Marvel vs Capcom 1

[ZeroHP]

I'm gonna get the game, so I'm gonna need some advise.
Can you give me the best players to pair up.
example: Ryu and Megaman.

I want info from the best of the best.

[caliagent#3]

do people purposely name the games backwards?? for example i always hear random people refer to cvs2 as SNK vs Capcom 2

[LakeEarth]

I'm gonna get the game, so I'm gonna need some advise.
Can you give me the best players to pair up.
example: Ryu and Megaman.

I want info from the best of the best.

There's a General Strategy board for MvC2. Go there, and make sure you set the history to look back from the beginning since the past month likely had little to no information. If you want to get REALLY good though, I suggest to not bother with the two characters you mentioened. The tiers in MvC2 are pretty strict.

[Lantis]

I think he was referring to MvC *1* :rolleyes:

[jae hoon]

It is actually MvC and we can do without the smart ass comments for once. Either help the guy out or stfu.

[yun-song]

stryder and spider-man

[TempestFox]

Strider/Wolverine/Warmachine

All you need. Learn how to pick Collossus and Psylocke too.

[Dios <-X->]

Strider/Wolverine/Warmachine/RedVenom/GoldWarmachine

All you need. Learn how to pick Collossus , Psylocke, and Miechele Heart too.

There ^-^

[Dark Geese]

Also Tristan check the other games section...go back to the beginning or older stuff and you will find what you seek.I will show you Monday how it works..

:tup:

[ZeroHP]

yeah, mybad. I get things back wards sometimes.

[ZeroHP]

It is actually MvC and we can do without the smart ass comments for once. Either help the guy out or stfu.

Thanx for having my back. All I'm asking is for advise.

[elvis_a_presley]

Strider, War Machine and MegaMan players seem to have the crazy combos happening. Plenty of Venom glitches too. Check out the combovideos tutorial vids. They have heaps of goodies.

My favourite teamup is Spiderman/Zangief followed by Ryu (who can change to Akuma/Ken) with Captain Commando. Although that last teamup is ultra-cheese, and I don't like to use it too often.

[sainthuey]

Man I remember when mvc1 dropped on DC, we played it for like a month then moved on to MvC2. You know you can always just get the emu... nvm:wgrin:

Cheers

[Satomiblood]

Can someone tell me the assist tiers and how you go about selecting them manually?

[Vidness]

I thought double warmachine was the hotness due to 50% block damage dual super.

[jae hoon]

Nothing is hotter then Strider/WM

Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

Ourobos is single handedly the most broken thing in the game.

[Satomiblood]

You've got to wonder how good Strider/WM would've been with Doom AAA had Capcom not toned them down in MVC2.

[4649]

People are neglecting how dirty Venom / Gambit is

go watch NKI Volume 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYy9IGjA1Fg

[jae hoon]

No one is neglecting anything, Strider is just plain stupid broken.

[box]

I prefer Strider/GWM as opposed to Strider/WM

GWM has better matches against other top tier chars like Red Venom or Wolvie then WM.

But yes, Strider is definitely #1.

[ZeroHP]

*playing game*
Really taking Jae Hoon's idea. But I feel it's best for me to use Spiderman & mega man.

[ZeroHP]

Strider, War Machine and MegaMan players seem to have the crazy combos happening. Plenty of Venom glitches too. Check out the combovideos tutorial vids. They have heaps of goodies.

My favourite teamup is Spiderman/Zangief followed by Ryu (who can change to Akuma/Ken) with Captain Commando. Although that last teamup is ultra-cheese, and I don't like to use it too often.

Venom & Megaman: You gotta give it to them

[white shadow]

The game shouldn't be called Marvel vs Capcom but Strider/War Machines vs Wolverine/Red Venom


Red Venom makes me sick... literally.

Stupid dizzying multiple delayed body movements.~:looney:~

[Preppy]

Can someone tell me the assist tiers and how you go about selecting them manually?How to select whatever helper (http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/marvel_vs_capcom_short.txt).

Colossus and Psylocke are top tier (maybe Lou too?). Michelle Heart and Juggernaut are also really useful. Otherwise it's kind of character-dependent - Zangief gets a pretty good boost out of Arthur; Devilot lets you play mean tricks with Chun Li, Strider, or Gambit; Thor/Arthur/Anita can set up Morrigan's Eternal Slumber; blah blah blah.

Since it's unlikely you're going to find MvC1 tourneys, you're probably fine sticking to Colossus/Psylocke/Lou/Michelle...

[coreografo]

lou is the best assist i think ...
some good traps devilot /strider , michelle/megaman ball raps, warmachine/strider duo trap (war destroyer , legion).. spiderman/venom glitch ..
i play gambit/strider

[DeathScythe]

No one is neglecting anything, Strider is just plain stupid broken.


QFT

I was using him since day one of MvC1. Good times with him. I played Strider/CapCom back then. And suprisingly enough, if I were to find a functioning cabinet of this game I'd still play it.

[jae hoon]

I like Psy the best but I played Strider, that shit just wasnt fair.

[ZeroHP]

Heh, what do yall think about the Spiderman & Venom Glitch?

[dog-face]

Yeah, check out the MvC Strats thread.

The EC guys like Sabin know this game inside and out so everything he says about this game should be treated like gospel.

Good luck. You should pick up XvSF too while you;re at it;)

[TrueSephiroth]

Whenever I play this version of Strider...and then I hope onto MvC2 and play that Strider...I just want to cry...seriously, imo, if MvC1 Strider was in MvC2, he would seriously fuck shit up.

Oh, I played Ryu in here, my team was always Ryu with either Strider, Wolverine, Spiderman, or Chunli...MvC1 Ryu was actually solid...does anyone know what the tiers for MvC1 was and if so can you post it here...I don't remember, but wasn't Ryu like Upper or Middle tier in MvC1 at least, he was strong in MvC1 unlike his sorry state MvC2 incarnation.

[ZeroHP]

Yeah, check out the MvC Strats thread.

The EC guys like Sabin know this game inside and out so everything he says about this game should be treated like gospel.

Good luck. You should pick up XvSF too while you;re at it;)

Suuuure... -__-;;

[Lantis]

Ironically, Chun Li and Zangief had their best Vs. incarnation in MvC 1. Too bad they get outclassed SO HORD by the untouchable God tier.

[eks]

i prefer XSF chun over MVC chun easily

[ZeroHP]

i prefer XSF chun over MVC chun easily

(-__-) <-----glomp

[coreografo]

Whenever I play this version of Strider...and then I hope onto MvC2 and play that Strider...I just want to cry...seriously, imo, if MvC1 Strider was in MvC2, he would seriously fuck shit up.
.

sentinel /strider/ doom(clockwork) is a good team for mvc2

[ParryPerson.]

Best assists in MVC1 are Colossus and Psylocke, thats no contest.

[TrueSephiroth]

sentinel /strider/ doom(clockwork) is a good team for mvc2

Yes, I know that Clockwork has the beastly team, however if it was MvC1 Strider paired with Sent/Doom, then it would be even more beastly, just my saying. Also, someone hasn't answered my question of the tier's for this game, I would assume that Strider is #1 with Wolverine and Red Venom up there as well, but what was it actually.

[Donger]

Most teams at high level had two of the following: Strider, War Machine, Red Venom, Wolverine.

[Saotome Kaneda]

If you saw one War Machine, you usually saw a second one on that same team. lol

[Shiro_420]

The basic teir list for MvC goes

1st tier: Strider, Wolverine, Chun Li , War Machine

2nd tier: Red Venom, GWM, Spiderman, Captain Commando, , Venom

3rd tier: Mech Geif, Megaman,Morrigan

If you wan't to ask character specific strats just ask.:wink:

[Bad Recovery]

Venom and red venom?

[Dasrik]

The basic teir list for MvC goes

1st tier: Strider, Wolverine, Chun Li , War Machine

2nd tier: Red Venom, GWM, Spiderman, Captain Commando, , Venom

3rd tier: Mech Geif, Megaman,Morrigan

If you wan't to ask character specific strats just ask.:wink:
Um, no.

God tier is Strider/Wolvy/Gold War Machine/War Machine/Red Venom. That's been known for a long time and nothing's going to change it.

Spider-Man doesn't belong any higher than mid tier. He's got a cheesy gimmick going for him and that's it.

A more accurate 2nd tier would be Chun-Li/Gambit/Hulk/Zangief, and I'll throw in Lilith for good measure.

Commando and Megaman are good, but they ain't all that and a bag of chips. Morrigan is dirt.

Best assists in MVC1 are Colossus and Psylocke, thats no contest.Lou owns them both. He's like a miniature Sentinel assist.

[Adam Warlock]

Um, no.

God tier is Strider/Wolvy/Gold War Machine/War Machine/Red Venom. That's been known for a long time and nothing's going to change it.

Spider-Man doesn't belong any higher than mid tier. He's got a cheesy gimmick going for him and that's it.

A more accurate 2nd tier would be Chun-Li/Gambit/Hulk/Zangief, and I'll throw in Lilith for good measure.

Commando and Megaman are good, but they ain't all that and a bag of chips. Morrigan is dirt.

Lou owns them both. He's like a miniature Sentinel assist.

God damn. I agree with an ENTIRE Dasrik post. Must be a cold day in hell.

Collossus and Psy are good yes, but Lou is ridiculous for block stun and mini-traps. It's been a while but doesn't he actually stop them? Psy I think he does, don't remember about collossus because he comes in at an angle.

To Shiro: Chun is NOT toptier. RV and GWM should be higher and Spiderman, Commando, and Venom shouldn't be anywhere on the same line with them.

Venom & Megaman: You gotta give it to them

Yeah, if you suck. Neither of them touches the top.

[Shiro_420]

Um, no.

God tier is Strider/Wolvy/Gold War Machine/War Machine/Red Venom. That's been known for a long time and nothing's going to change it.

Spider-Man doesn't belong any higher than mid tier. He's got a cheesy gimmick going for him and that's it.

A more accurate 2nd tier would be Chun-Li/Gambit/Hulk/Zangief, and I'll throw in Lilith for good measure.

Commando and Megaman are good, but they ain't all that and a bag of chips. Morrigan is dirt.

Lou owns them both. He's like a miniature Sentinel assist.


I don't think you should leave out Shadow lady in the tier list. She's a hell of alot bette rhtne your giving her credit for. as is chun

Heres some matchs with some oen using Chun in a tournament finals

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=314

Gambit can be a pretty strong charactger maybe 2nd tier.
Or atleast he seemd pretty strong here.
http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=37

[box]

Um, no.

God tier is Strider/Wolvy/Gold War Machine/War Machine/Red Venom. That's been known for a long time and nothing's going to change it.

