What the hell am I supposed to do with my life?

[Sonic_Reaper]

This question has been bugging me ever since I finsihed highschool. I got through school with really good grades and I felt somewhat gravitated towards fine arts (like drawing and stuff). However, my character flaw (I can call it that >_>) is that I am really fucking lazy. Like, hella so. I never studied. My assignments were always half finished. Luckily highschool was hella easy and I still got 80's and 90's. And my assignments still somehow got me 70's, even though they were half finished. This is referring to art assignments. Essays and shit, I could write a ten page essay about nothing quite easily.

Anyway, I'm third year University now and things don't seem to have changed. I'm still the laziest mofo around, and I'm still pursuing fine arts. However today, I completed an assignment ... but like ... I didn't give a shit. It started out okay, but then I began to nitpick it, and after an hour or so of working on it (it was a mock-University diploma >_>), I just finished it for the sake of finishing it. I can't imagine getting more than 50-60%, if even that. It sucks. It's horribly rushed and there are mistakes all over the place.

So then I started thinking, if I'm going to pursue a career in fine arts ... is that going to work out? What if I am on the job and due to my extreme laziness, produce the shittiest work ever. If any at all.

The only managable stuff I've actually enjoyed and have been able to finish is small graphics for handhelds and cellphones. In fact I took a year off and did just that to make cash to pay for this year.

But in the end; there are other things I am interested in; computer science and writing to name a couple; but the same problems seem to plague me in these areas too.

I just ... don't know where the frick I am heading. It feels like I've been going through life with blinders on since grade 12 or so. There's a lot of pressure now, perhaps more than I've ever faced, and I'm always freaking out in that I won't get this or that done, or that I won't get good marks. And due to my slacking nature, my average is below 50% *cough*; so I NEED to get freaking good marks this year. But I don't know if this is the right path. I've tried a lot of stuff, moving from an English major, to a Sociology major, to a Fine Arts major, with some a minor in French along the way. It was all somewhat ... interesting ... but I just could not see myself working in any of those fields. I feel like a jack of all trades, but a master of nothing, that I don't fit anywhere, and don't care to do anything with my life. But I don't want to end up a loser; having seen where many of my "friends" have headed (no education = parent's basement/selling drugs/etc).

So yeah, thanks to anyone who actually read that. Has anyone been in a similar situation? How have you dealt with it?

[Amazed]

I think everyone feels that way. Just gotta power through it.

[white shadow]

Well I think when you have a job you get a newfound sense of purpose or responsiblity. To be honest I'm also lazy but I know when I need to work. When you know the immediate penalties of being a bad employee or failing your coworkers you will want to be effective, but maybe that is just me.

[Gasaraki]

Yeah, you're definitely not alone in feeling that way. I think the laziness thing is just a part of lack of maturity really because alot of people in that situaiton, including me, say the same thing.

[Hwoarvang]

I thought I was the only lazy kid.:confused:

Being lazy and going through an intense engineering program doesn't exactly work out. I've been meaning to write up my functional resume and submit it for weeks now and I haven't even touched it yet. HOLY SHITZ! I'm lazy and screwed over.:sad:

[Sonic_Reaper]

It's my belief that human nature causes us to be so ... relaxed. Or at least, people shouldn't, naturally, feel so stressed or overworked. Personally anyway, I'm really relaxed and easy going and as I said several times, lazy as hell.

It got to the extreme in second year when I kept putting off assignments until the last minute. Then, all of a sudden, I was like "fuck it", and I just left the assignments pass me by. As you probably guessed, grades weren't all that good.

It's funny cause in a workplace setting, I'll work my ass off. I'll be the hardest working employee no matter where I go. But when it comes to school, it's not that I don't give a shit, but seriously, I've been working so hard since the start of this semester, that I've had no free time to myself, almost at all. And I'm so used to spending long days just doing nothing. That it really sucks. And in the long run, I gotta ask if it's worth it (the University diploma that is).

I don't strive for much; my own place and a nice paying job that allows me to live comfortably and without stress. I just hate the fact I have to go through so many damn years for some stupid piece of paper that says I am qualified. Hell, I was making more than I have ever made last year working as a pixel artist, and beyond being self-taught, I didn't have any "technical" qualifications.

[Lei Mana]

is that Markus Schulz in your avatar?

[Sonic_Reaper]

Nope.

[Nick T.]

I try to take as much stuff as I can, as jokingly as possible(in stride, if you will).
This usually keeps me calm, and when I have to get stuff done, I usually always get it done.

I just relax and not worry because, well, it's not going to kill me.

EDIT:

Just read the last part of your 2nd post.

I think the reason why we're that way with school, is because we've been in it for so long that we need something new. I usually never slack with things outside of school. But with school, I relax and always put things off.

Thats how it is with me at least.

[Gasaraki]

It's my belief that human nature causes us to be so ... relaxed. Or at least, people shouldn't, naturally, feel so stressed or overworked. Personally anyway, I'm really relaxed and easy going and as I said several times, lazy as hell.

It got to the extreme in second year when I kept putting off assignments until the last minute. Then, all of a sudden, I was like "fuck it", and I just left the assignments pass me by. As you probably guessed, grades weren't all that good.

It's funny cause in a workplace setting, I'll work my ass off. I'll be the hardest working employee no matter where I go. But when it comes to school, it's not that I don't give a shit, but seriously, I've been working so hard since the start of this semester, that I've had no free time to myself, almost at all. And I'm so used to spending long days just doing nothing. That it really sucks. And in the long run, I gotta ask if it's worth it (the University diploma that is).

I don't strive for much; my own place and a nice paying job that allows me to live comfortably and without stress. I just hate the fact I have to go through so many damn years for some stupid piece of paper that says I am qualified. Hell, I was making more than I have ever made last year working as a pixel artist, and beyond being self-taught, I didn't have any "technical" qualifications.

Wow, that is exactly how I feel. When I'm at a job I actaully take soem pride in being a hard worker, much different than when I was in school. And I too don't relaly have very high goals, I just want to get by comfortably and that's it

[MAGUS1234]

Im about to go to my first year at a state- to get out of JC it took me 3+ years and I barely got into the state with a wooping 2.019!!

not to mention Ive been partying like a maniac this year so going into a full time stundent is gonna be like prison for me, I really dont even know if Im capable ...

Ohh well, as long as Im not homeless and I have some mini goals, im staight.

[Etcetera]

Wow, this is almost the exact same for me. Only exception is I am a computer science student.
I just feel like I am going nowhere. When I get out of school, then what? I have no previous work experience or anything and my grades are pretty average. I hate to say I am 'lost', but shit, it is the only thing that comes to mind.

[Dasrik]

This is an unusually supportive thread for SRK.

So let me be the first to say "CRAWWWWLING IIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIN".

[P. Gorath]

I think million can talk to you more about the particulars of studying fine arts and the job field beyond college. As a junior your really need to focus on what internship you will do during the summer before senior year.

In terms of finishing your work, try and do a project outside of a class assignment, something exclusively for you that you thought up. Figure out what it is that you can do with your field that interests you enough to see it through to completion.

It's like if I'm a writer and in school, I'm taking all these poetry classes, essay classes, first person narrative classes, etc, and if I'm bored or not into it then I start to question why I want to be a writer in the first place, but maybe it's because my sweet spot is writing dime novel science fiction yarns, or television screenplays, and I just havent stumbled upon this yet.

