Best char on their own

[ZZ_Jaron]

Who would be the best char to fight w/o assists against an ENTIRE TEAM?
Lets say ur playing Santhrax and the opponent snaps commando in early in the match then kills commando and then Sent, would Storm be able to fight by herself w/o assists against the other team? Same thing for every other character.

This list is based in the opinion of others, not mine

Top Tier
Storm
Mag
Doom
Cyke

High Tier
Sent
IM
Psy

(List is to be continued)

Thoughts, comments, discussion...

[Radiant93]

ermm.. i dont think cable even with meter would be on top of mag and storm when it comes down to fighting alone.

[rYo_sakaZaki]

cable sucks if he's alone...

[rYo_sakaZaki]

hey, dont forget ryu...

i can beat high & upper tiers with ryu one on one with the exceptions of ironman & omega red...

well, at least for me... =)

[Green]

Ztorm

[KillerKai]

On their own against one other character or on their own vs. an entire team?

[Monkey D. Malcolm]

yea ts definitely storm

[shoultzula]

top 3 are debateable between whos better solo.

I say its magnus. He's one hit kill anywhere on the screen. Thats something that storm\sent don't really have.

[Demon Dash]

Why are your tiers practically the same as if they had assists?

[box]

Storm would probably be #1. Without assists, her runaway ability is unstoppable. And her rushdown ability is also improved. People won't have a get-off me commando/psylocke/cyclops assist.

Magneto and Sentinel would also be good. Magnus rushdown and Sentinel flying stompdown would be hard to counter without assists.

One big change is that Cable would go down. Cable needs assists in order to stop rushdown.

Iron Man would go up. When anyone fights Ironman, they try their best to keep him at bay with their assists... but since that wouldn't work in this scenario...

[Demon Dash]

Strider would probably go up aswell. Ouroburous fills the screen with far too much crap, although meter building would be limited.

[Deus]

storm > mag > sent == storm

this is considering teams as well

[BB Hood]

Wait is this like a one on one both characters with full life? If so I choose Iron Man.

[Kayin]

Strider would probably go up aswell. Ouroburous fills the screen with far too much crap, although meter building would be limited.

Strider without Doom? =/

[Deus]

talking about this game without discussing team mechanics is fuckin stupid

[Ephidel]

Strider without Doom? =/

QFT

man I dunno from what I seen storm or mag.

[rYo_sakaZaki]

magneto is #1 in 1on1 match...

he can beat his co-top tiers w/o assists

[Deus]

magneto is #1 in 1on1 match...

he can beat his co-top tiers w/o assists

storm eats magnus alive

only character that can fuck with that bitch is sent

this shit isn't even up for discussion

[rYo_sakaZaki]

storm eats magnus alive

only character that can fuck with that bitch is sent

this shit isn't even up for discussion


really? i didnt know that... maybe there aren't any good storm players in my place... :sweat:

[Capn Spanky]

Doom is a pretty well rounded character.

[Mixah]

Storm and Cyclops.

[KillerKai]

Strider: Not a lot of characters one on one have a lot of choices for an animal spam outside of super jumping, which gives strider initiative on the way down.

Storm: has an answer for everything. I'd say she has tough matches against sentinel and cyclops. Even those aren't that bad either.

Cyclops: Only bad matchup i see for him his strider. Everything else he can win easily.

Sentinel: hold back and press fierce

[ZZ_Jaron]

Everyone'z gotta point.
Storm and Mag should be top, I went to my arcade 2day (lotz of proz) and obzerved all the different characters w/o assistz.

Thru my rezearch I discovered Mag and Storm are the best, and taking Demon Dash'z first post in consideration.

Oh, and this list is about,
SINGLE CHARACTER vs AN ENTIRE OR 2 MAN TEAM.

[Mixah]

Everyone'z gotta point.
Storm and Mag should be top, I went to my arcade 2day (lotz of proz) and obzerved all the different characters w/o assistz.

Thru my rezearch I discovered Mag and Storm are the best, and taking Demon Dash'z first post in consideration.

Oh, and this list is about,
SINGLE CHARACTER vs AN ENTIRE OR 2 MAN TEAM.

'z's don't make you cool on this site.

[ZZ_Jaron]

'z's don't make you cool on this site.

Who ever said they had too.
Don't assume I put z's in my posts to sound cool.

If that the case then stop using abbreviations!!!

