How come a lot of Kaillera players dont play in real tournaments?

[qwazy]

You would think with all the "talent" on kaillera, they'd fuck shit up in real life.

What's up?

[Xorcist]

My suspicion is that they're too used to the lag, and can't deal with realtime play anymore. :wgrin:

[Emil]

You would think with all the "talent" on kaillera, they'd fuck shit up in real life.

What's up?

Some of them do play in offline tournaments. Most of them only think they are good until they play offline and realize their online tactics don't work.

[Kyokuji]

I think it has more to do with location. I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of us are on kaillera because we don't live near any local arcades or the competition there sucks. I 'used' to be a part of the Toronto scene, but my family moved, so that was the end of that.

Also, some people like RealKim and Walchuk do participate regularly. You just generally see these guys on less, because they have lots of competition near them so they don't need to be on kaillera all the time.

[Nagata Lock II]

location, location, location...

Personally I don't see how anyone that has an arcade within an hour of you woudn't make their way out to play at least once a month but that's just me, I travel to a lot of tournies so my perspective is skewed. Either way, I think it boils down to where you are in relation to the majority of your competition.

Oh yeah, and a lot of Kaillera players fucking suck and would get verbally raped if they brought their BS to offline play.

[Overworld]

Eh, that's the whole point of Kaillera really, it enables people to play from home, so it'll appeal more to the same crowd that won't wanna travel for a tournament. Not to mention many of the games that a lot of people are interested in during tournaments (3S, MvC2, CvS2, Tekken, etc) aren't emulated, so the kaillera players aren't even playing these games all that much. (At least not against anyone.)

I'm sure some people who play on Kail play in tournaments, but generally kaillera is a substitute to competition for many people who live in areas where either no one plays the game they like, they are casual gamers, or for people who have no arcade options.

[ParryAll]

You would think with all the "talent" on kaillera, they'd fuck shit up in real life.

What's up?

Social Anxiety Disorder, look it up.

[Serpent]

Online play is NOTHING like real play, even if the pings are really low. A lot of top offline players absolutely refuse to play online, or if they do, they usually suck. It's not something even worth getting used to if you're interested in offline play, because getting good online usually means you'll suck offline, and vice versa. The timing online is completely different, hit confirm and block stuns are all different too.

[Slide]

Some people just CANT always make it to certain events due to their occupation.

I've been to many tournaments, but i've also been in total locked down training, or deployed(iraq, hurricane katrina, etc.) for about near combined 2 of the last 3 years.

Before the Army though, i had been to a few MD tourneys and played tomass in a3 and walchuk in kof, etc. just to name those that you've probably seen and played on kal before, so they could easily vouch for the validity of my online and offline play and for them vice versa.
--

You guys dont know how hard it is for me to try and attend some of these tournaments, especially with the military's strict rules as far as going 250 miles off post without leave or passes, which have to be approved. And getting things like that approved is based on if you have the leave, and also dependent on how generous your commander in your unit is. Being in a tactical unit, it's not easy.

However, I SHOULD be going to Final Round X though(i was at 8, but missed 9 last year cause of iraq) in march, so i hope to see some of you A3 players in this section, there, at least for some casual if you guys can.

----
Also, the best and closest, arcade near this military post had(Mindboggle), is no longer. :sad:
--------

Oh yeah btw, alot of the shit ppl be doing on kal just wont fly offline PERIOD. just cause i can't take half their life away on kaillera when they whiff and spam gay shit. I refuse to change and alter my game for kaillera play, which is why i take Ls from stupid stuff on here.

[RushedDown]

i play on kaillera and i got to a good deal of tournies

sometimes u just cant make it out to places cause of work or family shit

but yeah i totaly agree about the playing online and looking like a scrub lol

i still cant get use to the lag....and i dont want to

[luxxx]

I used to travel for Tekken but that was before I joined the military, got married, got my wife knocked up and gave a fuck. Just playing in local tournies you will never be known, you'd have to travel. And do these people who travel every year for games have lives? You might be saying yes....ask yourself the same question in 5 years.

[Kyokuji]

Well, your definition of 'a life' is very subjective.
Not everyone wants to have kids or whatever.
To me, having a life is having the time to do the things you enjoy. Whatever they may be.

