Non-car people. What do you like of the two?

[TTZ231]

I guess car people too.

Which one do you like more. I ask non-car people, because I'm pretty sure everyone will say "boosted car y0!" I want casual opinions please.

car 1

http://www.mautofied.com/AdPhotos/100039284_1.jpg

http://www.mautofied.com/AdPhotos/100039284_5.jpg

car 2

http://www.mautofied.com/AdPhotos/100040410_2.jpg

http://www.mautofied.com/AdPhotos/100040410_4.jpg

[efd753]

car 1

[Manx]

Eclipse wheel gap makes me want to slap someone. (Really long Mitsubishi rant omitted)

[9999]

Car 2 will give you a shitload more problems if its a turbo than car 1. Id personally go with the Celica.

[Night]

Based off those two sets of the pics, the Celica. The other car's interior looks pretty bad... even the floor mat had visible stains lol.

[Hwoarvang]

The Celica's interior design is kind of hard to beat. Everything else looks so dull in comparison when buying a different car.

A stock Celica looks akward at different angles. You need a subtle body kit, like a lip with some sides or something. At least that's what I plan to do with mines...

[AkumaTX]

they both suck ass, especially the one in your avatar.

[DragonSama]

Car 1 looks like it is in better condition. And it just looks nicer so get it.

[Ducky]

The Celica is better, although personally I've always seen both the Celica and Eclipse as fairly feminine cars.

[Etcetera]

... I've always seen both the Celica and Eclipse as fairly feminine cars.
QFT
I see more women driving Celica's and stock Eclipse's around than men.

[3b1r4h]

Yeah, both are pretty girly but I'd go Celica.

Eclipses............ eh................................................ ..................

[TTZ231]

they both suck ass, especially the one in your avatar.

and you're gay as hell.

Well, car number 1 is mine. I was going to trade for car number 2, but got half way there, and turned around. Reliability and interior design, plus the Celica has a nice wheel, pedals, and seats. Eclipse would need all aftermarket.

Oh yeah....Celica GT's are for girls, and GT-S 6 speed is for men.

[Striderhyru05]

no offense or anything but when i was driving around new york on my most recent trip some guy in a celica was chilling at the red light revving his motor like some ricer and i saw a yellow GTI pull up next to him and go CALM DOWN YOUR DRIVING A BITCH CAR

i was like ouch...

[Dem-Dem]

if you want to burn your money and have fun get car #2. if you want to be a chick magnet and don't plan on getting stopped by the cops or have a shit load of passangers or driving get the celica.(funny that I knew it was celica just from looking at the pics.)

[EndLeSS8]

The only good Mitsubishi is the EVO (I say that from experience, not because I'm a SRK car fanboy, which SRK is FULL of), so I say the Celica. However, this is the lesser of 2 evils, because the front of the Celica looks like some sort of "space frog"

[Dangerous J]

celica ftw

I m a toyota priest lol...

[DaDesiCanadian]

Yeah, go for the Celica, easy ass choice.

[AkumaTX]

and you're gay as hell.

Well, car number 1 is mine. I was going to trade for car number 2, but got half way there, and turned around. Reliability and interior design, plus the Celica has a nice wheel, pedals, and seats. Eclipse would need all aftermarket.

Oh yeah....Celica GT's are for girls, and GT-S 6 speed is for men.
quit trying to justify your buying of a celica. The fact that you even considered this thing a fair trade shows how much of a dumbass you are.

[ParryAll]

CAr 1 by FARRRRR.

Eclipse/Talons suck ass. Celica is way fucken better, and nicer rims/style to boot. Talon looked tacky w/ the silver/green bleh.

[Hoonyo]

no rice

[Biggzy]

they both suck ass, especially the one in your avatar.

I have to agree with AkumaTx here. Both of those cars make me sick.

[ShadowInfinity]

and GT-S 6 speed is for men.

Four cylinders, 180hp, FWD

A REAL man's car right?




You're not that Civic SI kid who had the regular Civic with an SI badge on it are you?

[Super Warrior]

I guess car people too.

Which one do you like more. I ask non-car people, because I'm pretty sure everyone will say "boosted car y0!" I want casual opinions please.



Car 1 w/Car 2's colorscheme :smile:

[TDeneka]

well im a car guy and even i say car 1. the reliability of one of those things are unheard of. i would never trade it for a dsm.

[Ducky]

Four cylinders, 180hp, FWD

A REAL man's car right?

You're not that Civic SI kid who had the regular Civic with an SI badge on it are you?

There's nothing wrong with the engine of the Celica.The entire look of it - that is what I think is feminine, 6 speed or not. I actually wanted to get an MR2 Spyder and swap it with a 2ZZ-GE engine for awhile, just couldn't find a MR2. Nothing wrong with four bangers, nothing wrong with cars with less than 200hp, nothing wrong with FWD cars.

[Gasp]

car 1 is more reliable and looks a lot cleaner
and i dont care what you got under the hood
the instant that shit shows up people are gonna think "chick car"

[TTZ231]

There's nothing wrong with the engine of the Celica.The entire look of it - that is what I think is feminine, 6 speed or not. I actually wanted to get an MR2 Spyder and swap it with a 2ZZ-GE engine for awhile, just couldn't find a MR2. Nothing wrong with four bangers, nothing wrong with cars with less than 200hp, nothing wrong with FWD cars.

