Killer Instinct thread (zbattle).

[redeyedol]

Ook, there are people who love KI, and people who hate it, and this thread is for those who love it. So if you don't like KI, please take your "this game sucks" elsewhere.

Anyway, the KI scene is actually quite alive and active on zbattle, and if you ever want to have a good match, I made a very good list of the people who you are to look out for:

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Skill-based Color Code:
Red = Master
Green = Expert
Blue = Advanced
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USA:
SaBrE (former XBAND player "Cyber Crip (U*D)")
BentLeeT
Atmos
Unknown
Wavedasher (a.k.a. "ShadowSonic")
paul
SIN
monki

Canada:
redeyedol <--- that's me, roar
RICHY

Mexico:
JAG

Dominican Republic:
-D-Hunter

Brazil:
Bladerunne (also goes by "callori_br")

United Kingdom:
Ultima

Germany:
Combo2 (also goes by "Sgt.PeterFuck")

Romania:
replicant (also goes by "Ciggar" / "Roman")
Jin

Undefined:
JinKazama (this guy often tries to pass off as a scrub - don't let him fool you, he's an expert!!)


NOTE:
Players who's names are in italics have been absent from the scene for a while, and have not been heard from since. Hopefully these guys will come back, though.


There are of course also a bunch of scrubs, newbs and intermediate players on zbattle as well, so if the pros are too much for you, you can still play vs the rest. But I wouldn't mind havin a match if you offered me one. :wink:

WE ARE LOOKIN FOR FORMER X-BAND PLAYERS TO JOIN THE ONLINE KI SCENE!! IF YOU USED TO PLAY ON X-BAND BACK IN THE DAY AND ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYIN KI AGAIN, PLEASE TRY OUT ZBATTLE - IT'S WORTH A SHOT!!

[Dracula_X]

Add D-Hunter to that list

[redeyedol]

-D-Hunter already is in that list.. I put him under his country, Dominican Republic, lol. Really good player I must say.

[Dracula_X]

I must be going blind i guess :P

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Unknown
Combo (not 2)

[redeyedol]

Unknown
Combo (not 2)

Unknown doesn't seem to play KI anymore (never see him make any KI games), and I don't know exactly how good he is/was. I'll ask some of the older guys if he was any good, or I'll face him for myself and see what I can make out of him. Also, I've never heard of an expert goin by "Combo" on zbattle, only Combo2 (who also goes by Sgt.PeterFuck). If I see this "Combo" around, I'll face him and see if he's deservin of a spot on that list.

[RushedDown]

i use to go about even with unkown he was pretty good

u can add me to the list for usa
i dont have net access right now but as soon as i do again ill be playing on zbattle

[redeyedol]

i use to go about even with unkown he was pretty good

u can add me to the list for usa
i dont have net access right now but as soon as i do again ill be playing on zbattle

I'll have to face you first before I can add you to the list. It's easy to say "I'm one of the top", but the guys I listed down are at huge levels in terms of skill, so for me to add you to the list, I'd have to face you first, then see if you are anywhere near expert level in this game. I don't want to sound mean or anythin - no disrespect intended - I just think it's neccessary for me to play someone first before I ever consider addin them (or be recommended by 2 or more other experts). Hit me up as soon as you get zbattle runnin good for you, then we'll play. :wink:

[Vints]

i used to play KI on zbattle with forumers from the old killerinstinctonline.cjb.net. RWD beat me in grand finals of the last tournament long ago.

i want to set up zbattle again. i will let you know if i can connect or not.

[Vints]

ok, i got it set up. i played somebody named SIN. man, i suck without a Guard button. Soul Calibur spoiled me. :(

[redeyedol]

ok, i got it set up. i played somebody named SIN. man, i suck without a Guard button. Soul Calibur spoiled me. :(

SIN is only an intermediate player, maybe advanced at best. He's not as good as any of the guys on the list yet. You have a lot of competition ahead of you, man. :wink:

[Vints]

redeyedol: well we just played, but u gotta get a new controller soon yo!

[redeyedol]

redeyedol: well we just played, but u gotta get a new controller soon yo!

