Question for Muslims on SRK

[ace10]

What was the exact age of Aisha when her marriage to Mohammed was consummated?

[Bowza]

Some will have you believe that a girl named Aisha married him and they consummated their marriage while she was ofyoung age. These are according to some hadith, I personally believe they are false.(Then again Im one of the ones that dont believe in the hadith at all).

If the Quran is to be used as the law, the marriage would not have been consummated at a young age at all since only "women" are to be married not girls. So the prophet would not have violated his own message he was supposed to preach. It just wouldn't make sense.

[ace10]

Some will have you believe that a girl named Aisha married him and they consummated their marriage while she was ofyoung age. These are according to some hadith, I personally believe they are false.(Then again Im one of the ones that dont believe in the hadith at all).

Can you tell me why you believe its false, besides not following the hadith? and is there sufficient evidence (if any) in the Koran to to prove otherwise?

from what I've heard, it clearly states her age.... or am I wrong?

[Yamizaki]

The Qu'ran clearly states several times that Aisha was 9 years old when she was wed to Mohammed.

[Epicurus]

muhammed....hmmm


there is actually a video of how him and aisha met

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/YayPedoBear/pedobear7db.gif


fascinating.

[Mr_Punkus]

muhammed....hmmm


there is actually a video of how him and aisha met

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/YayPedoBear/pedobear7db.gif


fascinating.
HAHAHAHA! You fucker, I was expecting some mindless racism in this thread, but that was actually funny, if taken without the religious context.

[Atb_555]

muhammed....hmmm


there is actually a video of how him and aisha met

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/YayPedoBear/pedobear7db.gif


fascinating.

DRY! Cuntwaxer.

[thedude.com]

i'm watching .... don't get too far .

[Bowza]

The Qu'ran clearly states several times that Aisha was 9 years old when she was wed to Mohammed.


No it does not. There is not one place in the Quran that supports that claim. It is the Hadith books that state so.

[Bowza]

Can you tell me why you believe its false, besides not following the hadith? and is there sufficient evidence (if any) in the Koran to to prove otherwise?

from what I've heard, it clearly states her age.... or am I wrong?

Seeing as the only evidence of Aisha's existence comes from the Hadith. That's how I throw it out as evidence. Now not all my fellow muslims will take my side on it when I say it. But the Hadith themselves have numerous contradictions. Where they not only contradict each other, but the rules that are placed in the Quran itself.(hadith prescribes stoning to death an adulterer, whereas Quran says both adulterer and adultress receive 100 lashes).

The creators of the Hadith I have come to believe, simply placed in their own opinions and rules to change the religion. A writer of the Hadith didn't like dogs very much, hence the rule that dogs are now dirty. Even though the Quran makes no mention of such ruling, and infact has a story where some believers stayed in a cave with their dog companions.

[Yamizaki]

Seeing as the only evidence of Aisha's existence comes from the Hadith. That's how I throw it out as evidence. Now not all my fellow muslims will take my side on it when I say it. But the Hadith themselves have numerous contradictions. Where they not only contradict each other, but the rules that are placed in the Quran itself.(hadith prescribes stoning to death an adulterer, whereas Quran says both adulterer and adultress receive 100 lashes).

The creators of the Hadith I have come to believe, simply placed in their own opinions and rules to change the religion. A writer of the Hadith didn't like dogs very much, hence the rule that dogs are now dirty. Even though the Quran makes no mention of such ruling, and infact has a story where some believers stayed in a cave with their dog companions.

Could you perhaps elaborate further on the differences between the Qu'ran and the Hadith? Honestly, right now it seems like you rebuttal amounts to, "Oh, all the bad stuff that people think about the Qu'ran, it's really the fault of the hadith...uh....:confused: yea that's it...the Hadith..."

[Javid]

Could you perhaps elaborate further on the differences between the Qu'ran and the Hadith? Honestly, right now it seems like you rebuttal amounts to, "Oh, all the bad stuff that people think about the Qu'ran, it's really the fault of the hadith...uh....:confused: yea that's it...the Hadith..."

