cartoon racism [Archive]

Etcetera

06-22-2006, 10:24 PM

maxx

06-22-2006, 10:30 PM

I thought this was about the obvious rasist cartoons like from way back. I can't think of any in perticular, the only thing that comes to mind is like that montage at the end of spike lee's baboozal (sp?)
It gets much worst than any personification that goofy may have... which I don't get really.
edit:

Forgot about dumbo, Jim Crow... doesn't get anymore obvious than that. Family Guy even took a stab at them once, "good ol' fashion family racism"

well see i wanted to reference some older ones but not everyones gurenteed to have seen older ones..like the jim crow stuff. especially people of vg's age..but goofy we have all seen. we've seen his old cartoons and his current stuff. i reference his current stuff specifically, because thats where they pushed the he's defintly black.

like before you could say maybe he wasn't black and we were seeing things..but goof troop stuff defitnly said his family and friends were black.

Rakukojin

06-22-2006, 10:33 PM

Anyone remember Sunflower from the earlier releases of Fantasia? Now that was cartoon racism.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/arts/sunflower1.jpg

KarateKing

06-22-2006, 10:33 PM

there are some looney toones cartoons u know what i piece of dynamite explodes in their faces they faces turn black and the have big eyes and big ass red lips uh.....uh?

VG Emblem

06-22-2006, 10:35 PM

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/cartoons/50.jpg

look at that picture and tell me what you see and actually understand...the link is a big ass hint.
All I see is a dancing crow and one looking at him with some fancy clothes and a cigar.
My point is, there's no reason to over-analyze stuff like this. That's it.

And yes, that girl is dumb, but it's not exactly like this is necessary or means that you're right.

Muff Daddy

06-22-2006, 10:39 PM

mass entertainment in the u.s. really took off with the travelling minstrel shows in the 1800s, so racist caricatures have always been a part of american mass entertainment - cartoons are no different ...accept it and walk forward.

maxx

06-22-2006, 10:41 PM

All I see is a dancing crow and one looking at him with some fancy clothes and a cigar.
My point is, there's no reason to over-analyze stuff like this. That's it.

And yes, that girl is dumb, but it's not exactly like this is necessary or means that you're right.

see obviously this thread is not for you. i gave you the biggest hint in the fucking world with those crows..and went right over ur head. u jumped into this thread not getting it.

google jim crow laws please before you further show your ignorance. also i recommend u take an african american history course in high school.

Best Kind Boxer

06-22-2006, 10:42 PM

Don't hate on the crows.. they were badass. It might've been "black", but I always thought the crows were personifications of mobster/slicksters wannabes. Guys with fancy suits and cigars weren't black AFAIK.

But then again, I was what... 6 years old when I last saw them? Maybe it went right over my non-racist head.

MrQuotes

06-22-2006, 10:47 PM

popo is one of the most racist portrayals of black people i have ever seen, and it's still on tv to this day lol..

there are a shitload of racist cartoons, i even remember the guy would even call them sambo.

Etcetera

06-22-2006, 10:50 PM

Best Kind Boxer

06-22-2006, 10:53 PM

Well, I thought they were cool.. reverse effects racism? lol

Dan?

06-22-2006, 10:58 PM

It's the leaning tower of cheese-a!

Yeah, there are racist cartoons. Way to go America.

Goofy is still my favorite Disney character after Donald, regardless.

Airthrow

06-22-2006, 11:05 PM

its personification. the dog represents black people...or more the view blacks are retarded.

Umm, you can't just say it and make it true. What is your proof that Disney intended to show how retarded blacks are through a cartoon dog? Or do you see certain characteristics in a character that ARE attributed to blacks by racists and assume the character must be racist?

BTW is Scrooge McDuck a jew? :rolleyes:

Wolfkiller

06-22-2006, 11:06 PM

Goofy isn't a dog!?!

VG Emblem

06-22-2006, 11:15 PM

see obviously this thread is not for you. i gave you the biggest hint in the fucking world with those crows..and went right over ur head. u jumped into this thread not getting it.

google jim crow laws please before you further show your ignorance. also i recommend u take an african american history course in high school.
No, I get it perfectly fine.

You think because the crows look "gangster" or that Goofy looks "retarded" that Disney had every intent to make them represent black people. That's a stupid assumption, you have no proof, and there's no reason to even worry about stuff like this. It's that simple.

VG Emblem

06-22-2006, 11:23 PM

BTW is Scrooge McDuck a jew? :rolleyes:
Of course.

Also, Casper isn't a ghost, he's a personifacation that all white people are nice.

OrangeCat

06-22-2006, 11:52 PM

No, I get it perfectly fine.

You think because the crows look "gangster" or that Goofy looks "retarded" that Disney had every intent to make them represent black people. That's a stupid assumption, you have no proof, and there's no reason to even worry about stuff like this. It's that simple.
The thing is the crows don't just "only" look gangster, they actually acted and spoke like the stereotype of black people at the time. Most of the time they protrayed the crows as sort of laid-back/lazy country type characters which was akin to the stereotypes attributed to black people at the time.

OC

VG Emblem

06-23-2006, 12:20 AM

The thing is the crows don't just "only" look gangster, they actually acted and spoke like the stereotype of black people at the time. Most of the time they protrayed the crows as sort of laid-back/lazy country type characters which was akin to the stereotypes attributed to black people at the time.

OC
That's still a bit besides the point that it's really not necessary to worry about such stupid things.

He has no evidence that Disney, infact, tryed to be discriminating against black people.

Rakukojin

06-23-2006, 12:40 AM

He has no evidence that Disney, infact, tryed to be discriminating against black people.
Disney has been trying to cover up their racist past for years. They've ordered numerous sites to take down video clips of old Disney cartoons that depicted racism (you can still find them online).

Watch these clips and tell me they aren't discriminating against black people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwCMmvI_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzT5-PD5S7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bek8ECIgkMc

Darkside3024

06-23-2006, 01:07 AM

zarmsway

06-23-2006, 02:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by maxx
see obviously this thread is not for you. i gave you the biggest hint in the fucking world with those crows..and went right over ur head. u jumped into this thread not getting it.

google jim crow laws please before you further show your ignorance. also i recommend u take an african american history course in high school.

No, I get it perfectly fine.

You think because the crows look "gangster" or that Goofy looks "retarded" that Disney had every intent to make them represent black people. That's a stupid assumption, you have no proof, and there's no reason to even worry about stuff like this. It's that simple.

Wow... Either you're really naive, or really dumb. I don't want to question which of these you really are, only to say that I'm thankful for the fact that you appear to be so blind to racism, which is both a good and bad thing in my mind. It appears that you aren't racist yourself, although apparently you can't seem to grasp the racism inherent in some forms of media. The examples given in this thread are hardcore proof that many animators (certainly before you're time) depicted blacks as waiting hand and foot on white people, and/or as being ignorant, lazy fools. Maybe you haven't seen racism. Maybe you don't know what racism truly means. Regardless, I think it is imparatiive that you learn, not only to educate yourself, but to understand how some people are treated negatively because of the color of their skin.

VG Emblem

06-23-2006, 02:35 AM

Disney has been trying to cover up their racist past for years. They've ordered numerous sites to take down video clips of old Disney cartoons that depicted racism (you can still find them online).

Watch these clips and tell me they aren't discriminating against black people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwCMmvI_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzT5-PD5S7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bek8ECIgkMc
Fine, that seems kind of racist, but consider this too:

If they acknowledged that that was racist, then why wouldn't they for everything else?

Like, per se, Goofy, who the thread was originally about. It doesn't seem racist to me, and that assumption is just really a long shot. It's a goofy-looking dog, get over it.

