MSCyke, good or bad?

[ZZ_Jaron]

I don't use MSP alot because I face alot of aerial Sentinels & Cables.
My Storm's rushdowns suck and my comp never jumps in close enuf for Psy.

So I reverted 2 MSCyke and I do a little better, but is this team anygood against rushdowns, campers, etc?

[gouki10]

yes, in fact i believe it's better than msp.

why?, because of the fact that cyc anti air covers all that space infront of mag, mag and storm get free rushdowns. Psy doesn't cover that space, she only gives mag and storm easier set ups, but whats the point if you can't get in.

you have to get closer with psy than cyc to make your assist a threat.

[tech master]

msp the anti-air isnt strictly meant for anti-airs so don't view it like that. its mainly for resets/extending combos. cyke can combo, but its meant much more for anti-airs which is greatly needed against sent and storm.

[ZZ_Jaron]

Would Magneto work w/ Cyke almost as well as Storm?

[RowJoe]

It's definitely a good team. I'd suggest just learning the good Mag/Storm teams because they can serve different purposes. MSP for when you need that random hit, MSS-A for Sent/Capcom, Mag/Cyke for persistent + safe rushdown or countering, etc..

I don't think MSCyke is better than MSP. Yeah, it's got fewer bad matchups, but MSP can be more lethal than just about anything else. =/ Justin's MSCyke is ridiculously good, though.

Mag/Cyke works really well. It's easy to combo off Cyke (go into air combo, triple fierce, etc.) and Cyke cuts through a lot of good assists (Commando, Sent-A, Tron, Doom, and so on), so if you can cover him good, he's definitely useful.

[ZZ_Jaron]

It's definitely a good team. I'd suggest just learning the good Mag/Storm teams because they can serve different purposes. MSP for when you need that random hit, MSS-A for Sent/Capcom, Mag/Cyke for persistent + safe rushdown or countering, etc..

I don't think MSCyke is better than MSP. Yeah, it's got fewer bad matchups, but MSP can be more lethal than just about anything else. =/ Justin's MSCyke is ridiculously good, though.

Mag/Cyke works really well. It's easy to combo off Cyke (go into air combo, triple fierce, etc.) and Cyke cuts through a lot of good assists (Commando, Sent-A, Tron, Doom, and so on), so if you can cover him good, he's definitely useful.

Really, I always thought they didn't work well together.

And it seems like Justin's everything is good.
I'm gonna see if I can find some vids of his MSCyke play.

[gouki10]

give me a min. And i'll upload justin OCVing team West Coast at Evo.

Update: OMG yo the file finishs uploading a f-forge, and it has a software error, and can't make a web page.

if you give me your e-mail through a PM, then i can send it through yousendit.com, but i understand if you don't want to, in either case you should check out zachd.com/mvc2

preppy has the ultimate marvel dvds up and on disc 2, mixup uses mscyke alot.

[ImPerfectCell]

IMHO MSP is just much easier to play with. It doesnt take much execution to do the basics with MSP,but with MSC, u need better execution and experience to do the basics. A brand new player could probably pick up MSP and do some combos, but can that same new play do much with MSC? I like cyclops tho cause he doesnt die nearly as easily as psyloche. Plus, when psyloche comes in vs Sentinel, thats almost a free unblockable.

[Crono_Mashitoka]

Yeah, MS Cyc = Safer and fewer counter matchups

MSP = faster and more dangerous.

I prefer MSP over MS Cyc though because I'm more comfortable with them. And yes, Justin's MS Cyc is definitely worth looking at, especially this year at EVO.

[Grimm_Demize]

I like MSCyke. It's safe, less random in counters, and doesn't rely upon that random hit.

Personally, however, I think an even buffer version of this team is Mag/Sent/Cyke, with Sentinel on Ground assist. I like the option of being able to pressure with both drones and Cyke AAA, and you also have the proven combination of Sent/Cyke if something happens to Magneto.

[elitericerocket]

Yeah, I'm definitely no pro but I like playing Mag/Sent/Cyke as well.

[Radiant93]

im still for msp. lol.
@ Grimm_Demise: i like ur av, that's from Crono Trigger right?

[Grimm_Demize]

im still for msp. lol.
@ Grimm_Demise: i like ur av, that's from Crono Trigger right?

Yeah, Chrono Trigger. Thanks. :lovin:

[DarkBuu]

Mag Sent Cyke is a great team like the person above me said. Mag Cyke works very well together annoying to some ppl who arent used to playing against cyke assist wit Mag on point. And even if Mag gets destroyed you have Sent Cyke and unblockable set ups.

[funkymusic]

Really, I always thought they didn't work well together.

And it seems like Justin's everything is good.
I'm gonna see if I can find some vids of his MSCyke play.


Itll be pretty hard as he used mag/storm/cyke

[Demon Dash]

Itll be pretty hard as he used mag/storm/cyke
It'll be pretty hard to find Mag/Storm/Cyke vids because he used Mag/Storm/Cyke?

:confused:

[ZZ_Jaron]

I've already dropped this team, I play my team (loox at av)

[ZZ_Jaron]

Can Cyke's AAA setup ROM?

And does any1 know those crazy lockdowns on Sent that Justin does w/ Storm and Cyke?

[tech master]

Can Cyke's AAA setup ROM?

