wonder:
This too is true. It was anti-climatic, which I don't really have a problem with given that everything can't be as you expect it.
However, when it's coupled with the melodrama that's often part of American movies, like in this one (as some method earlier), it just makes want to scream in my worst Kim Possible impersonation: "So not the drama!"
More seriously, though, in the previews, it made that at least SF was getting wrecked, not just Alcatraz. No one really cares about that place, except for the tourists...and maybe Native Americans still.
To everyone hating on this movie like you're Magneto opposing the human race, what exactly was so bad?
It's been explained before, but since you did mention some things that I would like to comment on, I'll do both simultaneously.
Does having too many characters crammed into the movie really kill it?
It doesn't kill, at least not by itself. Frankly, I'm not even sure that it's that much of an issue outside of movies that are based on some other source with a fanbase.
What it most notably does is piss fans of the characters that get screwed. For example, I'm sure that Agent Guile is livid if he's seen this movie, considering how much of a Cyclops fan he is.
An example of an understandable pissing off of fans of a certain person would be when it comes to X3 Psylocke I'm sure Psylocke fans didn't enjoy "Psylocke" not only not act like at all like Psylocke--if the "shadows" thing is true, then they decided to go with her esoteric Crimson Dawn powers that have always been nebulous while they completely skipped the identifying psyknife AND didn't name her--but also get killed by Shin Jean.
An example of a character whose inclusion is debatable (if only in name) is Callisto. Fans of Callisto got a character named Callisto and not a Callisto remotely like that one of the (616) comics; in this instance, however, the power and story change were both better for pacing since the power finding allowed for things to get done quickly and the Murlock storyline would most likely be difficult for "the masses" to get into.
So, while not lethal, it makes certain people like your movie less if you kill off their favorite character, especially if you make include that character just to seeming get the fans to come and then have them do nothing but die. I'm rather sure this is what a lot of Mortal Kombat fans (possible oxymorons aside) disliked about the horror that is Mortal Kombat Annihilation.
Because they tossed the Stepford Cuckoos (who most of you probably have no idea who they are) in the background of one hallway scene, does that mean the movie now sucks because we didn't get to develop them?
Oh, thank the cruel and merciless gods. I thought I was the only one that saw them.
Possibly another plothole, since it makes we wonder where Emma was. Though I suppose if they cut off Cyclops's balls, they scrapped off the rest of his gentalia and she thus wasn't need to sleep with him and ease Jean's "death". Maybe in the next movie we'll see Emma...and she'll get fucked over too.
Or because "Psylocke" showed up and was killed off without doing a fucking thing?
Yes. See above.
Or maybe because we didn't see magneto do anything new with his powers?
I personally thought that Magneto using his powers to turn the Golden Gate Bridge into Aladdin's Magic Carpet Ride was something new. Then again, Magneto has always been a bit "stupid" when it comes uses in his power given that he's so fucking power. (You probably know how a lot of people share this trait in comics, but you also probably don't know how many. *cough*Jubilee*cough*)
Except Rogue... they sure know how to fuck over that character in the movies : /
No Ms. Marvel for you![/Soup Nazi voice]
It's funny you say that though, since that was one of the few things that would apply to all versions of what Rogue would want.
Thats the funniest shit I have read all day. Have you SEEN the Spiderman movies? Kill off 2 main characters and have Peter and Mary Jane(secret and all) together in 2 movies...thats alot of development :confused:
A lot fucking more than the X movies right? And yes, I have seen the Spidey movies.
@Epicurus: See, you're too ignorant to realize when someone isn't clearly bashing said movie. But, maybe you just don't know how to read. That could be it. But yeah, its a bad movie if you sit down and analyze it and compare it to the source material its using. If its stand alone and you ignore everything else, then its good. And I'm doing the latter.
I could show you some more comic book movies if you want. Those are the true "gems" in Marvels vault.
Ouroborus
05-27-2006, 10:07 PM
Thanks for the original come back dipshit!
And we're all very refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view, you ridiculous little circus freak. The only problem that remains is that you're wrong.
I'm wrong because I dont jock on the movie like you?
do me a favor, stop being a such a fanboy and go play in traffic you waste of sperm.
two2tone
05-27-2006, 10:16 PM
Jean Grey and Wolverine with the fake ass sex scene LMAO!!!
jae hoon
05-27-2006, 10:21 PM
Lets be honest people really wanted to post in this thread so they can go
IM THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH
and get away with it.
Agent Guile
05-27-2006, 10:47 PM
Superb post, TheDamned. I think I pretty much agree with all the points you made. Great observations.
It's just sad that they pussified Cyclops again. I only watched X-Men once, back when it came out, and I don't remember him doing much in that movie. X2, I watched that maybe 3 times. And Cyclops didn't do jack in that movie, except lose two fights and get brainwashed. He might have also had one line of dialogue in X2, when he shook off the brainwashing and said, "Jean?"
But damn... X-Men 3, there was no Cyclops love whatsoever. I just don't get it. I can sort of understand that he isn't exactly a "fan favorite." And I'll admit, for years I hated Cyclops, solely due to the horrible voice actor who portrayed him the '90s X-Men cartoon. I don't think I started even respecting Cyclops until I finally played some Capcom games and heard him say, "Optic Blast!" and "Gene Splice!" and "Cyclone Kick!" and "I did it!"
But damn it! Over the years, after reading great X-Men stories, it's obvious that Cyclops IS the X-Men. He is the heart and soul of the X-Men, the living embodiment of everything for which the X-Men stand. Cyclops is to the X-Men what Captain America is to... Uh. America. Or something.
The point is, trying to force Wolverine into being the moral center of the X-Men is just plain wrong. It makes the movie not feel like an X-Men movie. Hmm, I should sue Fox for false advertising.
Yup. I agree with you on this one. The consensus to most people (even those who hate him) is that he's essential to the team and his presence is much more needed than Halle Berry muscling her way to get screen time.
I've pretty much given up on my hopes that James would ever get screen-time justice. At least Cyclops has been given enough spotlight by Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon, so I shouldn't really be complaining.
