The Official FFVII Thread!

[B&B]

Post anything about FFVII, here!

[Debaser]

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[B&B]

Any comments, info, and opinions on the game.

[9999]

I love how he just throws the thread out without even giving his own input :rofl:

[4neqs]

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/view/63085

Edit- http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/view/70164

[B&B]

lol, sorry about that. Got a little carried away.

IMO, it's one of the best RPG's ever. What do u guys think?

[Kalypso]

I think there's less polygons per character than fingers on my hand, and the game is extremely old.

It's odd you just make a thread out of nowhere, and say nothing about it.

[X-Treme]

Best ever? Ha. Good for its time though. Can't say I didn't have lotsa fun with it. But it still gets tiered low though, I got plenty of games that rank over it.

I beat the game to hell and back when it came out, I just can't play it anymore. Life after the golden chocobo is non-existant.:arazz:

[B&B]

It is old, but it's still great.

[4neqs]

It's quite dated and gets tedious towards the middle. Personally, I've gravitated towards Tactics in recent years, but I await further announcements with regards to VII's PS3 remake.

[TrunksSS3]

can i say random@_@

[B&B]

It's quite dated and gets tedious towards the middle. Personally, I've gravitated towards Tactics in recent years, but I await further announcements with regards to VII's PS3 remake.


It was just a demonstration. I don't think there gonna make one.

[9999]

It is old, but it's still great.

Why? Im not gonna disagree with you, but give us reasons/back up your opinion.

I think its a very good rpg, great music, graphics (minus the super-deformed characters, but I dont think it hurts the game as much as others think it does, it was early 3D psx we're talking about here...) good storyline, materia system was very well done. Id personally love a PS3 remake as well, but Im not gonna hold my breath on that one.

[B&B]

I don't believe there gonna make one, but if they do, it will be great.

[crimzonflame]

Tifa has big tits.

[4neqs]

Only pics can save this now.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/view/56203

[Insaniac2]

The materia system was outstanding.

[Darkstalker]

No, the materia system was tedious.

Most leveling systems are, to be fair, but still...

Once powered up though, materia was fun. But I'm a low leveler generally so I missed out on a lot.

[matrix9280]

Two things that I hate about Final Fantasy 7

1) I hate how every character is pretty much the same except for limit breaks

2) I hate how everybody tries to make Sephiroth out to be some cool character when most of the time the party encountered him it was a clone and the real Sephiroth was just Jenova's puppet

Other than that I think that the game was well done. But come on Final Fantasy XII comes out this week (unless you're a pirating bastard but that's another story).Move on people. Been there, done that, saw the movie.

[G.O.T]

Cloud can eat s----nevermind.

[B&B]

Sephiroth rocks! He is a great villian.

[MrKrazy]

I'm glad Aeris was murdered. Sephiroth handled my light work.

[9999]

Sephiroth rocks! He is a great villian.

Oh here we go.....


And what matrix said, thats one thing I dont like about FF's nowadays, is that you can make your characters almost the same. FFV-FFVIII were like that, thats why IX felt like a breath of fresh air. Still love 'em all though. :lovin:

[4neqs]

Oh here we go.....



OH NO HE DIDN'T

lol (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/view/28557)

[Alzarath]

Seph's pretty low-tier as far as villains go...

[Einlanzer]

zangief > final fantasy VII


i wasnt very fond of FFVII, i liked VIII more. its junction system was god tier, imo. if you junction the magic correctly you would not take any damage from the majority of the magic in the game.

that and " aura + holy war" broke the game, lol.

[Stanman]

It was definitely my favorite game at the time that I played it and I nearly mastered it when I did play it. A few years ago I looked back and wondered if it deserved my praise so I replayed it. I found out again that it is in fact my favorite game.

[_MJ_#R]

this threads gay

[Ki Shima]

the only game with a villain that WAS capable of making an impact on story as big a seph was lan di, but his absence stopped that.

seriously tho, who cared about fighting the bad guy of FFVIII?

who gave a shit about seymour?

what makes u interested is a good villain, none of the others made me give a damn to be honest

7 was a fun game, with interesting environments and charismatic characters

i can go out, live life and come back and still love em

FFVII is old skool to the bone, thats why its the best

[Shibuya]

I like FF8.... One reason was the futurist enviroments....Im so tired of medievil settings and forest enviroments towns. But the real reason why most people love FF7.....because its one of there first true RPGS....before 7 i played rpgs like secret of mana and zelda....thats basically it. FF7 is like having sex for the first time.....ur first time is always the best and no other rpg can live up to that. The other Final fantasies were good sex. But in 8 i didnt like the fact that all i did in boss battles was use the GFs....

[Akutabi Gamma]

Well the game was one of my first games to ever get hooked to, at first I didn't like it, but after a few hours I got hooked, I think I played this game in 1999, but after a few months I stopped playing it when I couldn't beat Hojo. A few years later I finally succeeded in beating it and at the same beat almost everything in the game as well as getting to level 99, in fact this game might possibly the ONLY RPG I ever got my characters to MAX level in!
Anyway I have a question:-
What are some good equipments & Materias to equip to beat the Weapons? I remember I saved my equipment, but the file it was saved on got deleted ages ago...

[EndLeSS8]

Have I been teleported into some sort of negative world, where everyone talks about the Gamefaq's favorite game?

[Shibuya]

Well the game was one of my first games to ever get hooked to, at first I didn't like it, but after a few hours I got hooked, I think I played this game in 1999, but after a few months I stopped playing it when I couldn't beat Hojo. A few years later I finally succeeded in beating it and at the same beat almost everything in the game as well as getting to level 99, in fact this game might possibly the ONLY RPG I ever got my characters to MAX level in!
Anyway I have a question:-
What are some good equipments & Materias to equip to beat the Weapons? I remember I saved my equipment, but the file it was saved on got deleted ages ago...

Final attack revive materia is basically a must for beating emerald...he does a move that takes all ur life off all characters.....you get it at gold saucer doing the battle arena stuff. Also....morph creatures to get powersources and give it to cloud so the omnislash can do all 9999s. A creature that gives powersources is located in gongala villiage (the village where zack parents are). The monster is some tricerotop looking thing on wheels lol...sorry dont know how to describe the monster!!!!! Havent played this game in years....thought about playing it again but i heard a remake was coming out so i will wait for the better graphics.

[Disciple of Ryu]

Good old FFVII. I remember drooling over that game well before it was released. At first I was kinda pissed because Nintendo had released a tech demo showing FF6 characters for the Ultra 64 and that's what I had been hoping for but I released it was never an actual game and the next FF was going to be on the PlayStation. Remember also thinking "The Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen" was a Final Fantasy action game for awhile, lol.

Anywho, I loved that game. Best birthday present I ever recieved (actually it came out 1 day after my birthday but it still counts). I was 16 and had a car at the time, so I would drive home during lunch time and raise my chocobo. I only managed to make a golden chocobo once and I think I played through the game a couple of times after that. I was so obsessed with that game, so much so that even after all these years I still bought Dirge of Cerberus day one even though I knew it wouldn't be very good, lol. Also got Advent Children even though I had watched it twice bootleg when it first came out in Japan. I'll probably end up getting Before Crisis and the Blu-Ray release of Advent Children aswell. /sigh.

[EvilKing]

Seph is a pretty mid-tier boss in my opinion.

On to more important stuff...

Did someone seriously complain about a game from 199fucking7 not having enough poligons?

[9999]

Seph is a pretty mid-tier boss in my opinion.