[qwazy]

Online play is NOTHING like real play, even if the pings are really low. A lot of top offline players absolutely refuse to play online, or if they do, they usually suck. It's not something even worth getting used to if you're interested in offline play, because getting good online usually means you'll suck offline, and vice versa. The timing online is completely different, hit confirm and block stuns are all different too.

I'm not really talking about the transition from online to offline, I'm saying, these guys obviously have ability to play games, regardless of whether it's online or offline.

To be good at fighting games, (at least this is what I think stands for good players) you have to have a certain amount of ability. If these mvc1 and xvsf and a3 players can get so good at those respective games, why cant they get as good in mvc2, cvs2, 3s, etc?

[Kyokuji]

Probably because there's no competition for them to improve on. Most of their comp' for those games comes from kaillera and MvC2, etc aren't emulated properly yet.

[arstal]

So the Fayetteville arcade is closed now? Not surprised.

Closest one to you know will either be Raleigh or Columbia.

[Slide]

So the Fayetteville arcade is closed now? Not surprised.

Closest one to you know will either be Raleigh or Columbia.

Evil Morrigan told me that mindboggle had closed, it happened in december when i was already in Iraq.

i'm just starting to RE-learn 3s, cause i didnt like my performance in the tourney i was in for it(and t5 too for that matter) before i deployed, i did much better at fr8 for that game. i didnt have any knowledge of the game either. so i'm definintly not travelling to raleigh/durham to get served on the 16th.

it's also messed up that for the most part in NC and MD/VA, a3 is dead. But i'll have some old heads that will be def willing to play when i get my next leave oppurtunity(christmas).

i'm gonna be practicing up 3s for when i get back to MD for christmas, and of course i ALWAYS got a3 marinatin'. And by march i think i can make my 3s game compete for FRX.

It's a shame that i'll step into the scene for like 2 tourneys or so, and then i dissappear due to Army business or whatever. But i mean, that's just life, right now.

[Kayin]

Well, your definition of 'a life' is very subjective.
Not everyone wants to have kids or whatever.
To me, having a life is having the time to do the things you enjoy. Whatever they may be.

Best response to that type of question ever.

[Nagata Lock II]

Well, your definition of 'a life' is very subjective.
Not everyone wants to have kids or whatever.
To me, having a life is having the time to do the things you enjoy. Whatever they may be.
Agreed, personally I found Luxxx post pretty insulting. It's like settling down and having a family is the criteria by which a "life" is determined. If you ask someone who's single or dating if they think their married friends with babies have a "life" they'd probably tell you no and give a laundry list of reasons.

There's room to have a healthy social calandar and be active in your gaming community. I hold down a full time job, date regularly, make sure to spend at least one out of the 3 weekend (I count Friday) days out with my non gaming friends and I literally organize the entire SF tourney scene in Ontario and attend out of province tournaments to boot. While I'm not going to say this balancing act is easy or recommended for the average player, it can be done and without any hampering to your "life."

[Overworld]

I don't think he meant it insultingly, he just means your priorities change when you get a family, and when you have to consider others as well as yourself, than it can make travelling to play in tournaments hard, or even attending them with all that much frequency.

I think you're reading too much into what he said as a crack on people who do travel, he's just saying it's a reason some people cannot, or do not.

[Tea]

Probably because there's no competition for them to improve on. Most of their comp' for those games comes from kaillera and MvC2, etc aren't emulated properly yet.
Biggest problem.
Even ONE good player makes all the difference. My good friend and biggest rival sorta quit and is more into GO now, so... :(
I sponsor a club at my university to try and get players better and promote fighting games, but they're usually more into PC games or halo(i imagine things will pick up when SSB:B comes out).
I travel to tournies when I can, but the closest place is an hour and a half away, though I usually have to travel 3-8 hours (depending on which state i head for).
It's just tough to get around, but with things like SSB:B and ST becoming available online and (hopefully) accessible and tolerable, things will certainly change. I'm quite eager for what the next 5 years has in store for fighting games.

[Ultimate_Braver]

Some of them do play in offline tournaments. Most of them only think they are good until they play offline and realize their online tactics don't work.

What are these online tactics?

[luxxx]

I don't think he meant it insultingly, he just means your priorities change when you get a family, and when you have to consider others as well as yourself, than it can make travelling to play in tournaments hard, or even attending them with all that much frequency.