Yeah, left doesn't seem to work for me quite well anymore. It was particularly bad in those matches we had. LOL, remember when I beat you that one round, but then left stopped workin so I couldn't walk/jump towards you to finish you off, then you came back to life and killed me? Man, that pissed me off. I need to get my gear replaced. :sad:

[redeyedol]

Hmm.. 2 players have been absent from KI - and the zbattle scene in general - for quite a while, those 2 bein Atmos and Ultima. Haven't seen Ultima even on msn these past 2 weeks.=/

[Magnifico]

I'd like to play.

[redeyedol]

I'd like to play.

I'd like to play you. This guy named sHaRp said you were good, but then again he's a scrub. I still wanna face you, though.

[Tempest253]

I'd like to play too..but i need some certain file called.. kindst.chd file or something like that! please help me..and i can home on my skills..haven't played in a while..

[StuartHayden]

I'd like to play too..but i need some certain file called.. kindst.chd file or something like that! please help me..and i can home on my skills..haven't played in a while..

Bull shit. :annoy:

You had like a 16 win streak against that one fat guy. And you owned all of us at the apartment.

Don't even try to front, bitch. :wgrin:

[Tempest253]

Bull shit. :annoy:

You had like a 16 win streak against that one fat guy. And you owned all of us at the apartment.

Don't even try to front, bitch. :wgrin:

Dammnit! Stu!

Blowing my cover! I always need help..

[Lunitik]

Bull shit. :annoy:

You had like a 16 win streak against that one fat guy. And you owned all of us at the apartment.

Don't even try to front, bitch. :wgrin:

That is so true...

U was owning all of us wit that bitch thats like a Animorph or sum shit :annoy: and TJ Combo!!! :arazz:

ULTRA!!

[redeyedol]

I'd like to play too..but i need some certain file called.. kindst.chd file or something like that! please help me..and i can home on my skills..haven't played in a while..

kindst.chd is the main image file required for KI to run on MAME. I can't help you with that here, as this site forbids it. Sorry man. But you should give the SNES version a try - it's really worth it in the long run. Here's a lil summary I sent someone in a PM earlier when they asked me about the SNES version:

About the Super Nintendo version, I'll be honest with you - it's much better than the arcade. Sure, the arcade version has far better graphics, better sound, stretchin stages and even Shadow combos (while the SNES only has normal and turbo combos, but still has shadow moves), but the Super Nintendo version is more refined, consisent, balanced and less buggy. In general, the characters have been pumped up more so the game could be more even. For example, in the arcade version, the top tiers were Orchid, Cinder, Riptor and Glacius, and the rest of the guys kinda sucked compared to those 4. In the SNES version, although those 4 are still pretty much in the top tier, the rest of the characters have a far better chance against them now. For example, TJ Combo used to suck horribly in the arcade - he was incredibly slow, and his overhead attack even missed on Riptor up close! They improved him and many other characters in the SNES version, and made them more worth playin. Also, the characters in the arcade version are quite slow, and often times the arcade version will lead to retarded amounts of turtlin and pokin, unlike the SNES version which has opportunity for a more diverse and creative offensive. But really, both versions aren't that different in the long run. Don't understand how? I'll explain. Say you're an expert in the SNES version. Then one day you decide to play the arcade, and you can still kick ass - maybe not as good, but still good enough to fight pros. The point is, if you're crazy in one version, you're still bound to be good in the other. The adjustment needed to switch from arcade to SNES and vice versa is small, and although both versions have their pros and cons, I would suggest the SNES version if you want more defined fightin and better gameplay overall.

Hope to see you on zbattle. :wgrin:




You had like a 16 win streak against that one fat guy. And you owned all of us at the apartment.