Even without Cyke, I still somwhow enjoyed X3 because I'm no longer expecting him to be in it. I enjoyed it's more realistic approach.
angelslayer13
05-27-2006, 11:24 PM
bad news (or good depending on were you stand), in an interview on MTV jackman said that his been asking fox for a spin off movie for wolverine, the director of X-3 also said he agreed since wolverine is the most popular character and also hinted that he would direct the film.
angelslayer13
05-27-2006, 11:25 PM
bad news (or good depending on were you stand), in an interview on MTV jackman said that his been asking fox for a spin off movie for wolverine, the director of X-3 also said he agreed since wolverine is the most popular character and also hinted that he would direct the film.
Zephyranthes
05-27-2006, 11:31 PM
You know, when I first saw that transexual character in the movie, my first thought was, "Oh my stars and garters, he looks like Prince!! Wait. Is that a girl?"
Sacr3D
05-28-2006, 12:18 AM
[QUOTE=godrifle]Umm... Can you guys believe that the Transexual guy... (the one next to asian spikes and psylocke) is actually a girl? My girlfriend told me she's met her in person, the transexual is a model and apparently from what she told me, she has a nice...body?
SRK must investigate.
QUOTE]
ask and ye shall receive.......
http://supermodels.nl/omahyramota
:wink:
I think a part of my soul just died....
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 12:45 AM
you fail at movie critique, stick to your day job
x3 > x 1 and 2
inconsistency? pfft
Rotten Tomatoes critics rating:
X-Men the Movie: 80% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xmen/)
X-men: United: 87% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x2_xmen_united/)
X-Man: The Last Stand: 52% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_3_the_last_stand/)
Even if X3 was three times better, it'd still be worst than X1 and X2 combined.
OC
FreddyL0c0
05-28-2006, 01:10 AM
upon rewatching the movie today (for free mind u), I came to the realization that if Cyke does end up being still alive in the 4th film, then its as if the third film never should been made at all, since the only change from x-2 would have been that Xavier is hosting another body.
also, the movie is not re-watcheable....jean destruction mode sequences were still fun though.
RagingStormX
05-28-2006, 01:43 AM
The movie was garbage, I walked out.
ducvader
05-28-2006, 02:23 AM
Spider man movies owns X men for free.
Duc
scrub_4_life
05-28-2006, 03:07 AM
Lets be honest people really wanted to post in this thread so they can go
IM THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH
and get away with it.
so true.....as for everyone that debating about the movie, i thought we were jus asking for opinions here not a vote on "why the movie sucked or didnt suck?"
i think the movie was pretty good, showed you how heartless magneto could be, showed you how powerfull phoenix was, showed you how much of an asshole xavier really is (read X-men: Deadly Genesis) all in all i give it a 3/5 stars :wgrin:
FistsofFury
05-28-2006, 03:21 AM
[QUOTE=godrifle]Umm... Can you guys believe that the Transexual guy... (the one next to asian spikes and psylocke) is actually a girl? My girlfriend told me she's met her in person, the transexual is a model and apparently from what she told me, she has a nice...body?
SRK must investigate.
QUOTE]
ask and ye shall receive.......
http://supermodels.nl/omahyramota
:wink:
She was supposed to be a guy? I thought it was just a woman with short hair. Yeah..the actress is a model and is famous. She was in the Jay-Z 'Change Clothes' video. She was one the 'bad girls' that took over the show at the end.
AcEtUrNeDjOkEr
05-28-2006, 06:14 AM
You can clearly see the change in directors on the film...
Storm = Jackie Chan
Wolverine = Chris Tucker
I think I just watched Rush Hour 3: X-Men edition.
As a long time X-Men reader I thought it was alright. Just alright, could of been soooo much better. Part 2 was the best movie in the franchise.
Epicurus
05-28-2006, 07:52 AM
Rotten Tomatoes critics rating:
X-Men the Movie: 80% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xmen/)
X-men: United: 87% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x2_xmen_united/)
X-Man: The Last Stand: 52% (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_3_the_last_stand/)
Even if X3 was three times better, it'd still be worst than X1 and X2 combined.
OC
Luckily no intelligent viewer gives a flying fuck about rotten-tomatoes.
kthnx.
ps- no need to end your messages with "OC" we can see your name in big bold fucken letters every time you post.
Epicurus.
All the haters here need to get a reality check, this was a "fun" & "entertaining" movie to watch, anyways X3 had several factors that just made it dope and no amount of shitty acting and forced dialogue could bring it down.
I'll mention a few in no particular order;
1. naked, yet not fully exposed mystique (teasing is exciting)
2. juggernaut (don't you know who he is???!)
3. wolverine
4. wolverine
5. evil yet hot phoenix (busting shit up and vaporizing xavier) <--- OSCAR WORTHY
6. etc etc
Epicurus.
Epicurus.
white shadow
05-28-2006, 08:00 AM
Didn't James Spader bait people on The Practice?
Epicurus
05-28-2006, 08:20 AM
Didn't James Spader bait people on The Practice?
you mean Alan Shore
yes, and he enjoyed the drama I think:rofl:
CrouchingTiger
05-28-2006, 08:38 AM
The coolest mutant in the whole movie was that molten rock guy near the end who belched out volcanic ash which made people just disintegrate.
Considering he was only in the movie for every bit of two seconds, and was still by far the coolest, doesn't say a lot about the rest of the movie.
I won't go as far as to say the movie sucked, but it certainly wasn't good. And I'm not just saying this because of the hugely altered plots and such. I understand some changes need to be made for adapting things to the big screen. The movie had plenty of regular movie standard flaws though. Berry is a terrible actor; they introduce Angel at the beginning of the movie as if he would actually play some significant role in the movie (which he didn't); they make sure to take the screen time to show Wolverine heal from EVERY wound he takes, assuming that we the audience aren't smart enough to realize he has fast healing after the first 50 times they showed us. I'm sure there is more that slipped my mind right now, but I'm not gonna waste more time thinking about this letdown of a movie.
