I can not believe how good Kaillera is compared to a few years ago

[Hitman]

Seriously, I played it a few years ago and never got into it, so laggy and crappy. Went on XBox Live and played CVS2EO for a while and quit. Last week I tried Kaillera again and I could not believe how smooth it is. <50ms ping for both players and it truely feels like offline play. It feels BETTER than CVS2EO.

I almost fell off my chair when people created games for Real Bout 2, Breaker's Revenge and other obscure games. I played someone in Break's Revenge today and I was comboing into supers on a keyboard (serious wrist pain after that). Just get a $10 converter and you can convert whatever PS2/Xbox stick you have into USB (which I am getting).

If you tried Kaillera a few years back MAKE SURE you give it another shot, you won't be disappointed. As long as people have <50ms ping and are on clean independent connections (aka not sharing with someone who is Bit Torrent 24/7), the games are so smooth.

Seriously I can't believe Kaillera is the least popular online forum when it really should be THE number one platform for online fighters. And it is all free!

[Sonic_Reaper]

*coughpiracycough*

That would really be the only reason why it's not as wide spread. And if were to get to a certain height, I would assume someone would eventually try to crack down on it. Once piracy gets to a certain point, companies will inevtiably try to put a stop to it some way or another.

Personally I'm glad the scene is as small/large as it is. We don't need it to be an overblown behemoth.

[r3ko]

This guy speaks the truth, no where else can you play nearly any fighting game made during the 90s online.

[bill_rizer]

wasnt microsoft planning on buying Kaillera or MAME something like that, enjoy it while it lasts, I say.

[cygnus]

Yeah Kaillera has come a long way, but you're right about the piracy aspect holding it back. It could be so much more.

If you like SNK games and want to deal with the arduous task of signing up, you can get an account at www.poporu.com. It's a emu/client for playing SNK games online, and is officially backed by SNK Playmore. The connection against other people in the US (I'm talking cross-country) is better than a Kaillera connection vs someone in your own state, because it's p2p instead of server-based like Kaillera.

[Hitman]

Is there an English version of the site?

How many US players are on this compared to Kaillera?

[cygnus]

There is no English version, but I wish there were. I got an account to play ss4, there are some US players, but probably no more than 10 or so, but they are all dedicated. For other games, I doubt there are any at all, or very, very few. Then again, depending on your location, it's possible to have playable games with Koreans.

[arstal]

One of you make a faq on how to sign up perhaps?

Might help some of us out- I don't understand Korean.

[fireballtrap]

I think making an FAQ to help others sign up is a great idea. I'd love to play some KoF 2002 without the lag that the Xbox version has.

[Hitman]

Just do Kaillera I guess. It is incredible. The average skill there is so much higher than XBL IMO, especially for truely old school games.

[Lord BBH]

wasnt microsoft planning on buying Kaillera or MAME something like that, enjoy it while it lasts, I say.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NeoChaosX]

Kaillera hasn't been updated in three years. Nothing changed except people just got faster connections, so lag isn't much of a problem anymore.

[fatherbrain]

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=215

[HellSap]

Indeed, nothing has changed in the past few years, kaillera servers became overbloated and most of them went belly up, now theyre back with slightly less pollution around them and less retards on shitty connections.
Its just luck of the draw, just like it was a few years ago. Way back in the day, there was enough servers dispersed around the country as to not have shitty connections matter, you didnt need the 1 or 2 WC/EC servers that a hundred people pour onto, but enough here and there, even in your own state, to find a good game with people.
Still, its practically the only place to play some of the games you want to, so deal with the lag and stop whining.

[cygnus]

I think making an FAQ to help others sign up is a great idea. I'd love to play some KoF 2002 without the lag that the Xbox version has.
Well, firstly they don't have 2k2, I dunno why. These are the games that are supported so far.

Baseball Stars 2
Garou
Joyjoy Kid (Tetris clone)
King of Fighters 98, 99, 2000, 2003
Last Blade 2
League Bowling
Metal Slug 1, 2, X, 3, 4
Neogeo Cup '98
Samurai Shodown 4
Twinkle Star Sprites

Secondly, you need a Korean ID number to sign up. Which means if you aren't Korean, you have to aquire one somehow, and that's not something that is allowed to be discussed on this forum.

I made a thread about Poporu on guardcrush if you're really interested (yes you have to register to view it).

http://www.guardcrush.net/forums/showthread.php?t=568

[_MJ_#R]

they gota do somethin about the macro usage..

[Sonic_Reaper]

they gota do somethin about the macro usage..

I thought it was only limited to multiple button presses and not strings of commands? Basically like EVO. Hell, some people that play on keyboard and some shitty second rate pads would be finished without PPP or KKK or whatever.

