Is Batman Really Crazy?

[ReggieHadoken]

Now if you witnessed your parents beeing gunned down right in front of you, that would no doubt seriously screw with your head. I don't think Batman is really imballanced or anything. He's just obsessive when it comes to his work. He uses all sorts of methods to make criminals fear him. And I have made respect for Bats for that. I mean, the dude is only human, yet criminals pee their pants when he's around.

So thoughts on Batman and how he opperates?

[Ephidel]

I don't think he's crazy, the people he fights are crazy.

After all, he is only human.

[SRKev]

It's plain and simple, Batman doesn't want what happened to him to happen to anyone else. But, he doesn't just go around killing people, he takes them down the right way and turns them over to the authorities. A true hero indeed.

[lonewolf6465]

He isn't crazy, he's prepared for anything and trusts no one.

[thurst]

All great men are a little crazy.

[Rage02fire]

Well think about how the effects of having your parents shot right in front of you at the age of 9 would affect you later on in your life???


YES the man's a wacko but he's not no punisher, he does have morals some of his though are fucked up imo.

They really make him LOOK crazy in AS batman by having him force robbin into eating like he's a rat.:rofl:

That's Frank Miller's view of batman though but way back in the 70's AKA Pre-Miller days he was really a laid back guy.

Now with the Dark knight Miller shit he's been going more and more into the nuthouse land.

[aku]

Not crazy but rather just VERY obsessive.

[Ducky]

Well think about how the effects of having your parents shot right in front of you at the age of 9 would affect you later on in your life???


YES the man's a wacko but he's not no punisher, he does have morals some of his though are fucked imo.

Punisher has his own morals too... like he doesn't kill cops or civilians, nothing with women or children either.

Batman operates differently though.

[coffeerox]

But, he doesn't just go around killing people, he takes them down the right way and turns them over to the authorities.

But in doing so the criminals that escape at will (such as Joker) continue killing more people. Its said that Joker can go in/out Arkham whenever he wants. He always get s the insanity judgement because of his lawyers. I heard that hes once killed 2000+ people in one of his sprees and gased a kindergarden class. If Batman just kills him everytime he catches him all of that wouldn't continue to happen.

[Rage02fire]

Punisher has his own morals too... like he doesn't kill cops or civilians, nothing with women or children either.

Batman operates differently though.

Ducky trust me Punisher will kill cops if they're Dirty.:rofl:

[Ducky]

Ducky trust me Punisher will kill cops if they're Dirty.:rofl:

Of course, but at that point they become criminals - he doesn't just kill cops for the fuck of it, he goes out of his way not to hurt them usually.

[Return of Shiki]

Punisher has his own morals too... like he doesn't kill cops or civilians, nothing with women or children either.


In the mid-90's Spiderman cartoon (of all things), Punishers surprises a bunch of robbers hiding out in a warehouse and it is then assumed that he kills them. And one of the robbers was a woman.

[ViciousSLASH]

Of course Batman is crazy.

He has to be.

[Rage02fire]

In the mid-90's Spiderman cartoon (of all things), Punishers surprises a bunch of robbers hiding out in a warehouse and it is then assumed that he kills them. And one of the robbers was a woman.

Ya I remember that but that wasn't as classic as in Ultimate Spiderman Annual 2 where he SniperAced that bitch Captian Jean De Wolfe.:rofl:

As for the women killing....It depends who though really.

I love how in the movie he had John Travolta's character kill his own wife just because Punisher had him truly belived the bitch was cheatin on him lol.

[SRKev]

But in doing so the criminals that escape at will (such as Joker) continue killing more people. Its said that Joker can go in/out Arkham whenever he wants. He always get s the insanity judgement because of his lawyers. I heard that hes once killed 2000+ people in one of his sprees and gased a kindergarden class. If Batman just kills him everytime he catches him all of that wouldn't continue to happen.

But if Batman ever killed Joker he would commit what he's sworn to protect against, murder.

[Ducky]

In the mid-90's Spiderman cartoon (of all things), Punishers surprises a bunch of robbers hiding out in a warehouse and it is then assumed that he kills them. And one of the robbers was a woman.