[_MJ_#R]

start a blog

[Zinac]

It seems I'm in a very similiar situation, as a junior in college. There are things which I want to do, but my shear procrastinationing nature tends to prevent it. For example, right at this moment I'm working on a research paper I've had atleast a month to do, but put off any work until this week, and haven't wrote a single word until yesterday. In reality I think I'm just completely afraid of putting in the amount of work I think it would take. Because of my University's writing requirements I have to complete every single paper with atleast a C, or I fail the class by default. Basically, if I don't turn it in on the day it's due, and don't have a A paper, I fail the class. Usually I have 2 options, stress over it, or just relax. I usually take the latter, but stressing doesn't help either. So realistically I won't complete this paper when it's due, 8 hours from now.

The hard thing is figuring out whether or not I could complete it, or not, because I really don't want to just skip sleeping if I don't have to. This would result in me in not paying attention to any of my other classes, and just putting me even more behind (in classes I actually keep up all my work in ).

[kainzero]

the problem is you're not motivated towards your future. look at jobs you want and figure how to get them using school and develop a career path so you have clear goals.

[marn]

Wow.. I was JUST thinking about my life and was like, 'I'm bored, I'm going to browse SRK... Even though I have class in about 6 hours." And.. This thread came up and it hella relates to me. I'm hella lazy also... I went through senior year with like... 25% attendance or something, but I still managed to pull a 3.8/5.0GPA(Don't ask, it's how my school did it.) out of my ass.. I don't know how, it just felt like I went through High School not caring about anything... When WoW came out my Sophomore year, that contributed greatly to my already laziness that I couldn't surpass. I was always like, "Man, I'm gonna go out and have fun today." But all I did was end up in my room playing WoW.. Everytime there was a test in HS, I'd just wing it without studying and still got high grades.. It made no sense to me, I thought if I had studied hard enough and was not lazy, I'd actually get top grades... But I can't get out of my slump, all my days seem to go by too fast, and I always have something to do like play WoW, exercise (...yep) and play 3rd Strike... Not very good for socialness, but it gets me through the day..
Now it's my first semester in a Community College majoring in Electrical Engineering, and I'm taking 13 credit hours. I have classes only on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7:45-5:30... When I first scheduled my classes, what I thought of was true laziness.. I thought, "Eh, it's only two days of the week, I'll go to all my classes, and be done and have the rest of the week off." I go to my first 2 classes because they have attendance... And I get good grades in there.. I have high A's atm.. But I don't know if I can keep it up as it's getting harder. My 3rd class is Chemistry, I took the first test and got a 160/240 because homobitch didn't tell me that I couldn't use programmable calculators.. But I still maintain a high B in that class.. My last class is Psychology... and OMG that is like.. a hella pushover class.. I don't go to any of his classes, I took a test last week, aced it, and was like, "Uh... Ok..." I mean I was happy, but... Why is it this easy? I'm behind on a paper due in English because I don't understand it... I should be working on it, but laziness kicks in and I can't get myself to do it...
I want to get good grades, I want my parents and brother to be proud, but they want me to do something that I don't wanna do. Example: My major in Electrical Engineering. What I truly want to be is an Air Traffic Controller... Now, seeing as though I'm hella lazy, I don't know how I would get through such a stressful job, but it's just want I wanted to since I was little, be around planes. I don't wanna be a pilot after 9/11. I don't wanna be a fucking waitor on a plane, and I don't want to be a terrorist. Even if I don't become an ATC, I don't know where I would end up. I tried to picture a future Marn and was like, '...I'm not going to be doing anything... I can't picture it.' I know I have to try to get good grades, seeing as I have the benefit of my parents paying for my school and my rent. I'm hella grateful that they are doing this for me, since some people I know work just to go to school. I just have to go to school. I'm trying to get a part-time job though, since I want the work experience because I don't have any. At semi-jobs I've been at, like helping Librarians in HS, or my Uncle with his daughter (if that counts), I've worked hella hard and tried to impress as much as I can. I know I can do that at jobs, but in school... I just dont want to do anymore homework, I don't want to do anymore tests, I just want something different. It's the same thing over and over and I've done it for the past 12 years of my life. What was the point of going through those years, if all I need to learn is in the classes I'm going through now?
I've tried everything to get away from what I'm at now... Telling myself I'd do something other than play WoW... Telling myself I will do my homework today and not tomorrow... Shit just doesn't work out for me.

It's an Era.. called the CollegeLife Crisis =[.

[OmegaX]

Cosign with most ppl. I've been out of highschool for a few months now. I'd love to go to college but just don't have the money. Lately I've been doing nothing but working with absolutely no time to myself. 18 and already at a dead-end job. I get out of work at 1 am and since I usually have insomnia trips it takes me about 6-7 hours just to get drowsy and fall asleep. I always get up at 2 pm with only 1 hour to go before work starts. Whenever I do have freetime I'm usually to tired (physically) to want to do anything and usally spend it relaxing watching TV. Trying to work my way out of this situation. If college doesn't happen I'll see what I can do with music on my own.

The best advice I can give you is just experiment with everything until you find your niche. Don't end up at some 9-5 job you hate.

[Wolfgang McFierce]

I've been in your position for ahwhile. Ever since I was in kindergarten, all the kids wanted to be doctors, lawyers, nurses, cops. Me, I never wanted to do any of that. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS TO WORK? I'm not lazy at all. I just don't like working because it's evil. I'm like the robbert horry of school, I slack off until there's a test or other important thing I must do.

You've heard people tell you this at one point in your life:

Confucius said, "Choose a job you like and you will never have to work a day in your life."

My reply is:
Why should I listen to a philosopher? You guys have no jobs!

My passion is to be a critic. Not a movie critic, game critic, food critic, just a plain old critic. I want to criticize everything I see that sucks. I doubt there are jobs for that. Having a dream job is a myth for most people.

EditL

Marn, playing wow, I noticed something. It's no different than in real life. You grind your way to the top which is similar to going to school. Next you Find a good guild. You have to show people you have experience, know people that are part of a good guild, and have the right class/skills. It's like getting a job. After you get a job you do long monkey work to get nice items which are essentially useless, kind of like cars and diamonds in our world. I think that's why I took a long break from WOW, at the end of the day it's about getting useless stuff, and I was never into getting useless stuff in real life anyways.

Ok, that's the end of my emo rant.

[thurst]

this thread needs a lot less hand holding and pats on the back and a lot more man the fuck up. good thing you go to school in canada where i guess "a little over 50%" is passable, that shit is pathetic.
if you don't know what you wanna do with your life just major in some bs like poli sci/sociology and just get your degree and then figure your shit out once you get in the job market.

but seriously, man the fuck up and stop wallowing in your laziness. if you wanna be lazy and unmotivated, fine but don't complain about it.

[Wolfgang McFierce]

I didn't answer the question on how to cure your laziness. I don't think of myself as someone who's lazy but since I hate doing shit I hate after all my classes are done, what I did was put a 1-2 hour break between classes. During that time I just go to the library and do my work. The fact that you can't do much in that time period forces you to go to the library. It also helps to have monkey classes in the morning.

And if you were really lazy you'd do your work earlier rather than cram last min.

