Global Warming... Is it real?

[marn]

Is it real? Are we dead in 50 years? Is the movie An Inconvenient Truth real or a lie? Should I start packing my bags for Mars?

[P. Gorath]

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[DeathScythe]

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[chaoscntrl77]

Reading Michael Crichton's book State of Fear, changed my view towards global warming. There are some great details in the novel that support the fact that global warming is only a theory. I can't pick out any details or statistics straight out of my head, but I remember those facts to be pretty shocking to me.

[catchafire]

And instead of worrying about THE ENVIRONMENT and GLOBAL WARMING we're busy worrying about Iraq and war. Who cares about the end result if we're living under water? Why don't people understand this? Enough about Iraq and lets do something to combat Global Warming.


Even though the above rant sounds stupid (because it has been stigmatized by politicians that GW doesn't exist), we can't deny this shit. It's fucking 60 degrees here in Jersey.

[Return of Shiki]

Well, El Nino is back again this year, so a lot of people might misinterpret it as a sign of global warming...

[chaoscntrl77]

And instead of worrying about THE ENVIRONMENT and GLOBAL WARMING we're busy worrying about Iraq and war. Who cares about the end result if we're living under water? Why don't people understand this? Enough about Iraq and lets do something to combat Global Warming.


Even though the above rant sounds stupid (because it has been stigmatized by politicians that GW doesn't exist), we can't deny this shit. It's fucking 60 degrees here in Jersey.

I agree with you there. Whether or not global warming is real, we should do something about it. It's way better to be safe than sorry.

[Night]

It's already passed December and when I hit the slopes... even though the night before it got 2 feet of snow it STILL wasn't enough really. It was a good day, but still just not enough snow...

[Sacr3D]

And instead of worrying about THE ENVIRONMENT and GLOBAL WARMING we're busy worrying about Iraq and war. Who cares about the end result if we're living under water? Why don't people understand this? Enough about Iraq and lets do something to combat Global Warming.


Even though the above rant sounds stupid (because it has been stigmatized by politicians that GW doesn't exist), we can't deny this shit. It's fucking 60 degrees here in Jersey.

Keep dreaming we've been going in wars since the begining of time not even a major disaster will stop dumb fucks from blowing each other up.

And theres USA who is one of the largest emitter of greenhouse gases that isnt agreeying with the Kyoto protocol.

[Random_Hero]

This fucked up weather is just from el nino people. Hasn't chris farley taught you guys anything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibo40FQjG40

[Hunter D]

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[angryliberal]

hunter beat me to it...

[fishjie]

Reading Michael Crichton's book State of Fear, changed my view towards global warming. There are some great details in the novel that support the fact that global warming is only a theory. I can't pick out any details or statistics straight out of my head, but I remember those facts to be pretty shocking to me.

that book is a work of fiction. just like jurassic park. dinosaurs dont roam the earth again. just like there is no scientist who isnt working for george bush that thinks global warming is made up. there aren't any bad guys out there trying to blow up glaciers in order to convince ppl its real - its gonna happen.

[Darkstalkers4]

Is it real? Are we dead in 50 years? Is the movie An Inconvenient Truth real or a lie? Should I start packing my bags for Mars?

In a word, no.

There is some cyclical climate change caused by th SUN.

As far as man changing global temperatures, absolutely outrageously ridiculous. Climatologists (scientist who ACTUALLY study climate) signed a petition (about 90% of them in fact, it's a small field) against all of this nonsesnse and propaganda and doom and gloom with no scientific proof, junk science.

A little note for you young people, in the 70's a lot of the same radicals were predicting the "coming ice age" same hysteria, same folks, all politics, no science.

[Crayz Penguin]

i saw a documentary on something called global dimming which is countering global warming (no joke). if people have heard about this/done research plz post.

[angryliberal]

darkstalkers4 is my new favorite srk member.

[coffeerox]

i saw a documentary on something called global dimming which is countering global warming (no joke). if people have heard about this/done research plz post.

this is true. Saw a video through shoutwire a ways back.

[Grimm_Demize]

I have to look no further than my own backyard for fucked up weather. Windstorms that put the Northwest out of power for weeks, snow, then random days of warmth and sunlight.

El Nino, Global Warming, whatever the hell it is, it certainly is unusual, and it is real.

[arcticninja]

there's already a thread about this. I'm not going to reiterate all my points.

