How Broken Are They? Most Broken Comic Super Heroes/Villains

[ReggieHadoken]

So I was reading about Magneto and wiki the other night and my jaw dropped when I found out all the crap he can do with his powers. I had no idea it went far beyond just manipulating metal. Dude can screw with the iron in your blood and even raise islands. I think I finally understand why he's considered an omega-level mutant.

So if Mags is that stupidly powerful, what about other heroes and villains?

-Superman
-Thor
-Darkseid
-Beyonder
-Dark Phoenix
-Doomsday
-Hulk
-Gladiator
-Apocolypse
-Flash

These are just a few good/bad guys I've know to have insane powers. I'm sure there's a lot more out there that I don't know about. While I enjoy reading info about heros and villains at wiki, I always have a good time discussing stuff like this with my fellow SRKers. That, and I know that many of you have far better comic book knowledge than myself.

Also, there are a few characters that could be broken but I'm not all that sure. Two of them that come to mind are the Green Lanterns and the Silver Surfer.

Oh and is it possible for Batman to be broken, mind-wise? I mean, he's an excellent fighter but I've always thought his mind was his best weapon. Didn't he beat Superman once? I bet he's got ways to take down the whole JL if it came to that.
:rofl:

[maxx]

MUTHA FUCKIN WALLY WEST WITH A FUCKIN SPEED FORCE ASSIST ....UH...MUTHAFUCKA!

-stealing momemtum ownz all. fuck all the other guys...if he steals ur momentum your fucked...no heart beating, no blood flowing..no brain function.

plus all flashes are faster than the speed of thought..i dont care how powerful a mutant or w/e is...if their faster than u think...ur dead..no matter what

-speed force is a kinda spidey sense in a way..when danger appears it will automatically kick in into hyperspeed mode. so unless u can go hyperspeed ur fucked

-can heal himself through speedforce

-can travel through time by vibrating his molecules

-can vibrate through objects..he can make them explode if he wants

he potentially has other crazy powers according to some future stuff ala kingdom come...

-eneter the speedforce being everywhere in less than a split second

-leave magnetic images..ie. holograms messages

[spudlyff8fan]

Xman (Nate Grey) and Prof X are both ridiculously broken. They can rip you in half in a second with their psychic powers.

[ReggieHadoken]

Oh I'd never forget how broken Flash is after that thread we had on him months ago. Guess he really is ultimate tier. Bet it's tough giving Flash a rogue's gallery.

X-Man was the only character to survive the Age of Apocolypse. I thought he was a cool character. He still around.

Also, what about Kitty/Shadow Cat? Girl can phase through nuclear explosions. Although some things can disrupt her phasing so I guess she isn't broken.

[Wolfkiller]

I'm sorry, but fuck the Flash. Did the writers realize how stupid of superhero he would be if all he did was run fast, so they had to jack him up with ridiculous broken powers to compensate? Hella lame. I hope the Flash trips over a fucking curb and smashes his face in at the speed of light.

[Draeger]

The One Above All > The Living Tribunal > Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

[BananaWeed]

Wait, all Flash could do was run really fast right? He didn't have superhuman strength, did he? Cause moving really fast and punching really weak is kinda lame.

[thurst]

superboy prime can punch through reality, cause innumerable retcons and create antimonitor armor all within a span of one page...superboy prime > *

[maxx]

Wait, all Flash could do was run really fast right? He didn't have superhuman strength, did he? Cause moving really fast and punching really weak is kinda lame.

dude...laws of physics....think if u got hit by a punch at hyperspeed..no matter how weak that person is..your soo fuck. think penny off empire state building x10.

im pretty sure wally had superstrength.

thurstotherapy: flash>superboy prime...i admit superboy prime is pretty fuckin broken...but being faster than thought owns u. and so does mometum steal.

[PimpC]

i don't remember what he could do, but i remember the brokeness of superboy prime being high in some tier thread discussion.....someone into comics go into detail

ninja edit: thurst took care of it for me...

[Stabby]

Magneto isn't Omega-level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutants

ALL of them are the most broken.

[4Play]

The Spectre is broken as well. He is God's vengence and is probably the most powerful of all magic users in the DCU. He fought the AntiMonitor hand to hand and raped all magic users in Infinite Crisis. Ex. he destroyed Atlantis by stepping on it:looney:.
Edit: I forgot that the Molecule Man is broken he can do what ever he wants with his powers. He even beat the Beyonder in Secert Wars 2, I think. His only limitation is his normal intelect.

[Onslaught2000]

Onslaught was hella crazy. Although I don't know how he would stand up compared to some of the other characters now, it took a hell of a lot to take him down.

[ReggieHadoken]

Magneto isn't Omega-level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutants

ALL of them are the most broken.

Mags isn't Omega-Level? My bad. I was for certain that he was.

OK, I know Franklin Richards is OL but ICE MAN? I mean, I he's got some sweet powers but OL? Someone please explain. (Anyone remember the comic where he froze the water in Emma Frost's brain? That was sweet.)

Isn't Molecule Man broken? He dropped an entire freaking mountain range on the heroes in Secret Wars!! A mountain range!!

OK so if Flash hit Superman with those super speed punches or whatever, would they really hurt him?

[Tone!]

Superman is so overrated.

I swear, anybody could beat him.. Just throw kryptonite in his face.

[maxx]

Mags isn't Omega-Level? My bad. I was for certain that he was.

OK, I know Franklin Richards is OL but ICE MAN? I mean, I he's got some sweet powers but OL? Someone please explain. (Anyone remember the comic where he froze the water in Emma Frost's brain? That was sweet.)

Isn't Molecule Man broken? He dropped an entire freaking mountain range on the heroes in Secret Wars!! A mountain range!!

OK so if Flash hit Superman with those super speed punches or whatever, would they really hurt him?

ok flash is still human..and has his limits..he may get a good punch or two in..but thats it..after that his hand would be dust. superman is not human and potentially immortal. buuuttt mometum steal is the ultimate backup. theirs an issue where superman and flash were fighting and superman took to the air at hyperpeed i believe and flash considered mometum steal. but at the altitude and speed he would cause a crater that would look like ny got disintergrated.


all marvel elementals are basically omegas...think about it iceman controls water molecules..do u know how potentially fucked up that is. all humans have water and he could probably take it all from ur system..freeze ur blood...i know he's actually teleported through the molecules in the air...thats seriously fucked up. he can bulk up using air molecules.

storm is obviously omega..but like truly keeping a sister down..is owned by closests.

Tone!: ya cuz they just leave kryptonite on the side of the street these days.

[{PFH}-Lake]

DC Captian Atom, this guy took on someone not even superman could fight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Atom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon_2001

Marvel Adom Warlock and Doctor Strange, and Deaths Head

[Zephyranthes]

If Flash is packing infinite mass, would he actually hurt his hand by punching Superman? He's punched White Martians at superspeed without damaging himself. Isn't he immune to most negative side effects of his own power?

Silver Surfer's super powerful, too. The Power Cosmic is so vaguely defined that he can do just about anything he wants. Superstrength, superspeed, near-unlimited energy projection and energy manipulation, limited control over molecular structures, invulnerability, an invincible surfboard that responds to his mental command, intense psionic resistance to hostile telepathy, and probably some more. Traveling on his board, he can even go fast enough to enter different dimensions, or some such nonsense.

I've seen the Surfer go down like a 2 dollar hooker when he faced off against a magic user, though.

I don't think there's such a thing as a broken character. There are only broken writers.

[Super Warrior]

Dc comics: Superman and Batman(bats does'ent even have powers!)

Marvel comics: juggernaut and X-man.

Juggernaut can withstand the surface of the sun and not die. He does'ent need to eat, drink, or even breath. His strength/stamina/energy is always at 100% since he never tires due to his powers being magical. Galactus was driven away by thor's godforce-blast, when the same blast hit juggs it just slowed him down and made him dizzy for a brief time. Then he resumed his rampage unharmed.

And X-Man? Sheesh is there anything this guy could'nt do?

[9999]

Thanos w/Infinity Gauntlet > all.

Who had the power of belief (he could gain any power just by believing in it)? Was it Captain Marvel?

[jae hoon]

Silver Surfer is probably the strongest mutant ever.

Galactus is pretty fucking broken to along with Professor X, if he wanted to he could just make you kill yourself and there would be nothing you could do about it.

Dont forget about Ghost Rider and Thor, Thor is a fucking god and it took Ragnarok to kill him.

[KrassHole]

Superman is so overrated.

I swear, anybody could beat him.. Just throw kryptonite in his face.



You sir are an idiot. Superman took a Kryptonite dagger to the spine and was still able to lift an entire island made of FUCKING KRYPTONITE.

Also Superman is not human while mutants are just humans with special abilities. HE is on a tier of his own.

[ReggieHadoken]

If Flash is packing infinite mass, would he actually hurt his hand by punching Superman? He's punched White Martians at superspeed without damaging himself. Isn't he immune to most negative side effects of his own power?

Silver Surfer's super powerful, too. The Power Cosmic is so vaguely defined that he can do just about anything he wants. Superstrength, superspeed, near-unlimited energy projection and energy manipulation, limited control over molecular structures, invulnerability, an invincible surfboard that responds to his mental command, intense psionic resistance to hostile telepathy, and probably some more. Traveling on his board, he can even go fast enough to enter different dimensions, or some such nonsense.

I've seen the Surfer go down like a 2 dollar hooker when he faced off against a magic user, though.

I don't think there's such a thing as a broken character. There are only broken writers.

Sounds like Flash is basically untoucable.

I wondered about Silver Surfer. I picked up some Essential Hulks and was surprised to see that he was trading blows with the Hulk. I figured if he could do that, he had to be pretty freaking good. But Silver went down against magic? So Magic > COSMIC POWERS? Are they for real with this? Dang, that sucks. And he's a mutant? Huh. Never knew that.

Yeah, I can't believe I didn't mention Superboy Prime. Didn't he bring back Jason Todd by, uh, punching a wall?

Wait, Ragnork killed Thor? BULL CRAP! I refuse to believe it! No way Thor could be taken out. But then, I don't know what Ragnaork is so I guess he is dead. Man, that sucks. Thor was Pimp.

Onslaught. I remember reading some of the stories back in '96. Great stuff. It was the X-Men, The Fantastic Four and the Avengers against him. It took, what 3 teams to take down one dude? OK, granted he was like Magneto & Xavier x 10, but still! It got even worse when Thor freed Prof X from Onslaught. Where's out TPB of this story, blast it?!

No one mentioned The Sentry yet? Dude flew out into space and ripped Carnage in half!

Isn't Peter's Spider-Sense kinda broken. He's gets a warning just before he's attacked all the time. It even detects shape shifters. OK so it can't detect his clones, Venom and Carnage. But with Spidey's new powers he got from "The Other" story arc, I wouldn't be surprised if Venom did set off Peter's Spider-Sense now.

Isn't Gladiator's powers linked to his confidence in himself? So if he thinks he can lose a fight, he actually can? So is he like a supreme, arrogant jerk all the time?

[Ukyo Tachibana]

Doomsday is really really really broken. He is the epitome of Evolution, to the point that he can overcome DEATH itself, if he meets every single possible "demise" (which is really possible because he can essentially live forever).

Let's not forget that Doomsday is Kryptonian in origin. He is basically Superman who can resurrect back from the dead, AND can get rid himself of ANY weakness that killed him beforehand.

The best that writers could do to this guy is put him in extreme confinement/prison, which still opens up the possibility of him escaping.

His only weakness would be him evolving to the highest extent that he becomes intelligent, and he grows a "soul" or a "consicence", which I believe happened in comics, anyway.

[white shadow]

No mention of Franklin Richards? For shame... he's the beginning and the end.

He could wish you out of existance, end of story.

[DropKick Murphy]

superboy prime has the abilities of pre-crisis superman right?

[thurst]

superboy prime beasted all 3 flashes, and still had to time to fashion himself some cool anti-monitor armor. it's safe to say superboy prime > flash

[spudlyff8fan]

Magneto isn't Omega-level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-Level_Mutants

ALL of them are the most broken.
Wait wait wait. Iceman is higher tier than Prof X, Cable, Magneto and Xman? Unless there is a frickin JESUS LEVEL MUTANT that all of them are on, then that's seriously stupid. I mean, Jean Grey is up there, because of the Phoenix insanity and Nate Grey can frickin remake the universe and Rachel Summers is...well...she'd probably be as strong as Xman.

But look at the rest. Elixir is powerful...when he's close. But between Storm hitting him with a thunderbolt, Cyclops eye-beaming him, Magneto hitting him with a truck, or Snoop Dogg pulling a gun on him...that leaves alot of chances for him to not do much.

Mr Immortal doesn't even frickin do anything. He just doesn't die. What did Kid Omega do? Nothing? And then he died? Wow. Top tier stuff there.

Mr M. What does he do, exactly? He seems to be able to do some powerful stuff...but they're mutants. They all do.

Vulcan? He's a scrub without Darwin. He can fly in space. Big deal. Magneto can hit him with a planet. Game over.

Yeah...that's bull.

[kaneda28]

Tony Jaa would be broken if he had a comic.:rofl:

[spudlyff8fan]

Tony Jaa would be broken if he had a comic.:rofl:

Until Bruce Lee comes back from the dead (or his alternate universe counterpart shows up) and he beats his ass down.

[ViciousSLASH]

Sigh, Carpet Lint where are you...

Okay...

Wally West didn't have super strength. He had the super power to completely break all the laws of physics.

If Wally was running at the speed of light and ran into something, a gigantic nuclear reaction would happen and basically everything would die.

But the speed force stops that. It lets him break the laws of physics and protects him from his own extreme speed.

Speed Force Flash is the ultimate comic nerd fighter.

He is faster then thought, so he can own psyhics before they psych.

He can go punch for punch with the Hulk, or Punch to soft tickle. See say Hulk throws a punch at Flash as hard as he absolutely can. Wally can just take all the kinetic energy away from that, making the punch do nothing.

If Flash runs around the earth a couple of times he will quickly gain infinite mass and his punches will destroy the Hulk or superman.

Or he would just vibrate his hand through Hulks brain.

Killing intent nerd fights, Wally West owns you. Completely.

But Flash can't fly !

So, big deal, he can take the kinetic energy of the blood flow to your brain and stop you from sending impluses to tell your body to fly. He could speed up the energy in your blood and make you boil alive.

All of this would be within a second.

One time Superman tried to shoot Wally with heat vision. Flash was like "Nigga please" and just out ran vision. HE OUT RAN VISION ! Now think about that. SUperman can vaporize people from space with his heat vision, Wally outran it, with ease.

So yeah, Flash is broken.

Iceman is broken too. He can control all forms of moisture. ALL FORMS. If Iceman wasn't such an Emo pussy afraid to use his powers, he would own everyone easily.

[Zephyranthes]

Oh, Silver Surfer isn't a mutant. He's an alien being who was infused with a portion of Galactus' power.

The most powerful mutant, and possibly the most powerful character of all time, is Doop.

Doop once popped a zit and all of his X-Force teammates got sucked into another dimension within his zit. All of them experienced a relative lifetime worth of pain and torment, even though they were only in there for less than one second. To save them, Doop had to stick his hand into his own popped pimple and pull all of his friends out.

Doop is badass enough to fight Wolverine, using a broken beer bottle against adamantium claws.

Another time, Doop's brain was shattered into several fragments, each of which had the potential to become the most powerful weapon on the planet. However, he had a backup brain in his ass and he was still able to beat up Thor without breaking a sweat- Thor threw his hammer and Doop absorbed it, then barfed out a thousand copies of Mjolnir back at him.

Doop is also immune to mind control and all forms of energy manipulation. He doesn't seem to be bound by the fourth dimension and can move through time freely. He can fly, he has superstrength, invulnerability, and is a master of fighting skills.

I would have to check my comics for more reference, but I'm pretty sure he's immune to magic, as well.

[Stabby]

He also restored Wolfsbane's powers and altered his own DNA.

Probably has something to do with that.

According to the laws of thermodynamics, cold is defined as the absence of heat. Therefore, Iceman does not actually emanate cold, but rather absorbs and dispels heat. Since heat is energy, Iceman's power then becomes a psionic ability to manipulate energy.

Mr. M has complete control over molecules. This means that virtually any conceivable thing can be accomplished. Thus far, M has displayed: repair of machinery, intangibility, energy manipulation, lightning, fire, and explosive energy generation, healing injuries either in himself or others, removal or augmentation of mutant abilities, creation of force fields, and creation and evolution of lesser life forms.

Omega-level mutants seem to be able to control simple fundamental forces on an extremely large, or complex scale.

But both Marvel and DC are both retardedly powerful, IMO.

But I think this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Jim_Jaspers) is pretty neat.

[spudlyff8fan]

The Flash is a stupid character. The main stupidity lies in how he allegedly gains power through his speed. While this is true...the fact remains that he is human. If you were thrown through the windshield of a Nascar racer going 200+ miles per hour, and you were closing in on a brick wall and punched it, would it break the brick wall? Probably not. Your arm would just collapse to about 6 inches long.

The Flash goes at thousands of miles per hour, and if he punched Superman, whose skin is harder than bricks, all that means is that when he goes in to punch Superman, he'd just end up getting crushed like he was hit by a frickin comet.

And Iceman is tough after all the power ups that he's received...but he is CERTAINLY not beyond the level of Prof X/Cable/Xman/Magneto. Yeah, he can pull the water out of the air and freeze an ocean. But that doesn't change the fact that Magneto could turn the iron in his body into a ball, and tear up his entire body from the inside out. Or that Prof X could frickin hurl him into the sun with his mind. Or that Franklin Richards could go "...I don't like you." and erase him from history.

[ReggieHadoken]

superboy prime beasted all 3 flashes, and still had to time to fashion himself some cool anti-monitor armor. it's safe to say superboy prime > flash

Now THAT's pimp. That being said, VisiousSLASHE'S Flash knowledge amazes me. Guess we finally know the full extent of Flashe's brokeness. I mean, come on, the Speed Force protects him from his own weaknesses! He is no longer broken. I dub him: ULTRA BROKEN!!!(R)

Magneto can move planets and he's NOT an OL mutant? :confused:

I tought Scarlet Witch could be broken but she's too screwed up for that to happen.

Also even some broken characters can be owned. Like Juggernaunt. Spidey fought him one time and trapped him in cement for weeks. Not sure if Firelord is broken but I do know he's much stronger than Spider-Man and Spidey beat the crap outta him.

[ChibiT89]

I dont want to live in a world where Bobby Drake is top tier. seriously.

[Sanchez]

...Doctor Strange...

Word.

Strange can pretty much do anything. A few "Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth" here and there and he can stop time, read minds, steal powers, and shoot lazers.

And if MVC2 has taught us anything--it's that lazers are top fucking tier.

[Rioting Soul]

New Sun

[Wellman]

And Iceman is tough after all the power ups that he's received...but he is CERTAINLY not beyond the level of Prof X/Cable/Xman/Magneto. Yeah, he can pull the water out of the air and freeze an ocean. But that doesn't change the fact that Magneto could turn the iron in his body into a ball, and tear up his entire body from the inside out. Or that Prof X could frickin hurl him into the sun with his mind. Or that Franklin Richards could go "...I don't like you." and erase him from history.

Franky Richards you right, but the reason Iceman is omega, is even if Professor X caused him to run straight into a truck or Magento ripped out all his body's iron, Iceman could come back.

He just has to will the air cold and go into ice form.

New Sun was cool as fuck. And wasn't Spidey tripping on Power Cosmic (or/and Captain Universe powers) when he beat Firelord?

[spudlyff8fan]

And wouldn't Scarlet Witch be an Omega-level? I mean...she erased most mutants' powers in House of M. That teeters on Franklin Richards stuff.

But Iceman is still thoroughly killable. If the Prof tossed him into the sun, or if he just did a good ol' fashioned mind wiped, he'd be throughly beaten. And if Magneto ripped all the iron out of his body...he wouldn't be able to live. He isn't made PURELY out of water, and a human body (and prolly mutant) can't live without iron in blood. Really...there are loads of guys who can kill him. And there's still plenty of ways for him to die. He's definitely not Omega-quality.

[Stanman]

Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen was pretty top tier. I'm not entirely sure how he would size up against geniuses like Dr. Doom or just flat out ultra characters like Galactus, but the way they described him in the comics pretty much point to him being a god.

[RoboGem II]

Isn't the beyonder technically speaking the most powerful entity to exist in any comic, ever?

[{PFH}-Lake]

flash got beat also by Monarch.

marvel
Alpha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_the_Ultimate_Mutant

Proteus
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/proteus.htm

Shadow King
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_King

Legion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_(Marvel_Comics)

Quentin Quire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Quire

Exodus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(comics)

Necrom
http://www.geocities.com/x_villains/necrom/necrom.html

JAMIE BRADDOCK
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm

NEMESIS
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/nemesise.htm

Cassandra Nova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Nova

Gideon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_(comics)

Deathurge
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/deathurge/deathurge.html

Dormammu
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/dormammu/dormammu.html

D'Spayre
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/dsparye/dsparye.html

Loki
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/loki/loki.html

[fishjie]

i read marvel zombies and magneto got owned pretty badly, so did silver surfer, as well as galactus...... yeah......... that's my contribution to this thread. kbye.

[spudlyff8fan]

The beyonder teeters on being a plot hole. A cosmic cube is an entity of pure energy, usable by whoever find it. Eventually they can gain self-awareness...

The Beyonder is half a cosmic cube...that somehow gained self-awareness...or something.

Either way, his ass got retconned. He's now about as powerful as Galactus.

[matrix9280]

Come on people it's obvious that Daredevil is the most broken super hero out there. I mean has anyone else had their bones and their heart broken more than Matt Murdock? I think not.

As for who may be the most overpowered well let's use simple logic. Batman (and old version well out of his prime) beat Superman and Superman beats everybody else ever basically so it's clear that Batman is ridiculously overpowered. Remember it's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters it's the size of the fight in the dog. A weapon is only as powerful as its wielder.

[spudlyff8fan]

Come on people it's obvious that Daredevil is the most broken super hero out there. I mean has anyone else had their bones and their heart broken more than Matt Murdock? I think not.

Wolverine? Just in the length of time he's been covered he's had it rougher than Daredevil. And really...Getting the adamantium ripped out probably hurt alot worse than Elektra breaking up with him.

[Goten]

I'm suprised Doom hasn't been spoken about more. Dude has magical powers, superior intellect, and stole powers from Surfer, Beyonder, Watcher, and Galatus (all 4 are broken as well). Plus the fool came back from hell. How badass is that?

Carnage symbiote was kinda broken.

Definitely Scarlet Witch is broken. Taking away mutant powers with ONLY 3 words.

Lex Luthor and Brainiac had their moments.

And Batman could take on pretty much anyone by just outwitting them.

[spudlyff8fan]

Eh, coming back from hell has been done many times in Marvel.

And on that note, Mephisto is quite broken. He's even immune to Franklin Richards' insanity (when he reshaped the world, Mephisto was erased, but came back).

[Shade]

This shit is stupid. While I fucking love comics, the extents of the more powerful characters powers is fucking idiocy.

[subaru84]

And wouldn't Scarlet Witch be an Omega-level? I mean...she erased most mutants' powers in House of M. That teeters on Franklin Richards stuff.

But Iceman is still thoroughly killable. If the Prof tossed him into the sun, or if he just did a good ol' fashioned mind wiped, he'd be throughly beaten. And if Magneto ripped all the iron out of his body...he wouldn't be able to live. He isn't made PURELY out of water, and a human body (and prolly mutant) can't live without iron in blood. Really...there are loads of guys who can kill him. And there's still plenty of ways for him to die. He's definitely not Omega-quality.

*Insert admission of Marvel noobness here*

If the Prof threw Magneto into the sun, wouldn't he be thoroughly beaten as well?

I think everybody's tking the Omega Mutant thing a bit too seriously. Are there any actual stipulations that actually class what defines an Omega-level mutant? As far as I know, immortality isn't something needed to be Omega level, just that your abilities have are in the extremely high echelons of potential. Otherwise Apocolypse would be classed as Omega-level, although he classed himself as Alpha. Mr Immortal is just that, the way I read it, immortal.

Think about it though, Drake has the potential bring on a new ice age, erasing the civilisation of the planet, bar immortals, and survive for god knows how long in his ice form. Mags, well, yeah, I agree he should be Omega-level as well, cos he could easily turn the plane into one giant electromagnet or something like that. But Drake could snap-freeze the moisture in Mags body, freezing his brain, heart and all that shit, just as easily as Mags could pull out the iron in someone's blood.

I agree, however, Franky R > all. Period.

[spudlyff8fan]

Magneto can put up a fight against the Professor. Magneto can frickin bolt himself to the ground.

The Omega Level denotes superiority over the Alpha Level. And the notion that any of the mutants can can possibly touch the bottom of the power of the characters who are the epitome of strength in theseries is just wrong. Especially considering how almost all of the Omegas have generally unimpressive powers, died stupid deaths or just don't match up with the better characters.

[stupid newbie]

Omega level reffers to unlimited potential, not current power. So if the full extent of an omega level mutant was unlocked (by fighting an infinite amount of monkeys for an infinite amount of time or something) then they could rape everyone in the universe simultaneously. Being as that'll probably never happen, saying someone is top tier because their omega level doesn't really mean anything.

[spudlyff8fan]

Can Ice Man become as powerful as Prof X? Ever? I doubt that anybody would say so.

At least Mister I'm-a-Regular-Guy-Who-Can't-Die has eternity to get something to make him not suck.

[white shadow]

Wait how is Elixir Omega level? Everyone has access to limitless energies and he can only manipulate organic substances.... IN FRONT OF HIM!!!:lame:

[SmoothCat]

Frank R and Nate G. I mean wtf how broken are they

[Stuckey]

Yeah, all these guys are pretty broke.

Anthony Stark is RICH.

Iron Man. 2008. Bitches.

[Fuccon]

This is pretty ambiguous, but there was an episode of the X-Men cartoon about Gambits past. There was like lady that could imprison you in this alternate dimension. I remember thinkings she should just do that to Apocalypse or Magneto.

No clue what her name is, but thats pretty damn broken.

[subaru84]

*referring to white shadow's post*

I dunno. He is a noob, but perhaps he could one day manipulate biological matter just by looking at it. I was under the impression that the Omega level mutants generally had some sort of ability to manipulate matter at it's most basic level, which is kinda what Elixir does. He literally recreates the living tissue by rearranging the particles that make it up. Just like how he killed Stryker by necrotising the bastard.

He has the potential, not necessarily current power, to cause uber-fucking damage to a person, but I think the reason that he's classed as omega is because of his ability to heal. Hell, in that future timeline of Prodigy's, Elixirs blood was used to cure cancer, AIDs and pretty much every sickness known throughout history.

You don't have to have god-like powers to be classed as Omega, nor do you have to be skilled with your powers. Power really has nothing to do with it at all. It's just that you have a pre-defined potential for your strain of mutation. The potential for Elixir, Jean, Frankie R, and Drake just happens to be higher than the Alphas.

And yeah, if Bobby Drake is defined by Marvel as an Omega, then yes, he has the potential to become more powerful than the Prof or Mags, and he has the highest potential to reach the Phoenix stage of evolution. Whether he does or not is up to him, although my bet is definitely that he won't.

He would get schooled by the Prof and Mags, but he has the potential to become superior to both.

But eh, this thread's about broken characters, not bitching about a tosspot like little Jack Frostyknob.

I say we return to topic.

[maxx]

Frank R and Nate G. I mean wtf how broken are they

lol franklin richards..at the age of like fuckin 10...made his own planet...nuff said.

ViciousSLASH: props to vicious for holding the flash family down. but i still believe he cant punch superman. because of alien physiology, like the speedforce gives flash limited shielding but infinite punches would still make his hand dust fighting supes straight on.

[aznflict]

lol franklin richards..at the age of like fuckin 10...made his own planet...nuff said.

ViciousSLASH: props to vicious for holding the flash family down. but i still believe he cant punch superman. because of alien physiology, like the speedforce gives flash limited shielding but infinite punches would still make his hand dust fighting supes straight on.

although this occured in a cartoon series (and not in comic book continuity), there was this one episode of JL/JLU and it was Flash vs. Superman (but he was altered). Flash started throwing little pebbles at Supes really fast, disorienting Supes for a moment. Then when Supes came to and tried to punch the Flash, the Flash dodged all of the punches, then grabbed the last punch and spun Supes around craxy, then launched Supes into the air with all of the momentum.

That moment right there was solid gold. Also, the episode where Flash beat Luthor/Braniac single-handedly by running around the globe a bunch of times, and punching dude in the chest.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Tenebrous/Aegis>galatus>all

[G.O.T]

dr.doom tricked f. richards. doom owns all without powers. all of these over-powered ass mutants getting beasted by intellect? that makes nobodys sense at all.

[Christ0pher]

lol franklin richards..at the age of like fuckin 10...made his own planet...nuff said.

ViciousSLASH: props to vicious for holding the flash family down. but i still believe he cant punch superman. because of alien physiology, like the speedforce gives flash limited shielding but infinite punches would still make his hand dust fighting supes straight on.


Why fight head on (ie fair)? I'm sure theres a piece or two of kryptonite somewhere in the justice league tower that The Flash can take and implant in Supes brain.

[Adam Warlock]

Xman (Nate Grey) and Prof X are both ridiculously broken.

Prof X has no teke.


X-Man was the only character to survive the Age of Apocolypse. I thought he was a cool character. He still around.


No on both counts.

The One Above All > The Living Tribunal > Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet

No, IG makes the user = TLT.


OK, I know Franklin Richards is OL but ICE MAN? I mean, I he's got some sweet powers but OL? Someone please explain. (Anyone remember the comic where he froze the water in Emma Frost's brain? That was sweet.)



Ice man can't be killed as long as their is water in the atmosphere.


Silver Surfer is probably the strongest mutant ever.


Silver surfer isn't a mutant.

Galactus is pretty fucking broken to along with Professor X, if he wanted to he could just make you kill yourself and there would be nothing you could do about it.

Against most of these guys, prof x can't. Their powers are beyond his.

Dont forget about Ghost Rider and Thor, Thor is a fucking god and it took Ragnarok to kill him.


Thor is broken. Ghost Rider is damn near shit tier.

Wait wait wait. Iceman is higher tier than Prof X, Cable, Magneto and Xman?

Cable is implied Omega. That list isn't complete; it's just who the writer's explicitly state are omega.


Unless there is a frickin JESUS LEVEL MUTANT that all of them are on, then that's seriously stupid. I mean, Jean Grey is up there, because of the Phoenix insanity and Nate Grey can frickin remake the universe and Rachel Summers is...well...she'd probably be as strong as Xman.

Nate and Rachel are implied as well. Rachel has to be Omega because she has the potential to be a pheonix host and only Omega mutants can host the phoenix without burning themselves up.

But look at the rest. Elixir is powerful...when he's close. But between Storm hitting him with a thunderbolt, Cyclops eye-beaming him, Magneto hitting him with a truck, or Snoop Dogg pulling a gun on him...that leaves alot of chances for him to not do much.

It has nothing to do with who wins in a fight. Just their individual potential.



Mr M. What does he do, exactly?

Anything he wants. He's the mutant equivalent of Jesus, resurrection and all. if he wills it, it is.



He isn't made PURELY out of water.

Yes he is and because of this, the rest of your assumption falls flat.

Can Ice Man become as powerful as Prof X? Ever? I doubt that anybody would say so.


YES. You're still underestimating him greatly.

[Stabby]

Elixir could change his DNA to give himself other powers.

[Adam Warlock]

Elixir could change his DNA to give himself other powers.

Elixir could do that, take away people's poweres, etc.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Iceman could be on some flash type brokeness.
Prof X is wayyy overated now a days.
Rouge has the potenial to be crazy broken as well.

The most powerful super hero's on earth Marvel wise has to be like Doctor strange or hulk or Thor.

Villians are hard to rank, because they change so much. But i'd have to go with Cassandra Nova or someone like Dr Doom.

[TrueSephiroth]

Just curious, for people who'll know it better than me, but wasn't Legion pretty badass? I mean, he was ignoring much of the X-Men during his little charade to own up on Magneto, and Jean couldn't really do anything to him as well.."if" I remember correctly, to wether she was in her Phoenix form or whatever I don't remember(been forever since I read it), but I do remember Legion being pretty powerful as well..oh well, maybe it's just me.

X-Man is w/out a doubt, right up there, it's ridiculous what he's capable of doing.

[Shinto]

Why Hulk?

Jean Grey is my love, which piss me off about the movie, Wolverine is shit tier.

Ninja Edit:

In Excalibur vol. 1 #100, the Xavier Protocols reveal that the removal of adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton increased his healing factor to "incredible levels" and that the only way to kill him is to remove his head from the vicinity of his body.

wtf?

[acesmith5]

What about Gladiator?

I know he seems to get owned up time and again, but potentially where does he rank?

Like he's base level superman powered right? With his power having a telekinetic link to his ego? I know he's destroyed planets and such. In theory, if he would just believe that he could take down Thanos....could he?



Shinto:

What are you WTFing? lol
Adamantium is toxic, so while Wolvie has it in him a percentage of his healing factor is constantly in use to heal from the toxic. When it's removed he gets his healing factor @ 100%. Like when Ultimate hulk ripped him in two pieces....lol he just put himself back together again =P

[DoublexxCyclone]

Iceman owns magneto by far if they were at the same stages in their power control. Ok the human body needs iron survive, but the human body is like 75% water. The Earth is like 75% water, and almost all other inhabitable planets are 50% and up. Not to mention that hydrogen is the most abundant substance in the universe. In that sense Iceman has more ammo than any other elemental mutant. Don't forget the other part of his power energy absorption/transfer. Everyone needs energy to use their powers, i don't care who they are.

[OmNiExiZt]

There are to many characters in both the DC and Marvel univers that are considered godlike. But they might as well be gods. I've ran across a bunch of obscure characters whose names that I can't remeber. But I'm sure if you search long enough you'll find something on the wiki. There are a lot of characters that have powers that evolve well beyond the power of thought. Anybody that can do that is broken. Look at the silver surfer, his powers are just the tip of the iceberg and they were given to him by someone else. So there are people that could turn you into an egg salad sandwhich and then make you eat yourself because you can't deny the deliciousness that is you.

*ONEZ*

[9999]

This shit is stupid. While I fucking love comics, the extents of the more powerful characters powers is fucking idiocy.

I have to agree here, I think theyre getting pretty out of hand with all these super-broken characters.

Remember a few years back when Iceman had his chest crushed, and he wouldve died if he turned back to human form? Theres one way to fuck up that mutant...

[Dem-Dem]

Not sure if anyone remembers firestorm the nuclear man from the dc universe but that guy was completely broken he had the powers of the Green lantern corps with no weaknesses like superman and everything he created was the real thing! how broken is that. kyrptonite cages from then air. dimensional portals. Broken he is I say.

[Shinto]

Shinto:

What are you WTFing? lol
Adamantium is toxic, so while Wolvie has it in him a percentage of his healing factor is constantly in use to heal from the toxic. When it's removed he gets his healing factor @ 100%. Like when Ultimate hulk ripped him in two pieces....lol he just put himself back together again =P


so with his adamantium gone he has his bone claws? or no claws?
My, I need to read comics again, Im so lost :rolleyes: where should I start?

[Dem-Dem]

I have to agree here, I think theyre getting pretty out of hand with all these super-broken characters.

Remember a few years back when Iceman had his chest crushed, and he wouldve died if he turned back to human form? Theres one way to fuck up that mutant...

lol think if he was decapitated then he'd be a talken head.

[rusbar]

dude...laws of physics....think if u got hit by a punch at hyperspeed..no matter how weak that person is..your soo fuck. think penny off empire state building x10.

im pretty sure wally had superstrength.

thurstotherapy: flash>superboy prime...i admit superboy prime is pretty fuckin broken...but being faster than thought owns u. and so does mometum steal.

that's actually a bad example. in the end the penny wouldn't do much damage because it's too small to do anything. falling you'd eventually reach terminal velocity. it was proven false on myth busters.

but with a lot of people who had simple powers, they eventually used physics to explain the build up of powers. orginally mags could ONLY control metal. but then if you use physics to explain things, he's using the magnetic spectrum to control metal. magnetic spectrum is involved in tons of other things, hence new powers.

same thing with iceman. originally he could ONLY turn into ice. if you expand it, then he controls the freezing points of objects, thus enabling him to freeze things other than himself. but wait, if he can freeze things, that means he has control of water, water=>water vapor=> other things.

As to the whole superman thing, they just decided to give him extra shit. originally superman was just that, a man who was super, stronger, jumped higher, but then all of a sudden he started flying and shit. gah whatever.

[DeathScythe]

Not sure if anyone remembers firestorm the nuclear man from the dc universe but that guy was completely broken he had the powers of the Green lantern corps with no weaknesses like superman and everything he created was the real thing! how broken is that. kyrptonite cages from then air. dimensional portals. Broken he is I say.

Too bad Deathstroke killed him good during Identity Crisis. He's just like Captain Atom. A good stab in the suit and you watch the fireworks fly. Their abilities can only take them so far.

Green Lantern can be helluva lot more broken these days due to the fact that the Corps is no longer immune to yellow.

I still agree with Thurstotherapy. Superboy Prime > *

[ReggieHadoken]

Spider-Man, fought a number of foes in his Cosmic/Captain Universe state. Among those were Magneto and the Tri-Sentienal. Not sure if Firelord was one of those that he fought, but I do know that there was a time he fought Firelord before he got cosmic powers. And Spidey owned him. He may not be brokeb but Spidey can definitly hold his own against characters that are far more powerful than he is.

Doop. At first I thought he wasn't real but then I did a wiki search and bam, there he was. Unba-freakin'-lievable. Amazing powers and what's more, he looks like a green peanut!:rofl:

So Frank R has reality-altering powers and he's not even a teen yet? Wow. No wonder Onslaught wanted that kid.

Wolverine's healing factor makes him broken. His adamantium was ripped out and he lived. He was stapped in the neck... with his own claws and he lived. Marvel wants him to be broken because if he was killed off, our universe would cease to exist. Watch, whatever server injury Wolvernie gets, no matter how close it comes to killing him, they will counter that with the healing factor. The healing factor owns joo.

Iceman. 70% of the human body is water. Moister is like always in the air. Much of the Earth is water. Yeah, I'm starting to see his potential now. Too bad he'll never live up to it.

Aren't the Green Lanter's kinda broken? The ring is only limited to imagination so... plus they are not immune to yellow anymore, which had to be one of the gayest weekness I've ever seen. Props to whoever's idea it was to get rid of it.

[DeathScythe]

I hate to be a thread killer but Goku > all



Good attempt. But The Flash(Wally West) >>>>>> Goku.

[evilmuffinmanX]

iceman=t1000


the only way you can kill him is with a grenade laucher to the chest and hoping that he falls into a pool of hot melted metal and then after he dies...

then you have to lower your self into the metel also while giving a thumbs up and smiling at your son/brother/boyfriend, no escape! -_-

[Return of Shiki]

This is why I stopped giving a damn about any comic series after 1995.

Some of this stuff is straight up retarded. And idiotic fanboy/writer driven, to boot.

Wolverine is damn near immortal without Adamantium?
To quote Million: "Get out of here with that bullshit".

[9999]

This is why I stopped giving a damn about any comic series after 1995.

Some of this stuff is straight up retarded. And idiotic fanboy/writer driven, to boot.

Wolverine is damn near immortal without Adamantium?
To quote Million: "Get out of here with that bullshit".

Thats exactly how I felt when he was ripped in two by the Hulk. I was like "how the fuck did he live? :confused: "

[Gasp]

fuck I need to raid Adam Warlock's closest

that man knows wtf is up

[{PFH}-Lake]

This shit is stupid. While I fucking love comics, the extents of the more powerful characters powers is fucking idiocy. In Marvel theres a list of power

1.is the gods, like the Watcher and god of time and so on
2.then theres the intergalactic beings, like Adam Warlock and Count Abyss
3.is the mutants and the super humans like iron man

[ViciousSLASH]

ViciousSLASH: but i still believe he cant punch superman. because of alien physiology, like the speedforce gives flash limited shielding but infinite punches would still make his hand dust fighting supes straight on.

He can punch him.

Infinate Mass means he can punch him all he wants. Non infinate mass means he would break his hands. But flash can attain infinate mass in seconds. Probably less.

One time flash punched grodd repeatedly in the face with normal punches, broke his hand and then it healed in a couple seconds. He had to rebreak it like 3 times so it would heal properly.

The Speedforce gives flash complete shielding from his self and others. That is why he can run around with Linda ( I think that's her name ) and not have her die.

If you are going to rank the villians, and not include gods.

Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.

And Shiki, it's all up to the writer. That is why writing is so important. You gotta balance the heroes and villians powers so they all aren't broken, but they all aren't pussies.

[9999]

Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.



Oh shit, Doom can do that? If so, thats fuckin crazy...

[FurryCurry]

Silver Surfer is probably the strongest mutant ever.
.

Damn dude how'd you fuck that up. Mutant? The Surfer? GTFO.

Hulk is pretty broken. God only knows what will happen when he comes back to Earth pissed the fuck off. I want to see him limit break on the Marvel Universe so bad.

[DoublexxCyclone]

Dr. Doom owns all...

[Devil X]

He can punch him.


Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.



:rofl:

[Adam Warlock]

Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.


The same dude who lost to Luke Cage by himself? And Squirrel Girl? Real top tier.

[Jimmy the Hand]

You sir are an idiot. Superman took a Kryptonite dagger to the spine and was still able to lift an entire island made of FUCKING KRYPTONITE.

Also Superman is not human while mutants are just humans with special abilities. HE is on a tier of his own.

Naw, you are talking movie Superman which didn't follow the comics in a lot of ways.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

The same dude who lost to Luke Cage by himself? And Squirrel Girl? Real top tier.

LOL :rofl: if only I still had those scans....

[De4dEyE]

...Snoop Dogg pulling a gun on him...

:rofl:

I'm not even sure why, but this had me rolling.

[Gasp]

also didn't doom get his fucking shit ruined when latveria was crushed?

by....shit i dun remember i just remember latveria got fucking CRUSHED

[DoublexxCyclone]

future hiro owns all....

[ViciousSLASH]

The same dude who lost to Luke Cage by himself? And Squirrel Girl? Real top tier.

Don't you have a battle poll to rig ?

[Saotome Kaneda]

Juggs from X-Men issues before they even got in the double digits > *

[UncleBuck]

Lobo owns all. Give the beast some alcohol and point him in the right direction. Sit back and watch.

[matrix9280]

Punisher did kill the Marvel Universe...

[Carpet Lint]

So we are all in agreement.

Doop > *

[Carpet Lint]

Okay, so listen. Never bet against the Flash, and never argue with VSlash about the Flash.

JLA #3, while fighting, Flash races the superspeedster white martian Zum around the world.

At the beginning of the fight, they knock a pot out of a dude's hands somewhere in like...I don't know, let's say India because the people looked kinda brown there.

White martians, by the way, are just like green martians (ie. Martian Manhunter and Charlie Villaneuva) which means that they have Superman-level strength, speed, and DURABILITY.

Zum is also a martian that specialized in speed, so he's in probability faster than Superman.

Flash eventually goes "Fuck this shit, imma go home and bone my Asian wife." and jacks it up to light speed, and he RUNS AROUND THE WORLD and hits Zum from behind.

He appears to Zum like a beam of light, and notes that "I could hit him a thousand times before he could blink. Once ought to do it."

Lightspeed punches him ONCE, and because his mass has approached infinity at the speed of light (COMIC BOOK PHYSICS - IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER), it's like hitting him with the mass of a white drawf star or some shit. And he knocks Zum out, sending him literally into the next continent at escape velocity.

And then the Flash smokes a cigar Red Auerbach style, molests the entire Maxim Top 100 Girls list at imperceptible superspeeds, catches AIDS from Paris Hilton, HEALS FORM AIDS at superspeed, runs all the way back to India, AND CATCHES THE POT THAT FELL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIGHT.

So he knocked the fuck out of a Superman level baddie with one punch - even though he could have thrown a thousand - in less than a second.

And then in Flash #209, Superman's trying to catch the Flash, and the Flash is all like "OMG LOLZ I could always run faster than Supes, I was just fuckin' with him all these years" and proceeds to deke his shit like Superman was the slowest and fattest linebacker of all time, and at one point flat out, literally OUT RUNS HIS HEAT VISION.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you conclusive evidence that Flash owns Superman for free Mondays through Saturdays and twice on Sundays.

...except if Superman flies into space at superspeed at the beginning of the fight and just explodes the entire Earth.

...then Superman would own Flash.

By the way, these threads should be banned. I'm sitting there lurking around in GD, and I see this thread...and I do all I can to resist posting in it for like four entire days, but you guys keep bumping it up, and eventually I'm back in it. And a new vicious cycle of comic book tomfoolery begins and it always ends with me unconscious, lying face down in a gutter five miles outside of Delaware with a dead chicken up my ass.

BAN THESE THREADS

[Difoj]

The End Thanos, absorbed everything :wow: including The Living Tribunal

[matrix9280]

Carpet Lint you've proved that Flash is faster than Superman which is no surprise but that doesn't mean that he's strong enough or (much more importantly) smart enough to actually best Superman in combat.

You can play theory fighter all you want but the fact of the matter is that Superman has more combat experience and intelligence in his pinky than the Flash has all over. And that will always rule the day over who's more "powerful".

It doesn't really matter anyway. Batman would kick both their asses.

[Shade]

Carpet Lint you've proved that Flash is faster than Superman which is no surprise but that doesn't mean that he's strong enough or (much more importantly) smart enough to actually best Superman in combat.

You can play theory fighter all you want but the fact of the matter is that Superman has more combat experience and intelligence in his pinky than the Flash has all over. And that will always rule the day over who's more "powerful".

It doesn't really matter anyway. Batman would kick both their asses.

Holy shit. Perfect way to describe this and every other thread about tiering.

Fucking THEORY FIGHTER.

[ViciousSLASH]

Carpet Lint you've proved that Flash is faster than Superman which is no surprise but that doesn't mean that he's strong enough or (much more importantly) smart enough to actually best Superman in combat.

You can play theory fighter all you want but the fact of the matter is that Superman has more combat experience and intelligence in his pinky than the Flash has all over. And that will always rule the day over who's more "powerful".

It doesn't really matter anyway. Batman would kick both their asses.

Ha ! My ass !

One time batman tried to wise crack to the flash and Wally made Batman poop his pants.

Bats grabbed Flash and wally said "The only reason you are touching me is because I am letting you" and Batman peed himself. Don't fuck with Wally West when his family or Barry is involved. He will kill you.

I don't think anyone in the DC universe has more knowledge about their powers then Flash. So don't bring that weak ass "Isn't experienced" bullshit in hurr. Wally was trained by DC's greatest hero. BARRY FUCKING ALLEN. Barry "The only reason the DC universe still exists is because of me" Allen.

BARRY ALLEN, FLASH FACT MASTER NUGGA ! What other superhero has a list of FACTS that they can spout in combat when they are whipping your ass ? And he taught all of that shit to Wally. This was before Wally became one with the speed force.

He's not only stronger then Supes but is more then compentent enough in his powers to own him completely.

CL is right, Superman COULD fly away and blow up the earth. But only if Flash didn't feel like stealing all his energy and making him fall to the ground like a wuss. Read Flash 209, Flash was like "Yo, I could just take all his momentum away and send him crashing into a mountain range 3 continents over, but I will just run, run, run brah easy peezy"

Flash could also speed superman up and send him completely out of our galaxy. That would be hilarious. Supes would fly up and then be like "WTF, WHOAMG ! I can't stop !"

And Batman also gets Pwned by Captain AMERICA ! SWINGS HIS MIGHTY SHIELD !

And this ain't no theory fighter when this shit actually happened. Flash has gots the goods and the proof in actual comic form. You can't beat him. You can't. HE IS TOO POWAHFOO.

[Jaldaboath]

Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[FOBio]

i didn't think this thread was gonna form to a theory fighting "who beats who" shit all over again. rather, i thought this thread was gonna talk about omega level heroes and other broken people. i guess that's what always happens though....

[Jaldaboath]

Introspection Man (http://www.comics.com/comics/frazz/archive/frazz-20061025.html) > ***

[matrix9280]

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't all of Flash's power come from something or somewhere called the Speed Force. Wouldn't it be a simple matter for someone like Batman to have protocols in place (which I believe he has for all of the Justice League)to deny access to this ability? Then what would the Flash be left with? Not much. Skill beats power.

[ViciousSLASH]

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't all of Flash's power come from something or somewhere called the Speed Force. Wouldn't it be a simple matter for someone like Batman to have protocols in place (which I believe he has for all of the Justice League)to deny access to this ability? Then what would the Flash be left with? Not much. Skill beats power.

That would be like Batman turning off physics.

Ain't gonna happen. :angel:

[Christ0pher]

Your wrong. I'll let Vslash explain why since his posts>>>mine.


haha!

[white shadow]

You know what always freaking confused me about the Marvel universe?

Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Captain America, even the Hulk, and many other "accidental mutants" are often celebrated as heroes by the masses, and yet genetic mutants are "freaks" and deserve to be eliminated? I never got that seeing how they lived in the same universe.:confused: :lame:

[DeathScythe]

You know what always freaking confused me about the Marvel universe?

Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Captain America, even the Hulk, and many other "accidental mutants" are often celebrated as heroes by the masses, and yet genetic mutants are "freaks" and deserve to be eliminated? I never got that seeing how they lived in the same universe.:confused: :lame:


Spiderman celebrated by the masses? Hell, no. Have you not read anything Spiderman in the past 30 years? Spidey is hated by the media and the people because he's a costumed vigilante. There's more hate directed towards him than any other hero/mutant/sentinel creator out there.

[Thongboy Bebop]

There's one thing I've never understood about the Flash, and no one's been able to explain it to me. It sounds kind of dumb, but it's logically sound to the best of my knowledge.

Ok, so if Flash moves at these ridiculous rates of speed, he has to be able to process all of the incoming information hella quickly, yes? Likesay, he'd have to have comparable speed in his reflexes and his optical nerves and such. By that rationale, shouldn't all of his neurons fire at a greatly increased rate of speed? Which is to say, if his brain activity is that quick, shouldn't he have basically eons worth of time to think over things?

Given the extended amount of time he can basically sit, ponder, and logically think pretty much anything through at any given moment, shouldn't Flash be like Preptime Batman +10?

N

[white shadow]

Spiderman celebrated by the masses? Hell, no. Have you not read anything Spiderman in the past 30 years? Spidey is hated by the media and the people because he's a costumed vigilante. There's more hate directed towards him than any other hero/mutant/sentinel creator out there.

I have read my fair share of comics showing Spiderman being celebrated by many people as a hero. Apart from his sworn enemies, J.J., and those few story arcs where everybody was written to hate him, Spiderman is treated more famous than imfamous in Marvel.

I'm more surprised you didn't reply about the Hulk more than Spiderman. lol

[ViciousSLASH]

Given the extended amount of time he can basically sit, ponder, and logically think pretty much anything through at any given moment, shouldn't Flash be like Preptime Batman +10?

N

Read the arc where the thinker takes over his brain.

Flash's brain is literally the greatest computer in the universe. For example...

One time a bridge fell down, he went to the library and read all the engineering books, basically became a master engineer and then fixed the bridge.

But he forgot all that shortly, thing is he can't retain what he learns through super speed. Impluse can, and he has the potential to become even MORE broken then Wally West.

Also, Batman is the greatest detective and is a incredibly bright genius backed by a gigantic fortune. Flash isn't some dumbass, but who can really compare to Batman mentally ? There aren't many. ( Lex Luthor ! )

[DeathScythe]

I have read my fair share of comics showing Spiderman being celebrated by many people as a hero. Apart from his sworn enemies, J.J., and those few story arcs where everybody was written to hate him, Spiderman is treated more famous than imfamous in Marvel.

I'm more surprised you didn't reply about the Hulk more than Spiderman. lol



I don't know. I never really cared for the Hulk. He always seemed like a craptacular hero to me. Even when McFarlane drew him he still sucked. I always felt that Spidey had more haters than he had fans. Or maybe I've just been reading too many Goddamn Ultimate Spidey issues. Fuck. Civil War is delaying my Amazing Spidey stuff. Damnit.

[Epicurus]

There's one thing I've never understood about the Flash, and no one's been able to explain it to me. It sounds kind of dumb, but it's logically sound to the best of my knowledge.

Ok, so if Flash moves at these ridiculous rates of speed, he has to be able to process all of the incoming information hella quickly, yes? Likesay, he'd have to have comparable speed in his reflexes and his optical nerves and such. By that rationale, shouldn't all of his neurons fire at a greatly increased rate of speed? Which is to say, if his brain activity is that quick, shouldn't he have basically eons worth of time to think over things?

Given the extended amount of time he can basically sit, ponder, and logically think pretty much anything through at any given moment, shouldn't Flash be like Preptime Batman +10?

N


Flash can compute and process information at hyperspeeds compared to normal people. In one comic, kid flash ran into a library and read every book within like a half an hour or something, and he understood what he was reading, he lectured someone on evolution after.

He can compute things very quickly and process data at light speeds but that doesn't mean hes as creative or intelligent as batman. Soon computers will be able to process data and analyze information faster than any human brain can, but they still won't be at our level of "intelligence" and problem solving.

[ReggieHadoken]

i didn't think this thread was gonna form to a theory fighting "who beats who" shit all over again. rather, i thought this thread was gonna talk about omega level heroes and other broken people. i guess that's what always happens though....

I hear ya. I like the Flash, but I really didn't want this thread to turn into a debate about how Flash can own virtually anyone. He may be broken but he's not the only one.

Doom turned off Magneto's mutant gene? Freaking sweet!!:rofl:

Does Doop still appear in Marvel comics these days? I wouldn't mind picking up some issues about him.

Also, what about Deadpool? Doesn't he also have a healing factor?

[Jaldaboath]

Also, Batman is the greatest detective and is a incredibly bright genius backed by a gigantic fortune. Flash isn't some dumbass, but who can really compare to Batman mentally ? There aren't many. ( Lex Luthor ! )Come to think about it, I've heard Lex called a lvl 13(?) intellect; but I can't remember Batman's level ever stated, nor what does this stuff actually means. Can someone help me out here?

Also, which is the arc in which Bats owns the justice league? I have heard tons of stuff coming out of that arc, but I've never read it.

[The Damned]

Doom turned off Magneto's mutant gene? Freaking sweet!!:rofl:

You know what's even sweeter? When the Fantastic Four fooled Magneto into thinking that he lost his powers (before this whole bullshit with Wanda) with a wooden gun.

Haha. Don't fuck with the Fantastic Four or anyone related to them. Although many may find them boring, so many of the people they face regularly would kick the crap at out of at least half of the Marvel universe, and this isn't even counting von Doom.

Speaking of which, Susan Richards is pretty damn powerful. Absolutely not broken like high-level TK users aka reality-warpers or even high level telepaths, but she's way stronger than most people think her to be.

Does Doop still appear in Marvel comics these days? I wouldn't mind picking up some issues about him.

I think he's still dead like the rest of Statix X unless I missed something.

I still find it fucked up that they all died in the last issue despite it being fitting. (Then again, it figures that comic with the most regular deaths has some of the most interesting characters.)

Also, what about Deadpool? Doesn't he also have a healing factor?

Wade still has a healing factor as far as I know. I don't think he has anything else other than some alliance with Cable, a sick sense of humor, and possibly immunity to permanent death since Death might still "love" him.

*shiver*

Also, which is the arc in which Bats owns the justice league? I have heard tons of stuff coming out of that arc, but I've never read it.

It was the JLA's "Tower of Babel" arc IIRC. I'm pretty sure that's the name of it, but I don't really read DC because most of their main people are so overpowered as proven by Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Superman.



Speaking about powerful woman and Magneto getting owned in the same post has me thinking about Photon aka Captain Marvel II. What the fuck happened to her? You would think that someone could turn into freaking light--we all know that lightspeed owns pretty much anything--wouldn't drop off the radar and I'm pretty sure she's not dead or depowered, since she was in The Avengers "Dissambled" arc and she's not a mutant, respectively.

Anyway, I remember Adam Warlock IIRC bringing instances where she just waltzed through Magneto's impentretable CoA forcefield because it was transculent and where she easily got with Rogue flying almost supersonic, if not supersonic, speed while flying backwards to chat and then zipped off in the other direction extremely fast.

You would think that she would get more press, but maybe it's because she's a black woman that isn't Storm (and thus doesn't get kidnapped by fucking everyone or get to have hot, exotic, sweaty ethnic sex with Black Panther or Forge).

P.S. Magneto is powerful, but overrated, especially when it comes to staying with in-character use of powers. (Speaking of which, I have a theory....)

[Jaldaboath]

It was the JLA's "Tower of Babel" arc IIRC. I'm pretty sure that's the name of it, but I don't really read DC because most of their main people are so overpowered as proven by Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Superman.Thanks Damned. Can anyone hook me up with it? I would go to the stre and try to get it, but I'm already spending unholy amounts of cash in comics with Superman-Batman and all of Udon's SF stuff, not to mention I just bought (and read through) the whole CotIE arc...

[{PFH}-Lake]

Ya i wish i had my old comics of were every super hero died but, Deaths Head, Wolv, and Hulk.

[archetype]

vulcan is pretty strong. And vulcan with his dead friends in him was even stronger.

Edit: Black Bolt isn't a mutant but thought he should get a mention. Celestials > Black Bolt however. Flash wins in the DC universe except maybe to "God". And End Thanos(probably not canon) would win the marvel universe. Or who ever has the heart of the infinite. Celestials > Earth tho. EMBRYO in earth owns all.

[MvC2fanatic]

superboy prime can punch through reality, cause innumerable retcons and create antimonitor armor all within a span of one page...superboy prime > *



somebody explain to me superboy prime

[The Damned]

Edit: Black Bolt isn't a mutant but thought he should get a mention. Celestials > Black Bolt however. Flash wins in the DC universe except maybe to "God". And End Thanos(probably not canon) would win the marvel universe. Or who ever has the heart of the infinite. Celestials > Earth tho. EMBRYO in earth owns all.

This isn't restricted to mutants.

It's merely that a lot of people have been riding the Master of Magnetism's hard-as-iron Viagra-injected jock, and they're quite liking it.


You just reminded that Black Bolt is "utterly pimp" and one of the powerful people that F4 usually hangs around that can beat the living crap out of most Earthlings and quite a lot of extraterrestrials. (I need to find that fucking thread that honored him on another forum. It was quite informative.)

The End Thanos was utterly broken is probably as powerful as the DC version of God given that God let Lobo tear up Heaven for a while if I so remember; I consider The End Thanos a one-time thing, however.

Speaking of Thanos, what the fuck ever happened to Hunger?

[ReggieHadoken]

Magneto got owned by the Fantastic Four with a WOODEN GUN? That's boss! They must have really screwed with him if they could do that!!:lol:

The FF are a very interesting group. Each member is cool in their own right. And isn't Susan the most poweful member of the group? It's more than just invisibility, baby. I remmber in a recent issue of FF, part of the Civil War tie-in. Reed says he's doing everything he is to protect Sue. She then activates her powers, putting holes through a couple of ceilings and she's like "Do I look like I need to be protected?!"

And no more Doop? Awwww.:sad:

So far no one has gone into how broken Thor, Gladiator on Sentry (well Sentry I'm not so sure about) can be. I'd especially like to hear about Thor.

Galactus. He eats planets. 'Nuff said.

[ViciousSLASH]

You just reminded that Black Bolt is "utterly pimp" and one of the powerful people that F4 usually hangs around that can beat the living crap out of most Earthlings and quite a lot of extraterrestrials. (I need to find that fucking thread that honored him on another forum. It was quite informative.)



Black Bolt has crazy powers.

He draws in a form of energy and then can use it amplify himself in all sorts of ways.

The whole "I can blow everything up by talking" is just icing on the cake. Master blow anyone ?

People always bitch about DC having all the broken heroes, but look, if Marvel created a super hero team called "The Royals" with Namor, Thor, Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Wolverine ( you know he'd have to be there ) that team would be broken as all fuck.

Black Panther is basically the black batman with better tech and a whole country behind him.

Dr. Strange is the MASTER of magic. He is a walking plot device. Basically if a story needs something to be done, he can do it.

Namor can go toe to toe with the Hulk, also has a giant kingdom behind him and controls 70 % of the earth. Srsly, Namor is a strong mother fucker. He could beat the shit out of Aquaman.

Thor, he's thor, he is all magic, all power. Hammer does all sorts of crazy shit. Anyone ever read the classic fight with Thor and the Juggernaut ? That was a good fight. He'll throw your ass into another dimension and then laugh about over beer.

Wolverine would just have to be there, for the kids.

[DropKick Murphy]

Wasnt Namor, Hulk, Silver Surfer and Doc Strange in a group?

[spudlyff8fan]

Does anybody remember when Joseph (young Magneto) beat down the Avengers and he beat Capt America over the head with his own shield? And he threw Quick Silver from Virginia into like...Kentucky? Magneto rules all.

[ViciousSLASH]

Wasnt Namor, Hulk, Silver Surfer and Doc Strange in a group?

Yes. The Defenders.

[ReggieHadoken]

Thor, he's thor, he is all magic, all power. Hammer does all sorts of crazy shit. Anyone ever read the classic fight with Thor and the Juggernaut ? That was a good fight. He'll throw your ass into another dimension and then laugh about over beer.



Seriously? Snap. When did that fight happen? I'd love to see that go down. Was Juggy even hanging with Thor at all?

Black Bolt. Don't know much about him. Didn't he once beat the crap outta Thing?

[Jaldaboath]

Magneto got owned by the Fantastic Four with a WOODEN GUN?IIRC Cable tried that shit with a plastic gun and got his ass handed to him by Mag.

[archetype]

Reggie: Black Bolt is the greatest king of anything next to Namor. Read Earth X and The Inhumans. Dude has a plan for everything it seems. He loves his people too. Loyal to the end.

[Stabby]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kkc_Myyye20

[50 SENT]

its official, doom is TRASH ! :rofl: :wasted: :rofl:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2598/drdoomownedyt8.gif

[Zephyranthes]

And no more Doop? Awwww.:sad:


Doop is timeless. He's not really dead. He's just dead until Peter Milligan and Mike Allred (his creators) decide to do another X-Statix story with him.

I think Doop appeared in a comic several months ago. He made an obscure cameo in Milligan's X-Men run. The Doop that appeared in that comic, though, is nowhere near as interesting as the REAL Doop.

Doop also appeared in the My Mutant Heart one-shot, part of the I Heart Marvel event back in February. Not only is Doop the most powerful character of all time, but he gets to bang hot chicks, which is probably just as important. Chicks dig Doop, and so do men. Doop is a very sexual being.

I'm already done talking about who's more powerful than whom. V. Slashy already has everything else covered. But you gotta get those X-Force/X-Statix comics, to experience Doop in all his glory.

Start with this.
http://www.amazon.com/X-Force-New-Beginning-TPB/dp/078510819X/sr=8-1/qid=1162363475/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-2192026-5266321?ie=UTF8&s=books

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[4Play]

its official, doom is TRASH ! :rofl: :wasted: :rofl:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2598/drdoomownedyt8.gif

It was obviously a Doombot, Doom owns your souls!!!
But seriously don't fuck with Squirrel Girl

[Saotome Kaneda]

Seriously? Snap. When did that fight happen? I'd love to see that go down. Was Juggy even hanging with Thor at all?

Black Bolt. Don't know much about him. Didn't he once beat the crap outta Thing?
The thing about old Juggs is that he brings out the best in most heroes. Mofos have to think about how to take him out of the picture without causing too much trouble.

And this (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Thor1.html) was the fight. Thor wasn't exactly laughing over beer afterwards.

DON'T SLEEP ON OLD JUGGERNAUT, BITCHES

[spudlyff8fan]

Of course he didn't laugh over beer. Thor drinks mead.

[matrix9280]

There's not a shadow of doubt in my mind that the most broken character in the history of comics is Saint of Killers from Preacher. All this guy did was freeze hell over, kill the devil,and survived a nuclear blast without so much as a scratch on him. Oh yeah by the way he also killed all the angels in heaven before eventually killing God.

Even Batman would have trouble with him.

[Million]

Doomsday and AMAZO are the ultimate definition of what this thread is about...so much so that it's fascinating to me. Imagine if you had either of those in real life....actually, Doomsday's setup is better for this world, as with AMAZO's power, you'd really need the presence of other superpowered people in the world to copy from.

Really, that's top level stuff there; a kryptonian that is apparently AT LEAST on par with Superman physically just on baseline stats....then you add in his evolution factor...dying results in him coming back immune to what brought on the "death". I would kill for such power, seriously. This concept deserves a much better name than simple, overused "doomsday" though. I like the other name that I've heard better; "The Ultimate".

I have the Death of Superman saga collected in one book btw.

As a being with AMAZO power, I'd copy everything of course...really, what can beat a being that can become God? He keeps all powers, apparently, at least according to the JLU show. heh, he's so ridiculous, they had to just write him off as "leaving" because I think his presence would only make Grundy more powerful....whatever, we all know it's bullshyte. He had to leave because you simply can't write much of a challenge in for a character that has acheived true god-level power. AMAZO and Doomsday are on that level where the only way one could possibly imagine beating them is to have another God-like character(The One Above All, for example) simply "erase" them from existence with a thought.

[evilmuffinmanX]

squirel girl is top cuz she wants your nuts! :looney:

whats the name of that wanna be xmen caartoon? with a big green guy with horns on his back and that masked blonde guy with lazer guns?

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Quicksliver in the DC universe> flash.
Actully the new quick sliver might give flash a run for the money.

Darwen owns tho, one of the "orignal xmen" He might not beat anyone up right away. But you prob won't be able to kill him either lol. Darwin vs flash!

And from what i remember deathstroke>flash

[Jimmy the Hand]

squirel girl is top cuz she wants your nuts! :looney:

whats the name of that wanna be xmen caartoon? with a big green guy with horns on his back and that masked blonde guy with lazer guns?

Hmm, I think you are referencing W.I.L.D.C.A.T.S.

[maxx]

He can punch him.

Infinate Mass means he can punch him all he wants. Non infinate mass means he would break his hands. But flash can attain infinate mass in seconds. Probably less.

One time flash punched grodd repeatedly in the face with normal punches, broke his hand and then it healed in a couple seconds. He had to rebreak it like 3 times so it would heal properly.

The Speedforce gives flash complete shielding from his self and others. That is why he can run around with Linda ( I think that's her name ) and not have her die.

If you are going to rank the villians, and not include gods.

Dr. Doom wins. I remember when Magneto went to latveria and was like "BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM A MUTANT !" and Doom just went "lol" and then turned off his mutant gene and told him to leave.

And Shiki, it's all up to the writer. That is why writing is so important. You gotta balance the heroes and villians powers so they all aren't broken, but they all aren't pussies.

he has a limited forcfield but a very powerful one made of speedforce.

[ViciousSLASH]

The thing about old Juggs is that he brings out the best in most heroes. Mofos have to think about how to take him out of the picture without causing too much trouble.

And this (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Thor1.html) was the fight. Thor wasn't exactly laughing over beer afterwards.

DON'T SLEEP ON OLD JUGGERNAUT, BITCHES

Good ish, I was trying to find that link for him. Old school Juggernaut just did not take shit from anyone. ANYONE.

He was Doomsday before Doomsday was created. Without the stupid evolution bullshit. You either got the shit kicked out of you or threw him into space. Those were your only options.

Eventually he'd just float back to earth and kick your ass later.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Thor2.html

That is another crazy fight with Thor. Now remember THor is a god and easily on par with superman. I'd always say Thor is stronger. Centuries of experience, oddles of magic at his desposal and being a god tend to sway the vote.

[Adam Warlock]

Forget all of thor's other powers. The main thing that makes him broken is a power he rarely uses. Thor can steal energy and reuse it. It doesn't matter what kind and it doesn't matter where. He can treat living beings like batteries and drain them.

[Fadedsun303]

I don't have time to look through the 7 pages of this to see if someone said it already.

Was Galactus mentioned? The guy can eat planets. That's pretty broken in my book.

[box]

A while back Wizard Magazine posted a list of the top 10 toughest superheroes.

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm

10) Hulk
9) Firestorm
8) Prof X
7) Spawn
6) Dr Strange
5) Flash
4) Wonder Woman
3) Superman
2) Thor
1) Silver Surfer


Doop wasn't created when the list was made. Also this is for superheroes. No cosmic beings/supervillains.

Essentially, superspeed is extremely broken. Silver Surfer is really broken. He's faster then light speed... and essentially faster then the Flash.

[TheDarkPhoenix]

A while back Wizard Magazine posted a list of the top 10 toughest superheroes.

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm

10) Hulk
9) Firestorm
8) Prof X
7) Spawn
6) Dr Strange
5) Flash
4) Wonder Woman
3) Superman
2) Thor
1) Silver Surfer


Doop wasn't created when the list was made. Also this is for superheroes. No cosmic beings/supervillains.

Essentially, superspeed is extremely broken. Silver Surfer is really broken. He's faster then light speed... and essentially faster then the Flash.

Sliver sufer is pretty cosmic....I mean his power is called the power cosmic. Thor is pretty much a demi-god.

[Saotome Kaneda]

You either got the shit kicked out of you or threw him into space. Those were your only options.

Eventually he'd just float back to earth and kick your ass later.

What still gets me is they'd banish Juggs to all these other dimensions, and he'd proceed to RUIN SHIT in that dimension until he gets back on his own, someone finds him or someone like Dr. Strange offers him a way out if he does something in return. Just like what happened in Juggs-Thor Round 2.

[maxx]

Sliver sufer is pretty cosmic....I mean he power is called the power cosmic. Thor is pretty much a demi-god.

yup...silver surfer is a child of the cosmos and can potentially do whatever the fuck he wants. so i have no doubts he's more powerful than flash with speedforce assist.

[FOBio]

so, doesn't that mean galactus is a god? i don't really know a lot about silver surfer, but my logic is that if galactus gave silver surfer his powers then galactus is insanely more powerful, right?

[box]

so, doesn't that mean galactus is a god? i don't really know a lot about silver surfer, but my logic is that if galactus gave silver surfer his powers then galactus is insanely more powerful, right?

Yes Galactus is tough.

He's a cosmic being. Just like Eternity, Living Tribunal, Celestials, etc.

Galactus is a lot more powerful then Silver Surfer.

[white shadow]

Yes Galactus is tough.

He's a cosmic being. Just like Eternity, Living Tribunal, Celestials, etc.

Galactus is a lot more powerful then Silver Surfer.

Didn't Galactus get beaten up by his own creation before, and doesn't he get weak when not eating planets?

[soup or man]

Dc comics: Superman and Batman(bats does'ent even have powers!)

Marvel comics: juggernaut and X-man.

Juggernaut can withstand the surface of the sun and not die. He does'ent need to eat, drink, or even breath. His strength/stamina/energy is always at 100% since he never tires due to his powers being magical. Galactus was driven away by thor's godforce-blast, when the same blast hit juggs it just slowed him down and made him dizzy for a brief time. Then he resumed his rampage unharmed.

And X-Man? Sheesh is there anything this guy could'nt do?

Juggs is severely weakened now. He almost drowned in an issue of Uncanny. Fish boy had to save his life.

[maxx]

Yes Galactus is tough.

He's a cosmic being. Just like Eternity, Living Tribunal, Celestials, etc.

Galactus is a lot more powerful then Silver Surfer.

galactus in theory is more powerful than silver surfer obviously since he gave him his powers. but jesus the fantastic four beat him up for fun. their like ultimate nullifier bitch and he goes and hides behind a sun.

[DeathScythe]

Juggs is severely weakened now. He almost drowned in an issue of Uncanny. Fish boy had to save his life.



Thank you Chuck Austen for ruining Juggs. I hope Chuck get's blasted in the face with a .45.

[soup or man]

Thank you Chuck Austen for ruining Juggs. I hope Chuck get's blasted in the face with a .45.

No kidding. That was criminal what he did to Juggs.

[box]

galactus in theory is more powerful than silver surfer obviously since he gave him his powers. but jesus the fantastic four beat him up for fun. their like ultimate nullifier bitch and he goes and hides behind a sun.

The ultimate nullifier was recently revealed to be a part of Galactus himself. So he was essentially running from himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nullifier

[NeREMIXED]

Didn't Galactus get beaten up by his own creation before, and doesn't he get weak when not eating planets?

Yep got fucked up by Tyrant.

But he created Tyrant to be as powerful as himself.

[ViciousSLASH]

Juggs is severely weakened now. He almost drowned in an issue of Uncanny. Fish boy had to save his life.

They are bringing him back to power in excalibur.

The writer is all "I hate Huggernaut, he is a pussy"

[white shadow]

Another comic question: How do crossovers/alagam comics work legally and what company (Marvel, DC or Darkhorse) makes or publishes most of these comics?

[ReggieHadoken]

Thanks for those links about Juggy's Fight with Thor. That was good stuff. Gonna see if I can pick some of those comics up. After all this redemption nonsense going on with the character, it's great to to see Juggy smacking around heroes in old-school comics.

Speaking of which, I was reading Essential X-Men vol. 1, which has some of Chris Clermont's run on the book. In part of the Phoenix Saga, Juggy has a controntation with Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, and Nightcrawler. Storm was basically getting owned by her own clustrophobia so Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus were getting schooled. Really good, stuff.

So Silver Surfer could own Flash? Hm. That's actually good to know. Even the broken can be uh, unbroken? I take it Doomsday could always own Flash?

Doomsday. Yeah, he's quite possibly the most broken mofo out there. Whatever kills him, he'll be immune to later. Didn't Superman beat him by tacking him to the end of time? Seriously, how do you beat THAT?

[hold dat]

pre-crisis superman is a guaranteed planet buster. fuckin broken...

i think post crisis is broken too

flew to paris from metropolis to by a bottle of wine. purchase brought it back and changed his clothes before she even finished asking for the damn bottle

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg


stopped this bullet from killing homegirl from across town...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanAC835.jpg

broken...lol

[TrueSephiroth]

Would someone be able to answer my question from before?:sad:

How would Legion of stacked up? I remember reading up about how at the time, he was considered the most powerful mutant, that dude was doing some pretty crazy stuff back in those issues, and if I remember correctly,he found out how to timewarp too, which is why he went to the past to own up on Magneto.

I dunno...I think had he of lived, he'd be pretty crazy in his powers, because he was ridiculous already from what I remember...again, dunno, I'll leave it up to you ComicBook Guru's.

[hold dat]

Would someone be able to answer my question from before?:sad:

How would Legion of stacked up? I remember reading up about how at the time, he was considered the most powerful mutant, that dude was doing some pretty crazy stuff back in those issues, and if I remember correctly,he found out how to timewarp too, which is why he went to the past to own up on Magneto.

I dunno...I think had he of lived, he'd be pretty crazy in his powers, because he was ridiculous already from what I remember...again, dunno, I'll leave it up to you ComicBook Guru's.

Legion?

ya he's broken too. lol but when compared to the said potential of Sentry and pre crisi Supes he doesnt stack up as high on the broken meter. The fact that he's autistic too is kinda funny. and all that multiple personality shit he had going on gave me a headache

i'd give him a 5 out of 10 on the broken meter

[4Play]

Yeah Legion was broken, I think each of his personalities had a diferent type of mental power. one had telekinisis, telephy and pyrokinesis. It was because of him the Age of Apocolypse was born.

Edit :As for Juggs he was uber powerful in the past but ever since he got his ass handed to him by Onslaught he wasn't the same.

[Stabby]

Do you know why that list is bullshit?

Wonder Woman ranked higher than Flash.

[Fasty McNasty]

A while back Wizard Magazine posted a list of the top 10 toughest superheroes.

http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm

10) Hulk
9) Firestorm
8) Prof X
7) Spawn
6) Dr Strange
5) Flash
4) Wonder Woman
3) Superman
2) Thor
1) Silver Surfer


Doop wasn't created when the list was made. Also this is for superheroes. No cosmic beings/supervillains.

Essentially, superspeed is extremely broken. Silver Surfer is really broken. He's faster then light speed... and essentially faster then the Flash.


Superman and Wonder Woman? wtf? Superman loses to kryptonite for free and Wonder Woman loses to menstration.

[box]

Superman and Wonder Woman? wtf? Superman loses to kryptonite for free and Wonder Woman loses to menstration.

Actually when Wonder Woman gets PMS... her power increases 10 fold. :rofl:

[Jaldaboath]

Weren't we waaaaaaaay past the "Kryptonite>Supes" thing? I thought it had been proven he takes no real harm from it.

[aznflict]

I always thought that Superman had two major, tangible weaknesses, not one. 1.) Kryptonite 2.) Magic.

Although green K is widely known as his main physical weakness, it's not mentioned enough that magic owns Supes for free.

Just thought I'd like to throw that in there.

[Fasty McNasty]

Weren't we waaaaaaaay past the "Kryptonite>Supes" thing? I thought it had been proven he takes no real harm from it.


Yeah, it just goes against 70 years of writing, spanning thousands of comics. :looney:

[box]

I always thought that Superman had two major, tangible weaknesses, not one. 1.) Kryptonite 2.) Magic.

Although green K is widely known as his main physical weakness, it's not mentioned enough that magic owns Supes for free.

Just thought I'd like to throw that in there.


It is often stated that Superman does have weakness to magic... but it basically means that Superman does not have any protection against magical attacks. There are several characters that do not have this protection including the Flash, Prof X, however, it is rarely referred to as a weakness for these other characters.

People who do have protection against magic attacks are usually gods or magic-/mystical - based characters include Thor, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel (DC), Dr. Strange, Juggernaut.

[Preppy]

Earth X (Earth 9997) Captain Marvel with "Every Weapon Power-Up" (Paradise X) is pretty good as far as TILT factor.

Speaking about powerful woman and Magneto getting owned in the same post has me thinking about Photon aka Captain Marvel II. What the fuck happened to her?Warren Ellis-ized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextwave#Cast) right now.

Hyperstorm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperstorm)? Mentioned elsewhere as a Most Powerful Character...
Maestro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk#The_Maestro) and future pre-nerfing Sentinels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past_Xmen) are also interesting. I'm still sad the Beyonder got so nerfed.

Juggs and Doomsday and all "behemoths" get theory-beat by any kind of telekinesis/teleporation: just toss them into a nearby star, since they're limited to ground-based combat. They might not die, but they're out of action indefinitely.

[Jaldaboath]

Yeah, it just goes against 70 years of writing, spanning thousands of comics. :looney:
No, no, no. I recall a post in a similar thread not to long ago with a longasss post about how superman has been getting more and more broken lately. In that post someone explained and gave references of how kryptonite only made Supes feel homesick, it didn't really hurt him.

I can't find it though, it was one of those dumb Goku vs Superman which got beasted and later got closed.

[coco_j]

Yeah I remember reading that too, Kryptonite is just a psychological weakness.