Well to deferentiate between hadith and Koran, you can look at it this way. The Qu'ran is the unaltered word of god, it is the truth. There is no alteration to it.

Hadith can essentially be equated to the sayings, teachings, and actions of the Prophet(PBUH). Now, the problem arises that there are many people who are credited to hadith. Person A can say the prophet did this, while Person B can say something really different. Some hadith can trace their origin to well over two hundred years after the Prophets death! Hence, this is where a lot of the problems arise. A lot of the hadith were written down when Mohammed passed away and one can't exactly confirm things like this. Hence, there are entire schools of thought dedicated to the studying of hadith and so on.

I'm not really sure with regards to Christian literature that much, but I think MAYBE one can compare hadith to that of the Christian gospel. Somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong.

[Javid]

Now is also a good time to mention that there are also many hadiths that say Aisha must have been much older than nine when she married:

http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm

http://aaiil.org/text/acus/islam/aishahage.shtml

http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id=935

Again, most attacks against Islam come against hadith and not the Koran. Such things will always remain ambiguous:rolleyes:

[Epicurus]

Well to deferentiate between hadith and Koran, you can look at it this way. The Qu'ran is the unaltered word of god, it is the truth. There is no alteration to it.

I'm not really sure with regards to Christian literature that much, but I think MAYBE one can compare hadith to that of the Christian gospel. Somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong.


The christian gospel-bible is what they believe is the 'unaltered word of god'.
They don't have a hadith.

Both cases are absurdities, writings of primtive men said to come from some vague supernatural being. Oh the comedy. :rofl:

[Bowza]

Could you perhaps elaborate further on the differences between the Qu'ran and the Hadith? Honestly, right now it seems like you rebuttal amounts to, "Oh, all the bad stuff that people think about the Qu'ran, it's really the fault of the hadith...uh....:confused: yea that's it...the Hadith..."

If you read what I said, I never said that the bad things people think about the Quran is the fault of the hadith.
Things like his marriage to aisha, ARE NOT IN THE QURAN AT ALL. I mean you said the Quran talked about his marriage to her "several times", where infact it never does.

Its more more like, the negative rules that you might hear about Islam, such as no music, no pictures/images, and other things(including most all of the so called "sharia law") are only found in the Hadith. I myself believe that the Hadith has corrupted the religion. The Hadith contradicts the rules in the Quran many times and invalidates itself since it is" supposed" to be the teachings of the prophet, but the Quran itself states clearly that Muhammad is only allowed to teach the Quran and nothing more.

If you want me to go more indepth about it, I can do so outside srk(unless the ruling on religious threads makes it ok now).

[EveryFlowerFlow]

The christian gospel-bible is what they believe is the 'unaltered word of god'.
They don't have a hadith.

Both cases are absurdities, writings of primtive men said to come from some vague supernatural being. Oh the comedy. :rofl:


:rolleyes:

[ace10]

Well, the other Hadith's do not say she's older, or state her age for the matter.

Now is also a good time to mention that there are also many hadiths that say Aisha must have been much older than nine when she married:

http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-004.htm

http://aaiil.org/text/acus/islam/aishahage.shtml

http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id=935



They're merely comparing specif times and events in correlation to her known age to disprove it. How is it possible that they know the age of his other wives but not Aisha?

[DaLastDon25]

The christian gospel-bible is what they believe is the 'unaltered word of god'.
They don't have a hadith.

Both cases are absurdities, writings of primtive men said to come from some vague supernatural being. Oh the comedy. :rofl:

Please don't say that all Christians believing in the Bible as unadultered word of God. I believe and some other Christians believe that the Bible is a great guide of living but is in no way fact just like many historical books of the era are.

I didn't come here to flame Muslims. I came here because I'm interested in all points of view. I know that in your religion as in mine there are many evils but also many goods. I come to this thread as a scholar and a human not a religious zealot.