I was more referring to innocent women and children... he'll rough up and slap around random guys all the time but doesn't really rough up and slap around random women. A little off topic, but I think it's pretty funny how the Punisher goes to hookers for information. Just a random thought.

[ReggieHadoken]

Truth be told, I much prefer Batman as an obsessive, hard-on criminals type of crime fighter than the campy, laid back type he was back in the day. Bats is far more interesting that way. He may be obsessive but he's vowed never to kill, and that includes those that more than deserve death like The Joker.

Speaking of Joker, he can get in and out of Arkham whenever he wants? No wonder he's always giving Bats a hard time.

[axeman61]

But if Batman ever killed Joker he would commit what he's sworn to protect against, murder.

Better than letting so many innocents die on a "law will take care of it" system that's failed so much with the Joker.

Is he sworn to protect against permanent paralysis? I'm sure he knows a method of harm which will make the Joker a para or quadraplegic.

[Razor]

All great men are a little crazy.

quoted for truth.

[DropKick Murphy]

Better than letting so many innocents die on a "law will take care of it" system that's failed so much with the Joker.

Is he sworn to protect against permanent paralysis? I'm sure he knows a method of harm which will make the Joker a para or quadraplegic.

he should do that shit. joker really cant be a problem if he is only a moving head.

[Debaser]

Better than letting so many innocents die on a "law will take care of it" system that's failed so much with the Joker.

Is he sworn to protect against permanent paralysis? I'm sure he knows a method of harm which will make the Joker a para or quadraplegic.

It' moral absolutism and understandably it's hard to understand why Bats wouldn't kill the Joker to save lives. But that's just part of the character and I don't think they should change it.

[Rhio2k]

But in doing so the criminals that escape at will (such as Joker) continue killing more people. Its said that Joker can go in/out Arkham whenever he wants. He always get s the insanity judgement because of his lawyers. I heard that hes once killed 2000+ people in one of his sprees and gased a kindergarden class. If Batman just kills him everytime he catches him all of that wouldn't continue to happen.

Heh (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/Im50.jpg)...

[Dasrik]

Yeah, because it's perfectly sane to wear a bat suit and jump across buildings.

[Carpet Lint]

Batman is fucking crazy, of that there is no debate. He has to be.

Craziness exhibit A-Z: Wonder Woman broke up with him because he kept standing her up for dates because he was too busy fighting crime.

That's messed up.

[maxx]

Batman is fucking crazy, of that there is no debate. He has to be.

Craziness exhibit A-Z: Wonder Woman broke up with him because he kept standing her up for dates because he was too busy fighting crime.

That's messed up.

haha or in hush when he thought catwoman was in on the whole crime angle and broke up wit her....

he's not crazy....he just has commitment issues.

[Vic Viper]

Punisher has his own morals too... like he doesn't kill cops or civilians, nothing with women or children either.

Didn't Punisher kill a female crime boss in the "Welcome Back Frank" arc? But he does non fatally torcher other superheroes that gets in his way:

-Shotgunned Wolverine's face, exposing his skull.
-Tries to make Daredevil kill him.
-Uses Spiderman as a shield.
-Feeds Hulk plastic explosives.

Also like the one where Elektra beats Punisher to his kills.

[RockBogart]

Yo vic what part of richmond u from?

[Weeks]

All great men are a little crazy.

this is the truth. it usually takes a slightly obsessive personality to achieve true greatness

[DeathScythe]

Batman fucked Wonder Woman. That's crazy enough.

[PimpC]

All great men are a little crazy.

exactly, so yes that fucker is crazy...

[thraaaaa]

i think he does what he does to not go crazy

[DeathScythe]

i think he does what he does to not go crazy


Actually, he has Robin, Alfred and Nightwing around for the sake of not going crazy. If he were to be alone, that's when he would go, for the lack of a better term, batty. Just imagine: his paranoia coupled with loneliness.

[orochizoolander]

Yes he's overly obsessive about his "work" and paranoid as fuck but does that man he's crazy? wel that combined with how he manages to lead a double life the way he does sugguests that yeah he is a little crazy but it's all to further his success after all he is the best as at what he does no doubt about that.


BTW IT HAS TO BE SAID: READ ARKHAM ASYLUM!!!!!!!