I'd like to see that happen vs me. Bring it on, kids. =P

Oh yeah, I finally got to face Combo. Apparently, the scene has both a Combo and a Combo2. Combo2 is easily the better one, though. Unfortunately, Combo seemed really rusty and outta it, so I smashed him completely. Hopefully he'll get back in shape again. Also, Magnifico and I played a couple days ago. He said my TJ Combo was a rapist. XD

[baalpeteor]

you forgot to add one person. da best of everyone so leet you think he's chuck norris himself: Baalpeteor

[redeyedol]

you forgot to add one person. da best of everyone so leet you think he's chuck norris himself: Baalpeteor

Haha, I saw your trashtalkin on Youtube. Come face me on zbattle, man - I'll be glad to knock you down flat. :wink:

[GW-EiJi]

Unknown doesn't seem to play KI anymore (never see him make any KI games), and I don't know exactly how good he is/was. I'll ask some of the older guys if he was any good, or I'll face him for myself and see what I can make out of him. Also, I've never heard of an expert goin by "Combo" on zbattle, only Combo2 (who also goes by Sgt.PeterFuck). If I see this "Combo" around, I'll face him and see if he's deservin of a spot on that list.

Thanks for backing me up, Lee. But yeah, I am retired.

And Eyedol, to give you some perspective, I was at Atmos' level, he did train me after all.


And while like me, no longer plays... Ichinisan deserves to be on that list. He's an OLD player from long ago. Was my rival until he quit.

[redeyedol]

Thanks for backing me up, Lee. But yeah, I am retired.

And Eyedol, to give you some perspective, I was at Atmos' level, he did train me after all.


And while like me, no longer plays... Ichinisan deserves to be on that list. He's an OLD player from long ago. Was my rival until he quit.

Hmmm.. perhaps you were at Atmos' level like you said. Then that would be a real shame, since you're now retired and all. I was hopin to someday face you. :wasted:

..I asked BentLeeT about Ichinisan, and he said that name doesn't ring a bell. I should find out more about him, his name seems interestin enough already, lol.

[GW-EiJi]

Yeah, Ich was from sooo long ago. 2-3 years atleast. He was a former Xbander if I remember correctly. Ah, Bent...we had some good matches...

Which reminds me of Berserker, but there's another one, and he's not the one you see on now... Wonder what happened to him.

And also, Rushed was indeed good... Don't know if he still is, but he was.

[redeyedol]

Yeah, Ich was from sooo long ago. 2-3 years atleast. He was a former Xbander if I remember correctly. Ah, Bent...we had some good matches...

Which reminds me of Berserker, but there's another one, and he's not the one you see on now... Wonder what happened to him.

And also, Rushed was indeed good... Don't know if he still is, but he was.

Someone who recently came back from a year-long break or so also mentioned Beserker, but he told me the Beserker right now isn't the same guy. I wonder what other good players are absent from the scene? I heard Fultz was good, but I never got around to playin him before.

[redeyedol]

I just finished playin Unknown (the zbattle admin), and let me tell you, for someone who hasn't played KI in 4 months, I am impressed!! For the first several matches, I kept ownin him, mostly because he was choosin random and was warmin up, too. Eventually, he started doin better, and soon enough, he decided to stick to just Cinder (his best). He's a very defensive player, but is very fast and has incredible keep-away abilities. Therefore, it was very difficult to get near him, and I had to be very cautious when fightin him. Accordin to what he told me, he had adapted a new style with Cinder, since he considered his old style somewhat cheap. So I chose random characters against him, to which he fought very well. He even gave my Orchid and Riptor a very hard time. So I eventually decided to stick to my best as well - Combo. From then on, we had an enormous amount of matches, and the score was quite even. Sometimes he would own me, and sometimes I would own him. But the matches were often close, and a lot of the times, I was saved by my very annoyin dizzyin skills. I started to get a bit sloppy later on, though; my fingers were sweaty and I was sometimes rushin things, so I kept screwin up my extra-long unbreakable. In the end, we decided to make it best out of 5, and he won (somewhat cheaply lol.. damn Cinder dizzy glitch..) 3 to 2. In total, we played for about 3 hours straight, and I definitely improved a bunch just from playin him alone. There was some lag here and there, but it wasn't bad enough to make hardcore play impossible. It makes me wonder just how damn good he would be if he decided to get back in the KI zb scene again. Most definitely someone I'd play again, and someone who shouldn't be underestimated, even by the best of players. I hope to see him on zbattle more often, lookin for more hardcore KI.

I also believe he is deservin of proper recognition as an elite KI player, so I'm addin him to the best on zbattle list.

P.S. - I'm also addin SIN to the list. He's now a very good player, and although he's still got a lot more to learn, he's finally proved himself worthy of a spot on that list.