[hubcapsignstop]

..just like there is no scientist who isnt working for george bush that thinks global warming is made up...
the arguement isnt whether global warming is real or not, it is about whether or not man is causing it
and plenty of scientists are unconvinced that man has anything to do with it

[Darkstalkers4]

the arguement isnt whether global warming is real or not, it is about whether or not man is causing it
and plenty of scientists are unconvinced that man has anything to do with it

You're right, that is the real argument, although liberals don't want to argue it at all, they just want THEIR guess that MANKIND is the culprint to believed because it fits their politcal agenda.

Any time the world wants to dispose of us we will be shaken off the planet with the ease of a dog flicking a fly off of his ass. We have no control over the universe. Co2 emissions are not going to destroy the planet. Our "environment" is 100 times better than it was at the height of the industrial revolution, but "good news" isn't nearly as sexy as scare mongering, doom and gloom, etc. It doesn't sell newspapers, magazines, ratings, etc.

Leftists never want to celebrate the progress mankind or the US has made, they only live to belittle it and destroy it. Would you all like to drive little electric hybrids and live in little solar powered huts? Leftists don't they drive around in limousines and fly in private jets talking about all this junk science and doom and gloom.

Watch Penn & Tellers Bullshit! on Showtime, the one on the environmentalists was outrageously funny.

[angryliberal]

Leftists never want to celebrate the progress mankind or the US has made, they only live to belittle it and destroy it. Would you all like to drive little electric hybrids and live in little solar powered huts? Leftists don't they drive around in limousines and fly in private jets talking about all this junk science and doom and gloom.

man, i missed that leftist meeting where they handed out all the limos and private jets. i also missed the meeting where lumping everyone under a single banner and judging them by that label was considered a good thing. do you even go back and read what you say?

[MegamanDS]

one of my chem teachers said no, its not real. nothing significant will happen for thousands of years. He said the themperature average rise is 1 degree a year so its not a big deal.

my 2nd chem teacher made us watch inconvient truth and she is hard core, environmental teacher. She believes it hard core that we are too late to do anything big but we can still make small changes.

[Debaser]

man, i missed that leftist meeting where they handed out all the limos and private jets.

Leftists: ALL YOUR LIMO ARE BELONG TO US.

[hubcapsignstop]

You're right, that is the real argument, although liberals don't want to argue it at all, they just want THEIR guess that MANKIND is the culprint to believed because it fits their politcal agenda.

Any time the world wants to dispose of us we will be shaken off the planet with the ease of a dog flicking a fly off of his ass. We have no control over the universe. Co2 emissions are not going to destroy the planet. Our "environment" is 100 times better than it was at the height of the industrial revolution, but "good news" isn't nearly as sexy as scare mongering, doom and gloom, etc. It doesn't sell newspapers, magazines, ratings, etc.

Leftists never want to celebrate the progress mankind or the US has made, they only live to belittle it and destroy it. Would you all like to drive little electric hybrids and live in little solar powered huts? Leftists don't they drive around in limousines and fly in private jets talking about all this junk science and doom and gloom.

Watch Penn & Tellers Bullshit! on Showtime, the one on the environmentalists was outrageously funny.

in all honesty though it is probably better to be safe than sorry
the earth is storing all tht carbon underground for a reason (i presume), so maybe trying to limit the throwing of it all back up in the atmosphere isnt the worst idea
plus the idea of becoming less dependant on oil would sound good to anybody this day and age

however the worst part of this whole issue is that it has become a polarizing political issue where politicians are using it as apolitical tool using half truths, biased arguements, etc...(both sides) in furthering their respective agendas, and the significant amount of liberals/conservatives that seem to have been persueded to adopt their position on the problem based on their political affiliation

[Chachi]

Nah, we're just mashing hail storm too much.

[angryliberal]

however the worst part of this whole issue is that it has become a polarizing political issue where a significant amount of liberals/conservatives seem to have persueded to adopt their political party's position on the problem

i agree with this post. like gay marraige, immigration, the war, and all the other distractions, these things have become more important than they really are. i do think both sides use too much rhetoric when talking about these issues.

i am a liberal(wtf?!?!?!) and a hippy(holy shit!), so i do think we exploit nature too much. not only the whole global warming thing, but the amount of waste we produce and the pollutants we put into the earth and water. why is it a bad idea to move away from oil dependency? why is it a bad idea to reduce the number of pollutants we produce or the waste we produce? i can't understand the reasoning, it may not be as "apocalyptic" as some liberals would believe, or it may be. i think the important issue is that politicians use these issues to divide us when finding a middle ground would be beneficial for everyone. plus, look at who supports the whole "there is no global warming" agenda. a simple rule of thumb...follow the money...