VG Emblem

06-23-2006, 02:44 AM

Wow... Either you're really naive, or really dumb. I don't want to question which of these you really are, only to say that I'm thankful for the fact that you appear to be so blind to racism, which is both a good and bad thing in my mind. It appears that you aren't racist yourself, although apparently you can't seem to grasp the racism inherent in some forms of media. The examples given in this thread are hardcore proof that many animators (certainly before you're time) depicted blacks as waiting hand and foot on white people, and/or as being ignorant, lazy fools. Maybe you haven't seen racism. Maybe you don't know what racism truly means. Regardless, I think it is imparatiive that you learn, not only to educate yourself, but to understand how some people are treated negatively because of the color of their skin.
I'm neither, I just think it's silly to jump to conclusions and over-analyze such things.

It's a cartoon character, a dog, and whenever I watch the cartoon, I think "Hey look it's Mickey's pet." and that's it. Obviously SOME stuff is racist, like the immediate vibe I got from that Sunflower shit is that she's a slave. But, I mean come on, Goofy?

atothex

06-23-2006, 03:51 AM

Partialartist

06-23-2006, 04:17 AM

I thought Goofy was just a hick. Anyway, Panthro was black, and he was the coolest Thundercat, so it's all good.

X-Treme

06-23-2006, 05:11 AM

Man I just saw the Siamese cat part of Lady and the Tramp the other day.

I had no idea how damn offensive that shit was, but after seeing it as an adult, it seriously pissed me off haha.

As for Goofy bein black, I'll buy that shit. How old is VG Emblem anyway? Preteen?

The siamese part was the only part that grated on your nerves with all their different stereotypical representation in that? Whoo.....

"queue Hyena laughter":rofl:

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 05:57 AM

vg emblem is like 14 so he doesn't know/hasn't been as exposed as us (i'm 22, so...).
ok, goofy being black...his name was dippity dog. he acts like a bufoon. i dunno. maybe, maybe not.

some cartoons being racist? YUP. the mammy from tom and jerry. "is you out of yo mind tom? git away from dat dea." the crow jim, half the characters portraying mexicans, etc. shit used to be like that and i was too young to understand. looking back though, yeah...

maxx

06-23-2006, 06:00 AM

i really wish i was a kid sometimes. not to dis vg..but honestly...his mind right now his a pure kid mid. its become very clear, he clearly hasn't dealt with racism, like some of us hjave and hasn't become jaded by the media. I honestly asnd truly envy vg, and i really hope he doesn't experience racism in any form. I mean everyone has their innosence shattered in childhood in some form or another. And as a group on srk, we may be unintentionally doing that. Its not nessisarily a bad thing, we are just opening his eyes to the real world. but maybe someone like vg isn't ready for the real world. Its very clear, he doesn't get alot of the concepts we talk about here and just see's a dog...honestly thats cute. I really and truly envy vg.

damn i wish i was a kid again.

am i grasping at straws..or was rosie from the jetsons black?

<---SiNN--->

06-23-2006, 06:01 AM

hear is a perfect example.

that black lady off tom and jerry had to be all big and dress like a slave with house shoes and a appren.then tom use to stick his touge out at the black lady.

the white lady was all nice looking and slim body.whearing a skirt and highhills.then tom never stick his touge out to the white lady.

then when tom as something to blow up isn his face ,he have a black face with big pink lips.

thats not rasist?

Ki Shima

06-23-2006, 06:31 AM

lol well i can tell u all, from an artists point of view u have to get an idea from somewhere, black people is an extremely high possibility, maybe its not an outright cuss to black people, only the artists can tell u its personal depth

debating about it is pretty pointless and stupid, goofy is just a walking dog? :rofl: no offence but maxx is right, but maxx it isnt worth worrying about

hold dat

06-23-2006, 06:38 AM

Valaris

06-23-2006, 06:41 AM

Yes he's a dog but his original name is "Dippy Dawg". I hate to generalize but that spelling of the word isn't something white.

Geese Pants

06-23-2006, 06:46 AM

Popeye is racist too...............

demiSe

06-23-2006, 07:19 AM

Who else remembers the piano scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where Donald Duck called Daffy a "goddarn stubborn ******"?

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 07:34 AM

^i don't but i have that video at home, so when i get home i'll watch it to confirm. and that av is not work safe...i could get fired for reading your posts. =/

lol well i can tell u all, from an artists point of view u have to get an idea from somewhere, black people is an extremely high possibility, maybe its not an outright cuss to black people, only the artists can tell u its personal depth

debating about it is pretty pointless and stupid, goofy is just a walking dog? :rofl: no offence but maxx is right, but maxx it isnt worth worrying about
i'm an artist as well (a graphics major), and you can clearly see that a lot of the cartoons back then were blatantly racist or feeding off of stereotypes.

evilmuffinmanX

06-23-2006, 07:37 AM

3-4:00=da truth!!!:lol: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxHfwhckcs)

final_cut

06-23-2006, 07:41 AM

I dunno much about goofy, but a friend of mine took his kids to see cars, and told me it was a 'racist crock of shit'. Racism is something disney has been dealing with for a long time. It was the one thing that was widely known amongst employees when I used to work for them in 1998.

Panicked

06-23-2006, 07:50 AM

That's still a bit besides the point that it's really not necessary to worry about such stupid things.

He has no evidence that Disney, infact, tryed to be discriminating against black people.

How's it not necessary? If it's so blantly offensive to a large number of people should they just not say anything about it?

Also, how is naming your a charater Jim Crow and giving him a stereotypical black personality -not- evidence, exactly?

FallingEdge

06-23-2006, 07:58 AM

You know what I honestly think?

VG isn't really 14 years old. He's a hell of a lot older and knows exactly what he is doing and is trying to just fuck with our minds. To him, it is just one big game.

Or not...

In any case, yes, the characters are stereotypes of blacks. VG, one of the crows are named Jim Crow. Do some research and see the connection between the two. And as for Goofy, never really thought about it but I'll have to agree with maxx on this one.

And on the topic of cartoons, remember Skeeter from Doug? He was clearly a black man. Even his father was your stereotypical, "angry black father".

SKEET SKEET SKEET!

versus addict

06-23-2006, 08:23 AM

its personification. the dog represents black people...or more the view blacks are retarded.

Then why is it that Goofy always comes out on top? If he is supposed to be black and "retarded" then he should be consistently loosing....but he never does. He's clueless for sure, but his name is Goofy....he's supposed to be fucking Goofy.

You're 100% on there being racist disney/other old cartoons though. The crows are black for sure, even as a kid I knew that. But the stereotype to me wasn't/isn't negative. I always thought the crows were depicted as cool, smart, hip country dudes who are in the know about stuff and they're gonna school Dumbo so he can get his revenge.....which he serves up cold. Sure they spoke with a southern accent and some slang....but thats not that over the top really. Consider that modern black cartoon characters today speak with a lot more slang and are depicted in a lot stronger light with respect to their race than the Disney crows easily. The crows are the shit in that movie.

As for the other stuff...yeah, some of its really bad. Bugs bunny schooling the Indians, Tom and Jerry's house keeper (which they actually edited the voice of the lady in recent years to sound like a passive white girl which is just stupid....bring back that "TTTTHHHHOOOOMMMAAAAAAASSSSSSS shit any day) and the Asian mushrooms in Fantasia just for starters.

BornAgainCommunist

06-23-2006, 08:29 AM

I thought Goofy was just a hick. Anyway, Panthro was black, and he was the coolest Thundercat, so it's all good.

