Saulabi SPS-3000 Arcade Stick

[kill2this]

Looking at possibly buying one from Playasia has anyone had any experiences with one, what are the standard parts like? and just any other info you have, at the minute Im using a Namco stick but fancy a change.
Thanks


Edit: I did make an attempt to search the forums, but my query didnt bring back a lot in the search function, sorry guys

[Xorcist]

Yeah my older posts on the topic got 86ed with the forum switch a couple months back. Hi, I'm Xorcist the local Saulabi fanatic... I own several of the sticks. To start there are actually two versions of the SPS-3000, no I'm not talking about the SPS-1000 (the PS2 w/ vibration), but rather the fact that there is an older and a newer SPS-3000. The older stick can be identified by it's gray matt coloring, while the new one has a metalic blue color.

The older one uses a fanta "clone", micro-switched joystick (each contact makes a distinct click when you hit it). It's pretty solid for being a clone; I've been using my stick for over a year now (daily) and it's still holding strong. I'm unsure of the button hardware, but I've never had any issues with sticking and or non-registered button presses. The button faces are convex and glossy on this one.

The newer one uses a leaf-switch joystick, which seems to be a bit more responsive than the previous micro-switch model (and on top of that makes no noise whatsoever), but people have told me these types of sticks require more maintenance. I have noticed one downside though, which is that if you move the stick completely to one side, then let go, the stick will bounce back making a contact with the oppsite side before centering. This does not happen on the older micro-switch, but then again you really shouldn't be flicking the stick about all unwieldy and such. The buttons on this model have a bit of texture and start out convex, but then have a bit of concaveness to the top. They seem a bit springer than the previous model, but that just could be because my old stick has been been broken in for a year.

Now apparently Play-Asia didn't know about this hardware change, and it's not listed anywhere on their site (except if you read the reviews (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-49-en-15-saulabi-70-11sj.html) I posted there), nor is it anywhere on the sticks themselves (both are labeled soley as SPS-3000s). But if you order from Play-Asia you will be getting the newer model. As they had to restock before they could fill my last order around x-mas. I'm not sure where you could currently purchase an older model, but the only way to verify one way or the other would be to ask the seller to open up the boxes and check the colors, and or if the stick clicks while moving it.


Now onto the multi-media portion of my presentation....

Offical Site
Main Korean Site (http://www.isaulabi.com/index.htm)
European Distributor (http://www.saulabi.nl/)
Misc Stick Info (in Korean) (http://www.stick.pe.kr/shop/item.php?it_id=27)

Official Commercial
Saulabi SPS-1000 (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/saulabi_sps-1000.wmv)

General Pics
Back of PCB (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerX_PCB.jpg)
PCB / Buttons (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerX_Buttons.jpg)
360 Degree View (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/saulabi-info.wmv)

SPS-3000 (OLD)
Layout (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerA_Layout.jpg)
Stick (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerA_Stick.jpg)
Buttons (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerA_Buttons.jpg)
Stick Closeup (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerA_Stick_Close.jpg)
Stick in Action (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerA_Stick.mov)

SPS-3000 (NEW)
Layout (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerB_Layout.jpg)
Stick (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerB_Stick.jpg)
Buttons (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerB_Buttons.jpg)
Stick Closeup (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerB_Stick_Close.jpg)
Stick in Action (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerB_Stick.mov)

let me know if there is any other information I can provide you with...

[kill2this]

Wow, thanks a lot for going to the time to put that together mate, now my only problem is whether to order from Play asia or from the european distributor you listed, Play asia seems cheaper but Im not that clued up on customs fees etc ;/

[tl613]

I am also interested in getting one of these since I've never tried a Korean stick. Have you ever tried to modify it? Could a Fanta stick and Crown buttons be put in as easily as a HRAP/Sanwa mod?

The European distributor seems to have the older grey model. Do you have a preference between the two? Thanks in advance.

[leaveal]

i think the first one is a real korean arcade grade stick. i just don't know what it's called. it's in both of my stick.pe.kr sticks.

edit:

the second one is a clone, to my knowledge. the only korean leaf stick i know is the Crown, and it has a weird white actuator that's shaped differently.

i don't see any difference between the two layouts, btw.