Spider-Man doesn't belong any higher than mid tier. He's got a cheesy gimmick going for him and that's it.

A more accurate 2nd tier would be Chun-Li/Gambit/Hulk/Zangief, and I'll throw in Lilith for good measure.

Commando and Megaman are good, but they ain't all that and a bag of chips. Morrigan is dirt.

Lou owns them both. He's like a miniature Sentinel assist.

Lou is more like a miniature sabretooth assist. He doesn't have the angle of the drones... unlike colossus assist.

I personally would rather have Michelle Heart. Chips more, homes in, and she works great both for and against GWM.

Lilith on 2nd tier??? What exactly can she do? I would have thought that Morrigan was a better option then Lilith and morrigan isn't exactly too great herself.

Not soo sure about the Hulk either. I know he can get huge damage if he corners himself on the left side... but even that is quite a gimmick. It doesn't work if he's losing, and Hulk doesn't have the catch-up factor. I know Eddie and Arturo owned people back at B5 with Hulk, but Eddie and Arturo ARE MvC1.

[jaded]

I don't think you should leave out Shadow lady in the tier list. She's a hell of alot bette rhtne your giving her credit for. as is chun

Heres some matchs with some oen using Chun in a tournament finals

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=314

Gambit can be a pretty strong charactger maybe 2nd tier.
Or atleast he seemd pretty strong here.
http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=37


Dasrik is right.

i like chun and shadow lady, too, but trust me, the cheese that RV/WM have (infinite galore that is too easy to setup, unlike gambit) along with strider/wolverine/GWM cheese (too fast, crossups too good, too much damage, and GWM owns everyone with duo mode) consist of God tier.

chunli and shadow lady have nothing close to what those 5 have at high levels of play.

I'm sorry if those are you or your friends in those videos, but in short, they suck. wolverine should be either doing d+rh, rh or dash c. jab in their face... chun li should be doing j. air dash xx d+mk, rh, into combo most of the match, and strider should be going for s. fierce, s. rh xx dp a lot more (or start with s. strong, s. forward, s. fierce, s. rh, xx dp)

sabin and eddie days were good haha. think of Magneto in MvC2, but these infinites are harder to mess up than ROM infinite with how well these guys executed (and no break out). you get touched by red venom , say good bye to your first character. then guard break, infinite (no mess ups), good bye. hahahaha so cheezy now that I think about it, but still, it takes a bit of practice.

[Shiro_420]

No no they arnt my friends at all.
This right here is a vid showing them WM cheese you were talking about. I think there might me some wolv cheese. His dash infinite is too much. And strider + the assist that shhots the arrows it to much =/ Lock down

http://godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=416

Also dont be forgetting about Aturo

[jaded]

No no they arnt my friends at all.
This right here is a vid showing them WM cheese you were talking about. I think there might me some wolv cheese. His dash infinite is too much. And strider + the assist that shhots the arrows it to much =/ Lock down

http://godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=416

Also dont be forgetting about Aturo


sabin IS arturo.

wolv 'infinite' isn't that good because a stupid c. jab, c. forward xx qcf+ pp probably does more damage in much less time.

arturo, eddie, and others from NYC all had the infinites down solid... so like the WM you see in that video, but they don't mess up at all. really demoralizing haha


not sure how fun MVC1 is at high levels, to be honest. can get quite frustrating, much moreso than MVC2.

[Shiro_420]

Oh ok makes sences. I didn't know that. any how i think that vid should show case some high level play

[Satomiblood]

When I first played this game 8 years ago, I remember thinking how cool it was that Ryu could switch to Ken and Akuma mode, but that was back when I was a fighting game scrub. To all MVC heads, how good was Ryu in that game and were the mode changes worth it?

[Saotome Kaneda]

I played Art back in the day. Before I came to Chinatown I thought I was pretty good for someone who didn't care about learning the hidden char codes, since in Queens the only peeps that used Red Venom or GWM were peeps what wanted to get Giefed to death with a side of Strider BS.

I stopped taking that game seriously after I played him. Thanks for ruining yet another game for me, Art.



j/k much love nigga

[Shiro_420]

I'd put ryu under chun shadow lady spider-man and gambit.
He's best used with colossus . Its a easy for his super.

Also Hulk as a stand alone character isn't all that bad. He has an infnite ect but I don't tink its practical

Hulk smahs shorw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbzvG0DyC5U

Of corse WM is a dirty whore in MvC but he dose have alot of nice ways of getting into his infinte

War Machine Show III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgT0684R32A

[Lantis]

The thing with Ryu is that none of his changes have decent normals to compete against rushdown or even an effective counter to most of the BS some of the top tier characters can throw at you. I have even heard some reports that most players actually prefer to play with Ryu sans changes.

Sure, his style switch can account for some antics, but that's about. Bottom line is that despite being 3-Shotos-in-1, Shotos aren't really that good in the Versus series to begin with.

[box]

When I first played this game 8 years ago, I remember thinking how cool it was that Ryu could switch to Ken and Akuma mode, but that was back when I was a fighting game scrub. To all MVC heads, how good was Ryu in that game and were the mode changes worth it?

I think Ryu's best mode was Ken-form. In Ken form, he could do launcher, SJ jab, SJ short, roundhouse hurricane kick. For some reason the hurricane kick damage didn't scale and it did more damage then it should have done. It only works in Ken form though and not in akuma/Ryu mode.

But even with the glitch, he's still mid-tier at best.

This glitch still exists for Ken in MvC2. It wasn't in XSF or MvsSF.

[Shiro_420]

The thing with Ryu is that none of his changes have decent normals to compete against rushdown or even an effective counter to most of the BS some of the top tier characters can throw at you. I have even heard some reports that most players actually prefer to play with Ryu sans changes.

Sure, his style switch can account for some antics, but that's about. Bottom line is that despite being 3-Shotos-in-1, Shotos aren't really that good in the Versus series to begin with.

Thats worng. Ryu is pretty good in XvS and can stand up to some rush downs. He's Secound tier in xvs.

[Lantis]

Thats worng. Ryu is pretty good in XvS and can stand up to some rush downs. He's Secound tier in xvs.

Eh, I kinda lose track in that "Everyone has an infinite!" festival called XSF. :looney:

[Shiro_420]

Eh, I kinda lose track in that "Everyone has an infinite!" festival called XSF. :looney:

Pretty much. But you can play no basic infnites. Then again this is a mvc thread not a xvs one

[Adam Warlock]

Thats worng. Ryu is pretty good in XvS and can stand up to some rush downs. He's Secound tier in xvs.

No he's not. he's "pretty good" by the same fact that everyone else is "pretty good" X-men VS SF is nearly a first hit wins game. Ryu is 4th tier, maybe 3rd tier at best. Storm is in a class by herself in the god tier.

[ZeroHP]

I think Ryu's best mode was Ken-form. In Ken form, he could do launcher, SJ jab, SJ short, roundhouse hurricane kick. For some reason the hurricane kick damage didn't scale and it did more damage then it should have done. It only works in Ken form though and not in akuma/Ryu mode.

But even with the glitch, he's still mid-tier at best.

This glitch still exists for Ken in MvC2. It wasn't in XSF or MvsSF.

hmmm....yeah

[Shiro_420]

No he's not. he's "pretty good" by the same fact that everyone else is "pretty good" X-men VS SF is nearly a first hit wins game. Ryu is 4th tier, maybe 3rd tier at best. Storm is in a class by herself in the god tier.

No your worng check out the xvs thread. Tiers have been talked about many times. If your not some oen who goes to tournaments alot or know alot about the game then you wouldn't know the proper tiers.

X-men vs street fighter tiers:

God tier :Storm
Top: Magneto, Cyclops, Chun-li
2nd: Wolv, Charlie, Gambit, Saber,Ryu
3rd: Rouge, Cammy, Ken, Akuma
4th: Geif, Bision, Dhalsm, Juggernaut

If you needs Vids to prove these tiers I'll be mor ehten happy to show you. An if you wanna show up at T8 next year to prove me worng on the Tiers I'lll be more then happy to bet cha :wink:

Also check out the X-men vs street fighrer thread
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2899827&highlight=tiers#post2899827

Thats where we talked about tiers. I don't think any thing else needs ot be added.:rolleyes:

[box]

No your worng check out the xvs thread. Tiers have been talked about many times. If your not some oen who goes to tournaments alot or know alot about the game then you wouldn't know the proper tiers.

X-men vs street fighter tiers:

God tier :Storm
Top: Magneto, Cyclops, Chun-li
2nd: Wolv, Charlie, Gambit, Saber,Ryu
3rd: Rouge, Cammy, Ken, Akuma
4th: Geif, Bision, Dhalsm, Juggernaut

If you needs Vids to prove these tiers I'll be mor ehten happy to show you. An if you wanna show up at T8 next year to prove me worng on the Tiers I'lll be more then happy to bet cha :wink:

Also check out the X-men vs street fighrer thread
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2899827&highlight=tiers#post2899827

Thats where we talked about tiers. I don't think any thing else needs ot be added.:rolleyes:


I think it's just the numbering scheme. God tier = 1st. Top tier = 2nd. 2nd = 3rd...

Ryu was pretty good in MvsSF. Either bottom of 2nd tier... or top of 3rd tier.

I think the conclusion that everyone can agree with is that no shoto character was ever in the top tier for a vs game ever.

[Shiro_420]

I think it's just the numbering scheme. God tier = 1st. Top tier = 2nd. 2nd = 3rd...

Ryu was pretty good in MvsSF. Either bottom of 2nd tier... or top of 3rd tier.

I think the conclusion that everyone can agree with is that no shoto character was ever in the top tier for a vs game ever.

Yep sadly thats ture. Its like alot of the characters in MvC2.
You want a character like spider-man to be good or Wlve but in that game their just trash.

For Vs series Marvel pretty much held the top 4 spots for most of the games over all. The most balance game in the Vs series is probly Marvel super heros vs Street ifghter. But it has its bugs as well.

[Adam Warlock]

No your worng check out the xvs thread. Tiers have been talked about many times. If your not some oen who goes to tournaments alot or know alot about the game then you wouldn't know the proper tiers.

X-men vs street fighter tiers:

God tier :Storm
Top: Magneto, Cyclops, Chun-li
2nd: Wolv, Charlie, Gambit, Saber,Ryu
3rd: Rouge, Cammy, Ken, Akuma
4th: Geif, Bision, Dhalsm, Juggernaut

If you needs Vids to prove these tiers I'll be mor ehten happy to show you. An if you wanna show up at T8 next year to prove me worng on the Tiers I'lll be more then happy to bet cha :wink:

Also check out the X-men vs street fighrer thread
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2899827&highlight=tiers#post2899827

Thats where we talked about tiers. I don't think any thing else needs ot be added.:rolleyes:



Second, I was playing this game when it was out and actually popular, not 10 years later with a handful of people across the world. Goes to tournaments? THERE ARE NO MORE TOURNAMENTS. Everything for this game now is glorified casuals. Thanks for that wonderfully useless tip.

