Gracie v Hughes

[ace10]

Can someone please fill me in on a play by play.

My current prediction is a Hughes win by UD.

[ReptarBar]

Ordered it on PPV. The fight got stopped at the end of the first round by TKO. :bluu:

Props to Gracie though for still fighting at his age

[ace10]

Ordered it on PPV. The fight got stopped at the end of the first round by TKO. :bluu:

dear lord.

[nothingxs]

Wait, what

Gracie got owned :(

[MAGUS1234]

If anyone thought that gracie would win, your crazy.

His last fight a couple months ago I think, he looked horrible.

[SuperSamyon]

What a hearbreaking lost. Ruined my night... Its one thing to lose, its another to almost get beat at your own game. Just ugh. Gracie should have never fought.

[ace10]

how bad was the pounding? was it a suspect TKO or an obvious loss... I've heard they had 20 secs left in that round.

[Slade555]

sherdog.com -
R1
Both fighters look very composed as the first period starts. After a brief clinch against the cage, Hughes scores a takedown directy into side control. Hughes looking for a Kimura. Gracie's arm is being bent back horribly. Royce escapes but Hughes gets on his back with both hooks in. The wrestler then pounds away at Royce's head until referee "Big" John McCarthy stops the bout at 4:39 of the first round. Complete domination by the champion.

[jae hoon]

Good, Royce was way to cocky comming into it. Going basically as far as to say he couldnt be beat.

[fishjie]

thats too bad. he really should have retired and ended his career on a good note instead of going out like that. ouch
:sad:

[MrBlank]

at least gracie can go out with the feeling of a loss for once...

the person who is oldschool i feel really bad for is Ken Shamrock.

he keeps getting beatdown and owning himself with those kicks that make him slip...

[Wolfkiller]

Poor guy. Fight was over before it began. Shoulda heard my friends, the Gracie nut huggers, calling bullshit on the ref call too like he wouldn't have been brain dead had they not stopped the fight.

[Super Warrior]

Poor guy. Fight was over before it began. Shoulda heard my friends, the Gracie nut huggers, calling bullshit on the ref call too like he wouldn't have been brain dead had they not stopped the fight.


Been quite a few fools out there who thought the ref stopped it too soon or something. Near the end Matt was just brutally mauling royce with zero resistance, on his back like that pounding him in the back of the head with royce at times just laying there like he lost conciousness.

Puh-lease....royce was long done by that point. Keeping it going may have resulted in needless injury, concussion,etc. for royce.

[Infested Jester]

Just watched it, is it even possible to make Royce submit? His arm was twisted up pretty fucking bad. Looks like Hughes realized he'd have to rip it off to make him submit so he went for the KO instead. In any case it was a clear cut victory IMO.

[Rodimus]

i thought this fight had the potential to be great, but man was i wrong. I figured matt would work his striking game, and gracie would just be patient.

Boy was i wrong, that arm bar looked brutal but royce show no emotion, oh well i still love gracie--and Matt is Matt. Hughes also looked very strong as far as his body goes.

[BornAgainCommunist]

at least gracie can go out with the feeling of a loss for once...

the person who is oldschool i feel really bad for is Ken Shamrock.

he keeps getting beatdown and owning himself with those kicks that make him slip...


call Shamrock the Give up kid.

Because that is what he is.

Regaurding Gracie.... :rofl: .... I mean the guy is not some massive dominator who cuts through peeps all across the world.. He never was. If his last name was Smith and he had the exact same MMA carreer, who the hell would possibly think he could pull of a win? Nobody

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

lol did you guys watch the diego vs the other dood? the fight where diego ended it with the entire third round on the other guy's back? it was pretty funny

i disagree about the armbar though, it just didn't look proper. sure it was bent funny, but royce gracie looks really flexible and the positioning was all wrong. matt hughes couldn't sink in the kimura or armbar or whatever the fuck it was, cuz it was just a bad positioning. i personally think gracie coulda lived for another 20 seconds. it didn't look like domination at all, not until gracie left his back exposed

with that being said, i made $15 off the fight! off of three $5 money bets cuz i thought hughes was gonna win!

[voodazz]

At first I wanted Gracie to win because I'm always for the underdog, but after seeing his interviews I started thinking that the cocky bastard needed a good beatin'.

Good for Matt.

[MAGUS1234]

lol did you guys watch the diego vs the other dood? the fight where diego ended it with the entire third round on the other guy's back? it was pretty funny

i disagree about the armbar though, it just didn't look proper. sure it was bent funny, but royce gracie looks really flexible and the positioning was all wrong. matt hughes couldn't sink in the kimura or armbar or whatever the fuck it was, cuz it was just a bad positioning. i personally think gracie coulda lived for another 20 seconds. it didn't look like domination at all, not until gracie left his back exposed

with that being said, i made $15 off the fight! off of three $5 money bets cuz i thought hughes was gonna win!