[laugh]

I happened to have had my hands on both of these and I'll clarify some misinformation about them.

Saulabi sticks come with real Myoungshin parts, meaning the microswitch-based stick in the grey-model isn't some clone but an authentic Myoungshin Fanta stick. It just has the newer version of their sticks with blue Deco switches instead of the older and now-extinct Gersung version.

The leaf switch stick in the blue version of the stick is also made by MyoungShin. That's how their leaf switch stick looks like. The knob of the stick is identical with their Fanta sticks.

Also, it's VERY easy to mod the stick part with another Korean stick. They fit without any modifications what so ever. The buttons can also be modded with Crown 203 buttons (snaps right into place, i believe) but you'll need to bend the prongs to fit the holes on the button-PCB.

[Demon Dash]

For Powerful Game... :wtf:

[Xorcist]

Hell yeah for powerful game, and don't forget... enjoy fancy look of the joystick with metal mask logo! (I shine mine as a taunt each time I defeat an opponent)

P.S. Yeah the layouts are identical, I just listed them for each model regardless.

P.P.S. Where is a good place to import Korean joystick parts from (I'm in the U.S.)

[tl613]

So would the green Crown buttons Paik4Life is selling fit in there okay? His thread says the buttons are screw in and judging from the pics from Xorcist it doesn't really look like there is space to screw anything in there.

[laugh]

tl613 - They should fit right in.

Xorcist - I sell Korean stick parts from Korea.

[Takahashi0]

Wow, thanks a lot for going to the time to put that together mate, now my only problem is whether to order from Play asia or from the european distributor you listed, Play asia seems cheaper but Im not that clued up on customs fees etc ;/

I have got good experiences with the European distributor.

[Switch Blade]

The Saulabi stick is a decent stick. It's very easy to mod (currently I'm playing with a medium rubber fanta-stick) and the button layout is ok for me.

As to korean sticks:
Korean sticks are wonderful! For me, these are the best sticks in the whole wide world. They are perfect for circle motions and fast inputs. If you're a Tekken (especially Mishima) player than this is the stick you should get. Don't know about 2D games, but I guess it's good too.

I finally managed to pull of the Player 2 lightdash, which is an awesome feeling. I really hope Saulabi is bringing out a PS3 arcade stick soon. I need a PS3-PCB, so I can build my custom PS3-arcade stick in april :D

I ordered my parts from Laugh, he is very reliable and the stuff I recieved, was in perfect condition :tup:

When you play with it for the first time it's very strange feeling, totaly different than Sanwa, or other Sticks, but once you get used to it, you will love it. That's at least my case.

[tl613]

I tried ordering from the European distributor but all they have is the SPS-1000. Other than the vibration function is there anything significantly different between this and the SPS-3000 (other than already mentioned stuff like leaf switches)?

Any info is appreciated. I can't really find much about the SPS-1000 that's not in Korean.

[Switch Blade]

I'm having the Saulabi SPS-1000. The only differences are:
It doesn't feature rumble or vibration
It doesn't have the slogan "Saulabi for powerful game" on the panel
It's only available in dark grey or metallic blue

It's as easy to mod, as the SPS-3000. So if you don't need rumble function, then buy it.

[Xorcist]

The Saulabi stick is a decent stick. It's very easy to mod (currently I'm playing with a medium rubber fanta-stick) and the button layout is ok for me.

You know a couple people mentioned, in other threads, they didn't like the button layout, but that's the #1 reason I bought one in the first place. I really liked the layout, plus the stick itself is a good distance away from the buttons. I dislike when sticks are positioned right next to the buttons. Makes me feel all cramped (maybe I just have big hands?).

Overall I've been very satisfied with the performance of the Saulabi's I have purchased. So much so, I even bought a couple for some friends. I'll make believers of them yet! :wgrin:

P.S. I thought the SPS-1000 was the one with vibration (Play-Asia's site lists it that way)? I have a couple SPS-3000 sticks and none of them have vibration (I don't have any SPS-1000 though). Does your SPS-1000 not have vibration?