I think you're reading too much into what he said as a crack on people who do travel, he's just saying it's a reason some people cannot, or do not.

Thank you Overworld. And Kyokuji you are correct, 'having a life' is relative to the individual. In retrospect, I had a shitload of good times of blunt filled, ear bleeding, hardcore training nights. But it is true your priorities change. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone over 27 or so at a tourney. Furthermore, I apologize if I insulted anyone.

Nagata: PM

[r3ko]

I learnt fighting games playing on kaillera, and my moto is if you can pull off crazy shit online then there should be no problem doing it offline.

i don't think playing online affects your game that much. Its only when you start doing things which only work online that could get you in trouble. But if you good offline then you should be good online as along as pings are low and theres no noticeable delay. With these conditions only very frame specific stuff could be abit tricky.

But as someone said earlier none of the big current games are played on kaillera anyways, with the exception of ST, which susprisingly gets very little play despite it being included in most major tournaments.

Most popular games on kaillera in the western part of the world, are A3, MVC, KoF98/2002, smash and weleague it appears. Well A3 is has died down alot as far as offline scene goes, so kaillera lets the a3 guys continue to play. MVC2 is not on kaillera yet so MVC is the next best thing i guess. Kof has a somewhat cult following, and kaillera gives the players spread out a chance to get some games in. Smash melee is a big game and brawl will no doubt big a huge hit, so its only natural there will be a following for smash bros. Finally weleague is a football game, for you yanks thats soccer. Biggest sport in the world, nuff said.

[0746]

As long as its not much, the delay is a privilege...not a deterrent. You need skills for not just for the gameplay, but anticipating your opponent as well to some extent. Of course, unless your connection is totally shit that you are better off not trying at all, the lagg is never that much. Those who sucks, sucks everywhere!

[DaDesiCanadian]

Online =/= offline. Online has it's own styles of play etc., which MIGHT...(MIGHT)... (keyword: MIGHT), work in lower levels of offline play, but once you even get intermediate, online play just goes out of the window. Don't jump nigga.

[Serpent]

Those of you claming offline and online play are the same...do you people even play offline? Seriously.

The only people in this thread that I KNOW are qualified to speak on this are myself, Nagata and Slide, because I KNOW all of us have played on both. And ALL of us agree that offline and online play are different.

I don't know how the fuck it happened, but somehow kaillera warriors have been able to push their kaillera way into the general mindset of this site. Just a few years ago, when kaillera was actually playable, it was laughed at. Yet now, when it's so laggy that Slide gave up on .64, and I absolutely refuse to play on good, suddenly, kaillera is legit? That's a joke right?

Hey I got an idea, instead of having Evo, lets have everyone meet on a kaillera server, and run a tournament that way instead! Since it's the same, why waste money? The title of best player in the country can go to whoever wins online! Give me a break. The only way to make kaillera even PLAYABLE is to turn the clock back to Mame .58-.61, set up great servers, get companies to make good pads again like 5 years ago (for those of us that aren't about to buy a stick just to play kaillera) and probably play on excellent. That stuff is not going to happen.

[0746]

Dont think there was much of kaillera exactly 5 years ago but anyways...nothing is the same as playing on real arcade... the motivation behind kaillera was not to replace arcade...it was to allow those emulators to play online. Emulators...They run on your computer, is not the same as real arcade. You can feel the delay when you press buttons. You are looking at that + some added delay. It does not compare to original game program directly reading port values from hardwired switches. Turning the clock wont help much :/ Nothing beats the originals. Does not mean its not playable. People can and do play and have fun on the fakes.

Does not mean if you play good on real arcade, you would suck on kaillera. Sure its different and annoying if you still think your connection isnot good enough to play on lan or excelent really goes at 30fps...but being good on kaillera or real life does not imply you suck on the other. Scrubs scrub everywhere and suckers suck everywhere.

[r3ko]

Those of you claming offline and online play are the same...do you people even play offline? Seriously.

The only people in this thread that I KNOW are qualified to speak on this are myself, Nagata and Slide, because I KNOW all of us have played on both. And ALL of us agree that offline and online play are different.

