switch glitch vs timed hit

[shoultzula]

Theres been some weird openers happening lately. Like a non switched ironman s.fk beating a switch glitch storm s.jab. s.fk is not supposed to beat s.jab like that And non switch magnus c.lk vs switch glitch strider c.jab.

im starting to think that timing the hit in the beginning beats switch glitches.

anyone know whats up with that?

[Preppy]

Mag's c jab and Strider's c short are the same speed: frame data (http://www.video-opera.com/features/mvc2/mvc2-joo.php).

Iron Man's fierce kick is three frames (2 frames for df fierce), same as Storm's jab (3 frames). So Storm will either trade or get beat.

EDIT: You said Magnus' cShort, not cJab, which of course beats out anything Strider has. My bad. But that also makes it more apparent why that works.

[Devil X]

in both instances youre talking about moves that are faster than the ones glitched.

magnetos d+lk is 1 frame, striders d+lp is 2 frames.

ironmans df+hk is 2 frames, storms standing jab is 3 frames.

with great timing it is possible but not the norm. 9/10 the glitched character will win out, the timing has to be flawless from the person who isn't glitched.

[shoultzula]

mixup makes it look easy then.

literally 8\10 he will beat out my switch glitch vs his timed hit. It has come to the point where I just stopped trying to beat him in the beginning.

I forgot that the df+launcher is faster than normal launcher.

so a timed hit can be perfectly timed to be just as fast as a switch glitch?

[Devil X]

apparently so? i've never really ran into a player who could do it consistantly.

[shoultzula]

I wanted to ask one more thing:

if 2 people switch glitch storm and they both do switch s.lp, It should trade right? I had a friend beat me out clean the other day and we both did the same thing.:confused:

I have gotten away with switch c.lp with strider vs switch magnus c.lk. Doesnt happen often but I think marvel just decides that strider is going to win the opener even though the #'s say he shouldn't.

I've seen my fair share of marvel glitches. I'm convinced that the game does what it wants sometimes.

[Mixah]

sometimes non-glitched cable's c.lp beats magneto's glitched c.lk

in the end.... every question that you can possibly ask, can be answered by one response:
"It's Marvel... let it be"

[gouki10]

False

cases where both mags do a switched glitch c.lk at the start, and one beats the other means that one player wait too long before fight came on the screen and didn't hold the button.

it has happenned to me, and to my friends.

i think people get afraid that someone might look at there stick and choose a counter openner before the start so they choose to hold at the last sec., but apparently that may cost you the openning all together.=P

[UCRJesse]

sometimes non-glitched cable's c.lp beats magneto's glitched c.lk

in the end.... every question that you can possibly ask, can be answered by one response:
"It's Marvel... let it be"

that doesn't ever happen. that only hits mag if he jumps

[Mixah]

no, actually, it does happen. it's rare, but it's happened.

[Radiant93]

i think it also happened to me the other day.

[Devil X]

It's difficult to say something like "that's impossible" when talking about marvel, but I truly believe it is. Knowing frame data and hit boxes, I can't see how magneto's d+lk glitched could ever lose point blank to cable who's doing anything. cable doesn't even have two frame hit attacks, and his hit box while crouching is fat.

[Mixah]

It's difficult to say something like "that's impossible" when talking about marvel, but I truly believe it is. Knowing frame data and hit boxes, I can't see how magneto's d+lk glitched could ever lose point blank to cable who's doing anything. cable doesn't even have two frame hit attacks, and his hit box while crouching is fat.

It's due to hitboxes. Cable's legs are weird where sometimes, for whatever reason, even grounded, they just don't get hit.. So the c.lp beats the c.lk because the c.lk doesn't register as actually hitting them. I had a match where if you slowed it down, you see magneto's c.lk come out, but cable still gets the first hit. it's weird.

[Devil X]

i would love to see that vid, or anyone who could show me of vid of this happening. i remember telling this to shady and y2j once that some magneto players were afraid to start with d+lk against cable in fear of his d+lp, and they looked at me like i was crazy. i've never seen magnetos d+lk lose to anything it was suppose to beat, so to me even if this has happened it would not be worth it anyway since most of the time cable would be hit at the start and die trying to get that hit in.

[Radiant93]

yeah.. host it up, i would also like to see that vid.

[Mixup]

Whats up with timing magnetos c.lk vs the glitched magnus c.lk and WINNING....wtf

and vs cable/cyc in the beginning i hate attacking him, random c.lp super powers+ cyc invincibility make it too nasty to get em'

I've seen too many different openers win at times they shouldn't to CLAIM that i know what i'm talking about.

[UCRJesse]

It's due to hitboxes. Cable's legs are weird where sometimes, for whatever reason, even grounded, they just don't get hit.. So the c.lp beats the c.lk because the c.lk doesn't register as actually hitting them. I had a match where if you slowed it down, you see magneto's c.lk come out, but cable still gets the first hit. it's weird.

it's called human error... The only way mag short will lose to cable jab is if you or the stick messes up. Once in a while a mag with jump or something and say "WHAT THE FUCK MAN YOUR JAB BEAT MY C. SHORT." Doesn't mean you should believe it every time.

[Mixup]

Why is it that i've seen this boshit more than a few times?

please don't bother with a shitty timing human error repeat.

[Mixah]

it's called human error... The only way mag short will lose to cable jab is if you or the stick messes up. Once in a while a mag with jump or something and say "WHAT THE FUCK MAN YOUR JAB BEAT MY C. SHORT." Doesn't mean you should believe it every time.

you know what?

that does make a lot more sense.

[beatsofdevil]

in both instances youre talking about moves that are faster than the ones glitched.

magnetos d+lk is 1 frame, striders d+lp is 2 frames.

ironmans df+hk is 2 frames, storms standing jab is 3 frames.

with great timing it is possible but not the norm. 9/10 the glitched character will win out, the timing has to be flawless from the person who isn't glitched.
its actually not THAT hard. it was done to me too many times against MY switched glitched mag cr. lk.

so now I stopped switch glitching and tried timing it. now I usually beat out or at least trade hits.

[Mixah]

i just watch for the flash before the words fight... as soon as you see the flash.. if you hit the button between the two flashes you can beat it a lot more frequently

[Mixup]

I have never seen a special cancel into a normal until tonight

ironman lp unibeam, animation starts, cancels right after a few start up frames into lp, then i mash out another uni beam....

that shit just doesn't work.

[shoultzula]

it's called human error... The only way mag short will lose to cable jab is if you or the stick messes up. Once in a while a mag with jump or something and say "WHAT THE FUCK MAN YOUR JAB BEAT MY C. SHORT." Doesn't mean you should believe it every time.

the other day like mixup said, unibeam, cancelled out by lp, unibeam. your not allowed to do this but I witnessed it.:confused: So if this can be done, magnus' c.short can be beaten and has been beaten by other moves. I've beaten magnus openers with c.lp both with strider and cable. Its not impossible but it doesnt happen often either.

to say marvel is supposed to work a certain way is wrong. Marvel does what it wants when it wants. whos to say that winning the opener with a move thats not supposed to win isnt a glitch? I've seen too many random glitches and 1 timers to know that you cant really predict the game all the time. There are going to be instances where the rules dont apply. Thats marvel.

marvel is buggy. once you turn the game on and start figthing, anything can happen. Im convniced that the game is alive.

[UCRJesse]

Im convniced that the game is alive.

well thats because you are stupid