Risk Free $100 bet this Monday

[Viscant]

http://www.betwwts.com/page.asp?content=promotions/monnight_madness.asp

We’re offering all new signups a no-lose bet…..Introducing MONDAY NIGHT MADNESS

We guarantee you’ll walk away a winner by betting this weeks Monday night game.

Simply bet $100 on the Atlanta Falcons at -3.5 against New Orleans Saints this Monday. If the Falcons win we’ll pay you out. If the Falcons don’t cover we’ll refund your $100 bet right back into your account. No rollovers, no questions asked and you can withdraw your money immediately.




I thought I'd post this on SRK because people here like free money and it's a pretty good deal. Especially this week because the Falcons are almost guaranteed to crush the Saints.

Just to answer some questions people asked about it last week:
--The offer is only good for a $100 bet. No more, no less.
--Yes they really pay back if the bet loses. Last week a few SRK/IRCers (myself, Chocobo, souporman, martianla) signed up and did the same bet with Steelers/Jaguars. The Steelers decided not to try and got killed. The $100 was back in our accounts by morning.
--Why are they doing this? It's just advertising. In this case, they would spend more on a magazine ad, except now they have a bunch of people with money already in their accounts. A couple weeks ago Mansion did an offer like this (except it was a $1000 free bet) for the first game of the season. It got tremendous press all over the internet. So other books are just playing copycat.
--Do I benefit from this. Yes. My username on BetWWTS is Viscant. If you want to signup after reading this, there's a section on the signup page that says "If you were referred by a friend, please enter your friend's username." Be a homie. I just feel like I have to throw that in to be honest.
--Is this site reputable? Yes. BetWWTS is one of the oldest/most trusted sportsbooks on the net. They have an A+ at Sportsbookreview.com , which is the best you can get. Link on them here: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Reviews/BetWWTS/default.aspx



Anyways, just thought I'd share. A free $100 (actually probably more like $90.90) is always nice. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Adam Warlock]

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.


Can I borrow $100?

[Devil X]

We don't trust money making schemes from old marvel legends anymore :encore: :rock: :wasted:

[Hunter D]

sounds too good to be true.

[Random_Hero]

Sweet i was gonna go to a bookie. Now ill just bet over the internet and keep my legs in a non broken state.

[3b1r4h]

Spam

[Viscant]

Devil X:
There's a difference between a pyramid scheme and gambling. And I mean really, if you can't trust internet gambling in this crazy world then who CAN you trust?

Hunter D:
It's just a marketing technique. It's a pretty effective one. Win or lose, you have money in your account and they hope you get addicted and just keep betting. It's like drug dealers giving you a good deal in the beginning. And really it's better than spending that money on ad space in a magazine or anything. Because this way the money is already in people's accounts and they might think "hey this is easy, I'm gonna gamble again next week!"

And on that note, I'm not anybody's dad or anything and I don't make it my business to tell other people what to do. But I recommend if you do the offer, win or lose to just withdraw right away and walk away with the money. But again, not my business, just a personal recommendation from someone who does this for a living.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Viscant, they really gave the money back? I know a couple people who had trouble getting their money back from this site. They got the money, but when they tried to withdraw back to Neteller, they had problems. Which is why I'm hestitant to do it this time around. It wasn't like Mansion where everybody seemed to get their money.

I also know a couple people who TOOK the mansion bet, and the either a) bet more and lost it or b) Took it to the poker room (and lost it). Mansion probably went through a minimal loss by hedging on another site, and geting some money back from hopeless gamblers. I'm sure this site wouldn't even care about the loss they will get from this.

[Rico!]

How much do i get back if they win?

[TempestFox]

You will leave with either $100 or $190.90

[Viscant]

I had no problems getting the money back in Neteller. What exactly was the problem people were having with getting the cashout? I requested a withdraw on Wednesday morning and the money just hit back sometime this morning. Screenshot below: (stars are money going in and money coming back)
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4250/betwwtspaybackuu7.jpg

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[DaFlipMastaXV]

When my friend tries to logon...

Dear Customer,

An error occured while processing your request. You can report this error to our technical team by clicking here.

You can return to the previous page you were on by clicking here.

If you would like any personal assistance, please chat with a Customer Support Representative.

Thank you,

Customer Support
playersupport@sininter.com

Live Support – for immediate assistance

Phone:
Canada/USA 1-800-800-2128
International: 800-7460-7460

*Licensed and Regulated since 1995

And the links don't work...

[Viscant]

If the problem is still going on today, have your friend call tech support. The server went down Monday night/Tuesday morning and when I first went to check the site right after the game, I got that same message. For me, it went away right after. A couple people I talk to on the ITH board said they had to call tech support and it was taken care of within a couple minutes.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[matrix9280]

Take the points.