[Satomiblood]

I graduated from college last spring with a BA in English/Print Journalism. My aspiration is to be a fiction writer, but my laziness has done a nice job of killing what I once considered my passion. I also stopped sending out resumes to the paper considering they turned down all the ones I sent out. I know that's a dumb move, but I just want to take a break from worrying about my post-college goals. This is the first time in nearly 20 years that I've never had to worry about homework, projects, or preparing for an exam. I'm working 9-5 as a technical typist, making good money, focusing on paying back student loans, and saving up for an apartment sometime next year. I enjoy the feeling of having a regular job, even if it doesn't pertain to my field. I'll have to re-focus eventually, but I'm happy at the moment.

[BudaFuka]

The best advice I can give you is just experiment with everything until you find your niche. Don't end up at some 9-5 job you hate.

You're an asshole...:arazz:


Yup...:arazz:

Edit: Yeah, I'm lazy too

[MOD]

Well I'm gonna say and anyone else who went there can also say. I was lazy in high school and got good grades. Then I went to Full Sail for Computer Animation and learned really fast that lazy wasn't part of the option. You either busted your ass or they failed you instantly. That was one hell of a program to complete. That made me realize that being lazy is sometimes good. Its it way way better than being tired and hungry with no life.

So now I'm trying to go teach English in Japan. I love Tokyo and my Japanese aint to shabby I guess.

[caliagent#3]

major in business...easiest major ever

[shortshortsuper]

yea um...i'm a business major and have no idea what you're talking about
although i've never really taken any other classes outside of this department, which means that if what you say is true, then that would mean any other class would be 10 times harder?

anyways, i became a business major because when applying for college, they asked me what i wanted my major to be....and after having heard of "Undeclared" (a tv show that aired on FOX 11 i believe that didn't do too well so you don't see it anymore [come to think of it, i never actually saw this show!])
I didn't wanted to be Undeclared, so i picked the major that was like, what my dad does (he's a businessman). Man, the more and more i learned about this profession, the more i began to not like it. If there's anything I hate more than anything, it's responsibility. In some of these classes, they teach you stuff on how to be a manager of a large firm and you have to make important decisions such as dealing with sexual harassment problems, lay-offs, what part of a company needs restructuring, allocating assets, etc.. and a bunch more random shit. Anyhow, I have that laziness too that most people in this thread have been posting about. This is my 6th year in college and i'm so lazy i only need one more class to graduate (it's been like this for about 1-2 years). The only problem is that I have no idea how to take it because it's not taught in a classroom. I am supposed to take an internship at a firm and have no idea where to start. Anyhow, I can't really see myself in an office type setting. I was considering working in the video game industry as something to kill time, but really more as something to put off my graduation. I kinda regret picking that as my major, seeing as how me and a friend both entered college at the same time and he's already graduated within 4 years and already has a job. (He was an engineering major and didn't have to do a stupid internship). But I think there might be a suggestion for those of you who are trying to figure out what to do after school or whatever. One thing I considered is that if you're ever going to get a job, do something that is relatively easy to do, meaning something you can do that appears easy but may be difficult to the average person. That way you can just do your job, it'll be easy as hell, and you can do whatever you want with the rest of your day. It doesn't even have to be something you like, just something to pay the bills. The only problem is I have yet to find such a profession (although a friend of mine tells me nothing like that exists).

[.¤ skitz ¤.]

eat more chicken. :tup:

[Shinto]

It's my belief that human nature causes us to be so ... relaxed. Or at least, people shouldn't, naturally, feel so stressed or overworked. Personally anyway, I'm really relaxed and easy going and as I said several times, lazy as hell.

It got to the extreme in second year when I kept putting off assignments until the last minute. Then, all of a sudden, I was like "fuck it", and I just left the assignments pass me by. As you probably guessed, grades weren't all that good.

It's funny cause in a workplace setting, I'll work my ass off. I'll be the hardest working employee no matter where I go. But when it comes to school, it's not that I don't give a shit, but seriously, I've been working so hard since the start of this semester, that I've had no free time to myself, almost at all. And I'm so used to spending long days just doing nothing. That it really sucks. And in the long run, I gotta ask if it's worth it (the University diploma that is).

I don't strive for much; my own place and a nice paying job that allows me to live comfortably and without stress. I just hate the fact I have to go through so many damn years for some stupid piece of paper that says I am qualified. Hell, I was making more than I have ever made last year working as a pixel artist, and beyond being self-taught, I didn't have any "technical" qualifications.

Damn did I write this?

I;m like the same way, I moved down to Jacksonville to see if I can do something here, well no luck and Im moving back to NY, to go to college and work a crap job, damn.:sad:


major in business...easiest major ever

Damn thats the truth

[Wolfgang McFierce]

yea um...i'm a business major and have no idea what you're talking about



He must be an engineering/math/science major.

[Serp's Attorney]

End it

[ViciousSLASH]

Start a website.

Then as you are failing your website will chronical your failure on the interweb for all to see.

[hihi]

Become a physicist and challenge yourself.

[HeaT]

Damn thats the truth

business easiset major ever?

i guess you guys havent heard of sociology or psychology, or consumer and family sciences...ya, or why dont you look through your university's list of majors and see how much more easy bullshit majors there are...

im outi

Roberth

[buyproduct]

I never really had this laziness problem. I always wanted to work real hard to set up for a real lazy retirement life. I dont want to work till I am 70 just to get by. I am a chemist right working on completing my pHD and I think my hard work has payed off. Dont mean to sound rude or elitest but you need to stop making excuses for your failures. If saying your lazy makes you feel better about the situation you put yourself in then I feel you truly are lost. Play to win. Quit making excuses. I see way too many of the undergrads I TAed make the same excuses.

[hihi]

business easiset major ever?

i guess you guys havent heard of sociology or psychology, or consumer and family sciences...ya, or why dont you look through your university's list of majors and see how much more easy bullshit majors there are...

im outi

Roberth

Why don't you try majoring in psychology before you go off saying how easy it is to major in it? If it's assumed that psychology majors have it easy, you have no idea, boy.

[Thongboy Bebop]

The laziness will never leave you. I have pretty much a dream job, and I still struggle to keep myself motivated sometimes. No matter how much you love what you do, the laziness is a separate burden you have to fix on your own time.

It ain't life, man. It's us.

N

[Serpent]

Why don't you try majoring in psychology before you go off saying how easy it is to major in it? If it's assumed that psychology majors have it easy, you have no idea, boy.

lol, it's easy. You just happen to be extremely stupid, and that's why you think it's hard. How about you try majoring in other subjects and tell us how that works out for you? Might I suggest Engineering, Math or Science. You'll then see the difference between actual work and the poppycock that you call a major.

[white shadow]

lol It's kind of funny how even at the highest level of education there are internal tiers that govern what is a worthwhile or fruitless major.

I guess for some, you just can't win. Communications FTW!

[HeaT]

Why don't you try majoring in psychology before you go off saying how easy it is to major in it? If it's assumed that psychology majors have it easy, you have no idea, boy.


lol, you cant be serious...why dont you try majoring in egineering or math, or physics or some sort of sciences...then come back and let me know what you think...

oh, just saw serpents post LOL...sorry...

also i forgot about communications being an easy major lol...

im outi

Roberth

[Pablo_the_Mex]

Any good school/univ. will not be easy. It is pointless trying to say which majors would be easier. Some people are good at math while others can write brilliant 10 page essays with out a problem.