[redeyedol]

Hmm, so far I haven't found any new great players, but for anyone interested in fightin novice - average level players, here's a couple people I'd recommend:

$ERNIE$
RICHY (he's only 11yrs old!!)
monkiguy
Rubby
bladerunne

I would recommend fightin these guys if the pros are too much for you. They aren't button mashers, and at least they seem to got the basics down. It's always good to learn how to walk before learnin how to run, and these guys would be decent trainin for anyone novice/average in KI.

[redeyedol]

Hey, I was just wonderin if there are any former X-Band players here. I know Mr. Wizard was one of the top KI players on both X-Band and at the arcades, but I heard he quit KI. SaBrE was formerly known as Cyber Crip (U*D) on X-Band, but that's about the only guy on zbattle who I know has experience on X-Band. Any others?

[EveryFlowerFlow]

told you unknown was hella good

[redeyedol]

told you unknown was hella good

Yeah. I played him another time, too, but I won a lot that time (he was usin Spinal). Still good regardless.

[AcidGlow]

I might give it a go again. I might record some matches for youtube also.
Just msn me.

[redeyedol]

I might give it a go again. I might record some matches for youtube also.
Just msn me.

Wow, another Toronto player. Hope to see you online. =D

[gemdoom]

damn killer instinct im gonna get back in this first let me get teh znes or w.e would anyone like to lay me im not sure how it works but any takers?

[AcidGlow]

Wow, another Toronto player. Hope to see you online. =D

Maybe. I forgot about this thread.... I mostly play it on kaillera with snes9k00z but I'll dl zsnes again and try it out this week/weekend.

[Captain Ryu]

I used to play snes mostly back in the day. I used to think I was good cause I knew all types of crazy combos with like every character but from what I know now I didn't know any advanced shit at all. I was about 13 when I was playing and it was just pretty much locally with friends.

Anyway is there a good thread with detailed strats and stuff for the snes killer instinct? I'm actually looking to get into it now cause I see that people are playing. Plus I havent played the game in like 10 years so it would be nice to brush up on some shit.

[redeyedol]

Maybe. I forgot about this thread.... I mostly play it on kaillera with snes9k00z but I'll dl zsnes again and try it out this week/weekend.

No one really plays KI on Kaillera. The real KI SNES scene is on zbattle, so you'll have a lot more to look forward to than on Kaillera.

[AcidGlow]

No one really plays KI on Kaillera. The real KI SNES scene is on zbattle, so you'll have a lot more to look forward to than on Kaillera.

I know zbattle is where snes players hang around, I just haven't gotten around to it again. That and I really don't like ZSNES's DOS based format... >_>

[redeyedol]

DOS based format? Well, the older versions were DOS based, but the new versions all run in windows, and although the GUI interface doesn't look quite modern, the emulator runs much better than most others out there. Anyway, for online play, ONLY get either ZSNES version 1.36 or 1.42, as those are the only versions used for such.

[AcidGlow]

DOS based format? Well, the older versions were DOS based, but the new versions all run in windows, and although the GUI interface doesn't look quite modern, the emulator runs much better than most others out there. Anyway, for online play, ONLY get either ZSNES version 1.36 or 1.42, as those are the only versions used for such.

I hated this...

http://starconsole.free.fr/images/screenshots/zsnes.jpg

So.. everyone is still using 36 and 42 I see.. hasn't changed in a year of my absence I see... :wasted: That means.. I have to use that ugly one again...

[redeyedol]

Huh? I don't think it's bad at all. Sure, the GUI isn't pretty or super modern -lookin, but at least it works fine. And when you load a game, it looks, sounds and works just fine, too.

[AcidGlow]

What I want to know is... why don't people upgrade? what is so good about 36 and 42?

[Master Bigode]

I had like to join this but....
....my ping:wasted: ....
It stays very high when I go to North-American servers.:arazz:

[redeyedol]

What I want to know is... why don't people upgrade? what is so good about 36 and 42?

They work great, that's what's good about them. And they're very simple to use programs, too. Plus, zbattle is way better than Kaillera in terms of connection - much less laggier games. The reason why people don't use any versions other than 36 and 42 is cause those are the 2 versions with the best online play support.