[Viscant]

You can't take the points in this. The free bet is only if you take the Falcons as a straight bet. Although, if you think the Saints are going to win (or at least cover) you can take the free bet and then put a hedge bet for like $50 on the Saints on another sportsbook (like www.Bodog.com or www.wsex.com ). That way no matter who wins, you make about $45. It's not that much and a little work but free money is free money.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[EndLeSS8]

There was a risk free bet 2 weeks ago, for $1000 on the Steelers game.

I didn't sign up, but a lot of ppl on my car forum signed up. The original was from my friend, via Mansion.com or something.

Either way, Steelers won, and my friend and all the other ppl who signed up won $1000

I thought it was a scam, it wasn't.

[Viscant]

Mansion bet was nuts. I was too late to get in on that one. It was capped at like 5000 people or something. But yeah, what you're seeing on BetWWTS and other sites is just the fallout from that. They all want the same attention that Mansion got. Maybe it's because most people know I gamble for a living, but people were coming up to me on the street and asking me shit about the Mansion offer.

I hope that free bets and stuff becomes the norm in sportsbook promotions, kinda like how poker bonuses are normally "play XX amount of hands to get free money".

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[soup or man]

--Yes they really pay back if the bet loses. Last week a few SRK/IRCers (myself, Chocobo, souporman, martianla) signed up and did the same bet with Steelers/Jaguars. The Steelers decided not to try and got killed. The $100 was back in our accounts by morning.

Yup. Stupid Steelers. No problems gettin' the money back either. Go for it, it's free money. The process is simple with Neteller, but kind of annoying without.

For the record, their live support is super fast and helpful regarding any questions you have concerning the legitimacy of the free bet.

[tape]

Yeah this is legit I did this too and got my money back after fuckin Jaguars owned them.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

There was a risk free bet 2 weeks ago, for $1000 on the Steelers game.

I didn't sign up, but a lot of ppl on my car forum signed up. The original was from my friend, via Mansion.com or something.

Either way, Steelers won, and my friend and all the other ppl who signed up won $1000

I thought it was a scam, it wasn't.so they put down a g and got back a g.....sounds pointless

[Demon Dash]

How does a company proffit from this?

[KrassHole]

We don't trust money making schemes from old marvel legends anymore :encore: :rock: :wasted:



lol

What exactly happened with studio traffic??

I missed out on the news. . .was Duc scamming people ?

[Sp00ky]

By trying to get you to stick with them and bet on other stuff.

[Raz0r]

I joined in. Souporman and Jay are pretty decent betters and I'm going to assume they wouldn't fuck with us.

Can someone help me out? I don't quite understand what they mean by Falcons at -3.5. Wtf does that shit mean?

EDIT: Do I pick risk or win bet? This shit is so confusing.

[EndLeSS8]

so they put down a g and got back a g.....sounds pointless

It was put down a g, then get back 2g's.

They got back their g if the Steeler's lost, but get 2g's if they won.

Everyone got 2g's back.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

It was put down a g, then get back 2g's.

They got back their g if the Steeler's lost, but get 2g's if they won.

Everyone got 2g's back.FKN SWEET DEALS. COUTN ME IN NEGRO I WANT TO GET DEM DEALZ

fucking cap lcosk

[Sp00ky]

"Management reserves the right to pull or alter this promo at any time at their discretion."

Don't bet $100 you don't have.

[NaTSuMi]

Why the hell wasn't there a SRK thread about the 1K bet?!?!

I woulda been all over that.

[Viscant]

Raz0r:
The +/- means how many points you give or get. So like in this case, selecting Falcons -3.5 means that you're hoping that Atlanta wins by 4 points or more. If the final score ends up Falcons 20 - Saints 17, you don't win the bet because of the point spread.

Also, when you're picking, select "straight wager" for Wager Type.
Then select $100 for Risk Amount.
After that it'll spit out a ticket and the amount you win will be slightly less than $100 (this is how the house makes money betting on sports, the ~10% is called the juice or the vig).

After that you're done. Go Falcons, I'm picking them this week anyways even though I'm not in on the deal.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Raz0r]

I did it. Thanks. Here's hoping to victory because this $90 is going towards a new tat.

[NaTSuMi]

is there a site like bonuswhores.com that will let you know when these sport sites are running these promotions?! this thing seems like gold.

[Raz0r]

I think fatwallet.com will keep you updated with the latest gambling trends.