[thraaaaa]

Actually, he has Robin, Alfred and Nightwing around for the sake of not going crazy. If he were to be alone, that's when he would go, for the lack of a better term, batty. Just imagine: his paranoia coupled with loneliness.

good point

[maxx]

Actually, he has Robin, Alfred and Nightwing around for the sake of not going crazy. If he were to be alone, that's when he would go, for the lack of a better term, batty. Just imagine: his paranoia coupled with loneliness.

its more time drake, because tim before he bacame robin realized batman needed robin, he needed his balance..hence why he searched out for batman.

[Taskmaster]

I like the harder, obsessive Batman better then the campy one, it's just sad that the one that made him popular is fucking him up at the moment (Miller).

And Punisher will killanyone that's criminal except children. He threw a woman slave driver out of 20 story building in the MAX series. He shotgunned a middle aged woman running a child prostitution business, after killing her son in front of her, his argument being "fuck it".

[Carpet Lint]

...
Is that a clip from Taskmaster #3? I'm not sure and it's bugging the hell out of me. The next panel he like back flips over the counter and shoots like five guys that are in his house, right?

[Taskmaster]

Is that a clip from Taskmaster #3? I'm not sure and it's bugging the hell out of me. The next panel he like back flips over the counter and shoots like five guys that are in his house, right?

It's from issue 2, where the crooked cops ambush him in the diner. It's page one or two

[Super Warrior]

Not crazy but rather just VERY obsessive.

*Batman enters thread*


Batman: "Obsessive is just a word the LAZY, use to describe the DEDICATED. Yeah, let me know when YOU catch your first criminal and we'll talk. Pffft"


*Batman fires hook to the top of SRK ceiling and swings away*

[Taito]

I haven't read the regular Batman comics in about a decade, but the issues I last read had Bats going in and out of Arkham and prison, either as a cover or for a real crime (The Last Arkham and the Batman annual for Armageddon 2001.. yeah, a long time ago).

I always liked and preferred that he's one lapse of judgement and moral conviction from being no different than Gotham's rogues gallery of crazy-ass villains. Joker being Batman's prime arch-nemesis just isn't as interesting if Batman isn't portrayed as bordering on insane himself.

[Ducky]

And Punisher will killanyone that's criminal except children. He threw a woman slave driver out of 20 story building in the MAX series. He shotgunned a middle aged woman running a child prostitution business, after killing her son in front of her, his argument being "fuck it".

I liked the slavers arc a lot - it was pretty fucked when the Punisher pulled out the intestines of the husband of that slave driver. The MAX series is awesome.

[Taskmaster]

I liked the slavers arc a lot - it was pretty fucked when the Punisher pulled out the intestines of the husband of that slave driver. The MAX series is awesome.

The Slavers and Up IS Down, Black Is White were great. A damn good year for the Punisher. Most od Punisher MAX is garbage IMO, the ongoing series at least.

It's violent for the sake of being violent. Punisher goes to Afghanistan is about as bad as Batman Vs Al Qaueda would be. Oh wait....

[white shadow]

I loved the Batman/Punisher crossover where Punisher tell Batman about the bullshit he constantly puuls with Joker. When I read that I was like, "Finally!!!!:pray: Somebody in the comics said it!!!":annoy:

[ReggieHadoken]

Yes, the citizens in Gotham would be worlds better off without Joker. But really, would we like it if he were dead and stayed dead?

Wait, Batman and Wonder Woman were dating in the comics? So that isn't just something that happend in JL/JLU? Uh, would Diana be able to controller herself when they are doing it? Like, hold her insane strength back? I mean, she could accidentally rip his arms off during the sex. :rofl:

[Rhio2k]

There's no denying he's at least a sociopath.

[Debaser]

Yes, the citizens in Gotham would be worlds better off without Joker. But really, would we like it if he were dead and stayed dead?

Wait, Batman and Wonder Woman were dating in the comics? So that isn't just something that happend in JL/JLU? Uh, would Diana be able to controller herself when they are doing it? Like, hold her insane strength back? I mean, she could accidentally rip his arms off during the sex. :rofl:

I'M CUMMMMIINNN-AAAAAAGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[Thongboy Bebop]

Her vaginal contractions could crush his junk with the quickness.