And does any1 know those crazy lockdowns on Sent that Justin does w/ Storm and Cyke?

c.lk+AAA, c.lk, dash foward and after the last hit you sj. hk, addf, lk, lk.

you dont even need the HK, its just easier.

i noticed justin often abuses:

AAA, sj hp, addf, HP \/ c.lk, c.lk, delay, s.hk+AAA

mid screen you can mix in rectangle jumps for better pressure

the teams all about just waiting for them to get hit by cyke and hailstorm or typical LA xx LS. and good pressure by storm often results iin quite a bit of AAA action

[shoultzula]

Can Cyke's AAA setup ROM?

And does any1 know those crazy lockdowns on Sent that Justin does w/ Storm and Cyke?

if you know about it, that means you've seen the video. Can't you just look back on it and copy it? isn't that why videos exists?

c.lk+AAA, c.lk, dash foward and after the last hit you sj. hk, addf, lk, lk.

you dont even need the HK, its just easier.



theres more to it than that. He will mixup where he calls his cyke to throw off the GC spot. Doing the rep like that is almost guranteed blockstun unless you can guess which setup he's going for or if he fucks up.

he may even do the same pattern but he will always call his cyke in a different spot.

I noticed it because thats how you play s\d. If you constantly do the same rep, you will get guard cancelled eventually. However, if you mixup how you call doom or rechain, you create different guard cancel spots and that keeps the opponent in block stun longer. Which means more pressure and easier hits.

storms 50\50's behind a long block stun pattern is something that no one wants to go against.

[ZZ_Jaron]

if you know about it, that means you've seen the video. Can't you just look back on it and copy it? isn't that why videos exist.

too fast for me, I watch em on youtube, so crappy quality + fast gameplay = Confused
EDIT: Besides, a majority of the time justin uses Matrix, I had found 1 vid of his MScyke, but I'm tryin to find it.

[De4dEyE]

MSC is more rewarding if you have good execution. As soon as Cyke hits, sj.rh ad.df lk, lk and infinite them till 45~, then hypergrav tempest XX DHC XX Hail. It will kill most anyone, and if it doesn't they'll be almost dead anyhow. Also, Storm/Cyke is superior to Storm/Psy against Sent, if only for the fact that Cyke is annoying as fuck to dodge.

You can reset with MSC, but.. why? Might as well go for solid damage. Anytime I use MSC, it's just infinite till XX, then DHC out to kill someone. Then it's all Storm/cyke from that point on. And as other people have already mentioned, this team isn't prone to getting completely [and easily] destroyed by unblockables if someone dies.

Mixup used to rock this team a while ago, IIRC. I think he plays MSS now, though.

[J360]

MSC is cheap as hell. it does very well against the sent duos that msp has problems with. magneto with counter call is cheap, especially when cyke keeps the other assist in for a good enough amount of time to open someone up with magnus or storm.

[ZZ_Jaron]

Last week I played MSC, then MSPand this is what I noticed.

MSC does pretty well against Doom teams (since thats what I'm playin against 80% of the time). Cyke's AAA eats up most assists and supers. Also, w/ Mag you can keep air happy Sents/Storms in check by using Cyke's AAA, sj.hcf+lp. Plus the stuntime after a blocked Cyke AAAleaves the enemy openfor a good amount of time.

MSP is mostly for resets and high damage combos. W/ MSP, you have to rushdown, otherwise you'll be stuck callin Psy AAA all day. Psy AAA does neccasaraly eat some assists except for assists that hit Instantly (Doom, Commando) and Psy's AAA does nothing against Sent's assists.

[Demon Dash]

Anyway, if you're looking for a Cyclpos team, you'd probably be best of using Matrix...

[shoultzula]

MSP is mostly for resets and high damage combos.

err...

msp = snap game over.

[SF3LP]

i have the vids from evo team tourney and (hopefully its ok) i uploaded them to my youtube account...Justin w/ MScyke = GAME OVER

check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCSGkpOsQFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY_ifRPHQjk

[True_Tech]

i've been trying to learn marvel i'm feeling mscyke and i hit up that folder preppy had i'll upload all the mscyke vids i have for you guys

www.plundered.net/videos/true_tech/mscyke/

[Demon Dash]

i've been trying to learn marvel i'm feeling mscyke and i hit up that folder preppy had i'll upload all the mscyke vids i have for you guys

www.plundered.net/videos/true_tech/mscyke/
7-1 is a hellish come back... Couldn't you just ad/uf to avoid the Sentinel unblockable on guard break?

[Preppy]

i have the vids from evo team tourney and (hopefully its ok) i uploaded them to my youtube account...Please don't do that. Flash is a crippling technology that goes against pretty much everything I stand for. So if you could take videos that I recorded down, that would be great. If you want to host them on a non-commercial site like True_Tech did (or filesharing services, as annoying are they are, since those let people download at their leisure), that'd be great. But YouTube: no. :smile:

I may have plans in this arena, but I've got some really specific plans that would be meant to address the shortcomings of YouTube.

[randomsuper]

why are you anti youtube? what about flash is crippling?

[Preppy]

* locks you into the flash rendering front-end
* denies you content access/download
* no 64bit options
* goes against the fundamental openness/accessibility that HTML was designed for

*shrug* It's just a simple request. Flash f-cks over the web experience, and I will hate them for that until the technology dies in a fire.

YouTube holds the content hostage. I don't want any part of that. I produce my content in good will, and ask that people respect my desires to not be used to promote other commercial for-profit ventures, inadvertently or not. :tup:

[ZZ_Jaron]

so basicly what ur sayin is "My work is done non-commercialized, keep it that way".

but yeah, youtube does take away from the video and the creator, it almost makes your masterpiece look like some random shit.