I will say this. The laziness part you just need to deal with it. You won't wake up tomorrow and say. "Today I won't be lazy!"

You already know what your faults are, DEAL WITH THEM.

Since you are already on a certain path, you may as well finish it. A degree will never hurt your chances of employment. Whether you actually use the degree, well that's up to you as well.

JUST DO IT.

[fishjie]

lol remember that tier list i came up with for the majors? I think I called english literature amingo tier. :rofl: good times

Lets see, I'd say Womens Studies would be Roll tier. heheh I wonder if RokChik is reading this.... Although I guess if you're a guy, you automatically fail. I had a guy friend take it and get an 4 point, but he's gay. Go figure.

I think my advice to the thread starter is to major in something you're passionate about. If nothing excites you, then drop out of college. You dont really need it. Most of the time, all it does is help you get a boring job. Ask yourself, do you really want to be stuck in a soul-less 9-5 job, 5 days a week, when before you know it the next thing you know you're 45, married with kids, and looking back and realizing the past two decades of your life have been meaningless?

anyway, I wouldn't really worry about your major being useless. The thing is, I have a handful of friends who majored in Amingo tier stuff like lit, psych, international studies, etc, and have decent high paying jobs. The thing is, the major is just to get a college diploma. chances are, the stuff you learn in a major (especially if its humanities bs), is completely worthless for your carreer. You should only be learning it because you genuinely care about the subject material.

which is again why i stress its important you find a major you are passionate about. because if not, wtf not only are you wasting your time you're miserable too. just go to a bs community college and get a job right away, at least you'll be making money. i have a friend who did that, and she's got a nice job at amazon HR now.

[Sonic_Reaper]

Wow, thanks for the support guys! I'm glad to hear I am not the only one.

I don't mean to get too philosophical here, but, many of the pressures I feel are pressed upon me by other people and their expectations. For example, I've seen my parents get screwed royally by the education system (which between countries blew big donkey balls in the 80's and 90's) and I don't want to fall into the same trap. Besides that, I have some friends in University who are in their fourth year, and they're going to graduate this summer. I grew up with some of these people and because I took last year off, I'm a year behind.

My biggest fear is that while I enjoy doing certain things, there is nothing I enjoy doing 40 hours a week. Even if the pay was extremely good. The closest thing I got was making pixel graphics for cell phones and handhelds. I worked a stready 20-30 hours a week, but even then, I was so, so, soooo lazy many times that I did all the work before it was due. As such I was almost fired for presenting some really craptastic work which required like 20+ hours of work, and which I only put about 8 hours into. It made me ask, "What the hell is my ideal job? Is there one? Will I ever find it?", and I became scared in a way, because what if my "character flaw" causes me these same problems all my life.

I've tried overcoming the laziness, but whenever I sit down and put my mind to anything, I suddenly get very tired. My brain stops functioning, and if I am reading for example, the words will have no meaning. On the other hand, if I am wasting time online (like I am now :rofl: ), there's no problem. I still feel tired, but ... that lazy feeling is gone.

Bear with me, but recently, and since I was like 16, I've thought that being a model would be an awesome job. Yeah, it sounds hella homo, but seriously, you get paid huge bucks, you get to travel the world, it requires no brain power, and your face is plastered all over the place. Over the past 3 months I've lost 30 pounds (might be even more now), and went from 180 to 150 now. So ... that distant dream has motivated me somewhat. But honestly, I live in the middle of fucking nowhere, am dirt poor, and honestly, education really is more important than chasing some crack pipe dream. And who knows, maybe I won't even like that?

With all the pressure and stigma of lacking education, it's just really ... annoying. Sometimes I just wish I were all by myself, with or without education, but without someone nagging me to do this and that, and without having myself compared to my peers. I don't strive for much. I don't really want to be rich or famous. Sure, it would be nice, but living a quiet comfortable, stress-free life would be best suited for me (I feel anyway).


I think the reason why we're that way with school, is because we've been in it for so long that we need something new.

Oh shit son I feel you! 15 years of my fucking life sitting in a box staring at some bald dude lecturing. If God had any mercy he would strike me dead now. I want something new. I want something fresh. I want to escape this shit called our education system.


not to mention Ive been partying like a maniac this year so going into a full time stundent is gonna be like prison for me, I really dont even know if Im capable ...

You probably won't believe me but partying gets old. I started going hard at 14, and didn't stop till I was 17 or 18 or so. But after awhile ... it did start to get old. That was no longer any solace, no anticipation for the next big event or party. And that may not seems like long years, but we're talking about 3 months straight binges (10 in the morning till 4 in the morning non-stop drinking, all accross Europe).


I hate to say I am 'lost', but shit, it is the only thing that comes to mind.

Yeah, I don't like using that word either. I know where I stand, and I know where I could potentially go, but the route getting there just seems really uncertain.

[qupte]In terms of finishing your work, try and do a project outside of a class assignment, something exclusively for you that you thought up.[/quote]

I honestly have almost no time. However this may change. I just quit a job. I was working two jobs and was a full time student. But that was BRUTAL, so I had to quit one of my jobs. And honestly, most times when I get home from school, I just don't have any energy. The only thing I really do in my free time is play Red Alert 2 (it's like the old school WoW; just as addictive).


the problem is you're not motivated towards your future. look at jobs you want and figure how to get them using school and develop a career path so you have clear goals.

I went to the art department here at our University and asked them about careers in graphic design and computer graphics and so on. Besides having one class here that specializes in that (and the fucking teacher would NOT let me in cause I had no prerequisites! Listen bitch, I've been working IN the industry for a year, I think I have SOME background, seriously, wtf), they basically told me, "Go to Calgary". And I was like, "With what money?", and they're like, "ZOMG student loans N00b". Fuck that. Living in Calgary is HELLA expensive, let us not mention going to school, and being in debt with student loans after all that.

I met many people working as pixel artists last year, and some graduated from schools in Calgary with student loans. One is still paying his off seven years later, with a job that pays more than $20/hour. Shit ain't right.


My passion is to be a critic. Not a movie critic, game critic, food critic, just a plain old critic. I want to criticize everything I see that sucks. I doubt there are jobs for that. Having a dream job is a myth for most people.

Ha! Sometimes I'm a really bitch in that I criticize everything, and have had people tell me and cold and detached and should become a critic. That could be fun. But that would mean going back to an English major and having to deal with all the poetry, drama and other artsy-fartsy English BS that I just hate.


So now I'm trying to go teach English in Japan. I love Tokyo and my Japanese aint to shabby I guess.

I got a TEFL (teaching English Foreign Language) certificate two years ago. But shit man, Japan is HARD to get into! It also requires driving my ass to God knows where to get a Visa, having at least $2500 in spending and prepare a long list of items. It's disgusting. Funnily enough, there were like thousands of spaces and requests for me to come to China, Taiwan and Korea. But that's like Japan-lite. So I was like "Naw". I really should have gone to at least Korea for a year though. Some of the people who were in my class flew in from various asian countries to take the course, and they were native to Canada but moved to another country because they enjoyed teaching English there so much. My only problem is that I would have to teach children. I hate children. And even teaching in general can be a real pain in the ass, and I don't really have teacher personality.

For anyone who says Sociology is an easy major. WTF are you smoking? Seriously, pass some of that shit. Sociology is fucking retarded. Half the stuff said in the class doesn't make any sense to me. Apparently students require a "sociological perspective" to everything, but I have no idea WTF that is. I'm taking a soc class in aging this year and the teacher asked us what was now causing advertisers to concentrated media attention on aging people (ie: old fogies), and I was like "Uh, cause they can make more money and the aging population is growing?", and she gave me this look like I was fucking retarded and just kinda ignored me and moved onto someone else. I felt like the biggest retard in the class and have never said anything since. Apparently, I didn't look at it from a sensitive and sociological perspective. It was too business for sociology. But seriously, it's a class you can only pretend to know what's happening in, cause the discipline seems to live in its own little world. But enough with the soc rant.


ol, it's easy. You just happen to be extremely stupid, and that's why you think it's hard.

This wasn't really directed at me, but I feel I should comment. People sometimes call me stupid or retarded, obviously when I do or say dumb shit. But ... I'm not stupid. I'm capable and have gotten consistently good marks. I'm just slow. And I won't deny it. I take a really long ass time to think things over. I have to reread text books several times over before getting the full meaning. It has occured to me that the pace at which classes move seems to be at an uncomfortable pace for one who likes to take their time. I don't want to make excuses, but maybe it's not so much laziness as my nature to take my time and work things through in manner that's comfortable for me. But that's not what University is like. It's all GO GO GO, non-stop, everyday.

Also, you guys seems to be forgetting that Universities require electives; it so happens that having a Fine Arts degree requires a science and drama/music elective. Go figure. So here I am taking Geography. The most boring fucking class in existence. How people can major in Sciences is beyond me. That shit makes me want to shoot myself in the face.

[io]

i had decent grades in hs. got out and fucked around not having any direction. finally went back and got a cs degree. of course, when i graduated, all of the jobs dried up, leaving me with no work and no experience. ended up in some shit customer service department where i still work today. i hate my job and i'm even more pissed that i wasted 4 years on that shit degree

[hihi]

lol, it's easy. You just happen to be extremely stupid, and that's why you think it's hard. How about you try majoring in other subjects and tell us how that works out for you? Might I suggest Engineering, Math or Science. You'll then see the difference between actual work and the poppycock that you call a major.


lol, you cant be serious...why dont you try majoring in egineering or math, or physics or some sort of sciences...then come back and let me know what you think...

oh, just saw serpents post LOL...sorry...

also i forgot about communications being an easy major lol...

im outi

Roberth

Actually, I'm a double major in physics and math, so unless you're triple majoring in a science, math, or engineering, I'm not impressed; don't be so quick to assume. I've just heard experiences from friends of mine that psychology is not such an easy major.

[fishjie]

oh come on dude. youre on some hardcore shit double majoring in PHYSICS AND MATH, and youre not rolling your eyes at your friends when they complain about how "difficult" psych is?

[PsychoSquall]

Hopefully you won't become like me in a couple of years....

[hihi]

oh come on dude. youre on some hardcore shit double majoring in PHYSICS AND MATH, and youre not rolling your eyes at your friends when they complain about how "difficult" psych is?

Well, I've never taken a class in it so I wouldn't know how difficult it is. I imagine it wouldn't be as difficult as working with EM radiation tensors and such, but I can't really criticize it until I see how it is.

[Kalypso]

Mmm, I felt similarly, and went emo on my friend on msn. She said 'You can't fail in life as long as you try, unless you stab someone or something ;P'. After that I just kind of got over it. Funny how such a ridiculously simple quote, phrased with emoticons and jokes can get something through so clearly.

Even if you have to work some shitty job, even if you feel depressed for awhile, you really can't fail in life if you just put some effort in where you feel it's needed. School not for you? Don't go for awhile, work or whatever. If needed, you can always go back. Do what you want.

[Shibuya]

A lil suggestion to all yall college kids or whatever......but first ill tell ya my story....i joined the Airforce after highschool....got out in may 06.....had hella fun in it but wanted more....now im in CT doing the exact same thing i did in the military....making 25 an hour and sitting on my ass on shoryuken right now at work.....easy job....good money....but i dont feel challenged at all...I compare my job to playing the computer on SF at the easiest level. Now im thinking about with all this money i have i should go back to college or open a business or something.

Hint to everyone....really sit down and figure out what you really want to do in life that you can actually go to work and be happy and not just waste 8-9 hours out of ur day. If a janitor job makes you happy then go for it...if a doctor or whatever makes you happy then go for it. Dont settle down with any job like i did....because after a while you will think back and be like damn i wish i could have did this for a living instead of the current job you have. Im 22 and by now i could have a degree in whatever i wanted probably!!!! Sit down, relax, and really think of what u wanna do for a living that will make u happy and have money. Dont wait till you are 30 and be like damn i should have done this...do it now!!!!!!!

[thurst]

Actually, I'm a double major in physics and math, so unless you're triple majoring in a science, math, or engineering, I'm not impressed; don't be so quick to assume. I've just heard experiences from friends of mine that psychology is not such an easy major.

well then your friends are stupid...seriously when you get a chance look at their homework/lack thereof. If you can read a textbook and memorize a few things you can easily ace any psych exam.

general rule of thumb, any major that lets people get off with some neutered ass version of math (ie 'Quantitative Methods' or some simillarly named trash is most likely bullshit).

[OmNiExiZt]

The best thing you can do is find out what makes you happy. Then work towards making that your career. But you are going to have to bust ass for about 4 years to see that you get that job. After that, it's smooth sailing. I had a passion for videogames as a child and thought that that's what I wanted to do. Of course I had other careers in mind like ninja and space pirate, but those are hell hard to get. As I got older I took an intrest in computers. Tried computer science out and I found out that I was to lazy to go to school for that. So I did my research on different computer fields and talked with some people. I found a field (computer networking) that you only need about 2-3 years of school for. I can also get up to about 50-60K a year if I land a good job. I'm in the military now and that's what I do. My tech school for this job was only about 6 months. Those go towards college credits and I've been taking a class here and there at my own pace, but making sure I get shit done.

Now you may think that your lazy, but I'm pretty sure I have you beat. But there comes a point where your not to lazy to do certain things. When you find something is easy, you go ahead and knock that shit out so you can get back to doing nothing. 1 class a semester is not hard at all, trust me. In about another year, I'll have my bachelors and that'll be the end of that. I've got about 10 years in the military and I like my job. I have so much free time most of the work week, that I do my homework and stuff like that online. This way when I get off from work I have time to slack. So after I do another 10 years in the military, I get to retire at 39 and collect retirement pay. Then I'm going to start another networking job probably again for the military as a civillian if I can't find anything on the outside. They'll still pay all of my bills plus I'll get payed a lot more as a civillian. Military folks hate civillians doing military jobs because they get payed monkey buttolads more money than us.

I also have a love for different types of music (especially game music). So I have music mixing software and I've been taking piano lessons. Who knows, I might be the next Yuzo Koshiro:rofl: :sweat: . It's something that I like to do and I actually get up off my ass because I enjoy it.