[Mixah]

Who ever said they had too.
Don't assume I put z's in my posts to sound cool.

If that the case then stop using abbreviations!!!

OK, to better clarify the already blatantly obvious...

REPLACING 'S' WITH 'Z' MAKES YOU SOUND STUPID AND IMMATURE.

[ZZ_Jaron]

using abbreviations sounds stupid,
xx
hsf
MSP

That doesn't sound proffesional either.
People have time to type Aerial Hyper Viper Beam, so whats the deal w/ AHVB.
How can you put some1 down for modding the english language when everybody who speaks english does it.
Now thats stupid and Immature too.

EDIT: If you wish to argue I will ignore it, I don't want this thread deleted for spam.
If you've ever mispelled a word than what you said is hypocritical.

[Mixah]

using abbreviations sounds stupid,
xx
hsf
MSP

That doesn't sound proffesional either.
People have time to type Aerial Hyper Viper Beam, so whats the deal w/ AHVB.
How can you put some1 down for modding the english language when everybody who speaks english does it.
Now thats stupid and Immature too.

Making a coherent sentence with abbreviations is accepted even within a collegiate environment. Modifying the English language with misspellings is, however, not accepted, even in grade school. That should teach you something.

[ZZ_Jaron]

hmm, I was wondering (just took a look at the tier list) would Spiral make it alone?
Although you lack Sent's drones knives can still be useful and can you can setup a semi-trap.
Opinions???

btw, I had Omega in there only because my Omega can survive w/o assist and he's my favorite character.

[elitericerocket]

using abbreviations sounds stupid,
xx
hsf
MSP

That doesn't sound proffesional either.
People have time to type Aerial Hyper Viper Beam, so whats the deal w/ AHVB.
How can you put some1 down for modding the english language when everybody who speaks english does it.
Now thats stupid and Immature too.

EDIT: If you wish to argue I will ignore it, I don't want this thread deleted for spam.
If you've ever mispelled a word than what you said is hypocritical.

Are you serious....

So next time someone writes out a combo it should be:

Crouching Fierce, Magic Series (or properly written as light punch....etc) hyper grav cancel into magnetic tempest.

I think that's quite a bit different from using a 'z' over an 's'.

[shoultzula]

hmm, I was wondering (just took a look at the tier list) would Spiral make it alone?
Although you lack Sent's drones knives can still be useful and can you can setup a semi-trap.
Opinions???

btw, I had Omega in there only because my Omega can survive w/o assist and he's my favorite character.

let me put it to you like this.

if you can block, pratically any character in marvel can do something alone. Now winning solo is only something that a few characters can do.

It really depends on how much life the opponent has left and what team you're up against because in some cases doom or strider could very much win the game. However there are only a selected few that are just too damn dagnerous solo and those are strom\sent\mag and probably cable with meter.

take sent vs msp for example. If he snaps out storm with assist 2 snap and he has meter, he can unblockable mag\psy and then fight storm 1v1. Now its a match. I've seen that particular comeback from JMAR way too many times.

[elitericerocket]

Agreed seems that cable with meter is pretty crazy solo also. Jwong/xecutioner video proves that for sure.

[Deus]

cable with meter sucks just as much as cable without meter

the only time cable can get a clean hit is when you fuck up and do something stupid

don't fuck up and that guy sucks

[ZZ_Jaron]

Are you serious....

So next time someone writes out a combo it should be:

Crouching Fierce, Magic Series (or properly written as light punch....etc) hyper grav cancel into magnetic tempest.

I think that's quite a bit different from using a 'z' over an 's'.

Nah don't listen to me, I just post stupid stuff like that to raise my post count.

Shoultzula: You have a point.
So basicly what you're saying is thaat you need a strategy to even out the playing field.

[KillerKai]

If it's one vs. an entire team, Cable is damn near bottom tier. If Cable is alone against a team, chances are he's losing hard. What the fuck is he going to do if I decide to just keep super jumping back?

[Mixah]

Nah don't listen to me, I just post stupid stuff like that to raise my post count.
And thus, you have gone ahead and proven my previous point.

Shoultzula: You have a point.
So basicly what you're saying is thaat you need a strategy to even out the playing field.

You should win a Nobel Prize in repeating the obvious.

[J360]

regardless of iron mans speed what about his ridiculous comeback factor off of 1 hit?