Thank you. Shit! These cars hang with RSX Type S on straights and beat them in turns, you don't hear people bash RSX-S girl as a car do you? It's just like a Celica, the girls drive the base ones, men usually drive the 6 speed higher powered version.

BTW, there is NO girl cars that rev to 8400 RPM.

Anyway this should die. I'm not getting the DSM, I'm keeping the Celica. Fuck crankwalk, and fuck a car that will be on jackstands as much as it will be driven.

[Kuprin]

Style? Car 1.

I'm not terribly familiar with current cars, so I'd have to see some specs to make a gearhead opinion, but you didn't want one anyway. ;)

[ShadowInfinity]

There's nothing wrong with the engine of the Celica.The entire look of it - that is what I think is feminine, 6 speed or not. I actually wanted to get an MR2 Spyder and swap it with a 2ZZ-GE engine for awhile, just couldn't find a MR2. Nothing wrong with four bangers, nothing wrong with cars with less than 200hp, nothing wrong with FWD cars.


I totally agree with you, nothing is wrong with 4cyl, < 200hp and FWD. Cars like that are dependable, fuel efficient and cheap simple transportation. I just don't think its a "man's" car, which was my response to what TTZ231 said originally.

Econoboxes are not performance cars not matter how you tune it. They lack hp, torque, are wrong wheel drive. To make them comparable to a true performance car would require a ton of money and make the car into something that is hardly comfortable as a daily commuter, not to mention sound like a small propeller plane.

[TTZ231]

I totally agree with you, nothing is wrong with 4cyl, < 200hp and FWD. Cars like that are dependable, fuel efficient and cheap simple transportation. I just don't think its a "man's" car, which was my response to what TTZ231 said originally.

Econoboxes are not performance cars not matter how you tune it. They lack hp, torque, are wrong wheel drive. To make them comparable to a true performance car would require a ton of money and make the car into something that is hardly comfortable as a daily commuter, not to mention sound like a small propeller plane.

Wrong wheel drive? Nice one. But I only own Japanese cars and there is a reason IMO RWD Japanese cars sucks:

S13 = They are all too old for daily driving, and the swaps (SR RB) aren't exactly reliable, and have hard to get OEM parts. Command a premium even if its busted up.

S14 = overpriced even with stock KA24DE. SE 5 lug carry a premium, and 97-98 slant eye front can be upward to 8K + even with a stock KA24. Not that old, but too old for the asking prices. The car aint that good.

Miata = too impractical.

RX-7 = (FD or FC) Only reliable with a SBC. FC is too old. Both still command premiums.

RX-8 = lower power than Mazda claimed, bad MPG.

S2000 = impractical.

NSX = impractical

300ZX Z31 = old trash.

300ZX Z32 = unreliable due to heat buildup. Premium prices.

350Z = Good choice without drawbacks.

G35 = Good choice without drawbacks.

MR2 AW11 = impractical, old.

MR2 SW20 = impractical, unreliable with 5SFE or early 3SGTE. Premium prices.

MRS = impractical

Supra JZA70 = just too old.

Supra JZA80 = 20,000 dollars for a 100K mile non- turbo 5 speed 93 model? Isn't that still a 14 year old Toyota? Don't even think about 97 6 speed TT models with rare options.

IS300 = Does have a 2JZ, but still needs Supra 2JZ block, tranny and rear end. Good choice though if you can get a manual, and don't care about 800 HP.

AE86 = Old as hell. I'd be as embarrased to drive this as I would a Chevy Citation.

Then there's AWD:

Galant VR4 = hard to get.

3000 GT VR4 = big buck car in good condition. If NOT in good condition, it WILL blow up.

Eclipse GSX/Talon TSi AWD 1G = mechanical nightmares.

Eclipse GSX/Talon TSi AWD 2G = even MORE unreliable than 1G DSM.

Evo VIII = Good choice, no drawbacks

Celica All-Trac ST185 = too old, hard to get.

Celica All-Trac ST205 = hard to get.

Impreza 2.5 RS GC8 = hard to get, premium due to bodystyle.

Impreza 2.5 RS GDB = good choice, no drawbacks

WRX GDB = Glass tranny on 2.0 WRX. 2.5 WRX and STi seem good choices with no drawback.

Legacy 2.5 GT turbo = good no drawbacks.


That doesn't even take in my personal feeling about these cars. Because even though say, a 350Z is a good RWD choice, I absolutely think it's a hideous car. And though I like the 300ZX, it's an unreliable car. Maybe age is a personal thing, but I'm not trusting some 18 year old car everyday, or being any kind of distance from home. I'm also not paying crazy loot for something thats not worth it stock. That means a $8000 97 240SX SE is out, when I could get a 2000 Civic Si with that. Maybe after putting nice rims and a BPU++ RB25DET on it, it will be a much greater car, but stock for stock my original investment on that Civic makes more sense. Not to mention that 75% of these AWD/RWD cars listed will be a shitbox, in need of cosmetic repair. I'll take a clean, newer FWD over some rust bucket S13 that I can't be seen in public in.