On to more important stuff...

Did someone seriously complain about a game from 199fucking7 not having enough poligons?

You bet, but he does that every time VII is mentioned. Pretty weak statement in my opinion, since thats all he bitches about.

[Autocrat1]

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[DeathScythe]

Final attack revive materia is basically a must for beating emerald...he does a move that takes all ur life off all characters.....you get it at gold saucer doing the battle arena stuff. Also....morph creatures to get powersources and give it to cloud so the omnislash can do all 9999s. A creature that gives powersources is located in gongala villiage (the village where zack parents are). The monster is some tricerotop looking thing on wheels lol...sorry dont know how to describe the monster!!!!! Havent played this game in years....thought about playing it again but i heard a remake was coming out so i will wait for the better graphics.




Umm....you're forgetting about the more two important pieces of materia in the entire game. Mime and KOTR. You'll need those a lot more than Omnislash since you'll hit only one Omnislash in that fight.

Till this day I still can't Mime KOTR successfully without the cycle stopping.

[tsumi]

Final attack revive materia is basically a must for beating emerald...he does a move that takes all ur life off all characters.....you get it at gold saucer doing the battle arena stuff. Also....morph creatures to get powersources and give it to cloud so the omnislash can do all 9999s. A creature that gives powersources is located in gongala villiage (the village where zack parents are). The monster is some tricerotop looking thing on wheels lol...sorry dont know how to describe the monster!!!!! Havent played this game in years....thought about playing it again but i heard a remake was coming out so i will wait for the better graphics.

You don't need final attack revive to beat emerald, aire tam storm or whatver only hits 9999 in the fornt row you can survive it in the back row, give cloud long range materia. I beat him with just cloud like that, no kotr either. You can get all sources from morphing enemies in the sunken gelnika not just power source.

[Woomighty]

KOTR/Mime works wonders. But make sure to have final attack/phoenix so when you die, you get revived.

Oh yeah, Underwater materia helps too so you don't only have 20 minutes to beat him. Morph a ghost ship to get it and stuff.

For uhh Ruby, have Hades and stuff. Figure out the rest :P

[megaultrasuper]

I know for a fact that their will be more Final Fantasy VII related stuff.

Why? Because SquarEnix likes money.

[9999]

You don't need final attack revive to beat emerald, aire tam storm or whatver only hits 9999 in the fornt row you can survive it in the back row, give cloud long range materia. I beat him with just cloud like that, no kotr either. You can get all sources from morphing enemies in the sunken gelnika not just power source.

Aire Tam storm does 1111 damage for each materia a character has equipped.

[DeathScythe]

Aire Tam storm does 1111 damage for each materia a character has equipped.



Wait, wait, wait. Elaborate a little further on this.

[9999]

Not much to elaborate on, just that ATS does 1111 damage for each materia a character has equipped. I think he uses ATS when you kill one/any of his eyes.

This is why you should try to put just 8 materia on each character. Dont think it really matters to much when you have KOTR/final attack + phoenix/the rest of the endgame stuff.

[B&B]

Seph's pretty low-tier as far as villains go...

any evidence??

[tsumi]

Aire Tam storm does 1111 damage for each materia a character has equipped.

Really? wow I guess that mkaes alot more sense. the one time I fought him while I was wearing the ziedrich so he only has 8 materias equiped, was the only time I ever fought with cloud in the back. I figured thats why it was hitting less.....although that didnt really make sense seeing how the attack wouldnt be affacted by range, thanks.

[Dataika]

any evidence??

First of all, let me say that I am a fan of this game. I like FFVII and think it was a good game and a really good game for its time. Many people disagree with me but I don't really care because love for RPGs are in the eye of the beholder (I also liked Legend of Dragoon which a lot of people hate).

Sephiroth, however, is a strange thing for me. On the one hand, I thought at the beginning he was cool; just with how damn cocky he acts for a lot of the game. Looks at Cloud and smiles while he pulls the sword out of you know who, etc... Kind of just like: "I'm the shit, fuck off cloud"

Sephiroth also has many shortcomings though. #1, Emotional momma'sboyism is a big time character flaw. Sure it provided a backstory for him, but it also made him look like a sissy. "Omfg Cloud is coming, let me throw a piece of my mother at him." Yeah, okay. #2 His story didn't tie up really well IMO (I think they tried to make it so dramatic they forgot some of the little stuff). #3 His deathcount is small in comparison with a lot of other fiends. (Kefka, Sin, etc...) #4, He could destroy the planet and the entire solar system with a single spell (supernova) but sits on a crator and waits for god knows how many days for a meteor to arrive (depending on how many times you breed chocobos and other crap in the meantime), giving you more than enough time to get stronger and come back to whoop his ass.

I think he's personally mid-tier. Kefka was pretty top tier (Although he def isn't my fav...) and so was Yggdrassill (from TOS). I also hear that the villain form FFIX was good too, although I never played the game.

[Darkstalker]

Kefka was shit. He pushed a bunch of statues and gained a lot of power to...shoot a few laser beams at the ground and not much else for ONE FUCKING YEAR. Such a dumbass. And he totally failed in destroying hope too. Though the "sand in my boots" comment makes me like him anyway.

Sephy's alright, I guess. But then Advent Children came out and shat all over Sephy. :P

[Shibuya]

One thing about FF was Sephiroth past is messed up.....i never knew who sephiroth mother and father was.....i think that sephiroth mom was the one woman you meet in the sea to get vincent 4 limit break......and hojo also says he is sephiroth father.......any of yall know the truth.

[Darkstalker]

That is correct: "the one woman you meet in the sea to get vincent 4 limit break" is Sephiroth's mom, Lucrecia, and the daddy is Hojo. This is revealed just before the Hojo fight, I believe, though I could be wrong.

[celcius]

FF7 was a true classic. A modern remake would be awesome.
It seems like just yesterday when I beat the emerald and ruby weapons...but it's been like 3 or 4 years...

[B&B]

I found out more about Vincent's past by playing Dirge of Cerberus

[Shibuya]

That is correct: "the one woman you meet in the sea to get vincent 4 limit break" is Sephiroth's mom, Lucrecia, and the daddy is Hojo. This is revealed just before the Hojo fight, I believe, though I could be wrong.

Who is jenova???? and why does sometimes in the story it says that sephiroth was created?????

[JackTenrac!]

I think there's less polygons per character than fingers on my hand, and the game is extremely old.

It's odd you just make a thread out of nowhere, and say nothing about it.

...FF VII was what Mambo no 5 was to music. Catchy and great for its' time because RPGist scan relate, but when someone actually played it past this, they'd see exactly how mid teir it is. Overhyped and reused constantly, and to most people, is the best RPG there ever was. Just not to me. 97 graphics weren't that great for one, and for two, Squaresoft EA weren't the guys to go to for graphics in the first place. Have you played Front Mission 3, Bushido Blade, and ANY of the old 3D Square games? When you do for any system 3Dish, you have to keep that in the back of your mind because graphics are not the most priority-like thing on the developer's minds at Square for this era. If you look for graphics, you will be dissappointed greatly.

Still, I liked the story at least.

[Infernoman]

One Winged Angel was overrated...that's all

[B&B]

I don't think so...................

[Infernoman]

I don't think so...................

:confused:

that's it? no reasoning behind your response?

[B&B]

The reason it's very cool is because, it sounds evil and it awesome for a boss theme.

