Should we allow character-specific threads into general strat?

[Buktooth]

So i'm thinking, those character specific forums never get anywhere. what if i were to allow character specific threads in here?

Pros:
- people would actually see the goddamned threads
- help put a bit of life into these dead ass forums

Cons:
- clutters up general strat forum more

... that's all i can think of

so what do you guys think?

[Tempest253]

So i'm thinking, those character specific forums never get anywhere. what if i were to allow character specific threads in here?

Pros:
- people would actually see the goddamned threads
- help put a bit of life into these dead ass forums

Cons:
- clutters up general strat forum more

... that's all i can think of

so what do you guys think?

IMO i think that would be good...

I pesonally think you should have a thread for RCing...thats it..

[Buktooth]

IMO i think that would be good...

I pesonally think you should have a thread for RCing...thats it..

?

what about Rcing

[Nick T.]

Yes, but only if the thread isn't 1+1 basic. Like, if it refers to more specific advanced topics.
I'd rather GS get cluttered with advanced topics rather than "How do I use (insert character here) topics"

[Mizuki]

No, I want an excuse to fucking flame out the new people and yell at them that there's a fucking character specific thread, because you know, they have to go through them to get here.

[Hail And Kill]

I didnt vote, theres something in that i didnt agree with.(yes we should allow)

oh and mizuki needs to calm down.

[gridman]

voted yes. a lot of the stuff in char specific threads is out dated

[SanGye]

voted yes. a lot of the stuff in char specific threads is out dated

I voted No, and gridman is right about stuff being outdated but not all of it is outdated. It can always be updated by people who notice new "common" plays from watching the pro's go at it. It's the choice of whether or not people feel like posting up what they notice are other people's weakness that is seen in a lot of good players, even regular player mistakes/habits.

[wepeel]

only if you promise to mod the forums properly PLEASE

(half-kidding)

[GunterJPN]

Ryu, Ken, Kim, Dan, Ryo, Kyo, Mai....

Unless you want to change the search feature to include three-letter words, keeping things separate makes it easier to search for things pertaining to specific characters. People are stupid. Even if things get combined, we'll just tell people to make the search go further back, instead of directing them to character-specific forums.

[FSgamer]

I voted no. Keeping character specific stuff in the respective character section helps keeping things organized and makes it easier to search. Usually new people post character specific stuff in the general strat section because they don't know how set the character specific page to display all topics ("from the beginning" instead of "from the last month") and that's the reason they never see the older topics.

About the RC thread, maybe someone could copy and paste the more relevant posts about RC in one thread and then go from there (Buktooth posted the basics as well as links to more advanced stuff in the "new to CvS2" thread).

[FullMetalRoss]

Personally, I voted yes, because it's easier to answer new player questions if it's in GD. As I don't normally go and look at all the character forums. Sure some of it will get ignored but the actual good threads will stay at the top and it won't really matter that much. It's not like people post here all the time anyway.

[Ex-S]

Not for basic stuff; that should stay in char specific.... but it'd be good to have detailed discussion of matchups and situations; this way we can really take advantage of the more experienced players.....

[iKlEiTlH]

who gives a shit. as long as gene remains gay everything is cool.

[Tempest253]

?

what about Rcing

Basically a thread that's dedicated to Rcing i guess..

idk, just a thought..

[Ouroborus]

No, I want an excuse to fucking flame out the new people and yell at them that there's a fucking character specific thread, because you know, they have to go through them to get here.

first of all, who the fuck are you and since when did you own the boards? cut that e-thuggery shit out.

going back on topic.............

yes, i think we should allow character specific threads in general discussion. like gridman said, ton of character thread is outdated and i really doubt anyone had the dedication anymore to update it.

cvs2 is stagnating at the moment so most posters dont feel like updating anything since hardly anyone is gonna read it and post feedback. general discussion gets the most traffic in the cvs2 forums and most of the posters here are happy enough to help so questions gets answered faster.

and yeah, it would also bring more life to these boards.

[Buktooth]

Ryu, Ken, Kim, Dan, Ryo, Kyo, Mai....

Unless you want to change the search feature to include three-letter words, keeping things separate makes it easier to search for things pertaining to specific characters. People are stupid. Even if things get combined, we'll just tell people to make the search go further back, instead of directing them to character-specific forums.
good point. buuuut... you actually can search for three-letter words if you just add an asterisk to the end of it (e.g. Ryu*).

i do prefer the idea of throwing "noob shit" into character specific forums. should we do what maj suggested years ago and make a few sticky threads in every character-specific forum (basic strat, combos, movelist)?

that way we can discuss interesting stuff in general strat, then have newer players post the shit we've seen a million times already in the sticky threads in the character-specific forums. if somebody feels like a philanthropist they can paste shit posted in the new threads here into the sticky threads

i just really hate the idea of posts going totally unnoticed over there because cvs2 has 55424543 characters and it's more difficult than it needs to be to see new posts

only if you promise to mod the forums properly PLEASE
(half-kidding)
? is there shit going on i dont know about? i close/delete/move lots of threads actually, though i havent banned anybody in a while

[Mizuki]

The way the boards are now is cool, I thought you were going to annihilate the chararacter boards altogether.