Third, from the EXACT POST YOU LINKED ME TO:
God tier: Storm
Top: Cyke, Chun, Mag, Wolv
2nd: Rogue, Gambit, Charlie, Sabre
3rd: Ryu, Gief, Sim, Akuma
Bottom: Bison, Ken, Cammy, Juggs


What the fuck does it say for Ryu? 3RD. Count the god tier and he's in the fourth tier. This isn't rocket science. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you posted all that previous wrong shit, but the fact that you linked to a post that proves my point instead of yours lets me know you're just stupid. Every post you make is some wack nonsense with a random video to "prove" your point. I don;t give a fuck if you're the Justin Wong of XvsSF, you're still a vid scrub.

Here's the point where you come in and drop a random reference to a top player you know nothing about to make yourself look better.

"Also dont be forgetting about Aturo!"

[Shiro_420]

First fuck you and your elitist attitude you, whiny bitch. Take those smileys and eat a dick with them.

Second, I was playing this game when it was out and actually popular, not 10 years later with a handful of people across the world. Goes to tournaments? THERE ARE NO MORE TOURNAMENTS. Everything for this game now is glorified casuals. Thanks for that wonderfully useless tip.

Third, from the EXACT POST YOU LINKED ME TO:


What the fuck does it say for Ryu? 3RD. Count the god tier and he's in the fourth tier. This isn't rocket science. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you posted all that previous wrong shit, but the fact that you linked to a post that proves my point instead of yours lets me know you're just stupid. Every post you make is some wack nonsense with a random video to "prove" your point. I don;t give a fuck if you're the Justin Wong of XvsSF, you're still a vid scrub.

Here's the point where you come in and drop a random reference to a top player you know nothing about to make yourself look better.

"Also dont be forgetting about Aturo!"


FIrst off stop typing tuff like your about to kick some ones ass. :rofl:
Secound there IS tournaments you idiot. EVO hello? T8 (when em and joker host it)Edmoton,Australia oh and theres one comming up around december or Jan.
An I don't give a fuck what you be caring about. you can go an post "says in nerdy voice" "i dont give a fuck bla bla bla" because it dosn't count for shit. I'd LOVE:lovin: to see you do that to mmy face at T8 and thats about all i have to say about you buds.

Also the videos I've posted where just match vids showing people play so the guy who's trying to get an idea on strong teams can learn from them. So like I said type tuff all ya want buddy. I aint gonna sit her ein a lil flame war with ya. :rofl:

Also just because Dogface said that he's not in the secoudn tier dosnt mean that he isn't. Perhaps if you actually read threw that thread you'd see why Ryu makes a strong 2nd teir character.

My tier list would be

1. Wolv, Chun, Cyc, Storm

2. Sabre, Mag, Charlie, Gambit, V1 Ryu

3. Akuma, Rogue, V2 Ryu

4. Sim, Jugg, Gief, Cammy

5. Ken

6. Bison

Also I didn't mean to come off as elitist I just know my shit better then you do buddy. So put that in your pipe an pufff :rofl:

Oh just to be an asshole I'll add a Money match me in XvS at T8 and then Fist fight me right after =)

[Dasrik]

Lou's flames give him the overhead angle that makes him comparable to Sentinel. And he can stop Colossus, although I would't rely on him for that.

As for Lilith, it's because her chip is great in duos. As a character in and of herself, she has good normals like Morrigan does, worse damage potential. But the chip makes her worth it.

Shadow Lady is not very good. Trust me, she's one of my characters. Her missile crap doesn't make up for her lack of a good combo.

[Shiro_420]

Lou's flames give him the overhead angle that makes him comparable to Sentinel. And he can stop Colossus, although I would't rely on him for that.

As for Lilith, it's because her chip is great in duos. As a character in and of herself, she has good normals like Morrigan does, worse damage potential. But the chip makes her worth it.

Shadow Lady is not very good. Trust me, she's one of my characters. Her missile crap doesn't make up for her lack of a good combo.

Agreed Lou is good for strider for a lock down game

[T-Kimura]

this game is pretty trashy but all you have to do is:

pick collosus helper. col is the best helper in the game, don't believe the hype about psylocke or lou and shit.. those are all trash gimmick helpers. psylocke is only good with strider, psylocke doesn't even connect fully half of the time if you do manage to hit someone with it. collosus is the only good helper, he is your anti air. once you snuff someone with col go for infinite or super for some crazy damage.(damage is fucked up in this game compared to other vs. games.)


choose wm/strider.
keep wm on point.
learn wm infinite/uncombo's/knee press refly(once you know these you can easily peace out the entire team)
learn strider orb uncombos
jump hp with strider and build meter a lot
build meter with wm quickly by flying and canceling hp's with air dash u+b
always duo when you have 3 meters for a long, painful duo with war destroyer+orbs+legion.
oh yeah, in corner when you kill someone with wm go for his flying guard break(fly, up+hp, air dash u+f, up+hp(they might pushblock so pause a little) then infinite til death and bam, whole team is peaced out, this gb can even be unblockable if set up right)
no one can do anything about this guard break. you eat it, you die. you push it, you die. you block it, you die.

presto, you're pro at mvc1.

once you know that team, you can move on to wm/gwm, that team is also very strong as long as your wm is strong and doesn't die and you duo right. just cause gwm can't block doesn't mean he sucks, by the way. he's a monster.

these two teams are the best teams in mvc1 imo.

[Shiro_420]

Truth!!

[Adam Warlock]

FIrst off stop typing tuff like your about to kick some ones ass. :rofl:

Whooping your ass wouldn't do any good; it's apparent that you're already brain-damaged. It's like your mom gave birth squatting over titanium. Stupid on this level doesn't happen without some sort of outside intervention.

Secound there IS tournaments you idiot.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle dumb. Take a few seconds and let the irony sink in until it hits you like the dumptruck you were conceived in.

EVO hello?
You mean the side-tourney boasting a lower attendance than you in English class?

T8 (when em and joker host it)Edmoton,Australia oh and theres one comming up around december or Jan.
Oh shit! A tournament in Australia? My bad, the scene is definitely alive and kicking. Excuse me a moment while I go grab three of my friends and create a scene for karate champ.

An I don't give a fuck what you be caring about.

Heh. It's like you went to "how to be Black" school and failed that too. Shut yo' Mushmouth ass up.


you can go an post "says in nerdy voice" "i dont give a fuck bla bla bla"
I'm pretty sure you just cornered that market one quote up from this one. You're basically telling me not to be like you. Well, that's a good piece of advice to anyone, but you won't have to worry about that with me. I can't stomach the taste of bleach.



because it dosn't count for shit. I'd LOVE:lovin: to see you do that to mmy face at T8 and thats about all i have to say about you buds.

And yet you continued to type more shit. It's like your brain and your body got a divorce and your ass got custody of your fingers.


Also the videos I've posted where just match vids showing people play so the guy who's trying to get an idea on strong teams can learn from them.

Because you know, the best way for people to learn is to feed them bullshit.

So like I said type tuff all ya want buddy. I aint gonna sit her ein a lil flame war with ya. :rofl:

Which explains why you called me an idiot

Also just because Dogface said that he's not in the secoudn tier dosnt mean that he isn't.

I'll bet you don't even realize what makes you stupid for typing this. Just because YOU say he is, doesn't mean he IS. You're also retarded for arguing ith me and linking to the post that proves my point. Johnny Cochran couldn't defend that dumb shit.


Perhaps if you actually read threw that thread you'd see why Ryu makes a strong 2nd teir character.


I read the thread. I have been reading it for a long time now. The thread isn't your girl; not everyone that sees it posts up on it.


Also I didn't mean to come off as elitist I just know my shit better then you do buddy.
Obviously. Which explains why everyone has been correcting you like a four year old with a speech impediment.


So put that in your pipe an pufff :rofl:

Oh just to be an asshole I'll add a Money match me in XvS at T8 and then Fist fight me right after =)

No, you fly to Disney World and money match me and then we can Mexican knife dance right after! Internet: serious E-thug business!

[WasFemto]

And yet you continued to type more shit. It's like your brain and your body got a divorce and your ass got custody of your fingers.







:rofl: :clap:


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[jae hoon]

This shit isnt GD, either get back to actual discussion or this shit will end with a quickness.

[Shiro_420]

THis man is funny E-thung Im'a leave off on this note. I'll be at T8 if you there then we can see whats good. An I am trying to be black? Just funny You cant try to be something you already are. But any ways I'm dune with this thread, this nigga is garbage. Point blank prove me worng on xvs T8 holla

[Dasrik]

pick collosus helper. col is the best helper in the game, don't believe the hype about psylocke or lou and shit.. those are all trash gimmick helpers.
Uh, no. Colossus is the gimmick helper. If you get hit, you can roll out of it almost every time. Lou can be called eight times, occupies a lot of space and helps with rushdown. Colossus is for shitty turtles that get baited by double jumps every time.

You're right about everything else; however, all the stuff you posted is just supplemented 50 times more by Lou than Colossus.

[xX_Deus_Xx]

uncombo

wtf is an uncombo?

[KillerKai]

The hurricane glitch does work for Akuma and Ryu actually. You'll just never connect them because there's literally no way to combo into Ryu's even in the corner unless they sit around and get hit by a random Devilot assist in the corner and Akuma's dash is so fucking slow.

[Dasrik]

wtf is an uncombo?
An attack that can't be blocked, but doesn't count towards the combo meter (and thus resets damage). MvC1 is full of them:

*War Machine's "infinite", and up+fierce into strong shoulder cannon
*Strider's air combo into DP
*Gambit's s.strong in the middle of the infinite to reset damage
*Chun-Li's AC into air demon
*Hulk's corner throw into Gamma Quake

Just off the top of my head.

[T-Kimura]

Uh, no. Colossus is the gimmick helper. If you get hit, you can roll out of it almost every time.

nah, col is definitely the best helper in the game. and you cannot roll that shit every time you get hit with it. you can follow up with collosus 99% of the time, there are some situations where i've seen people roll from col but it's very rare, it seems to notg a lot of the time or something.

what are the advantages of lou? he sucks. wow his flames do good damage and uncombo, but how does anyone get baited by that shit? and what are you going to follow up with when you make a hit with lou? col is the best helper to follow up with.