[tl613]

I don't mind the button-layout so much as the button-mapping (noob so I think this is what it's called). I have a HRAP2 and love how it's:

[] - /\ - R1 - L1
X - O - R2 - L2

Cover L1 and L2 and it's perfect. With the Saulabi if I covered L1 and L2 (I don't know if you can) then the buttons would be even farther away from they stick. Yeah I'm lazy and don't feel like reconfiguring the buttons every time I play.

So the SPS-3000 doesn't say "For Powerful Game" on it? As funny as it is, I'd probably prefer it not to say that, heh.

[chippermonky]

these have all been through laugh's god tiered hands http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/chippermonky/Joysticks/?action=view&current=IMG_9522.jpg

keke

[Switch Blade]

You know a couple people mentioned, in other threads, they didn't like the button layout, but that's the #1 reason I bought one in the first place. I really liked the layout, plus the stick itself is a good distance away from the buttons. I dislike when sticks are positioned right next to the buttons. Makes me feel all cramped (maybe I just have big hands?).

Overall I've been very satisfied with the performance of the Saulabi's I have purchased. So much so, I even bought a couple for some friends. I'll make believers of them yet! :wgrin:

P.S. I thought the SPS-1000 was the one with vibration (Play-Asia's site lists it that way)? I have a couple SPS-3000 sticks and none of them have vibration (I don't have any SPS-1000 though). Does your SPS-1000 not have vibration?

As I said, I got the SPS-1000. I looked at my blue saulabi-box and it says SPS-1000. There is even a white sticker beyond my Saulabi with the production number and it also says SPS-1000. It does not feature rumble and it doesn't have the slogan on the panel. Actually, I can live very well without that ;)

Maybe, they put the wrong stick into the box, but I seriously doubt that. As to the button layout, it's perfect for big hands. Maybe people who have small hands dislike it, but for me it's great. Always when I was playing with my T5-Hori i fucked up throw inputs and simoultanous inputs, for example sqaure and circle. Whereas on my Saulabi all inputs work perfect.

My SPS-1000 weights 2,5 kilogramm (kilo) that's about 5 pound. I ordered it last year from www.saulabi.nl without any problems. I exchanged the grey stock fanta with green medium rubber fanta, which was very easy work.

I'd like to exchange 4 buttons with original crown buttons, but I don't know how to do this, because the buttons are somehow soldered to the PCB. If anybody knows how to mod it, I would really appreciate it :D

Saulabi & Fanta 4 the win ! :lovin:

[tl613]

According to the European distributor the SPS-1000 DOES NOT have vibration and the SPS-3000 DOES have vibration. But yeah Play-Asia's site says SPS-1000 is the vibration one. It also has the 1000 $10 more than the 3000. I think just to play it safe I'm going to go with the European distributor. It's only $10 more from them anyway.

[HachiKO]

I have a question. Does it use a PS2 PCB? Will it work if I use an elecom converter to work for PS3? I'm a Tekken player so I'm really leaning on this stick because of the reviews I heard. If I get this stick I want to be able to play on PS3 with the same one (for T6). Otherwise I'll just wait and get a PS3 compatible one.

Also whats the purpose of throwing in a Fanta stick if it already uses a real one? Do they use a crappier model or something?

[laugh]

Because some stock Fantas they come with aren't satisfactory.

[Switch Blade]

I have a question. Does it use a PS2 PCB? Will it work if I use an elecom converter to work for PS3? I'm a Tekken player so I'm really leaning on this stick because of the reviews I heard. If I get this stick I want to be able to play on PS3 with the same one (for T6). Otherwise I'll just wait and get a PS3 compatible one.

Also whats the purpose of throwing in a Fanta stick if it already uses a real one? Do they use a crappier model or something?The green fantas used in arcades have more resistance when you push them. They are faster and have a better feeling. You need to know that fanta-sticks have a rubber inside that is what gives them this unique touch. Once the rubber wears out a little bit, it becomes an awesome feeling. At first, they're very stiff, but once you master them it will be really easy to play with them. The only thing which takes a little time to learn, is how to do diagonal inputs.