A simple example of how they could retain at least some Juggernaut backstory with ONE SIMPLE LINE CHANGE: Where they ask him what his helmet is for, instead of saying "Keeps my face pretty," which was stupid, he could have said "it keeps my annoying stepbrother Charles from messin around in my head." And there ya go; now Juggernaut explains the REAL reason for his helmet, and it establishes the fact that he's related to Charles. That's all the audience would need to know.
white shadow
05-28-2006, 08:43 AM
you mean Alan Shore
yes, and he enjoyed the drama I think:rofl:
I call him James Spader because since the 80s he's always appeared to be an asshole. He's playing as himself.
RockBogart
05-28-2006, 08:45 AM
A simple example of how they could retain at least some Juggernaut backstory with ONE SIMPLE LINE CHANGE: Where they ask him what his helmet is for, instead of saying "Keeps my face pretty," which was stupid, he could have said "it keeps my annoying stepbrother Charles from messin around in my head." And there ya go; now Juggernaut explains the REAL reason for his helmet, and it establishes the fact that he's related to Charles. That's all the audience would need to know.
The thing is they couldnt stop right there. If you throw something that big at the audience your going ot have to go further. It jsut commen curtosy. You gotta throw in flash backs, social interaction etc.
CrouchingTiger
05-28-2006, 08:53 AM
The thing is they couldnt stop right there. If you throw something that big at the audience your going ot have to go further. It jsut commen curtosy. You gotta throw in flash backs, social interaction etc.
That movie didn't care too much about common courtesy towards the audience, in ways I mentioned. I think the line would have fit the rest of the movie just fine. Hell, if anything, since Juggs had way more screen time and significance than Angel, they could have done a brief Charles/Cain flashback at the beginning instead of an Angel flashback. Seeing him cut his wings off was so crucial to the movie......... oh wait....
R.P.D rookie
05-28-2006, 09:01 AM
I enjoyed the movie enough. Went and saw it with CrouchingTiger. Was worth my money to see once. I didn't hear anybody laughing when Juggernaut yelled "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" guess the majority had no idea. I wonder what those guys that originally did the dubbing for that clip must think now. Pretty cool that their influence made it into a movie.
Epicurus
05-28-2006, 09:08 AM
I call him James Spader because since the 80s he's always appeared to be an asshole. He's playing as himself.
Good point.:wink:
turdburger
05-28-2006, 09:21 AM
I thought the movie was fun. The second one did a much better job at dealing with problems that could be extrapolated to real world events. The third one tried to do this but was just too rushed to actually deal with the problems correctly. I think this could have been helped greatly if they had a scene with Rogue and Beast talking about the cure, because they seem like those two that would want it the most.
Also about the source material, of course it's going to be a lot deeper considering it continues to develop after 40 years. It seems like they tried to do too much by throwing in characters hardcore fans would want to see but still make it accessible for the normal viewer. If they kept the character levels smaller or just didn't name certain characters in the movie it would have been better. I imagine that people would not mind if the girl with purple hair was just some random mutant and not Psylocke.
I've basically based all my movie reviews by comparing them to Batman Begins, I give X3 half a Batman.
CrouchingTiger
05-28-2006, 09:29 AM
Hey turd, what did you think about Sin City? I think Sin City and Batman Begins are probably the two best comic book movies thus far.
RockBogart
05-28-2006, 09:32 AM
Hey turd, what did you think about Sin City? I think Sin City and Batman Begins are probably the two best comic book movies thus far.
CO SIGN. Got a friend who ownt get off Tim Burton's nuts. He doesnt understadn that better script+better actors= better movie.
turdburger
05-28-2006, 09:45 AM
Yeah I liked Sin City a lot. It was done really well. I would put it in my top 3 comic book movies, with Batman Begins and X2.
YellowS4
05-28-2006, 10:02 AM
Lol oh shit, guy from Predator was Trask. McTaggart looked hot in a way :S And Arclight bearing an uncanny resembelance to Prince.
I'll post screencaps in a bit, Jubilee was in the classroom when X was talking about the unconscious guy. Sentinel flashlight FTL! I wanted ppl to get motherfucken stomped.
Kitty is actually cute irl :0
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 10:05 AM
Luckily no intelligent viewer gives a flying fuck about rotten-tomatoes.
kthnx.
All the haters here need to get a reality check, this was a "fun" & "entertaining" movie to watch, anyways X3 had several factors that just made it dope and no amount of shitty acting and forced dialogue could bring it down.
I'll mention a few in no particular order;
So you're saying that despite the movie scoring 30% less by critics and 20% less by viewers that rottentomatoes has no signifigance to intelligent viewers? Regardless of whatever someone's intelligence is, rottentomatoes at least the best barometer we have in a film's quality in general and by critics. Unless you want to use IMDB, which still has X2 > X3 > X1.
I'm just pointing out that Ouroborus's movie critisizing skills didn't fail at all considering it reflects the drop in quality of the film. If you like the film, fine I don't really care. But I'm just pointing out that not everyone who didn't like it is stupid for not being to able to enjoy it like you. Considering the increase in how many people dislike it they can't be all idiots.
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Epicurus
05-28-2006, 10:30 AM
So you're saying that despite the movie scoring 30% less by critics and 20% less by viewers that rottentomatoes has no signifigance to intelligent viewers?
Yes, now you are catching on.
Other people are entitiled to their opinion, I understand this, you must also understand that those people are always wrong when they disagree with me.
Its that simple.
I'm just pointing out that Ouroborus's movie critisizing skills didn't fail at all considering it reflects the drop in quality of the film. If you like the film, fine I don't really care. But I'm just pointing out that not everyone who didn't like it is stupid for not being to able to enjoy it like you. Considering the increase in how many people dislike it they can't be all idiots.
OC
His critisizing skills (which are about as accurate as a cross-eyed sniper suffering from parkinsons) do not reflect the quality of the film.
Your reply saddens me, just like Ouroborborb's replies, they are made out of Fail and Dirt.
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Epicurus
EPICURUS
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 10:40 AM
Yes, now you are catching on.
Other people are entitiled to their opinion, I understand this, you must also understand that those people are always wrong when they disagree with me.
Its that simple.
your post, just like Ouroborborbs, is made out of Fail and Dirt.