Oh, and no more pissy Mizuki.

[Nescu69]

Def bring the old format back, the reason the forums died was cause of the separation.

[skisonic]

i would say no because these dumb fucks need to learn how to read and use some forums.

but also on the subject yea include 3 letter searches would be great because of all the 3 letter names. I dont know about that asterisk hack, that means if i search for dan* im searching like, dank dane dana dang and possibly dance (maybe not dance)? I guess itd work ok if you're like dan* + shitty + character, it'll only return threads with indeed dan hibiki, but I'd thinkthered be some overlap somewhere.

[noodleman]

Def bring the old format back, the reason the forums died was cause of the separation.
the forums died people like you post retarded strats that don't work.

[Nescu69]

the forums died people like you post retarded strats that don't work.

u are a worthless scrub

[ZZ_Jaron]

4 sections
1. Characters (if you can, add a search funtion)
2. Advanced tactics
3. Basic tactics (n00b empire)
4. Matchups & Teams

All characters are in 1 sub-forum and w/ some kind of search function you can search recent threads on that character

[Tempest253]

4 sections
1. Characters (if you can, add a search funtion)
2. Advanced tactics
3. Basic tactics (n00b empire)
4. Matchups & Teams

All characters are in 1 sub-forum and w/ some kind of search function you can search recent threads on that character

I concur with that.

[Nick T.]

So, according to the poll, Gene is gay now?

[blackcenterpoint]

There really is no point in having character specific threads in this forum. I've already posted my questions or comments regarding specific characters there already. Otherwise, I posted for nothing... Not that there's anything wrong with general strat...

[Laicram]

Character-threads in general strat might make research harder for newer players, but as an older player I think it's more convienient to keep the party in general strat since CVS talk is not very active anyways.

[epsilon_]

sure, cvs2 forums are dead.

[Maj]

good point. buuuut... you actually can search for three-letter words if you just add an asterisk to the end of it (e.g. Ryu*).

i do prefer the idea of throwing "noob shit" into character specific forums. should we do what maj suggested years ago and make a few sticky threads in every character-specific forum (basic strat, combos, movelist)?
It wasn't really my suggestion. If you guys are looking for someone to blame about the forums being the way they are, i'm gonna have to RC through that. At some point there was some big discussion about how people don't contribute to the general archiving of strategy information. Eventually the argument got narrowed down to some people claiming that there isn't enough infrastructure to justify writing down everything about a character. It all just gets lost in the general flow of forum cycling and nobody ever sees any of it.

So i did what was requested of me and tried to create some form of outline that people could flesh out, without feeling like all their contributions disappear into the void. The best way to guarantee that core threads stayed put was to make them sticky. I went through a number of ideas for how to divide and label those threads. Initially it was divided into a thread for Normal Moves, a thread for Special Moves, and a thread for Super Moves. Yes, that was a really dumb idea. But i think the version that i went with was actually pretty good: Moveset and Attributes / Combos and Glitches / Strategies and Matchups.

Unfortunately the one super essential thing was missing: some way of seeing new posts across the entire CvS2 strategy forums. Intially there was something that showed new posts, but unfortunately sticky threads took priority over all other new posts. Not having a way to directly access new posts really really limits the practical usefulness of 50 subforums.

I think, given the current situation, the ideal solution would be to move all the valuable threads from those subforums into this General Strategy forum and delete all these subforums. If anyone thinks that those forums are useful for keeping super basic shit out of General Strategy, i agree. But that's what the wiki is for. If a few people would be willing to flesh out the SRK wiki with the basic info currently found in the subforums, then people asking basic questions can be redirected to the wiki and no harm done.

So yeah, at the time, i took the best option available but it certainly wasn't ideal. Anyway i'm just saying that it wouldn't "hurt my feelings" if the current mods undid all of that in favor of a completely different approach.

[WraithCo]

Haha, Maj I don't think anyone's blaming you at all. I thought the moveset, combos, strategies threads were a good idea, and some of them did get filled out pretty decently, don't you think?

Just throwing out an idea
Since Maj suggested that part of the problem is people can't really keep track of new posts spread across character threads, and it would be nice if we could fill up the wiki so that we could archive a lot of known knowledge...

Why don't we open up a weekly character thread in the general strategy forums? Basically, the idea would be to focus each week on a character, talk about all the stuff we know about them, then archive that knowledge onto the wiki. Focusing on one character at a time would eliminate the keeping track of new threads problem. Discussion is of course welcome, but at the end of the week, we'd probably be able to reach a mutual agreement on what should, and what shouldn't go on the wiki.