And I don't think LP+LK/PPP/MK+MP and so on are considered macros. Macros would be like qcf+p all to one button. Now that's totally cheating.

[r3ko]

its not so much as macros are a problem, but autofire. I know your all thinking that theres an autofire detector now, but that only picks up the built in Mame Autofire, not pad/stick/etc autofire.

[rukawa_kaede]

Fuck, in what hole Am I living:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: , I didn't know about this, I've been dying for some online play for years(refusing to buy the xbox though)hell, I need to check this right away.

[Jushiness]

i have a good connection and a pretty fast pc.. i can play command and conquer generals and FFXI and halo pc with no lag. and ggx reload/mugen/mame offline dont lag either. but mame online lags like a bitch >.< any advice?

some info about my pc that might help you help me.

System

Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+, MMX, 3dNow, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 512 RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c

Display

NVIDIA GeForce 6100
memory 128 MB

connection is cable.. usualy have around a 50ish ping on kaillera

[Overworld]

What version of Mame are you running? If not .64 try moving to .64, as it's what most people use.

Close any programs that hog bandwidth (bittorrent, emule, etc) and don't run the game at full screen. That may improve your lag.

[Debokin]

I played someone in Break's Revenge today and I was comboing into supers on a keyboard (serious wrist pain after that).


If you were playing on Godweapon you were probably playing me. ggs

[stabo10]

The problem with kailerra is that if it gets too popular cheating will become a problem.

It is way too easy to abuse most game's input buffering and comboing mechanics to set up auto input programs that will do crazy things like hit verify jabs into supers automattically for you.

[Kyokuji]

It is way too easy to abuse most game's input buffering and comboing mechanics to set up auto input programs that will do crazy things like hit verify jabs into supers automattically for you

Most people aren't smart enough to do that.
Honestly, the only real problem is autofire, and it's not nearly as bad as before with the autofire detector implemented. I've never met anyone who used full combo macros, and 90% of the people using autofire suck so badly that you'll rip them apart anyway.
Most of the people worried about macros seem to be either those who have never played on kaillera, or haven't done so for years. It just hasn't been a problem.

I think the biggest difference is the lag. When I first got on like 5 years ago, almost every game I played was unbearable laggy, but these days as long as your ping is under 80-ish ms, things are perfectly playable (depending on the game), especially if you're playing on excellent with someone you know. Hell, from what I've heard, kaillera lags less than live did for 3S and other games.
It'll still be there to spite you since we all know it only takes a millisecond of lag to mess up a one frame link or something, but that's just the thing. These days, it's little crap like that that messes you up, instead of long ass lag spikes.
Note though, that if you're on wireless, forget about it. Your connection will be dropping packets the whole way through, and it'll skip a ton.

I find it amusing that so few people know about it. If you go to 4chan or somewhere, and mention kaillera, you'll get a flurry of posts wondering what the hell it is.

Part of the problem is that the kaillera project itself was abandoned years ago, and the only emulator link left on the official site is the rushed/buggy MAME32k 0.67 which most of the population abandoned for the older 0.64 that is difficult to find unless you're already part of the kaillera community. So even when new people come on sometimes, they're confused because everyone's using 0.64. Even then, a couple things prevent them from getting started:

A)The kaillera community isn't exactly very helpful
B)A lot of these new people are dumb as rocks
C)Even when people try to help sometimes, people seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of downgrading for increased performance, and will sometimes even become defensive of their chosen emulator for whatever reason.

Others try to use Kawaks without realizing that it has keyboard input recognition problems and desync issues with neo geo games, causing that emulator to be abandoned in favour of 0.64.
Finalburn didn't have any huge problems, but the fact that it's an old emulator, and the fact that it only plays CPS1/2 games caused most people to do the same.

The majority of the population is made up of scrubs, but almost every game has at least 5 notable players. Some of whom would do well at professional tourneys if given the chance.
All I'll say is that kaillera is a godsend for people who don't have arcades or good competition near them anymore.

Lag or not, it gives you the one thing you need most to succeed, and that's practice against other people.

[NoX-Regulator]

Great post there Kyokuji =D

[Goldsplinter]

I've seen Kyokuji a lot on Godweapon server.

And today I went into some UK server, I had 107 ping or around there, the host had 15 ping (it's always good for the host to have a very low ping), emulator: Kawaks 1.55....... and it was sooooo smooth! there was no lag during the game, and it only got a bit laggy at the end, but that was like during the new round intro screen or when the fight was starting.

So this UK guy, first match, He used Claw... I won with V-ryu, though it was pretty tough. And that was the first and last match I won lol. He wooped me 20 matches (or more maybe) with Bison. And I thought my friend was good with bison. I couldn't stop the guy, he knew Bison very well, and I tried many different characters.