N

[kindaichi]

I like the harder, obsessive Batman better then the campy one, it's just sad that the one that made him popular is fucking him at the moment (Miller).


can you elaborate on that? I am intersted in what you meant by "fucking him at the moment"

going back to the thread...Christian Bale in Batman Begins said it well "Well...a man dresses up as a bat clearly has issues..." Clearly!

but I love him anyhow

[Taskmaster]

can you elaborate on that? I am intersted in what you meant by "fucking him at the moment"

going back to the thread...Christian Bale in Batman Begins said it well "Well...a man dresses up as a bat clearly has issues..." Clearly!

but I love him anyhow

I meant fucking him up as a character, and releasing bad comics about him.

Miller established his Batman In The Dark Knight Returns wich was great.

He released a horrible sequel, DKR2, and is now busy with All Star Batman. In this series, 3 issues were spent in the Batmobile, Batman told Dick Grayson, hours after his parents been killed before his eyes to eat rats if he wanted food, called him a retard and drugged him. He also manhandles Alfred, the series next issue has been delayed for over a year (but that's probably Jim Lee's fault).

So far, Batman has accomplished the following in 4 issues: kidnapping and further traumatizing a pre-teen boy who witnessed the death of his parents, abusing an elder and possibly killing several cops(crooked).

After this, he plans to release "Holy Terror, Batman" wich Miller describes a a piece of propaganda, and "Batman kicking Al Qaeda's ass"

Also, Miller has yet to release a book featuring a female that's not a prostitute.

http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060207.html

[Rage02fire]

Also, Miller has yet to release a book featuring a female that's not a prostitute.


Umm..How about Elektra returns???

[Taskmaster]

Umm..How about Elektra returns???

A prostitute or they have to be raped/severely abused. And in his revised origin of Elektra, guess what? Rape!

Sin City speaks for itself. Only the character Jessica Alba played in the movie escaped rape, but she was tortured

[kindaichi]

I meant fucking him up as a character, and releasing bad comics about him.

Miller established his Batman In The Dark Knight Returns wich was great.

He released a horrible sequel, DKR2, and is now busy with All Star Batman. In this series, 3 issues were spent in the Batmobile, Batman told Dick Grayson, hours after his parents been killed before his eyes to eat rats if he wanted food, called him a retard and drugged him. He also manhandles Alfred, the series next issue has been delayed for over a year (but that's probably Jim Lee's fault).

So far, Batman has accomplished the following in 4 issues: kidnapping and further traumatizing a pre-teen boy who witnessed the death of his parents, abusing an elder and possibly killing several cops(crooked).

After this, he plans to release "Holy Terror, Batman" wich Miller describes a a piece of propaganda, and "Batman kicking Al Qaeda's ass"

Also, Miller has yet to release a book featuring a female that's not a prostitute.

http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060207.html


Thanks man for the input, greatly appreciated. Can you also tell me what you like about the Dark Knight Returns? I know it's hailed as one of the great classics...and Jim Lee has said that that was the one that got him hooked to comics, but I wasn't that much impressed with the new robin, him fighting aliens, sniping with rifles (at a helicopter?), and leading batboys to a "revolution"...but maybe I am missing a lot of things

Yeah DKR2 sucked...i flipped through the last 20-30 pages, the art work disgusted me and I lost interest in the story

Batman told Dick to eat rats, called him a retard and manhandled Alfred? WTF? Has Miller given any explanation for this? I know Batman is the dark knight but not in that way...

is year one any good though? In the batman begins extra they all talked about it as a pretty good book

[SFFanatic]

Nah Batman is bat-shit crazy. Man dresses up like a GIANT BAT and drives around in tank-like vehicle for justice.

Any nigga who does that is pretty crazy in my book.

Oh, and Batman: Year One fucking owns.

[Taskmaster]

Can you also tell me what you like about the Dark Knight Returns? I know it's hailed as one of the great classics, but I wasn't that much impressed with the new robin, him fighting aliens, sniping with rifles (at a helicopter?), and leading batboys to a "revolution"...but maybe I am missing a lot of things

Has Miller given any explanation for this? I know Batman is the dark knight but not in that way...

is year one any good though? In the batman begins extra they all talked about it as a pretty good book

The aliens were the mutants, no more different than two-face or the joker. The looks of the leader were more to demonstrate his strength, and what a horrible monster he was. He didnt snipe at a chopper, the rifle fired a rope.