THe ligiments in his arm are shredded, if you watch the fight close it looks like he starts to tap. Complete and udder domination, I hate seeing a legend fight current champs, its a debacle.

[Plutoburn]

Just watched it, is it even possible to make Royce submit? His arm was twisted up pretty fucking bad. Looks like Hughes realized he'd have to rip it off to make him submit so he went for the KO instead. In any case it was a clear cut victory IMO.


No one in the Gracie family want to be known as the first Gracie to tap to a sub in MMA. Both Royler and Renzo got kimura the shit out of them by Sakuraba but they still wouldn't tap, ref had to stop the fights because one of Renzo's bone popped. I think Royce already accepted the fact that he would rather have his elbow broken than to tap to Hughes, that's why he looked so calm.

[FallingEdge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPPU_d_b_Y

[*InVeRs3*]

Wow, Royce has aged quite a bit!

[Javid]

What a devastating loss. To see Royce in the locker room afterwards and him actually showing emotion...

Also, to lose in front of your father, your mentor that must also be devastating. He'll be back though...

[SirSmooth]

i was rooting for royce because he was the underdog and a legend of sorts...but i knew all along matt hughes was too cockstrong to be phased by old school though...pretty much didnt see any chance of royce takin' this one...

at least gracie can go out with the feeling of a loss for once...

the person who is oldschool i feel really bad for is Ken Shamrock.

he keeps getting beatdown and owning himself with those kicks that make him slip...

haha, cosign....and its a shame what tito ortiz is gonna do to him when they fight again...shamrock should give it a rest....this man is destroying what legacy he may have had...

[Rock2k1]

Too bad for Royce. Hughes was definetely on that night.

[Perfect Cell]

Hughes seems so unbeatable,.... then I look at him vs BJ Pen vid from time to time lol. He cried about as bad that night as Royce did vs Hughes.


I wonder if Royce even trained for his fight. He didn't look prepared at all, did anyone get a look at those 1st kicks he did? They looked like something out of Shingo and Clark's Book of Lazyfoot Kombat. It was sad, I was there at the staples center. All that hyped up godly music that played when Royce came out only to get streached and beaten. To make matters worse, "he'll be back". If he insist on revenge he should train like a demon and come back as Evil Royce,....raging demon Matt's ass.


Edit: most typo's ever! damn

[Sex Cowboy]

I think what happened was that Royce saw Sak in the crowd and lost all his will. Or it could just be that he's old and out of the game. I don't know.

Well, the good news is Royce got a cool mil to wipe his tears with.

[EVERDRED]

gracie wasnt fighting the way that got him his fame... stand up kicks? gracie didnt even have his hands up properly (watch his training vids gracie has terrible stand up)... he should have done what he does best.

but not to take anything away from hughes but when you have equally good wrestling, submission and striking skills it just makes it that much harder to look out for yourself ground or standing. gracie is lucky he didnt jump on hughes and have him carry him off to a corner for a slam followed by ground pound, that's like 50% gone right there.

does anyone think gracie intentionally didnt want to tap out of that arm bar? cus matt had him in it... i think matt didnt want to break his arm and let it go out of respect. cus i think gracie was way too prideful to tap out of it cus matt definently had it.

[J-ride]

^ Yeah, I haven't watched the fight yet (I'll check it out when I get back to my apartment) but in general, guys in the UFC now are light years above the scrubs that Royce fought in UFC 1+2. Yeah, Bjj is a good martial art and can dominate someone who doesn't know grappling, but against a guy who has a solid grappling and standup game? Not happening. But, I do respect the Gracies for changing the way people think about fighting.

[Shodokan123]

royce is too cocky and full of him self.

I wont go into my ninjutsu experience with him squaring off against shirishi... nvm i will.

My sensei was going for his 5th dan in togakure ryu ninjutsu at the hombu dojo in tokyo japan. One of the students there brought royce in to watch and see the art style, but apparently royce just wanted to go to "spar" with the trainers. Royce asked shirishi to spar, but he only got this response "we don't spar, we fight." Royce was furious so he simply stated "ok, we'll fight then." Shirishi told him to sit and let class finish. Once class was over they lined up. Royce threw a few punches and went to take shirishi to the ground. Shirishi dodged and kicked him straight in the throat causing him to pass out. They then proceeded to drag him out of the dojo and into the street, where they then called an ambulence.


Royce is horrible, i have no respect for him. Sure he helped bring BJJ along, but that alone does not accredit and make it ok for his ego to be so large.