[Epicurus]

Please don't say that all Christians believing in the Bible as unadultered word of God. I believe and some other Christians believe that the Bible is a great guide of living but is in no way fact just like many historical books of the era are.

I didn't come here to flame Muslims. I came here because I'm interested in all points of view.

mehhh who cares what you believe, I already made my point and its valid...
I never said 'all' christians, thats just something you imagined, delusions are common among your type. No worries.

Let me explain it again, so you understand - I'm talking about the typical christian & muslim - there is no hadith to go along with the bible.

The quran is to muslims, as the bible is to christians.
Hand is to glove, as head is to helmet.

The bible is the only thing that a christian 'would' believe to be the unaltered word of God, and many many do.
Do you get it???

Ofcourse there are different people who interpret shit differently...there are always exceptions, so don't bore me with your life story.

I know that in your religion as in mine there are many evils but also many goods. I come to this thread as a scholar and a human not a religious zealot.

What is 'my religion' ?:confused:
....I wasn't aware that I followed a religion, can you please tell me more about myself?:wtf::wtf:

[ace10]

The bible is the only thing that a christian 'would' believe to be the unaltered word of God, and many many do.


You're joking... right?

[Epicurus]

You're joking... right?


what the hell? How is that remotely funny or unbelievable?
Is there another sacred book Christians accept as the inspired word of God? If so, let me know.

[Bowza]

The comparison using christian literature doesn't really work out. A better comparison would be the jewish Torah and the Talmud. There are a few jews that have outright rejected the Talmud saying that it is only man-made laws.

[MrBlank]

What is 'my religion' ?:confused:
....I wasn't aware that I followed a religion, can you please tell me more about myself?:wtf::wtf:

I can tell you about yourself.

you like X-3 the movie. not everyone who saw it liked it but some people do like it. now if everyone who did like X-3 started a religion about how awesome it is... then by all means they would be the "Right" group....

But wait

The other guys who thinks X-3 Sucks made their own religion... they believe they are "RIGHT".... the movie is absolute trash, this must be the truth. They saw the movie and they have all the points about why it sucks and omg it almost brought me in...

But there is more?

The guys who say its AWESOME and love it also have all these points that make it AWESOME! so they are right... i just might go with them...

or...

Maybe we got people who dont give a shit regardless.... WE can call these guys Athiests.... well shit i like this option...

so your a PRO X-3 lover!!! well i dont give a shit...

[Epicurus]

The comparison using christian literature doesn't really work out. A better comparison would be the jewish Torah and the Talmud. There are a few jews that have outright rejected the Talmud saying that it is only man-made laws.


Your post is made out of fail.

What a baseless assertion. YOu must not know your christianity very well, since there are millions of them who prance around preaching it as the "inspired divine word of God".


Bible is to Christians as Quran is to Muslims.

ofcourse there are always exceptions, this is just how it normally is. Go educate urself kthnx.





MrBlank, i dunno wtf you are talking about, but I don't like it.:annoy:

[DaLastDon25]

That's funny. I just said that I was coming in to see what the thread was about and I wasn't trying to flame and you start flaming me. I didn't say you were a religious zealot just that I wasn't. Please don't get your panties in a bunch because I'm not bowing to your knowledge.

[Bowza]

Your post is made out of fail.

What a baseless assertion. YOu must not know your christianity very well, since there are millions of them who prance around preaching it as the "inspired divine word of God".


Bible is to Christians as Quran is to Muslims.

ofcourse there are always exceptions, this is just how it normally is. Go educate urself kthnx.



And you need to educate yourself with some Reading Comprehension 101. I never said that the Bible isn't preached to be the inspired word of God.

What javidjin was trying to do was make a comparison between the Hadith and some type of christian literature. Seeing as the Hadith is not believed to be the divine word of God, he was thinking there was some type of Christian book that is not taken to be the word of God. So in return I said that a better comparison was the jewish Torah and Talmud, where the Torah is taken as God's word and the Talmud is taken as man-made. Just as the Quran is to be divine and the Hadith is not.