Ok I'll just leave it at that. I suppose it makes sense afterall that people who do disagree with you are wrong considering your choice in beliefs. I mean if X3 gives you a good sensation, then those saying it isn't a good sensation is basically stopping your pursuit of pleasure. I guess there's no harm in defending your choice in philsophy considering it's content.
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Agmaster
05-28-2006, 10:50 AM
[QUOTE=godrifle]Umm... Can you guys believe that the Transexual guy... (the one next to asian spikes and psylocke) is actually a girl? My girlfriend told me she's met her in person, the transexual is a model and apparently from what she told me, she has a nice...body?
SRK must investigate.
QUOTE]
ask and ye shall receive.......
http://supermodels.nl/omahyramota
:wink:
holy crap. The boi girl in Tenjo Tenge can officially be live action'd. Ow a girl playing a boy who looks likea girl. Just...ow.
YellowS4
05-28-2006, 11:04 AM
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4453/x3capscopy5ba.jpg
Oh shit, Prince has a name. I was bored =\
edit - Colossus should've been played by Tiesto
DaDesiCanadian
05-28-2006, 11:07 AM
Wait...
you say Hulk is a decent movie, but then go on to say F4 and X3 were garbage? Are you kidding me? Hulk was terrible, F4 was enjoyable, and X3 was great.
As I said, I like almost every movie. I liked F4, thought it was fun. But there's no denying the movie was complete garbage. Remember those white guys in Harold and Kumar? The "IT'S EXTREEEEEEMEEE DUDES!!" guys? F4 was the movie version of those guys. They tried to capture the white "extreeeemeee" culture, which is not something you'd want to capture anyway, and failed miserably. As I said, it was still a fun movie.
Hulk... I saw this movie at a drive thru, which is a different experience than a normal theatre, because there's so many distractions, so I really didn't get enough of the movie.. but what I saw, I liked. Yes, there weren't too many HULK SMASH moments, but it was decent. I'll re-watch it on DVD or something, and make another opinion.
But no, I didn't think X3 wasn't great. Hell, I liked the fact that they tried to throw in as many characters as possible; I thought that was what was wrong with the first 2, not enough mutants. But the movie just jumped all over the place with disgusting dialogue, badly paced action scenes, and it just seemed... RUSHED. Seemed the director didn't even try, and just wanted to go through with the momentum of the last two. Also, the person who said something about the trailer was right. It made it seem like some global conflict, when it was actually just really small. Didn't really affect my opinion though, I thought the Alcatraz sequence was pretty cool, along with the bridge.
Epicurus: I really don't want to flame you or argue with you, because I just realized, you're probably like 10-15 years old, which can be the only possible explanation for your posts. If you're any older than that, you'd have to be legally retarded. You're excused bud.
Eh, aqgree or disagree - I don't care, but that whole film fucking sucked.
- They killed Cyclops for no fucking good or valid reason but to create a love scene and get Wolverine even more deeply involved (yet again) in the main plot.
- Once again, Storm was completely useless, and her role was laughable at best.
- Colossus's part in film was so minimal that I'm not sure why they even bothered putting him the film. He had no fights, he had one line and he threw Wolverine 2 times. His involvement in the final battle was completely absent - it should have been him that was trying to stop Juggernaut - not Kitty Pryde.
- Kelsey Grammer as Beast was just okay. His fighting abilities looked retarded and seeing him in the black leather X-suit was ridiculous.
- The Phoenix entity was reduced to a split-personality. What a fucking joke.
- And they couldn't come up with a better way to stop Magneto than to have Beast use the cure on him? The point of al their battles is to come up with a way as a team to stop him, not to take the cheap and fast way out like that.
- The love triangle between Rogue, Kitty and Bobby was redundant and useless.
- Waaaaay too much Wolverine and Storm parts, it's like they're the only two stars in the film that Hollywood thinks we care about. Yeah, Hugh Jackman as Logan is somewhat acceptable but Halle Berry's Storm was a joke.
- The idea of knocking out Juggernaut because of Leech was lame, besides the fact that Juggernaut IS NOT a mutant, buit I guess that would have ben asking too much of the audience to believe that there are others super-powered villains that could possibly not be a mutant .
A complete waste of $20.00.
Don Knotts
05-28-2006, 11:11 AM
Some serious trolling going on here, and even more troll baiting.
If there is an X4, I'd like to see it as a prequel, with young Jean Grey, Cyclops, middle aged Beast, younger Xavier, and whole different set of X-men and villians.
Maybe that would be better as a mini-series or something.
Just an idea. I'll be fine with it if this is last movie in the series. Actually, I sort of hope it is.
I guess if your a comic book fan you might not like it. I never read the comics though so...
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 11:15 AM
- And they couldn't come up with a better way to stop Magneto than to have Beast use the cure on him? The point of al their battles is to come up with a way as a team to stop him, not to take the cheap and fast way out like that.
For some odd reason I had a feeling that some elements were taken directly from Grant Morrison's run of The New X-Men. Wolverine killing Jean. Beast injecting Mags with something during the final battle in The New X-Men. I guess it's suiting though considering that Morrison's costume choices were inspired by the movie.
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MagnuScruB
05-28-2006, 11:15 AM
prequel was confirmed a long time ago by the director in an interview i read. x4 is new to me.
acesmith5
05-28-2006, 11:24 AM
Re: Juggernaut
I definitely gave a disgusted facial expression when Leech's powers negated Jugg's, but I let it go. But the fact of the mutant/not mutant issue actually seems lesser to the fact that his character all in all was wasted.
Seriously, is it just me, or did they waste Jugg's character in this movie? I think they could have pretty much mad like a whole movie off of Jugg's, if not a very big sideline story. Talking about the sibling rivalry between the two, him finding the crystal, and then tearing things up.
It's similar to the Batman and Robin movie. Where Bane totally could have been a movie all in himself (even moreso then Juggs) and they just waste the character. Reducing them to cheesy one liners (or mere grunts in bane's case).
That makes me more mad than un-cannonness. Don't waste characters!
Also, if the whole plan was to kill Leech. Why didn't Mags just pick up the bridge and smash it down on alcatraz? He could have taken down everything in like one fell swoop.
I hate villain dramatics...