[Dreaded Fist]

I saw this above the ATL-NOR game: "NFL FOOTBALL - 1st Quarter Straight Wagers Only"

What does this mean? That the Falcons have to be winning by 3.5+ pts at the end of the first quarter?

[Viscant]

That section gets filled in closer to game time. Betting on the score on the first half or first quarter. Like if you look at the bets directly above that part in orange, those are bets for the first half of the Sunday games.
It looks like there are no First Half or First Quarter bets being taken on the Saints/Falcons game, at least on my page. On my page the only action being taken on the Saints/Falcons game is the full game bet, which is what you want for the free offer. That's the one you want.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Serpent]

Mansion bet was nuts. I was too late to get in on that one. It was capped at like 5000 people or something. But yeah, what you're seeing on BetWWTS and other sites is just the fallout from that. They all want the same attention that Mansion got. Maybe it's because most people know I gamble for a living, but people were coming up to me on the street and asking me shit about the Mansion offer.

I hope that free bets and stuff becomes the norm in sportsbook promotions, kinda like how poker bonuses are normally "play XX amount of hands to get free money".

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

How the fuck are people coming up to you on the street when you hide at home all day? I thought you only occasionally foraged outside for food, and to be Christine's boy toy.

[Viscant]

Hey, I go outside occasionally. Like right now, I'm out of the house. I may be in someone else's house, but I'm out of the house. Besides, while I'm out foraging for food, everyone knows me and says hi. Something about an unshaven, angry looking guy makes people want to go up and start a conversation.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Lantis]

Is Christine the new cosplayer in Viscant's life? :wgrin:

[Raz0r]

This is the last time I ever listen to Jay.

[KrassHole]

This is the last time I ever listen to Jay.

lol??

[Septimus Prime]

lol??
Falcons are losing, yo.

[Viscant]

Well, that's gambling. Although on the plus side, at least you get the money back. As for me, I actually bet real money on this one. How was I supposed to know that the Falcons weren't going to show up this week. This is almost as shitty as last week's Steelers game.

Anyways, one final note to pass on. Make sure that when you go to withdraw, you add in the bonus money. So like, if you deposited $100 in the account, you'll have $20 in bonus. When you enter the withdrawl amount, ask to withdraw all $120. Then it'll ask if it's OK if you forfeit the $20 in bonus and you'll get your $100 back.
I only throw this in because I heard from a couple people that they did it wrong and have $20 of their money stuck in the site.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Lantis]

Goes to show that you must never trust a "man" who has hot cosplaying sex with psycho women and uses a fleshlight.

[Viscant]

Nothing to not trust. The money will be back in your accounts by morning, just as promised.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[N-Ken]

Yes these things are legit( at least mansion certainly was), twoplustwo had like 3/4 of the MTT community and sports betting forums 1 g richer. Unfortunately I saw it that sunday night:(

[Ouroborus]

This is the last time I ever listen to Jay.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[matrix9280]

You can't take the points in this. The free bet is only if you take the Falcons as a straight bet. Although, if you think the Saints are going to win (or at least cover) you can take the free bet and then put a hedge bet for like $50 on the Saints on another sportsbook (like www.Bodog.com or www.wsex.com ). That way no matter who wins, you make about $45. It's not that much and a little work but free money is free money.

Thanks for the advice man. I appreciated it. $45 to the PS3 fund or porterhouse? Decisions, decisions...

P.S. Here's a betting tip. Don't bet against the home dog. Love the jets this week by the way.

[-KDX-]

Especially this week because the Falcons are almost guaranteed to crush the Saints.

lol, pwned.
good thing this shit was risk free, hahaha...stick to poker.

-KDX-

[Raz0r]

How do I know when the money has been put back? I don't understand shit on gambling sites.

[Chachi]

The fix was in on that game.

[Viscant]

You'll know the money's back when the money is back on the leftmost column under the "my account" section.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[SunocO]

i got my money back and signed up under u viscant. who are you betting on this week? i like minnesota at +1

[ViciousSLASH]

Jay have you noticed each of these games where the bet is guarenteed money the team that is supposed to lose wins ?

THE CURSE OF THE FREE MONEY !!!

I smell some SRK scamming again. Remember Jay had sex with a cosplayer. He can't be trusted.

[Raz0r]

Got my money back sans about $9 because of the transfer. Sad I can't get that tattoo now. :(

[Viscant]

Last week I had action on 10 games. I had...
MIN +3.5 W
CAR -3 L
GB +6.5 W
WAS -4 W
TEN +10.5 W (Betting against Daunte and getting 10.5 points...LOOOOOOOOL, lock of the week)
SF +6 L (WTF was I thinking)
NYG +3.5 L
STL +4.5 W (thank you Kurt Warner)
NE -7 L
ATL -3.5 L


I started out winning 4 of the first 5 and only losing the Carolina game by 1 point after being far ahead for most of the game. Then I only won 1 of the next 5. One of those weeks. It sucks even more to lose the Sunday night AND Monday games because you feel like a loser no matter what happened the rest of the week. Breakeven is OK, but it could have been so much better looking at how we started out.