[Truong]

I have no idea why Royce would take this fight. Imo, this totally fucked up his legacy, and ruined the whole mystique of being a legend. Outside of TUF scrubs who fell for the hype, everyone knew Hughes was going to win this fight, and win it in a dominating fashion. I guess the lure of the mighty dollar was too tempting.

[Sex Cowboy]

does anyone think gracie intentionally didnt want to tap out of that arm bar? cus matt had him in it... i think matt didnt want to break his arm and let it go out of respect. cus i think gracie was way too prideful to tap out of it cus matt definently had it.
yah, like Plutoburn said the Gracies don't like tapping. Sakuraba fucked up dude's arm hard with a kimura and the ref had to stop it. Royce looked like he came close to tapping when Sak had him in the knee bar, though.

[kHAoS]

yah, like Plutoburn said the Gracies don't like tapping. Sakuraba fucked up dude's arm hard with a kimura and the ref had to stop it. Royce looked like he came close to tapping when Sak had him in the knee bar, though.

Not trying to pick on anyone, but since when does anyone like tapping out? That being said, I have no clue how Royce was able to hold out and not tap, plus, I'd be really curious to see how his arm is feeling today. I think the world of MMA has passed the Gracie's by. Not only have the rules changed, but I think MMA fighters have honed their skills by learning different arts and tactics, instead of focusing on one specific form or martial art. I don't think there's ever gonna be a Gracie who can dominate UFC again, unless he learns something else outside of BJJ.

[EVERDRED]

yea, matt got the arm bar and broke it, royce like a dumbass didn't tap. =/

[J-ride]

Snip

I don't believe you. Say he did a double leg takedown, how the hell did the guy *dodge* a double leg? The distance that you would do a double leg would be too close for a guy to kick you in the throat. The best defense is sprawl and knee, but the guy is still gonna be too close for you to kick in the throat. Not to mention the fact that BJJ practitioners push kick a guy to mess with his balance long enough allow the guy to get in without being kneed, which is why you have to stop the guy first, by sprawling, then knee his ass. I call bullshit.

[MAGUS1234]

I don't believe you. Say he did a double leg takedown, how the hell did the guy *dodge* a double leg? The distance that you would do a double leg would be too close for a guy to kick you in the throat. The best defense is sprawl and knee, but the guy is still gonna be too close for you to kick in the throat. Not to mention the fact that BJJ practitioners push kick a guy to mess with his balance long enough allow the guy to get in without being kneed, which is why you have to stop the guy first, by sprawling, then knee his ass. I call bullshit.
I thought we all just assumed it was BS.....:wonder:

[LimeGreenPatato]

I like how the UFC conviently left out his losses on his record.

[dano13]

Finally saw the vid, the link earlier was dead, but this one is working http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHp2JsgBbwU

The end was pretty brutal.

[ATM SPIDERTAO]

lol i don't know what fight you guys were watching, but SERIOUSLY

i can't honestly believe the armbar matt hughes did would have made anyone submit like that

anytime there was a potential for hyperextension, royce would bend his elbow. there was no armbar or kimura, unless someone went and talked to him afterwards and said the arm was broken... there's no way you're gonna break a guys' arm with you on top of him... just watch the fight above, it was a wierd position, but not even close to be a proper armbar or kimura or whatever

edit:

huh just watched the vid again and maybe he did hurt it, but didn't really look like it though since he was moving around and shit afterwards fine, WHO KNOWS!!!

i wanna see him crying afterwards though lol

[fishjie]

:sad: :sad: :sad: poor guy

[jae hoon]

What is funny is all the Gracie fanboys crying foul, saying they stopped the fight to soon. Their claim was Gracie could have got out, yeah they are right he could have got out. When he got knocked the fuck out from to many shots to the back of the head. That shit was game set match.

[Crimson Fury]

I thought we all just assumed it was BS.....:wonder:

Really. That's the funniest thing I've read all day. I'm sure if it happened people would've made a huge stink about it.

Either way Royce is still a legend. And where was Rickson? Armbarring someone in the back?

[blood_sin]

I was sure Gracie would lose going in, but I still wanted him to win.

[ninjabastard]

Post-fight interview with Matt

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=711

[Atomic Moth]

Good, Royce was way to cocky comming into it. Going basically as far as to say he couldnt be beat.


Yea, it's called hype. UFC pays the guy 2 mil to get out of retirement and fight their best and one of the most marketable guys, especially at a time when UFC is blowing up. Of course they're gonna make Royce say shit. He can't just say he's old and is going to get pounded.

And as for the arm bar, I'm sure it hurt, but I think it is professional courtesy not to break someone's elbow in the ring, especially a guy who has no chance of getting out of the hold. So I think Matt went as far as he should with it, realized Royce was not going to tap and moved on.