DaDesiCanadian
05-28-2006, 11:25 AM
Eh, aqgree or disagree - I don't care, but that whole film fucking sucked.
- And they couldn't come up with a better way to stop Magneto than to have Beast use the cure on him? The point of al their battles is to come up with a way as a team to stop him, not to take the cheap and fast way out like that.
That was one of the worst plot inconsistencies ever. You'd figure the reason they're all staring at the vial is because they realize this is the easy way to stop him, but the whole reason for all this bullshit is that they shouldn't. But no.. they use it.
Epicurus
05-28-2006, 11:27 AM
Eh, aqgree or disagree - I don't care, but that whole film fucking sucked.
I disagree completely, and thus you lose.
- They killed Cyclops for no fucking good or valid reason but to create a love scene and get Wolverine even more deeply involved (yet again) in the main plot.
scott is gay - cyclops is lame, no one cares about him, wolverine is the man. deal with it
- Once again, Storm was completely useless, and her role was laughable at best.
who gives a fuck, she fought that speed girl and fried her brains out, it was sweet
- Colossus's part in film was so minimal that I'm not sure why they even bothered
putting him the film. He had no fights, he had one line and he threw Wolverine 2 times. His involvement in the final battle was completely absent - it should have been him that was trying to stop Juggernaut - not Kitty Pryde.
he threw wolverine 2 times, thats an honour, he should be proud.
- Kelsey Grammer as Beast was just okay. His fighting abilities looked retarded and seeing him in the black leather X-suit was ridiculous.
wtf? are you gay irl?
his fighting style was brutal, and the sound effects were nice
- The Phoenix entity was reduced to a split-personality. What a fucking joke.
her evil personality was hardcore, she was vaporizing everyone. go cry about it
- And they couldn't come up with a better way to stop Magneto than to have Beast use the cure on him? The point of al their battles is to come up with a way as a team to stop him, not to take the cheap and fast way out like that.
uhhh they worked as a team and used their abilities and the cure to take him out, hes much too powerful for them
- The love triangle between Rogue, Kitty and Bobby was redundant and useless.
so is your post, go figure
- Waaaaay too much Wolverine and Storm parts, it's like they're the only two stars in the film that Hollywood thinks we care about. Yeah, Hugh Jackman as Logan is somewhat acceptable but Halle Berry's Storm was a joke.
wolverine is the man, he needs women
- The idea of knocking out Juggernaut because of Leech was lame, besides the fact that Juggernaut IS NOT a mutant, buit I guess that would have ben asking too much of the audience to believe that there are others super-powered villains that could possibly not be a mutant .
your fucken gay, thats it, i made up my mind....go read some comic books and stick to your action figures and imaginary fights where everything 'is as it should be'
A complete waste of $20.00.
Good, you got owned. Hope it happens again you waste of human flesh.
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 11:29 AM
Also, if the whole plan was to kill Leech. Why didn't Mags just pick up the bridge and smash it down on alcatraz? He could have taken down everything in like one fell swoop.
I hate villain dramatics...
It's quite clear that Magneto was being just the regular chessplayer here. Using the bridge to kill Leech would basically have been the real life equivalent of the "chess board clearing arm swipe in anger." He's obviously civilized not some homo-sapien. It's too bad his Queen piece didn't only go any number spaces in one direction...but could just fucking nuke the entire board if she wanted to.
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Kusanagi02
05-28-2006, 12:07 PM
That was one of the worst plot inconsistencies ever. You'd figure the reason they're all staring at the vial is because they realize this is the easy way to stop him, but the whole reason for all this bullshit is that they shouldn't. But no.. they use it.
C'mon man...you and I both know that with the current team that was on Alcatraz fighting against Magneto none of them would have stood a chance against him.
Even if they were against the cure i thought it was a clever move to use it.
*Random Thought*I wish i could find the image of Mystique when she turned human. She was lookin FINE!!!:hitit:
I disagree completely, and thus you lose.
- They killed Cyclops for no fucking good or valid reason but to create a love scene and get Wolverine even more deeply involved (yet again) in the main plot.
scott is gay - cyclops is lame, no one cares about him, wolverine is the man. deal with it
- Once again, Storm was completely useless, and her role was laughable at best.
who gives a fuck, she fought that speed girl and fried her brains out, it was sweet
- Colossus's part in film was so minimal that I'm not sure why they even bothered
putting him the film. He had no fights, he had one line and he threw Wolverine 2 times. His involvement in the final battle was completely absent - it should have been him that was trying to stop Juggernaut - not Kitty Pryde.
he threw wolverine 2 times, thats an honour, he should be proud.
- Kelsey Grammer as Beast was just okay. His fighting abilities looked retarded and seeing him in the black leather X-suit was ridiculous.
wtf? are you gay irl?
his fighting style was brutal, and the sound effects were nice
- The Phoenix entity was reduced to a split-personality. What a fucking joke.
her evil personality was hardcore, she was vaporizing everyone. go cry about it
- And they couldn't come up with a better way to stop Magneto than to have Beast use the cure on him? The point of al their battles is to come up with a way as a team to stop him, not to take the cheap and fast way out like that.
uhhh they worked as a team and used their abilities and the cure to take him out, hes much too powerful for them
- The love triangle between Rogue, Kitty and Bobby was redundant and useless.
so is your post, go figure
- Waaaaay too much Wolverine and Storm parts, it's like they're the only two stars in the film that Hollywood thinks we care about. Yeah, Hugh Jackman as Logan is somewhat acceptable but Halle Berry's Storm was a joke.
wolverine is the man, he needs women
- The idea of knocking out Juggernaut because of Leech was lame, besides the fact that Juggernaut IS NOT a mutant, buit I guess that would have ben asking too much of the audience to believe that there are others super-powered villains that could possibly not be a mutant .
your fucken gay, thats it, i made up my mind....go read some comic books and stick to your action figures and imaginary fights where everything 'is as it should be'
Good, you got owned. Hope it happens again you waste of human flesh.
Wow, that's a lot of hostility over someone's opinion.
"Thus you loose?" what fucking age are you? Four?
Face it, you don't know shit about X-men or the storyline(s), new or old. You're just an idiot fan-boy who's too blind to comprehend the level of crappiness they put into this film. Either find a better approach at debating or go stick your head back in your ass.