So my advice to you is find and easy plan. Then make what you enjoy doing into a career. I don't need to make 100K a year. Call me and underachiever if you want, but I know how to live within my means. If you want that 100K a year job, your damn sure going to WORK for it. One more thing, since your young, if you have any talents capitalize on them now. I honestly believe that I could have been the next Usher or Michael Johnson. But I didn't stick with it. Make sure you don't do the same.

*ONEZ*

[Phil McFly]

My 2 Cents:

As one of my much older friends said to me once (he's 57), essentially your basic goal in life is to be able to pay for a place to live, eat, and stay comfortable while still having money play around with/luxuries on the side. I think anyone can do this - it just may take a little more time for some than others.

I turned 23 in August, graduated with an Associates in Networking, a Bachelors in Computer Technology (programming/networking), and a minor in Management. Through school (I've given my 2 cents/rants in the employment thread about using school to get you a job), I've been a Co-Op at a Fortune 500 company for almost a year now - with potential to be hired full time. I actually enjoy this job a lot (aside from the fuckin around I do that some of you have heard). I think I've done quite well for myself.

What's that shit I just said above got to do with anything?... well I was just as lazy as you fuckers. I didn't do shit, I graduated high school with like a 2.5 - handing in tests blank, and just skipping assignments. In County College I was doing drugs and drinking most of the time (not that I've let up today), but still went to class. It kicked in when I got to college that A) I'm paying for this shit now so why waste money?... and B) Even if I'm miserable and not enjoying it, this shit isn't high school anymore. I'm not trying to build some resume to enter a college - I'm here already. Now I'm trying to build a resume to do somethign that will support me for the rest of my life.

I agree with some of the posts above, you're lazy... congratulations you realized what 90% of most college students... hardworking or not are. Man the fuck up. You're the only one whose gonna do anything about your situation... no one on SRK, not your advisors, ma, pa, no one. Some posts above... and people I know would kill to go to college. I was fortunate enough to go. I know it's expensive as hell but you got some crazy privaledge that people with no benefits and a low paycheck would kill for. If you wanna fuck up and blame your laziness, or addicting MMORPGs, or whatever do it. But there's a difference between not knowing what to do with your life, and just being straight up lazy and not doing anything at all. Whether you're addicted to games, drugs, chillin with friends etc... you're gonna have to learn moderation, to suck it up, and the time and place for everything.

And this is coming from someone whose done school, traveled, been arrested, drank himself stupid a many times, done every drug that doesn't require a needle, and has met numerous people from jail, low lives, drug dealers, high 150k+ workers, 10 year college students, high school drop outs, etc. - all people i proudly call my friends (well cept the jail ones). Maybe you just need a kick in the ass from looking at life in a bunch of different perspectives. Being lazy just doesn't cut it as an excuse anymore.

In a nutshell... my main gripe is even if you don't know what to do or are lazy... just fucking do something. Get a random job, take a random class, join some branch of the governent, volunteer. Do something... just don't bitch that you're laid back and like to chill... I mean who doesn't like that. At least you're a jack of all trades, and a master of nothing.... rather than jack shit, and a master of lethargy. Being well rounded will get you further than a blank slate.

-McFly

[virgil]

in this situation i also happen to be a part of the statistics. and I think what i want to end up doing is working from home. i just got out of highschool last year and decided to take a semester off before college (pretty much cause i procastinated doing all the college stuff i had to do my senior year)

I also am a pretty easy going guy with a generally positive outlook on people. BUT.... I've found that having being that kind of person is why I absolutley MUST go to college. I worked at a fast food place for about a month and lemme you tell you that place was hell on earth. looong tiresome hours, and people talking shit and gossiping about everyone else 24/7. I couldnt stand it much longer, but like you i just want to get by without having to work in a really stressful job demanding alot of manual labor and inflicting so much mental duress. So yeah, I started thinking about working from home and so far i like the idea but still am unsure.

[Satomiblood]

business easiset major ever?

i guess you guys havent heard of sociology or psychology, or consumer and family sciences...ya, or why dont you look through your university's list of majors and see how much more easy bullshit majors there are...

I've got to co-sign on this. One thing I find funny about people that've taken a few psyc courses is that they're quick to paint themselves as experts in the field.

[OmNiExiZt]

My 2 Cents:



Phil McFly makes a good point. Most importantly. Those times when your sitting around for hours on end not doing shit and complaing about being board is when you should be doing something. Your not doing nothing else, so what's holding you back?

*ONEZ*

[Serpent]

Actually, I'm a double major in physics and math, so unless you're triple majoring in a science, math, or engineering, I'm not impressed; don't be so quick to assume. I've just heard experiences from friends of mine that psychology is not such an easy major.

Oh that's nice, so basically you just admitted you're a hypocrite. You told people not to comment on the difficulty without taking it, yet you've never taken it yourself. You are an idiot.

You're probably lying about the your major or go to a shit school, but whatever, I don't care about that. What does annoy me is how you can argue in such a womanly way, devoid of any semblance of logic or accountability on your part. I've actually taken a few psychology courses. I've gotten all As while everyone else complained about how difficult it was. They were the easiest classes I took every semester. I didn't go to any of the lectures, and just skimmed the book an hour or so before the midterm/final. The reason why the other people were complaining is because of how stupid they are, and the fact that they've never actually taken a difficult class. It's like how people think RPGs are "hard" and require "strategy" without playing a fighting game competitively. I remember during the gamefaqs character battle a few years ago I read the board, and I'd see arguments like that. It was just ridiculous. When you don't challenge yourself, you don't improve your skills. That's true for absolutely everything.

[duhaas21]

After reading this thread, I have to kinnda agree with thrustotherapy. You get what you put in this life, and if you do no work and are lazy, then why should you expect any results or any resolutions about what to do with your life. If you want to drop out of colloge then fine, but don't bitch in 5 years when your job sucks ass.

Of course, you are not nessicarilly gurrented anything with a college degree, but you sure as hell ain't gurrenteed nothing without it.

I would say if you are having trouble staying motivated, then set goals for your self. They can be long term or short, but just so long as you have a goal. Myself, being a SF player and all, am a very competitive person. I hate to lose. And failing out of college would be losing in my book, cause i didn't finish what i started. Man the fuck up, and gut this shit though. I view school (and each of the classes i take, and each of the assignments I have to do) as a game. And games were meant to be won. Whatever that goal is whaether it is to get a 3.0 GPA or to graduate, see it as a game and try to win it.

[MOD]

I got a TEFL (teaching English Foreign Language) certificate two years ago. But shit man, Japan is HARD to get into! It also requires driving my ass to God knows where to get a Visa, having at least $2500 in spending and prepare a long list of items. It's disgusting. Funnily enough, there were like thousands of spaces and requests for me to come to China, Taiwan and Korea. But that's like Japan-lite. So I was like "Naw". I really should have gone to at least Korea for a year though. Some of the people who were in my class flew in from various asian countries to take the course, and they were native to Canada but moved to another country because they enjoyed teaching English there so much. My only problem is that I would have to teach children. I hate children. And even teaching in general can be a real pain in the ass, and I don't really have teacher personality.