[fishjie]

here's the deal. the greenhouse effect is real. nobody debates this. in fact, without the greenhouse effect, we'd all be dead. earth would be too cold to live on. the question is, how many greenhouse gases are in the air right now, and how many are there because of humans?

most scientific models run by actual scientists, not bush scientists, show that humans contribute an enormous amount of greenhouse gasses.

now, the end result is that the AVERAGE temperature only rises a measly 1 to 2 degrees. this may not seem like much, but keep in mind this is the average. The extremes however, become much more extreme. the proportion which the extreme climate changes occur with respect to the average temperature is not linear.

really i'd say its not an issue for our generation. our kids will be screwed, but fuck em who cares? ill be dead by then.

anyway my dad has a phd in oceanagraphy so i'd say he and his colleagues are not liberals out on a mission................ and yes........ oceanagraphy has everything to do with climate. i shouldnt really have to explain why.

[DaDesiCanadian]

Fishjie, you missed the point of Jurassic Park. It wasn't "dinosaurs pwnz us and will rules one day", it was more "nature will always find a way no matter what the obstacle; that messing with nature is usually a bad idea, and that it is impossible to simulate millions of years of genetic information." Much like Timeline wasn't really about how we're going to travel through time one day, but more of how historians usually have a condescending and innacurate view of history, which is true most of the time.
Give Crichton more respect, his books are all grounded in tons of research. State Of Fear is a must read, if An Inconvenient Truth is a must watch.

[Hwoarvang]

Minnesota has only received one snow day this whole season and it cleared up within a day or two. Yeap, something is definitely screwed up.

[Ephidel]

uh, yeah there was a thread on this already but whatever...

yes I think it's real.

[archetype]

I did a report on global warming but I don't remember all the details. But there is a lot of interesting evidence on both sides. A suprising amount of the evidence points to natural warming. Regardless if its natural or man made we have to work harder on limiting the pollution and waste we create. Capping carbon dioxide emissions causes problems too...

and ya fishjie the ocean does deal a lot with climate. I just hope the tons of carbon dioxide and methane gas trapped under the ocean doesn't one day escape and screw everything up

[Captain Ryu]

Eveyone turn on your AC! We can counter it with global cooling.

[P. Gorath]

he is just some 16 yr old who has listed to too much rush and hannity, anglib, theres no point

[Darkstalkers4]

I did a report on global warming but I don't remember all the details. But there is a lot of interesting evidence on both sides. A suprising amount of the evidence points to natural warming. Regardless if its natural or man made we have to work harder on limiting the pollution and waste we create. Capping carbon dioxide emissions causes problems too...

and ya fishjie the ocean does deal a lot with climate. I just hope the tons of carbon dioxide and methane gas trapped under the ocean doesn't one day escape and screw everything up

In the past 10 years we have had some unusually COLD weather also, remember? As far as our limiting pollution, we are in 100 times better shape with that stuff than we were 70-100 years ago. Technology has done amazing things and should be embraced and congratulated instead of focusing on just the negative. We used to spew smokestacks everywhere. We HAVE cleaned up just about everything, but it's never enough for the doom and gloom crowd.

Tracking global climates is not an exact science, as best we can tell there were large fluctuations in the climate MANY, MANY, MANY times before man shuffled on to this mortal coil. Mans impact on the climate is a teardrop in the ocean. The real fears and disasters are mother nature herself, landslides causing tsunamis, asteroids, volcanoes, and a myriad of other things we can't control.

The Kyoto protocol is a hysterical piece of legislation that if ever enacted would put huge strains on the economy, no matter who you are you should be opposed to this law, it is draconian.

It is the height of arrogance to think that we have an impact on the climate, if the sun starts burning 1000 times more powerful than it is now it won't be because of mankind and there will be nothing we can do about it, we are at the whim of nature, not controlling it.

Most living things have been wiped out before in the history of planet earth, and it will likely happen again, it may be in 10 years, 10 thousand years or a million years from now and it WILL NOT be from us driving cars, cows farting or an intellectual midget like Al Gore speaking.