And yeah theres a lot of good players on Kaillera.

5-10%= Total Scrubs
15-20%=Newbie
30-40%=Good- towards the lower spectrum of skill. Knows the game a bit
30-40%=Good- towards the higher spectrum of skill. Knows a character or more pretty well
15-20%=Advanced Player- Is awesome with a certain Character(s), wins about 80% of people in a certain game.
5-10%=Elite. Very rare of these guys losing a match.

[T-Kimura]

kaillera online play for fighting games > any other online play.

hell, because of the godweapon server kaillera is good to play on again.

[Jushiness]

i'm really pissed that my computer lags with kaillera... only frikkin thing that lags....

[renvi]

trying to play SFA3 with WinKawaks, but most people uses Mame32K, I tried it and it sucks.
I wish Kaillera supports different emulators.

[Kyokuji]

MAME should look, sound, and run just as well as Kawaks provided you have a decent computer. Check the "Beginner's guide to MAME" topic in the online section of the forum for some good settings to use.

I myself use:
1024x768 windowed
2x Zoom
Horizontal Scanlines 75%
Stretch x2/3 Gives me a window that fills up the entire screen).
All sound settings on and at 44, 100 KHZ

hell, because of the godweapon server kaillera is good to play on again.

Yeah, that's part of it. Good, relatively lag free servers like GodWeapon and Anti3D have definitely made it easier to play. Before, there were like dozens of servers and they were always going up and down. Easier to establish a community when there's a smaller group of stable ones.

[rukawa_kaede]

I'll check those settings Kyokuji, still, I can't play kof perfectly,

but garou is another thing, I can't believe how smooth the game plays. Those guys are beating the crap out of me to death in this game, but I'm so happy about that. That I have finally found some real good competition with snk games.

[jae hoon]

I will probably get back on mame pretty soon, be back in godweapon looking for some matches.

[0746]

Kaillera has been like it is for last 4 years. You should be thanking better computers, emulators and internet connections. They made it possible.

[Serpent]

Are you people on crack? It was way better about 5-6 years ago. Back in the days of snausage fingerz, fugu, and a few other old school servers. The older mames also gave much better input/control. About 3 years ago when the hacks started coming in and people would just close games and servers is when it really went to shit, and I guess about a year ago it became atleast better than that, but still, not nearly as good as 5 years ago.

[ShinMagus]

Don't forget to be thankful to Emulinker. http://www.emulinker.org

Emulinker's been the only Kaillera server development of note for years, other than hacks made to the original binaries using reverse engineering. Oh, and I shouldn't forget to mention it's open-source and written in Java. :P

PS: this isn't considered spam here, right? I'm a little skeptical about posting URLs on forums I'm not very used to visiting.

[0746]

Yeah...glad we had people like Moosehead. Despite Emulinker's differences, it gave people HOPE hope at evil times. It is solely responsible for ending evil reign on kaillera's distorted domain. Well, those script kiddies and those other people who thaught kaillera was not good enough deserves some respect too. They motivated the unofficial developments and forced some people to really get into kaillera.

[qwazy]

SNIP

What kinda' specs does your computer sport?

[Kyokuji]

Oh please, I'm not going to get into another emulator war with you.
As long as your computer has a processor at the P4 level, you'll be fine with MAME.

[NoAffinity]

I think the primary difference, first and foremost, is yes, internet connections are getting faster. Where I had the highest-level package that my ISP offered 6 months ago, with 5Mbps down/1 Mbps up, they are now offering up to 10/5. So, new customers getting package deals are getting teh 5/1 connection standard now (whereas I was paying out the arse for it up until recently). This holds true for pretty much the entire internet (at least for cable service). Also, people are getting educated towards the fact that they can't run BT, AIM and stream music while playing kaillera and still expect a good connection. Even with my 90+ connection on GW, if the other person has a good connection as well, as long as they are sub-100, the game will be good. At the same time, if someone else in my house is so much as checking e-mail while I'm playing, there will be noticeable lag (not necessarily consistent, if all they're doing is checking e-mail, but intermittent at the least). Bottom line: for the average end user (a.k.a. "player"), it's all about the connection speed and available bandwidth, not necessarily ping. ;)

[Plutoburn]

Yes, faster connection makes a big difference. My old cable connection, I have to devote every bandwidth to kaillera, if I do anything else, stutter occurs in the game, now with 10mbs, I can listen to online radio and download things at speed below 100k/s without suffering any performance. Better computer also means more people using mame, so the uniformity of emulators means easier match making. I remember back in the snausage fugu days, I had mame, kawak, fba, and nebula so that I can join people's games, now I just have mame.