[Sabin]

wow, how'd a mvc1 thread get up to 4 pages in fgd so quick?

btw, imo psy assist -> colussus assist, because like dasrik said, you can roll out of it every time in most situations in the game that will actually matter. granted, colossus is good for specific characters in certain situations, like wolvie trying to do rh divekick vs you in the corner, or vs any chun user...(MAYBE WM user (that is, if theyre fucking sloppy as hell...)but other than that, psylocke is the best b/c of the pressure options you have after, sure it might not combo on hit always but 90% of the time against a top player youll never hit them with colossus i n a situation where you can kill them anyway.

aside from all that, colossus assist sucks on block compared to psylocke, obviously...

[ZeroHP]

This shit isnt GD, either get back to actual discussion or this shit will end with a quickness.

agreed.

[Dasrik]

nah, col is definitely the best helper in the game. and you cannot roll that shit every time you get hit with it. you can follow up with collosus 99% of the time, there are some situations where i've seen people roll from col but it's very rare, it seems to notg a lot of the time or something.
Nah, it's actually fairly easy to roll out. I can do it and I suck at reaction time.

what are the advantages of lou? he sucks. wow his flames do good damage and uncombo, but how does anyone get baited by that shit? and what are you going to follow up with when you make a hit with lou? col is the best helper to follow up with.
Screw followups, Lou is the best space occupier in the game. He basically forces the other guy to superjump every time you call him. If you want followups, go ahead and pick Colossus, though supers usually do shit damage after one.

[Ducky]

Nah, it's actually fairly easy to roll out. I can do it and I suck at reaction time.


Screw followups, Lou is the best space occupier in the game. He basically forces the other guy to superjump every time you call him. If you want followups, go ahead and pick Colossus, though supers usually do shit damage after one.

I used Psy instead of Colossus and most of the follow ups that I could do with Colossus were done better with Psy. Colossus does come down at an angle, which is nice sometimes, but I think Psy is a lot more solid as an helper.

Lou is really good too... haven't played the game in forever but I remember a lot of Lou in rushdown teams.

[V040488V]

Hows the uncombo work? Ive been wondering for a while how lenient it is. Is it really loose where something like Gambit air chaining to strong, then throwing strong card and countinuing on to the ground is possible? Or is it only possible with throws and attacks that are supposed to combo but dont, like the opponent is still stunned.

[box]

Hows the uncombo work? Ive been wondering for a while how lenient it is. Is it really loose where something like Gambit air chaining to strong, then throwing strong card and countinuing on to the ground is possible? Or is it only possible with throws and attacks that are supposed to combo but dont, like the opponent is still stunned.

I never really knew about the uncombo with Gambit. I just tend to continue the infinite, then launch into royal flush.

But for Strider's air-ghram uncombo, it's fairly lenient. Just do launch, jab, short, strong, forward, jab-ghram (dp+jab). Very lenient on timing.

[V040488V]

Well, I dont know if the Gambit air combo to kinetic card is an uncombo, I have no way of testing it. Im wondering how the uncombo glitch system works. Im wondering if its so lenient that everyone in the game can uncombo with unblockability if they hit soon enough after the last strike or if the opponent has to actually be in stun but the combo meter stops counting. You know, like an unacknowledged link or chain type deal.

[ZeroHP]

Well, I dont know if the Gambit air combo to kinetic card is an uncombo, I have no way of testing it. Im wondering how the uncombo glitch system works. Im wondering if its so lenient that everyone in the game can uncombo with unblockability if they hit soon enough after the last strike or if the opponent has to actually be in stun but the combo meter stops counting. You know, like an unacknowledged link or chain type deal.

Maybe, maybe not. Some stuff like that works with certain characters. For me in my opinion (no insults)
Strider and Wolverine. Chun Li and Ryu. Spiderman and Gambit. Just saying in my POV.

[shadowcharlie]

its all about shadow assist =D

[Saotome Kaneda]

I never really knew about the uncombo with Gambit. I just tend to continue the infinite, then launch into royal flush.

But for Strider's air-ghram uncombo, it's fairly lenient. Just do launch, jab, short, strong, forward, jab-ghram (dp+jab). Very lenient on timing.
I thought it didn't matter which punch you used for grham? I always used fierce and it always uncomboed for me. Maybe it's the rust talking since I haven't touched it in about 6 years...

[Dasrik]

Yeah, all of Strider's Ghrams are the same, only the kick ones have him crouch.

[?AC]

i was wondering what makes RV top tier i know he has some easy infinite setups but if he gets hit by one super that basically almost all his lifegone

[Dasrik]

Sabin could tell you better since he plays Red Venom and I don't. But the rough version is you won't get the chance to hit him. His walk speed is crazy and his power, range and speed are simply unfair. And just to make things completely shitty, he has a very good throw game to boot. The infinites are just icing on the cake.

[Alucard20]

rv has the best THROW IN THE GAME.

T-k is right about the best team in the game being wm and strider. About this game being trash? I don't agree at ALL.Not saying it's over mvsc2( cuz it isn't), But it's fun as hell as long as u have someone to fight online with.

Top tier
Strider-orbs,air reset, the ablilty to combo into all 3 of his supers in a corner
wolvie-best rush down character ,resets , infinites and nice corner otg's
wm-infinites own all
spidey-cross up king
chun-li -air reset super. nuff said

med
Gambit-otg king(alot of unrollable ones)
capcom -good keep away,has the ability to combo into 2 of his supers
venom-one of the best throws in the game. throw+super ownz.
Hulk-very strong,good corner combos.
RYu-has a infinite in ken mode,does good damage.
Megaman-has the ability to combo into 2 of his supers. good keep away
Captain america-best standing hp,final justice take good damage

low tier
jin- Good power,can do nice combos, ok speed
zangief-has unblockable throws(just hard to get in)
morrigan-could super off of psy or col





Best team
Strider/wm- infinites, resets,DUO spam Can take up to 50% of your life.

Strider/wolvie -infinite(wolvie) resets(wolvie has one of the best reset),strider has a easy air reset, orbs is the best super in the game.

strider/spidey - spidey the cross up king,can do good chip in duo(but can be easier to jump out of the way)Stider air reset is easy, orbs the best super in the game.



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wm/gwm- GWM ownz spidey,infinites ownz all.Duo chip is the best in the game.
But mm and capcom could counter their duo spamming with captain sword(cc)
or rush drill(mm) but captain sword is best.


Here's a old combo video of the game

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=288

use internetexplorer

[Mystic_bash]

Oh shit! A tournament in Australia? My bad, the scene is definitely alive and kicking. Excuse me a moment while I go grab three of my friends and create a scene for karate champ.
:rofl:
Were infinites banned in competitive play?

[box]

Alucard - Spider-man is not top tier.

Also, I'm not too convinced on Lou being the best assist. Lou doesn't work at all against Red Venom, GWM, and possibly WM (i think). Against other top tier characters, I think Psylocke is a little bit more reliable.

[Alucard20]

Alucard - Spider-man is not top tier.

Also, I'm not too convinced on Lou being the best assist. Lou doesn't work at all against Red Venom, GWM, and possibly WM (i think). Against other top tier characters, I think Psylocke is a little bit more reliable.


Spidey IS top tier, period.His cross up's make him the best cross up character in the game.Also, he has good match up with everyone but gwm.And another thing, his web ball can stop strider orbs.

I know what i'm talkin about box,i've been playing this game for over 3 years. You can't tell me who is and isn't top tier.



Btw if u don't think spidey is top tier look @ this toruney

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=416

And watch how chicken power egg roll playz spidey.


Edit:Colossus is the best helper in the game.

[ZeroHP]

rv has the best THROW IN THE GAME.

T-k is right about the best team in the game being wm and strider. About this game being trash? I don't agree at ALL.Not saying it's over mvsc2( cuz it isn't), But it's fun as hell as long as u have someone to fight online with.

Top tier
Strider-orbs,air reset, the ablilty to combo into all 3 of his supers in a corner
wolvie-best rush down character ,resets , infinites and nice corner otg's
wm-infinites own all
spidey-cross up king
chun-li -air reset super. nuff said

med
Gambit-otg king(alot of unrollable ones)
capcom -good keep away,has the ability to combo into 2 of his supers
venom-one of the best throws in the game. throw+super ownz.
Hulk-very strong,good corner combos.
RYu-has a infinite in ken mode,does good damage.
Megaman-has the ability to combo into 2 of his supers. good keep away
Captain america-best standing hp,final justice take good damage

low tier
jin- Good power,can do nice combos, ok speed
zangief-has unblockable throws(just hard to get in)
morrigan-could super off of psy or col





Best team
Strider/wm- infinites, resets,DUO spam Can take up to 50% of your life.

Strider/wolvie -infinite(wolvie) resets(wolvie has one of the best reset),strider has a easy air reset, orbs is the best super in the game.

strider/spidey - spidey the cross up king,can do good chip in duo(but can be easier to jump out of the way)Stider air reset is easy, orbs the best super in the game.



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wm/gwm- GWM ownz spidey,infinites ownz all.Duo chip is the best in the game.
But mm and capcom could counter their duo spamming with captain sword(cc)
or rush drill(mm) but captain sword is best.


Here's a old combo video of the game

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/gamePlayer.php?id=288

use internetexplorer


Oh, my god! Took the words right outta my mouth!! No fair. But the video goes hard core.

[Dasrik]

I know what i'm talkin about box,i've been playing this game for over 3 years. You can't tell me who is and isn't top tier.Three years? That would be impressive if the three year period is 2000-2003, but if you mean from 2003 to now, you've been playing a dead game for three years. And it's easy to say "I'm a winner so I know what's best" on a game no one plays anymore. But I'll cut you a break and just tell you why Spidey is not top tier.

Spidey has one really good trick, the air combo after crossup, and in order to get that, he has to hit you. And he can't do that well. MvC1 has really crappy blocking properties, so Spidey's multi-hit jump-ins that work so well for him in other games don't work at all here. And he has a bad dash, so he can't really come in from the ground. Mid tier at best.

The top tier is established and has been for a long time. Strider/Red Venom/War Machine/Gold War Machine/Wolverine. It's not gonna change. Ask people that actually played in tournaments when the game was hot, not three years after the fact. No offense, just the facts :)

Oh, and as an addendum, the top tier with the possible exception of Wolverine all beat Spidey clean:
Strider - Spidey really can't do anything to a Strider who turtles and judiciously uses orbs
Red Venom - Straight up loss. Spidey cannot touch RV.
War Machine - Spidey can't do anything to runaway WM
Gold War Machine - Can't damage him, doesn't have a scrubbalicious "random beam super" strategy
Wolverine - Not a bad match, but I'd still give Wolverine the win since he can win without tricks

p.s. Lou is the best helper. :lovin:

p.p.s. Your link didn't work :(

[Alucard20]

Three years? That would be impressive if the three year period is 2000-2003, but if you mean from 2003 to now, you've been playing a dead game for three years. And it's easy to say "I'm a winner so I know what's best" on a game no one plays anymore. But I'll cut you a break and just tell you why Spidey is not top tier.

Spidey has one really good trick, the air combo after crossup, and in order to get that, he has to hit you. And he can't do that well. MvC1 has really crappy blocking properties, so Spidey's multi-hit jump-ins that work so well for him in other games don't work at all here. And he has a bad dash, so he can't really come in from the ground. Mid tier at best.

The top tier is established and has been for a long time. Strider/Red Venom/War Machine/Gold War Machine/Wolverine. It's not gonna change. Ask people that actually played in tournaments when the game was hot, not three years after the fact. No offense, just the facts :)

Oh, and as an addendum, the top tier with the possible exception of Wolverine all beat Spidey clean:
Strider - Spidey really can't do anything to a Strider who turtles and judiciously uses orbs
Red Venom - Straight up loss. Spidey cannot touch RV.
War Machine - Spidey can't do anything to runaway WM
Gold War Machine - Can't damage him, doesn't have a scrubbalicious "random beam super" strategy
Wolverine - Not a bad match, but I'd still give Wolverine the win since he can win without tricks

p.s. Lou is the best helper. :lovin:

p.p.s. Your link didn't work :(




First of all, the game isn't dead.The game is played on kaillera all the time on godweapon.And yes i started in 2003, so what.



I'm not going to explain why spidey is top tier(i don't like to repeat myself).


As far as the link not workin.What browser are u using?Use INTERNET EXPLORER ONLY.

If it's still not workin(works for me)



Open up internet explorer >google >Godweapon

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/alucardxxx/step1.jpg

After that u should see "Godweapon.net - Combo Videos, Game Videos, Tournament Videos"

click on that( the first link).




click on the perfect picture to watch the tourney

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/alucardxxx/mvsctourney.jpg

[box]

First of all, the game isn't dead.The game is played on kaillera all the time on godweapon.And yes i started in 2003, so what.


Kailerra?? 2003???

You have lost all credibility.

Next.

[Alucard20]

Kailerra?? 2003???

You have lost all credibility.

Next.


Lmao @ next

Wow, did you even watch the tourney?Or are you too arrogant to even check it out?Judging from your "next" comment... i would say your a arrogant asshole and u didn't watch the tourney.



So what if i started to play in 2003? Are u saying know one was good back then?Are u trying to say i suck?If that 's the case, hop your ass on kaillera or stfu trying to tell me who's top and who's not.

[box]

So what if i started to play in 2003? Are u saying know one was good back then?Are u trying to say i suck?If that 's the case, hop your ass on kaillera or stfu trying to tell me who's top and who's not.

I don't play Kaillera cause people who play MvC on Kaillera and think it's the real thing are scrubs.

Next.

[OriginaL_DA]

Colossus and Psylocke are top tier (maybe Lou too?)

lou does amazing things.

strider/spidey/lou for life.

[Alucard20]

I don't play Kaillera cause people who play MvC on Kaillera and think it's the real thing are scrubs.

Next.


Lmao

As i thought. Your stupid ass didn't look at the tourney.lol


As far as mvsc being different online?I never said it's the samething as playing offline, nor did i ever think it was.So plz don't think... KNOW, wtf your talkin about.

[Dasrik]

I don't play Kaillera cause people who play MvC on Kaillera and think it's the real thing are scrubs.

Next.
QFT.

This seems to happen particularly badly with MvC1 threads. It's like they never got hit by a Double War Machine duo in their life.

Alucard20: I have IE. The site just seems to suck. Upload it on YouTube or something.

[Preppy]

lou does amazing things.The first hundred times I got hit by his flames I cried.

I watched all 44 minutes of the tourney: it's not really particularly impressive to me (I'm mid-tier at best) - relatively poor blocking and non-smart play abounds (lots of sitting there just taking it during the team hyper, no infinites/extended combos that I noticed other than WMs, people not going for the guaranteed kills and instead whoring the team hyper to excess, etc). Unfortunately, I don't know how much great MvC1 footage there is out there - the early Vs series didn't really get filmed too much from what I know. I'd love to have someone find a trove of great EC/WC footage: it'd be nice to see Shadow Lady or Lilith played by an expert.

I've been digging through the footage I've downloaded over the years: I don't see a hell of a lot. I may put up some just for Alucard's comparison, at the least.

EDIT: Direct link to Alucard's tourney footage (http://www.godweapon.net/user_data/Vids/bv/mvc/PE3.wmv)

[Alucard20]

thx preppy

here's alink to look @ more tourneys if u want.

http://www.godweapon.net/comboVids/dspVideoList.php?id=2&order=most_viewed&perpage=12


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As far as spidey being top tier? Believe what ya will. We all have our opinions and i have mine.

[Shiro_420]

:rofl:
Were infinites banned in competitive play?

Nooope
MegamanDS vs Dogface Evo 2k5 finals
http://youtube.com/watch?v=84Tdq_LW86I

XvS is the one game so fucking broken with 200% infinites that its unplayable. Unless you imply a no basic infinite rule you wont be able to play the game with any really interesting matches :sad:

[Spider-Dan]

Whenever I play this version of Strider...and then I hope onto MvC2 and play that Strider...I just want to cry...seriously, imo, if MvC1 Strider was in MvC2, he would seriously fuck shit up.
MVC1 Strider would get smashed all day long in MVC2. Let's look at the rundown...

MVC1 Strider gets:
- Safe Legion that can be followed up... uhh, worthless? Maybe for DHC in, but why not DHC to orbs instead?
- Ground chain... not relevant, since without s.fwd a lot of his ground priority is gone (not that people spend any significant amount of time playing footsies in MVC2 anyway)
- air uncombo to Ghram... useful, but doesn't change any strategy

MVC1 Strider loses:
- much faster tigers/birds... seriously, throwing the animals in MVC1 after playing MVC2 is a complete waste of time. I'd argue that from a strategic standpoint, this already outweighs everything he'd gain, but that's unnecessary, because...
- ability to block/attack after punch teleport... G f*cking G on that.

this game is pretty trashy but all you have to do is:

pick collosus helper. col is the best helper in the game, don't believe the hype about psylocke or lou and shit.. those are all trash gimmick helpers. psylocke is only good with strider, psylocke doesn't even connect fully half of the time if you do manage to hit someone with it. collosus is the only good helper, he is your anti air. once you snuff someone with col go for infinite or super for some crazy damage.(damage is fucked up in this game compared to other vs. games.)
Colossus is essentially irrelevant in any match that matters. From a strategic standpoint, Psylocke is essentially the-same-but-better; supers aren't (as) guaranteed after Psylocke, but that's not why you pick your assist if you have the slightest clue on how to play this game.

Besides, if your opponent picks RV, you basically have three options:

1) pick GWM
2) pick Psylocke assist
3) lose

And GWM doesn't need Colossus to beat RV, but his partner will need Psylocke to stay alive should he wind up on point vs. RV. RV absolutely steamrolls any non-GWM character with Colossus assist (either Venom will roll out of Colossus every time). So Colossus is marginalized.

For the record, I usually pick Colossus assist with double Venom because (given my character choice) I don't need Psylocke and the threat of Colossus tends to cut down on people doing random, stupid stuff to land The One Magic Hit on RV, plus Colossus is actually a really good assist for normal Venom (it precisely covers his primary weak spot). But no one should be playing normal Venom anyway, so that's not really relevant.

[Sabin]

Alucard20: damn, if you think Spidey and Chun are top tier, you guys on Kaillera must be playing a different game...none of the pixie chars can be top tier without a duo in this game or some broken attribute (wolvie has some form of duo, strider is obvious, orbs + duo, and RV has broken speed, range, infiinites)

Dasrik coined in a nutshell why RV is top..

old mvc1 thread, lots of goodness in here and i dont feel like retyping it -

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38970

if you have anything to ask afterwards, then go ahead and post up.

peace

[jae hoon]

Kaillaria doesnt count as competitive play. It plays completely different the irl, this is as bad as the Garou scrubs using lag tactics then talking about how great they are.

[DeathScythe]

LOL @ Alucard20: Dude, your tier list is so out of whack its too funny. And to start playing the game only 3 years ago? Come on man. Where you when this came out? The tiers have been decided and for you to say that Spidey is top tier further proves the scrubs that run around on Kaillera.

Like mentioned before. A good turtling Strider will destroy Spidey and keep him grounded and spam Ouroboros over and over again. Spidey's crossup game is alright at best.

[Mystic_bash]

Nooope
MegamanDS vs Dogface Evo 2k5 finals
http://youtube.com/watch?v=84Tdq_LW86I

XvS is the one game so fucking broken with 200% infinites that its unplayable. Unless you imply a no basic infinite rule you wont be able to play the game with any really interesting matches :sad:
But I thought we were talking marvel.

[Devil X]

MVC1 Strider would get smashed all day long in MVC2. Let's look at the rundown...

MVC1 Strider gets:
- Safe Legion that can be followed up... uhh, worthless? Maybe for DHC in, but why not DHC to orbs instead?
- Ground chain... not relevant, since without s.fwd a lot of his ground priority is gone (not that people spend any significant amount of time playing footsies in MVC2 anyway)
- air uncombo to Ghram... useful, but doesn't change any strategy

MVC1 Strider loses:
- much faster tigers/birds... seriously, throwing the animals in MVC1 after playing MVC2 is a complete waste of time. I'd argue that from a strategic standpoint, this already outweighs everything he'd gain, but that's unnecessary, because...
- ability to block/attack after punch teleport... G f*cking G on that.



well in defense of mvc1 strider, doesn't he have better stamina? when it comes to death combos that doesn't really matter but just getting hit by random shit like captain corridors and random fierces/rh it definately adds up. also, mvc1 striders orbs are much much better as far as priority and the amount of time he's orbed. still, quick recovering birds/teleports i think are much better as far as competing in mvc2.

[Alucard20]

LOL @ Alucard20: Dude, your tier list is so out of whack its too funny. And to start playing the game only 3 years ago? Come on man. Where you when this came out? The tiers have been decided and for you to say that Spidey is top tier further proves the scrubs that run around on Kaillera.

Like mentioned before. A good turtling Strider will destroy Spidey and keep him grounded and spam Ouroboros over and over again. Spidey's crossup game is alright at best.



When did i ever say spidey is better then strider?If I thought spidey was better then strider... then he would be on the top of the top tier list, not in 4th.

Before u run your mouth about who's top and who's not...look at the links i got on my post.


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Alucard20: damn, if you think Spidey and Chun are top tier, you guys on Kaillera must be playing a different game...none of the pixie chars can be top tier without a duo in this game or some broken attribute (wolvie has some form of duo, strider is obvious, orbs + duo, and RV has broken speed, range, infiinites)

Dasrik coined in a nutshell why RV is top..

old mvc1 thread, lots of goodness in here and i dont feel like retyping it -

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38970

if you have anything to ask afterwards, then go ahead and post up.

peace


I don't play with the hidden characters in mvsc i don't care for them. I know rv is cheap shitty noob character,for noobs to do easy infinites with.


spidey-cross up king
chun-li -air reset super. nuff said

Again, i don't like to repeat myself.

Look @ those damn tourneys and tell me why spidey isn't top tier again.

[box]

spidey-cross up king
Again, i don't like to repeat myself.

Look @ those damn tourneys and tell me why spidey isn't top tier again.

Here's how you beat Spidey cross-ups. Block.

It's a little harder to block the right way in Kailera cause of the lag... but in the arcade... it's simple as pie.

[Preppy]

I don't play with the hidden characters in mvsc i don't care for them. I know rv is cheap shitty noob character,for noobs to do easy infinites with.

Look @ those damn tourneys and tell me why spidey isn't top tier again.Please stop. Those tourneys in entirety represent mid-level play. I'm sorry that that's the best MvsC play you get to experience: I know it's a treat every year when I get to play even a game or two at ECC against people who REALLY know the game, even though we both know they've forgotten more than I'll ever know. You should go next time: if you're into competition it's worth it.

Red Venom takes too much damage to be used by a noob. And if you don't play with or against Gold War Machine you don't know the goddamn game. *shrug*

[jae hoon]

Here's how you beat Spidey cross-ups. Block.

It's a little harder to block the right way in Kailera cause of the lag... but in the arcade... it's simple as pie.

If anything lag would make Strider infinetly better. Just think of Ourobos lockdown with lag.

[Alucard20]

MVC1 Strider would get smashed all day long in MVC2. Let's look at the rundown...

MVC1 Strider gets:
- Safe Legion that can be followed up... uhh, worthless? Maybe for DHC in, but why not DHC to orbs instead?
- Ground chain... not relevant, since without s.fwd a lot of his ground priority is gone (not that people spend any significant amount of time playing footsies in MVC2 anyway)
- air uncombo to Ghram... useful, but doesn't change any strategy

MVC1 Strider loses:
- much faster tigers/birds... seriously, throwing the animals in MVC1 after playing MVC2 is a complete waste of time. I'd argue that from a strategic standpoint, this already outweighs everything he'd gain, but that's unnecessary, because...
- ability to block/attack after punch teleport... G f*cking G on that.

Ok first off all strider in mvsc1 is better then strider in mvsc2.


Mvsc1 strider

-Has higher defense in mvsc1.
-Has much higher atttack power in mvsc1.
-Orbs last longer,stronger and have much better priority.
-If orbs connect he could combo into his Ragnorak super.
-If orbs connect in the corner he could Legion and then ragnorak(mean 3 supers)
-Has a powerful air reset MP,Mk, Down + hp, sj,Sj.Mp,sj.Mk, Ghram
-Has a power ground combo (unlike 2)Mp,Mk,Hp,Hk,Ghram

Mvsc2 strider

-Has much faster animals
-Has a eagle
-Has a better teleport



i would say Strider in 1 is better then strider in 2.

[DeathScythe]

When did i ever say spidey is better then strider?If I thought spidey was better then strider... then he would be on the top of the top tier list, not in 4th.

Before u run your mouth about who's top and who's not...look at the links i got on my post.


How about you go back in time and run your fucking mouth about these tiers when the fucking game actually fucking mattered? I never fucking SAID that you said that Spidey was better than Strider. Learn how to read you dumb fuck. I said that a good turtling Strider beats out Spidey any day. DOES IT EVER SAY THERE THAT STRIDER IS BETTER!? Of course not. But since you can't read you can't comprehend and thus your tiering of Spidey is the shit scrubs are made of. Play this game in the arcades against REAL competition and tell me you're gonna win.

Spidey has NOTHING else other than crossup's and thats not enough to win. Any character in this game can stop his crossup game easily. Spidey is NOT top tier. His dash doesn't allow him for good rushdowns and leaves him massively open to any stupid shit. None of his supers are good weapons because they leave too many openings.

I don't play with the hidden characters in mvsc i don't care for them. I know rv is cheap shitty noob character,for noobs to do easy infinites with.

RV is a cheap noob character? HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED AGAINST REAL COMPETITION!? No. Like I said, go back in time and play the game when it really mattered and you tell me if RV is a noob character.


spidey-cross up king
chun-li -air reset super. nuff said

Again, i don't like to repeat myself.

Look @ those damn tourneys and tell me why spidey isn't top tier again.



You're bullshitting yourself. Go play some real MvC1. Wait, you can't do that can you. That's right. The game is dead. That Kaillera shit doesn't constitute as REAL play. Lag is a deciding factor on that shit.

[xX_Deus_Xx]

i dont play this game but i'd like to chime in to say alucard is a scrub.

lol

"dont forget about aturo"

*arturo then tells you you're and idiot for thinking spidey and chun are top*

"RED VENOM IS FOR SCRUB I HAVE HONOR!"

stfu and stop spreading misinformation alucard.


i'd just like to add also just watching diosx play casual mvc, he was definately better than anything you had in those vids. get over yourself man.

if a man calls you a horse, call him a donkey.
if another man calls you a horse, punch him in the face.
if a third man calls you a horse, go buy yourself a saddle.

[Alucard20]

How about you go back in time and run your fucking mouth about these tiers when the fucking game actually fucking mattered? I never fucking SAID that you said that Spidey was better than Strider. Learn how to read you dumb fuck. I said that a good turtling Strider beats out Spidey any day. DOES IT EVER SAY THERE THAT STRIDER IS BETTER!? Of course not. But since you can't read you can't comprehend and thus your tiering of Spidey is the shit scrubs are made of. Play this game in the arcades against REAL competition and tell me you're gonna win.


Oh boy i have a mad geek on my hand.


First off, when u said " turtling Strider will destroy Spidey and keep him grounded and spam Ouroboros over and over again."

Your saying strider is better! period!

when i said "When did i ever say spidey is better then strider?"
In other words, i know strider ownz spidey, BUT that doesn't mean he isn't top tier,DUMB FUCK!That's why i said "If I thought spidey was better then strider... then he would be on the top of the top tier list, not in 4th."


Please just stfu.When u told me to go back in time some magical way.. i knew i was dealing with a idiot.



Spidey has NOTHING else other than crossup's and thats not enough to win. Any character in this game can stop his crossup game easily. Spidey is NOT top tier. His dash doesn't allow him for good rushdowns and leaves him massively open to any stupid shit. None of his supers are good weapons because they leave too many openings.


Did your dumb ass look @ the tourney?Yeah, i didn't think so.


RV is a cheap noob character? HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED AGAINST REAL COMPETITION!? No. Like I said, go back in time and play the game when it really mattered and you tell me if RV is a noob character.


Yes i said rv is a cheap character. when i said "noob character" i'm saying noobs pick him because he has easy infinites, dumb ass.



You're bullshitting yourself. Go play some real MvC1. Wait, you can't do that can you. That's right. The game is dead. That Kaillera shit doesn't constitute as REAL play. Lag is a deciding factor on that shit.



Real play?Are u saying that ALL online games are NOT real because of delay or lag?If so, your a idiot!Don't act like lag will change the game so much it's a different game.Top playerz on kaillera won't lag someone infinite and if u play someone with good connection speed there is VERY little lag what so ever.

[Alucard20]

i dont play this game but i'd like to chime in to say alucard is a scrub.

lol

"dont forget about aturo"

*arturo then tells you you're and idiot for thinking spidey and chun are top*

"RED VENOM IS FOR SCRUB I HAVE HONOR!"

stfu and stop spreading misinformation alucard.


i'd just like to add also just watching diosx play casual mvc, he was definately better than anything you had in those vids. get over yourself man.

if a man calls you a horse, call him a donkey.
if another man calls you a horse, punch him in the face.
if a third man calls you a horse, go buy yourself a saddle.


When u said "i Don't really play this game" u lost your credibility.For saying such a thing makes u look like a scrub.

[DeathScythe]

Oh boy i have a mad geek on my hand.

Uh oh, not as much as you with your claims of Spidey being top tier. You're the one posting on a message board as well, you fucking dork. My first post in this thread. You're the geek that keeps fighting back. Take that shit back to Gamefaq's or your mom's urethra.


First off, when u said " turtling Strider will destroy Spidey and keep him grounded and spam Ouroboros over and over again."

Your saying strider is better! period!


Not really. If Spidey is in the top tier, then he can clearly stand a chance against Strider and can win. Apparently he can't therefore he is knocked from the top tier. Spidey has nothing to offer against those characters at the top and thus is mid tier.

when i said "When did i ever say spidey is better then strider?"
In other words, i know strider ownz spidey, BUT that doesn't mean he isn't top tier DUMB FUCK!That why i said "If I thought spidey was better then strider... then he would be on the top of the top tier list, not in 4th."


I'll repeat it once more for your misunderstanding and clear ignorance of the top tier:

If Spidey is in the top tier, then he can clearly stand a chance against Strider and can win. Apparently he can't therefore he is knocked from the top tier. Spidey has nothing to offer against those characters at the top and thus is mid tier.


Please just stfu.When u told me to go back in time some magical way.. i knew i was dealing with a idiot.


Oh, I'm sorry. Wit doesn't compute in your Spidey-filled fantasy world? Like I said, you're playing the game when it doesn't matter anymore. Your claims are pointless.


Did your dumb ass look @ the tourney?Yeah, i didn't think so.


One of those scrub matches was more than enough to watch. Spidey/Strider vs. Wolvie/ChunLi. That was a mediocre match. Strider should have been all over Chun Li like white on rice. That was a scrub battle at best and showed nothing about Spidey being the crossup king. Even though he is, that was the shittiest Spidey ever. Must have been you playing, scrub.


Yes i said rv is a cheap character. when i said "noob character" i'm saying noobs pick him because he has easy infinites, dumb ass.


And you call him a noob character because you have the scrub mentality with preset rules to your way of playing. Don't bitch if you can't win. Play to win. If you pick RV then you're playing to win.


Real play?Are u saying that ALL online games are NOT real because of delay or lag?If so, your a idiot!Don't act like lag will change the game so much it's a different game.Top playerz on kaillera won't lag someone infinite and if u play someone with good connection speed there is VERY little lag what so ever.



Thats right. Real play. Arcade cabinet. No lag or any sort of little interference. Lag WILL change the game dumbass. Your connection slows down your opponent can SEE it you dumb cunt for a gamer. Who has the upperhand in this situation? The player with no lag.

