An Important Message about the Fighting Games Community

[DarksydePhil]

Evolution is now finally over, and the aftermath is starting to die out.

Traditionally, this would mark the "end" of the 2006 tournament season of Street Fighter, and there would be a huge lull in competitive SF play until the first few months of 2007, traditionally started with SBO quals and then either Final Round or Texas Showdown.

However, I feel strongly that this year poses a major exception to the rule.

This past year, we saw the true potential that the Street Fighter (and fighting games in general) community has yet to unlock. We saw events that used to be small regionals grow huge and move into large venues....evolution of existing fighting game majors into smoothly-run, streamlined events....more locally held tournaments and events than EVER before....and finally, the culmination of all of this into the most high-sponsored and media-covered fighting game event in history, Evolution 2006.

What is my point?

The community is now, finally, at a major turning point.

We are on the verge of breaking into the mainstream like never before. MTV, GGL, Gametrailers, video game websites, Ziff Davis media, and numerous other outlets are EXTREMELY interested in the fighting game community thanks to the efforts of many selfless individuals. Now, more than ever, we have a chance to prove the the nation, and the world that our "little side hobby" is something worthy of massive sponsorship and promotion. We are on the verge of hitting the big time, we just don't know it yet.

So why am I making this speech?

I've found that in the few weeks post-Evolution, a lot of people have been de-motivated. Understandably, after the "nationals" of our beloved fighting games have finished, a lot of us want to take a break, and get back to our real-life activities.

But at the same time, I feel this is a rallying point for all of us who feel strongly about the games we play in our free time, and the future of the community.

My point is, we should NOT let the next 6 months be a major lull in the fighting game scene.

Instead, we should do everything in our human power to GET PEOPLE MOTIVATED and get things going. If you have a local scene, inspire these people to play. It doesn't matter if you have a local arcade to throw a get-together or a tournament....or if you're forced to get 5 of your gamer friends into your grandmom's basement to play on a Saturday night.

If you already have a local scene, GREAT. Get those gamers together for NEW mini-regionals, have Ranbats and ranking battles, do silly gimmick get togethers for prizes.

DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP THE FIGHTING SPIRIT IN YOUR COMMUNITY ALIVE!

At Evo 2k6, just before the ultra-hyped Duc-Sanford match, Chris Li made a statement onstage: "It's not about the hate, it's about the hype." This is 100% the correct attitude to have. I may be called the King of Hate, but over the years what I've really tried to do is inspire hype in the community, whether it be through controversy or organizing events, or playing the games we all love so much.

RIGHT NOW, your community is waiting to be hyped up. We are at a crossroads where we have the capability to take the power into our own hands and finally take the fighting game scene into the mainstream media, and blow it up into monstrous proportions. Sitting around for the next 6 months saying you need to "take a break" or "nothing is going on" is not going to fulfill that requirement of hype that the community needs at this time.

In October, SRK staff will be teaming up with GGL to run two fighting game tournaments at the Digital Life Expo in New York City. Right now it is looking like the games will either be Tekken 5, MvC2, or 3s. REGARDLESS of what games are selected, if you are a true fighting game enthusiast, MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO BE THERE. It's not about the prizes or the quality of the tournament right now. What it's really about is convincing sponsors that our community is WORTHY of throwing their money at. By having a tiny turnout at a major event like this, the first time that fighting games have EVER made it to a featured tournament event, we are going to be counterproductive to our cause.

In conclusion, do not let the "end of the 2006 tournament season" turn you off to the fighting game scene as it has in previous years. If anything, the results of the past year should inspire us and motivate us to take these few months and do everything that is within our power to keep things going. You don't have to be a top player to do so, all you have to do is motivate those that have that interest to keep playing and get HYPED. If we can truly do this, and we can prove to groups like GGL and sponsors like Toyota that we are worth their attention, then the possibilities are limitless.


I look forward to seeing you all during events this year, and hopefully next EVO, when we will have LIVE coverage by ESPN2!

[Dark Geese]

Excellent post DSP.

[BornAgainCommunist]

You can afford to be excited, you are a really good player, DSP.

i say that half kidding.