[Mixah]

Josh.... you make ironman fast as shit... I've seen that... it's crazy.... You're crazy foo!

[SNAKESHOTPEOPLE]

Doom has decent chip, decent mobility, decent rushdown, decent damage potential, decent throws, and decent priority. Very well rounded character. But before I can close the deal on Doom, I'd still have to go with Sentinel. GGPO. Oh yeah and Josh, I got down from the mountain safely, haha.

[ZZ_Jaron]

anybody else besides the ppl I have in the list
wam, how can strider be good on his own, he's low-tier w/o Doom, I'm takin him outta the list

[lilzizzay814816]

mag anyday he would crush storm sent doom and any other

[Mixah]

mag anyday he would crush storm sent doom and any other

eh........ no, not really... storm can spam s.hk's and eliminate magneto's entire rushdown... her j.hk and s.hk literally beat out 90% of magnetos' rush...

[Green]

eh........ no, not really... storm can spam s.hk's and eliminate magneto's entire rushdown... her j.hk and s.hk literally beat out 90% of magnetos' rush...
LOL, try dash s.hp. The hitbox is pretty damn tall on that shit.

[Mixah]

LOL, try dash s.hp. The hitbox is pretty damn tall on that shit.

try block, s.hp... magneto gets comboed for free.
anybody who thinks that magneto > storm solo has never played a storm that even knows half of what she's doing.

[tech master]

it goes vice versa, a missed s.hk from storm can be punished. it really just comes down to who plays smarter. now if we're speaking about solo vs. 2 people, storm wins between the two characters. but my votes for ironman also :D or at least he's worth a mention. i dont know how many times i've seen two vs ironman, ironman gets one hit kill, guard breaks and game over.

j.lk and s.hk > crossups rush down

sj/j.hp = super priority

infinite = superior to all

[RedSilverAnakris]

Anakaris...omega Red

[ZZ_Jaron]

Finally some omega love.
But Omega somewhat sucks, and Anakaris is almost no good.

[Alucard20]

Finally some omega love.
But Omega somewhat sucks, and Anakaris is almost no good.


*LOl*


Truth be told Anakaris is extremely underrated!If u don't believe me just look @ some of KapKom aka Gabe matches.


http://zachd.com/mvc2/



Look @ the top for the videos.

[tech master]

eh, anakaris may be underrated but still not worthy to be considered best solo character. my sabretooth gets down sexier than that ;p

[Alucard20]

eh, anakaris may be underrated but still not worthy to be considered best solo character. my sabretooth gets down sexier than that ;p



Yeah I know.I'm just pointing out he's better then ZZ_Jaron thinks.

[ZZ_Jaron]

alright them vids are ok, but i think he was better in Darkstalkers, this game is a little faster than darkstalkers and they really haven't changed him ever since.

But I'll tell you this, I love his variety assist, possibly my fav assist.

[Jin Cena]

OR won in all of those matches against Anakaris though.

[Alucard20]

alright them vids are ok, but i think he was better in Darkstalkers, this game is a little faster than darkstalkers and they really haven't changed him ever since.

But I'll tell you this, I love his variety assist, possibly my fav assist.


In my opinion Gabe matches are much better then "ok".It shows u what Anakaris
can do and can't do vs god tier.It would be nice to see Gabe @ evo with his Anakaris,because seeing the big 4 all the time is boring.:sweat:

[tech master]

you may think its boring but then if people played all low tiers it would get boring a lot quicker. think about it, the speed, moves, fly, air travel, floating, tri-jumps, infinites, resets, sj cancels, etc means that you're allowed to do more than the low tiers. be able to do less = boring, might as well play cvs2. its just that if you win with a low tier, its fun because you lack the abilities the gods do and still win =]

[Alucard20]

you may think its boring but then if people played all low tiers it would get boring a lot quicker. think about it, the speed, moves, fly, air travel, floating, tri-jumps, infinites, resets, sj cancels, etc means that you're allowed to do more than the low tiers. be able to do less = boring, might as well play cvs2. its just that if you win with a low tier, its fun because you lack the abilities the gods do and still win =]


Im not asking or wanting all low tiers.Trust me, I got some low tier japanese shit and that shit can get boring too.Im just saying, all we every see is the big 4 in tourney play and we need something other then the big4 as point characters.It would be nice to see alot more high level play of Anakaris,Dhalsim,strider and the other characters that we don't usually see @ a tourney.

