SEGA was thinking: The Dreamcast Thread again.

[JackTenrac!]

Alot of talk around this here subject in the Thinking Out Loud v3. So yeah. My thoughts?

I think it's hype, but it has alot of unlocked potential. Emulation for one. I'll write more once the ball gets rolling.

[Dem-Dem]

what are you talkin about ?

[b1gazn]

what are you talkin about ?

the truth

[Jaldaboath]

the truth

Should have known.

[ViciousSLASH]

I guess we are taking about how SEGA was way ahead of its time in basically everything video game wise ?

Because they were.

And now they are dead. ( except for Virtua Fighter and NBA 2K, everything else is a huge joke )

[Dem-Dem]

well ok then :smile; dc rulzzzzzz all someday i hope sega will bring out an updated arcade collection with the starwars trilogy game on it ahhhh

[pherai]

I guess we are taking about how SEGA was way ahead of its time in basically everything video game wise ?

Not in marketing otherwise we'd be seeing a next gen sega console.

[Striderhyru05]

my DC collection is bigger than any other console, i loved that system. felt like a fool when i heard they were quitting though.

[Rhio2k]

Same here. That's why I refuse to buy any collections of genesis games for other systems. Like in th Boondocks episode "Thuggin' Love: Sega, you broke my HEART. Fuck them, I'm emulating that old shit from now on. I supported the dreamcast like a muthafucker. I waited in line before the damn store opened on launch day like some fuckin' nerd to get my dc, Powerstone, and Soul Calibur. I even bought a japanese dc when sf3 World Impact came out, AND payed big for next-day delivery. *plays Sonic cd on kega lazarus emu* I shoulda known that shit would die. All the long-lasting systems get a Bloody Roar game. Feh.

[ChibiT89]

No, sega wasn't thinking. They thought they pwned Nintendo with their genesis but the SNES came back and countered. Every console sega came out with was pwned by another system. Don't get me wrong, I love my sega stuff, but Sony was just too much with their better systems and games to back it up. Like back in the day, Resident evil 1, FF7 were system sellers. How could the saturn and dreamcast keep up?

Iono all the techinal stuff, but im sorry to say Sega has been getting owned since they started. I don't know what they did wrong, I wish there stuff was a little bit more powerful, since compared to the competition they didn't fare well. I guess the system's game selection will make or break the console's success.

[Dem-Dem]

i only have to say that saga cared to much with there games and allow developers time to develope instead of having a gun to there heads to get the shit out. Damn can't remember the last barbie game I saw on a sega system but i'm sure that it had some depth to it. to compete with sony you have to pump hell shit out and flood the market with constant new games. while making them easier to beat causeing people to feel empty wanting a new game to fill this void. fuck I miss sega dreamcast I still haven't Beat I spy that game is confusing as fuck.

[Taito]

I don't know what they did wrong
When it came to actually running a business, Sega annihilated themselves with arrogance and stupidity.

That's all you need to know without going into about 15 years' worth of details.

[cham_13_]

one of the biggest issues they had was thier internal business model... they devided themselves... they created too many internal groups (ie sonic team and bottem up if i remember correctly) and kinda made themselves fight internally... you can't own a company and compete with yourselves...

[Carpet Lint]

I paid full price for it on launch date - at the time $300 was like ALL THE FUCKING MONEY IN THE WORLD to me. It was all the money I made working as a kid, and it pretty much cleaned out my bank account.

And I don't regret a damn thing.

Remember, remember, the ninth of September.

9.9.99

[PimpC]

Same here. That's why I refuse to buy any collections of genesis games for other systems. Like in th Boondocks episode "Thuggin' Love: Sega, you broke my HEART. Fuck them, I'm emulating that old shit from now on. I supported the dreamcast like a muthafucker. I waited in line before the damn store opened on launch day like some fuckin' nerd to get my dc, Powerstone, and Soul Calibur. I even bought a japanese dc when sf3 World Impact came out, AND payed big for next-day delivery. *plays Sonic cd on kega lazarus emu* I shoulda known that shit would die. All the long-lasting systems get a Bloody Roar game. Feh.

yo when yo said the Boondocks I read that entire thing hearing riley's voice. I haven't laughed this hard in a long ass time.

[Taito]

one of the biggest issues they had was thier internal business model... they devided themselves... they created too many internal groups (ie sonic team and bottem up if i remember correctly) and kinda made themselves fight internally... you can't own a company and compete with yourselves...
The different groups actually worked to their benefit.. especially since Sega's most brilliant work came from the separate groups.. plus, Sega figures like Naka and Suzuki, talented as they are, are reportedly evil, arrogant bastards that nobody would want to work for.. when Sammy consolidated Sega's teams, Mizuguchi decided to bail out and make his own company instead of working under Naka.

Wikipedia doesn't really have anything detailing Sega's fuckups.. I'm disappointed.. I'll stop by here later and drop the reasons why Sega destroyed themselves.

[Azrael]

I know Sega fucked up by releasing too many consoles/addons. Instead of coming out with a new full-blown console, they released the Sega CD and 32X, promised support for them, and dropped them like an ex-girlfriend when the new sexy Saturn came along. Consumers who bought the Sega CD/32X felt shafted, and rightfully so.

Sega also dropped the Saturn way too soon. I know this pissed off a lot of Japanese developers, because Saturn was still doing well in Japan. I believe EA Sports promised they wouldn't support the DC unless it sold a million units or something - it did, but EA refused to support DC anyway, which created the game rivalry between the NFL 2k and Madden series. DC just didn't have enough name-brand games. Or it got them after the PS2 had already had them.

[AkumaTX]

Ah yes teh Dreamcast. The first system i paid for myself. Too bad games were to far and it took forever for games to come out but still fun. I remember playing Sonic and thinking KickAss, except for the knuckels and tails parts :)

[Rico!]

fucking D-pad pissed me off for fighting games!

and how many US dc games are there...about 250?

[Taito]

I know Sega fucked up by releasing too many consoles/addons. Instead of coming out with a new full-blown console, they released the Sega CD and 32X, promised support for them, and dropped them like an ex-girlfriend when the new sexy Saturn came along. Consumers who bought the Sega CD/32X felt shafted, and rightfully so.
More importantly than pissing off fans, they cut off their most profitable console too early.. every console maker except Nintendo sells their hardware their har at a loss.. for that model to work you NEED to have something profitable to fall back on, but Sega burned all their bridges.. Sega cutting off the whole Genesis line would be like Sony just cutting off the wildly popular PS1 right when PS2 launched.. if Sony did that, they wouldn't have the money to burn in R&D for the PS3.
Sega also dropped the Saturn way too soon. I know this pissed off a lot of Japanese developers, because Saturn was still doing well in Japan.
Saturn is basically what destroyed Sega in the console business. They bled so much money into R&D, and the console seriously underperformed for how much the system really cost. Not to mention they didn't have any other profits coming in. Unlike the Megadrive, Sega really didn't have any choice in cutting off Saturn.

It would have been nice if Dreamcast had backwards compatibility, but emulating Saturn's multi-core, quad-polygon technology was (and still is) damn near impossible.
I believe EA Sports promised they wouldn't support the DC unless it sold a million units or something - it did, but EA refused to support DC anyway, which created the game rivalry between the NFL 2k and Madden series. DC just didn't have enough name-brand games. Or it got them after the PS2 had already had them.
Sega in the West originally planned to make a Dreamcast with 3Dfx CPU, a technology EA invested in. a Dreamcast running on 3Dfx would have made Sega and EA partners in a way, kind of like Sega and MS with Dreamcast running Windows CE. However, later on Sega decided on the system's final Hitachi chipset without any forewarning. Sega burned EA and there was no way they'd swallow their pride and support Sega after that.. maybe if Sega completely returned to prominence like back in the Genesis days, you would've seen a quick and dirty Madden port on Dreamcast, but EA already knew Sega was on its last leg after the Saturn disaster.

[Zor]

Ah the Dreamcast. I still love it and it still gets lot of play from me to this day. I got an import at first with Power Stone & Soul Calibur. Then I got the american version when it came out. So many fun games & I'm still buying titles for it. Long live the DC.

Like back in the day, Resident evil 1, FF7 were system sellers. How could the saturn and dreamcast keep up?

I love FF7, but honestly Panzer Dragoon Saga for the Saturn was so much more in alot of ways. Too bad it was released near the end of the Saturn's life. What was Sega thinking with the Saturn anyway? I remember them doing basically no advertising and all of a sudden boom, there's Segs's new console on the shelf. I guess that's the thing, they weren't thinking at all.

[TS]

I don't know

No, you don't.
--

The wikipedia entry on the Saturn is actually really good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Saturn

[hubcapsignstop]

Sony was just too much with their better systems and games to back it up
dont never beleive yyoui
bye

[Mycah Leonhart]

I remember the piracy, but it was a beautiful fuckin' system, nobody has the balls to put out 1/2 the shit DC had, Jet Grind anyone?

I also loved how any and every 2D fighter was on it.

[Debaser]

Does anyone know where to get some old dreamcast fighters? I look on Amazon and some of that stuff is selling for $100.

[Zor]

^Best place is Ebay or gamequestdirect.com. Gamequest usually sells out of any fighters for the DC quick, so you just have to keep checking. I don't like shopping for anything used on Amazon.com because you can never see what you're buying.

[Mycah Leonhart]

Does anyone know where to get some old dreamcast fighters? I look on Amazon and some of that stuff is selling for $100.

I know a lot of places.......but I'd get banned so fast it ain't funny if I said where - just think about it.

[Debaser]

^^pm?

[Wellman]

Sega was ahead of their time. But in the bad way. Kind of like having a squad of 24 armed commandos versus 500 Romans without any form of cover and only 50 yards seperating them.

Or having submarine when facing indians

That kind of ahead of the time.

[coffeerox]

Sega was ahead of their time. But in the bad way. Kind of like having a squad of 24 armed commandos versus 500 Romans without any form of cover and only 50 yards seperating them.

Or having submarine when facing indians

That kind of ahead of the time.

In a way they were. They had the right ideas, but at the wrong time. They also had very very bad console engineers. The thing was severely underpowered when compared to the PS2 and especially against the unreleased Nintendo console and the lurking MS console. Sega had the console on Windows CE which was a baaaaaad idea. They hacked that console like nobody's buisness. All because they decided to go bankrupt and someone lost his job (and released the code afterwards)

DC had some pretty advanced ideas though. They had VGA support (640x480 progressive on nearly all games) where ALL three current consoles support progressive, but no VGA support and it wasn't supported by the hardware and the stuff that was out was just less than stellar transcoders.

Next they had a built in 56k modem. Along with the modem it also came with an internet browser. None of the last-gen consoles had this. I totally loved this and I really should have tried it on my monitor but I didn't like it so much on the TV. The online gaming was ho-hum, and the only real place it was realized was in Japan where they got the godly 2d networked fighting games (such as MVC2).

Sega was on the right track with the disc format though. More space = better. But the problem was, they rushed it to the market instead of adopting DVD. PS2 was the true next-gen system here. Instead of only 1gb per disc, PS2 had 4.7-8.9.

Technically, DC was NOT next-gen. The GPU was terrible, even though they did exploit DC's best feature, anti-aliasing. None of the advanced graphics features that PS2 had the potential of, DC could never dream of doing. Not even at advanced levels of development. It's just not possible.

In the end, Sega just failed. Miserably. The games were pretty good. We had a handful of gems and a whole bunch of quality 2d fighters. Most of the filler games were crap tho. Just arcade ports that really didn't have any special features (like Crazy Taxi). The Sega games were okay at least. (I most liked Sonic Adventure 1,2, Skies and Shenmue)

[RaishinX]

I remember me and a friend were fucking crazy about that Dreamcast. We used to let one another borrow games and we'd share strategies and whatnot. It was great. I didn't play as many games as I should've but, I played a good few and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

Has anyone ever played Seventh Cross? It wasn't that great a game but I liked it quite a bit. Basically you started off as this fucking petri dish anenome germ thing and you grew and matured into this (potentially) freak fucking creature. You could alter your own DNA and eventually become a human. I wouldn't mind playing that again.

[Taito]

In a way they were. They had the right ideas, but at the wrong time. They also had very very bad console engineers. The thing was severely underpowered when compared to the PS2 and especially against the unreleased Nintendo console and the lurking MS console. Sega had the console on Windows CE which was a baaaaaad idea. They hacked that console like nobody's buisness. All because they decided to go bankrupt and someone lost his job (and released the code afterwards)
Barely any games were programmed on Win CE.. Sega Rally 2 (which looked horrible compared to other Model 3 games on DC, like VOOT) was the most popular example. It was just an avenue for some developers to port games to DC quickly and easily. Probably an answer to Saturn being so hard to develop for.
Technically, DC was NOT next-gen. The GPU was terrible, even though they did exploit DC's best feature, anti-aliasing. None of the advanced graphics features that PS2 had the potential of, DC could never dream of doing. Not even at advanced levels of development. It's just not possible.
I blame Saturn's failure for DC's conditon.. more money could have been devoted to R&D if Sega wasn't developing the DC while downsizing and suffering annual losses. It's just like Lindbergh.. I doubt the old Sega would have settled for arcade hardware inferior to both of the graphics-intensive nextgen consoles.

The NAOMI 2, more or less a boosted Dreamcast, was superior to PS2 in some ways. If that hardware ended up being the Dreamcast that went to market, technical/performance-wise the system would have fared better against the PS2 and Gamecube.

[SirFritzalot]

I got dreamcasts, and one game...unfortunately it's PSO and I don't have the code...of course I COULD get all the other games, but I'd need to get a HD to hold them on, cause "those" kinds of games don't tend to last long...

God Bless the DC, too many hours spent on that console...

-Fritz:lovin:

[DropOff]

Dreamcast? Hells yeah. I remember hearing about an illegal portable version of the DC that was being sold somewheres in asia, I'd love to be able to take JGR on the road with me.

I love sega, the whole hardcore gamer aspect felt real with both the Saturn and Dreamcast, as they had all the best ports of 2d fighters and arcade games. I need to buy a new Genesis though, then maybe a master system but probably not.

[crimzonflame]

This thread makes me depressed because it made me realise how much money I blew on this system. I knew piracy was so easy for this system, but I bought all my 20+ games for it just to support it. Then they announced that they were no longer supporting it. FUCK YOU SEGA.

[FallingEdge]

I love my DC. The hours me and my friend wasted away playing THPS2...

If anyone know where they can find a copy of King of Fighters '99: Evolution, King of Fighters: Dream Match 1999, Tech Romancer, THPS2, or Giga Wing 2, hook it up...

[Mr-Phelps]

I thought Sega was very innovative when it came to it's games. Jet Set Radio was an awesome game and Space Channel 5 was very addicting. I love the idea of the VMU. Sega was ahead of their time. Thank goodness they're still in the arcade business.

[Ne0phyte]

Aw man it actually hurts hearing people talk about Dreamcast in past tense. I freaking love mine and play it regularly.

^ I just burn games cause I suck and am cheap. It's just too easy.

[SCOTT POPULAR]

I pulled double shifts at Applebee`s behind the bar to get the cash for the DC! I stood in line for it at Lenox Mall. The best quote while in line at the DC launch:

Some dude: "Hey man is there a football game on now? It`s damn near 12 AM?!
Some body else: "No! That NFL2K!"
Everybody: DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!


All the Capcom ports!
Rival School (Character Create was beyond fun!)
Skies of Arcadia (It's up there with FF7!)
MVC2 Remixes!!!! I still have mine!
DC Arcade stick. a.k.a. The Loose Goose. I've had about 5 of these.
Jet Set Radio: Prolly one of the most inovative games ever!
Phantasy Star Online: (I can still here the music!)
NFL2K: VMU plays... (You have no fucking idea what's about to happen!) Real Football right there!

The VMU was too much! Eventhough I came to Japan after the death of the DC. I could still go to some gamecenters and still see the slots that you could insert your VMU and upload your character!


My dreamcast has been moded and the disc lense changed 3 times! Any yes I still have my EB Dreamcast launch T-Shirt!

[Mr-Phelps]

Aw man it actually hurts hearing people talk about Dreamcast in past tense. I freaking love mine and play it regularly.

^ I just burn games cause I suck and am cheap. It's just too easy.



I hear ya, I hate that in the past I had no money and now that I do I'm trying to find all the games I wanted to play then.

[specs]

After seeing what Sega did with Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, and seeing how they've been leading Sonic down a destructive path since Sonic Adventure 2, I've basically lost all hope in Sega.

...For now. I still play all the classic Sega games I love (Sonic, except Sonic CD which was overrated, Phantasy Star IV, etc.), but screw the new shit. Sega's lost something. And until they get it back, I'll be one sad panda.

EDIT - you know what classic Sega game I always wanted to play but never got the chance to try? Knuckles Chaotix. Gamefan seemed to like it. Then again, Gamefan liked alot of crap... but I never did play it.

[RaishinX]

EDIT - you know what classic Sega game I always wanted to play but never got the chance to try? Knuckles Chaotix. Gamefan seemed to like it. Then again, Gamefan liked alot of crap... but I never did play it.

It gets kinda boring. You can always download it though...

[Autocrat1]

EDIT - you know what classic Sega game I always wanted to play but never got the chance to try? Knuckles Chaotix. Gamefan seemed to like it. Then again, Gamefan liked alot of crap... but I never did play it.
Damn I miss GameFan....Monitaur comic was sick.

Chaotix is cool.

It can get boring though, as RaishinX stated, and has little replay value from beginning to end, but it has a save function ala Sonic 3. The music is tight as well. Not as good as 2 but there are many memorable themes.

In classic Sonic form, it has two endings. Unfortunately, IMO, the bad one's better...

On-topic, was I the only person who actually played Blue Stinger?

[ShadowInfinity]

I really loved the DC, and I feel horrible reading this thread and remembering again that its dead. Damn you SEGA, I really wanted you to succeed but you kept making horrible marketing decisions. WHY?! I resent your software only existence and will continue to emulate your games I rightfully own.

[GalzPanic]

I know Sega fucked up by releasing too many consoles/addons. Instead of coming out with a new full-blown console, they released the Sega CD and 32X, promised support for them, and dropped them like an ex-girlfriend when the new sexy Saturn came along. Consumers who bought the Sega CD/32X felt shafted, and rightfully so.

Sega also dropped the Saturn way too soon. I know this pissed off a lot of Japanese developers, because Saturn was still doing well in Japan. I believe EA Sports promised they wouldn't support the DC unless it sold a million units or something - it did, but EA refused to support DC anyway, which created the game rivalry between the NFL 2k and Madden series. DC just didn't have enough name-brand games. Or it got them after the PS2 had already had them.

also, with the Saturn they hugely underestimated the desire for 3D.

With the DC imo mostly they were just caught in ps2 anticipation storm. Like u said EA wouldn't support which is a huge huge blow. They were ahead of their time with online play, but it was just too weak being dialup. Who cares if not everyone at the time was on broadband; if DC had good BB support from Day 1, it would have had all of the geek mindshare.

Basically if BB was ready in the box with good games, and if they used DVD drives (which would have made the DC most home's first dvd player), my guess is that DC:PS2 would be like 30:70, and sega would have been around for this gen of consoles, possibly teaming up with xbox for 360.

[Shade]

Not in marketing otherwise we'd be seeing a next gen sega console.

Well, they had one of the greatest launch's in console history. Everyone had one, supplies were met, more than 1 great/decent launch title, media coverage, all that.

They started out great, but couldnt keep the momentum going (thx to SEGA's heads, and lack of games, very similar to the original Xbox's run). A few gems every 6 months just doesnt work anymore. Its gonna take 10 titles every other month (ALA PS1/PS2) to keep it afloat, even if half or more of them are utter shit (yea, I'm talking to you PS1/PS2). Sad how the current "meta" is, but its true. People rather brag about Barbie's Pony Adventure and Madden Roster Update 20XX than a great, original, worthwhile title that could possibly hold them in for more than a single rental period of 5 days.

Anyway, the Dreamcast till this DAY, gets releases (in Japan). Last Hope, Under Defeat, Radilgy, Trizeal, and many other games have surfaced (alot of Shooters mostly).

Also, the SEGA has always taken steps in the right direction, with the wrong feet persay. CD's (Sega was one of the first I'm sure, with the Mega-CD), Online play (didnt the GENESIS have this at one point?), etc. Hell, the VMU STILL is ahead of its time. Sony even emulated it at one point with that PocketStation shit.

SEGA's on its last leg in terms of being a decent company. Their series are either dying out, or see barely any console releases (since most of their games are Arcade titles). I'm still waiting on my 360 version of House of the Dead 4.

also, with the Saturn they hugely underestimated the desire for 3D.

Exactly. Almost in the same aspect that Nintendo didnt switch from carts at the right time, hurting them ALOT early on when it didnt have to be that way. The Saturn STILL has the best ports of most of Capcom's 2-D fighters, where as even last gen's systems' ports still had mimor hickups.

[Naslectronical]

As a hardcore shoot-em-up fan, the Dreamcast remains one of my favorite systems.

Anyway, I'm with Taito. Even though I don't believe that the Saturn was a complete failure, it is mostly to blame for the demise of the Dreamcast. By the time Sega got it right, gamers and developers had simply lost confidence.

The decline of arcades in the west also hurt Sega because a lot of the best games for the Saturn and Dreamcast were schmups. One of the reasons that the Saturn was very popular in Japan because of its catalog of arcade-perfect schmups as there was(and still is) a thriving arcade scene; however, the decline of arcades in the west meant that schmups began to appeal only to a niche market, and as a result, most of them never saw a US release.

Donpachi
Dodonpachi
Parodius Series
Gunbird
Gunbird 2
Shienryu
Batsugun
Soukyu-Gurentai
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga(Until 2003 on the Gamecube)
Psyvariar 2: The Will To Fabricate
Zero Gunner 2
Border Down

This decline is also why Virtua Fighter didn't take over in the US like it did in Japan.

Games are still released for the Dreamcast today, and much to my delight, most of them are schmups.

Under Defeat
Trizeal
Radilgy
Chaos Field

[crimzonflame]

Should I eBay my DC games or is there another site where I can sell/trade games? How much do you think I can get for the following games?

Soul Caliber
MvC2
SF3 TS
DOA2
Sonic Adventure
CvS
RE:CV
Crazy Taxi
Virtua Tennis
Kof 99: DM
SFA3
Last Blade 2

[RaishinX]

On-topic, was I the only person who actually played Blue Stinger?


Definitelynotthatgamewastheshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!! !!

[Shade]

Should I eBay my DC games or is there another site where I can sell/trade games? How much do you think I can get for the following games?

Soul Caliber
MvC2
SF3 TS
DOA2
Sonic Adventure
CvS
RE:CV
Crazy Taxi
Virtua Tennis
Kof 99: DM
SFA3
Last Blade 2

Not that kind of thread sir.

[Master Chibi]

I still have mine.

It's the freaking SPORTS edition man. I traded my launch system back in because everything in my room was black except the DC, which just stuck out.

It was the first system I bought imports for, spending upwards of $65 for KoF 2001 / 2002 and a few other titles. I bought three legal copies of MvC2 (one after the other) and played all three so god damn much that they literally just stopped working all together.

I hated Skies of Arcadia. I loved Project Justice. I loved JGR, Crazy Taxi, and a few of the other titles I had for it. I also still play it and enjoy it, even though noone else freaking does around here anymore.

D:

[Defective]

Somebody please port Shenmue 1 on next gen console I can forget this travesty of a system ever happened. FUCK YOU SEGA!!!






















Sincerely...

[JackTenrac!]

I hated Skies of Arcadia. I loved Project Justice. I loved JGR, Crazy Taxi, and a few of the other titles I had for it. I also still play it and enjoy it, even though noone else freaking does around here anymore.

D:

is JGR worth beating?

I got stuck on the New Grind City Stage and it drove me nuts...

btw...did Bleem actually work? I have the Tekken 3 one but I never tried it. lol I have a majority of my fighters non burned, including CVS(I traded PSO and v 2 and I didn't even consider throwing this back) and A3. Chibi did you ever play El Dorato Gate(Capcom RPG for the DreamCast)? or anybody? it actually looked good.


DC will never die. God bless the 6th Generation hero. SEGA should have gotten EA support. Didn't they have this support from 3rd Generation onward to 32 bit?

[King9999]

Anyone know where I could find a (legit) copy of Fatal Fury: MotW?

[DeathScythe]

I've gone through 2 DCs already. My second one is used, which I got from GameStop for $30. I need to get a new copy of Project Justice though because I traded my first copy away. :sad:

I still have SFA3, CvS2 and CvS1 for it. I need MvC2 and MvC1.

[FallingEdge]

I've gone through 2 DCs already. My second one is used, which I got from GameStop for $30. I need to get a new copy of Project Justice though because I traded my first copy away. :sad:

I still have SFA3, CvS2 and CvS1 for it. I need MvC2 and MvC1.

I've gone through 2 DC as well. I'm prolly gonna buy another one too, lol.

PM me if you want MvC1, MvC2, and Project Justice.

Burning games ftw.

[quiche]

There was a time I liked Sonic more than Mario. I opted to get a genesis for sonic 2 rather than get a snes. And I wasn't disappointed either. But wtf is up with all the fuzzy character addons? Sure, Tails was a hit, but that's no reason to keep following the formula and adding a bunch of useless characters that never had the personality or charm of Sonic himself. Why keep adding all this extra shit into the games? I was happy when there was just Sonic. Tails was alright in Sonic 2 because he played just like Sonic did. Once they started making each character play differently, it all went downhill. EVeryone knows the most fun stages of Sonic Adventure 2 were the Sonic/Shadow stages. I would have preferred to have all that other crap removed, just so I wouldn't have to wade through it to get to the good stuff.

Now, Sonic has been thrown in the trashbin (except for the better-than-expected Sonic Rush, but handheld games are hardly flagship titles) and most of the other franchises I loved have disappeared.

Where's Space Channel 5 v.3?
Shenmue 3?
Rez 2?
Crazy Taxi 4?
NiGHTS 2?

4 out of those 5 franchises got their start on the Dreamcast. I will always remember it fondly as the last golden age of SEGA before they turned to shit.

...seriously.

[DropOff]

is JGR worth beating?

I got stuck on the New Grind City Stage and it drove me nuts...
Well, after you beat the combo and cube levels it brings you back to the original locations but instead of being seperated they are all on huge stage, so theres the Benten Kogane and Shibuya levels in complete form.

I fucking rocked that game, got jet on every level collected all the tags and got all the secret characters. Definatly my favorite game on DC along with Rez.

[Son of a Glitch]

I bought three legal copies of MvC2 (one after the other) and played all three so god damn much that they literally just stopped working all together.
Heh, that's what happened to me with 3rd Strike. I just figured it was because it wasn't an original copy.

I went through about 3 copies of 3rd Strike in about 2 years, I played that game all day, everyday.

Good times.....

[Dem-Dem]

has anyone else read the wiki-pidia article on the saturn. Damn americans and greedy dumb ass corporate stratigist. fuck man people only call me dumb because most of the time they can't understand what i'm saying or commenting on my spelling but that was plain retarded.

[Million]

cheh,

just to nitpick...Tails did have the slight difference in that he could glide/float. I think that was the only difference though, despite him being slightly smaller than Sonic. I still think some of the new characters worked well into the Sonic universe. E102r and Omega were cool, though it could be personal bias since I happen to like playing robot characters in games. Knuckles was given a free pass simply because he was part of that old 16 bit era, thus qualifying as part of the original lineup....that trio of greatness. Amy is fine since a flirty love-interest is usually a welcome addition to a hero's story. (he should've hit a long time ago, btw. Why does Sonic continually run away from a broad that's basically throwing herself at him? It's not like she's obscenely ugly or anything, like sluttified Rogue, who has a voice that just screams "10 packs a day" smoking habit)

Dreamcast should've succeded, imo. I still consider it one of the greatest systems of all time, but of course nearly any serious fighting game fan would be of that opinion. Even though I never had real human competition, I played MvC2, Third Strike, and Project Justice on a daily basis for a long, long time. Look at the launch lineup---I love how people(usually fans of certain other systems with pitiful launches) try to play revisionist history and say all launches are bad....nigga please. DC came out strong with Soul Fucking Calibur, Sonic, and Powerstone. That right there was good enough for me. I think MvC1 came out shortly afterwards as well...like December 99 or January 2000.

What are you people talking about that got it for 300? I don't seem to recall that...I had mine in December99/January 2000, and I am 100% sure I only paid 200.

Anyway, one reason it failed because so many morons out there had the notion of holding out for Ps2. Yes I will admit Ps2 turned out to be fantastic...after quite awhile. Just admit that this great system was complete garbage for a long, long time....and this is on top of Sony's newly acquired reputation of making the most sad-sack, terribly quality systems that are born to break down within 2 minutes. I swear, they're the equivalent of a "bubble-boy" type that can't go outside due to extreme allergies or something....pathetic. COUGH on it wrong and it's dead. Of course, with the new generation of gamers these days, oh this is all fine and dandy. This is acceptable. :rolleyes: I use the rather harsh descriptive term there because of that line of thinking: "well, ps1 was awesome, so it is guaranteed that ps2 will rule the world!" By that asanine logic, N64 should've kicked everyone's ass to hell and back, right? Now remember what really happened, and remember just how pathetic that system was. It was barely worth the Nintendo name if ya ask me. Garbage. Boo-Boo chunks on a plate.

Also, there were Sega's history of disappointment at play--Saturn was terrible at least here in the U.S. Those fighters that did come out had to be imported, if I recall, and it was "dead" here while continuing to live in Japan. Even worse was the sad ass Sega CD and 32x. Even at the time, I was wondering "why buy CD or 32x if Saturn comes out so soon? Why kill off their own systems with competition from within the company? This is very stupid." I could go on for pages on this. The Dreamcast *fiasco* is a tense situation....I'm still bitter.

[Taito]

has anyone else read the wiki-pidia article on the saturn. Damn americans and greedy dumb ass corporate stratigist. fuck man people only call me dumb because most of the time they can't understand what i'm saying or commenting on my spelling but that was plain retarded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Saturn

I was just looking in the 'Sega' section of Wikipedia, I didn't think of searching for 'Sega Saturn'.. durr.
Even though I don't believe that the Saturn was a complete failure,
Not a complete failure? Why not?

The Saturn library, across all regions, was very good (except for a lot of poor-quality 3D arcade ports).. but if you had to choose one reason why Sega is currently a shell of its former self, it would have to be the Saturn and the events that impacted Sega during that console's lifetime.


PS.Back to the Dreamcast itself.. other than the GBA SP and the Slim PS2 that came out in 2004, I thought DC was the only '6th Generation' console that wasn't a completely ugly-looking piece of shit. It was also easy to carry around for multiplayer sessions at somebody else's house.. unlike Xbox and fat PS2.

[TheRock-BoS]

Anyone play Under Defeat?

It's real good.

I know a couple new Dreamcast games are coming out by year's end...

[quiche]

just to nitpick...Tails did have the slight difference in that he could glide/float. I think that was the only difference though, despite him being slightly smaller than Sonic.Tails couldn't manually glide/float in Sonic 2. He controlled EXACTLY like Sonic. He would just fly back on screen if he was left behind, but you couldn't make him fly until Sonic 3, where they started to give different abilities to each character (Tails's fly/swim, Sonic's insta-shield and ability to do extra shield abilities)

...seriously.

[Naslectronical]

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Not a complete failure? Why not?

The Saturn library, across all regions, was very good (except for a lot of poor-quality 3D arcade ports).. but if you had to choose one reason why Sega is currently a shell of its former self, it would have to be the Saturn and the events that impacted Sega during that console's lifetime.



What I mean is that the console itself was not a complete failure regardless of the fact that it self-destructed Sega.

It had excellent catalog of games and did very well in a major market. It wasn't like the Atari Jaguar where no one in the world bought it.


PS.Back to the Dreamcast itself.. other than the GBA SP and the Slim PS2 that came out in 2004, I thought DC was the only '6th Generation' console that wasn't a completely ugly-looking piece of shit. It was also easy to carry around for multiplayer sessions at somebody else's house.. unlike Xbox and fat PS2.

Gamecube?

[Taito]

Gamecube?
Ugly (mo), but portable.

[Naslectronical]

Ugly (mo), but portable.

It did remind me of a jack-in-the-box or one of those lunchboxes, but I wouldn't say it was ugly

But to each his own

[Dem-Dem]

It did remind me of a jack-in-the-box or one of those lunchboxes, but I wouldn't say it was ugly

But to each his own

i had on a my cousins pants and was able to stick the gc in his pocket. LOL

[Taito]

It did remind me of a jack-in-the-box or one of those lunchboxes, but I wouldn't say it was ugly

But to each his own
It looked like one of those $15 AM/FM alarm clocks you'd buy at Wal-Mart.

[Naslectronical]

It looked like one of those $15 AM/FM alarm clocks you'd buy at Wal-Mart.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

STOP IT!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[9TNine]

Since this thread seems to be all-things Sega at this point, does anyone know if Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder ever came out for a console? I had a lot of fun with the arcade one.

-9

[Taito]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

STOP IT!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Holy shit I just made Naslectronical laugh! Someone rep me!

[ViciousSLASH]

Sonic 3, where they started to give different abilities to each character (Tails's fly/swim, Sonic's insta-shield and ability to do extra shield abilities)

...seriously.

Sonic 3 was fucking pwn.

...forreals.

That is all I have to say.

Also, before Satomiblood says it, SEGA FUCKING CHANNEL.

Also Mutant League Football and Hockey.

[Zor]

Where's Space Channel 5 v.3?
Shenmue 3?
Rez 2?
Crazy Taxi 4?
NiGHTS 2?



Actually from what I've read there will be a NiGHTS 2. It's pretty far off though. 2008 I believe they said.

[Mycah Leonhart]

How hard is it to find a DC nowadays?, Should I be kicking myself cause I saw one in a Pawn Shop for $20 and I didn't get it?

[DropOff]

Since this thread seems to be all-things Sega at this point, does anyone know if Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder ever came out for a console? I had a lot of fun with the arcade one.

-9
Nope, never was a home console release, but on the flip side I don't think Golden axe 3 for genesis was ever an arcade game.

Revenge of death adder is the fucking shit though. I played as the dwarf on that guys shoulders all the time, I also remember the thing where at the end of the level it shows that screen with the scales that gave you body count + Gold count.

[Zor]

How hard is it to find a DC nowadays?, Should I be kicking myself cause I saw one in a Pawn Shop for $20 and I didn't get it?

$20 bucks isn't bad, but for not much more you can get one off ebay with a good bit of games & accessories with it.

[WasFemto]

Oh shit I forgot I still have the Black DC(Sega Sports Edition) but still no, games anymore :sad:

JetSetRadio
Crazy Taxi
Samba De Amigo

were my ALL TIME top three if I had to chose a top 3. Co-sign with Million on the DC having the best launch line up EVER. Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, NFL 2k, PowerStone etc. etc.