Originally posted at Squaresound:

16) One Winged Angel (Written by Chris)

To many, this theme is Uematsu's best, yet to others it is a source of resentment, since it is so widely acclaimed that many tracks are unfortunately ignored in favour of it. I'll focus principally on why it is generally liked, of which there are several reasons. Primarily, originality is an important factor — this theme adopts a truly gothic style that involves the accompaniment of a full Latin choir!! This genre is totally original to the series, as well as videogame music in general , and is an amazing and welcome change from the much more classical style we expect to here in Uematsu's video game music. This style allows the way for really striking and inspired vocal passages that are simply unforgettable!

It's the dark, threatening atmosphere that really makes this track what it is today — it can be described in parallel with movie soundtracks such as "Psycho" (which Sephiroth also is), being intimidating and adrenaline pumping. There is also a great sense of climax to this piece, which is obviously perfect as a final boss theme; the thick textures that build up with the addition of vocals really helps to create this sense of culmination. Its fast pace also helps to create a sense of energy, which is essential for any boss theme.

I felt the only real disappointment with this theme was sound quality, which detracted from the clarity and true power of the theme away in places — the pre-recorded sound seen in themes such as "Liberi Fatali" in its successor's soundtrack is much more impressive and adds the full awe needed. This problem with sound quality spoils most themes in this soundtrack to some extent, and means the soundtrack reflects quite badly overall! The sound quality is much better in the orchestrated form of "One Winged Angel" in the Reunion tracks, however I felt the original form has more overall impact! I felt it has more originality, and impact compared to the fantastic theme "Dancing Mad" in Final Fantasy VI also. This is a truly amazing theme that shows the genius of Uematsu — in rating I feel it goes way off the appropriate scale for videogame music! (10+/10)

It's not just my opinion..................

[TrueSephiroth]

One Winged Angel is one of the best he's made...even "non" FFVII lovers like this piece, which says alot. In my opinion, his greatest pieces where mainly from FFVI and FFVII. VII was a great game for it's time, and I still believe it's one of the best, I played all the other FF's before I had set my hands on VII, so my expectations at the time where very high.

I wasn't dissappointed, it had a great, storyline, and for once, an antagonist within the FF series who had more qualities then just "I'm Evil and I'm Powerful". Even now, I've set FFVII as my all time favorite and best FF, FFVI is a very close second.

[EvilKing]

wow.

What FFVII needs is a mother fucking well-written, no BS Plotguide!

But since we're already well into the conversation, I might as well put in my two cents.

I've always thought of this game as the Alpha3/2nd Impact of RPGs because:
-You need to compare these games to other games to find most of their flaws
-You can't really say it's bad w/o playing it through. (the alpha3 analogy comes into place here - You still need to be really fucking good to take advantage of most of its brokenness) i.e you can't just skim through it and say 'IT SUCKS' for the most part.
-It was fucking awesomex12 when it first came out.

My main gripe with both the story AND gameplay is that the game could have easily been done in two discs. Speeding up the game would have made it MUCH less tedious, and the plot was needlessly confusing and drawn out.

As far as any gameplay questions, there is NOTHING answerable about that game that hasn't been answered in at least half of the gamefaqs walk throughs.

[oyg]

anyone ever got the item in the Kalm hotel?

[Dataika]

I personally loved one-winged angel.

I mean, how are you going to fight a guy that has an entire Chorus singing about him in the background and not be like: "oh shit."

The reason I said Kefka was pretty top tier was:
1) His laugh
2) His death count (he did destroy the world)
3) He succeeded where many failed (see destroying the world)
4) His laugh
5) He was a clown in the beginning and developed into one hell of a villain.
6) His laugh

Although, like I said, he wasn't the my fav... my favorite was Yggdrassil from Tales of Symphonia.

[B&B]

Sephiroth has a very evil yet cool smirk :)

[TrueSephiroth]

I personally loved one-winged angel.

I mean, how are you going to fight a guy that has an entire Chorus singing about him in the background and not be like: "oh shit."

The reason I said Kefka was pretty top tier was:
1) His laugh
2) His death count (he did destroy the world)
3) He succeeded where many failed (see destroying the world)
4) His laugh
5) He was a clown in the beginning and developed into one hell of a villain.
6) His laugh

Although, like I said, he wasn't the my fav... my favorite was Yggdrassil from Tales of Symphonia.

He reminded me of a super watered down Joker. Also to me, "power and kill count" doesn't make a villain great, it's the aspects of what makes them human is what makes them interesting. If I was going to go on kill counts than the DBZ villains are obviously Top Tier, nobody has destroyed more planets or universes as they have.

[JackTenrac!]

Sephiroth has a very evil yet cool smirk :)

HAH....SHIN ...nice one liners Burning B.Hayato (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/member.php?u=48980)...no homo.- SHORYUUUUUKEN!

He's literally agreeing with everypoint and if there is a point against him, he doesn't counter point. It's like you're talking to a politician. Hayato, if you're going to survive SRK, fight the hell back at least. Gay smirks don't make you a great villian. Nappa had the smirk of Shaq, but he still got his ass kicked like it was nothing. Look at that. Just alot of hot air that lasted what? 12 or so eps and what did he do? beat the weaker guys and summoned green men to fight for him. Think that smirk could save him from Gokuu? without a backbone that can defeat a protangist: just another cueball that looks like Goldberg.

[Dasrik]

Dancing Mad > One-Winged Angel

But both songs are dope.

[B&B]

HAH....SHIN ...nice one liners Burning B.Hayato (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/member.php?u=48980)...no homo.- SHORYUUUUUKEN!

He's literally agreeing with everypoint and if there is a point against him, he doesn't counter point. It's like you're talking to a politician. Hayato, if you're going to survive SRK, fight the hell back at least. Gay smirks don't make you a great villian. Nappa had the smirk of Shaq, but he still got his ass kicked like it was nothing. Look at that. Just alot of hot air that lasted what? 12 or so eps and what did he do? beat the weaker guys and summoned green men to fight for him. Think that smirk could save him from Gokuu? without a backbone that can defeat a protangist: just another cueball that looks like Goldberg.




Fight back with what? A gun maybe? I'll survive SRK without your garbage. No need to give lectures. :lame:

Gimme a break!!!!!

Next time think before you give out any lectures!!!!!

[Dataika]

He reminded me of a super watered down Joker. Also to me, "power and kill count" doesn't make a villain great, it's the aspects of what makes them human is what makes them interesting. If I was going to go on kill counts than the DBZ villains are obviously Top Tier, nobody has destroyed more planets or universes as they have.

Death Count in terms of people who matter. Sure it doesn't matter how many universes or whatever someone destroys, only the places that matter. For instance, in FFX Sin killed a lot of people that you got to know personally. Or Kefka poisoning the water supply of that town? Come on. All Sephiroth did was destroy one villiage (albeit, an important villaige).

Kill count shouldn't be an entire method of judging a character as a good villain or bad villain, but it should be applied when comparing him to others. None of those aspects (human characteristics, death count, etc...) make a great villain by themselves, it's a combination of the two. If I was a villain who displayed human characteristics yet didn't kill or harm anyone... I would be a pretty shitty villain.

[9999]

One thing I like is how squaresoft presented Seph during the flashback scene. It really showed you how powerful he was (fighting the dragons, his spells, etc) compared to a young cloud. Pretty cool bad guy, but I still think Kefka holds the title as best FF villain.

[JackTenrac!]

One thing I like is how squaresoft presented Seph during the flashback scene. It really showed you how powerful he was (fighting the dragons, his spells, etc) compared to a young cloud. Pretty cool bad guy, but I still think Kefka holds the title as best FF villain.