I don't know how the fuck it happened, but somehow kaillera warriors have been able to push their kaillera way into the general mindset of this site. Just a few years ago, when kaillera was actually playable, it was laughed at. Yet now, when it's so laggy that Slide gave up on .64, and I absolutely refuse to play on good, suddenly, kaillera is legit? That's a joke right?

Hey I got an idea, instead of having Evo, lets have everyone meet on a kaillera server, and run a tournament that way instead! Since it's the same, why waste money? The title of best player in the country can go to whoever wins online! Give me a break. The only way to make kaillera even PLAYABLE is to turn the clock back to Mame .58-.61, set up great servers, get companies to make good pads again like 5 years ago (for those of us that aren't about to buy a stick just to play kaillera) and probably play on excellent. That stuff is not going to happen.

I just played in a real offline tournament yesterday, with some extremely good players, including players like Ryan Hart. I made it to the quarter finals in a 32 man competition. And i played exactly how i play like i do online. No lag no difference as far i'm concerned. People prefer offline, cause its just better, putting aside all the lag, delay, etc. Offline lets players met eachother in person, and it just creates a great atmosphere and its much more fun.

[Hitman]

First of all Kaillera has never been better. The mass broadband availability made my games MUCH smoother than when I tried it 3 years ago. Whoever thinking .64 has problems need to look into your end. The singular version of emulator makes it so much easier to maintain.

I consider myself to be very good (but not great) at old school games like CE and HF, whenever I find someone online that can beat me by an overwhelming margin (for example in CE a guile player can lower forward -> low strong -> flash kick me every time I whiff a dragon punch) I ask them if they play in tourneys, the answer is always yes.

The bottom line is if you are good you won't lose to lag friendly tactics. People who are better than me online would most likely beat me badly offline, and vice versa (assuming the quality of the connection is good of course).

There are so many top players on Kaillera. I used to play in Chinatown Fair when I was a kid, I would say with the exception of Friday/Saturday Nights the competition online is VERY comparable to CF. 1 out of 3 players online would beat me badly in games that I used to dominate in CF (A2, CE, ST) at least during normal hours (not when Jwong and friends are in town).

Arcade is dead and it is never gonna come back. For fighting games to survive, ONLINE play is the key, not offline. Games like CS, WC3, SC are immensely popular BECAUSE of online play, it creates a large community of players and some of them WILL eventually go to OFFLINE tournaments.

Like someone said, 3S, MVC2, CVS2 are not available on Kaillera, you can't get good at games you don't play. I have all of those for my console but I don't remember the last time I touched them because there is NO OFFLINE COMPETITION.

Kaillera gives me competition 24/7. I can wake up in the morning and put in 20 minutes before work if I want to. Online > Offline for 90% of the players out there. I guarantee you far more people play on Kaillera/XBL than offline tourneys. Casual players determine the success of a genre, NOT hardcores.

[gbursine]

i try. I just have alot of the rest of my life. every tournament is at least an hr away from my house.

[Malfreds]

I used to assist to tourneys here. Not big ones like Evo, but the ones in little stores around the city. You came up to downtown to see the anounces of these tourneys every week. And believe me, some of them were very high level matches. There aren't prices, just honour and knowledge to be the best ;)

Agree with luxxx. Life changes and games go to a deep second term. :/

[Kyokuji]

The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that kaillera was better before.
"MAME" was better before, not kaillera. Shit used to lag like hell a couple years ago. It's much, much more stable now because we have better servers and better connections.

That being said, playing certain games on good is seriously frustrating. Jump-ins become total bullshit on good in Alpha 3, because anti-airs tend to have very specific timing in that game.
It's also made worse by the fact that if someone jumps in, and they get knocked out of the air, instead of deciding that it's a bad idea to keep jumping, they'll usually just do it even more rapidly and sporadically in the hopes that you mess up or it lags.

[ChibiPotPie]

I dont have the knowledge or resources for tournaments. I am completely unaware of them.

[RabbitDynamite]

Those of you claming offline and online play are the same...do you people even play offline? Seriously.

The only people in this thread that I KNOW are qualified to speak on this are myself, Nagata and Slide, because I KNOW all of us have played on both. And ALL of us agree that offline and online play are different.