*LOl*Man I'm off topic here.Well, in my personal opinion I think mag is the best character on his own.:lovin:

[ZZ_Jaron]

Its kinda sad, the fact that the 4 gods beat everybody, and if you don't have 1 in your team, for some reason its like the team sucks.

I like to play low-tiers too, like Omega, Hayato, SM, Wolvie, Gambit.
But I hate the fact that if you put:
Wolvie/Hayato/Gambit vs MSS, MSS will usually win.
Every1 needs a low-tier.

But there are very few high level players of those chars (except for Zaza)
I'd like to see a good Omega, SonSon or Hayato

[rising_player]

Isn't storm a good character on her own? She can fly off screen to build metre and run away almost anywhere right? So if someone can control her really good and build metre and drain life with supers and stuff then wouldn't that be the best character on their own?

I never played storm before so I'm not sure how exactly some of her moves work, but I've seen a lot of people playing storm do run away type of games and win by building up metres and killing people when they screw up on something.

[KING]

ermm.. i dont think cable even with meter would be on top of mag and storm when it comes down to fighting alone.

j-wo did it when he only had cable at one of the texas showdowns...cable comeback ftw. :wink:

[Demon Dash]

Definately Storm I'd say, Sentinel coming a close second.

[Radiant93]

j-wo did it when he only had cable at one of the texas showdowns...cable comeback ftw. :wink:

i can consider that. but hey! it's jwong. omg.
but pretty much if you ask the people around here, you would get the same answer.

[Deathfist]

IMO Storm would become the best in this situation. Random lightning attacks, Hailstorms, etc...

Here's my opinion:
If you have got your entire team pasted save for 1 full life character, and you're staring down a full team with full health as per the original meaning of the thread, then the match is basically over. The 3 can gang up on you using their assists, and simply maintain their original strategy, or lock you at a distance.

In a situation like this, you need a character that can single handedly destroy an entire team. Preferably without meter.

I'd give it to Storm or Magneto. I'd say Storm because she's alittle safer than Magneto and isn't as suicide prone.

Ironman moves up highly because he can use the air infinite, drag you down into the rainbow infinite and start snapping, guardbreaking, and proton cannoning until the match is secured. All you need is 1 careless moment.

Sentinel tends to get overwhelmed when someone is right on top of them attacking all day and waiting for him to simply attack carelessly and eat something. He can however decimate two characters at the same time, but oh well.

Desmond fell asleep at the wheel during his match with Justin Wong's Cable in the losers final of a tournament match, and paid the price much to his chagrin and the delight of the rest of us. He simply proves that Cable is a better one on one character than any of us believes he is.

Oh, and I don't buy that "Yeah, but that's Justin Wong" why he won thing. Sure that's Justin Wong, but if Justin Wong teaches you how to think certain situation through, or you can analyze the situation and figure it out yourself, then you stand to be more likely to replicate the desired outcome you're after. I'm not saying that I'm better or even in the same league as him, I'm just saying that you need to stop the hero worship and start the self improvement worship.

Stop using "Yeah, but that's Justin Wong" as an excuse to lose. It's difficult, almost impossible sometimes, "Even I have some "Yeah, but that's" myself, but you need to at least try. This must be done.

[ImPerfectCell]

Have u all forgot how well guile fights alone? Insane priority and reach, he can keep up with all the top tiers in a one on one. IDK about against storm, but he fights sentinel really well because of his priority. beats everything when u try to jump in on him. in the air, his blade kick has ridiculous reach and theres a player that can almost always hit sentinels with that air super

Also, I would put my ken against anybody. Just cause of the glitch hurricane kick in the air taking so much damage. I play Guile/Ken/Tron as low tier team

btw i think that Justin is a brilliant player, but he really should have lost that match. Desmond was scared and he tried that hailstorm at the end which cost him the match. When u play Justin tho u do get the feeling like he's psychic and u cant hit him. But nobodys psychic. He CAN be beat. *cough*just not by me or any of u low tier players*cough*

[Radiant93]

Oh, and I don't buy that "Yeah, but that's Justin Wong" why he won thing. Sure that's Justin Wong, but if Justin Wong teaches you how to think certain situation through, or you can analyze the situation and figure it out yourself, then you stand to be more likely to replicate the desired outcome you're after. I'm not saying that I'm better or even in the same league as him, I'm just saying that you need to stop the hero worship and start the self improvement worship.