Yup he reminded me of my aunts pot headboy freind, ED, when I was a little kid. He was a hick. Panthro is a cool black guy.

EDIT:

Who else remembers the piano scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where Donald Duck called Daffy a "goddarn stubborn ******"?

nice av.
Please tell me its not you.

KryptoniteBoots

06-23-2006, 08:58 AM

disney has racist shit all over the place and so does anime......there are so many sambos in fucking dragonball and in dbz it makes no fucking sense. i'm still lost on why there was no uproar about mr. popo, he is a fucking minstrel show sambo, and doesn't be speak really slowly and shit like he's fucking retarded. and i know when i was younger i had no clue what was going on but then they were re airing regular db when i was in high school and saw goku go up to this black ass person with pink lips, i never watched the shit again. and if you think "jim crow" isn't racist you have yet to study american history and learn of the shit going down in the south......the pokemon jinx is some racist shit too, look at her and look how slow and dumb she acts....when i'll find more i'll add them....after i calm down.

edit: here's something for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNEirNECAvs&feature=PlayList&p=DC66D57CCFBAF4CD&index=6

FighterX

06-23-2006, 09:12 AM

I was in a good mood until I read this thread.

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 09:59 AM

^c/s.

2hai

06-23-2006, 10:00 AM

Well i don't know about Disney characters, but some of the looney tune characters we know are based on black characters. I learned this in my American Slavery class 2 years back. Well if some of you don't know, Bugs Bunny and similar characters come straight from slaves tales. Of the main protangonist was a rabbit:smart, cunning, etc. In slave tales, animals were used as personafication as the black protagonist in order to fool their slave owners.

Adam Warlock

06-23-2006, 10:14 AM

3-4:00=da truth!!!:lol: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxHfwhckcs)
That shit is just UCKED FUP

Shinji Muramoto

06-23-2006, 10:23 AM

I would totally elaborate my thoughts and opinions on the situation, but the more i think of it, im better off not.

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 10:24 AM

oh shit, you posted. wtf. how've you been?

anyway, anyone notice how the water turns from clear to black in the sambo cartoon?

buyproduct

06-23-2006, 10:46 AM

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 10:54 AM

goofy is a dog. they said it in a cartoon. his name is dippity dog as well.

AkumaTX

06-23-2006, 11:19 AM

ah Watermelon :)

thurst

06-23-2006, 11:29 AM

No, I get it perfectly fine.

You think because the crows look "gangster" or that Goofy looks "retarded" that Disney had every intent to make them represent black people. That's a stupid assumption, you have no proof, and there's no reason to even worry about stuff like this. It's that simple.

lmao i just wanted to quote this bcuz it's so completely off the mark. take some history classes and stop being a moron, please.

edit: i just read the rest of the thread, and that betty boop cartoon is mad funny. the little black kid spittng the watermelon seeds at the guy was too good.

Jaldaboath

06-23-2006, 11:50 AM

Goofy? erm.. dunno. But how about Black Pete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Pete)?

Sk1llzThatK1llz

06-23-2006, 11:56 AM

disney is straight up rednecks.those cartoons that you guys posted was real fucked up.

OneInchPunch

06-23-2006, 12:13 PM

there were quite a few Looney Toon cartoons taken out of production also...

you cant have Bugs bunny calling Japanese people "nips" and "slanty eyes"

oh and that Tom and Jerry stuff.....thats some racist shit right there
Yep, propaganda cartoons during WWII. Walt Disney was a huge racist as well. Not sure if that evidence helps but he found the company after all.

Rico!

06-23-2006, 12:20 PM

not a cartoon, but anyone remember that show Nickelodeon had a while back called Allen Strange? The alien was a black kid and everyone else was white... even as a kid i found that awkward... Dont remember if there were any other black people on the show...

there were quite a few Looney Toon cartoons taken out of production also...

you cant have Bugs bunny calling Japanese people "nips" and "slanty eyes"

oh and that Tom and Jerry stuff.....thats some racist shit right there

EDIT: nevermind i found it on Youtube

Dan?

06-23-2006, 12:22 PM

Pluto is a dog. If goofy is a dog then why is he light years ahead of pluto in intelligence and communication.

I dont think goofy is black either. Just cause his kid likes hip hop doesnt make him black. Last time I checked eminem is white. Goofy is a goofy whatyoumacallit. Only thing I know for certain is that he is male.

The only good goofy cartoons are the old school ones. The ones in which he is put in every day situations and acts well goofy. Like this example here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ3RPPySgUQ&search=goofy%20cartoons

QFT

Old School Goofy never really struck me as having any particular race, and even in retrospect the old school cartoons for Goofy (where he learns to dance or take photography or learns to drive, etc.) were just Goofy being a klutz.

I'm not going to sit here and say that there were no racist cartoon characters. The Tom and Jerry one is pretty blatant, as are characters like Mr. Popo. In the case of the Goofy movie, however, I don't think it was a 'hey let's make fun of black people' so much as it was Disney trying to update the entire character outlook to appeal to a 'hip' young demographic.

Ninja Edit: But then again, it has been years since I've seen any of those cartoons or films, so I might be off.

OrangeCat

06-23-2006, 12:30 PM

That's still a bit besides the point that it's really not necessary to worry about such stupid things.

He has no evidence that Disney, infact, tryed to be discriminating against black people.
Not really. Everyone knows that cigarettes cause health problems, yet cigarette companies claim that there is not direct connection between certain ailments with cigarette smoking. In some cases, just because evidence has not been directly presented, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist; especially when it's blatently obvious.

I don't quite know where you're going with this That's still besides the point comment. If you're trolling, you're doing a bad job of it. If you're being stupid then you're doing a very good job of that. That's like you saying that the PS3 costs more than the Wii, but me saying:

That's a bit besides the point. The components you are paying for the PS3 comparatively cost *less* than the Wii by a ratio of 2:1. Financially, you are getting more for your money with the PS3
Regardless of my ass backwards logic (and yours) PS3 > Wii in terms of costs.

One last thing. Discrimination against black people doesn't necessarily have to have concious intent. At the time I imagine that drawing Black people or representing black people back then was the norm, that it wasn't considered wrong, or even considered right. It wasn't until afterwards when people said it was racist that it was considered racist. So it might be true that Disney didn't have the clear intent of being racist to the degree that some head animator wrote on the design sheet: "The coloured folk shall be represented by crows because they are coloured too." It doesn't really make the point any less racist.

EDIT: I should mention that Goofy being portrayed as black is a bit of a stretch. If anything he seems to have a Art Carney type quality although Honeymooners appeared in 1955 whereas Goofy was shown in other shorts decades before the Honeymooners.

OC

atothex

06-23-2006, 12:36 PM

The siamese part was the only part that grated on your nerves with all their different stereotypical representation in that? Whoo.....

"queue Hyena laughter":rofl:

I just happened to catch that part and nothing else.

Soundbwoy

06-23-2006, 01:58 PM

3-4:00=da truth!!!:lol: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxHfwhckcs)

Goodness, that even took a shot at the asians at 4:12. Not us bad as black folks though

Autocrat1

06-23-2006, 02:21 PM

For more Disney controversy:

Remember Song of the South? Or the REAL book adaptation? (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/986/disneyrabbit0dj.jpg)

That dude who was on "Atlantis" may have been ANNOUNCED as the first black character in Disney, but based on what we're finding/remembering that certainly wasn't the case in their eyes.

hubcapsignstop

06-23-2006, 02:50 PM

Now some of the cartoons posted are offensively racist, but i think that alot of people are overeacting to other certain cartoon portrayals as a knee jerk reaction simply because it is a stereotype of black people. I dont think that something can be harmful simply because it is a stereotype. Of course many stereotypes are harmful, but for the most part those are harmful because they are lies, nbot because they are stereotypes.
Making generalizations and categorizing is the easiest way to make use of knowledge (technology), it is how we are programmed. Each one of us does it everyday. It is also part of the mechanism by which people develope phobias and animals learn and are able to be trained. It doesnt make sense, to me, to draw the line at steretyping of races of people.
The only reason this is done is because of sensitivies that have developed because of this country's (or humankind's) racist past. that is why i said that i thought people were being too sensitive.