YES!

...but 9999, who is Kefka? and which game should I play to witness this beast of a person?

[B&B]

IMO, Sephiroth is still the best. I'm sure alot of people think Sephiroth is more evil then kefka.

First of all, How is a clown evil?

[Dasrik]

Kefka is pure evil, Sephiroth is more Linkin Park "em-il".

[Darkstalker]

I personally loved one-winged angel.

I mean, how are you going to fight a guy that has an entire Chorus singing about him in the background and not be like: "oh shit."

The reason I said Kefka was pretty top tier was:
1) His laugh
2) His death count (he did destroy the world)
3) He succeeded where many failed (see destroying the world)
4) His laugh
5) He was a clown in the beginning and developed into one hell of a villain.
6) His laugh

Although, like I said, he wasn't the my fav... my favorite was Yggdrassil from Tales of Symphonia.

Points 2 and 3 stand out for me. Mainly because he did NOT destroy the world, nor did he destroy all hope like he wanted. And point 5 is weird, cause he didn't get developed either.

I heartily agree with point 1, 4, and 6 though. :P Also, "I HATE x 27 YOU."

[9999]

YES!

...but 9999, who is Kefka? and which game should I play to witness this beast of a person?

FFVI. Argueably, the best FF.

[Digitalbooty]

The story line was sick. It was perfect for a 15 year old kid like me who had no intrest what-so-ever in literature at the time. I didn't know it was possible for me to get sucked into something like that. I was a huge RPG before, but that story just blew me awy. That part of it is truely timeless imo.

[B&B]

Nicely Said. It seems we still have some FFVII fans waiting to show their true side :)

[MrQuotes]

Dancing Mad > One-Winged Angel

But both songs are dope.

hell fucking yes
while one winged angel is indeed another awesomely bad ass song, dancing mad was just fucking epic, the last stanza topping it off for me, because i remember just listening to it thinking, "holy shit, how does 16-bit audio sound so fucking metal?!" when black mages redid the song i died of joygasm

[Dataika]

snip

When I say destroy the world, I mean more in terms of civilization. And he really did fuck the world up so much that it was called the world of ruin. Basically, he destroyed civilization (most people take this to mean the world).

He didn't get developed? How does he go from henchman to unbelievably sadistic asshole without getting developed at all?

I really don't even want to debate this since FFVI isn't even my favorite FF. So you can get the last word, because I don't care.

[Einlanzer]

i agree that final fantasy VI was probably the best final fantasy game that ever came out.

VII was good. but VI had the best villains.

Ultros
Chupon
Atma
Kefka
that one clown thing at the top of the tower.
doomgaze (or was it deathgaze?)
the dragons


VII had okay villains, but the only ones that stood out in my mind were Ruby and Emerald Weapon. Sephiroth wasnt that special.

[J-ride]

I beat emerald with mime+omnislash+several maxed out speed materia, he never got a turn, because I killed Barret and Cid before the fight, so I could just mime my limit break over and over.

[TrueSephiroth]

Death Count in terms of people who matter. Sure it doesn't matter how many universes or whatever someone destroys, only the places that matter. For instance, in FFX Sin killed a lot of people that you got to know personally. Or Kefka poisoning the water supply of that town? Come on. All Sephiroth did was destroy one villiage (albeit, an important villaige).

Kill count shouldn't be an entire method of judging a character as a good villain or bad villain, but it should be applied when comparing him to others. None of those aspects (human characteristics, death count, etc...) make a great villain by themselves, it's a combination of the two. If I was a villain who displayed human characteristics yet didn't kill or harm anyone... I would be a pretty shitty villain.

Let's put it this way, had Sephiroth had succeeded, there would have been "no world of ruin", meteor would've wiped out at least near 70%+ of the life within that moment...and considering one the size of the one in Final Fantasy VII(It was pratically almost as large as Midgar and I would assume that Midgar is the size about a mid-sized city, so it would've been huge, infact a 6-mile meteor like the one that struck our own planet was equivelant to 300 million nucleaur bombs set off in onespot), that would've been devastating. Sephiroth would've created an entire new world, meaning there would've been no Final Fantasy Advent Children, no events to take place after. Sephiroth would've become a Living God, and you would've had an ending of Sephiroth laughing in your faces.

I'm fairly sure there was a significant reason as to why Sephiroth was not given this right, because if he was, there would've been no possible way, Cloud or the other's would've been able to have defeated him, and it would have been an absolute loss, where as for Kefka, it was not.

Again, putting kill count as a "mean's" to present a villain to me isn't just enough cause, because Kefka lacks personality when compared to the later villains who give rise after him. I'd rather take Sephiroth's, Kuja's, and Seymour's persona over Kefka's anyday. Kefka's personality is poorly done, I've played through FFVI probably the most out of any FF, and he has no real personality other than his laughter, making remarks here and there, and the presence of I'm Evil and I want to kill.

His personality is almost no different than someone like Buu, from DBZ(And Buu actually succeeds in destroying the very planet all of the "heroes" live from), and to me, a personality like that doesn't stack up, even if they have a huge kill count. So to put, Kefka may have the larger kill count, probably more than almost any FF villain, however his personality is lacking.

Sephiroth may not have "killed" a massive group, however he killed the right people that affected greatly to the central character's that mattered to the storyline. He had an ideaology and believed in it so much that he was willing to wipe out all life so that he become what he felt was truly his destiny. He makes for a far greater and more interesting villain than Kefka.

[Hunter D]

A lot of you misundrstood Kelfka. The guy was batshit insane and did the things he did because he enjoyed it. He enjoyed causing pain and suffering. He wasn't the type of villian that you were supposed to have sympathy for. In FF6 he killed innocent people, killed a man that your characters respected (Leo), and betrayed his king without giving it a second thought. Kelfka was pure evil given a form in FF6.

[Darkstalker]

Actually, if you wanna worship kill count, Sin is your God. I mean, a 1000 years ought to add up eventually.

[Dataika]

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. No one said anything about worshiping a kill count.

Sephiroth may not have "killed" a massive group, however he killed the right people that affected greatly to the central character's that mattered to the storyline. He had an ideaology and believed in it so much that he was willing to wipe out all life so that he become what he felt was truly his destiny. He makes for a far greater and more interesting villain than Kefka.

That's it? Like I said, I'm tired of talking about Kefka or defending him. But it's obvious that your view of Kefka is shortsighted and doesn't do it any real justice. I guess when you use a light of judgement and obliterate almost every town because they refuse to worship you; that's not bad enough. He didn't kill the "right people." Yeah, whatever.

And his ideology wasn't THAT great. "Oh my mommy Jenova (who I'm completely obsessed with now) killed ancients so I guess I will to." And his ideal about becomming a God is nothing NEW (in fact KEFKA DID IT BEFORE HIM!).

The rest of your post basically boils down to:
A) Kefka didn't have a good personality
(Which Hunter D and Dasrik have already answered and I'm tired of talking about Kefka anyway. And if you believe that, then you must not know very much about the villains in FFs before Kefka revolutionized it.)
B) Sephiroth coulda destroyed the planet but didn't because the storywriters wouldn't let him.
(Which is just a retarded reason. Almost every villain poses the threat of being able to destroy the world, it's just most of the time, the good guys win. If the threat wasn't real and it wasn't there, then there would be no reason to defeat the bad guy.)

[TrueSephiroth]

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. No one said anything about worshiping a kill count.