And lastly, for most people with FWD "tuner"(I hate that word) cars, we got em, for the reasons stated, reliable, gas saver (if you stay off the pedal), but also these things are fun enough for what the average person gets to do. You get to run up to 8400 RPM, and it;s quick enough when driving spirited.

We're not all trying to be the next drift king.

[Ducky]

Thank you. Shit! These cars hang with RSX Type S on straights and beat them in turns, you don't hear people bash RSX-S girl as a car do you? It's just like a Celica, the girls drive the base ones, men usually drive the 6 speed higher powered version.

BTW, there is NO girl cars that rev to 8400 RPM.

Anyway this should die. I'm not getting the DSM, I'm keeping the Celica. Fuck crankwalk, and fuck a car that will be on jackstands as much as it will be driven.

The 350Z is a very sleek looking car. I'm fairly biased being a Fairlady owner myself (albeit a 78 280Z - which is a fucking monster when fixed up, although not very common). Still, the RSX is also one of those feminine cars, IMO. Having an RSX-S just means having a slightly faster feminine looking car. This is all based on the style of the car, not what is under the hood... the K series engine is beast.

I totally agree with you, nothing is wrong with 4cyl, < 200hp and FWD. Cars like that are dependable, fuel efficient and cheap simple transportation. I just don't think its a "man's" car, which was my response to what TTZ231 said originally.

Econoboxes are not performance cars not matter how you tune it. They lack hp, torque, are wrong wheel drive. To make them comparable to a true performance car would require a ton of money and make the car into something that is hardly comfortable as a daily commuter, not to mention sound like a small propeller plane.

You don't need a RWD V6 to have it classify as a man's car. I drive a 5th gen Prelude and it makes pussys wet whenever chicks see it. The Prelude has about 200hp - and it was marketed as a performance vehicle. The only true sports coupe from Honda (the S2K is a roadster and the Civic SI is a souped up "econobox"). My car doesn't have a lawnmower sound either.

I don't really see what the big deal is with RWD biased people... please explain it to me.

[Troyboy's Back!]

There Both Ugly y0!

[ShadowInfinity]

The 350Z is a very sleek looking car. I'm fairly biased being a Fairlady owner myself (albeit a 78 280Z - which is a fucking monster when fixed up, although not very common). Still, the RSX is also one of those feminine cars, IMO. Having an RSX-S just means having a slightly faster feminine looking car. This is all based on the style of the car, not what is under the hood... the K series engine is beast.



You don't need a RWD V6 to have it classify as a man's car. I drive a 5th gen Prelude and it makes pussys wet whenever chicks see it. The Prelude has about 200hp - and it was marketed as a performance vehicle. The only true sports coupe from Honda (the S2K is a roadster and the Civic SI is a souped up "econobox"). My car doesn't have a lawnmower sound either.

I don't really see what the big deal is with RWD biased people... please explain it to me.


Lets drop the whole man's car thing. Every person has their own tastes.

Its not that I don't like FWD, I do. Its safer in bad weather vs RWD, the fact that the engine and tranny all fit in the front makes it cheaper and easier to produce, no tranny taking up space in the rear, etc. RWD is superior however if you want the best platform to race with. FWD just doesn't compare. And really, thats it. I just have a problem with ricers, tuners, whatever driving around in loud FWD econoboxes with godawful body kits and wings that actually increase drag, driving like around like dicks in their "performance cars"

I've seen pics of your car Ducky and you're the minority who owns a tastefully done clean import. Props to you.

[Bojack]

I don't really see what the big deal is with RWD biased people... please explain it to me.

FWD transmissions cannot generally handle large amounts of torque (and to a lesser extent horsepower) which is what's really important for true performance cars (i.e. muscle/super cars that are all either RWD or Mid engine type layouts. Essentially, the Honda Prelude (compared to 'Vettes, v8 Mustangs, and the like) will always have severe limitations both due to drive train issues as well as lack of displacement. Sure your Prelude might get girls wet, all a car needs for that is flash. But when a Camaro SS leaves your ass behind because you have bitch torque well, she might leave your ass.

BTW if ANYONE thinks a high redline means shit to how a car performs, my fiancee's Hyundai Elantra has a much higher redline than my father's 71 302 Mustang with four barrel carb, guess which engine provide more power. I think bringing up redline during car discussions is stupid.

[El Maniatico]

car 1 cause its cleaner but it likes like a mass produced hond on the inside

car 2 is kinda soso but i like the paint! inside would be nicer if it was clean!

[ShadowInfinity]

FWD transmissions cannot generally handle large amounts of torque (and to a lesser extent horsepower) which is what's really important for true performance cars (i.e. muscle/super cars that are all either RWD or Mid engine type layouts. Essentially, the Honda Prelude (compared to 'Vettes, v8 Mustangs, and the like) will always have severe limitations both due to drive train issues as well as lack of displacement. Sure your Prelude might get girls wet, all a car needs for that is flash. But when a Camaro SS leaves your ass behind because you have bitch torque well, she might leave your ass.