You have to understand the time this book came out in. Most people saw Batman as the 1960's campy version from the TV show. In DKR he was hardcore. It was mature story telling in what was considered a children's book.

The way Bruce Wayne's a broken old man, then slowly goes insane (or returns to his normal self!) is fucking HARD.

Him watching TV, seeing the news, a violence report, Bruce's face, he zaps, a rape case, Bruce's horrified face, an image of his parents muder, next channel has a report on kidnapped children.

http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgss/4765467_DKR1.JPG

This goes on, till he finally has enough. Close-up on his pissed off face, the bat crashing through the window.

http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgss/4765468_DKR2.JPG

You see crimes being stopped, but not Batman. Only an arm, or a flash. A newsreport describing a siege on the underworld, heralding the return of Batman, described as a huge dracula, or a vampire. A panel of Gotham by night, lightning illuminating it.

Then a full spread page of Batman, with the following

"This should be agony. I should be a mass of broken, aching muscle"

"And were I an older man, I surely would"

"But I'm a man of thirty...of twenty again. The rain on my chest is my baptism. I'm born again"

http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgss/4765469_DKR3.JPG

Sorry this is so long, but I really love that book. And this was only half of issue 1.

Year One and DKR are generally seen as Top 5 Batman stories ever.

Year One shows an uncertain, young Bruce Wayne, who isnt Batman yet. In Y1, he becomes Batman, he's still on his own, except for Alfred. It's as much a story of Comissioner Gordon as Bruce Wayne.

The art isnt great in a way like Jim Lee's, insanely detailed, but more in the way acts are depicted, and what you dont see, but know is happening, building suspense, just long enough. The dialogue is another thing. I posted some above, they're near exact quotes.

I get the feeling you read these stories a while ago when you were younger. For God's sake re-read them. If you want, I'll PM you links to both

[ReggieHadoken]

Batman told Dick to eat rats, called him a retard and manhandled Alfred? WTF? Has Miller given any explanation for this? I know Batman is the dark knight but not in that way...



Well this particular version of Bats isn't crazy. He's bat effing loco. :looney: For reals. I didn't even know there was a DKR2. I'm gonna buy the first one and Year One.

[Septimus Prime]

Her vaginal contractions could crush his junk with the quickness.

N
Dude, it's Batman. He'd have pulled out and disappeared long before any damn contractions.

Cool4freeReturns: if Batman were in MvC2, he'd play a lot like Doom
Cool4freeReturns: and/or Spider-Man
Cool4freeReturns: probably and
Cool4freeReturns: and Strider
lupinko: dude batman fight in mvc2 would be like this
lupinko: THE BATTLE OF SURVIVAL BEGINS
lupinko: FIGHT
lupinko: KO
lupinko: Batman WINS
Cool4freeReturns: lol
Cool4freeReturns: and he never enters the screen
lupinko: exactly

[Taskmaster]

Well this particular version of Bats isn't crazy. He's bat effing loco. :looney: For reals. I didn't even know there was a DKR2. I'm gonna buy the first one and Year One.

It's good you didnt know. If you did, you might have bought it, like I did

*shudders*

[Super Warrior]

Batman told Dick to eat rats, called him a retard and manhandled Alfred? WTF? Has Miller given any explanation for this? I know Batman is the dark knight but not in that way...

Hey now...He's known as the "Goddamn Batman" to you. Don't you forget it, punk!

Heheh

Dick Grayson: "Who are you?"
Bats: "I'm the GODDAMN batman!"

[SFFanatic]

Hey now...He's known as the "Goddamn Batman" to you. Don't you forget it, punk!

Heheh

Dick Grayson: "Who are you?"
Bats: "I'm the GODDAMN batman!"

UGH, that All-Star Batman was horrible. That quote pretty much summed it up.

[Super Warrior]

UGH, that All-Star Batman was horrible. That quote pretty much summed it up.