One last thing. Discrimination against black people doesn't necessarily have to have concious intent. At the time I imagine that drawing Black people or representing black people back then was the norm, that it wasn't considered wrong, or even considered right. It wasn't until afterwards when people said it was racist that it was considered racist. So it might be true that Disney didn't have the clear intent of being racist to the degree that some head animator wrote on the design sheet: "The coloured folk shall be represented by crows because they are coloured too." It doesn't really make the point any less racist.
now the crow things is blatently offensive not because crows are black and black people are black, it is offensive because of the reference to the jim crow laws.
to addres what you said; why is it harmful to draw anthropomorphic animals which are black in color as having the personailty of black person?
to go even further; why is it offensive to draw black people in that sambo convention?
it is a cartoon, a caricature. White cartoon characters are characatures of white people. The only difference is the sambo convention is done from a white dominated perspective, it doesnt seem to be done out of overt malice, hate (although im sure people today who are racist would recapture such imagery to mock other races just to inflame their sensitivites) . Is it offensive simply becuase it reminds you of that itself (white dominated perspective)? that is what i am thinking.

hubcapsignstop

06-23-2006, 02:54 PM

For more Disney controversy:

Remember Song of the South? Or the REAL book adaptation? (http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/986/disneyrabbit0dj.jpg)
this is kinda what what I amn talking about
the stories of brer rabbit and all them are black traditional stories made by slaves
b'rer rabbit was an intelligent, resourceful black character (disguised as an animial by slave storytellers), the tar baby was a trap i think (so you cant really blame the man for that one)

the movie 'Song of the South' was considered offensive becuase of the way the human characters act. The black older man is jovial, content southern black (slave ?), the white kids seem to be given more respect than the black kids...
but the stories of brer rabbit, fox, bear and all that are black stories i thought

correct me if im wrong
i could be wrong

*Im also not saying that disney or other cartoons were/are never racist

Arcas V

06-23-2006, 03:35 PM

Why are some people (ok maybe just vg emblem, lol) so shocked and find it hard to believe that racism is in cartoons? Racism can be anywhere. I don't get myself upset about it, but I do try to stay aware of it.

lol, I remember talking to my mom about Tom and Jerry a few months ago, and she told me about 'Little Black Sambo' besides she said it was a book, and her class HAD to read it when she was in grade school.... wtf?

As for Goofy, meh, I dunno... I haven't seen Goofy cartoons in a long time, but I remember he was ussually a positive charactor when he had his own cartoon, right?.... although I'm sure this isn't the case back in the day when he only had short episodes that wouldn't really have any story. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was influenced by racism.

hubcapsignstop, even if it isn't racist... showing kids stereotypes is just wrong and plain prejudice no matter how positive it is.

ViciousSLASH

06-23-2006, 03:56 PM

Wellman

06-23-2006, 05:23 PM

I think the thing with Mr. Popo on Dragonball and DBZ is the fact that he has a turban and wears genie clothes. So most people think either genie or Indian, thus they let it go. Introduce another race or outlook into the equation people let shit go, just like with the Disney shit.

I still don't get how Xiaolin Showdown manages to get away with having three out of four stereotypes as characters like it does.

The Mullah

06-23-2006, 05:37 PM

I suppose looking back it seems quite politically incorrect doesn't it? But at the time it was most surely an acceptable characterisation of peoples views of the black race.

disney is straight up rednecks.those cartoons that you guys posted was real fucked up.

This caught my eye because it's written in the style of how young black people often speak,(or some other racial minority). I often hear this speech from non human characters in cartoons in the morning before i leave for work (obviously without the swearing). In 50 years time are people on srk going to be raising their eyebrows and discussing the unfair portrayal of how black people couldn't even speak properly? Probably.

Lighten up ladies.

Riot Guard

06-23-2006, 05:48 PM

There is an episode of Ren and Stimpy that is extremely rascist where a black character comes out looking like 1920's all bamboozled like.

Dasrik

06-23-2006, 05:50 PM

Goofy obviously isn't black because Max is obviously a wigger.

DaliPicard

06-23-2006, 05:52 PM

Who else remembers the piano scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where Donald Duck called Daffy a "goddarn stubborn ******"?

:rofl: stop lying :rofl: LMFAO (I remember the scene and I remeber the sounds he made - but he didnt say that -- I dont think :lol:)

OrangeCat

06-23-2006, 05:52 PM

Goofy is a dog. His girlfriend was a horse.

Cartoons were also very racist, they still are today.

Look at all the shows produced in Japan with nary a black person.

Cartoons are racist, because everyone is racist, and that sadly will never change.

Also, Doug is the most racist show ever. Everyone was a different non racial color except for Doug, who was white. WHY DOES THE MAIN CHARACTER HAVE TO BE OBVIOUSLY WHITE ?!?!?!
Are you sure about Goofy having a Horse for a GF? I remember that Horace Horse and Cowbell were a couple to be, but nothing on the Goofy front. He seemed to be pretty much on the asexual characters on the show until Goof Troop.

OC

maxx

06-23-2006, 06:11 PM

donald duck and nazi's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFUhd3rIYlg&search=donald%20duck%2Cnazi

not nessisarily racist..but crazy to watch

ViciousSLASH

06-23-2006, 06:12 PM

Are you sure about Goofy having a Horse for a GF? I remember that Horace Horse and Cowbell were a couple to be, but nothing on the Goofy front. He seemed to be pretty much on the asexual characters on the show until Goof Troop.

OC

In the beginning the horse was his girlfriend. Maybe she was a cow. I dunno

Then that was nixed as more peeps joined the crew, clara cluck, the guy horse, etc.

But goofy is a dog. I should go get my animation book, I think it said.

Edit - Okay, Goofy is a dog, he was created in 1932. He was simply a member of an animal audience. Then he became dippy dawg. He is actually based on white honky rednecks. ( fuck you black people, always trying to make everything based on *******, fuck that, GOOFY BELONGS TO US WHITIES )

And Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow were the couple, you were right OC. They kind faded out.

HaiDuongRiceMan

06-23-2006, 06:14 PM

This thread makes me want to forget my childhood.

Æther

06-23-2006, 06:39 PM

Edit - Okay, Goofy is a dog, he was created in 1932. He was simply a member of an animal audience. Then he became dippy dawg. He is actually based on white honky rednecks. ( fuck you black people, always trying to make everything based on *******, fuck that, GOOFY BELONGS TO US WHITIES )
Or maybe the publishers of that book you're reading were paid off by Disney to kept their horrible, disgusting secret!! *puts on tin foil hat and points at imaginary satellite* I'M ON TO YOU!!:mad:

lol In all seriousness I don't think it matters much anymore what Goofy was back then. Sure Disney is a racist, psychopathic cyborg that eats children but I'm sure the company regrets what it's animators did back then. There ain't much to worry about.