Stop using "Yeah, but that's Justin Wong" as an excuse to lose. It's difficult, almost impossible sometimes, "Even I have some "Yeah, but that's" myself, but you need to at least try. This must be done.

are you hittin' this on me??
because that's not what im trying to say. indeed jwong would have lost that match just that desmond really did try to do hailstorm.

hey if it's an excuse, then be it.
im not doing that kind of worship or some sort to him... sheeesh...

im cool and im done.

[gouki10]

i like sentinel vs anyone 1 on 1

and justin won because desmond played storm wrong, he should've rushed justin, and he shouldn't of done that hailstorm attempt.

that match was a pure example of a player being crushed under pressure.

[tech master]

I play Guile/Ken/Tron as low tier team

ken/tron gets downnnn.. ken hp+tron, roll, hp, c.hp, glitched kicks = very angry opponents

[ImPerfectCell]

ken/tron gets downnnn.. ken hp+tron, roll, hp, c.hp, glitched kicks = very angry opponents

and that roll keeps tron from pushin them back so they eat every hit from her and it combos. and it hurts. 2 of them and ur dead. plus i get that almost garanteed grab once we land. :rofl:

[ZZ_Jaron]

I wanna add a bigger tier list, but i don't have enough info on any characters besides the 1 already in the list.

I wanna make 1 big tier list of say, the top 20 characters w/o assists against a whole team.

[Green]

Why?

[Deathfist]

are you hittin' this on me??
because that's not what im trying to say. indeed jwong would have lost that match just that desmond really did try to do hailstorm.

hey if it's an excuse, then be it.
im not doing that kind of worship or some sort to him... sheeesh...

im cool and im done.

You probably weren't trying to say that, and no I wasn't trying to attack you for that statement per-se, I just see that attitude too much sometimes and it gets a little bit boring.

Side note: War Machine's smart bombs are better than Ironmans, he has missiles [no deterioration in damage over distance. That happens with Ironman's unibeaam], better chip from unibeam missiles [I think], can fire low unibeam missiles. Ironman's a better character because of his team dynamic. Take that away, and War Machine becomes a better character IMO. I'd place him in the same league in this situation. I still think that Storm's the best character when raped down to a single character though.

[ZZ_Jaron]

Why?

Its like having every character's frame data.
It isn't really neccasary, but its there.

So I wanted to come up w/ a group of ppl to help me construct a little tier list of single characters, that can acctually fight a team.
Nothing serious, if anything, I'm not the right person to make this list.
I've only been playing marvel since 2004, so i don't have that much experience.

[Mixup]

the only think keeping war machine down is his normals speed+ priority, namely his standing fk properties. he really loses alot as far as ground to air defense without the properties that ironman has. no real deal proton cannon either. his normals don't create the same blockstun because of his slower frames.

his assist is ridiculous with mag and storm though, better than ironman imo

[ZZ_Jaron]

the only think keeping war machine down is his normals speed+ priority, namely his standing fk properties. he really loses alot as far as ground to air defense without the properties that ironman has. no real deal proton cannon either. his normals don't create the same blockstun because of his slower frames.

his assist is ridiculous with mag and storm though, better than ironman imo

also, WM has more knockback to his attacks, this makes the unfly infinite easier.
WM's proton canon may be too slow, but i use WM's war destroyer more like a DHC into another character.

EDIT: WM's assist grabs, and combos; IM's assist sucks them in behind him.

[J360]

i still iron man could touch you and kill you once and he kills rush down. everyone is afraid to get hit by a random standing roundhouse cause that would mean the death of your whole team if the player doesnt choke it up. WM has an unfair trade of priority with IM. IM starts up his attacks faster but is left open when closing the attack. WM startup is slower but is safer on closing. but once again fly unfly can be used to cancel these normal moves to keep IM safe thus giving him the advantage over WM when it comes to defensive play.

[True Grave]

Jill, magneto, and storm would be my picks. When the rest of the team is killed off, they can still hold their own pretty well.

[Alucard20]

Jill, magneto, and storm would be my picks. When the rest of the team is killed off, they can still hold their own pretty well.



JILL?!?!

O_O

please explain...

[True Grave]

JILL?!?!

O_O

please explain...

Well she is sorta like a pitbull, decent rushdown ability and projectiles to mix things up. Guile might be better but Jill can hold her own if she has too, just my opinion.