Well I dont have my TEFL yet(still working on it) but I have lived in Tokyo briefly In know what its like. I also have good connections there. But yeah the 2500$ is hard to come up with but apparently you really dont have to teach if you dont want to. I mean really you just show up for 4 hours a day 5 days a week. The money is good to. Most places in Japan want a BA in something though. You can still get a job with TEFL. But if anyone likes Japan or thinks they like Japan as much I do, then I would recommend looking into careers there. I honestly can't wait to go back.

[Quantum Delta]

Oh that's nice, so basically you just admitted you're a hypocrite. You told people not to comment on the difficulty without taking it, yet you've never taken it yourself. You are an idiot.

You're probably lying about the your major or go to a shit school, but whatever, I don't care about that. What does annoy me is how you can argue in such a womanly way, devoid of any semblance of logic or accountability on your part. I've actually taken a few psychology courses. I've gotten all As while everyone else complained about how difficult it was. They were the easiest classes I took every semester. I didn't go to any of the lectures, and just skimmed the book an hour or so before the midterm/final. The reason why the other people were complaining is because of how stupid they are, and the fact that they've never actually taken a difficult class. It's like how people think RPGs are "hard" and require "strategy" without playing a fighting game competitively. I remember during the gamefaqs character battle a few years ago I read the board, and I'd see arguments like that. It was just ridiculous. When you don't challenge yourself, you don't improve your skills. That's true for absolutely everything.

hihi posting from Quantum Delta:

Okay buddy. Maybe you're a genius who thinks everything's easy? Maybe the "few" courses you took happen to be elementary level because quite possibly, you don't touch the upper-division courses unless you're a psych major.

I agree, I'm no judge of how difficult psych majors have it, but how could you criticize it unless you're in the actual program yourself? I've heard people go, "Yeah, I'm super good at math, why are you majoring in math? You just calculate numbers all day and take derivatives, etc." Are they permitted to judge math majors in such a way because they've taken a "few" classes in math? Have they considered dealing with abstract algebra, real analysis, topology, etc?

In other words, I could state that I've taken a "few" chemistry courses; since the physics program required 3 quarters of general chemisry, and I thought it was extremely easy, to the point where it was a joke. Can I say, "Damn, chemistry majors have it so much easier"?

But hey, I'm just an idiot, right?

[Soujiro Seta]

There are few people, if any, who have probably never had the thought, "So, what do I want to do with my life?" And this thought has very likely come even when we're in college as well. I think it partially stems from the way we're educated these days. We go through grade school and high school, and many of us go through college, but we're in school so much that we don't have much experience with or knowledge of fields that might interest us. Sometimes, I wonder if apprenticeships were actually a better way.

Work is a part of life, but I don't think it defines one's life, nor should it. "Work to live, not live to work," as the saying goes. The reason we work is to support a lifestyle that brings us personal satisfaction. Our life is about personal growth and attaining personal goals. Free time allows us to pursue our personal interests, and to meet basic needs (housing, food, clothing, etc) requires money, so we work to earn money to meet those basic needs, and the time and money we have left over is our "personal profit," which we can put toward whatever end we deem best.

Look at it this way: I like playing video games. No one pays me to play them, and I would play them over doing many other possible activities. So from the standpoint of pure satisfaction, video games are on a high level than "work." Now, this is where I think some of us have a misplaced idea of "laziness." If money is taken out of the equation, almost anyone would prefer doing a recreational hobby over whatever they do for work. Some of us self-interpret that as laziness, but it's not. It's simply a recognition of one's predisposition to do the things that are most satisfying to them. Laziness isn't when someone thinks going to a movie is about a hundred times more interesting than typing up a TPS report; laziness is when someone can't be assed to wake up and go to their 11 AM class when they live two blocks from the university.

Of course, a job will occupy about a third of your day for a good 40 or so years, so it pays untold dividends to really seek out one you like (or at the very least, don't dislike). Personally, I feel that if I'm not working in an area I'm interested in, that third of my day I spend at work is wasted time in which I'm not "growing" in any area I actually care about. For instance, I'm an English major, so for a full-time job, I'd like something that, as I do it, increases my skill in writing and editing, maybe expand my vocabulary and solidify my knowledge of the rules of English grammar. That makes me feel more fulfilled, and it gives me a stronger base in my expertise for any future jobs. If I take my English major and I'm just doing customer support for a company, how am I growing? I'm growing better at customer support, but that's not what I care about growing in, and I don't want jobs in that area in the future, so I'd feel like I was wasting my time.

I'm not just throwing out some arbitrary "Man up!" here - I know that these decisions are tough ones to make. But, at any given time, you should be weighing your options, exploring some new venues, and seeking the answer to that burning question, "What do I want to do with my life?" It may take a while to find the answer, and there may never be a specific answer for you. But this is an issue where even just figuring out some essence of what you want can be a big boon, and can set you on a course where you can refine your goals and career hopes.

[Serpent]

hihi posting from Quantum Delta:

Okay buddy. Maybe you're a genius who thinks everything's easy? Maybe the "few" courses you took happen to be elementary level because quite possibly, you don't touch the upper-division courses unless you're a psych major.

I agree, I'm no judge of how difficult psych majors have it, but how could you criticize it unless you're in the actual program yourself? I've heard people go, "Yeah, I'm super good at math, why are you majoring in math? You just calculate numbers all day and take derivatives, etc." Are they permitted to judge math majors in such a way because they've taken a "few" classes in math? Have they considered dealing with abstract algebra, real analysis, topology, etc?

In other words, I could state that I've taken a "few" chemistry courses; since the physics program required 3 quarters of general chemisry, and I thought it was extremely easy, to the point where it was a joke. Can I say, "Damn, chemistry majors have it so much easier"?

But hey, I'm just an idiot, right?

Man up and admit your mistake instead of constantly trying to place blame on others to remove the focus from yourself, it's not like it's helping you any. It absolutely does not matter whether I say something is easy or not, it matters that YOU said something was harder without first hand knowledge, while at the same time arguing that others are not qualified to comment because they themselves do not have the first hand knowledge. Again, you fail to see the glaring flaw in each of your posts. Do you even know what you are trying to argue? Yes, you are just an idiot. You can't conduct a basic debate/argument, because you lack the ability to logically understand what you are trying to argue.

Since I am not bound to your same flawed argument, I can make this additional one: you can tell the rigor of something as an observer, based on the amount and type of information processed at a given point, and the work output expected. So I can easily tell you that a lawyer is certainly more intelligent and works harder than a grade school teacher, even though I haven't really intensively done either. I can tell you science, with the subject matter studied, the lab work expected, and the amount of time these things take, on top of observations of students of various majors in undergrad, requires more work than the "soft" humanities. An actor might put in more hours than a doctor, but I sure as hell would rate a doctor's job as "harder."

[Quantum Delta]

Since I am not bound to your same flawed argument, I can make this additional one: you can tell the rigor of something as an observer, based on the amount and type of information processed at a given point, and the work output expected. So I can easily tell you that a lawyer is certainly more intelligent and works harder than a grade school teacher, even though I haven't really intensively done either. I can tell you science, with the subject matter studied, the lab work expected, and the amount of time these things take, on top of observations of students of various majors in undergrad, requires more work than the "soft" humanities. An actor might put in more hours than a doctor, but I sure as hell would rate a doctor's job as "harder."

I understand your point of view, but if the humanities are so soft, why is there a nobel prize in literature and not one in math, which is obviously harder?