Oh and about Mr.Popo. He did give Goku a run for his money...when he was like 5 years old...I'm sure that counts for something, right?:confused:

Nemesis00

06-23-2006, 06:40 PM

That shit is just UCKED FUP
I concur one hundred percent. The wailing cries. The watermelons. The same face for each baby. Jesus Christ, this may go on my MySpace.

flyboyz2000k

06-23-2006, 06:45 PM

donald duck and nazi's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFUhd3rIYlg&search=donald%20duck%2Cnazi

not nessisarily racist..but crazy to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jbA437FHFU&search=Banned%20Cartoons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS0kfydmDxI&search=Banned%20Cartoons

The first video link was way scarrier WW2 propaganda than what you got. The ending had me scared for my life, I felt really bad.

The second is a racist portration of japanese people. Needless to say it is really offending.

My sister tipped me of to the who framed rodger rabbit bit where donald calls daffy the N word.

My opinion of Goofy is that who could very well have portrayed a black person in the past, but overtime I think they have given him so much good PR and/or done a really good job at making look goofy that you really cant say that he is a black person.

Is speedy gonzales a racist portration of Mexicans? That is like one of my favorite looney tunes characters. I know the way they portrayed him is a stereotype, but I dont really see any negative connatations.

maxx

06-23-2006, 06:48 PM

Oh and about Mr.Popo. He did give Goku a run for his money...when he was like 5 years old...I'm sure that counts for something, right?:confused:

ya..so did ubuu and then gt hit and all black characters got majorily depowered lol.

Wellman

06-23-2006, 07:16 PM

ya..so did ubuu and then gt hit and all black characters got majorily depowered lol.

Come on now. Everyone but Goku (and to a lesser extent Pan) had their shit ruined in GT. And a case can be made for Goku as well.

MrBlank

06-23-2006, 07:20 PM

if you even dig deeper beyond the disney shit.

you will find that Cartoons were actually "War Propaganda" and "Racist Propaganda"

maxx

06-23-2006, 07:28 PM

Is speedy gonzales a racist portration of Mexicans? That is like one of my favorite looney tunes characters. I know the way they portrayed him is a stereotype, but I dont really see any negative connatations.

actually glad u mentioned speedy. i heard networks feared mexicans were gonna think he was racist and took him off the air. but then mexicans were like no he was a positive role model, cause he was a hero always taking down his oppressor.

Million

06-23-2006, 07:39 PM

Super Warrior

06-23-2006, 08:35 PM

ok my brain hurts talkin to this chick. tell me after reading this livejournal entry you get where i was coming from and that she's brain dead

http://maxx.livejournal.com/171977.html

Its annoys the hell out of me when some dumbass trys to designate a human race-type on goddamn cartoon characters that are not fucking human.

A cartoon dog is a fucking cartoon DOG, regardless of how it fucking acts. It is not black or white or jewish, IT IS A FUCKING DOG dumbasses!

Just like in Transformers when some jackass is like: "Duh G1 Jazz was the black transformer". Transformers are Transformers, it is not possible and also fucking stupid to try and slap a human race type on a goddamn ROBOT.

Damned Idiots...

maxx

06-23-2006, 08:41 PM

Its annoys the hell out of me when some dumbass trys to designate a human race-type on goddamn cartoon characters that are not fucking human.

A cartoon dog is a fucking cartoon DOG, regardless of how it fucking acts. It is not black or white or jewish, IT IS A FUCKING DOG dumbasses!

Just like in Transformers when some jackass is like: "Duh G1 Jazz was the black transformer". Transformers are Transformers, it is not possible and also fucking stupid to try and slap a human race type on a goddamn ROBOT.

Damned Idiots...

u dont get how personification works do you. you can put human attributes on non human items.

Sk1llzThatK1llz

06-23-2006, 08:50 PM

at leasts south park does rasist shit to every race.lol.word at least chef is the dopest character in south park and got all the ladies.word :rofl:

about the old cartoons,sad how bitch ass rednecks made good cartoons and mix it with there ignorance.i dont know about goofy but theres a big chance those fools did some rasist shit,but for everything else,it was fucked up,end of story.

Super Warrior

06-23-2006, 08:52 PM

u dont get how personification works do you. you can put human attributes on non human items.

I stand by my statements.

So what if their personality/behavior is a certain way, that does not magically make non-human cartoon characters bear a human race designation. *sigh* Fools...

I won't bother arguing this with you though, as i can tell your just stuck on your set of "beliefs", however flawed they may be. So i'm out.

ViciousSLASH

06-23-2006, 08:53 PM

Just like in Transformers when some jackass is like: "Duh G1 Jazz was the black transformer". Transformers are Transformers, it is not possible and also fucking stupid to try and slap a human race type on a goddamn ROBOT.

Damned Idiots...

Jazz WAS the black transformer. He was so smooth and cool.

maxx

06-23-2006, 08:54 PM

I stand by my statements.

So what if their personality/behavior is a certain way, that does not magically make non-human cartoon characters bear a human race designation. *sigh* Fools...

I won't bother arguing this with you though, as i can tell your just stuck on your set of "beliefs", however flawed they may be. So i'm out.

beliefs? i asked if you understand personification. thats all.

OrangeCat

06-23-2006, 08:58 PM

And Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow were the couple, you were right OC. They kind faded out.
HH and CC for KH3 kthxplz.

OC

Super Warrior

06-23-2006, 09:00 PM

Jazz WAS the black transformer. He was so smooth and cool.

Jazz was cool, but he was cool because he was a Transformer damnit.

So yeah, Jazz and Blaster are Not Black, Optimus Prime is Not White(or jewish), and Tracks was not hispanic.

They were TRANSFORMERS, and thats the only "race" they belong too.

End of fucking story.

maxx

06-23-2006, 09:06 PM

Jazz was cool, but he was cool because he was a Transformer damnit.

So yeah, Jazz and Blaster are Not Black, Optimus Prime is Not White(or jewish), and Tracks was not hispanic.

They were TRANSFORMERS, and thats the only "race" they belong too.

End of fucking story.

its not the end of the story cause you said it was, but didn't you say you were out? be out foo. get a steppin.

Mark Beast

06-23-2006, 10:01 PM

lol if jazz wasn't black then eddie murphy is heterosexual.

maxx

06-23-2006, 10:20 PM

lol if jazz wasn't black then eddie murphy is heterosexual.

a prostitute in hollywood might tell you different.

flyboyz2000k

06-23-2006, 10:22 PM

I think Slowpoke Rodriguez would get more complaints from the super-sensitive chumps of today. Slowpoke was like an image of a lazy, slow mexican.

still...Slowpoke was one of the funniest characters ever, imo. I still laugh when I remember how he would talk....kinda like a mildly retarded person with a funny mexican accent. It was great.

--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slowpoke_Rodriguez

That character is definitly one of the funniest looney tune characters. I remember only seeing him in one speedy gonzalez episode and then coming back home for a week wanting to see him when I was young. The character is definitly one of the characters where you are just asking to get sued. Thanks for the link.

For those who have never seen him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45-SQ-LKm0&search=Slowpoke%20Rodriguez

Manx

06-23-2006, 11:24 PM

Hahha Slowpoke Rodriguez is too funny.

dceptak0n

06-23-2006, 11:49 PM

While the artists that came up with the concepts of certain characters had to have "inspiration" from their percieved world, it doesn't automatically mean that everyone will share that same point of view towards the end product of that concept. Just because at one point in my life I viewed ALL "white" people as naive, selfish and untrustworthy doesn't mean that if I would have made a characterization of those attributes in cartoon form (at that time and for the whole world to see) it would have been accepted by those portrayed. I didn't "hate" them, I simply looked down on "them" and making fun of "them" was no big deal in the presence of my "superiority" which of course was only my point of view. Now imagine a whole culture who sees the "other" as an amusement with no problems of exposing their "quirkiness" in public.

And of course, I was young and stupid to think of a certain group of people in that light solely based on their physical description. Life has taught me that ALL people from ALL dominations and classes are more than capable of being naive, selfish and untrustworthy (+ much worse) in their personal character. Race is a social construct and those constructs create stereotypes that become contradictory because in reality you can find them in all people regardless of culture, skin color, etc.

Whatever man.

Perception is a bitch when no absolutes exists and exceptions are more than persistant. Exposure is the key.

Goofy is dope. So is intoxication.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 01:56 AM

This thread makes me want to forget my childhood.

For real. You find out that 75% of the cartoons you enjoy were poking FUN at your race, and you feel bad for laughing at them, but at the same time, you feel a bit of anger that shit like this was allowed to be put on the air.

a prostitute in hollywood might tell you different.

Hey, maxx - I think Mark Beast was agreeing with you. You're both on the money, btw.

I stand by my statements.

So what if their personality/behavior is a certain way, that does not magically make non-human cartoon characters bear a human race designation. *sigh* Fools...

I won't bother arguing this with you though, as i can tell your just stuck on your set of "beliefs", however flawed they may be. So i'm out.

While I do admire your ability to think outside of "race" (I wish more people would), don't be oblivious to the things that are right in front of your face.

Oh, and Jazz and Blaster were black in EVERYONE'S opinion. Well, other than yours. :wgrin: I know that Transformers have no race, but hey. :wink:

06-24-2006, 03:28 AM

1. There are certainly some cartoons that were racist. Some of these are hillarious, btw. I hope someone is saving these vids via keepvid.com or something, I can't get to YouTube right now, hopefully the vids will still be up in a few days. Anyway, to them, it was just cartoon characters being goofy, unconstrained by many rules regarding political correctness.
2. Racism isn't always malicious. Just because they drew something that people find offensive nowadays, doesn't mean they throw all black people in a pile and burn them.
4. Rosie the robot from the Jetsons was just a robot. Duh. She seemed a bit jewish to me, though. I guess it was the voice. Mr. Spacely struck me as being black, oddly enough, because he reminded me of George Jefferson (though this was probably not the intention of the animators).
5. Snaglepuss, the gay pink lion. Laugh riot.
6.

...
Just like in Transformers when some jackass is like: "Duh G1 Jazz was the black transformer". Transformers are Transformers, it is not possible and also fucking stupid to try and slap a human race type on a goddamn ROBOT.

I actually laughed really hard at this, and then yelled "what the fuck!!??" as I was laughing. I hope I didn't wake anyone. Jazz was HELLA black. I mean come on. You know it, I know it, you may as well reconcile with the fact that your favorite Transformer is black. You could also make the case for Soundwave being black. Taller than other transformers, hella bass in his voice. Actually a darker color than most other transformers...and he changes into a boombox. What the fuck more do you want?
7. For contrast, Bumblebee was clearly white. Others were ambiguous, except for the pterodactyl dinobot, who was Mexican.
8. Popeye. First of all, Bluto was a fucking rapist, I think. I mean he's always trying to kidnap Olive Oyl, and dude hangs out by the docks all the time, probably raping hookers. Secondly, I remember one old Popeye ep, where Popeye gets jumped by a bunch of Indians (not "Native Americans," a gang of injuns with feather headdresses and all), and he punches one of them in the face so hard that his face gets all wrinkly and he turns into Mahatma Ghandi. Because he was ....Indian. That was, by far, the least offensive thing in that episode.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 03:55 AM

I actually laughed really hard at this, and then yelled "what the fuck!!??" as I was laughing. I hope I didn't wake anyone. Jazz was HELLA black. I mean come on. You know it, I know it, you may as well reconcile with the fact that your favorite Transformer is black. You could also make the case for Soundwave being black. Taller than other transformers, hella bass in his voice. Actually a darker color than most other transformers...and he changes into a boombox. What the fuck more do you want?
7. For contrast, Bumblebee was clearly white. Others were ambiguous, except for the pterodactyl dinobot, who was Mexican.

I'm going to take it a step further:

Jazz (Black) - "They were were some UGLY suckas...." (on the dinosaurs)

Blaster (Black) - "Look out and SHOUT! OW!" (one of my fav lines from him)

Hoist (British) - "Tally-ho!" (He had a HEAVY British accent)

Tracks (Snobby rich White or British)

Mirage (Snobby rich white guy) - (His Bio mentions he hunts Cyberfoxes)

Beachcomber (Black? Dude was really laid back) - "A be-bop..be-be-bop".

Trailbreaker (Black/white) - Always seemed like the "older brother"

...and on top of that (I just remembered) watch "Only Human" in Season 3. Ultra Magnus, Springer, R.C. and Rodimus Prime both turn human for a day.

Shade

06-24-2006, 03:55 AM

^Hell yea, I have that Popeye Ep on fucking Beta-max.

And here's the Roger Rabbit sound clip, where some believe he called Daffy a ******.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/donald.htm

Sounds convincing, but who knows.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 04:14 AM

That sounds NOTHING like nitwit.

The word "nitwit" requires a break in-between to say it properly, and Donald didn't break for a moment.

Luckychrono777

06-24-2006, 04:20 AM

He said "little"... Might wanna read further down...

Manx

06-24-2006, 04:48 AM

Surprised no one posted this (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b225/Bladesake/thats_racist.gif) yet

Dan?

06-24-2006, 07:08 AM

...but Jazz was, by far, one of the best G1 Transformers.

jignat

06-24-2006, 07:09 AM

I'm going to take it a step further:

Beachcomber (Black? Dude was really laid back) - "A be-bop..be-be-bop".

.
I dont know b or w., but
I think Beachcomber was supposed to be a "60's environmentalist hippie".
Notice his laid back vocal manner.
In one episode(Dinobot Island"), he says, "and if you need help on missions that dont require conflict , Im your guy"
Also, his eco-love is very blatant in "the golden lagoon", where during the battle of the auts/deceps, he mourns the destruction of the wildlife.

maxx

06-24-2006, 07:11 AM

...but Jazz was, by far, one of the best G1 Transformers.

i still have the original toy somewhere in my toy collection..old school transformers toys destroy any piece of shit fall apart the minute you buy it toy they got now.

metal toys destroy all. plus u could knock a muthafucker out with an 80's transformer.

Juggy

06-24-2006, 07:44 AM

VG Emblem isn't serious. I stopped reading after page one, but he does this shit just to get attention.

Million

06-24-2006, 07:59 AM

I thought it was a damn shame that they censored so many of those Tom & Jerry cartoons. I remember in the 90s, they changed the voice of the fat black lady that apparently owned the house. (*I think they just cut her out or cut entire episodes too)Hey, that's actually not that bad when ya think of it...she was the only person in the house...and so the natural assumption was that it was her house, and she wasn't just a maid or something. At least that's something there. Heh, it always cracked me up just to hear her say "THOMAS!!!!" and start smacking him in the head with the broom. That was quality entertainment.

*and yeah...it's just being real. Jazz was SO black.

yeah, Bumblebee was a goofy white guy.
Shockwave was a kinda gay-sounding black guy(kinda Little Richard-ish)
Ironhide was a redneck from Texas....a "Stone Cold Steve Austin" type.
...and Brainy Smurf and Gargamel were jews. Vanity was of course, a homosexual.

jignat

06-24-2006, 08:01 AM

i still have the original toy somewhere in my toy collection..old school transformers toys destroy any piece of shit fall apart the minute you buy it toy they got now.

metal toys destroy all. plus u could knock a muthafucker out with an 80's transformer.

which is why there are so many prowl/jazz with broken roofs, mirages with broken waists,jetfires with brokenn arms.
etc.. ? :rolleyes:

True, die cast adds weight and looks nice sparingly, but the plastics today are far more durable.
Try dropping an y current Tf to a 84-85 autobot car. the results should be strikingly clear.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 08:31 AM

I dont know b or w., but
I think Beachcomber was supposed to be a "60's environmentalist hippie".
Notice his laid back vocal manner.
In one episode(Dinobot Island"), he says, "and if you need help on missions that dont require conflict , Im your guy"
Also, his eco-love is very blatant in "the golden lagoon", where during the battle of the auts/deceps, he mourns the destruction of the wildlife.

Makes sense! He always talked like was having sex. :rofl:

Mark Beast

06-24-2006, 08:36 AM

...she was the only person in the house...and so the natural assumption was that it was her house, and she wasn't just a maid or something. At least that's something there.
that wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that she had mice in her house. =/

in her words:
we'se coluh'd folk caint neva haff nuftin!! iss juss a shame, rilly- THOMMAAAAAAAASS!!! BWAAAOOOY IS YOU CRAZZAY??! whatchoo doooin ova dea near that dea wowalll?

Autocrat1

06-24-2006, 09:01 AM

Also, I realized that most of the popular villians or antagonists in the past have been voiced by brothas:

Star Wars: Darth Vader - James Earl Jones
TMNT: Shredder - James Avery
Dinosaurs: BP Richfield - Sherman Helmsley
MGS2: Vamp - Phil LaMarr

From my perspective, I don't get why the brothas are voicing the villians/opposition when almost 90%+ of everyone else providing voices or acting is majority white?! I personally see past the delivery and vocal differences and read between the lines on that one...

*****MGS1 SPOILER ALERT*****

P.S. I find it suspicious that both of Greg Eagles' a.k.a. George Byrd's characters - The Ninja/Deepthroat and The DARPA Chief - died in such gruesome ways compared to everyone else in the O.G. MGS (for those who played it, The REAL DARPA Chief was in the torture room cell with Snake, covered in maggots and crap). I think he was the lone black V.A. on there if I'm not mistaken...

*****END MGS1 SPOILER*****

Dan?

06-24-2006, 09:11 AM

Snip

That's a really strange approach. White people make the absolute best villains, seriously. You can never completely get rid of white people from a society unless you want a society that has films with bad guys that are very boring and not very much fun to hate.

A society with white bad guys is a society that loooooooove entertainment.

jignat

06-24-2006, 09:12 AM

because (stereotype), a lot of black actors have deep, bass voices and thats what a lot of villains require?
One exception to that is Keith David(black guy) who voiced Goliath in gargoyles and spawn in the animated hbo series.

Black voiced heroes
Jazz
Blaster
Goliath
HongKong phooey
Green lantern
static shock
Winston Zeddemore
Kilowogg (Dennis haysbert/prez palmer from 24)

Autocrat1

06-24-2006, 09:28 AM

If I can continue on from what I'm trying to argue before the library computer boots me off...

The people I listed voiced non-black characters, except for The DARPA Chief...and Darth Vader if you want to be borderline technical roflles

Now, let's say Shredder, a.k.a. Oroku Saki (damn I love that name) was voiced by a Asian-American, preferably of Japanese origin. I understand the original TMNT was made in the mid-80's but Asian-Americans were not THAT rare to cast. It would have fitted Shredder perfectly IMO. Not to say that Uncle Phil wasn't a better alternative, but that fact he was one of the few (in not lone) black V.A. on TMNT as the main villian kinda gives off a bad vibe to me. I fully support affirmative action as a brotha myself, but maybe give him a role that doesn't seem so "Whites vs. Black."

SavioR II Turbo

06-24-2006, 09:58 AM

why are you all supprised and ourtraged about 70 year old cartoons, the material was acceptable back then so what.

what I find racist is when talking about non-race apparent characters that the "cool" and "smooth" character is automatically labeled as black while the uptight or nerd character is white or even jewish. stereotypeing and racism is part of being human, deal with it.

Dan?

06-24-2006, 10:04 AM

what I find racist is when talking about non-race apparent characters that the "cool" and "smooth" character is automatically labeled as black while the uptight or nerd character is white or even jewish.

<Perceptor> You call this energon?

ViciousSLASH

06-24-2006, 11:23 AM

HH and CC for KH3 kthxplz.

OC

They were in KH 2.

In the Steamboat Willie town.

Shade

06-24-2006, 11:47 AM

Also, I realized that most of the popular villians or antagonists in the past have been voiced by brothas:

Star Wars: Darth Vader - James Earl Jones
TMNT: Shredder - James Avery
Dinosaurs: BP Richfield - Sherman Helmsley
MGS2: Vamp - Phil LaMarr

From my perspective, I don't get why the brothas are voicing the villians/opposition when almost 90%+ of everyone else providing voices or acting is majority white?! I personally see past the delivery and vocal differences and read between the lines on that one...

Well thats not a racist thing. All the people you mentioned have unique voices, and really cant be imitated. They are just great voice actors, and any person of any race who could have pulled it off would have got the roles.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 12:14 PM

Also, I realized that most of the popular villians or antagonists in the past have been voiced by brothas:

Star Wars: Darth Vader - James Earl Jones
TMNT: Shredder - James Avery
Dinosaurs: BP Richfield - Sherman Helmsley
MGS2: Vamp - Phil LaMarr

From my perspective, I don't get why the brothas are voicing the villians/opposition when almost 90%+ of everyone else providing voices or acting is majority white?! I personally see past the delivery and vocal differences and read between the lines on that one...

*****MGS1 SPOILER ALERT*****
****END MGS1 SPOILER*****

You're trying too hard and looking for something that isn't there. There are no lines to read between - the voices are VERY distinctive, and able to be used as such to make more memorable villians.

FighterX

06-24-2006, 12:20 PM

why are you all supprised and ourtraged about 70 year old cartoons, the material was acceptable back then so what.

Material was accepted by WHO exactly? I didn't exactly see happiness on my face when I asked my aunt about this when I was a kid. The people that opposed it certainly weren't in a position to do anything about it at the time.

what I find racist is when talking about non-race apparent characters that the "cool" and "smooth" character is automatically labeled as black while the uptight or nerd character is white or even jewish. stereotypeing and racism is part of being human, deal with it.

You know, I've never really seen the "white" too much, honestly, except in rare cases (like I said before, Tracks and Mirage from the Transformers).

I'm black myself, and based on my own experiences, I just associated the "laid back cool characters" as "black". Of course, having black voice actors helped to influence my decision. Jazz (Scatman Corothers) and Blaster (Buster Jones) are prime examples.

Rhio2k

06-24-2006, 12:33 PM

<Perceptor> You call this energon?

I don't mean to be a shlamazel, but...is this oil kosher? :rofl:

Ki Shima

06-24-2006, 02:45 PM

complaining about white people being nerdy? who gives a fuck when 90% of the characters are fucking white anyway.

all this sitting and crying with no drive to change anything. this is why i hate people. they look at things and think their an expert, and white people sit in the corner twiddling their thumbs waiting for the next pay check

black ppl: do something positive, CONSTANTLY!

white ppl: stop being a bunch of nerds :rofl:

Higher-Jin

06-24-2006, 03:12 PM

I think you're reading too much into it, like that whole smurfs = communist thing.

Can there be no more black anthromorphic characters anymore because they'll be considered stereotypes? Is Tweety a racial stereotype of asians? He's yellow and, "He don kno me vewy well do he?," might be construed as a attack on the english challenged asian speaking patterns couldn't it?

No dude, this is cartoon racism:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6426/band8nk.jpg

Trust me back in the days around the time goofy was made if they wanted to make a racist cartoon they pretty much went out and did it. None of that supposed "subliminal" or "read between the lines" bullshit, they pretty much called you a spic, a heb, a jew or dropped a N bomb on your ass and you pretty much had no choice but to take it.

There are many black dogs in real life, and there's always been goofy characters of multiple races. One thing that pops into my head is Lenny and George from "Of Mice and Men", didn't warner brothers make black cartoon cats based on these characters although the original characters in the book are white?

Dasrik

06-24-2006, 03:44 PM

Trust me back in the days around the time goofy was made if they wanted to make a racist cartoon they pretty much went out and did it. None of that supposed "subliminal" or "read between the lines" bullshit, they pretty much called you a spic, a heb, a jew or dropped a N bomb on your ass and you pretty much had no choice but to take it.
I can't believe nobody's brought this up yet.

Also, just a note, but the picture you posted of Donald Duck is actually from an ANTI-Nazi cartoon. The whole thing is Donald's nightmare.

Higher-Jin

06-24-2006, 04:49 PM

I can't believe nobody's brought this up yet.

Also, just a note, but the picture you posted of Donald Duck is actually from an ANTI-Nazi cartoon. The whole thing is Donald's nightmare.

Even if that's so, weren't there alot of black cartoon and comic characters that were drawn extremely offensively? I can't remember the names right now but one has huge peach colored lips, is very reminiscent of "black face" and is very popular in some foreign country (SRK had a thread about it a while back with most people supporting the character with exaggerated "black" features.)

Mark Beast

06-24-2006, 05:15 PM

yeah, memin.
anyway, even comic books drawn by marvel had racist stereotypes drawn in them, especially during the ww2 era.
http://www.cronica.com.mx/nimagenes/7/memin.jpg
http://www.topdog08.com/racist.jpg

and i don't give a fuck what country you're from, that shit is racist. it doesn't have anything to do with black americans, there are black ppl all over the caribbean in both spanish and non spanish speaking countries. that shit is racist period.

Wolfkiller

06-24-2006, 05:59 PM

HH and CC for KH3 kthxplz.

OC

Weren't those the two hanging out in Timeless River?

EDIT: Oops, ViciousSLASH beat me to it. Nevermind!

Kyoujin

06-24-2006, 06:13 PM

see obviously this thread is not for you. i gave you the biggest hint in the fucking world with those crows..and went right over ur head. u jumped into this thread not getting it.

google jim crow laws please before you further show your ignorance. also i recommend u take an african american history course in high school.

As an observer of this arguement, I would like to point out that crows have been used numerous times to portray african americans; take, for example, Fritz the Cat: Crows were used to portray the black community.

maxx

06-24-2006, 06:14 PM

As an observer of this arguement, I would like to point out that crows have been used numerous times to portray african americans; take, for example, Fritz the Cat: Crows were used to portray the black community.

crows=jim crow laws

i was merly using them to see where vg's mind stands..like at what level does he truly understand this thread. but he is far too innocent and young and didn't understand what the reference was..specifically those pictures. some crows may no represent blacks or jim crows..but the picture i used was specifically about jim crow laws and racism. he didnt understand it and took it for face value and thats ok. he's a kid and young.

Dasrik

06-24-2006, 09:13 PM

http://www.topdog08.com/racist.jpg
Why does that poor man have three nostrils?

maxx

06-24-2006, 09:31 PM

Why does that poor man have three nostrils?

their not 3 nostrils...the middle is the tip of the nose..thats how they drew them back then.

Silentness!

06-24-2006, 09:46 PM

You can't even get mad at the Betty Boop clip... it was so racist that you have to laugh at the ignorance.

WATERMELON!!!... YAY *spits seeds out* :rofl:

Hunter D

06-24-2006, 10:20 PM

3-4:00=da truth!!!:lol: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxHfwhckcs)
That is not cool at all. Even the way that the kid cries is racist.

Shade

06-24-2006, 10:34 PM

"HideeHo, HideeHi". Wtf man. XD

Agmaster

06-24-2006, 10:56 PM

Goofy is a dog. His girlfriend was a horse.

Cartoons were also very racist, they still are today.

Look at all the shows produced in Japan with nary a black person.

Cartoons are racist, because everyone is racist, and that sadly will never change.

Also, Doug is the most racist show ever. Everyone was a different non racial color except for Doug, who was white. WHY DOES THE MAIN CHARACTER HAVE TO BE OBVIOUSLY WHITE ?!?!?!

Yet another reason the anime Black Lagoon is so good. I vote everyone watch it. Seriously. It has such racial unity.

06-24-2006, 11:49 PM

Here's hoping we get to fight Hitler in KH3, eh? After all, it's a Disney cartoon. Hitler as a Heartless. Interesting. Or have him as the head of Organization XIII.

Mr_Punkus

06-25-2006, 04:14 AM

Anyway, Panthro was black, and he was the coolest Thundercat, so it's all good.
QFT. Although he had too much of the jungle in him to be leader. Tigra > Lion-O. Actually Panthro = Mr T as they were both the powerhouses and mechanics of their teams. Holy shit, it's a conspiracy!

archetype

06-25-2006, 05:01 AM

omfg lmao Slowpoke Rodriguez ahahah

Jaldaboath

06-25-2006, 09:29 AM

I had a book called "How to read Donald Duck (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FD9GWU/qid=1151251904/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-9726019-6738563?s=books&v=glance&n=283155)" which treated the whole Disney racism subjecrt pretty well, from Pete the Black (Why's the evil character even called like that?), but unfortunately I can't seem to find it.

On Slowpoke Rodriguez: I, as a mexican can't really get mad at that shit, first, it was hilarious; second Speedy was also mexican; and third he was actually too real.

Besides, as a culture we mexicans tend to make fun of ourselves a lot and Slowpoke does just that, unlike other shit in where we're portrayed as guntouting charros. Although that's our fault actually, we exported that image during the golden age of mexican movies, so I don't think we can really get mad.

Anyway Slowpoke rocks.

The transformers have a lot of cultural burrowing, as has WoW, but I don't really find that racist or offensive it's just a way to help people connect to the characters, by giving them a subconcious background in the races/cultural groups they represent. WoW for example:

Orcs: Blacks (UNP FTW)
Trolls: Jamaicans (Out of mana mon!)
Undead: Whites (British accented goths secretly trying to conquer world)
Tauren: Native American (also the only non-evil race)
Humans: Caucasians/Europeans
Gnomes: Russians (I think they even chernovilled their homecity)
Dwarves: Nordics/Vikings (Too Obvious)
NElves: I'm lost here... Blacks again? Am I wrong about orcs?

Oh... and Pallys=Nazis/Inquisitors

Autocrat1

06-25-2006, 02:18 PM

You're trying too hard and looking for something that isn't there. There are no lines to read between - the voices are VERY distinctive, and able to be used as such to make more memorable villians.
Sorry for reading in between the nonexistant lines, but I was just emphasizing on the "villians" part, that's all. I understand villians should be as memorable in every aspect as possible - voice, intimidation, appearance, etc. - but ah I don't know.

I mean, how do you feel when white VA's voice black characters (cartoons or otherwise) if their voice isn't as sophisticated as a black person's, i.e. Soul Calibur's Zasalamel?