BTW if ANYONE thinks a high redline means shit to how a car performs, my fiancee's Hyundai Elantra has a much higher redline than my father's 71 302 Mustang with four barrel carb, guess which engine provide more power. I think bringing up redline during car discussions is stupid.

FWD also means torque steer unless the car has a limited slip differential, understeer, and a nose heavy car since the engine and transmission components are located entirely in the front of the car, resulting in poor cornering.

[Bojack]

FWD also means torque steer unless the car has a limited slip differential, understeer, and a nose heavy car since the engine and transmission components are located entirely in the front of the car, resulting in poor cornering.

Oh yeah forgot the steering differences and the comparably horrid weight dist of FWD cars. Also, FWD cars are usually a nightmare to work on.



---B.j.

[ShadowInfinity]

Oh yeah forgot the steering differences and the comparably horrid weight dist of FWD cars. Also, FWD cars are usually a nightmare to work on.



---B.j.


Yep, because so many parts are crammed into such a small area, vs RWD where there are less parts distributed comfortably along the car. The trade off is a small increase in weight since RWD systems weigh more.

[ssjbrydon]

comparing RWD cars to FWD cars is like comparing apples and oranges.


theres nothing wrong with FWD performance cars, not everyone has the money the afford those 30k "real" RWD sports cars. although that isnt an excuse for all the damn civics in the world....


to the guy with the celica: if u got a gt-s good job, its a nice car. but please lose those wheels...

[TTZ231]

comparing RWD cars to FWD cars is like comparing apples and oranges.


theres nothing wrong with FWD performance cars, not everyone has the money the afford those 30k "real" RWD sports cars. although that isnt an excuse for all the damn civics in the world....


to the guy with the celica: if u got a gt-s good job, its a nice car. but please lose those wheels...

Yes it's a GT-S 6 speed. I had it for about 4 months. I put it on that site for trade, but nothing offered is good enough, the Eclipse was close, but the interior is too spartan and dirty compared to the Celica, and it's not a GSX.

The wheels are the stock ones painted black. I will be adding 17 inch Rota D2 black with a polished lip.

[Mycah Leonhart]

Both cars are pretty fuckin' riced out.

This should cleanse things a bit.......

2 Door Sexy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSC00205.jpg

4 Door Sexy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSC00390.jpg

One of the VERY few cars in the world where the "Rice Wing" looks good.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/DSC00409.jpg

And I gotta drop at least one S13
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2548889910043564013VcPoNu

There we go.......much better.

[TTZ231]

are you stupid? RX7 isn't exactly an every day car, the S15 and Crown aren't readily over here, and an S13 is too old be driving around everyday, unless you like shitboxes. It adds as little as the RWD debate in the thread.

Also please explain how a stock Celica, lowered in front, with black stock wheels is riced out?

Foor door sexy is a 2001 Lancer GSR Evolution VI Zero Fighter UK RalliArt. Google it.

[Mycah Leonhart]

are you stupid? RX7 isn't exactly an every day car, the S15 and Crown aren't readily over here, and an S13 is too old be driving around everyday, unless you like shitboxes. It adds as little as the RWD debate in the thread.

Also please explain how a stock Celica, lowered in front, with black stock wheels is riced out?

Foor door sexy is a 2001 Lancer GSR Evolution VI Zero Fighter UK RalliArt. Google it.

Now, Now Young Padawan.......

FD not everyday - True, I was just showing sexy cars.

S13 too old to be a daily?, Shitbox you say? - I disagree.

Bought mine for $600 in August '05 after a drunk hit my FD and totaled it - it's not an FD but handlewise it's damned close.

Preformance wise, we won't go there.

Lookswise?, I'll admit the only 2 ways you can get the S chassis close to modern looking and "sexy" in the general public's eye is Kouki 180 or Kouki 14.

The S13 I posted is ANYTHING but a shitbox, and as for the SR being "unreliable" I'll let the other Nissan Guys talk about that one, only idiots blow SR's up. And RB first of all if you're dumb/rich/ballsy enought to try this - it'll blow up if you're a total idiot RB's are damn near bulletproof.

I mean looking at your posts, it's not hate that you have but ignorance, I'll educate you a little bit and touch up on what you posted.

SR's are VERY reliable only if you get an aftermarket Oil Pan the stock one is good but gets fucked up during shipping to the US.

S13 = They are all too old for daily driving, and the swaps (SR RB) aren't exactly reliable, and have hard to get OEM parts. Command a premium even if its busted up.

Bought mine for $600 in August '05 after a drunk hit my FD and totaled it - it's not an FD but handlewise it's damned close, not fast at all with that damned stock KA24E but I will say this - Last night the bitch hit 277,777 miles and she still pulls strong and knocks out newer Sentra SE-R's (they ALWAYS fuck with 240's for some reason) and ANY OTHER LESSER N/A I-4 ON THE HIGHWAY am I the sahit? - Nope I'm not, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from it but I know what these cars can do and the potential is LIMITLESS for the S Chassis.


S14 = overpriced even with stock KA24DE. SE 5 lug carry a premium, and 97-98 slant eye front can be upward to 8K + even with a stock KA24. Not that old, but too old for the asking prices. The car aint that good.