[qwazy]

Oh please, I'm not going to get into another emulator war with you.
As long as your computer has a processor at the P4 level, you'll be fine with MAME.

Just a simple question. People keep telling me Mame should run fine on my computer. I tell 'em my spec's and they say it should be fine, but it's not.

[Ryu1999]

I think the primary difference, first and foremost, is yes, internet connections are getting faster. Where I had the highest-level package that my ISP offered 6 months ago, with 5Mbps down/1 Mbps up, they are now offering up to 10/5. So, new customers getting package deals are getting teh 5/1 connection standard now (whereas I was paying out the arse for it up until recently). This holds true for pretty much the entire internet (at least for cable service). Also, people are getting educated towards the fact that they can't run BT, AIM and stream music while playing kaillera and still expect a good connection. Even with my 90+ connection on GW, if the other person has a good connection as well, as long as they are sub-100, the game will be good. At the same time, if someone else in my house is so much as checking e-mail while I'm playing, there will be noticeable lag (not necessarily consistent, if all they're doing is checking e-mail, but intermittent at the least). Bottom line: for the average end user (a.k.a. "player"), it's all about the connection speed and available bandwidth, not necessarily ping. ;)

I gotta disagree. It's laggy as balls when I play you. Sorry ;_;

[Overworld]

Well it probably helps most of the people I play are on the east coast/canada. Though I've probably played people from the midwest/west, most people that I've played that I know where they are from are on the east.

[NoAffinity]

I gotta disagree. It's laggy as balls when I play you. Sorry ;_;

That's a rather broad statement, without providing any details. :confused:

It's laggy as balls when I play too...sometimes...and taking certain factors into account, is not unexpected...

[Ryu1999]

That's a rather broad statement, without providing any details. :confused:

It's laggy as balls when I play too...sometimes...and taking certain factors into account, is not unexpected...

Every time I play you, the framerate is terrible and there's lots of delay, which is pretty rare for ST because I've played people with higher ping than you and have a much smoother experience. Don't know how else to explain it :sad:

[NoAffinity]

Ah, that was directed specifically towards me.... Yes, we do always seem to have bad connections....and desync is almost always guaranteed within 5-10 games. Don't know either...as I play ppl with 80-90 ping and have great games, then can go against someone with 40-50 and have horrible laggage...maybe it's part luck of the draw? :wonder:

[Emil]

5-10%= Total Scrubs
15-20%=Newbie
30-40%=Good- towards the lower spectrum of skill. Knows the game a bit
30-40%=Good- towards the higher spectrum of skill. Knows a character or more pretty well
15-20%=Advanced Player- Is awesome with a certain Character(s), wins about 80% of people in a certain game.
5-10%=Elite. Very rare of these guys losing a match.

Highly disagree. It seems to more like the following (in the US servers atleast):

50% = Total Scrubs (this includes button mashers, and people who play for years without improvement)
30% = Newbies (lack knowledge of the game, but making some attempt to learn)
10% = Good (knows the game system, knows a variety of characters decently)
9% = Advanced Players
1% = Elite (hardcore arcade players that just own hard, almost never lose)

[0746]

I've seen Kyokuji a lot on Godweapon server.

And today I went into some UK server, I had 107 ping or around there, the host had 15 ping (it's always good for the host to have a very low ping), emulator: Kawaks 1.55....... and it was sooooo smooth! there was no lag during the game, and it only got a bit laggy at the end, but that was like during the new round intro screen or when the fight was starting.

So this UK guy, first match, He used Claw... I won with V-ryu, though it was pretty tough. And that was the first and last match I won lol. He wooped me 20 matches (or more maybe) with Bison. And I thought my friend was good with bison. I couldn't stop the guy, he knew Bison very well, and I tried many different characters.

And yeah theres a lot of good players on Kaillera.

5-10%= Total Scrubs
15-20%=Newbie
30-40%=Good- towards the lower spectrum of skill. Knows the game a bit
30-40%=Good- towards the higher spectrum of skill. Knows a character or more pretty well
15-20%=Advanced Player- Is awesome with a certain Character(s), wins about 80% of people in a certain game.
5-10%=Elite. Very rare of these guys losing a match.
Kaillera is server<->client architecture ^^ so the ping of host is irrelevent.


And Emil, those figures does not look realistic. 80% newbs? lol You left some people out. Sould be more like:

5%: assholes<-these are people we hear about in threads like "gay kaillera logs" and "ownage"
20%: scrubs
20%: happy<-these are people who plays pacman and mario kert and...you get the point
40%: newbies & learning
15%: people who knows whats going on