[ZZ_Jaron]

whoa, this guy just joined SRK and he already has a Premium account and 1 of those little medals.

How do you get 1 of those.

[beatsofdevil]

magneto is up there, but only if you're good enough with him. to get that one hit and reset and guard break consistently. I've done it a couple of times. you don't neccessarily have to be that good with storm to do it, but your chances are much higher when you are that good. it think storm and magz are equal. doom is pretty good too, cyc also.

[Mixah]

whoa, this guy just joined SRK and he already has a Premium account and 1 of those little medals.

How do you get 1 of those.

you jump in a lake and drown yourself...

nah, only premiums can have them. They represent your post count.

[ZZ_Jaron]

you jump in a lake and drown yourself...

nah, only premiums can have them. They represent your post count.

So that means you must have over 2,000 posts or somethin like that.
EDIT: Does premium also allow you to use more than 5 lines in your signature?
I can't make it over 5

[ImPerfectCell]

Jill is pretty good imo. her launcher has unbelivable priority. not as good as guile's but still really good.

[True Grave]

whoa, this guy just joined SRK and he already has a Premium account and 1 of those little medals.

How do you get 1 of those.

I have been a mere lurker for a while now. Any body can get Premium, newbies like myself as well as long timers, as long as they pay for premium like I did. Not certain but i think even mods have to pay for premium.

As was said earlier the icons represent post count. I think they are kinda neat :wonder:

[Mixup]

jill has ok priority on that launcher, but it's 4 frames so that really helps her out.

[True Grave]

jill has ok priority on that launcher, but it's 4 frames so that really helps her out.

I like how the launcher moves her forward a bit, which is better to get in range. Rather than other launchers where the character is idle.

[Alucard20]

Yeah jill is cool, but she is low tier(maybe mid) and saying that she can't really do anything by herself.

[True Grave]

Yeah jill is cool, but she is low tier(maybe mid) and saying that she can't really do anything by herself.

I would put her at mid-tier. I have seen players kick ass with her by herself. Kinda underrated.

She is like Guile but with a lot more projectiles.

[Higher-Jin]

I'd go with Sentinel. Honorable mention goes to Blackheart, who'd probably be one of the most used to fight storm who's runaway goes from bad to nightmare in this version of the game.

[RedSilverAnakris]

Omega Red owns sentinel 1 v 1.

[ZZ_Jaron]

Omega Red owns sentinel 1 v 1.

Yes, more Omega <3. I wish I could provide some vids to back up your statement.
Its just that, NO1 PLAYS OMEGA RED!!

[J360]

Iron mans standing RH is too gay!

[tech master]

Omega Red owns sentinel 1 v 1.

no he doesnt. i know a couple REALLY good omega red players. the only time omega wins, is when people don't know how he plays.

[J360]

omega gets beamed to death

[Mixup]

Iron mans standing RH is too gay!

i think that it's fucked up that you can fly unfly and do other boshit to make it safe

:wasted: too much priority

[RedSilverAnakris]

omega vs sentinel

Omega has a few perks that allow him to take on sentinel

1. His Carbonadium Smasher: though its a crappy super, it can be used to cancel anything sentinel throws, albeit u time it becasue of its long start up. This thing will cancel: all normal attacks except the beams, Rocket Punch ( and starts the super), Plasma Storm (actually he jsut recovers if he hits the ball, Sentinel cant be hit out if u smash into him in front), one wave of Hyper Sentinel Force, Drones and he will beat out the Hard Drive super.

2. His Coils: These have a little less reach than Rocket Punch, and tru hav a little bad start up time, but any good OMega player will anticipate where sentinel will move and catch him there. And because he is so big, it is easier to cathc him. If u know how to use ur coils, Sent wont be able to punish u with much unless he is on the ground where he will jsut RP xx HSF u (thought the coils I think cancel one wave).

3. Omega Strike: This thing has the best priority. I have hit Sent out of his Plasma Storm super while the ball is there. It beats RP, and its quick attack is good for poking, the only thing that sucks about this is the lag at the end, so its better not to abuse it too much. The only thing it wont beat out i think is the HSF and Beam.

4. the ability to infinitely air dash provided he coils: not as good as Sents fly, but Omega can really overwhelm Sent with airdash xxx coil, repeat. He is allowed almost as much mobility in the air as sentinel.