They CAN be overpriced, but where are you shopping?! - you do know that you NEVER buy cars from OTHER young guys right?, look for older guys I found a '97 240SX LE (that's the BEST one) with 120K on the clock for $1,400 the guys was in the high 30's and to him the car was useless cause it was 10 years old with over 100K on the clock, I bought my FD for 7K from an old Asian Doctor with just over 100K on the clock, I got my S13 for $600 from an African in his 30's - it was his College car - DO NOT GO CAR SHOPPING AT THE CAR MEETS!!!

Also there isn't a whole hell of a lot diffrence from S13 and S14, Think R32 vs. R33 it lost a few things, and slipped a little but it's STILL a kickass car.

Miata = too impractical.

They are REALLY fuckin' small - I'll give you that but Roadsters are supposed to be "Toy Cars" not DD's unless you're a lone wolf kinda guy.

RX-7 = (FD or FC) Only reliable with a SBC. FC is too old. Both still command premiums.

SBC? - Phone Companies are selling cars now? :confused: j/k I'm guessing you're talking about a Boost Controller?

At anyrate I've owned 2 RX-7's '83 (FB) and '93 (FD) the FB was a $200 pain in the ass to get running but after I got it running it was a fun little deathtrap of a car.

The FD was the best 7K I've ever spent but I only enjoyed it for about 4 months now I won't lie you need to be rich and anal to own an FD, the one I owned had nothing but reliability mods from the first owner (Oil Coolers, etc) it didn't have ANY go fast mods at all but it was nicely tuned and full of Mazdaspeed parts.

RX-8 = lower power than Mazda claimed, bad MPG.

Yeah they were off a bit with the RX-8 Numbers but it's still a cool ass car to have and it IS decent on Gas if you don't send the damned tach soaring every gear.

S2000 = impractical.

See Miata.

NSX = impractical

This is in the "Not Supposed to be a DD" car group - this is for folks with Money and lots of it - as much as I love it (only one of 2 Hondas I have any respect for) it's All Show n' No Go (for the price)

300ZX Z31 = old trash.

Old, Yeah - Trash, No

If you ran a Z31 I'd place my cash on the 31.

300ZX Z32 = unreliable due to heat buildup. Premium prices.

I never heard of any of them blowing up :confused:

350Z = Good choice without drawbacks.

But you called the Miata and S2K "Impractical"? :confused:

G35 = Good choice without drawbacks.

Yes this car is a pimp but it's a bit pricy.

MR2 AW11 = impractical, old.

So do all 2 seaters suck?, you seemed to like the 350Z :confused:

I'm not a fan of 1st Gen MR2's either but they love the twisty stuff.......I mean it's a damned Lotus in Toyota Badging.

MR2 SW20 = impractical, unreliable with 5SFE or early 3SGTE. Premium prices.

NEVER heard of these being unreliable, Premium Prices cause they are worth it, Again it's a Lotus w/ Toyota Badges.

MRS = impractical

I'm starting to think that you sir don't like verts, MRS got Nerfed.

Supra JZA70 = just too old.

THIS motherfucker is the unreliable one!!! But if you get it running the Easy HP gain game is in full effect.

Supra JZA80 = 20,000 dollars for a 100K mile non- turbo 5 speed 93 model? Isn't that still a 14 year old Toyota? Don't even think about 97 6 speed TT models with rare options.

The 4th Gen Supra is Class A in the Import Game, It's the GT-R's Rival that's why the price is Skyhigh plus THEY DON'T BREAK I've heard of 4th Gen TURBOS that have 200K+ from the OG owners and NOTHING broke.

Personaly I hate the way they look but Toyota gave everything they had in building this car so it could compete with the GT-R

IS300 = Does have a 2JZ, but still needs Supra 2JZ block, tranny and rear end. Good choice though if you can get a manual, and don't care about 800 HP.

Yeah this is one of the Supra's Cousins, the other one is the SC300.

AE86 = Old as hell. I'd be as embarrased to drive this as I would a Chevy Citation.

Yep, it's old but thanks to Initial D it's the "it" car for Drifting.

Galant VR4 = hard to get.

They Sure Are.

3000 GT VR4 = big buck car in good condition. If NOT in good condition, it WILL blow up.

I'd give my Left Nut for a Black VR-4 Spyder, and yeah if they had a hard life you'll have to bring them back from the grave.......but that's with ANY car.

Eclipse GSX/Talon TSi AWD 1G = mechanical nightmares.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol but again you have to be a damned fool to get that far.

Eclipse GSX/Talon TSi AWD 2G = even MORE unreliable than 1G DSM.

See Above.

Evo VIII = Good choice, no drawbacks

Well there is ONE drawback, they are watered the fuck down and pricey Evo > STi

Celica All-Trac ST185 = too old, hard to get.

Yeah these are hard to get but worth it.

Celica All-Trac ST205 = hard to get.

See Above.

Impreza 2.5 RS GC8 = hard to get, premium due to bodystyle.

Why mess with the Low Tier with you can get Mid or High?

Impreza 2.5 RS GDB = good choice, no drawbacks

See Above.

WRX GDB = Glass tranny on 2.0 WRX. 2.5 WRX and STi seem good choices with no drawback.