Bad news people.. ZBATTLE.NET is down for some reason. Apparently, the owner seems to have disappeared off into space..

..hopefully he'll come back and gettin everythin runnin again soon..

[AcidGlow]

The reason why people don't use any versions other than 36 and 42 is cause those are the 2 versions with the best online play support.


Best online support? How is it better?



Bad news people.. ZBATTLE.NET is down for some reason. Apparently, the owner seems to have disappeared off into space..

Kaillera, here we come. :wink:

[redeyedol]

Answer to your question:
Some versions of ZSNES don't have netplay fully implemented, and others are just simply too buggy to use for online play.

Yeah. Dunno when zbattle is gonna be up again. What emulator EXACTLY do you use for snes on Kaillera? Like the exact version and everythin..

[AcidGlow]

snes9k00z

So even connecting to a diff url like the website says on a page doesn't help? The master server is totally offline for now?

[redeyedol]

snes9k00z

So even connecting to a diff url like the website says on a page doesn't help? The master server is totally offline for now?

Thanks.

And yeah, I believe the master server is down. The forums are workin, but I think it's because they're probably hosted on another server. I hope Veeborg (the zb owner) comes back soon. :sad:

EDIT:

I just made a temporary server on Kaillera. Join if you'd like to play me.

Anti3D's Master Server List:
N64 Emulation

Original Kaillera Master Server List:
Killer Instinct (North America) Server

Apparently, my server seems to have 2 different names, dependin on which master server you are on. But you will know if you joined the right server. :wink:

[AcidGlow]

I'd rather setup games over msn and not by forums. Cause I check the forums once a day sometimes and at other times not for a few days. So you might be setting up a server for nothing. :confused:
Anyways, later.

Endokuken!!:wgrin:

[redeyedol]

Hey man, what time of the day are you usually on MSN? I am not on too frequently, but I will try to go on when you may be online. Hopefully we can set up a game sometime.

[Bilskirnir]

It's back up!

Just logged on today

[redeyedol]

YES, IT'S BACK!! Now time to kick ass on a regular basis again.. :wgrin:

[AcidGlow]

YES, IT'S BACK!! Now time to kick ass on a regular basis again.. :wgrin:

And with no lag this time, too!! (for you) :wgrin: :lovin: :lovin: :lovin:

[redeyedol]

And with no lag this time, too!! (for you) :wgrin: :lovin: :lovin: :lovin:

LOL, for real. Hopefully I'll catch you on zbattle sometime then, unless you like playin yourself on Kaillera. :rofl:

[redeyedol]

I just updated the list, and added a skill-based color code system, which I think would be a useful tool to see what kinda opponent you should be lookin for dependin on how good you think you are at KI.

[SpeedyX187]

Add DriftRaceR on Intermediate =P

[redeyedol]

Add DriftRaceR on Intermediate =P

Wait, are YOU DriftRaceR? I haven't heard from that guy for a while..

[SpeedyX187]

Wait, are YOU DriftRaceR? I haven't heard from that guy for a while..

Haha ya I stopped going to the forums =(

[AcidGlow]

LOL, for real. Hopefully I'll catch you on zbattle sometime then, unless you like playin yourself on Kaillera. :rofl:

I never said I sit there and wait. I always have someone to game with for snes games on kaillera, and it's more then KI. :)

[redeyedol]

I never said I sit there and wait. I always have someone to game with for snes games on kaillera, and it's more then KI. :)

But KI-wise, I wouldn't expect anythin more on Kaillera than random button mashers, and the occasional novice player.

[SpeedyX187]

But KI-wise, I wouldn't expect anythin more on Kaillera than random button mashers, and the occasional novice player.

Plus Kaillera is slow as hell... Zbattle owns =)

[redeyedol]

Plus Kaillera is slow as hell... Zbattle owns =)

Kaillera sucks as a client in general. Zbattle >>>>>>>> Kaillera in every way possible.

[SpeedyX187]

Liek 100000 tiems bettar lol !!11oneoneone

[Khalran]

-_- its only because kaillera is a server base and zsnes is p2p that zsnes is faster

[redeyedol]

-_- its only because kaillera is a server base and zsnes is p2p that zsnes is faster

Yes. If only zbattle was more like Battle.net, then it would be the perfect SNES gamin client, period.