5. Coil Fury: if you hit Sent while he calls regular Drones, he will actually cancel the drones. try it urself if u dont believe me. This normal attack is as good as the SentFinger.

im sure there are a few more, but i cant remember them now.

Overall, a Sent is still one of the best chars, but I think Omega is one of the few chars that gives Sent a workout.

[Mixup]

most of the advantages you list simply don't work out in real gameplay.

it's not relevant that omega can counter *some of sentinels specials, thats not how a real sentinel will approach the match in the first place.

sent has the ability to counter hit omega pretty damn well from above, omega has little to no ground to air priority in this match-up.

coil gimmicks might land you a little bit of life, but it's a real risk against a competent sentinel.

theres more, but you honestly need to rethink how you should fight vs sentinel

[tech master]

lol at those counters, the only time you can counter those are from random supers. what sent player does random supers? you also say his moves counter alot of sents moves EXCEPT rp's beams and HSF. well uh, if sent lands one of those then you're damn near gonna be dead. omega red is underrated, but still not better than sent.

[RedSilverAnakris]

I know when to give up. I know Sent is better than Omega, I was just trying to say he does have a decent chance to fight him. I have fought decent to very good sent players, they by no means suck, but I have given them a workout wiht Omega vs Sentinel. But its done, key point is Sent is still better than Omega.

[#reload]

strider is a beast 1v1, i don't know why people don't bring him up more. super good priority and can control space very well, and if people try to super jump over animals, that's free orbs to gain momentum

cyke is pretty ridiculous 1v1 also

storm is probably overall the best since she has so many tools... sent gives storm a run for her money though. mag beats sent out. storm beats mags out. it's kinda of like rock paper scizzors if you think about it

anyways, for top tier solo i'd say cykes and storm, after that it'd be strider mag and possibly sent. dhalsim might be considered because of his infinite runaway, the only thing holding him back is his serious lack of damage

realistically speaking though, sent is the best because of random hit which leads to death, unblockable which leads to death, unblockable which leads to win

cable is retarded one on one because people can literally hold upback and win

[tech master]

psylocke is pretty good also

[ZZ_Jaron]

4. the ability to infinitely air dash provided he coils: not as good as Sents fly, but Omega can really overwhelm Sent with airdash xxx coil, repeat. He is allowed almost as much mobility in the air as sentinel.


Whoa, I never knew that lemme test that.

[Mixup]

strider is a beast 1v1, i don't know why people don't bring him up more. super good priority and can control space very well, and if people try to super jump over animals, that's free orbs to gain momentum

cyke is pretty ridiculous 1v1 also

storm is probably overall the best since she has so many tools... sent gives storm a run for her money though. mag beats sent out. storm beats mags out. it's kinda of like rock paper scizzors if you think about it

anyways, for top tier solo i'd say cykes and storm, after that it'd be strider mag and possibly sent. dhalsim might be considered because of his infinite runaway, the only thing holding him back is his serious lack of damage

realistically speaking though, sent is the best because of random hit which leads to death, unblockable which leads to death, unblockable which leads to win

cable is retarded one on one because people can literally hold upback and win

one of the best posts in this thread.

i'd also like to point out, what about dr doom?

especially if he's loaded with meter, that guy is no joke, he only has to do basic guard cancels vs common strings and his payout for that is an easy 35% photon in ya grill.

he still gets smoked by the neeter and storm, but 1 vs 1 against other characters he's fairly well equipped.

this topic is almost silly though, it's obvious who's good 1 vs 1, that perception doesn't take that long to be developed , it's easy to read scenarios when there isn't that much going on.

1 vs a duo is more useful for each player to know about.

magneto is still good in this scenario because of the power of his snap-out and his bombtastic guard breaks

storms real strengths are highlighted when it's somone trying to hit her with their aaa and it leaves the screen half dead. she can fight it out with priority, she can play footsies on the strength of her normals/range, she can counter from anywhere on the screen with her strike/super, she can also handle scenarios where the opponents helpers are involved. That added layer changes everything, not only does that change the way people attack and approach her, they have to also play a dual mindgame to protect their helper and that opens up the usage of storms priority.

she's so much better than everyone else that it's sad, but imo magneto is 2nd best right behind her, he has a downgraded version of everything she has with a little more risk attached to everything.