[TrueSephiroth]

I remember at the beginning of MvC1 and before it reached big heights at our arcade stand, almost everyone there would play Wolverine/Spiderman w/Collosus or Psylocke assist almost always, however only a handful of us including me where utilizing Strider, but this one guy who moved to our city from out of state came in and played RV, and his lvl was much higher than anyone at our arcades.

He pretty much bitched slapped everyone with RV, and showed us why RV was a contender, and he also showed everyone why Strider was arguably #1(Something that during the beginning of MvC1 at our arcadestand I was trying to state on more than one occassion)...after that, it changed the way we played MvC1 entirely where I lived, and I would say that RV is no noob character either, the damage that he takes is just ridiculous, no noob can utilize his potential with the shitty life he has.

I also have to state that I would disagree on MvC1 Strider not being able to hang in MvC2 when the Strider in there for the most part is much more worse, yet Clock has shown that even MvC2 Strider can hang fairly well. With MvC1 Strider having the way better life, damage output, and definetly Ouro's it would've made his traps in MvC2 that much better, making him far more of a threat that what he is now in MvC2.

[Kasou]

it seems that alucard thought deathscythe's first post was flame, and started defending himself in a weird manner. Shrug.... should chill man. Sometimes you must ask yourself how pro you are compared to the rest. I won't doubt your skills, but it's obvious that the competition you posted was mid-tier. Not bad at all, but not top tier. And i dun think you should take that as an offense. All we are saying is that in top competition, spidey wouldn't be considered as a real big threat in the tier list. It's like this, i play GG in brisbane. I use Chipp. I win everyone. People think that chipp is top tier (this is in reload). But in reality, Chipp is not top tier, he is bottom. The reason why it seems like Chipp is top tier, is becoz my competition here is beginner level. And the ppl that use the top tier characters have yet to fully master the matchups and the potentials of their character. I think that is the same with your competition. It's like ppl dun know how to punish my CHipp's leaf throw. They jump they get air thrown. They think it's top tier. But it's not. Same with spidey.

I guess the reason why you're getting flamed is becoz of your strong stand to your arguments, when to others your skill and competition is too limited for you to make such a stand. It's sad realli, but maybe you should listen a bit more in an open fashion, and not be so arrogant. Just my 2 cents...

[Alucard20]

Uh oh, not as much as you with your claims of Spidey being top tier. You're the one posting on a message board as well, you fucking dork. My first post in this thread. You're the geek that keeps fighting back. Take that shit back to Gamefaq's or your mom's urethra.



Fighting back(as u say)doesn't mean your a geek.It means, your not going to let someone talk down to u.Thus saying something back.

For the comment about your mom's urethra?Sounds like u know alot about that and i really don't want to know what u TRY with your mom.


Not really. If Spidey is in the top tier, then he can clearly stand a chance against Strider and can win. Apparently he can't therefore he is knocked from the top tier. Spidey has nothing to offer against those characters at the top and thus is mid tier.


He does stand a chance aginst strider.How? Web ball that shit.Yeah he can't do it all the time, but it gives him a chance to win and a strider player knowz that web ball will stop orbs.



I'll repeat it once more for your misunderstanding and clear ignorance of the top tier:

If Spidey is in the top tier, then he can clearly stand a chance against Strider and can win. Apparently he can't therefore he is knocked from the top tier. Spidey has nothing to offer against those characters at the top and thus is mid tier.


i'll repeat it once more aswell

Web ball that shit.Yeah he can't do it all the time, but it gives him a chance to win and a strider player know that web ball will stop orbs.




Oh, I'm sorry. Wit doesn't compute in your Spidey-filled fantasy world? Like I said, you're playing the game when it doesn't matter anymore. Your claims are pointless.


It's ok.You don't have to be sorry.I forgive you for being a arrogant asshole.tell me.. what is this new world u speak of tho ?

It could be pointless to u,but it's not pointless to me.Oh and your claims to me are pointless.


One of those scrub matches was more than enough to watch. Spidey/Strider vs. Wolvie/ChunLi. That was a mediocre match. Strider should have been all over Chun Li like white on rice. That was a scrub battle at best and showed nothing about Spidey being the crossup king. Even though he is, that was the shittiest Spidey ever. Must have been you playing, scrub.



Really? scrubs huh?Ok, how about u hop your ass on kaillera and let's see u own all those so called scrub.Since u know scrubs suck, right?And that wasn't me playing dumb fuck.



And you call him a noob character because you have the scrub mentality with preset rules to your way of playing. Don't bitch if you can't win. Play to win. If you pick RV then you're playing to win.


I wasn't bitching about rv.I said he's cheap. That's not bitching.If i picked rv i would be a idiot like u.I would pick wolvie or strider anyday over rv.






Thats right. Real play. Arcade cabinet. No lag or any sort of little interference. Lag WILL change the game dumbass. Your connection slows down your opponent can SEE it you dumb cunt for a gamer. Who has the upperhand in this situation? The player with no lag.

I didn't say lag wouldn't change the game, dumb ass. i said "Don't act like lag will change the game SO MUCH IT'S A Different Game".

Why the fuck would u play a lagger?Idiot!That's why u play people that don't lag. And no one connection will slow the game down.. unless your playing someone with a high ass ping.

[Dasrik]

Red Venom doesn't have easy infinites. If he did, I would play RV. If you're a scrub, the only way you're getting infinites is random jump fierce (a la scrub Ironman random jump jab). You really have to be good to play RV, unlike Gold War Machine where the only real skill is surviving long enough to get 3 meters. But if you're gonna play this game, there is no room to complain about either.

Anyhoo, if you're not playing secret characters because you don't "like" them, you really don't know the game. There is no room for argument there.

And I still can't see the tourney footage (I get a Forbidden error) :(

[T-Kimura]

the bullshit in this thread is mindboggling, i actually agree with spider-dan.

mvc1 strider doesn't have shit on mvc2 strider when you really think about it, especially if the game was fixed and uncombo was taken out, he'd get even worse. his chip game is so much more serious in mvc2, you don't have limited assists, his animals come out hella fast, plus his teleport is better, those 3 reasons alone is why i would say mvc2 strider > mvc1 strider. i actually wish his mvc2 incarnation was in mvc1, it'd be crazy.

[DeathScythe]

He does stand a chance aginst strider.How? Web ball that shit.Yeah he can't do it all the time, but it gives him a chance to win and a strider player knowz that web ball will stop orbs.


You sealed your fate in the bold lettering my friend. For everytime you go for a web ball you make Strider jump and spam j.rh and Spidey will try to Maximum Spider that and more than likely get snuffed. And a smart Strider player won't allow for that. For every web ball Strider is already killing you. Believe me, they have tried. And they have failed. A projectile only does but so much damage. Web ball will ONLY stop Ouroboros at ACTIVATION of the super. Meaning you better hit on the first few frames cause if not it's over.

It's ok.You don't have to be sorry.I forgive you for being a arrogant asshole.tell me.. what is this new world u speak of tho ?


"OMG GUYZ SPIDEY IS TOP TIER!!!!11!joawjviow!!! TOP TIER I SAY!!! I'LL SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROATS IF I HAVE TO IN THE NEXT 40 POSTS!!!!"

I ain't the arrogant one here. You just won't accept it that Spidey is mid tier.


Really? scrubs huh?Ok, how about u hop your ass on kaillera and let's see u own all those so called scrub.Since u know scrubs suck, right?And that wasn't me playing dumb fuck.


I don't care if that wasn't you playing AT ALL!!! The fact that you brought that up as evidence further disproves your claim of Spidey being top tier.

Sorry, but no stick for my computron. That was a nice shot there, buddy. Hell, I'll be at EVO next year. I'll even get a copy of the game for my DC. My 10 years of experience in this game vs. Your 3 year stint. I say we put some money down as well? What say.....$200 dollars? First to 8. And when I get my flight booked I'll even scan my tickets and post them up on SRK and let you know how it's going down. Because this ain't the first time scrubs have challenged me.


I wasn't bitching about rv.I said he's cheap. That's not bitching.If i picked rv i would be a idiot like u.I would pick wolvie or strider anyday over rv.


You say he's cheap. That's automatically bitching about it. Oh and another thing. I don't play RV. I know his properties. BUT, I'm a Strider/CapCom player.


@Dasrik: Don't worry about it. You're not missing much. Those were some of the weakest videos ever.

[jae hoon]

Lol I am going to keep this going just out of pure amusement.

[Devil X]

the bullshit in this thread is mindboggling, i actually agree with spider-dan.

mvc1 strider doesn't have shit on mvc2 strider when you really think about it, especially if the game was fixed and uncombo was taken out, he'd get even worse. his chip game is so much more serious in mvc2, you don't have limited assists, his animals come out hella fast, plus his teleport is better, those 3 reasons alone is why i would say mvc2 strider > mvc1 strider. i actually wish his mvc2 incarnation was in mvc1, it'd be crazy.

theory stuff is fun when you need to kill time at work :wgrin:


well theory is that you would place mvc1 strider in mvc2, so he would also be allowed unlimited assists. striders orb time in mvc1 would allow doom to come out twice during orbs and your opponent really having nothing to do other then alpha counter to try to escape, that would be an insane amount of chip for just one bar.

[Alucard20]

Lol I am going to keep this going just out of pure amusement.

too bad i'm not posting on this thread after this



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You know what guys? I really don't care if u think spidey is top or not.Believe what u will,we all have our opinions and i have mine.


@Deathscythe
I can't go to evo.So don't worry about it.


Anyways,i'll be the bigger person here and stop now.I'm done with this thread

[Spider-Dan]

Ok first off all strider in mvsc1 is better then strider in mvsc2.


Mvsc1 strider

-Has higher defense in mvsc1.
-Has much higher atttack power in mvsc1.
-Orbs last longer,stronger and have much better priority.
-If orbs connect he could combo into his Ragnorak super.
-If orbs connect in the corner he could Legion and then ragnorak(mean 3 supers)
-Has a powerful air reset MP,Mk, Down + hp, sj,Sj.Mp,sj.Mk, Ghram
-Has a power ground combo (unlike 2)Mp,Mk,Hp,Hk,Ghram
- Compared to who? MVC1 Strider takes more damage than anyone but RV.
- Not exactly relevant, since Doom would deal the same block damage
- Orbs are a little longer. I don't see how priority is relevant... it's not like MCV2 orbs don't have high enough priority. MVC1 orbs still get shot if you mess up teleport.
- waste of meter
- waste of meter (BTW, you can do orbs into triple team in MVC2... I wonder why no one does it?)
- asked and answered
- asked and answered

Mvsc2 strider

-Has much faster animals
-Has a eagle
-Has a better teleport
Nothing else matters. Thanks for playing.