Using it as a form of judgement of saying "one is greater than the other" makes it invalid.

That's it? Like I said, I'm tired of talking about Kefka or defending him. But it's obvious that your view of Kefka is shortsighted and doesn't do it any real justice. I guess when you use a light of judgement and obliterate almost every town because they refuse to worship you; that's not bad enough. He didn't kill the "right people." Yeah, whatever.

What does this prove, that he used a Light of Judgement..so what. Buu wiped out the entire planet, Freeza almost wiped out the entire Saiyan race and God knows how many planets and civilizations before hand. Are you to tell me that they also deserve recognition in the "most well developed" villains of all time? Get real dude.

Kefka was just plain simple evil. What do you gain from his persona instead that he's just insane...wow...anyone can write about a guy like Kefka and slap in a story, give him some great powers and that's done. Nothing "grand" about his characer.

And his ideology wasn't THAT great. "Oh my mommy Jenova (who I'm completely obsessed with now) killed ancients so I guess I will to." And his ideal about becomming a God is nothing NEW (in fact KEFKA DID IT BEFORE HIM!).

Your right, Kefka did "do it" before him. However unlike Kefka, you at least knew a reason as to why he did what he did. You saw why he felt he had that right, and why he was willing to anything for it. WTF, does Kefka do before becomming a powerful being...having soldiers dust off the sands from his boots, getting owned by the FF crew and almost getting run over by Chocobos...please dude, don't even compare.

The rest of your post basically boils down to:
A) Kefka didn't have a good personality
(Which Hunter D and Dasrik have already answered and I'm tired of talking about Kefka anyway. And if you believe that, then you must not know very much about the villains in FFs before Kefka revolutionized it.)
B) Sephiroth coulda destroyed the planet but didn't because the storywriters wouldn't let him.
(Which is just a retarded reason. Almost every villain poses the threat of being able to destroy the world, it's just most of the time, the good guys win. If the threat wasn't real and it wasn't there, then there would be no reason to defeat the bad guy.)

If anyone has noticed, that "Pure Evil" is not what makes a villain great. Otherwise guys like Magneto would be shit tier compared to someone like Buu who IS Pure Evil. I'm actually sick and tired of people who claim that Sephiroth wasn't so great, yet there is more to his background, persona than what Kefka has ever brought to the table.

If Sephiroth had, he would've achieved total domination, it's a simple fact, sure he didn't, but just because he "narrowly" missed his chance, that he's not up to par with Kefka to me is just ludicrious. I've heard the whole "Pure Evil" already, if you guys claim Kefka is great because of that, then I'm sure a villain like Buu should stand up in the top tier listing for villains for you guys also, since he's achieved more than what Kefka has ever done and more.

Sephiroth wasn't just someone you "felt sorry" for. However he was someone whom you also despised and hated, yet at the sametime you admired, he was in my opinion a more complete villain, which is why he's a far more interesting villain than Kefka. Again, if anything, I'd rather choose Sephiroth, Kuja, and Seymour over Kefka anyday of the week.

Hell, I'd rather choose Luca Blight from Suikoden II over Kefka, he was an insane bastard, but he had more volume to his persona than Kefka to boot.

[Dasrik]

It's a video game, not a goddamn Shakespearean play.

And you're not contradicting what I said. The bishy Sephy is "em-il" (if you didn't figure it out, that's a portmanteau of "emo" and "evil"), so he automatically loses in terms of character design. He's just lucky he has a cool theme song.

[TrueSephiroth]

It's a video game, not a goddamn Shakespearean play.

Seriously, if it's just a videogame, why would you be arguing to me about it, you'd think it'd be stupid and pointless and wouldn't give any reason. However I could say this about anything, I could very well go into one of the comic book threads and say, it's comicbook, it's not a goddamn real fictional book. Yet we see people post here in the general forums about comic threads in-depth all the time.

And you're not contradicting what I said. The bishy Sephy is "em-il" (if you didn't figure it out, that's a portmanteau of "emo" and "evil"), so he automatically loses in terms of character design. He's just lucky he has a cool theme song.

This doesn't change the fact that he has character quality over you know who. I will agree with you that his song is Top Tier though.

[B&B]

I'm actually sick and tired of people who claim that Sephiroth wasn't so great, yet there is more to his background, persona than what Kefka has ever brought to the table.

If Sephiroth had, he would've achieved total domination, it's a simple fact, sure he didn't, but just because he "narrowly" missed his chance, that he's not up to par with Kefka to me is just ludicrious. I've heard the whole "Pure Evil" already, if you guys claim Kefka is great because of that, then I'm sure a villain like Buu should

stand up in the top tier listing for villains for you guys also, since he's achieved more than what Kefka has ever done and more.

Sephiroth wasn't just someone you "felt sorry" for. However he was someone whom you also despised and hated, yet at the sametime you admired, he was in my opinion a more complete villain, which is why he's a far more interesting villain than Kefka. Again, if anything, I'd rather choose Sephiroth, Kuja, and Seymour over Kefka anyday of the week.

Hell, I'd rather choose Luca Blight from Suikoden II over Kefka, he was an insane bastard, but he had more volume to his persona than Kefka to boot.

Awesome!!!!! That was some speach!!!

@ dasrik: you probably didn't even play FF VII! Otherwise, you'd know sephiroth's main shining points.....

[9999]

Awesome!!!!! That was some speach!!!

@ dasrik: you probably didn't even play FF VII! Otherwise, you'd know sephiroth's main shining points.....

Which is? Killing a flower girl? Burning a small village? Summoning a meteor to do the same thing that Kefka did pretty much by himself?

I like Seph and all, but he's not even in the same league as Kefka, villain-wise.

[B&B]

Kefka sucks, i bet alot of others agree with me :)

[Dasrik]

@ dasrik: you probably didn't even play FF VII! Otherwise, you'd know sephiroth's main shining points.....
I played it, all right. It took a month to get it to work right on my computer.

[Darkstalker]

You played it on PC? Was it any good? I know the FFVIII port was awesome, simply cause it looked better and stuff.

As far as Sephy goes as a villain, he's alright. Enough development, enough of a "figure" that you could see as a final boss without seemingly coming out of nowhere even if there was a lot of foreshadowing beforehand (see: FFVIII and FFIX) and logical stuff for most of his character anyway. If anything, I had character design issues (what...is...up...with...that...outfit?) and the whole "I had so much more trouble with Bizarro than with Safer" when fighting Sephy.

Fave FF villain is still Algus though. :D

[Darkstalker]

When I say destroy the world, I mean more in terms of civilization. And he really did fuck the world up so much that it was called the world of ruin. Basically, he destroyed civilization (most people take this to mean the world).

He didn't get developed? How does he go from henchman to unbelievably sadistic asshole without getting developed at all?

I really don't even want to debate this since FFVI isn't even my favorite FF. So you can get the last word, because I don't care.

Missed this post. Just to clarify my view on things:

1) He didn't destroy civilization all that well either. He had a year with Godlike powers. He should've shattered it beyond being broken if he "WANTED TO DESTROY ALL HOPE" because he "HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE etc. YOU" Not to say he didn't do anything, he just didn't break it enough so...

2) He went loony from some Magitek experiment and you find this out by talking to like...one NPC who is not a compulsory person to talk to. Least, that's what I remember.