Heheh

http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/longbox7/pics/goddamn.jpg

Here's a review of the frank miller non-sense:
http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/longbox7/default.php

[SFFanatic]

I just thought "Wow, Frank Miller writing + Jim Lee art = Greatest comic ever!". I just couldn't think it could possibly suck.

Somehow, All Star Batman and Robin went against logic. Hell, it destroyed logic.

[RoninChaos]

I think the thing that a lot of people miss about the Dark Knight returns is how utterly cinematic it is. You could literally make a movie out of it and use the comic as the story boards. Miller was on some crazy shit when he did it. He uses a really subtle method of cutting the pages so there's a lot more panels for a lot more dialogue. It's claustrophobic in a way, and then when there are those full page spreads it's fucking epic. The art is practically jumping off of the page.

In terms of story telling, I think you'd have to have read a shit ton of golden and silver age stuff to see how dramatic the change was and why it's considered a seminal work of comics. You can read it on your own, and enjoy it that way, but for me it had so much more of an impact considering I read so much of the early stuff and then stumbled onto the Dark Knight Returns.

I still consider Year One to be a superior story, but Dark Knight Returns truly is in a catagory of it's own.

[SFFanatic]

OMFG

I'm reading this damn review of All-Star Batman...its unbelivable. Batman says the dumbest shit...I don't even remeber him being this damn stupid.

[kindaichi]

Thanks for the analysis/summary Taskmaster. I actually read the two not long ago but really felt like I was missing out...I will definitely read DKR again. Funny how I forget the stuff you have mentioned but those are the parts I liked the most in the comics....:looney:

but speaking of Batman's craziness, which is something I wish it will be explored more in the next movie, tell me more about his split psyche between batman/bruce wayne and how that affects him

[kindaichi]

I think the thing that a lot of people miss about the Dark Knight returns is how utterly cinematic it is. You could literally make a movie out of it and use the comic as the story boards. Miller was on some crazy shit when he did it. He uses a really subtle method of cutting the pages so there's a lot more panels for a lot more dialogue. It's claustrophobic in a way, and then when there are those full page spreads it's fucking epic. The art is practically jumping off of the page.

In terms of story telling, I think you'd have to have read a shit ton of golden and silver age stuff to see how dramatic the change was and why it's considered a seminal work of comics. You can read it on your own, and enjoy it that way, but for me it had so much more of an impact considering I read so much of the early stuff and then stumbled onto the Dark Knight Returns.

I still consider Year One to be a superior story, but Dark Knight Returns truly is in a catagory of it's own.

yeah I never read the early stuff, and I never looked at the pages as a form of story boards for a movie. I have been wondering if it made any difference that I read Long Halloween/Haunted Knight/Dark Victory first then approached DKR

[Taskmaster]

yeah I never read the early stuff, and I never looked at the pages as a form of story boards for a movie. I have been wondering if it made any difference that I read Long Halloween/Haunted Knight/Dark Victory first then approached DKR

The reading order shouldnt really make a difference. The way you look at comics is important though. If you just skim through the pages, you wont notice subtleties, or wont think about what makes a page great.

And the split personality isnt brought up that much. In DKR, there's actually a voice speaking to Bruce, wich is supposed to be Batman, the Bat, because he isnt Batman anymore.

In later comics, it was revealed Bruce Wayne is the disguise. He actually thinks of himself as The Bat, or Batman. Beyond that, it's just how much times he spends in costume. In times of stress, he'll shut people out of his life, like Nightwing, and pretty much the rest of his allies friends. That's when he gets more Batman-like. Harsher, cruder, and sometimes more violent. And that's when he starts making plans to kill the Justice League.

[Stanman]

Heh, serious Batman talk. I base a lot of my morals on how Batman would do things.

I always kind of thought it would be cool to have that kind of dedication to follow something like not killing people even when dealing with the craziest bitches ever. Even today, I don't think I would be a draft dodger because I didn't believe killing people. But then again, war is the necessary evil and I guess Batman comics never really implemented that.

The movie had a good quote that justified it for him I thought. Something along the lines of "compassion is not a quality your enemies will share" and he just says that's why it is so important. I'm surprised that no one even mentioned the end of batman begins where he doesn't kill Ra's Al Ghul, but he allows him to die. That alone goes completely against the character, but I though it fit well. I always preferred the Batman Begins origin story even after reading Year One.