I don't know how the fuck it happened, but somehow kaillera warriors have been able to push their kaillera way into the general mindset of this site. Just a few years ago, when kaillera was actually playable, it was laughed at. Yet now, when it's so laggy that Slide gave up on .64, and I absolutely refuse to play on good, suddenly, kaillera is legit? That's a joke right?

Hey I got an idea, instead of having Evo, lets have everyone meet on a kaillera server, and run a tournament that way instead! Since it's the same, why waste money? The title of best player in the country can go to whoever wins online! Give me a break. The only way to make kaillera even PLAYABLE is to turn the clock back to Mame .58-.61, set up great servers, get companies to make good pads again like 5 years ago (for those of us that aren't about to buy a stick just to play kaillera) and probably play on excellent. That stuff is not going to happen.

If people were saying that Kaillera and arcade play were exactly the freaking same, and if the top kaillera players (the real ones, not deluded lunatics like JaketheSnake) were going around saying they were equal to Alex freakin' Valle, you would have a point. As it is, you're simply twisting the position of your oposition into a bizzare and burning the flimsy straw man you've assembled to resemble the other position. Why? Well I'm tempted to say that it's because you're a nasty little sod who feels like asserting your supiriority over those who aren't lucky enough to be able to go to tourneys reguarly, but you don't seem like that kind of guy. Maybe it's a perfectionist streak?

Nobody (that is, nobody who is sane) is claiming that Kaillera is exactly the same as the real thing. Delay and lag are pains in themselves and create unbalancing bullshit (Splash Zangies, how i hate you) and cheap tricks. But it's not supposed to be exactly as good. It's an eratz arcade that acts as a substitute for those who can't go to the oh-so-high-and-mighty evo (and from perspective, there's little sarcasm in that) but, amazingly, still want to play fighting games! Isn't that amazing, that people want to do something that they enjoy in a manner that doesn't meet your exact freaking approval, oh gre - wait a moment, who made you the god the fighting game?

This wouldn't stick in my craw so much if you didn't make online players sound like freaking fascists. "pushing their Kaillera way"? Are you on something that induces parinoid fantasies and under the dullusion the kaillera top brass want to obliterate all arcades and consoles and move all play to the internet. Hey, if that happened, maybe online fihgters wouldn't be so shit!

Maybe I'm not the right man to say this, since I'm so very, very bad that online or offline play wouldn't make a difference to me. But damnit, my crap detector would only take so much.

[Serpent]

The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that kaillera was better before.
"MAME" was better before, not kaillera. Shit used to lag like hell a couple years ago. It's much, much more stable now because we have better servers and better connections.

That being said, playing certain games on good is seriously frustrating. Jump-ins become total bullshit on good in Alpha 3, because anti-airs tend to have very specific timing in that game.
It's also made worse by the fact that if someone jumps in, and they get knocked out of the air, instead of deciding that it's a bad idea to keep jumping, they'll usually just do it even more rapidly and sporadically in the hopes that you mess up or it lags.

The reason I say it was better before is that a lot of us did have broadband 5 years ago anyway. Snausage fingerz and fugu were great servers that haven't been matched to this day, atleast I don't think so. Obviously also, MAME was indeed better before. I think it's both though. I also disagree with someone saying they can get games 24/7, I don't see people on most of the time. I usually only play people I know, but back in the past when there were lots of servers with lots of players I used to play quite a bit.

Most good players consider kaillera a joke, and most won't even play on it because of how it messes with timing and gameplay. You have to get used to the lag, and then you have to play a different style. There is no question to this. The fact that people are arguing this is frankly ridiculous. There are posts on SRK where this issue was discussed before. I agree with guys like DGV and JumpsuitJesse and Apoc and others (other people offline that I don't want to name) that kaillera is simply not playable in any serious way, I think zbattle and kega though are a lot better. I also trust my own abilities and observation much more than random people on this board. Whatever, I'm through with this, if you want to believe kaillera and offline play are the same you're free to believe that.

Rabbit: Read some of the posts above mine. There are CERTAINLY people on this thread that claim it's the same, and those are the people I'm addressing my comments to. I've beaten players online that are better than me offline and lost to players I'm better than offline, although I try not to abuse delay sometimes I just do it anyway. The difference is that by playing offline I can tell when I'm getting away with certain bullshit online, but if I had just played only online I know I wouldn't have known. Some things are rather subtle, and as I've mentioned way back a lot of it has to do with block stun and punishing moves. There is a LOT of stuff that's a lot safer to stick out online than it is offline. Online play also almost completely nullifies good footsies. Good footsies/poking are frequently the difference at high levels of play offline, but online almost completely removes that. This is one of the reasons that very good offline players can be complete crap online, yet some very weak offline players become studs online. If you ignore footsies, don't care about hit confirming, and are perfectly happy just basically executing a pattern, you'll usually go far online. Try it offline, and you'll run into players that will take you apart more often than not.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

I dont have the knowledge or resources for tournaments. I am completely unaware of them.

You seem to have forgotten what site you are on lol

The only way to make kaillera even PLAYABLE is to turn the clock back to Mame .58-.61, set up great servers, get companies to make good pads again like 5 years ago (for those of us that aren't about to buy a stick just to play kaillera) and probably play on excellent. That stuff is not going to happen.

the input thing could have been well solved but 0.64 source has almost completely disappeared off the planet for some odd reason.

[Hitman]

Offline is already dead for 99% of the people out there. Be happy online play is around, keeping the genre alive. There are more players playing online than offline any day of the week.

ONLINE KEEPS OFFLINE ALIVE. If there is no XBL and Kaillera there would be even less people in North America playing fighters. Any given hour there is more action on XBL and Kaillera than arcade/offline console combined.

I can log onto Kaillera 24/7 and find a ton of competition. I don't have a friend list and I don't want to play the same people everyday or I play the same games everyday. I play against whoever is on. The only thing Kaillera is missing would be a ranking system (although I guess we can't have everything).

Godweapon >>>>>>>>>>>> Sausage fingers. I get <30 ping and high quality play all the times. I never had offline-like play on Sausage fingers, ever. Late night games on Godweapon against 30ms folks I can't feel lag at all.

95% of the players for any competitive game would never, ever step into a tourney ever. Yet THEY ARE THE ONES KEEPING THE GENRE ALIVE. The hardcore 5% will never be mainstream. A lot of people don't give a damn about Daigo or Jwong, they just want to beat eachother up online.

It is a dying genre, don't bite the hand that is keeping it alive.

[Kyokuji]

The only thing Kaillera is missing would be a ranking system

Oh god no. People would be abusing shit and dropping left and right.
Also, kaillera is definitely 'not' the reason why the genre is staying alive. Most of the gaming population doesn't even know it exists. It's really just a small community of maybe a couple hundred people. If you go to places like California or Toronto, there's tons of competition everywhere.

[-=KOH=-]

What do you nerds usually ping at 150 or something daaaamn:arazz: . My ping is generally 20-40 and I absolutly cannot tell the difference. But you can tell when some dumbass is getting de-synced though. General rule of thumb-s , don't pause ever...you get de-synced and if you are pinging over 100 never play online.

I play offline "cvs2" with my friends about 4 times a week and almost every day by myself. If you are pinging good on Godweapon the delay is totally un-noticeable, and make sure you are playing people with a ping either tied or lower than yours.

I mean I guess there is a very very very small difference in timing , and there is lag sometimes. But alot of you who complain about it must have a bad connection:wink: .

Also It really is a casual environment on kaillera, even the tournaments. Thats another huge factor.

[Emil]

I play offline "cvs2" with my friends about 4 times a week and almost every day by myself. If you are pinging good on Godweapon the delay is totally un-noticeable, and make sure you are playing people with a ping either tied or lower than yours.

I mean I guess there is a very very very small difference in timing , and there is lag sometimes. But alot of you who complain about it must have a bad connection:wink: .

Something tells me you aren't really a reaction player, if you say the delay is un-noticeable. And I ping at 28.

[0746]

GW should start displaying average ping instead of best ping. Its misleading. My ping is supposed to be some 300ms but it shows me 13 :/ If you are not going to display average...you may as well ping only once instead of 4 times.

[RPGer]

I enjoy playing online games, but the button timing kills me. Me being a person that is reliant on precise timing and reaction, I tend to stay away from fighting games online due to this reason.

[Shiro_420]

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that a huge number of players on kaillera use macros (3p, 3k, ect) and they also play on keyboard or on the controller. You can’t do that in most tournaments. At Evo they allow macros (even though its wrong) but at about 97% of any arcade tournament there are no macros allowed. Also you can’t bring controllers or keyboards to arcade tournaments (Besides Evo or any consol tournament) A large portion (90%) of fighting game players frown on the use of macros. You can also look at the fact that many of these people are to bust or just not that fanatical about video games to travel for them.

[D'Nyc3]

The only person I think I played IRL in a tournament(Not a tourney match) was Gbursine. He's a beast! LOL

But seriously... playing A3 in an actually tournament is fun as hell compare to kaillera... all the advantages online is taken away.

-1-

-Beastcoast

[0746]

I am surprised you brought that point up. I guess you've never played a mass macro abuser like me which is what i used to be during my early kaillera programming days with my keyboard. I could play fighters even with delay as big as 250 ms on kaillera if I am using them ^_^(Ive done it before and won too). Anyways, I don't reckon anyone really needs macros even on kaillera unless they are using keyboard where you have restrictions on the no of keys you can press at once depending on your setting and single frame macros are good enough for them.

[calculator]

well i play online because besides of few of us in my area actually play fighters.

most guys like sports i played a tournament once

did fairly well lol

[Nagata Lock II]

This is basically for Plutoburn and Kyokuji (though if I'm missing any Toronto players that play on Kaillera, my mistake).

We hosting our annual Christmas Tournament on 12/16 (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121639). Alpha 3 looks to be drawing a large crowd and I'd like you two to attend this tournament as I know you're both talented A3 players. I know in Kyokuji's case, it's a mission to get there but I know there are London players attending and I'm sure you could hitch a ride with someone.

It'd be great to have you guys there.

[Zeras]

Well, I used too, now I'm kinda getting overwhelmed by
college and my other gaming leagues& tornaments. Ahhhh...
my friend AJ does go to tornaments like in Orlando, FL.
me and him live not that far away from each other, we play alot
of Netplay and local tornaments. I use to go big but now that's all him.

[Wazeem]

I live in london, non of my mates play at competition level or any level. The tourneys are pretty rare here and to top it they happen on arcade machines, i grew up with the controller thus cant play with them at my best so no point. I dont play on kaillera anymore either cos the lag and assholes that crashed games but i just check these forums here and there and felt like posting.

[-JuNo-]

I tihnk I agree with kyokuji. A lot of people who dont live near arcades will proly just play kaillera, like me.. but I practice much offline with arcade stick. If i did live near a good arcade, I would prolly be there more than kaillera. As for tourneys Ive only been in one tournament offline at a convention, there was a few really good players in 3s and cvs2.

[Deezee]

I dont play because i never kno when they happen. :mad:

[r3ko]

I used to play ST on kaillera for a maybe 1-2 hours a day mostly, but i've been without an internet connection for about 5 weeks. So i've only had offline comp at the arcade. There was a few offline tournaments during this time and i just didn't feel as confident as i normally do and didn't do as well in the offline tournaments i played in when i regularly played on kaillera.

Its probably just different from person to person, but i notice very little difference between offline and online. I use the same tactics and have equal if not better accuracy offline. I've always thought if you can do some crazy shit online with lag then you can do that crazy shit offline).

By now you'll probably questioning the competition i have where i am. Well i live and play in London (where 90% of the best of players in England play) so i'm regularly facing extremely good players, and i always do well when i've been playing kaillera. It benefits me far more than it hinders me, since i am constantly getting regular practice.

[agxlover]

hey how is the speed and lag for MvC1? is it super slow, or even plaayable?

[Daisuke Driver V]

Well, I can say I do play on Kaillera and I do have fun most of the time with A3 and Garou and there are some cheap players who probably wouldn't last fighting offline. I have to admit Kaillera isn't the best way of going about getting better in a game, but if you play with an arcade pad eight or six button you guys should be fine. I know if the proper tournament games where emulated there would be some sort of struggle for those on Kaillera if they had no lag, the tournament players got on there to pratice, and used arcade pads then most of them would probably quit playing on Kaillera.

I don't go out to the Arcade often but when I do, I play and I have fun with it.

[Jinrai]

Kaillera for Puzzle Fighter, Zbattle for SF. That's all I need online.

Offline is superior, but nobody plays Puzzle Fighter within a 500 mile radius of me. Hell, hardly anyone plays it ONline anymore... did I scare them all off?

[Tea]

Kaillera for Puzzle Fighter, Zbattle for SF. That's all I need online.

Offline is superior, but nobody plays Puzzle Fighter within a 500 mile radius of me. Hell, hardly anyone plays it ONline anymore... did I scare them all off?
Probably! That games seems like ST where you have to be perfect before you're even remotely good at it.

[Red-Impact]

I usually play on Kaillera for the hell of it and end up leaving because I lost to some noob who only does jump HK and low MK ..then they call that skill. I've had many idiots trying to "school" me on what I should or should not do..bitch I've been trying to counter the entire game but the lag makes it impossible.

I really should stop going there, losing to noobs hurts my pride :rofl: (not that I go thre often anyways)

Kaillera has at least a .5 second delay, so the game has no time to register my moves (since I execute them about 1 sec before the player lands on me/etc.). For me, it's very hard to have respect for kaillera players.

Kaillera is only good for streets of rage

[morphus56k]

kaillera is full of idiots who obviously love lag tactics. just switch from "Good (20 keyframes/s)" to "Excellent (30 keyframes/s)"
only reason to play on 20 keyframes is if your playing a 56ker or some dude from another country.

MORE KEYFRAMES = BETTER GAMEPLAY = no retarded lag tactics

if you got 5-20ms put that to "LAN(60 keyframes/s)" and boom, no lag, just like real life

[Dandy J]

You can actually use LAN all the way up to 100ms ping if you're playing on a private, non-Emulinker server. Someone I know had a private server in BC that I pinged 65~70ms to and the input delay was significantly (and when I say significantly I mean significantly) less than Excellent with ~40ms ping. One day he decided to try Emulinker, and games played in slow-motion, so needless to say he went back to a normal server pretty fucking quick.

The problem is that people usually play on Emulinker servers with 70+ people. You can't even use LAN setting with TWO people if the server is Emulinker. I'm convinced that Kaillera was not built to be played with mega-servers, unless you just don't give a shit about connection quality at all. Even one player hosting from their own PC (ie giving the host no input delay at all) and then using LAN setting is far better than both having 30ms ping and Excellent because the lag is so minimal with LAN.

Unfortunately everyone thinks Excellent is good enough, when it is really barely acceptable.

[Kyokuji]

It's a shame there isn't some kind of balance.
The speed of a default kaillera server and the security of an emulinker one.

[Ruhit]

I think in kaillera, the people are better at the Marvel games, but in real arcades, the prople offline would own them in SNK games, I used to play this game Double Dragon (neo geo) it is my favorite game, and in the arcades, I was good but there was a number of people that beat me, When i come to kaillera, I'm already the best, I only get competition from 1 guy, Willie (justice) every1 else sucks there, I played Chibipotpie there, hes not bad but hes not that good either, although idk for how long hes been playing it.

[arstal]

Not many people play double dragon period you know.
On or offline

[Alucard20]

I think in kaillera, the people are better at the Marvel games, but in real arcades, the prople offline would own them in SNK games, I used to play this game Double Dragon (neo geo) it is my favorite game, and in the arcades, I was good but there was a number of people that beat me, When i come to kaillera, I'm already the best, I only get competition from 1 guy, Willie (justice) every1 else sucks there, I played Chibipotpie there, hes not bad but hes not that good either, although idk for how long hes been playing it.

Potpie is a girl.

[Ruhit]

Lol wat does that have to do with anything i said? it doesnt matter does it?

[Alucard20]

u called her a he... so i told u potpie is really a girl.

[Ruhit]

Not many people play double dragon period you know.
On or offlineWhere I lived at before, there was a nice arcade place with games like Breakers revenge, Tekken Tag, kof2k2 and double dragon and other bs, double dragon was the most played there, then tekken, then kof2k2 and breakers was pretty much equally played. But the double dragon arcade was always overcrowded with people.

[0746]

Where I lived at before, there was a nice arcade place with games like Breakers revenge, Tekken Tag, kof2k2 and double dragon and other bs, double dragon was the most played there, then tekken, then kof2k2 and breakers was pretty much equally played. But the double dragon arcade was always overcrowded with people.
Thought double dragon became extinct before kof 2001.