:D

[Pained Auron]

I found out more about Vincent's past by playing Dirge of Cerberus



that game was trash; and i like vincent. he is the only good thing to come out of ff7. story was weak, mid tier villain who gets worshipped because he burnt a town, killed a flower girl, summoned meteor, and has a long sword. ff7 was a waste of time

[Dataika]

Using it as a form of judgement of saying "one is greater than the other" makes it invalid.

Look, I don't know how many more times I have to say it; IM NOT USING IT A SOLE REASON FOR DENYING A VILLAINS CHARACTER AS BEING GREAT. It's part of a whole evalutation process. Death count does not soley make one villain better than another, but it certainly goes into the process of evaluating the villain. There a whole lot of things that go into what makes a villain great.

Are you to tell me that they also deserve recognition in the "most well developed" villains of all time? Get real dude.

This is just getting flat out frustrating because you keep taking shit I say out of context. I made that quote with regards to you saying that "Sephiroth killed the right people." It didn't have to do anything with regards to development. I don't watch DBZ so I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

You are claiming that because Sephiroth killed the "right people" in a villaige that "affected the main character." I'm saying that Kefka murdered all the villiages that ALL OF THE CHARACTERS WERE FROM. So how can Sephiroth be anywhere near Kefka's level on this matter?

I think you need to spend a little more time actually reading my post rather than jumping to build strawmen.

I'm actually sick and tired of people who claim that Sephiroth wasn't so great, yet there is more to his background, persona than what Kefka has ever brought to the table.

And I'm sick and tired of fanboys revelating over how great Sephiroth was (See your name). I'm a fan of Sephiroth and I thought he was a pretty good villain, but fanboys like you are what ruin the game of FFVII for most people.

Kefka basically was the forebearer of all of Sephiroths tricks and story. Before Kefka, most villains were "far drawn" evil do-ers with no real struggles. Kefka went from henchman to dictator to basic god in the course of the game. He finished what he set out to do ORIGINALLY, it was only in his second goal that he failed. Again, to say that someone like Kefka had no development shows how little you know about the history of RPGS BEFORE Kefka. I mean before Kefka, evil-doers just had schemes already hatched up. You actually had to witness Kefka's claims to fame (his disagreement with even Gestahl on issues and killing of the Emperor), his evil schemes and his intelligence all had to be displayed for the character to witness. That is UNBELIEVABLE development for the time.

However unlike Kefka, you at least knew a reason as to why he did what he did.

Uh no, like I said, his main reason for becoming God is never really made known. Except that you can tie in some ends to come up with a reason. Mostly, he just wanted to be a God, but the whole reason he hated the ancients WAS NEVER made clear. The only thing one can infer from the dialogue is basically: Sephiroth's mother was destroyed attempting to destroy the Ancients, so Sephiroth wants to destroy the ancients to. Why? Not really sure but mommy did it so...............................

it's a simple fact, sure he didn't, but just because he "narrowly" missed his chance, that he's not up to par with Kefka to me is just ludicrious.

The being able to do something and the actually doing something is what separates us as human beings. If I could cure cancer yet I don't do it, what good am I? That's just ridiculous and is void of any human logic at all. What separates the good from the great is the ability to pull off the action. What doesn't matter is the "coulda woulda shoulda's."

Again, if anything, I'd rather choose Sephiroth, Kuja, and Seymour over Kefka anyday of the week.

You would CHOOSE SEYMOUR?! WTF? Seymour wasn't even the main villain in FFX... he was just some douche bag who wanted to become sin. To each his own I guess, but now I know I can't take your opinion on anything very seriously.

I also like how you keep coming up with other villains that don't have anyhting to do with anything. I never said Kefka was the best villain ever so just bringing those up is needless red-herring. Can we go back to comparing why Kefka is better than Sephiroth now?

Now, why don't you try going back and reading my post? You keep disconfiguring them until *I* can't even recognize them. So please, stop the red-herrings (your constant pointing to DBZ baddies and all the rest) and your strawmen and maybe we can have a real dialogue here.

[Shin-RoTeNdO]

Ah talk of FFVII... I've invested many hours (in years) into this game, lol. I shit you not. If having one character with 4 Master KotR in his materia slots doesn't say anything about how much I played this game I don't know what will.

Some people don't like the materia system, so love it. I guess I'm one of the few who really liked it. There is just so much you can do with it. So many materia combinations to really customize your character and all. W-Summon owns, and so does mime. Link a few KotR with mp plus/hp plus or whatever and mime that shit. Free casting over and over gaining mp and hp after each attack and that is not just with KotR, could be magic or another summon. Using a GameShark Pro to bring Aerith (correct name) back AND playable was too good, even if she is suppose to be dead. To include having Sephie in your party too.

If you guys honestly believe that Square Enix is not making a FFVII remake and bought the tech demo bs, get the fuck out of here. They want a remake, the fans want a remake, the shit is going to happen. I said enough, now I'm off now getting back to my FFXII!

[Dasrik]

You played it on PC? Was it any good? I know the FFVIII port was awesome, simply cause it looked better and stuff.
I eventually had to download the so-called "Ultima" version with all the XP patches to get it running at a suitable speed. (It actually runs too fast without it.) But once I got it working, it was pretty fun, especially with the PC's increased resolution.

[TrueSephiroth]

Look, I don't know how many more times I have to say it; IM NOT USING IT A SOLE REASON FOR DENYING A VILLAINS CHARACTER AS BEING GREAT. It's part of a whole evalutation process. Death count does not soley make one villain better than another, but it certainly goes into the process of evaluating the villain. There a whole lot of things that go into what makes a villain great.

Yes, there are, and kill count shouldn't even be remotely counted as one of the higher points of ranking a villain. It is the complete package, however when you state something along the lines of Pure Evil/Insane/KillCount...that's completely vague, this is basically what I've been reading about the statements for Kefka, your not the only one who's stated this, these are basically the biggest reasons why Kefka is considered "great". Again, this is simple evil, anyone can create a Kefka and throw him into a storyline, Sephiroth's background "actually" took some effort when comparing the two.

This is just getting flat out frustrating because you keep taking shit I say out of context. I made that quote with regards to you saying that "Sephiroth killed the right people." It didn't have to do anything with regards to development. I don't watch DBZ so I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

If you don't know DBZ (still shocked how you "wouldn't" but oh well) then maybe I'll shorten it for you. Alot of the DBZ villains share Kefka's persona, of being Pure Evil, ridiculously insane, and having super powers. All of these are simple Evil, beyond this, they have no real personality, which is reason why even with the amount of people they have wiped out, or how evil they are, or how powerful they are, it doesn't make them good villains.

Kefka is no more the same, he is insane, he's evil, and he kills alot. Beyond this, what can you really give me about Kefka, that isn't already stated within those 3 comments...that basically boils down his entire personality.

You are claiming that because Sephiroth killed the "right people" in a villaige that "affected the main character." I'm saying that Kefka murdered all the villiages that ALL OF THE CHARACTERS WERE FROM. So how can Sephiroth be anywhere near Kefka's level on this matter?

Kefka never "murdered" all of the villages that everyone was from...what the hell are you talking about? If I remember correctly, in the WoR, Edgar's castle is still up and going, if I remember correctly, Locke's hometown village with Rachael was still standing? What about Themasa? Are you sure that was everyone? Are you sure your even playing FFVI now? Again, you claim that kill count isn't a big factor, but here you are again, panting to me that Sephiroth is nowhere near Kefka's league when it comes to kill count.