Ok do you understand now? The comparison was not about the Bible to the Quran.

[Epicurus]

And you need to educate yourself with some Reading Comprehension 101. I never said that the Bible isn't preached to be the inspired word of God.

What javidjin was trying to do was make a comparison between the Hadith and some type of christian literature. Seeing as the Hadith is not believed to be the divine word of God, he was thinking there was some type of Christian book that is not taken to be the word of God. So in return I said that a better comparison was the jewish Torah and Talmud, where the Torah is taken as God's word and the Talmud is taken as man-made. Just as the Quran is to be divine and the Hadith is not.




This is what happens when you enter a conversation without knowing what the hell was being talked about.

Some guy said : "I'm not really sure with regards to Christian literature that much, but I think MAYBE one can compare hadith to that of the Christian gospel. Somebody correct me on this if I'm wrong."

This is what I replied to, this is where your confusion is. This guy thought the hadith was like the christian gospels, the new testament, the bible...Which is wrong. I corrected him.


Do you follow?


Ok do you understand now? The comparison was not about the Bible to the Quran

Wrong. The guy compared the gospels in the bible to the hadith. This is what the comparison was first about.

Next time, read what the fuck is being said so you don't make a fool of yourself, no one contradicted or cared about your statement about the torah and jews....

[Legend]

This is what happens when you enter a conversation without knowing wtf was being talked about.

It was asked what do the christians have as a 'hadith' or if the bible is their 'hadith'. And it is not. They do not have a 'hadith'. If anything, their view of the bible is similar to the muslim view of the Quran (divine origin of some sort).

Next time, read wtf is being said so you don't make a fool of yourself, no one contradicted or cared about your statement about the torah and jews....


lol

[Bowza]

stuff


You dumbass I was replying to your post that was telling me that "You don't know your christianity very well" when I wasn't even talking about the Bible in my post. Then you go on about how the Bible is to Christians as the Quran is to Muslims when I never brought that it up. When I said the "comparison using christian literature doesn't work out", thats where I meant the comparison between Hadith and the Bible doesn't work out. DO YOU GET IT NOW?

[P. Gorath]

you werent being very clear epicurus

[suleman]

Epicurus once again proves that he possesses no knowledge of religion.

I'm not going to get into the aisha's age debate. Non muslims here know nothing of her importance, other than this moot point made my christian missionaries.

Aisha's age doesn't matter to the religion of islam - it has nothing to do with the ideology. It isn't grounds to dismiss islam is what I'm getting at.

[Legend]

whow, so how many of you are muslims?

[Epicurus]

You dumbass I was replying to your post that was telling me that "You don't know your christianity very well" when I wasn't even talking about the Bible in my post. Then you go on about how the Bible is to Christians as the Quran is to Muslims when I never brought that it up. When I said the "comparison using christian literature doesn't work out", thats where I meant the comparison between Hadith and the Bible doesn't work out. DO YOU GET IT NOW?

Yes, I get it, I thought you meant "MY COMPARISON" doesn't work. I thought you were trying to contradict me because an idiot (DaLastDon25) was doing it, but in reality you and I were both saying EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKEN THING. That the comparison between the bible and hadith doesn't work.:sweat:












Epicurus once again proves that he possesses no knowledge of religion.




Wtf? Is that it?

You got any reason to say that? No?


Suleman once again proves he believes things for no reason. Good job you failure.



Aisha's age doesn't matter to the religion of islam - it has nothing to do with the ideology. It isn't grounds to dismiss islam is what I'm getting at.

Yes, the fact that Muhammed not only waged wars and had too many wives and was a pedophile in no way reflects on the authenticity of his fabricated God-cult and its ideology.