Now onto someone's who's worth the effort to speak too...
C'mon man...you and I both know that with the current team that was on Alcatraz fighting against Magneto none of them would have stood a chance against him.
Even if they were against the cure i thought it was a clever move to use it.
*Random Thought*I wish i could find the image of Mystique when she turned human. She was lookin FINE!!!:hitit:
Too true, but then again, most every member of the X-Men don't have the capability (besides Phoenix) to stop Maggie.
kingofkod
05-28-2006, 01:14 PM
Whoever did the computer graphics for this movie was great. Real good quality there. Whoever wrote this story was pathetic.
I wonder...does anyone else agree that the movie would have been better if they woudl have just stuck with "The Cure" storyline? I felt like a lot of time was wasted throwing both of those storylines together. Especially since Phoenix was pretty much just standing around outside of when she was destroying her house and destroying that medical fecility. The movie was hella rushed.
Also...wtf was happening to Cyclops? I don't know if she was taking his soul or what but I feel they could have maybe explained that better at least. Cuz if she killed him, you'd think the other people she killed would have looked similar right? Or something. I still have no idea what happened to him. It woulda been nice if someone was like "hey jean/phoenix, did you kill cyclops?" and she gave some sort of reply.
fishjie
05-28-2006, 01:35 PM
LOL i knew i should not have read this thread. couldn't you guys have at least tried to put spoiler warnings at the start of your posts?
oh well. gonna watch it this afternoon despite knowing a lot of whats gonna happen :sad:
X-Sapphire
05-28-2006, 02:05 PM
X1 > X2 > X3. :mad:
kingofkod
05-28-2006, 02:10 PM
LOL i knew i should not have read this thread. couldn't you guys have at least tried to put spoiler warnings at the start of your posts?
oh well. gonna watch it this afternoon despite knowing a lot of whats gonna happen :sad:
Well to be honest, it's an "X-3 Review Thread" so i'm sure you had some idea that we were going to talk about the movie. Plus...only thing you might have really been robbed on was the stuff after the movie credits. Everything else I think was fair game.
Drunkengameplayer
05-28-2006, 02:39 PM
Liked the movie. Did not love it but I find it worth the price of admission.
Won't go into great detail since all I will be doing is repeating what has already been said but I will mention my favorite scene of the movie.
SPOILERS
Phoenix killing the professor....... That shit came out of left field for me and I thought it was handled with the best of care. The special effects involved, the house levitating off of the ground, Wolverine stuck to the roof and using his claws to climb towards the room to only see the inevitable, Jean standing and staring up at the professor while he looked down at her, the music and then finally the slow motion shot at the end (even though I am getting sick of slow mo cam) of his ass getting pwned. Gave a nice glimpse of her true powers and it was a ballsy move to kill the professor (fuck the scene after the credits........ In the movie that bitch was dead) half way through the film. It gave depth to the last action scene of the movie as well considering the team was going against the killer of their father/leader/mentor who was also fighting along side his nemesis as well.
Phoenix killing the Professor F T W!!
The rest of the film was a mixture of greatness and pure shit (but enjoyable shit).
BTW, for the people that say this film is better then X2.......... You on crack?
Irennicus
05-28-2006, 02:41 PM
I hope in X4 Wolverine dies a slow tragic death just so Epicurus loses 70% of his self-worth.
Valaris
05-28-2006, 03:01 PM
*snip*
It's quite simple:
Cyclops= one of the 4 founding members of X-men
Wolverine= some random canadian who came along years later.
This is also why I disliked the fact that Bobby was a student, yes he was much younger but still one of the founding 4. Also how no one seems to know Warren even though, once again, he was one of the original 4.
I try to watch the movie as a complete and separate entity from the comic book; if I did, I would probably be all riled up about much it sucked and how many liberties they have takes with characters (Juggie=mutant, marrow=male?, Spike=asian?)
turdburger
05-28-2006, 03:08 PM
I'm listening to the director commintary for X2 right now. Do you guys think that they will get Brian Singer back for X4? I hope so.
DarkGiygas
05-28-2006, 03:15 PM
how come it was day time on the bridge and then when they walked onto the island it turned to night all of a sudden?
I'm listening to the director commintary for X2 right now. Do you guys think that they will get Brian Singer back for X4? I hope so.
It owuld probably be the best move for this films future, but then again, it couldn't get any worse than this one.
So far, X2 is the best of the 3 and that's not saying much.
I agree with DGP, some of the scenes were done rather well but there's just too much of the classic X-Men reader in me to accept these changes to the characters and story that just have "Hollywood" written all over them.
Valaris, when you say "Spike = Asain" you mean the Morlock dude with the thin spikes that come out of his body? What character do they base him off of? I don't remember anyone in the books like that at all.
turdburger
05-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Valaris, when you say "Spike = Asain" you mean the Morlock dude with the thin spikes that come out of his body? What character do they base him off of? I don't remember anyone in the books like that at all.
I think he means the character Spike who was in the end run of X-Force that became X-Statix. He was the thug type. I think that's where the fat guy Phat came from too, if that one guy was actually Phat. It would be a cool scene if they watched the X-Statix on TV.
OrangeCat
05-28-2006, 03:30 PM
I'm listening to the director commintary for X2 right now. Do you guys think that they will get Brian Singer back for X4? I hope so.
To me, I think that even though it wasn't Batman and Robin bad, it was basically the franchise's Batman and Robin in the way that the film was so bad, I think no one should touch it for a good few years before even attempting to revive it. More to the point, no one should touch the franchise with it's current mindset about it until they can revamp it.
It is funny though considering that a Prequel seems to be next film...and that Batman Begins was a prequel that revitalized the Batman franchise.
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Lantis
05-28-2006, 04:11 PM
I also thought it was somewhat of a letdown. They reduced the X-Men franchise to a popcorn movie than a comic book series. I agree that the movie solely focused on the action scenes and special effects rather than developing further on the plot. Too many things just happening too fuckin' fast. Maybe it was the director swap, who knows.