Edit: Also, is he crazy? He's certainly an unusual character, but in the case where the general populace would be better if they lived on those ideals then it's not very crazy at all.

[Taito]

They'd fucking goddamn better make a DKR movie, after adapting Miller's Sin City and 300.

[Taskmaster]

They'd fucking goddamn better make a DKR movie, after adapting Miller's Sin City and 300.

The next moive, summer 2008 is called The Dark Knight. Not Batman - The Dark Knight, Just TDK. It's supposed to be darker, with psycho Joker by Heath Ledger
as the villain, and introducing Two-Face as a set-up for the 3rd movie.

Two-Face will supposedly be played by Ryan Philippe (Fuck what you think, he actually is a good actor).It is a direct sequel to Batman Begins though, so now 50 year old Batman. Panel for panel, a DKR movie would be a dream come true

[Taskmaster]

but I wasn't that much impressed with the new robin



And about not liking the new Robin, next time you read the book, look especially for panels when Robin and Bruce/Batman are in together. It's about contrast. Young, innocent, optimistic, and literally small girl, standing by an ancient giant, a symbol to wich she dedicates herself. It's especially poignant during one of the chopper scenes in I believe issue three, when she falls and Batman cant rescue her. Watch his reaction when she turns out to be alright, unlike his former Robin, Jason Todd

[ReggieHadoken]

I actually haven't read any Batman comics. I love the character, but I have not read a single Batman comic. Honest truth. Of course that will all change very soon.

I made this thread in hopes of getting into some good discussion on how Batman operates, and hear some stories that could support the theory if Batman is indeed looney. Personally, I don't think he is but at times it seems like he's not too far from crossing the line.

Much thanks to those links from DKR. Makes me want to buy DKR even more now. I noticed how the older Bruce Wayn there looked like the one from Batman Beyond. Innnnnteresting.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty apparent that Bruce is the mask and Batman is who he really is. At what point did this happen, I've no clue. I'm not talking when whatever writer made it stand out that Batman was who Bruce really was, I'm talking how many years it has been since he became the Bat. Just something that came to my mind tht I thought I'd throw out there.

[Taito]

The next moive, summer 2008 is called The Dark Knight. Not Batman - The Dark Knight, Just TDK. It's supposed to be darker, with psycho Joker by Heath Ledger
as the villain, and introducing Two-Face as a set-up for the 3rd movie.

Two-Face will supposedly be played by Ryan Philippe (Fuck what you think, he actually is a good actor).It is a direct sequel to Batman Begins though, so now 50 year old Batman. Panel for panel, a DKR movie would be a dream come true
Yeah, well.. ignoring the fact that I know all that already.. TDK has nothing to do with DKR, does it?

I want a DKR adaption in the vein of Sin City and 300. CG presentation and everything.

[Taskmaster]

I actually haven't read any Batman comics. I love the character, but I have not read a single Batman comic. Honest truth. Of course that will all change very soon.

Personally, I don't think he is but at times it seems like he's not too far from crossing the line.

I noticed how the older Bruce Wayn there looked like the one from Batman Beyond. Innnnnteresting.

I'm talking how many years it has been since he became the Bat. Just something that came to my mind tht I thought I'd throw out there.

If you need some help on good material, just ask.

He has crossed lines. He devised plans to kill Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman and pretty much every other heroe there is. They were contingency, if they ever went rogue, but got stolen and used against him.

Batman Beyond Bruce is based on DKR Bruce. Batman the animated series has an episode, were three kids teel three stories, about how they view Batman. One sees him as he is in the cartoons, one as he was in the '60s, and the third, a girl named Carrie sees him as the DKR version. She tells(and we get to see) about his fight with the mutant leader.

He probably went over the edge after Jason Todd got killed. The 3rd Robin helped, but he never got over it.

[*InVeRs3*]

Want to know why batman is crazy? Because he's a closet homosexual. Look at the signs. He's really hiding his REAL secret identity.

He's a loner. He feels alone because he lives in a straight world.
Robin was clearly gay. Just look at him.