We are not hitting the big time.
Speaking as an artist who regularly wakes up with cold sweats becuase of his own grand visions of the impossible to comprehend fighting games of the future, who has already set the long term goal of using/making fighting games as a medium to supersede and reject the goddam coming golden age of man.... fah fah into the future.... i can tell you honestly that I will skullfuck and suck the success and potential fighting game community, by keeping my mouth shut and doing nothing.

wa wa wait!! did you say ESPN 2?
nevermind....

im down for whatever yo!!!

[LiSyaoran]

I run most of the tournaments here in Oklahoma (Oklahoma people!), and we got some good players that I would like to see get somewhere.
Being married and having a good job kind of turns my desire to get involved even more off though. My life is my soon to be family and my work.
But if I find time to get myself involved even more then I already am, I will.
Good post though DSP. Its good to see people that can do it and will.

[PimpC]

son, if shit somehow got popping on espn2...i'd be there...good post too, something that actually holds my attention at work...

[Dan?]

Great post DSP, and PimpC, your av is sliiiiiiick. Duck King > all.

[DevilJin 01]

This Digital Life thing sounds interesting. I'ma ask X30 about it again so I can prepare for it if I do end up going. They better have 3S.

[Kyokuji]

Chances are, it'll be Tekken 5.
A lot of people just don't see 2D as being marketable anymore.

[LiSyaoran]

would love to see 3s on there. Garou would be even better :lol:

but your right. 3D owns 2D when it comes to the general public. If thats the case then I should support Rival Schools Project Justice!!!

[Shodokan123]

"when we will have LIVE coverage by ESPN2!"

wtf? did i miss somthing?

BTW, good post.

[Rengoku]

that's why i want to go live in japan or america

italy sucks at fighting scene :(

5 players for 3s
3 for XI

randoms that don't know how to play decently in learning the deep of a game


my skills in vs won't raise over a certain point
very sad

[Lesterrr]

DSP speaks the truth

[Honest Monk]

Holy Crap! L33t post. We do a casual in some guy's basement and it would be cool to start a RanBat, but motivating the retirees is hard enough. This could do the trick. ESPN 2? You americans! I'd better see some serious Garou-on-demand action or I'm coming after Wiz! l

[DS]

Interesting post from the King Of Hate™. Too bad the scene at CF is slowly dying. I would definitely like to see a resurgence to the days CF old. Even though NYC has Web2Zone for Friday night console gaming, its not that bad. But, not everybody has the time to attend either. Work and shit kills us.

Although this Digital Life tourney sounds intriguing, its gonna nothing more than T5. If a 2D fighter makes then sure, I'll go. When is Digital Life anyway?

[ShinVegeta_Py]

DSP Great thread!........=)

[spudlyff8fan]

If your goal in having people see the fighting game played at high levels and go "whoa so cool!!!!" shouldn't you avoid 3S? I mean, it's a great game. But people will see it and be like "wow...this is slow..." and change the channel or they'll say "man...only those three?" and then change the channel (let's not start that argument...even though I'm opposed to tweaking the game, cmon...people will want to see more than those three).

The game, if it's gonna be on TV, should be something flashy, fast and with a wide variety of characters. Your average TV viewer doesn't wanna see a MvC2 match end after 10 minutes of chip damage. Your average TV watcher would see Daigo parrying a Chun Li super and be like "...?". Your average TV viewer would just change the channel after catching a glimpse SF2's outdated looks. Your average TV viewer would see CvS2's inconsistent palette and get bored after they see their fourth Blanka/Sagat/Vega team poke somebody to death.

So yeah, the best games would be either Garou (if scrubs saw Kevin doing his explosive juggles and a good Rock rushdown, they'd think it was nasty stuff), Tekken 5, VF4/5, SC3:AE (if it hits consoles) or DOA4 (all those due to sheer flashiness). Not that other games are BAD GAMES. But that your common scrub doesn't appreciate a fine pressure string and traditional looks.

[LiSyaoran]

So yeah, the best games would be either Garou (if scrubs saw Kevin doing his explosive juggles and a good Rock rushdown, they'd think it was nasty stuff).
Thats what Im saying. Garou owns. Its definitly a high paced 2D fighter. This vid here is real good by the way.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=468208454537629220&q=Garou

[Skyler]

ISo yeah, the best games would be either Garou (if scrubs saw Kevin doing his explosive juggles and a good Rock rushdown, they'd think it was nasty stuff), Tekken 5, VF4/5, SC3:AE (if it hits consoles) or DOA4 (all those due to sheer flashiness). Not that other games are BAD GAMES. But that your common scrub doesn't appreciate a fine pressure string and traditional looks.

Dont give me that bull crap that Garou would look flashier to the viewers eye than 3rdstrike will ever be. For you to understand whats going on in a fighting game, you have to play the game and get use to their engine first. No way in hell would any noobie viewers understand fighting games just by simply watching it on TV. When you play the game and compare your playing style to the better players out there, you will notice the difference between you and them. If you watch the game without ever even setting one finger on a button, then you wouldnt even come close to understanding whats going on. Its like watching a japanse movie with subtitle or english language, would you know what the heck their talking about if you dont even know japanese in the first place? its not about how flashy a game is or how fast the gameplay moves, but rather if you can understand it and know whats going on that counts. I guess you yourself dont even understand fighting games yet, so go back to your daily trainning cause you gonna need it.


For fighting games to break into the main stream today, the scene would have to be as big as Counter-strike or atleast come close enough to it. I dont see fighting games going anywhere since the GOLDEN AGE of fighting games die down after the 90's. the 90's would've been the best time for fighting games to make it to ESPN because of the hype surrounding it and the MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR competition around it compare to today. The prizes today are to small too when you compare fighting game prizes to other video game prizes out there. You also try to get new people into fighting games, but the results alway turn out bad. Arcades are dead, competition are too far away and the player base is too small.

For me, I dont ever see fighting games reaching that golden age anymore, but their is still some hope, it might only be 1%, but hey, thats better than nothing right?:wonder:

[spudlyff8fan]

The point flew well over your head.

[asicx]

Hey! That Garou game looks cool! Never heard/played anything past Fatal Fury SNES. Aw man, but I researched it and it's only available through import and I also don't have a Dreamcast.

[Jushiness]

Hey! That Garou game looks cool! Never heard/played anything past Fatal Fury SNES. Aw man, but I researched it and it's only available through import and I also don't have a Dreamcast.

I sent you a PM..

Now if fighting games finally hit some serious mainstream i agree that 3d games would probably be the only ones... so in this case i will be supporting Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur and KoF MI2 [and any other 3d versions of 2d games that come out, assuming they are actualy good.]

Venessa FTW

[RushedDown]

digital life is haveing both mvc2 and 3rd strike

http://www.ziffdavis.com/press/releases/060808.0.html

see you all there

[goodm0urning]

About once a week, usually every Friday evening, I go to the local arcade and see a few regulars in there on CVS2. It's almost always the same guys, and they're roughly the same skill level as me. This is mid-MI, and there's basically no scene here, but these guys still show up and play the game anyway. It's cool to see that kind of dogged dedication, and it's also nice to have some decent competition.

Just thought I'd share that. Sometimes, it only takes a handful of people and a handful of quarters each to keep the game going.

[Preppy]

I'll contribute however I can. :sad:

[GalzPanic]

Yeah, usually I take like 3 months off even playing fighting games, but I think we gotta keep it all going.

A big concern or just consideration for me is the sponsored pro gamer events vs open tournaments. I haven't thought much about it, but there maybe issues in the future...

[platinum_pinoy]

If anything, its the Canons we should praise for getting great sponsors (Toyota) and coverage (1up.com). They have the strongest will to keep this community together, whether its Tekken, Street Fighter, or Guilty Gear.

[Windlord0]

I've had more people look into fighting games as a serious competition (mostly former fps players) due to Guilty Gear than anything else. I know it's not the big thing here, but everything about it looks flashy and anime-esque. I, at least, also think it's a great game.

great post DSP, really got me thinking about something bigger (even though I'm no real part of it)

[spudlyff8fan]

Don't worry, Windlord. Everyone here either thinks it's a great game or they're so stupid their opinion was invalid before they even thought it.

[True Karate]

I hate being in the MiDWEST. Nobody comes to you we gotta go to everybody else! Too expensive fo a po black nicca. If I had it my way I'd be living it up traveling to all the tournies getting experience like Justin and Ricky but I just dont got it like that.

weak sauce

[polarity]

thanks for telling me to play fighting games dsp, don't know what i'd do without you!

[pherai]

you can't expect people who are looking for football games to stop and check out a 3s match. almost every video game fan knows sf in some aspect and if they recognize it, and they probably will, they will check it out. just hope it doesn't air opposite to family guy :arazz:

[Carmen]

Darksyde, when do you think you will get more info about the event? Just want to be able to plan ahead!

[N-Ken]

I dont think the point of some tv coverage is for everyone to understand whats going on at the time, but for example espn2 had the world domino championships. Im pretty sure there's fewer people relating to tournament level dominos than to SF, which 20-30 y/o males identify with. I watched the finals of that, I had very little idea what was going on, but I enjoyed it. Regardless, saying "oh it wont work" "people wouldnt watch" or w/e form of negativity is useless, if your not trying to help SF get higher then your holding it down, get out of the way. DSP is right, this is a chance we've been waiting for for a while, the first steps have been taken, lets do everything we can to finish this.

[Nick T.]

Interesting post from the King Of Hate™. Too bad the scene at CF is slowly dying. I would definitely like to see a resurgence to the days CF old. Even though NYC has Web2Zone for Friday night console gaming, its not that bad. But, not everybody has the time to attend either. Work and shit kills us.

CF is actually kicking up a bit these days.

[Henaki]

If Guilty Gear became a staple American game for the community, get fucking Majesco to publish the sequels somehow.

Lack of American release is really holding it back, we have #R for Xbox, and no good joysticks for Xbox, and the community has already moved on.

Hopefully Accent Core and all further releases will get American ports. A $30 price tag would move the game swimmingly as well.

[margalis]

To echo what someone else said, what the Cannons and pals have done is really amazing, they are just regular dudes that had the drive to do something special rather than just talk the talk.

[Overworld]

I'd agree though, for general comsumption from the populance, 3D games probably stand a lot better chance at keeping their attention. They may get someone nostolgic by seeing some people play ST, but people don't keep tuning in for nostolgia's sake. People watch Poker in the numbers they do, because a lot of people play poker, sadly a show showing real kids fighting Pokemon against each other would relate to more people than people playing ST.

The only 2D game that may have a shot is GG because of how it could possibly crossover with the anime fans. (Though then you'd almost need coverage to show up on Cartoon Network or something, lol.)

Anyway, any interest in the fighting game community is good, even if it means that games like Tekken are in the forefront. (Which is no knock to tekken, I like tekken.)

[spudlyff8fan]

Yeah, the only 2d games that would really capture the populace would be the good-looking, fast ones. And really, the only ones like that which come to mind are KOFXI, Garou and GG.

[Vicioustale]

Seeing as how everyone's talking about the whole tv thing, i agree it would be great to showcase top players skills at good looking 2d games and 3d games, Guilty Gear, the SNK big 3, Garou,and Tekken seems to be excellent, but then where does that put our SF fans? the game that started the whole Fighting Game craze in the first place. I'd say for whoever's running that on ESPN2 to rake in viewers with the pretty games, then introduce 3s and even some SF2 to the masses. This way they'll already be watching and if they see something they like, only better for the community.

[Lesterrr]

If your goal in having people see the fighting game played at high levels and go "whoa so cool!!!!" shouldn't you avoid 3S? I mean, it's a great game. But people will see it and be like "wow...this is slow..." and change the channel or they'll say "man...only those three?" and then change the channel (let's not start that argument...even though I'm opposed to tweaking the game, cmon...people will want to see more than those three).

The game, if it's gonna be on TV, should be something flashy, fast and with a wide variety of characters. Your average TV viewer doesn't wanna see a MvC2 match end after 10 minutes of chip damage. Your average TV watcher would see Daigo parrying a Chun Li super and be like "...?". Your average TV viewer would just change the channel after catching a glimpse SF2's outdated looks. Your average TV viewer would see CvS2's inconsistent palette and get bored after they see their fourth Blanka/Sagat/Vega team poke somebody to death.

So yeah, the best games would be either Garou (if scrubs saw Kevin doing his explosive juggles and a good Rock rushdown, they'd think it was nasty stuff), Tekken 5, VF4/5, SC3:AE (if it hits consoles) or DOA4 (all those due to sheer flashiness). Not that other games are BAD GAMES. But that your common scrub doesn't appreciate a fine pressure string and traditional looks.


Couldn't MvC2 and 3s be comparable? If a "scrub" saw magnus doing the rom infinite or Yun doing a GJ combo wouldnt that produce the same reaction? Also MvC2 wouldn't be that bad imo. Alot of people will be familiar with the marvel characters like magneto and such because of the mass media around it (x-men movies, tv shows etc..) I agree with skylars point that in order for people to be entertained they have to know what is going on. How would a average person know that rock is doing a mad rush down or that kevin is doing a crazy juggle.

And alot of people know about the famous daigo full parry just check out purepwnage.com's latest episode. Daigo is menchined in it about his parrying. And the creaters probably don't even know alot about SF or 3s.

just my 2 cents

[Jushiness]

i think mvc2 could deffinately catch the puplic eye. really i think all the main games could catch on [mvc2 due to fast gameplay, marvel characters and the non street fighter capcom characters, 3s due to crazy yun, urien and makoto combos, and the more serious gamers that get into fighting games. ggxx because of the great graphics, fast gameplay, and crazy combos ] and god willing some snk games too. i'd love garou, or kof to get popular


if i'm lucky kof mi2 will catch on XD

[Satomiblood]

Imagine MTV featuring games that don't have Halo or Madden somewhere in the title.

[Sano]

You'll have some tourney games at Digital Life this year? That's freaking great. I go every year and there's never any SF games to play. Maybe I'll compete in the tourney and get beat up, maybe I won't lol! But it will be hella nice to have SF games there or hell, any Capcom representation since they have not come to this show the last 2 years it was out. The first year we had a nice Guilty Gear Isuka 4 man tournament that I competed in which was a lot of fun, and GG XX# Reload was there available for playing. CVS2 was in Nintendo's area for 2 seconds before they pulled it. The second year there was no 2D fighting tournament but there were 2 SNK games, Samsho for the Xbox and KOF 94 Rebout, but Rebout had only one joystick for two days of the threee day event and SNK really had a terrible spot, in the middle of the hallway - No Tournament or competition or anything.

So hoping for some good stuff this year! Coolness.

[manux]

I hate being in the MiDWEST. Nobody comes to you we gotta go to everybody else! Too expensive fo a po black nicca. If I had it my way I'd be living it up traveling to all the tournies getting experience like Justin and Ricky but I just dont got it like that.

weak sauce

The only thing worse than being in the midwest is being in the upper midwest :arazz:

[Sweet Tooth]

Even if MvsC2 catches on how will the public play it?

Its not like they sell it in stores. and they're too lazy to find comp/people who have it.

[Jushiness]

Even if MvsC2 catches on how will the public play it?

Its not like they sell it in stores. and they're too lazy to find comp/people who have it.

if it gets popular it will be re-released.

[spudlyff8fan]

if it gets popular it will be re-released.

No it won't be. The game saw its last re-release back when it was "ported" to the PS2/Xbox.

[asicx]

if it gets popular it will be re-released.

It will almost never ever be released again. Spudlyff8 is right on. However, there's one more important fact as well. In 2005, Capcom lost the Marvel license to EA. The hard truth: money talks, and EA's got boat loads of it with just the Madden franchise alone. That's the reason why mvc2 became super valuable in the first place. It was rare and valuable back in 2003 but not like nowadays. Check eBay for it lately? They are being sold for over $70 used.

Scrubs didn't really care for it until they realized Marvel's never coming back to Capcom and they idea of "IT'S NEVER COMING BACK!" caused the supply and demand.

[Okame]

You know, with all the talk of keeping the community going, I think it's important to point out that one of the best things that people can do to help the community is to try and keep the hate out of it. When you say it's about the hype, not the hate, that's a good thing, but in some cases it isn't true. I never knew anything about the CableGuy-Smoothviper drama, but when I saw the video, I was appalled.

People in the video are screaming, getting in the player's faces, calling "fuck this" and "fuck that." I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to play in that situation, and when vids get released that show people acting like that, that hurts the community. You want to have your money match, fine, but I think its time for tournament organizers to start stepping in on situations like that. What went on there was ridiculous, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to start playing Marvel again if I thought I had to deal with people pulling that bullshit around me. I was so disgusted I didn't even finish watching the vid. The trash talk is just too much, it's disgusting.

At the point where someone is handing off the megaphone to someone in the crowd so they can trash talk someone sitting two feet away, that's not a positive image to project.

[spudlyff8fan]

You know, with all the talk of keeping the community going, I think it's important to point out that one of the best things that people can do to help the community is to try and keep the hate out of it. When you say it's about the hype, not the hate, that's a good thing, but in some cases it isn't true. I never knew anything about the CableGuy-Smoothviper drama, but when I saw the video, I was appalled.

People in the video are screaming, getting in the player's faces, calling "fuck this" and "fuck that." I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to play in that situation, and when vids get released that show people acting like that, that hurts the community. You want to have your money match, fine, but I think its time for tournament organizers to start stepping in on situations like that. What went on there was ridiculous, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to start playing Marvel again if I thought I had to deal with people pulling that bullshit around me. I was so disgusted I didn't even finish watching the vid. The trash talk is just too much, it's disgusting.

At the point where someone is handing off the megaphone to someone in the crowd so they can trash talk someone sitting two feet away, that's not a positive image to project.
Link to vid, plz. And cmon. What would the people of SRK be like without the hate? Alot better, that's what. But where would the lack of heart be?

[EVERDRED]

Link to vid, plz. And cmon. What would the people of SRK be like without the hate? Alot better, that's what. But where would the lack of heart be?

in the game.

[ThyAllMighty]

You know, usually after EVO's I'm super burnt on games, but after this EVO, I wanted to play even more than ever. My local arcade is crackin as shit and FFA even started having ranbats right after EVO so it seems like for some reaon or another, not many cali people are burnt.

BTW, thanks DSP for letting me use your stick a lot in 3s I really appreciate it! You're a duke irl.

[DarksydePhil]

You know, usually after EVO's I'm super burnt on games, but after this EVO, I wanted to play even more than ever. My local arcade is crackin as shit and FFA even started having ranbats right after EVO so it seems like for some reaon or another, not many cali people are burnt.

BTW, thanks DSP for letting me use your stick a lot in 3s I really appreciate it! You're a duke irl.

Are you the dood that beat my ass with Oro?

I hate you....

I can beat Chuns and Yuns and Kens all day, but throw some crazy off-the-wall shit at me and I'm helpless.

[Rise Vader]

Gotfrag wants to cover all the majors this year. Also at digital life they want to interview a few of the top 2d players and make an article spotlighting the FGC. So look good at digital life and show those pro gamers what hype is really about. Ive been to a many CPL in my life and have seen nothing NEAR as exciting as per say duc vs sanford. See you all at digital life.

[Duralath]

Hopefully, Ranbat 3.0 vids will keep the game going and bring more people into the fighting game scene itself.

DSP, good shit, sir. Thanks for keeping all of us motivated.

[Okame]

Here's the vid I was talking about:

The site (http://zachd.com/mvc2/)

The video itself (http://zachd.com/mvc2/evo/evovegas/10c%20MM%20Cableguy%20vs%20Smoothviper.wmv)

What goes on there is ridiculous. If people want to hate on each other outside of the game, feel free, but when people are sitting down and playing for money, shit like this shouldn't be tolerated. Whoever the guy in the background who keeps screaming "you dumb fuck" is should have been told to shut up or get out. That shit is not appropriate, especially during a money match.

[WasFemto]

You know, with all the talk of keeping the community going, I think it's important to point out that one of the best things that people can do to help the community is to try and keep the hate out of it. When you say it's about the hype, not the hate, that's a good thing, but in some cases it isn't true. I never knew anything about the CableGuy-Smoothviper drama, but when I saw the video, I was appalled.

People in the video are screaming, getting in the player's faces, calling "fuck this" and "fuck that." I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to play in that situation, and when vids get released that show people acting like that, that hurts the community. You want to have your money match, fine, but I think its time for tournament organizers to start stepping in on situations like that. What went on there was ridiculous, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to start playing Marvel again if I thought I had to deal with people pulling that bullshit around me. I was so disgusted I didn't even finish watching the vid. The trash talk is just too much, it's disgusting.

At the point where someone is handing off the megaphone to someone in the crowd so they can trash talk someone sitting two feet away, that's not a positive image to project.


:rofl: linkage please :rofl:

[Nescu69]

Here's the vid I was talking about:

The site (http://zachd.com/mvc2/)

The video itself (http://zachd.com/mvc2/evo/evovegas/10c%20MM%20Cableguy%20vs%20Smoothviper.wmv)

What goes on there is ridiculous. If people want to hate on each other outside of the game, feel free, but when people are sitting down and playing for money, shit like this shouldn't be tolerated. Whoever the guy in the background who keeps screaming "you dumb fuck" is should have been told to shut up or get out. That shit is not appropriate, especially during a money match.

Jeeeeeesus Christ! That video is fucking insane dude! Omg...wow, just fucking WOW...That's what happens when you piss NYC off lmfao damn...

[Return of Shiki]

This whole "What could we show on ESPN2 and NOT have the average clueless viewer change the channel?" thing has got me interested.

Honestly, 3S would not work. Look at the past 2 EVOs where even the MOST HARDCORE SF PLAYERS IN THE NATION complain that Chun vs. Chun, and Yun Vs. Yun is boring beyond belief.

MvC2 WOULD work, due to the flashiness and name recognition of the Marvel characters.

Don't underestimate Neo-Geo Battle Coliseum. Just last week I played NGBC at a LAN cafe (I don't have a PS2 at home to run Japanese games...) and playing survival mode trying to unlock the bosses with Marco. And all of the regulars there...pretty much your typical young FPS gamers who likely have never really played a fighter in their life were actually capitvated by my antics with Marco.

But the most untapped fighter in America is Guilty Gear BY FAR.
This game has SO much potential it's retarded. Japanese anime, flashy, pretty, rocking music, very faggy men...all that kind of good stuff that could catch on like wildfire with the American Otaku crowd. The only thing that really holds it back, as previously stated was the lack of NA PS2 release for anything past X2 (let's all try to forget the existence of Isuka). PS2...that's the system for the American Nipponophile. I doubt SCEA would even have a problem with approving Accent Core for like $30 or so...I mean they approved Isuka and that piece of shit sold for $50.
All it needs is a high-quality anime spinoff to be shown on Adult Swin, and it would take off.

[spudlyff8fan]

The main reason NGBC and/or KOFXI wouldn't work is wholly due to the fact they aren't in America.

[supaman]

The main reason NGBC and/or KOFXI wouldn't work is wholly due to the fact they aren't in America.

u can thanx sony of america for that.

DSP, I appreciate your words hopelfully I'll get to play u at TGA's next RANBAT

[supaman]

The main reason NGBC and/or KOFXI wouldn't work is wholly due to the fact they aren't in America.

u can thanx sony of america for that.

DSP, I appreciate your words hopelfully I'll get to play u at TGA's next RANBAT

[margalis]

Edit: Never mind.

[spudlyff8fan]

u can thanx sony of america for that.

DSP, I appreciate your words hopelfully I'll get to play u at TGA's next RANBAT

I can also thank SNK for not putting it on the Xbox or 360.

[DarksydePhil]

My whole point in this thread is to say HEY, we are gamers, we are out here, and we are willing to spend money as long as you work with us.

If we continue to keep the community alive during this traditional "lag time" then maybe these game developers will open up their eyes and start sending US ports of the SNK/Guilty Gear games our way.

If we all get grumpy about a handful of gamers who can't behave during matches, or a few game developers who haven't worked with US gamers in the past, then it's counter-productive to the cause.

STAY FOCUSED!

[DaLastDon25]

I was looking at the DigitalLife website and it just says that there will be games such as MvC2 and 3s. Anyone know anything definate? I'll show up and enter the tournaments if I know what I'm gonna be playing. If shit gets like that earlier video though, I'm not gonna even bother playing. It's precisely that kind of attitude that got me out of fighting games five years ago. I'm not that great of a player but I'll do whatever I can to support the scene.

[gozulin]

This whole "What could we show on ESPN2 and NOT have the average clueless viewer change the channel?" thing has got me interested.

Honestly, 3S would not work. Look at the past 2 EVOs where even the MOST HARDCORE SF PLAYERS IN THE NATION complain that Chun vs. Chun, and Yun Vs. Yun is boring beyond belief.

MvC2 WOULD work, due to the flashiness and name recognition of the Marvel characters.

Don't underestimate Neo-Geo Battle Coliseum. Just last week I played NGBC at a LAN cafe (I don't have a PS2 at home to run Japanese games...) and playing survival mode trying to unlock the bosses with Marco. And all of the regulars there...pretty much your typical young FPS gamers who likely have never really played a fighter in their life were actually capitvated by my antics with Marco.

But the most untapped fighter in America is Guilty Gear BY FAR.
This game has SO much potential it's retarded. Japanese anime, flashy, pretty, rocking music, very faggy men...all that kind of good stuff that could catch on like wildfire with the American Otaku crowd. The only thing that really holds it back, as previously stated was the lack of NA PS2 release for anything past X2 (let's all try to forget the existence of Isuka). PS2...that's the system for the American Nipponophile. I doubt SCEA would even have a problem with approving Accent Core for like $30 or so...I mean they approved Isuka and that piece of shit sold for $50.
All it needs is a high-quality anime spinoff to be shown on Adult Swin, and it would take off.

You're crazy. MvC2 would definitely not work. Way too much shit going on in the screen. Learning curve on that one is very steep for the people who didn't start on the slower, more basic Xmen, Marvel super heroes and so on. Not only do you have to memorize regular moves and supermoves, but also super jumps, combos, air combos, swap combos, swap super combos and so forth.

And as far as guilty gear goes, it might be a decent fighting game, but it's just not good enough. Maybe it came out too late but it just doesn't have the charisma of a street fighter or a fatal fury.

No, what we need is another revolution in fighting games. Similar to what happened with SF2 and Virtua Fighter. Nothing less than that will save us from becoming dinosaurs. And who knows when such a revolution might be, right now, FPSes have stolen the souls of our children. Even my brother is a CS junkie. He used to be a good SF and KOF player too...sigh.

[Preppy]

I love MvC2 (obviously), but I think one problem with MvC2 is that an outsider simply can't easily get into it. MvC2 is a dead game - you can either get it via eBay, play it at the arcade, or burn your own copy. If we really want a viable TV presence, I think you've got to play a game that Junior can grab at his local store and then join the scene too.

I don't think the specific game that's featured is necessarily that important - just increasing the visbility of the gaming scene in positive ways (hence why that press release from CapCom was cool), getting events organized, etc, etc - whatever we can do to increase/build out the infrastructure here I think is of really high value.

[spudlyff8fan]

LOL@ lack of GG charisma.

[Darklightjg1]

I know I'm like 2 weeks late on this, but did Capcom aslo show their support for EVO 2006? (Not that I know whether they've been doing this in the previous years or not but that would be good to hear). Regardless, good shit, yall are starting to do it big.:bgrin:

[megaultrasuper]

Late this year in November or December wer're holding a statewide tourney here in Lexington, KY. Should see between 20-30 people show up. If we get real lucky and see a lot of out of towners we could be dealing with 50. Not a lot, but considering I remember back when there where only two SF players from Kentucky on this forum that shows just how far the scene has come in the last few years. I don't know about espn2, but it seems to me that the SF community has reached a critical mass that may be the beginning of something greater.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

What was the reason for all the hate on Cableguy?

[E-bortion]

Passion. Enough said.

[matrix9280]

The tournament scene seems fine to me. I'd rather it not be on television to be honest with you. You don't kumite or fight club on tv do you?

[Rioting Soul]

Read this.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=95233

Jinmaster is dropping 3K+ on this and making sure that new blood comes. It's in my hometown(6 blocks away actually). I'm definetly going.

[Myfacehurts24]

If the fighting game community actually GROWS within the next year, I'll drink a cup of my own man milk. You need to have a lot of money and power to convince standard evry day idiots that fighting games are "cool" and "competitive." Kentucky has 10 people who play and two of them are selling all thier games and sticks because they're getting "too old." I hate to be a nay sayer but, things get worse all the time. In 5 years, SRK and won't even BE here anymore. We'll of ALL moved on because there will be no interest.



I hope I'm wrong.