[#reload]

one of the best posts in this thread.

i'd also like to point out, what about dr doom?

especially if he's loaded with meter, that guy is no joke, he only has to do basic guard cancels vs common strings and his payout for that is an easy 35% photon in ya grill.

he still gets smoked by the neeter and storm, but 1 vs 1 against other characters he's fairly well equipped.

doom is surprizingly good solo but he's more or less forced to turtle the whole match because his rushdown is nothing special. doom with 2 meters in the corner is GGPO if you land a c.hp

[J360]

one of the best posts in this thread.

i'd also like to point out, what about dr doom?

especially if he's loaded with meter, that guy is no joke, he only has to do basic guard cancels vs common strings and his payout for that is an easy 35% photon in ya grill.

he still gets smoked by the neeter and storm, but 1 vs 1 against other characters he's fairly well equipped.

this topic is almost silly though, it's obvious who's good 1 vs 1, that perception doesn't take that long to be developed , it's easy to read scenarios when there isn't that much going on.

1 vs a duo is more useful for each player to know about.

magneto is still good in this scenario because of the power of his snap-out and his bombtastic guard breaks

storms real strengths are highlighted when it's somone trying to hit her with their aaa and it leaves the screen half dead. she can fight it out with priority, she can play footsies on the strength of her normals/range, she can counter from anywhere on the screen with her strike/super, she can also handle scenarios where the opponents helpers are involved. That added layer changes everything, not only does that change the way people attack and approach her, they have to also play a dual mindgame to protect their helper and that opens up the usage of storms priority.

she's so much better than everyone else that it's sad, but imo magneto is 2nd best right behind her, he has a downgraded version of everything she has with a little more risk attached to everything.


i agree that storm is by far the best and she is pretty unfair seeing as how she has more options against duos than any character. but i also have to add in that magneto is pretty damn cheap no matter how many characters you have.

magnus double snap game is retarted, he has easy bake oven infinites into death, But most of all since he is more of a risk taker than storm he has a rediculous random comeback factor.

IMO a random magnus with good execution can kill off of one touch, now im not saying hes better than storm, im just saying that i think he has a better comeback factor than a storm even though she has more options than he does, his are potentially fatal instead of chipping someone away repeatedly with typhoonxxhail. Almost anyone can make a comeback with magnus but making a storm comeback is pretty tuff against lets say sent/cap.

It takes more skill and knowledge of storm to comeback seeing as how her running gives you time to think.

Those are just my thoughts. i still think iron man and his damn standing roundhouse is cheap as fuck.

[Mixup]

I completely agree, in tourney matches, i dun sweat if i'm down to just magneto and my opponent has a whole team.

i run around and avoid shit and make one hit count. thats all he needs to win. i think against some duos storm would be better and magneto could handle other duos much more efficiently because he'll only need a single touch to handle both characters. cable/aaa pops into my mind, much easier for mag because he can snap cap and finish him and gb cable easy like. even if he fucks up the gb it's still pretty free. he is a monster.

[shoultzula]

how good is magnus when you can hit the start button :rofl:

[Mixup]

how good is magnus when you can hit the start button :rofl:

he's pretty good when he goose eggz that naggum even when he's a DAMN CHEATER:arazz:

[J360]

i think iron man is godlike with start button properties lol. i actually have people randomly press start sometimes to be stupid and i never mess up his inf its too pre-school.

[TrueSephiroth]

So it seems so far everyone has mostly agreed that it's

1. Storm
2. Magneto

That's pretty much all I can tell so far, other characters like Strider, Sent, IronMan, Cyclops can all be pretty much debated I'm assuming. I myself agree that if it's 1 vs 1, this shouldn't even be a debate that Storm and Mags are the 1 and 2 spot.

I like Mag's odds even when he's 1 vs 2, random factor is just too huge, and he has too good of a comeback factor when compared to Storm. Although overall Storm would still be better just because she's more safe, runaway game, building meter, but Mags comebackfactor>Storm's though.

People should make out a Top 5 characters in a 1vs1 list or something, then we could really get something going about who's the top 5 1 vs 1 or whatever. Imo, it would be interesting to read about it.

[beatsofdevil]

Finally some omega love.
But Omega somewhat sucks, and Anakaris is almost no good.you'd be surprised what anakaris can do when it's down to the last characters....the keep away, magic hands (whatever they're called), instant overhead, and air combo super can equal death if you're not careful