[SaBrE]

-_- its only because kaillera is a server base and zsnes is p2p that zsnes is faster

that is a VERY minor reason why kaillera is so bad. more like the netcoding is so fucking terrible, and having master serves in the middle making that horrible netcode even worse =)

[0746]

that is a VERY minor reason why kaillera is so bad. more like the netcoding is so fucking terrible, and having master serves in the middle making that horrible netcode even worse =)

Do you mind explaining what you mean by that?

[Tempest253]

Hey Redeyedol! I hope you got my message over aim!

[redeyedol]

Hey Redeyedol! I hope you got my message over aim!

Yep, I did. Hopefully I'll get to play you sometime soon. :wink:

[Mushishi Ginko]

Do you mind explaining what you mean by that?

Dude, this whole Kaillea=crap/netcode issue is really hot with you isn't it? Didn't you get it out of your system in the Last Blade 2 thread?

[Goten X]

I personally don't see anything wrong with Kaillera. Yes, ZBattle is simple, but so is Kaillera. It isn't slow at all, and as long as you can play the game on one of the clients, why should it even matter?

/GX

[0746]

Dude, this whole Kaillea=crap/netcode issue is really hot with you isn't it? Didn't you get it out of your system in the Last Blade 2 thread?

No I did not. They failed to come up with a proper reasoning. And there rnt many things wrong with kaillera's "netcode." If you have a descent connection and play with higher connection settings on non-emulinker servers, its as good as its gona get over the net.

[Mushishi Ginko]

Wait a minute... I think I get it now. Are you a member of the Open Kaillera dev team?

[redeyedol]

Argh, zbattle has been down for like almost 3 days now. It better be workin again soon.. :annoy:

[SaBrE]

No I did not. They failed to come up with a proper reasoning. And there rnt many things wrong with kaillera's "netcode." If you have a descent connection and play with higher connection settings on non-emulinker servers, its as good as its gona get over the net.

i never responded cuz ive explained it so many times. there are so many better examples of online play. honestly, i dont feel like wasting my breath again. if you know anything about networking on a higher level than a consumer level, its pretty obvious the netcode is atrocious

[Mushishi Ginko]

No I did not. They failed to come up with a proper reasoning. And there rnt many things wrong with kaillera's "netcode." If you have a descent connection and play with higher connection settings on non-emulinker servers, its as good as its gona get over the net.

I think it's funny that you've put a lot of work (p2p client) into essentially disproving your argument here. Unless your definition of "kaillera" isn't the same as mine.

With that in mind, props on the p2p client. It's a serious improvement over public servers, and I'm really grateful.

[0746]

When you stare at something for long enough, you tend to see things of it others don't but you tend to get lost into it at the same time. I can still back most of what I said minus all the ranting minus the "its as good as its gona get over the net" part. But I'd have to insert "server/client architecture" somewhere in that statement for it to make sense and thats just what its all about. I still think kaillera's netcode is bloody perfect but its a pure server/client system and like it or not it comes with all the good as well as all the bad things of server/client systems. The same applies to p2p systems. Try designing something that can connect 6 peers purely via some peer to peer system to run a 6 player beat them up emulated rom. Its not impossible but its totally dumb if you want to minimize complexity of end hosts/delay for individual players/bandwidth consumption. Not to mention that you'd have to put up with spikes of all 5 of your peers for packet delays and losses between each of the peers. A Kaillera server will do it as easily as it runs any 1 player game. But of course, a server becomes redundant using that way of thinking if there are only 2 players and you can make a lot of assumptions to reduce delay/bandwidth consumption. After all, ping is round trip time. But exceptions such as half the round trip time between peers being more than their pings on a server isn't an impossibility. But well...lets not dig up old siht.

[Mushishi Ginko]

I didn't mention it to be a wise-ass or dredge up anything. I just thought it was ironic that you were arguing so forcefully that nothing was wrong, and you wound up fixing what so many people were bitching about. I know what you meant when you said the "netcode" wasn't broken though.