I never heard of the tranny being bad, I mean those Trannys are the only way you can get a Manual SVX (I love those cars)

Legacy 2.5 GT turbo = good no drawbacks.

You mean the fuckin' WAGON?! :rofl:


Seriously man, FWD is NOT worth putting money into.

And why did I pull the Rice Card?, Well how much Motor Work do you have done? - And why even fuck with a FWD DSM?!

If you want DSM go 4WD or go home, the FWD Turbo one I'd buy for a GF but that's the only way I'd mess with it.

Think about this man.......

If FWD was sooooooooooo good why don't the Big Dogs use it?

FWD has LIMITS and a LOT of them.

[Bojack]

FWD is a manufacturing technique to significantly lower the costs of car development. It allows makers to put the back wheels wherever they feel like it. It's NEVER done with performance in mind.



---B.j.

[Mycah Leonhart]

FWD is a manufacturing technique to significantly lower the costs of car development. It allows makers to put the back wheels wherever they feel like it. It's NEVER done with performance in mind.



---B.j.

Man fuck you!, That makes way too much sense - GTFO of this thread with all that "logic" shit!!! :looney:

[J-ride]

I'd take car 1, after working at my Dad's shop during college, and seeing the cost of repairs that the average ecilpse runs, you'd have to give me an eclipse, because I sure wouldn't buy it.

I really think kids talk WAY too much about handling. One of my friends has a WRX and goes on and on about how it can outhandle other cars, and my dad challenged him to a race and lapped him with a 72 Camaro. GOOD THING HE HAD SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY ON HIS SIDE. Having a great handling car, but not having any skill is about the same of putting a customised, rifled, 1911 in the hands of a noob and the guy thinking that's going to make him a good shot.

[ssjbrydon]

i was never a fan of the 240s but im a nissan guy so they get a thumbs up from me. they are pretty reliable i just dont like the way they look at all.

while FWD arent worth much to put money into, but its still not a bad idea to put some bolt on's to have some fun with. i drive a spec V and i can tell u dont walk up mustangs and camaro's lookin for races, my car handles like a beast and i love driving it more than my friends V8 mustang.

[Mycah Leonhart]

I'd take car 1, after working at my Dad's shop during college, and seeing the cost of repairs that the average ecilpse runs, you'd have to give me an eclipse, because I sure wouldn't buy it.

I really think kids talk WAY too much about handling. One of my friends has a WRX and goes on and on about how it can outhandle other cars, and my dad challenged him to a race and lapped him with a 72 Camaro. GOOD THING HE HAD SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY ON HIS SIDE. Having a great handling car, but not having any skill is about the same of putting a customised, rifled, 1911 in the hands of a noob and the guy thinking that's going to make him a good shot.

I highly doubt that '72 Camaro was stock sir, WRX STi or one of the other ones?

[J-ride]

I highly doubt that '72 Camaro was stock sir, WRX STi or one of the other ones?

Of course it wasn't stock, but he talked about how drag racing doesn't take any skill and he was going to show my dad how to really drive. The point was that even though he had a Vrally beast he still couldn't beat the more experienced driver, and his STI isn't stock either. My dad raced sprint for a few years so he wasn't a noob to cornering. Most of the handling only comes in if you are a really good driver, and if you aren't you probably aren't going to be able to tell much difference. So instead of spending so much money on a fancy car, how about learning how to corner and control a car properly?

[Mycah Leonhart]

So instead of spending so much money on a fancy car, how about learning how to corner and control a car properly?

This is true, I've taken many a Middle Aged Miata Driver down before with my car.

[TTZ231]

S13 too old to be a daily?, Shitbox you say? - I disagree.

If a normal joe-blow would turn his head away from it, it's a shitbox. If a girl would rag on you, it's shitbox.


The S13 I posted is ANYTHING but a shitbox, and as for the SR being "unreliable" I'll let the other Nissan Guys talk about that one, only idiots blow SR's up. And RB first of all if you're dumb/rich/ballsy enought to try this - it'll blow up if you're a total idiot RB's are damn near bulletproof.

You aren't looking at facts. How many of these motors get imported with aready hard lives? I'll bet a high percentage of SR and BR when you crack it opebn, it's got some OS Giken double plate clutch, and other things that hint at it's previous life. Then how old all this junk is? These motors are from 1989, maybe a few newer ones.

But that's me...I don't trust NO 18 year car. Not even a Honda or Toyota.

Again, try finding OEM parts. SR is just now getting them in, and you still have to pay speedshop prices. RB = good luck.

I saw the owner of a speedshop who couldn't start his SR20 in a Kroger parking lot 2 weeks ago, his quote =

"Can't even get the damn starters for these things"

He jerryrigged it to start but still.... old junk.


I mean looking at your posts, it's not hate that you have but ignorance, I'll educate you a little bit and touch up on what you posted.

Ignorance?


SR's are VERY reliable only if you get an aftermarket Oil Pan the stock one is good but gets fucked up during shipping to the US.

It's old, and turbo'd.