This week I'll probably do a 10 game slate again. I'm taking...

Colts (-9) over Jets
Chargers (-2.5) over Ravens
Vikings (+1) over Bills
49ers (+7) over Chiefs (here we go again, watch the 9ers blow yet another game for me)
Falcons (-7) over Cardinals
Rams (-6) over Lions
Saints (+7.5) over Panthers (this line CAN'T be right. I usually bet Friday but this line is ridiculous. I put my bet in on this game now before it gets bet down to 3 or so)
Patriots (+6) over Bengals (this game feels close to me, I might parlay it with an under which is sitting at 45.5 right now)
Seahawks (+3.5) over Bears
Packers (+11) over Eagles (too many points)

Other than the Saints game, none of my picks are finalized yet. I usually put in bets on Friday afternoon to make sure I'm straight on injuries/benchings. But the Saints line just looks crazy to me, so I had to grab it now.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[matrix9280]

I mean this with all due respect Viscant but what exactly are you trying to accomplish with picking ten games? Are you trying to go for some mega 10 team parlay or something? Or are you picking the 10 games separately and hoping to break even? Or is it a mixture of the two? Do you pick games for fun or to actually make some money?

Ten games are way too many to pick in my opinion. I think it's better to focus on a handful of games where it's easiest to get a desired outcome which should be a win. None of this over/ under mess. Who the hell has any idea what the final score is going to be anyway? But hey it's your money. Do what you want.

[AmbiguousCrosup]

This thread has taught me way more more about betting than my being a mexican.

[Viscant]

I don't do multi-team parlays or teasers. It's generally too much work. Parlaying some related outcomes with teams is generally +EV though. Like for example, Bengals + over is in theory was a +EV bet. They can't win without trying to outscore the opposition, so...why not? I don't really pick blind, I tend to have a system with rules and I usually don't bet on teams I have an emotional attachment to, like the Raiders, since that's my team. The system spits out some fairly nonsensical picks like the 49ers this week and last. My gut says "WTF!!!" but the system operates at between 52 and 56 percent efficiency so...I just trust it I guess.

One thing to note is, I do this (gambling) for a living. I'm primarily a professional poker player (and if someone asks me what I do for a living, that's what I tell them), but over the past year or so I've made considerably more from online casino whoring and sportsbetting bonuses.
There are two reasons to bet as much as possible. First is to reduce variance. If you operate under the assumption that you are a winner (this is important), you want as many trials as possible since that will give you the greatest chance to profit. For a poker player, you want to play as many hands as possible against weak competition. Will you lose more hands if you play 1000 hands as opposed to 500? Of course. But you will win more also. If you assume you're a winning poker player, you assume you'll win more than you'll lose. The same thing works for sports betting.
The other major factor to note is that I'm playing for a bonus. I do sports betting bonuses, a lot of which have minimum wagering requirements. For example, this week I have to bet a minimum of $2500. It's easier on the mind/soul to have $250 riding on each of 10 games as opposed to $500 on each of 5 games. This also falls under variance to some extent: while statistically 2-8 and 1-4 are the same, it's harder for a winning gambler to go 2-8 than it is for one to go 1-4.

Also since I'm doing bonuses and occasionally playing teams off of each other, breaking even will usually net me a win or a negligible loss. Thanks to the juice or the vig, if you're just playing it straight, breakeven is a ~7%-~10% loss. Like for example last week's 5-5 slate involved a wagering of $3500 (350 per game) and grossed $3593. So breakeven made a little money.
Of course, if the Falcons would have decided to show up, instead of a tiny win the whole thing would have been worth my time.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[matrix9280]

I think that it's flawed logic to compare sports betting to poker. Are they both gambling?Yes, but that's where the comparisons end. In poker you play the hand that you're dealt and that's it. Sure it gets more complicated but everything plays off the hand that you are dealt.

With sports betting (football in particular) there's so many other things to deal with. There's injury reports, weather reports, understanding the lines,and following trends among other things to consider. Of course there's variance.14-16 different games are played each week.You want variance because it gives you choices on how to plan your betting.

I guess where we differ is that you see it (sports betting) through the eyes of a gambler focusing on probabilities and such whereas I go about as an investor doing research to come to a decision on how best to maximize gains. No way is necessarily better than the other. They're just different.