The good news is there is NOTHING to worry about that we can control and the things we can't control can wipe us off the face of the earth in the blink of an eye. As far as the hysteria of hurricane season, if you look at the data we have had one of the MILDEST hurricane seasons, but everytime there's a hurricane, oh my god it's global warming. Be happy you live in the greatest country in the history of civilization while it's still here. God bless you, and God Bless America.

[catchafire]

You're right, that is the real argument, although liberals don't want to argue it at all, they just want THEIR guess that MANKIND is the culprint to believed because it fits their politcal agenda.

Any time the world wants to dispose of us we will be shaken off the planet with the ease of a dog flicking a fly off of his ass. We have no control over the universe. Co2 emissions are not going to destroy the planet. Our "environment" is 100 times better than it was at the height of the industrial revolution, but "good news" isn't nearly as sexy as scare mongering, doom and gloom, etc. It doesn't sell newspapers, magazines, ratings, etc.

Leftists never want to celebrate the progress mankind or the US has made, they only live to belittle it and destroy it. Would you all like to drive little electric hybrids and live in little solar powered huts? Leftists don't they drive around in limousines and fly in private jets talking about all this junk science and doom and gloom.

Watch Penn & Tellers Bullshit! on Showtime, the one on the environmentalists was outrageously funny.

Only a fool like you would make this into a democrat vs republican argument. Take a shot of cum.

[white shadow]

Watch Penn & Tellers Bullshit! on Showtime, the one on the environmentalists was outrageously funny.

I watched that episode before and it didn't dismiss global warming, only showed the exaggerated view some environmentalists (I don't even think all of them were genuine scientists) were when it came to certain supposedly "environmental hazardous" domestic/individual actions.

[Rioting Soul]

In the past 10 years we have had some unusually COLD weather also, remember? As far as our limiting pollution, we are in 100 times better shape with that stuff than we were 70-100 years ago. Technology has done amazing things and should be embraced and congratulated instead of focusing on just the negative. We used to spew smokestacks everywhere. We HAVE cleaned up just about everything, but it's never enough for the doom and gloom crowd.

Tracking global climates is not an exact science, as best we can tell there were large fluctuations in the climate MANY, MANY, MANY times before man shuffled on to this mortal coil. Mans impact on the climate is a teardrop in the ocean. The real fears and disasters are mother nature herself, landslides causing tsunamis, asteroids, volcanoes, and a myriad of other things we can't control.

The Kyoto protocol is a hysterical piece of legislation that if ever enacted would put huge strains on the economy, no matter who you are you should be opposed to this law, it is draconian.

It is the height of arrogance to think that we have an impact on the climate, if the sun starts burning 1000 times more powerful than it is now it won't be because of mankind and there will be nothing we can do about it, we are at the whim of nature, not controlling it.

Most living things have been wiped out before in the history of planet earth, and it will likely happen again, it may be in 10 years, 10 thousand years or a million years from now and it WILL NOT be from us driving cars, cows farting or an intellectual midget like Al Gore speaking.

The good news is there is NOTHING to worry about that we can control and the things we can't control can wipe us off the face of the earth in the blink of an eye. As far as the hysteria of hurricane season, if you look at the data we have had one of the MILDEST hurricane seasons, but everytime there's a hurricane, oh my god it's global warming. Be happy you live in the greatest country in the history of civilization while it's still here. God bless you, and God Bless America.

I didn't know there were so many kinds of idiot.

[thurst]

It's fucking 60 degrees here in Jersey.

exactly, it's only been below 20 once so far and still no snow....major problem imo

[DAWOLF57]

Global warming is real, the effects it will have on this planet say 50 years from now are the theory.

[Sacr3D]

I didn't know there were so many kinds of idiot.

Don't be surprised.

[Debaser]

It is the height of arrogance to think that we have an impact on the climate, if the sun starts burning 1000 times more powerful than it is now it won't be because of mankind and there will be nothing we can do about it, we are at the whim of nature, not controlling it.

How is it arrogant to admit that we have fucked up? I don't know about you, but knowing that the waste I produce is destroying the environment, well that doesn't exactly stroke my ego. Your sun analogy is way too exaggerated. All it takes is a nudge to set off something wrong in our atmosphere. It's a snowball effect. When there's there's a giant fucking hole in the ozone over the Antarctic, I'd say that snowball's gotten pretty big.

[HeaT]

i saw a documentary on something called global dimming which is countering global warming (no joke). if people have heard about this/done research plz post.

ya but global dimming basically says that weve reached the point in global warming where we cannot turn back so that is why it is good (dimming that is)...

im outi

Roberth