I'm also looking for a PS3-PCB, so I can make myself a custom arcade-stick with fanta & crown parts. I hope Saulabi releases a new stick soon, I've heard converters are making trouble :(

[Takahashi0]

Except for getting used to,
are there any other ways to make hitting the diagonal input easier?

[Switch Blade]

Except for getting used to,
are there any other ways to make hitting the diagonal input easier?Actually, hitting the diagonal input is pretty easy, if you know how to do it. The trick is, you have to push the stick before, you do the actual input.

Example: when you're playing on player 2 side. Use your thumb and push the stick to the left, then use your middle finger to pull the stick in a short diagonal motion.

When you're playing on player 1 side. Use your middle finger, to push the stick forward and then you have to do a short diagonal motion with your index finger.

It sounds a bit strange, but trust me, it's really easy. I had serious problems doing it when I got my stick, because when you're used to play with sanwa or hori sticks, you do the diagonal inputs totaly different.

On fanta-sticks you always have to push the stick a little bit, before you do the actual diagonal input, it's a little bit staggered, but once mastered it becomes very very easy and fast.

As a tip: Try to practice from the right side, it's easier to get the feeling. Use the thumb to tap forward and then pull the stick diagonally in a C-motion with your middle finger. That's all ;)

[Takahashi0]

I hold the stick like I would hold a pencil
(That is why I like the bat type stick and the softness of this stick, lollies hurt)
and would like to leave my middle finger as it is.

I always practice on the player two side.
But I never had problems switching sides,
with this joystick I do have trouble playing on the player one side.

Ooh well, more practicing for me.

Is there some sort of restrictor available for it or is that not even possible because of a different system?

[laugh]

There're no restrictors available for the Fantas, but there is one kind of Crown stick that has restrictors on it. They're totally different sticks and are not interchangable.

I don't know why people have problems with diagonals. Maybe people are not used to the range where the diagonal inputs are. Nobody i know has problems with diagonals like that and don't use any special method of inputting diagonals, but they're Koreans so they're used to the sticks.

[tl613]

How's the build quality of the casing? I just played on a Naki Ultimate Fighting Stick which looks exactly like a Saulabi (even has a big button on top where the "metal mask logo" would be) and that thing felt really cheap and light, except for the fact that there was a concrete block glued inside of it.

The case was made out of crappy plastic that scratched really easily and even with the rubber feet it wobbled a lot on a flat surface. I like the heaviness and stability of the HRAP, how comparable is this?

[tl613]

This thread is dead, but in case anyone is still interested in one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Saulabi-SPS-3000-Arcade-Joystick-for-PS2-Like-New_W0QQitemZ140087826578QQihZ004QQcategoryZ21188Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Xorcist]

If anyone is interested I took some time to translate version 1.0 of the "Saulabi Joystick Manager" (for the PC USB sticks), from Korean into English. I can make the hacked executable available if need be.

Looks like they have a new version of the software out now, gonna get started on translating that one too. :)

[chippermonky]

If anyone is interested I took some time to translate version 1.0 of the "Saulabi Joystick Manager" (for the PC USB sticks), from Korean into English. I can make the hacked executable available if need be.

Looks like they have a new version of the software out now, gonna get started on translating that one too. :)

post now :D

[Switch Blade]

Does anybody know, if Saulabi is planning to bring out a PS3 stick? I really need one ^^

[laugh]

SCEK is working on releasing the Korean version of PS3 right now. So when it does come out the possibility of a PS3 Saulabi might just go up a bit, but I'm worried the price for the Korean PS3's gonna be almost twice as expensive as what you can get it for in Japan these days.

[Xorcist]

post now :D

Screenshot Before (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/Korean.png) >>---> Screenshot After (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/English.png)

Done and done! Saulabi_English.zip (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/Saulabi_English.zip)

Works just like the normal program, let me know if it needs any tweaks and or fixes. Oh, and make sure to create a config directory under the application directory... otherwise you won't be able to save anything. :) You can simply replace the old Saulabi.exe with this one if you like, just rename it to match.

I gotta get rep for this one right... :)

[DH020]

i just bought my self Saulabi :wgrin:

[kill2this]

Anyone know of a convertor which would allow this to be used on xbox, been told the magicbox is no good :sad:
Or is it a pcb swap, if so anyone link me to a tutorial or advise me

[platinum_pinoy]

Dude, that commercial played like a porno.

[Xorcist]

kill2this: I believe Saulabi recommends (or at least ships an x-box version) with a XJoyBox Adapter, so there's a good chance it'll work 100%. Here's a reference link: XJoyBox (http://www.octapc.com.au/prod2710.htm)

P.S. Anyone try out my translated app for the USB stick? Just looking for some feedback, and whether or not I should go ahead an start translating the newer version, which is a bit more complex.

[kill2this]

Thanks xorcist ill get on the hunt for one of those..

[Takahashi0]

General Pics
Back of PCB (http://www.camaro327.com/Xorcist/Saulabi/SPS-3000_VerX_PCB.jpg)


Is there anyway to remove that Printed Circuit Board?
For now I am doing this:
Separating With Knife (http://www.flickr.com/photos/takahashi0/2370769275/)
I am not cutting it, I separate the pieces.
And I am getting the following result:
R2 Button Removed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/takahashi0/2370769087/)

This will be really hard to do for the other buttons.
Is there an easier way?
I assume there is, with the long warranty they dare to give it.
Maybe Saulabi got special tools.

If there is not I am considering of taking it out with brute force
and do a pad hack.
I really do not want to do that actually.

[Paik4Life]

Desolder them. That's really your only option...

~Paik

[Takahashi0]

You mean from the underside?
And wire it up once it is loose?

[Paik4Life]

Yeah desolder the buttons from the underside. That way they will come loose and you will have holes where you can wire up the other buttons.

~Paik

[Takahashi0]

How did I miss that option in my head?

Thank you Paik4Life!

[Bob Poundmax]

**Commits thread necrophilia**

I just got this for free and I was wondering, how the hell do you get this thing open? I dont want to break it open and destroy it because it feels like I can do that. I want to do a japanese parts/PCB swap on this stick. Thanks in advance.

[tl613]

**Commits thread necrophilia**

I just got this for free and I was wondering, how the hell do you get this thing open? I dont want to break it open and destroy it because it feels like I can do that. I want to do a japanese parts/PCB swap on this stick. Thanks in advance.

Remove the rubber bumpers on the bottom and there should be screws underneath. Be careful when taking the bottom off because there is a concrete block in there that may or may not be glued on well. Don't want that dropping on your feet.

[Zakuta]

Yeah, I'm looking to fit a sanwa in mine. After analyzing the insides, it seems as though this will be an EZ job, I just need to get a sanwa that's good for it (the K-stick shaft is longer than the sanwa I have, so I need to get a sanwa of even length or a bit longer for it to work out).

Can anyone recommend a type of sanwa I'll need for it?

And how do you take the front face off? I'm gonna replace it for a new powder painted metal one with a different layout, so I'm gonna need to prize that shit off the stick.

[kill2this]

what sanwa/semitsu buttons will fit without any case mod?
32s?

[EvilSamurai]

what sanwa/semitsu buttons will fit without any case mod?
32s?

The Seimitsu LS-32 is a stick. You can't put any Japanese buttons in without modifications. You can put Korean Crown-brand buttons in and might be able to put Happ buttons without modification.

[kill2this]

The Seimitsu LS-32 is a stick. You can't put any Japanese buttons in without modifications. You can put Korean Crown-brand buttons in and might be able to put Happ buttons without modification.

My bad, not having the stick infront of me I dont know what size the buttons are, I meant 30s not 32s ;/

By mods what do we mean Ive seen a few saulabis using sanwas

[tl613]

I think screw-in buttons will fit.

[EvilSamurai]

My bad, not having the stick infront of me I dont know what size the buttons are, I meant 30s not 32s ;/

By mods what do we mean Ive seen a few saulabis using sanwas

the button holes were enlarged. Korean buttons are 28mm. Japanese are 30mm. Crown buttons should fit with modification. happ are 1 1/8 inches and may fit. Your easiest option is to just buy some Crown buttons from laugh and maybe a few fanta sticks as shipping from korea will hurt.

[tl613]

Get some Crown snap-in buttons from laugh. They feel pretty similar to Sanwa buttons, just not as sensitive and with a little bit more resistance.

[kill2this]

Get some Crown snap-in buttons from laugh. They feel pretty similar to Sanwa buttons, just not as sensitive and with a little bit more resistance.

Pmed laugh so hopefully ill get a reply, being in the uk though i think i might die with customs fees

[EvilSamurai]

Pmed laugh so hopefully ill get a reply, being in the uk though i think i might die with customs fees

you should probably then order a bunch of fanta sticks and extra buttons as shipping from korea will kill you. Order extra now so you will not have to pay it more than once (Fanta sticks and Crown buttons are cheaper than Sanwa and Happ parts too). You also should put a new PCB in the Saulabi too as on their pcbs the buttons connect directly to the circuit board.

[kill2this]

you should probably then order a bunch of fanta sticks and extra buttons as shipping from korea will kill you. Order extra now so you will not have to pay it more than once (Fanta sticks and Crown buttons are cheaper than Sanwa and Happ parts too). You also should put a new PCB in the Saulabi too as on their pcbs the buttons connect directly to the circuit board.


ps1 ds pcbs already in so thats not a problem, is there anywhere else yopu kno of to get crowns if laugh doesnt get back to me ?

[Sanjuro_The_Ronin]

Bump

I just bought the Saulabi Online Black Stick from play-asia.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-1i-49-en-70-16qs.html

I'm having a problem though. When I try to configure the stick the buttons act like there not being pressed at all. Is there something wrong with that particular stick or is there something i'm missing.

edit: also when I try to find the directions of the stick, it says up is right, down is up, left is down, and right is left. WTF???

[djfrijoles]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151613
Post number 33 of this same thread is teh ticket. Get at me on MSN if you need anymore help.
The Saulabi takes the plce of the keyboard through the programm. The prog. has to be running to use teh stick.
Save your config. and the prog. should autostart when you turn on your PC.
There some pre set configs. in the prog. if it comes down to it. select one and look at where they are mapped to and set your mapping according to that through your emu.

[Sanjuro_The_Ronin]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=151613
Post number 33 of this same thread is teh ticket. Get at me on MSN if you need anymore help.
The Saulabi takes the plce of the keyboard through the programm. The prog. has to be running to use teh stick.
Save your config. and the prog. should autostart when you turn on your PC.
There some pre set configs. in the prog. if it comes down to it. select one and look at where they are mapped to and set your mapping according to that through your emu.

Thanks man, I got it to work perfectly. Lets try to get some games in later tonight.:woot:

[djfrijoles]

I got your back ese!:tup:
At work right now but I'll look for you when I get home.

[The Furious One]

I've just seen the play-asia site, they are selling the Saulabi 4000.

I'd love to have this stick but I need one that works on PC and Xbox360? :sad:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-1i-49-en-15-arcade+stick-70-22b8.html

[Takahashi0]

How can I remove the markings without painting over it?
I will keep painting as a last resort.

It is because I want to change the button lay-out and prevent confusion.

[RockCho]

Best way is to sand it off with a fine grade sandpaper and then paint over it. The markings will still rise a little bit even if you do paint over them, unless you use a VERY thick layer of paint.

[Takahashi0]

Could we make this topic the general Saulabi thread?

Does anyone know what specific colour my top panel has got?
I think it is some kind of gun metal.

I got pictures of it here:
Saulabi SPS-1000 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/takahashi0/sets/72157604272512326/)

[Chknwtrmelln]

lol i need powerful game.

[Z4nGi3f]

Yeah I want one of these sticks! Much prefer these sticks to the normal ball end sticks. Where would be the best place to buy one in the UK? Someone please tell me.