Bought mine for $600 in August '05 after a drunk hit my FD and totaled it - it's not an FD but handlewise it's damned close, not fast at all with that damned stock KA24E but I will say this - Last night the bitch hit 277,777 miles and she still pulls strong and knocks out newer Sentra SE-R's (they ALWAYS fuck with 240's for some reason) and ANY OTHER LESSER N/A I-4 ON THE HIGHWAY am I the sahit? - Nope I'm not, FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from it but I know what these cars can do and the potential is LIMITLESS for the S Chassis.

You trust a 280000 mile car to get you where you have to go?

There is a local 240 coupe S13 which was VG30DETT swapped, later he put in an SR20, and offered it for sale. This thing was reconditioned to mint, kitted, rims, everything your dori-dori dorifto lovin ass wet dreams about. It could have been mine for the Celica months ago....but it was still some 1990 old garbage that you can tell is OLD. It can be as mint, and show quality, and fast as it wants but I'd still rather have a car that gets pussy wet, than dorifto dicks hard.

Hey, Celica's, Prelude, and Eclipse's might get their pussies wet because they would rather be driving one...but whatever.

Maybe find me an S15 Spec R then we'll talk.


Also there isn't a whole hell of a lot diffrence from S13 and S14, Think R32 vs. R33 it lost a few things, and slipped a little but it's STILL a kickass car.

Actually of the 2, the modern ones may be heavier, and softer, but the newer ones are better. Especially because R32's and S13's look 1980's. The newer ones looks 90's (the golden age of Japanese cars)


SBC? - Phone Companies are selling cars now? :confused: j/k I'm guessing you're talking about a Boost Controller?

LS1. In other terms, a variation of the Small Block [b]Chevy. The ONLY reliables have these in them.


Yeah they were off a bit with the RX-8 Numbers but it's still a cool ass car to have and it IS decent on Gas if you don't send the damned tach soaring every gear.

Here's your RX-8:

http://media.putfile.com/GTS-vs-RX8

(Only difference in his GTS and mine is the Power FC and a header)


If you ran a Z31 I'd place my cash on the 31.

Z31 Turbo is a 15's car, right? I have slips and vids of 14.7 from a GT-S. It's a completely different car if you can hit lift in the 1-2 shift. You can get the 0-60 to just over 6 secnods.

Infact, I posted a vid of me doing a 0-60 with only my CAI and unbolt, and people on a non-believer site thought my car had more mods than stated, or it was downhill(even though you can see the road a little). Noone wants to believe it.



But you called the Miata and S2K "Impractical"? :confused:

It has enough room for storage. But a convertible I wouldn't want to drive in winter.


So do all 2 seaters suck?, you seemed to like the 350Z :confused:

I don't like the 350. It sounds nice, but it's fucking hideous, like all new Nissans(including GT-R concept) is. For dailying purposes it is acceptable. I'd much rather have a Z32 Twin Turbo. for Looks and performance.


I'm starting to think that you sir don't like verts, MRS got Nerfed.

I like the 2.0 liter F20C S2000 that revs to 9000. They can keep the 2.2. 5 ft/lbs isn't worth taking away 1000 RPMs.

MRS was too much of a boxster copy design wise. Though it would be faster than a Boxster with a 2ZZGE.


THIS motherfucker is the unreliable one!!! But if you get it running the Easy HP gain game is in full effect.

All you need is a metal headgasket on 7MGTE, or a 1ZJ/2JZ swap. But still too old.


The 4th Gen Supra is Class A in the Import Game, It's the GT-R's Rival that's why the price is Skyhigh plus [b]THEY DON'T BREAK I've heard of 4th Gen TURBOS that have 200K+ from the OG owners and NOTHING broke.

Didn't argue that. But they cost more than new, with the newest one USDM being 10 years old.



GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol but again you have to be a damned fool to get that far.

That's only the 2G. People swap 1G block into 2G to avoid crankwalk.


Well there is ONE drawback, they are watered the fuck down and pricey Evo > STi


This is another one of those "it fits criteria" but I hate the way these things look. I want a fucking CP9A....a V or VI.

Evo VI > *


Why mess with the Low Tier with you can get Mid or High?

Because the GC8 Impreza looks a million times better than the GDB. I'd get a 2.5 RS coupe and put all Impreza WRX Version 6 or 22B STi shit on it. Before I get any 2002+ WRX.

22B STi > *


You mean the fuckin' WAGON?!

Sedan.



Seriously man, FWD is NOT worth putting money into.

I can help it if there is no good reasons to get a RWD car. Ugly, old, or expensive. I'd rather have my cammed FWD car that revs to 9500 anyway.

It's your opinion. We all arent track racing, Best Motoring wannabe's.


And why did I pull the Rice Card?, Well how much Motor Work do you have done? - And why even fuck with a FWD DSM?!

What do I have for looks? black wheels. There is no body kit, no "euro" lights. ect. ect.

So tell me how a stock car with a CAI is rice? Your view confuses me. I don't have $40987 worth of body/interior/sound/paint and a stock GT automatic with blue plugwires and a short ram intake.

So, whats the reasoning behind the rice card.



Think about this man.......

If FWD was sooooooooooo good why don't the Big Dogs use it?

FWD has LIMITS and a LOT of them.