[OrangeCat]

What is 'my religion' ?:confused:
....I wasn't aware that I followed a religion, can you please tell me more about myself?:wtf::wtf:
I could take a stab at this. I imagine Epicurus doesn't have a religion since he expressed that he liked House M.D. because House is an atheist. However just because he doesn't have a religion it doesn't mean he doesn't believe in something. I assume, by his namesake, he subscribes to Epicureanism. Now I don't know if he actually read about it, or just read the graphic novel (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401200281/102-0640755-1532923?v=glance&n=283155), but it does say that Epicurus isn't as stupid as he sounds and more intelligent that some people give him credit for. But for all I know, all my ideas could be based in failure.

OC

[suleman]

Moot points... in which you have no knowledge of. Do you even know the names of the battles muhammad fought in? The outcomes?

[Epicurus]

I could take a stab at this. I imagine Epicurus doesn't have a religion since he expressed that he liked House M.D. because House is an atheist. However just because he doesn't have a religion it doesn't mean he doesn't believe in something which I assume by his namesake is Epicureanism.

OC


You attempt a stab.
You roll 11.
You miss.

I have a religion, but I don't do it religiously.
I don't subscribe to vague god concepts and don't gamble with faith, so my religious views are very clean, coherent and certain.

What they are specifically isn't relevant, and I don't have the energy to explain anything to anyone. So don't ask.


Moot points... in which you have no knowledge of. Do you even know the names of the battles muhammad fought in? The outcomes?

As I thought, you had no reason to make that baseless claim. You really are pathetic.

Anyway, your quiz question is stupid, naming some battles mohammed orchestrated is irrelevant...the only ones that come to mind are Khaybar...umm.. Badr, Uhud, fucken stupid arab names...I can't remember, there were so many.
The outcomes? People died, muhammed got more land more power more followers more gold and women to impregnant and spread his contaminated seed and mental-virus known as islam. Go figure.

[OrangeCat]

What they are specifically isn't relevant, and I don't have the energy to explain anything to anyone.
Well when would you have the energy to explain it? I'd like to know considering this thread's revelence is pretty much gone since this post. (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3152767&postcount=12) Or would a new thread be more suitable for your explanation?

OC

[suleman]

Weell, they weren't wars - they were mostly small battles between the ruling qureysh. There are islamic rules of warfare prescribed by muhammad... as he was no brute.. Christians and Jews went to war with all sorts of people throughout history, documented in the bible... moot points.

Forget about muhammad for a second.. since you're an idiot and can't respect the most influential man in history. Or rather... never mind the whole thing. I don't want to have a religious discussion with someone who doesn't believe in god anymore.

[Epicurus]

Well when would you have the energy to explain it? I'd like to know considering this thread's revelence is pretty much gone since this post. (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3152767&postcount=12) Or would a new thread be more suitable for your explanation?

OC


Ehh takes too long, seriously. You probably won't even understand.

mix together: pantheism + zen + advaita vedanta + rigorous logic

and you'll see how my mind works on the 'religious level'


Forget about muhammad for a second.. since you're an idiot and can't respect the most influential man in history. Tell me why islam is stupid.

Without getting into too much detail, and examples of how islam and its followers have failed the world and hurt it, its ideology, baseless theories, and overall rubbish I will simply say, it is stupid becase:

It enslaves people. It is submission. It gives people slavery and faith, instead of freedom and knowledge.

[suleman]

Of course its submission. It's in the name.. Muslim = one who submits himself to the will of god (basically).

Islam didn't take away knowledge.. it created it:
http://bahai-library.org/books/islamic.contributions.html
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm

[Epicurus]

Of course its submission. It's in the name.. Muslim = one who submits himself to the will of god (basically).

Islam didn't take away knowledge.. it created it:
http://bahai-library.org/books/islamic.contributions.html
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm


Yes, but they don't submit to God. They can't.

They submit to the teachings, the writings, the rituals and the ideas they borrowed from some man named Muhammed.

They are slaves to these ideas and will continue to suffer and make those around them suffer. And their violence and ignorance is spreading very quickly these days.

Islam offers no new knowledge, no freedom and no happiness, only a belief system that promises happiness after you die while you become a bound and blind slave on earth. A slave to a primitive dogma created by some glorified pedophile warlord.