Yes, infact, you are right, Kefka has killed far more than Sephiroth, it still doesn't change the fact that the mere small handful that Sephiroth has killed changes the entire perspective of the characters that matters most to do what they do. Just how much of an impact was it when Aeris was killed? It seemed pretty big, for the characters that only had a remote chance of stopping Sephiroth.

And I'm sick and tired of fanboys revelating over how great Sephiroth was (See your name). I'm a fan of Sephiroth and I thought he was a pretty good villain, but fanboys like you are what ruin the game of FFVII for most people.

Umm...actually, a fanboy is something along the lines of "Omgosh...Sephiroth is the roxxars!! Because he has a HuGe SwoRd, and he's so cool! He is the BEsteSt!!!". That's a fanboy, if you even remotely think for a second about why I like Sephiroth, you would've noticed that it was because he had a strong personality, and a strong ideaology which is what made him interesting. I'm not a fanboy, how did I ruin the game? Your quoting me on my name:rolleyes: ? Do you see me making "stupid comments" and "remarks" please quote me on my last post's if there has been any that just pertained to about how "cool" I thought his sword and coate was.

Get off your high horse, yes, there are actually people who like Sephiroth because they've found more interesting things about him than *gasp* beyond his sword and black trench coat.

Kefka basically was the forebearer of all of Sephiroths tricks and story. Before Kefka, most villains were "far drawn" evil do-ers with no real struggles. Kefka went from henchman to dictator to basic god in the course of the game. He finished what he set out to do ORIGINALLY, it was only in his second goal that he failed. Again, to say that someone like Kefka had no development shows how little you know about the history of RPGS BEFORE Kefka. I mean before Kefka, evil-doers just had schemes already hatched up. You actually had to witness Kefka's claims to fame (his disagreement with even Gestahl on issues and killing of the Emperor), his evil schemes and his intelligence all had to be displayed for the character to witness. That is UNBELIEVABLE development for the time.

Firstly, Kefka was a joke character from the beginning, he was getting owned up by everyone? Almost got stomped by Chocobo's? Getting the crap kicked out of him by just Sabin, Cyan and I believe Shadow alone, and running away. Got owned by the FFVI crew yet again at Narshe and ran off yet...again. The only remotely thing he did interesting was when he killed General Leo (hmm, can you see now by what I mean when killing one significant character can mean alot...see the resemblance between Aeris now...however Aeris death alone was 1092384902380948 times more stronger within the storyline) then killing the Emperor, and when he finally gained his powers upon the floating continent, okay, now he becomes a threat.

Before hand, he was nothing but bad jokes, a weakling and nothing more than his laughter. You also talk as if Kefka was something "new" and you make the claim that I know little about the history of rpg's? Just so you know...Ganondorf came years before Kefka and his background and storyline makes Kefka look like a Grade F villain. There was nothing "revolutionary" about Kefka during his time, period.

Sephiroth was a threat from point one, nobody could go around and bitch slap him like what everyone in FFVI did to Kefka before he achieved his great powers. Only someone within Cloud's level was capable of standing toe to toe with him. Yet Kefka almost gets owned at Figaro Castle when random Chocobo's almost put a stomp on him.

Uh no, like I said, his main reason for becoming God is never really made known. Except that you can tie in some ends to come up with a reason. Mostly, he just wanted to be a God, but the whole reason he hated the ancients WAS NEVER made clear. The only thing one can infer from the dialogue is basically: Sephiroth's mother was destroyed attempting to destroy the Ancients, so Sephiroth wants to destroy the ancients to. Why? Not really sure but mommy did it so...............................

His reason to wanting to become a God is made very clear. He has stated this on more than one occassion, in FFVII and AC(VII and AC Should be viewed as a whole, as the creators have stated, not as seperate pieces). He believes that it is his right to destroy the planet, and use the energy from the lifestream to become a God so that he can create a completely new world. This has been stated many times, how can you possibly play through FFVII and not "get this"?

The being able to do something and the actually doing something is what separates us as human beings. If I could cure cancer yet I don't do it, what good am I? That's just ridiculous and is void of any human logic at all. What separates the good from the great is the ability to pull off the action. What doesn't matter is the "coulda woulda shoulda's."

If Kefka had achieved everything that he had set out to do...then wouldn't he have won? Instead he gets pawned by the FF Crew, or better yet, Alexander comes in and owns him up. Kefka ruining the planet and earning a high level of power doesn't make it anymore dramatic than what Sephiroth has achieved even without having Meteor smashed into the world.

Sephiroth controls a false clone who takes Jenova's head, then having Cloud manipulated to the point of where Cloud believes he himself is a failure clone and then making Cloud handing the Black Materia to Sephiroth directly.

Not only that, but after these events, the Weapons are released and are going on a rampage in the world. Then you also have a meteor to worry about, not only that, but not just you, but also the Shinra Corp. is also trying to find a way to destroy Sephiroth as well. After the destruction of the forcefield by Shinra, and there collapse as well, Cloud and the gang rush in and confront Sephiroth, defeating him within that moment.

However Meteor is still going to strike, and Holy appears, however Holy isn't strong enough to defend up against Meteor. Then not only does it take Holy, but it also takes the entire LifeStream drawn from the planet to finally put a stop to Sephiroth's quest.

Hmm...which one has the more dramatic bang? It seems like Sephiroth's scenario was more of a nail biter than Kefka's to any degree, when Kefka got owned, it was over, when Sephiroth got owned, there was still more to worry about.

You would CHOOSE SEYMOUR?! WTF? Seymour wasn't even the main villain in FFX... he was just some douche bag who wanted to become sin. To each his own I guess, but now I know I can't take your opinion on anything very seriously.

Seymour has more backbone in his character than kefka. You realize why he is the crazy, calm, cold lunatic that he is when he's an adult. Sure he may not have the "kill count" and "power level" of Kefka, but having the innate ability of manipulating everyone within the entire world to believing that everything he says is the truth, not only that but to conjur up the events that took place during the BlitzBall at Luca City to make it look like so he's a hero and a saviour.

Then having the balls to marry Yuna so that it can raise his popularity status to even greater heights...hmm, he's like a very, evil, conniving politician, and I'm sorry to say, but that's head and shoulders way above Kefka in any standard...so yes, Seymour>Kefka.

I also like how you keep coming up with other villains that don't have anyhting to do with anything. I never said Kefka was the best villain ever so just bringing those up is needless red-herring. Can we go back to comparing why Kefka is better than Sephiroth now?

I brought these villains into the frey is because they share the exact same personality as your precious Kefka. Which is plain simple evil, they seem to have alot of powerful potential, and are seemingless Pure Evil, however they lack any personality to make them a great villain, which is why I presented these villains, because they are running down the exact same road.

There is no comparison from Sephiroth to Kefka, Sephiroth just simply blows Kefka out of the water, now if you where to compare Sephiroth to Kuja, okay, now that can be debated then.

Now, why don't you try going back and reading my post? You keep disconfiguring them until *I* can't even recognize them. So please, stop the red-herrings (your constant pointing to DBZ baddies and all the rest) and your strawmen and maybe we can have a real dialogue here.

What's there not to recognize? Sephiroth has more personality then Kefka in anystandard, he has an ideaology, he is also evil, crazy, yet intelligent, he's a great manipulater, extremely powerful even without demi-god powers like Kefka. He's more the total package than Kefka plain and simple.

Oh and guess what...just how ridiculous is Sephiroth? Even death doesn't seem to stop Sephiroth from completely dying off, the guy's will to live is incredible, I mean he came back to life twice! In FFVII and AC and his lines "I will never be a memory." clearly states that he will never truly be gone. Hmm...what happened to Kefka after he got owned...oh that's right! He's down in the dark shitter dining with Hades.