Guess what. I don't care. You can drive your old beaten RWD "handling god" to hell for all it's worth. I'll drive my understeering FWD limited car to the club.

[AkumaTX]

^^^

and ill pull up in my G and laugh at you for having a girls car.

[Bojack]

I like the 2.0 liter F20C S2000 that revs to 9000. They can keep the 2.2. 5 ft/lbs isn't worth taking away 1000 RPMs.


I can help it if there is no good reasons to get a RWD car. Ugly, old, or expensive. I'd rather have my cammed FWD car that revs to 9500 anyway.


So, whats the reasoning behind the rice card.

Guess what. I don't care. You can drive your old beaten RWD "handling god" to hell for all it's worth. I'll drive my understeering FWD limited car to the club.

Torque is ALWAYS worth it. Especially if the car reaches it's torque peak early in the revs and keeps it througout the power range. The reasoning behind the rice card is probably that you think FWD means shit when all it is is a handicap. You also seem to think that a cars revs and redline really means shit. You only need absurdly high revs for well, not a whole hell of a lot. Sure they might help small engines with turbos and maybe make the car more fun to drive.

Sure drive your FWD pile to the club, then get spanked by Trans Ams and the like. Good call. Since FWD is so awesome I'm sure Bugatti will make 2nd Gen Veyrons FWD or whatever.



---B.j.
Shelby once said "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." Notice he didn't say torque with high redline. Stop bringing it up.

[TTZ231]

Now there is a reason this title of the thread said "NON-CAR PEOPLE" SO this exact bull would not happen. This simply asking what do you like better in terms of outer and inner looks, then the fags come in here with all the FWD is teh gay. GTFO. Is this a FWD VS RWD thread? No. Dumb fucks can't read.

Torque is ALWAYS worth it. Especially if the car reaches it's torque peak early in the revs and keeps it througout the power range. The reasoning behind the rice card is probably that you think FWD means shit when all it is is a handicap.

YOu think I think it's better? Then you're stupid. The cars that have FWD are more reasonable to drive and look at. I'd rather drive a 2000 Civic Si coupe, than a 98 240SX, not because the Si is FWD, but because it looks better.

Whereas your choices are based on drive wheels, I actually want a nice to look at car, that suits my taste.


You also seem to think that a cars revs and redline really means shit. You only need absurdly high revs for well, not a whole hell of a lot. Sure they might help small engines with turbos and maybe make the car more fun to drive.

You said it.... fun to drive. That's all it's about here. A car that is fun to drive, which a FWD high revving car can be.

I've driven cars that have more TQ than HP, and yes it's fast, but power delivery sucks. Redline is only 5700, but the motor loses pull at 5000, not a fun experience. My shit is comfortable to 8200 and the redline is 7800, the fuel cut 8400. After installation, even untuned, with the Power FC, this motor is happy to rev to 8700 and wont lose pull til 8500.

I prefer that kind of power delivery

Personally I need my engines to rev high. I don't care what you wanna do with your shit, but I'm all about high redline. And no the 5 ft/lbs for the decreased redline in the S2000 isn't worth it.


Sure drive your FWD pile to the club, then get spanked by Trans Ams and the
like. Good call. Since FWD is so awesome I'm sure Bugatti will make 2nd Gen Veyrons FWD or whatever.

But the point is...I don't care about racing no trans am. If I did want to race trans ams i'd get a EG hatch CX and strip it, and throw a K20A in it. But unfortunately, that would be a ugly shitbox.


Shelby once said "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." Notice he didn't say torque with high redline. Stop bringing it up.

STop bringing it up. Stop bringing it up? Are you fucking stupid? This isn't even your fucking thread. And secondly the thread isn't about what it was even originally about. Because of stupid bitches that cant read like YOU.

I don't give a DAMN about YOUR drive wheel preferences. I don't want any American cars (resell value) and pretty much every Jap RWD sucks for some reason. Either it's expensive due to "drift tax" or it's too little, or it's old and not worthy of looking at, or it's ugly.

[Ducky]

I like the 2.0 liter F20C S2000 that revs to 9000. They can keep the 2.2. 5 ft/lbs isn't worth taking away 1000 RPMs.


I actually hate the high revving S2K. It's all about whether or not you can stand the noisy cabin and whether you like constantly shifting so you can maintain power... but you are pretty much forced to high rev and shift constantly because there is so little power in the lower RPM's in the S2K. I like the look and would drive one occasionally, but it would be such a drag for a daily driver.

[TTZ231]

The low revving one requires MORE shifting, because the the redline is lower, AND it has shorter gear ratios.

You're in 3rd gear before 60. There are vid of the 9000 RPM S2K beating the 8000 RPM S2K.

[Mycah Leonhart]

It's no use - you're set in your ways, but Akuma wins w/ his G35 :rofl:

But yes I trust a 278,xxx mile car to get me where I have to go, After I bought it I replaced everything that needed it and she drives juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine I'm not letting that Chassis go till she hits 500K, that's a promise.

I'm from the "Bang for Buck" school, I belive in paying less then 7K overall to beat shit that costs 20K and up also I don't need my ride to score pussy. :wgrin:

At least you drive a stick.