Last but not least http://www.fatherdan.com/images/blog/SmartBombStudios-justice.jpg

[Taskmaster]

Yeah, well.. ignoring the fact that I know all that already.. TDK has nothing to do with DKR, does it?

I want a DKR adaption in the vein of Sin City and 300. CG presentation and everything.


Ah, sorry didnt mean to be condescending. I just wanted to point out the title, and showing that (hopefully) the next movie will have a more similar Batman to that of DKR

[Taito]

Ah, sorry didnt mean to be condescending. I just wanted to point out the title, and showing that (hopefully) the next movie will have a more similar Batman to that of DKR
If the Batman in TDK ends up being similar to the one portrayed in DKR, then it's no better than the movie franchise preceeding it (more entertaining? Sure, but no better). This Batman series is supposed to adapt the canon comics, not a gotdamned Elseworlds tale.

And the two Batman movies from Burton was modeled (obviously loosely) off of DKR. That graphic novel was actually why Batman '89 was greenlit in the first place.

[Rhio2k]

Last but not least http://www.fatherdan.com/images/blog/SmartBombStudios-justice.jpg


:rofl: oh shit!!

[Taskmaster]

If the Batman in TDK ends up being similar to the one portrayed in DKR, then it's no better than the movie franchise preceeding it (more entertaining? Sure, but no better). This Batman series is supposed to adapt the canon comics, not a gotdamned Elseworlds tale.

And the two Batman movies from Burton was modeled (obviously loosely) off of DKR. That graphic novel was actually why Batman '89 was greenlit in the first place.

I get that, but I dont mind movies straying a little from comics canon. Supposed the 2nd movie isnt the last one, I'm not really waiting to see Robin show up in movie 3 or 4.

Besides, with Batman, canon always is a bit fuzzy, but that's mostly with the rogue's gallery.

[kindaichi]

I get that, but I dont mind movies straying a little from comics canon. Supposed the 2nd movie isnt the last one, I'm not really waiting to see Robin show up in movie 3 or 4.

Besides, with Batman, canon always is a bit fuzzy, but that's mostly with the rogue's gallery.

do you have any idea why killing joke is out of print now?

any other suggestion for good batman comic? I was thinking of Arkahm, Hush, Year One, and possibly the fugitive/murder (series?)

[Taskmaster]

do you have any idea why killing joke is out of print now?

any other suggestion for good batman comic? I was thinking of Arkahm, Hush, Year One, and possibly the fugitive/murder (series?)

There was a reprint in 2006. There probably will be a new one this year.

If you go to a comic shop, I'm sure they can get it for you immediately.

City Of Crime - Detective Comics 801-814
the Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Dark Knight Returns
Year One
Son Of The Demon
Tales of the Demon
War On Crime
Gotham County Line
The Cult
Black And White

Are all very nice

[kindaichi]

There was a reprint in 2006. There probably will be a new one this year.

If you go to a comic shop, I'm sure they can get it for you immediately.

City Of Crime - Detective Comics 801-814
the Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Dark Knight Returns
Year One
Son Of The Demon
Tales of the Demon
War On Crime
Gotham County Line
The Cult
Black And White

Are all very nice

Thanks!

[DeathScythe]

its more time drake, because tim before he bacame robin realized batman needed robin, he needed his balance..hence why he searched out for batman.


Well, kinda, sorta. But, Tim realized that after the Jason Todd incident. Batman was on this "No-Robin clause" until Tim came around and figured out that Bruce was Batman. Batman caught a hardon due to Tim's detective work and said "Aight, you in, son."

Bruce always connected more with Dick. He was the son he never had. And they related a lot more. Both of their parents murdered. Both wanting to make a difference. Bats saw a young Bruce in Dick's eyes. And, you know, at the time Batman was taking his job A LOT more seriously than ever before. Dick brought more balance to Batman than anyone else. That's why Batman went 'happy' during the Silver Age. Which was a lot scarier than grumpy Bats.

[thurst]

black & white sucks imo, if you really wanna get into batman just read big story arcs and you'll have a pretty good idea of what's going on in terms of the character, plus it's all canon.

knightfall
contagion
cataclysm
bruce wayne: murderer/fugitive
hush
no man's land
war games

there are trades for most of those