What was clear, though, is that Cyclops NEVER assumed his role of true field leader of the X-Men in ANY of the 3 X-Men movies. He just played second fiddle to Wolverine (like probably everyone else) and in the third movie he was just plain EMO. Basically the shot in the trailer where he shoots an eye beam is the ONLY thing interesting about him going on in the whole movie.
As for Storm...meh, I really think they should have screwed Halle Berry over. Don't get me wrong, she's a fine sexy dame, but she basically shitted on the X-Men franchise and left to do Catwoman...and we all know how that turned out, so she came crawling back for redemption and they give her the leading role she bitched for so long. Whatever...at least she got to perform throw DHC into Lightning Storm on Callisto, heh heh.
I also believe that Cyclops and Professor X have the potential of being alive since DA DUM! They never show their bodies! Or more like they never show Cyclops being vaporized into milkshake, and Xavier...well, there's that final scene (I knew I should have stayed seeing as several people were sitting on the credits). Dunno abut Jean...maybe they'll do this whole Phoenix resurrection shit again.
Most of the crowd I went with actually laughed at the Juggernaut quote, and for some reason clapped REAL loud when Angel saved his daddy from the plunge. :confused:
I sorta kept thinking that since Magneto had that "mutant gene activation" machine in the first movie, why not try to build it again to "regain" the lost mutant powers?
Best line in the movie (aside from the Juggernaut one): "Grow THOSE back!" (after Wolvie kicks the regenerating dude in the balls) :clap:
Movie was a letdown...not Batman and Robin caliber...more alike Batman Forever-esque.
Apocalypse seems like a shoe-in for the fourth movie....
CrouchingTiger
05-28-2006, 04:22 PM
Was I the only one annoyed by how often they showed Wolverine healing? It's like the director thought we didn't notice Wolvie had healing powers. Why can't they show him get injured, continue fighting, and leave it up to us to realize that he apparently healed somewhere along the way. They even go out of their way to pan the camera to his injuries to make sure we SEE them heal. Like when he was makin out with Jean, she scratched his shoulder, then the camera panned down off their faces to his shoulder to see it heal. It's like the main point of that scene wasn't Jean and Logan going at it, but instead it was his shoulder healing.
The more I think about this the more it makes me sick. =\
The Damned
05-28-2006, 04:42 PM
I try to watch the movie as a complete and separate entity from the comic book; if I did, I would probably be all riled up about much it sucked and how many liberties they have takes with characters (Juggie=mutant, marrow=male?, Spike=asian?)
Juggernaut has been a mutant in Ultimate X-Men where this Ultimate fuck-up of a movie was ulitmately taken from.
The male guy with the bones was a much older version of the Spike (that died) from X-Statix/X-factor (not the current version). Though I suppose that a lot of people could have thought he was "Marrow" given they have "Callisto" and Leech in the movie; I think he's called "Spike" in the credits though.
As for the guy with the porcupine spikes, I would assume that he's based off the student Quill that's been in New Mutants (at least, he was in New Mutants before I stopped reading comics again...and most everyone lost their powers due to the Decimation caused by ending the House of M). However, for some reason, he's credited as "Kid Omega", which was the student Quint Quire's name after he got hopped up on Kick and then "died"/transcended.
So...yeah....
I'm listening to the director commintary for X2 right now. Do you guys think that they will get Brian Singer back for X4? I hope so.
I doubt so. Seeing both the amount of money that X3 has brought in so far and the apparent stupidity of FOX over the years, I don't think they're bother as long as Ratner can make enough draw to make a cash cow.
(Anyone think that "cash cow" is a weird phrase? You'd think they would use piggy bank, but no....)
how come it was day time on the bridge and then when they walked onto the island it turned to night all of a sudden?
They didn't think that you would notice. However, you're the second person to mention it after myself...so they failed; failure seems to be the only option for this movie outside of (initial) fiscal draws...which leads back to the problem of "the masses"...and the inability of the disappointed to get refunds.
Was I the only one annoyed by how often they showed Wolverine healing? *snip*
Nope. Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread. I forget whom.
For the record, Rhio was right.
Over the Hedge is a MUCH better movie.
Hammy > "Callisto". Time stop ftw.
Valaris
05-28-2006, 04:47 PM
Juggernaut has been a mutant in Ultimate X-Men where this Ultimate fuck-up of a movie was ulitmately taken from.
The male guy with the bones was a much older version of the Spike (that died) from X-Statix/X-factor (not the current version). Though I suppose that a lot of people could have thought he was "Marrow" given they have "Callisto" and Leech in the movie; I think he's called "Spike" in the credits though.
As for the guy with the porcupine spikes, I would assume that he's based off the student Quill that's been in New Mutants (at least, he was in New Mutants before I stopped reading comics again...and most everyone lost their powers due to the Decimation caused by ending the House of M). However, for some reason, he's credited as "Kid Omega", which was the student Quint Quire's name after he got hoped up on Kick and then "died"/transcended.
So...yeah....
That's seriously how it is in Ultimate X-men? Wow, now marvel is to be credited for the failure of Juggie's lore.
As far as The bones kid and Spike went I can honestly say I stopped reading marvel a while back though now that you mention it I do remember that particular "incident" with Quint.
In a way I'm glad I was wrong.
Edit: one thing though: they should really stick to one specific "time period" :/
D'Nyc3
05-28-2006, 05:08 PM
ROFL
Charles got BLAZED!!!!
Nuff said.
Anyways 2/5
Over the hedge > X3.
BTW - Did anyone saw the trailer for My super ex girlfriend?
Def. gonna see that.
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-Beastcoast
BudaFuka
05-28-2006, 05:22 PM
Most of the crowd I went with actually laughed at the Juggernaut quote, and for some reason clapped REAL loud when Angel saved his daddy from the plunge. :confused:
For some reason the audience decided to give The Beast and Wolverine a standing ovation when they "Cured" Magneto:confused:...
Conspiracy?:confused:
Probably not...
Valaris
05-28-2006, 05:25 PM
My friend and I were the only ones laughing at the Juggernaut quote. People looked at me like I was an alien or something. fucking ignorants.
Epicurus
05-28-2006, 05:30 PM
For some reason the audience decided to give The Beast and Wolverine a standing ovation when they "Cured" Magneto:confused:...