[Dasrik]

Ragnarok also kills you if you hit with it in MvC1 anyway. Jab roll and all.

[Spider-Dan]

theory stuff is fun when you need to kill time at work :wgrin:


well theory is that you would place mvc1 strider in mvc2, so he would also be allowed unlimited assists. striders orb time in mvc1 would allow doom to come out twice during orbs and your opponent really having nothing to do other then alpha counter to try to escape, that would be an insane amount of chip for just one bar.
Losing the teleport is still more important than all of that. That completely eliminates any sort of high-low game during orbs, which is a major source of meter for Strider. Block trap is really only sufficient to kill one character unless you have ungodly amounts of meter to start with.

Furthermore, it reduces Strider's offense in a lot of situations to "orbs" or "slowly run away and build meter". Cable and Sentinel, in particular, would go from very good fights to nearly unwinnable. You wouldn't be able to do anything to attack them except bomb into orbs.

Keep in mind that Strider's ground dominance in MVC1 is basically irrelevant in MVC2, since footsies don't really matter in that game... plus he can't use one of his best ground pokes, anyway (s.fwd).

[Shade]

Deathscythe, I bow to you. Also, we need to get some stuph for the sitezor upz!

[Dasrik]

You know, the scrubfests that threads like this invite are almost worth it just to see Spider-Dan spank them...

[Shiro_420]

p0 ZeroHp only wanted some advise for the best players to pair up. Then this topic went way off topic. I mean looking back a what I was posting, it was some pretty pointless shit.... Also I'd like to formally apologize to Adam warlock. There’s no reason to even go that far over videos games......

On a side note why can't Alucard go to evo? I guess $200 is a bit much for him.
Death scythe at least stayed on point the whole time with what he was saying and tried to steer away from personal insults and point out obvious facts.

Kailleras main stream players use 3p 3k buttons when playing online to begin with. So that’s changing the game with say wolves dash infinite becoming much more easy. It can’t be argued that using dash buttons is less skill then actually doing the shit your self. Oh well that’s just my input.

[Mystic_bash]

Up until yesterday. I used 3 buttons to dash, since my friend asked me if I used 1 button for 3p, I decided to try it out, and its fuckin excellent. Sadly, I now fall in with the rest of kaillera :(

[Shiro_420]

Yeah but if you don’t use that dash button your actually using more skill. Drop the one button dash and stick to 3 button dash. More skill and more respect for peeps that don’t use it.

[Spider-Dan]

If you are using a 3P button, you lose all claim to being good at the game. Sorry, there's no way around it. And keyboard limitations are not an excuse; if keyboards can't play the game without cheating, then don't use a keyboard.

By this logic, if I want to play SF with a mouse, special move macros (activated by mouse buttons) are OK, because that's just due to the limitations of the mouse! So it's perfectly fair for me to program a VC into one mouse button.

[Shiro_420]

Macros for the lose =/

[Saotome Kaneda]

So it's perfectly fair for me to program a VC into one mouse button.
Mouse Wheel up for 40% VC to corner xx CC inf?

[NeREMIXED]

You guys sure Red Venom doesn't have easy infinites?

One throw at the corner or your back against the corner = infinite. j. hp or hk = infinite.

And I think why people would say MvC1 strider over MvC2 strider is cause his mp/mk have so much damn priority. But in a game like MvC2 that shit wouldn't matter.

[Dasrik]

You guys sure Red Venom doesn't have easy infinites?

One throw at the corner or your back against the corner = infinite. j. hp or hk = infinite.
Kick throw leads to infinite? Damn, I did not know that. Anyway,

1. it's easy in execution but not easy to setup, you can't always get throws in the corner, and fishing for j.fierce/rh is not a good strategy.
2. personally, I have an uncanny knack to screw up even incredibly simple juggle combos. I can't do IM's infinite, and I can't do RV's. :(

[ZeroHP]

Wow...I'm TOO young to read all that. I was just asking for advise. Not to see people ranking on each other. I'm still a teen, and Shiro is right.

I know this is out of question but has anyone seen Dark Geese? Just wondering...

And, some of this info is really helpful and vids are alright with me. I really do appreciate this guys. Thanks. Keep it up.

[Spider-Dan]

So let's talk about something interesting, since tier 1 in MVC1 was unanimously agreed upon like 7 years ago:

A more accurate 2nd tier would be Chun-Li/Gambit/Hulk/Zangief, and I'll throw in Lilith for good measure.
Venom absolutely owns three of those characters and has a totally winnable match against the fourth (Gambit).

[Dasrik]

Venom absolutely owns three of those characters and has a totally winnable match against the fourth (Gambit).
You're right, when I casually write tier lists I seem to consistently forget Venom. :/ I even recall writing a paragraph about how Venom beats those characters and forgot to put him on the list itself.

[Sabin]

Yeah, I always thought Venom was quite good and belonged at top of 2nd tier, but I always forget him in my tier lists too. haha. Only peron Venom DOESNT beat on that list is Chun-Li

[Shiro_420]

Megaman ftw.

[Return of Shiki]

Man memories...MvC1 was actually my first tourney game as a young scrub.

Yeah...I don't play Kaillera or whatever but there's no comparing that to real life MvC1 play in the arcades back when everybody played this game.

You haven't lived until you've had a whole life meter chipped to death by Double War Machine Duo Team Attack.
Or been convinced that Jin is actually good and been proceeded to be utterly annihilated by about 1210453403403 Striders.

-I do remember that when opposing players call out Psylocke and Colossus assists, Psylocke plows straight through him everytime which is why I always remember Psy >>> Colossus.

[NeREMIXED]

Kick throw leads to infinite? Damn, I did not know that. Anyway,

1. it's easy in execution but not easy to setup, you can't always get throws in the corner, and fishing for j.fierce/rh is not a good strategy.
2. personally, I have an uncanny knack to screw up even incredibly simple juggle combos. I can't do IM's infinite, and I can't do RV's. :(

Is that sarcasm? I can't tell online. But yeh you can and it's probably even easier than throwing with hp.

With RV's speed and priority on his moves it should be easier than most chars to land a throw. Not that that's the main strat w/ RV but once you have them scared of c.hp and all his damn good normals they'll probably be blocking more often than not. And the only thing you would have to worry about is Psy and duo's.

Who counters RV? I know it's been argued that GWM does, but RV just has to jab>fp throw. Jump over repeat. Also with his speed it'd be hard to pull of a duo.

[box]

I'd say GWM counters RV. It's really tough for RV to prevent GWM from getting enough meter for the duo-team.

Other then GWM, Wolverine also can give RV a couple problems just due to randomness.

Other then those two, RV can beat every other character pretty easily.

[AMinorThreat]

How come nobody mentioned strider priority? s.mp is redic and has mad frame advantage, most of striders damage can lead off random pokes into dp+k. c.hp is a solid ass anti air into double uncombo aircombo. WHAT ABOUT TT WITH WOLVIE GUYS!?:rofl: :rofl:

[box]

How come nobody mentioned strider priority? s.mp is redic and has mad frame advantage, most of striders damage can lead off random pokes into dp+k. c.hp is a solid ass anti air into double uncombo aircombo. WHAT ABOUT TT WITH WOLVIE GUYS!?:rofl: :rofl:

I think everyone here agrees that Strider is pretty much #1 in the game.

[evilmuffinmanX]

what about ryu?

[ZeroHP]

what about ryu?

Just forget about it...

[Dasrik]

Is that sarcasm? I can't tell online. But yeh you can and it's probably even easier than throwing with hp.
No sarcasm here. And none there either. Or there. Or there...

With RV's speed and priority on his moves it should be easier than most chars to land a throw. Not that that's the main strat w/ RV but once you have them scared of c.hp and all his damn good normals they'll probably be blocking more often than not. And the only thing you would have to worry about is Psy and duo's.
That's true, I just mean that that alone won't guarantee you a win. :)

Who counters RV? I know it's been argued that GWM does, but RV just has to jab>fp throw. Jump over repeat. Also with his speed it'd be hard to pull of a duo.
There's been a lot of argument, but I think it can be agreed that nothing cleanly counters RV, except the RV user being predictable.

[Sabin]

GWM counters RV, but only when duo's come into play, if it's 1 on 1, its a even fight, you can poke without getting hit since hes so slow with attacks like low strong etc.just dont get randomed out, lol.

NeRemixed: you can infinite off kick throw, but punch throw is untechable (although mashable, but its hard...)

[Draeger]

So, what exactly is the Triple Option?

I remember a while back (7-8 years ago) when Viscant was talking about it and how retarded it is, but never saw an explanation of what it is.

[Dasrik]

Generally, triple option refers to a situation in which the attacker has three different options of attack; but in MvC1 specifically it refers to a Zangief combo that leaves the opponent in a position for such an option.

Basically, it's an air combo you can start off of a launch or strong throw. Do light attack->medium attack->kick lariat (seems to work best with jab-forward). Then you can choose to either launch them again (if they try to hit you), SPD/FAB (if they do nothing) or strong throw again to repeat it (this is generally not as effective).

[NeREMIXED]

GWM counters RV, but only when duo's come into play, if it's 1 on 1, its a even fight, you can poke without getting hit since hes so slow with attacks like low strong etc.just dont get randomed out, lol.

NeRemixed: you can infinite off kick throw, but punch throw is untechable (although mashable, but its hard...)

you talking about the hp hk infinite right? i was just pointing that out because in any situation where you're near the corner you easily have an infinite. kill them, gaurd break and there you go.

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah, I always thought Venom was quite good and belonged at top of 2nd tier, but I always forget him in my tier lists too. haha. Only peron Venom DOESNT beat on that list is Chun-Li
Actually, Venom owns Chun pretty damn hard. It's barely less stupid than Venom vs Hulk or Zangief (but still quite stupid). The only angle that Chun can attack Venom from is the exact angle at which Colossus is guaranteed to link to super (and you usually get a nice ambiguous crossup even if Chun tries to block Colossus).

I think everyone here agrees that Strider is pretty much #1 in the game.
I'd say he's #2 behind RV.

[Mystic_bash]

If you are using a 3P button, you lose all claim to being good at the game. Sorry, there's no way around it. And keyboard limitations are not an excuse; if keyboards can't play the game without cheating, then don't use a keyboard.

By this logic, if I want to play SF with a mouse, special move macros (activated by mouse buttons) are OK, because that's just due to the limitations of the mouse! So it's perfectly fair for me to program a VC into one mouse button.
But it hurts my fingers :sad: My pad is a saitek, IOW the buttons are too fuckin small, I clipped the skin off my finger up against my nail a few times. Thats how fuckin dangerous it is to play like that. :( Though I used to use 3 punches on keyboard, it was MUCH easier, but sucked because of the 3 key limit. Was there a way to get around this at all?