In short from my huge post above...Sephiroth>>>Kefka.

[9999]

In short from my huge post above...Sephiroth>>>Kefka.

Honest question, have you beaten FFVI?

[B&B]

he probably has, since he can give so much evidence.

[9999]

he probably has, since he can give so much evidence.

Have you?

[B&B]

probably like 10 times :)

[Darkstalker]

Just to steer this away from the Sephka debate...

I thought FFVII was a mediocre game at best. I may just be spoiled by other RPGs which I like to define as "better," but I serioulsy had quite a few problems which I'll list down in point form because I just did 6 essay questions today and am in no mood to write anymore:

1) Pacing. FFVII had great pace in Midgar and flat out FUCKEDITUP right after that. Especially disc 2. Bloody snow place thingy.

2) Leveling system. Materia was a system to...you know play around with shit and not level up traditionally...only...you did have to level up traditionally cause it took ludicrous amounts of AP to master anything (I'm the type that pretty much never powerlevels at all. Ever). Let me put it this way, by the end of FFVII I've got a grand total of one All materia mastered. ^_^;;

3) Characters. Most were decent with enough characterisation and motivation behind them. But not Plot Device. Plot Device sold flowers, made advances on Main Character and died. WOW.

4) Consistency. Refer to: The Turks. They are able to kick everyone's ass and are supposed to be competent and shit...but...take forever to find Avalance. And that girl of Barret's. Um...wtf?

5) Minigames were shit. But so is practically everything not Triple Triad anyway.

To be fair, FFVII also did quite a few things right:

1) Materia system. While I disliked how materia got stronger, I do like that this system also allowed for dozens of interesting combinations.

2) Turks, while inconsistent, were a great choice for recurring enemies as each fight seemed drastically different from the others, unlike some ROMANTIC GUNBLADE WIELDING RIVALS.

3) Bosses were pretty diverse, props go to Ruby/Emerald/Bizarro for variety.

4) Quite a few sidequests. Not that I particularly liked any of them, but at least the choice was there.

Yes, I'm bored.

[Dasrik]

I did have a problem with FF7's character-oriented gameplay... or lack thereof. The notable differences between the characters:

*Barret, Yuffie and Vincent could do good damage from backrow without Materia
*... that's it, really.

[Ki Shima]

what i find interestin at the end is that holy was blue like the support materia

lifestream (earths fuel and souls of the dead) was green

the green lifestream that joined the blue holy support was enough to over power the RED meteor summon

the earth and its souls were what was needed to dispel summoned viruses

they even translated the game in japan to make sure what was said in the txt was right

FF7 has aliens, ghosts, heaven, and present problems as its identity

its recognition is definetly deserved

[JackTenrac!]

Have you?
...he doesn't. After 20 twenty lines, I realized it. He's easier to read than a fan fiction written by a molested 5th Grader or an american RPG.

probably like 10 times :)
...GOLD...seriously[/quiche]

[Akutabi Gamma]

Final attack revive materia is basically a must for beating emerald...he does a move that takes all ur life off all characters.....you get it at gold saucer doing the battle arena stuff. Also....morph creatures to get powersources and give it to cloud so the omnislash can do all 9999s. A creature that gives powersources is located in gongala villiage (the village where zack parents are). The monster is some tricerotop looking thing on wheels lol...sorry dont know how to describe the monster!!!!! Havent played this game in years....thought about playing it again but i heard a remake was coming out so i will wait for the better graphics.

Wait a sec...its coming back to me, I think I remmeber how I bet those Weapons;
Team was Cloud, Cid & Barret; each had their Lvl. 4 limits...I got their HP to 7777, their Limit Breaks were at MAX I had Mime, KotR equipped to almost each of them and.....I beat the underwater Weapon (Emerald right?) WITHOUT the underwater materia! Man I remember how me and bro felt when we first beat that jackass with that strategy T_T. Thanks for bringing that up mate :tup:

[Hunter D]

I want to know if the guys that are putting down FF6 actually played the game?

[MrQuotes]

i didnt care for any of the ff7 character's other than cid. everyone else i didnt find likeable, believeable or compelling... of course strictly my opinoin so dont get all up on me and offended :sweat:

[Dataika]

Snip

I'm not going to go through and quote everything you said because that would take forever, and quite frankly I'm sick of debating this. If you want to think you've "won" the debate then go ahead. I have nothing to prove here so I don't really care.

But I refuse to sit here and debate with someone who constantly uses red-herrings and strawmen; It's just a waste of time.

EDIT: I guess it's my fault though. Arguing on SRK is stupid and arguing on SRK about Final Fantasy is even stupider. Wow, what a waste of my time.

[B&B]

Just to steer this away from the Sephka debate...

I thought FFVII was a mediocre game at best. I may just be spoiled by other RPGs which I like to define as "better," but I serioulsy had quite a few problems which I'll list down in point form because I just did 6 essay questions today and am in no mood to write anymore:

1) Pacing. FFVII had great pace in Midgar and flat out FUCKEDITUP right after that. Especially disc 2. Bloody snow place thingy.

2) Leveling system. Materia was a system to...you know play around with shit and not level up traditionally...only...you did have to level up traditionally cause it took ludicrous amounts of AP to master anything (I'm the type that pretty much never powerlevels at all. Ever). Let me put it this way, by the end of FFVII I've got a grand total of one All materia mastered. ^_^;;

3) Characters. Most were decent with enough characterisation and motivation behind them. But not Plot Device. Plot Device sold flowers, made advances on Main Character and died. WOW.

4) Consistency. Refer to: The Turks. They are able to kick everyone's ass and are supposed to be competent and shit...but...take forever to find Avalance. And that girl of Barret's. Um...wtf?

5) Minigames were shit. But so is practically everything not Triple Triad anyway.

To be fair, FFVII also did quite a few things right:

1) Materia system. While I disliked how materia got stronger, I do like that this system also allowed for dozens of interesting combinations.

2) Turks, while inconsistent, were a great choice for recurring enemies as each fight seemed drastically different from the others, unlike some ROMANTIC GUNBLADE WIELDING RIVALS.

3) Bosses were pretty diverse, props go to Ruby/Emerald/Bizarro for variety.

4) Quite a few sidequests. Not that I particularly liked any of them, but at least the choice was there.

Yes, I'm bored.


I bet alot of people disagree with that. :lol:

[HeaT]

A lot of you misundrstood Kelfka. The guy was batshit insane and did the things he did because he enjoyed it. He enjoyed causing pain and suffering. He wasn't the type of villian that you were supposed to have sympathy for. In FF6 he killed innocent people, killed a man that your characters respected (Leo), and betrayed his king without giving it a second thought. Kelfka was pure evil given a form in FF6.

too me that is why kelfka was a gay ass vilian...

someone who is intelligent and not batshit insane makes for a much more interseting villian...kind of like jigsaw from the saw series...

and someone who can be threating, visual, physically, mentally, ideologically, makes for a way better villian rather than some dude who is like im crazy kill people while im fucking fat and eat donuts all day...get the fuck out of here...if you were to put me in a fight with seph or kelfka when they were not gods, i think i can fucking stomp the shit out of kelfka...

anyway, it is all opinion as to what type of villian you prefer, i just dont prefer kelfkas type, hes pussy shit to me...fucking coward type material...

im outi

Roberth

[B&B]

lol, u sure hate him.