Conspiracy?:confused:
Probably not...
wtf, where do you live? The twilight zone?
kingofkod
05-28-2006, 05:39 PM
Hmm, for some reason i'm not surprised that Epicurus has a neg rep.
BudaFuka
05-28-2006, 05:49 PM
wtf, where do you live? The twilight zone?
Everyday is an adventure over here:lovin: ...
DaDesiCanadian
05-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Another thing about the cars on the bridge.. all their headlights were on, not just the parking lights... so for some reason, everyone there was driving around with their headlights on in daytime.. (since that's when they ditched the cars). :rofl:
Lvl.3
05-28-2006, 05:57 PM
- They killed Cyclops for no fucking good or valid reason but to create a love scene and get Wolverine even more deeply involved (yet again) in the main plot.
I thought the same thing, the guy had like zilcho screen time...Oh wait, that was NightCrawler who's actually had a role in x2, but went MIA in this movie.
The should have made two movies, one for the Phoneix Saga, and the other for "the cure". Just too much cramped in this one.
kingofkod
05-28-2006, 06:02 PM
Another thing about the cars on the bridge.. all their headlights were on, not just the parking lights... so for some reason, everyone there was driving around with their headlights on in daytime.. (since that's when they ditched the cars). :rofl:
Well for a lot of the new cars they have their headlights on all the time. I'm not sure why but someone told me it makes you see better in the day time...i guess it might be true....
BusterWolfe
05-28-2006, 07:47 PM
origin of 'i'm the juggernaut bitch'
http://youtube.com/watch?search=juggernaut&v=9puXA22JKDA
damn people, it's 10 pages and you people can't give a straight answer.
KarateKing
05-28-2006, 08:11 PM
just came from seeing it ...................... i wuz entertained but not worth 8 bucks imo. being a HUGE x-men fan they just did so much stuff wrong but i dont need to say it most of u guys already have and i didn't see psylocke someone tell me what scene wuz she in?
Shinto
05-28-2006, 09:02 PM
movie was wack
spoilers
fuc beast--pointless in the movie, all he does is poses ethical questions and pounce on fools---they dont even make much of him feeling tore between his role in the government and the fact he is a mutant -which i guess the reason he was in the flick in the first place
fuc angle---i trade all of angel's screen time for a cameo of gambit sayin c'mon mon ami
fuc icemen pryo---who really cares about these chars anyway, even if u do y built up a showdown between the two if their eventually battle is going last about 30secs not even a hot 30 secs when two samurai setle a duel with one dramatic blade stroke jus haddoken action---pryo sud of RCed-i guess more time to kiss wolverine's ass
fuc the script--imho the weakest of the 3, this dealt with pretty tough moral / ethical questions, the subject matter deserved more then the chessey dialogue and cliche moments it got
fuc wolervine---the XMEN isnt the wolverine show, the fact that they make him into the leader type role goes against the naure of the character, marvels best kno loner/rebel char playing a scott summers like position-getthefucouttahere, wats next frank castle going to thearpy, vicious calling spike "lets squash things"----"oh its the movie, not the comic, u sudnt come with those expectations", fucdat, i want wolvie to beast, cycke to lead-first two movies alone set them up to be these type of chars, no tto mention the mythos of the series
i guess i REALLY hated the movie cause u dont get the sense that it was a movie about a team, hell ocean's 11, 12 focues primarily on clooney and pitt but damn the other characters shined tho-the story cud have been written so the stars jackman, berry get their sceen time as well as other characters being shown to be integral to the eventual victory. That right there in my mind goes against the mythos of the xmen and the movie's gravest sin
God Damn...this man knows how to give a spoiler....
So Wait No Infintes was involved:confused:
Damn This thread has so many great stuff to qoute....
YellowS4
05-28-2006, 09:31 PM
*Random Thought*I wish i could find the image of Mystique when she turned human. She was lookin FINE!!!:hitit:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/60/mvc33wp.jpg
I have too much time to kill.
TheDarkPhoenix
05-28-2006, 09:35 PM
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/60/mvc33wp.jpg
I have too much time to kill.
lol
Please tech roll...
all i got to say is if Cyc. is not in part 4 im not watching it. Fuck Wolv. such a borring character.
surprised so many people "died." i thought it was a good movie, but maybe 'cause i don't read comic books
Angry Black
05-28-2006, 09:56 PM
movie had me sayin what the fuck is this shit alot of time, i only got three things to say anyway
1) sure juggy is a mutant in this movie, but why does a man wearing such a thick ass helmet get owned by a wall, i understand being a bit dizzy but out right knocked out
2) seeing iceman fully iced up was the hi point for me, but i was hoping i could of seen the dude sliding around the place on his ice slopes
3) and correct me if im wrong but isnt colossus only super strong when he is all metaled up, but yet the man is regular and carryin a 27inch tv wit one arm like its nothing
YellowS4
05-28-2006, 10:19 PM
http://superherohype.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-42937.html
After looking for the oldschool xmen casting call from Wizards, I didn't realize they did quite a few more movies.
Iceman - Craig Kilborn. LOL wow.
I do like some of the choices though. Yes I still think x3 as being... weak overall.
Lucretz
05-28-2006, 10:42 PM
Just saw this tonight. Not horrible disappointed but overall, not very entertained either. I think everything has been touched on so far in the thread, so I'll just say main disappointment for me were non-sensical character deaths leading to it basically being the Wolverine/Storm show. Cyclops got fucked over. HARD. I don't even like the douchebag, but I still felt bad for him getting that treatment.
That and I think they could of picked some better member for the Brotherhood/Morlocks. Avalanche? Blob? Non-getting-beat-by-fucking-Shadowcat-Juggernaut? I also liked how 90% of the 'pawns' didn't even attempt to use their powers, haha. They were just like, 'Fuck it, Ima run at somebody and get shot, and/or shanked.'
4neqs
05-28-2006, 10:48 PM
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/60/mvc33wp.jpg
I have too much time to kill.
Could you post a version w/o the text? Thanks in advance.
G.O.T
05-28-2006, 10:57 PM
movie was garbage.
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