GOod luck, I hope you cure your mental disease soon. =]

[suleman]

You haven't read the qur'an, have you. I really got you on that knowledge thing, didn't I.

Anyway, its cool that you don't believe god wants to be worshipped and that he has sent down messengers to his peons/pawns... whatever.

If hapiness is venerial diseases and ignorance.. i don't want it. I'd rather live like a slave (I don't live like a slave) for 50 years and then live forever like a king.

No new knowledge? You cretin... don't make me copy and paste webpages.. i've linked them for you. or i guess i will anyway:

What is Taught: Isaac Newton's 17th century study of lenses, light and prisms forms the foundation of the modern science of optics.

What Should be Taught: In the 1lth century al-Haytham determined virtually everything that Newton advanced regarding optics centuries prior and is regarded by numerous authorities as the "founder of optics. " There is little doubt that Newton was influenced by him. Al-Haytham was the most quoted physicist of the Middle Ages. His works were utilized and quoted by a greater number of European scholars during the 16th and 17th centuries than those of Newton and Galileo combined.
---

What is Taught: The Greeks were the developers of trigonometry.

What Should be Taught: Trigonometry remained largely a theoretical science among the Greeks. It was developed to a level of modern perfection by Muslim scholars, although the weight of the credit must be given to al-Battani. The words describing the basic functions of this science, sine, cosine and tangent, are all derived from Arabic terms. Thus, original contributions by the Greeks in trigonometry were minimal.
---
What is Taught: The science of geography was revived during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries when the ancient works of Ptolemy were discovered. The Crusades and the Portuguese/Spanish expeditions also contributed to this reawakening. The first scientifically-based treatise on geography were produced during this period by Europe's scholars.

What Should be Taught: Muslim geographers produced untold volumes of books on the geography of Africa, Asia, India, China and the Indies during the 8th through 15th centuries. These writings included the world's first geographical encyclopedias, almanacs and road maps. Ibn Battutah's 14th century masterpieces provide a detailed view of the geography of the ancient world. The Muslim geographers of the 10th through 15th centuries far exceeded the output by Europeans regarding the geography of these regions well into the 18th century. The Crusades led to the destruction of educational institutions, their scholars and books. They brought nothing substantive regarding geography to the Western world.
---
What is Taught: Purified alcohol, made through distillation, was first produced by Arnau de Villanova, a Spanish alchemist, in 1300 A.D.

What Should be Taught: Numerous Muslim chemists produced medicinal-grade alcohol through distillation as early as the 10th century and manufactured on a large scale the first distillation devices for use in chemistry. They used alcohol as a solvent and antiseptic.
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What is Taught: The first surgery performed under inhalation anesthesia was conducted by C.W. Long, an American, in 1845.

What Should be Taught: Six hundred years prior to Long, Islamic Spain's Az-Zahrawi and Ibn Zuhr, among other Muslim surgeons, performed hundreds of surgeries under inhalation anesthesia with the use of narcotic-soaked sponges which were placed over the face.


AMONG OTHERS.

[OrangeCat]

Ehh takes too long, seriously. You probably won't even understand.

mix together: pantheism + zen + advaita vedanta + rigorous logic

and you'll see how my mind works on the 'religious level'

Kinda a baseless arguement saying that I won't understand. But how about this...I find you the name of the song in the BG of this video (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3042210#post3042210) for you and instead of a promised nickel; you write up your explanation? If you've already found it...then again perhaps you could probably direct me to any pre-existing article that reflects your beliefs. Besides, it's not like taking time to explain your beliefs is any worst that some of the other threads here. In fact it'd be better.

OC

[Epicurus]

Kinda a baseless arguement saying that I won't understand. But how about this...I find you the name of the song in the BG of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygtbTFKeA0) for you and instead of a promised nickel; you write up your explanation? If you've already found it...then again perhaps you could probably direct me to any pre-existing article that reflects your beliefs. Besides, it's not like taking time to explain your beliefs is any worst that some of the other threads here. In fact it'd be better.

OC


How about this, i'll make a new thread about my thoughts and religious/philosophical views, then you can post yours or critisize mine, and then we can do our nails and talk about boys tee hee :lovin:

But as it is now, I'm much too lazy and uninspired to write anything interesting.

SOON. Ok?


ps- I already found that BG song, thnx anyway



suleman - the hungry man needs food now, not after he dies
you can be free now not after you die, its up to you ;)
Drop the chains that bind you, and take care

[suleman]

Yes please discuss your 'pantheism' so i can make fun of your religion.

[OrangeCat]

How about this, i'll make a new thread about my thoughts and religious/philosophical views, then you can post yours or critisize mine, and then we can do our nails and talk about boys tee hee :lovin:

But as it is now, I'm much too lazy and uninspired to write anything interesting.

SOON. Ok?


ps- I already found that BG song, thnx anyway
I don't really intend to criticize your beliefs just like to know that's all. Plus please fuck off with the nails and talking about boys, I've done enough of that shit before grade 2 when I realized I was a boy, not a girl though some people still beg to differ. But thanks and here's seeing it soon.

P.S. what was the name of that song BTW?

OC

[BEWD]

@Epicurus: Fine it's pretty evident you hate Muslims and Islam, why the hell are you posting in this thread then? You've torn it down enough I believe, don't be telling them what to do with their religion, as it's their right to practice whatever they want, irregardless of how you feel about it.

This thread's about Aisha(who I admittedly, have no idea of who she is) not your hatred for Islam. If you can't answer his question(which it seems no one can with all the conflicting info) and leave, make an anti islam thread if you wish. This isn't a flame or attack, so no need for you to get your feathers ruffled, just my viewpoint.

[OrangeCat]

@Epicurus: Fine it's pretty evident you hate Muslims and Islam, why the hell are you posting in this thread then? You've torn it down enough I believe, don't be telling them what to do with their religion, as it's their right to practice whatever they want, irregardless of how you feel about it.

This thread's about Aisha(who I admittedly, have no idea of who she is) not your hatred for Islam. If you can't answer his question(which it seems no one can with all the conflicting info) and leave, make an anti islam thread if you wish. This isn't a flame or attack, so no need for you to get your feathers ruffled, just my viewpoint.
It's more evident that he's more like Serpent than any other poster on the board. And if any SRKer could understand that, then you'd realize that you don't need to post stuff like this.

OC

[Bowza]

Yes, the fact that Muhammed not only waged wars and had too many wives and was a pedophile in no way reflects on the authenticity of his fabricated God-cult and its ideology.

You don't realize that the purpose of having a wife in Islam is not necessarily just "lets have kids", but it was used as a connection so that you could support a poor woman. So if you were to have one wife, and there was a woman you wished to support with income, you could also "marry" her. Doesn't mean you're using her as a sex slave which is what you're implying. Not only that but if your current wife doesn't like the idea of you having another wife, well then you can't have another, according to the Quran. So the women have the control in this situation.

However, the people of the time in that area, they valued things like sexual prowess very much. There is a Hadith that claims that Muhammad had the "sexual power of 30 men". This Hadith had obviously stemmed from the claims of someone who thought that was a cool idea. An yet gives another example to why, I personally, know that the Hadith themselves are all fabricated.(they simply elevate Muhammad's status beyond a normal person, which would go against the Quran).

[Higher-Jin]

NO RELIGIOUS THREADS, god will you two just please... SHUT...THE HELL... UP?!

GD mods, a little help? BTW, both of you are coming off as self-righteous, arrogant pricks.

[DaDesiCanadian]

NO RELIGIOUS THREADS, god will you two just please... SHUT...THE HELL... UP?!

GD mods, a little help? BTW, both of you are coming off as self-righteous, arrogant pricks.

Shh.

Yes Epicurus, PLEASE make a religion thread, they're all welcomed here. We would love to hear your highly intelligent and verbose views on it. Such as your claim that the Bible is what Christians think is the pure unadulterated word of God, even though the Bible itself consists of Books written by various people. Please please please make a religion thread.

[$|-|U(V)AYeL]

lol religion

[white shadow]

Shh.

Yes Epicurus, PLEASE make a religion thread, they're all welcomed here. We would love to hear your highly intelligent and verbose views on it. Such as your claim that the Bible is what Christians think is the pure unadulterated word of God, even though the Bible itself consists of Books written by various people. Please please please make a religion thread.
lol To be fair though the majority of denominations believe that these men who wrote the books were 'enlightened' by the power of the holy ghost, which still makes it infalliable. Except for the book of Enoch and a few other devil-tainted books.:rolleyes:

-Higher King James!

[Epicurus]

Shh.

Yes Epicurus, PLEASE make a religion thread, they're all welcomed here. We would love to hear your highly intelligent and verbose views on it. Such as your claim that the Bible is what Christians think is the pure unadulterated word of God, even though the Bible itself consists of Books written by various people. Please please please make a religion thread.


Explaining how christians believe their bible to be inspired by God is like making a thread explaining how grass is green and how shit stinks.

Yes, it was written by people you dipshit, what else is new? Christians believe the holy ghost inspired those people and their writing is thus 'the word of God'....
refer to white shadows post - ^

I dunno what fucken world you live in, but the majority of christians believe their bible was written by men who were inspired by God and many of them believe there are no contradictions and mistakes in it - thus making it infallible, maybe if you talked to some christians in real life and did some research you would understand how their view of the bible is similar to the muslim view of the Quran.
Except muhammed wasn't 'inspired' he was told what to write by Gabriel or something. Either way, they are both believed to have divine origins. I only hope you educate yourself before fucken falling down on your face everytime you post.

ps - we know there are exceptions to observations and not ALL christians believe the bible to be infallible & inspired by God.....but many many denominations do



I don't really want to make a religion thread, they are boring.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I only hope you educate yourself before fucken falling down on your face everytime you post.


Actually, that seems to be the general opinion of YOU. :rofl:

Seriously, please make a religion thread. An internet troll claiming to be a follower of Vedanta. This is something completely new.

[Epicurus]

Actually, that seems to be the general opinion of YOU. :rofl:

Seriously, please make a religion thread. An internet troll claiming to be a follower of Vedanta. This is something completely new.


patience young grasshopper

[Atb_555]

Yes, but they don't submit to God. They can't.

They submit to the teachings, the writings, the rituals and the ideas they borrowed from some man named Muhammed.

They are slaves to these ideas and will continue to suffer and make those around them suffer. And their violence and ignorance is spreading very quickly these days.

Islam offers no new knowledge, no freedom and no happiness, only a belief system that promises happiness after you die while you become a bound and blind slave on earth. A slave to a primitive dogma created by some glorified pedophile warlord.


GOod luck, I hope you cure your mental disease soon. =]


Dude you talk so much shit! You don't know anything about religion!

[ace10]

Yes, but they don't submit to God. They can't.

They submit to the teachings, the writings, the rituals and the ideas they borrowed from some man named Muhammed.

They are slaves to these ideas and will continue to suffer and make those around them suffer. And their violence and ignorance is spreading very quickly these days.

Islam offers no new knowledge, no freedom and no happiness, only a belief system that promises happiness after you die while you become a bound and blind slave on earth. A slave to a primitive dogma created by some glorified pedophile warlord.


GOod luck, I hope you cure your mental disease soon. =]

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http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=77&P3=1# :sad:

[Doctor Who]

This thread is fuckin stupid. What the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) did in the name of Islam is nothing compared to what European Christians did in the Name of "Christendom" (the crusades,the trans atlanic slave trade, nazism, the KKK, etc.). If anything if not For Islam people like the Spanish Muslim Averroes would not have been responsible for relieving Europe of the Dark Ages.

[Septimus Prime]

I hope the original question was answered, because this thread is done. If the OP wants further discussion regarding the subject, he should PM whomever he thought had the best answer.