Also, what if a person has "talent" rather than intelligence and is a genius? The famous composers that are well known are called geniuses for their work in music, yet probably can't even factor a polynomial.

Are we to judge intelligence strictly by "what's more difficult to understand by the majority" or by "what is easy to understand by the minority (talent-wise)?

[MOD]

I understand your point of view, but if the humanities are so soft, why is there a nobel prize in literature and not one in math, which is obviously harder?


Its called Chemistry and Physics. derp.

[Serpent]

I understand your point of view, but if the humanities are so soft, why is there a nobel prize in literature and not one in math, which is obviously harder?

Also, what if a person has "talent" rather than intelligence and is a genius? The famous composers that are well known are called geniuses for their work in music, yet probably can't even factor a polynomial.

Are we to judge intelligence strictly by "what's more difficult to understand by the majority" or by "what is easy to understand by the minority (talent-wise)?

Just because something is harder does not mean it gets recognition or more compensation. The only thing it means is that it is harder. The prizes are in their own selected fields as well, so winning a prize just indicates you are worthy of a prize in your field, it does not speak anything about your relative worth to a non-prize winner in another field, whether that field recieves an award or not. There is absolutely no logical reason why the award of a nobel prize would mean anything in this discussion. Actors recieve Oscars, does that mean they're doing a more difficult job than our President, or your doctor?

Don't confuse succeeding at the very highest levels of something as the average of the usual levels. If you want to compare the very best musicians to the very best mathematicians, then you will have a more fair comparison. Can the average person do either? Probably not. Is the average college level music course less rigorous than the average college level math class? More than likely. Do we have a basis of comparison there in terms of difficulty? I think so. The argument is not about talent or genius, it is about the general intellectual and time commitment needed for college level courses in different fields. If you want to make a thread about intelligence and talent, go make the thread. If you want to concede the college level argument and move on, you can do that too. But trying to indirectly "prove" your point by ridiculous tangents and indirect evidence is just dumb.

If you want to discuss what intelligence is, again, you need another thread for that. You can also concede your original assertion, and move on to that as well.

I do not think you are on my level for this. Just give up already.

[akumatrunigga]

I sat in my home one day and I got tired of the whining as well. After i lost my job, (34,000K a year) It has been difficult lately trying to get a job even around the same salary range. I do have a a year of professional experience and a a degree in marketing but at the same time i have some serious goals I want to accomplish. I gave up trying to get a shitty ass 9-5 and decided to go to Real Estate school with Coldwell Banker. I do currently have a shitty $8/hr job while im working on my RE license and looking for opportunities in RE. I'll admit it is bullshit that a individual who has a 2.9/4.0 in college and a year of professional experience out of college cant get a job right away. However, I wont let it phase me at all. I have to get the job done if i want outtie of my folks crib and make those moves in RE.

[Phudge]

I graduated from HS in 2001, went right into college the following fall semester. I did alright the first year, 2001-02, barely made it through the fall '02 semester, and completely crapped out of the spring '03 semester. They made me wait half a year to go back, so I go back in spring of '04. I do no better, and there I go, out on my ass. I don't know what the problem was; I did awesome in high school, they even voted me first to make a million dollars. It may be that I just wasn't cut out for a full four-year school. I know that not everybody is.

So, I've been sitting at home since then trying to figure out when I'm going back - I won't hold my breath, though.

[Night]

business easiset major ever?

i guess you guys havent heard of sociology or psychology, or consumer and family sciences...ya, or why dont you look through your university's list of majors and see how much more easy bullshit majors there are...

im outi

Roberth

I think what they mean by that is it's the easier major to finish AND easier to end up getting a decent job upon graduating. I tend to agree. That's what happened to me, heh.

[Sonic_Reaper]

No, thanks for the encouragement guys. I didn't come here to simply have everyone hold hands and circle jerk. It really puts things into perspective when someone tells you that they are where they are because of hard work. And really, as has been said, you get out of life what you put into it. There's really no way around it. I may bitch and moan all I want, but at the end of the day, that 90% isnt' going to just come around, I have to work my ass off to get it.

And guess what? The first two assignments I just had handed back were both over 90% (first was 98% and the second 92%) in two different classes. And I did work pretty hard on both. The strange thing is that, I definitely still felt I slacked SOME and I could have done better here and there. The marks definitely surprised me though, and reminded me of the times back in Elementary and High School when I actually studied and work my ass off for good marks.

I think that's something I lost over the years, but not completely. "Hard work" is not something you can lose really, the potential is always there. I just have to suck it up, sit my ass down, and do it. There's no way around it. So thanks for the support guys.

And yeah, I think I would love it in Japan. After I get my degree, I should be able to take a few years off and just travel (while making money), since I will then have a degree AND TEFL, I should be able to get into damn near any country I want.

[defcon]

[blablabla im an underachieving lazy bastard /emo/emo/emo]



You, my friend, have no fucking discipline. Unfortunately, I speak from personal experience. You need to be ripped out of your comfort zone and put into situations where you'll constantly have to face new challenges. Seek Hardship.

[ParryAll]

I don't have any ambitions or dreams. I'm not artistic, and I have no talent whatsoever.

I am good at math, so I decided to go for Accounting major. Lots of jobs/firms, good pay, good living, I'll have good money, a nice car, and my shit together proper. Wearin top of the line suits, gettin made hot socialite girls.

That's my dream. Just fuckin get that paper. You're lazy so don't do anything that actually requires work after you leave the office, like Lawyer, Doctor.....go for Pharmacy, huge money and you don't do shit.

I decided though I wanna be a nutritionist now, cause I'm into health and lifting and shit like that. So maybe I'll minor in that if possible.

I might do college profesor in Accounting but I think you need a doctorate.....that shit would be easy as hell.......any kind of teacher job is easy as hell, and you have freedom to do it however the fuck you want. and summers off can't beat that shit.

[defcon]

I don't have any ambitions or dreams. I'm not artistic, and I have no talent whatsoever.

<poorly articulated delusional thinking>



Right. See you @ McDonald's in two or three years, when I PCS back to the states. And no, I won't want fries with that.

[Obliterate]

The problem is that your lazy. Get off your ass and stop making excuses. From the way you sound it sounds like your parents are helping you pay for college, but that's not how the real world works. I had to work a full-time job, pay bills, and go to college full-time, it's difficult. You are lazy because you don't have any responsibilities (I'm guessing) outside of college. What are you going to do when your parents can't help you anymore? Trust me the real world sucks, and what you do in college will set you up for life. College isn't supposed to be fun, yes it is boring, but your grades and diploma will help you get a job and succeed in the real world. Doing half assed jobs or giving up will get you a minimum wage job at Wal-Mart and not having enough money to support yourself.

I dealt with it by having to face the realities of life before I even started college, I had to pay bills, work, wake up early as hell, and come home dead beat ass tired, and I realized that having my degree was the only way I could work up from a dead end job and being able to support myself. I also find having a physically active hobby (such as weightlifting, cardio, and martial arts) definetly gives me inspiration and additional energy to handle the mundayne things of life. Also having a job in your field while you go to college kind of gives you perspective on why you are going to college.

[BornAgainCommunist]

I think it was Jim Brown who said....
It's easy to make an excuse for your whole life.