Of course, the success of this would rely heavily on how many forum regulars would be willing to participate in this, interest is pretty much key to get a good amount of info down, it'd have to be a hot topic to work properly. I think it would be easiest to start with a well known character, like Blanka, Bison, Sagat, etc. simply because almost everyone can contribute something about the commonly played characters. I think even if we never made it down to the other characters, but managed to get all the commonly played characters done up well on the wiki, I'd be willing to count the idea successful.

[Buktooth]

Why don't we open up a weekly character thread in the general strategy forums?

this is a good idea, and would also (hopefully) spark discussion

... though i have a feeling i'm gonna be the only guy thats gonna know anything about peripheral characters though

anyway, i think i might start this up next week or something. busy at work now

[Leezy]

^
Obviously busy at work...

I wish I could browse forums while working...

[FullMetalRoss]

this is a good idea, and would also (hopefully) spark discussion

... though i have a feeling i'm gonna be the only guy thats gonna know anything about peripheral characters though

anyway, i think i might start this up next week or something. busy at work now

Dude I'll post, I know some stuff for a lot of periphary characters... though probably no where near what you do but, what I don't know I can try and find in good old training mode! I like this idea I hope it goes well.

[Maj]

Haha, Maj I don't think anyone's blaming you at all.
It's all good, i just wanted to roll cancel some metaphors, haha. The "character of the week" thread sounds like a great idea. Maybe alternate between a top tier character and a low tier character. Like, Sagat then King then Cammy then Gief then Vega then Terry and so on. Otherwise you might run out of participation once you get into low tier territory.

Get em get em.

[FMJaguar]

I think, given the current situation, the ideal solution would be to move all the valuable threads from those subforums into this General Strategy forum and delete all these subforums. If anyone thinks that those forums are useful for keeping super basic shit out of General Strategy, i agree. But that's what the wiki is for. If a few people would be willing to flesh out the SRK wiki with the basic info currently found in the subforums, then people asking basic questions can be redirected to the wiki and no harm done.

Combining the subforums might temporarily make the threads easier to find and more active, but it seems counter productive, since if people started posting as a result, the forum would then immediately become unmanagable again.

I also realize that it is a pain to search through the specific subforums, But retaining the subforums allows us to build a component on top of them to offer a 'view' as if they were a single forum, and then we wouldn't lose the ability to link to the subforum directly from the wiki pages or from anywhere else.

I agree that anything that isn't really discussion material (answers to common questions, combos, etc...) should start migrating to the wiki, and maybe the subforum would mainly be for bringing up things missing from the wiki, specific match situations, etc...

[Maj]

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Problem is, the initial sentiment was that splitting up the forum into 50 subforums would encourage more participation. Instead, it simply splintered the userbase into small groups and reduced thread visibility. Instead of 30 people checking 20 threads, it turned into groups of 3 people checking 5 threads each. Once you lose 1 of those 3 people, the forum dies. Hell, even 5 people is a dead forum. You need something of a critical mass to keep this thing rolling. I don't know about everyone else, but after a while i stopped checking the character-specific forums entirely.

If there was a custom page that we could check that would list all threads across all character-specific forums by date of most recent post, then it would make things a lot easier. It would reunite the entire userbase. But we've had this problem for years and there hasn't been a good solution proposed yet.

Bottom line is that a little bit of repetition is a good way to keep people coming back. Otherwise you cover all the basics in a short period of time then have nothing left to talk about. People stop coming back and it creates a slippery slope situation. Every person that leaves is another reason for the remaining people to leave as well.

[popoblo]

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agreed. the game is to the point where there aren't too many new players. so the basic questions like, "how do i RC ftw!!!" and fence painting questions have already been driven into the ground. so organization is the least of our concerns, the real issue is keeping the game alive, and allowing character specific threads will help that.

[iKlEiTlH]

you guys just need to start frosting them cakes.

[FMJaguar]

If there was a custom page that we could check that would list all threads across all character-specific forums by date of most recent post, then it would make things a lot easier. It would reunite the entire userbase. But we've had this problem for years and there hasn't been a good solution proposed yet.

I can see what you mean here. If the reason behind suggesting that the forums be recombined is that the forum isn't moving forward. I can understand that, but I still would rather just fix the problem without going back. Consider this prototype I thought of in response to your post:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/cvs2/

Would something like this solve the issue the same way as recombining the forum? if not what else would be needed?. Of course there's a ton of ideas, but i'd like to tackle first the concerns addressed by this thread.

[Maj]

Looks good, except i don't think it's a good idea to include threads from General Strategy in that list cuz it's just gonna clog it up. Everyone will check General Strategy anyway so there's no point in to drawing extra attention to it.

[wepeel]

hahah...Joe...he really DOES say it though :rofl: