Monster - The most awesome doujin fighting game yet?

[Xiii]

Don't need to be on the network screen. You only need to enable Wait in the network screen and then you can do anything. All challenges will automatically interrupt what you're doing and bring you to the character select screen.

[Dandy J]

Stop Interruping My Game Before I Can Get To The Netowrk Screen

Im Just Trying To Get Into Trainign Mode


>:[

[escobuu]

GGs smacks. Nice Siely, it was hard to get out of the corner.

edit: GGs Pkay? Lag was getting annoying.

[Clear Sky]

Hey dandy...you need to disable wait mode in Network mode.

[smacks]

ggs to everyone i played tonight


i think i need to learn a dmg dealing char lol

[FallingEdge]

(im bigrig btichdick)

I won't even say gg cause you kicked my ass every single time.

Just... other.

...

:wonder:

[D'Nyc3]

I can't download the game.. link is dead..

[Turbovec]

Sorry about sitting there idle, I must have left the game on before I left for my friend's place. Sorry, I'll be home soon.

[Leebee Link]

lol I was wondering about that Turbo.

Goddamn i hate Othello. Fucking legs.

Pretty soon it's gonna be time for the big dog.

[krost]

GG's Dandy J.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Still #1 Delga on SRK. But I'm teaching the others. Fullmetal is getting real good. Watch it...Grabs and Rocks for everyone!

Tranquility is great. Fullscreen Rocks with slight autoguard on start-up. So you won't be seeing any Freedom combos from me. But I got a nice Tranq combo now.

And I guess you can interrupt people. Just never happened to me before.

[10x]

Can't get this game to work on my comp...just gives me some error when i try to run the .exe...

I don't get passed the splash screen...anyone else have this problem?

[Emil]

Man I need to get in some matches, almost everyone I try to play freezes the game wheN i connect.

Edit: SuicidalGrandpa, I can't seem to connect to you.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

Man I need to get in some matches, almost everyone I try to play freezes the game wheN i connect.

Edit: SuicidalGrandpa, I can't seem to connect to you.

Yeah, I might be behind a firewall or I might not have the correct port open. I don't know how to open ports, so until someone shares that info with me...dunno if anybody will be able to :sweat:

[escobuu]

GGs to Omerta, S1lence and Rioting Soul. Tranquility Ryuogen is something else.

Still #1 Delga on SRK. But I'm teaching the others. Fullmetal is getting real good. Watch it...Grabs and Rocks for everyone!

Tranquility is great. Fullscreen Rocks with slight autoguard on start-up. So you won't be seeing any Freedom combos from me. But I got a nice Tranq combo now.

And I guess you can interrupt people. Just never happened to me before.

I want to play you. We are both in NC but everytime I challenge you it doesn't go through.

[Turbovec]

I still proud myself on having the worst Othello on SRK. :D

[Dandy J]

OK let's see if I can remember all these names...

ggs to ace_uno, Mr. Edge, magus12345, krost, Hyuga, Leebee...I think that's all.

While I dunno about the quality of the game overall, the online matchmaking component is really nice. The netcode is a bit bleh (as well as the balance :O), but the game is pretty fun.

Now if you guys have no problem being labeled as furries, why not play some EFZ as well and be labeled as pedophiles as well?

[SuicidalGrandpa]

GGs to R, and the last guy I was playing from SRK (Forgot name) My bad on leaving the second match, had some chores and I was gettin' yelled at :sweat:

And Turbovec, did we play or are you the one who was sitting with the game open but not doing anything?

[MAGUS1234]

GG's guys.


ryogga cc's are nutty, dude did like 80% on me. he;s like A-bison

[-=KOH=-]

Hey, Magus sorry for ditching on our game, I couldn't see you in the IRC chat.
I was already supposed to be in a match.

=0 Sorry.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

Wait, is there an IRC for matchmaking?

[-=KOH=-]

Yeah, there is EFnet , channel #8105Monster

[MAGUS1234]

ohh Ill be on the channel next time... diidnt know about it.

ps: orju absurd is gey

[SuicidalGrandpa]

Ah, thanks for the link, Koh.

[escobuu]

GGs Turbovec... should've saved more replays.

[Omerta]

GGs to Esco, Lilman, SuicidalGrandpa and hellhound7 tonight. Laggy as fuck, but still super fun :tup:

[Emil]

For some reason when I joined kuma-okami's game, it asked me to plug in my stick...why is this, especially since I've never been using a stick to begin with?

Edit: Doren2k, download the 1.0a patch.

[hellhound7]

GGs Omerta. super fun indeed!
GGs to Kuma Okami as well. Great connection, had a lot of fun.

[Darkstalker]

I played my firs match! Against a Delga player from Japan, I think. If you see this, thanks for the game. If not, sorry, but the lag was atrocious.

I like my victory though. :D

EDIT: Fought another player, a Siely one. I think the lag affected both of us, as our comboes both seemed incomplete. I know mine was (though the guy did pull one pretty cool corner combo at the end, that was quite damaging). I'm definitely happy I can now connect to some people.

PS - I'm the white coloured Freedom Rail player, with the same screenname as here. I wonder if I could put an SRK at the end like most of you do? :D

[Emil]

I played my firs match! Against a Delga player from Japan, I think. If you see this, thanks for the game. If not, sorry, but the lag was atrocious.

I like my victory though. :D

EDIT: Fought another player, a Siely one. I think the lag affected both of us, as our comboes both seemed incomplete. I know mine was (though the guy did pull one pretty cool corner combo at the end, that was quite damaging). I'm definitely happy I can now connect to some people.

PS - I'm the white coloured Freedom Rail player, with the same screenname as here. I wonder if I could put an SRK at the end like most of you do? :D

Host up the game, let's see how much it lags...

But beating a japanese player...nonsense. We already know they are gods.

[Turbovec]

GGs to Riot. Man, I can't believe I pulled off that 23 hitter corner combo. Too bad I still lost the match. XD

[Darkstalker]

Host up the game, let's see how much it lags...

But beating a japanese player...nonsense. We already know they are gods.

Well, I got my ass beat by the Siely Jap player...I won one round but that's it. The first and last rounds I lost by like...a half bar margin. :(

How do I host a game? I'll try later, need to go buy stuff for my work in a minute.

Yes, I totally suck at figuring out online games.

[Emil]

Well, I got my ass beat by the Siely Jap player...I won one round but that's it. The first and last rounds I lost by like...a half bar margin. :(

How do I host a game? I'll try later, need to go buy stuff for my work in a minute.

Yes, I totally suck at figuring out online games.

To host, you change the Wait to Enabled and then wait for someone to join the game.

[Rioting Soul]

GGs to Riot. Man, I can't believe I pulled off that 23 hitter corner combo. Too bad I still lost the match. XD

You absolutely were NOT gonna let me do Orju's Absurd. Lol, and when I finally got the chance, I accidentally shift instead.

EDIT: When playing against Orju, don't give him room to get Enchant Circle up. His dp(without shift or enchant) has no invincibility and is slow so you can stuff it. Without shift or enchant, Orju's options are serverely limited.

[Emil]

You absolutely were NOT gonna let me do Orju's Absurd. Lol, and when I finally got the chance, I accidentally shift instead.

I hate when that happens...shifting instead of doing Siely's absurd cost me two matches before.

Edit: Speaking of which, I just found out you can do her absurd in the air...and more specifically, cancelled from a qcb+B. So, if they are in the corner, doing qcb+B, cancel to absurd will totally lock them in.

[MiLky]

Tried online for my first time tonight, lagged bad with a Japanese guy, that had perfect timing at half speed...

And then I think it was (edit: TGS not esco) (rushdown Othello) I played a few with, got owned pretty hard. Game seems fun, just need to learn it better I guess. Delga tranq eh spooty? Will give that mode a try. Just seems learning Delga is tough against someone good at rushdown, even with just light lag, it's hard to be patient and get in when you need to.

Man I'm a scrub at this so far.

[TGS]

GG's to magus1234, one of the toughest Orthello's I've played so far...

[MAGUS1234]

gg's to tgs

thx man you wouldnt think that tranq Orthello would be any good..lol. the blood spill dash into unblockable seemed like it worked once in a while. I was getting really frustrated by sielly, mp and backdash where like the only things that interrupt her gaps(and not all the time either). Good shit man.

funny matches- http://files.filefront.com//;6646220;;/
http://files.filefront.com//;6646203;;/

[Emil]

Sorry DandyJ, for some unusual reason my buttons were set incorrectly during that fight, even though I had never chnaged them. Wait up.

[Doren2k]

I played against people online today. I had alot of laggy connection tonight i'll probally try again tomorrow.

[Kuma-okami]

GGs to Kuma Okami as well. Great connection, had a lot of fun.

GGs to you too, I'm going to have bad dreams about magic boomerangs tonight

[Shizuma_15]

damn barely got this looks fun cant wait to play :devil:

and im pretty sure im gonna want to play you guys so whats a good time you peeps usually play? :wgrin:

[Dandy J]

ggs to emil

this game is pretty fun

[Emil]

ggs to emil

this game is pretty fun

Yeah ggs, my power went out in that last match. I'm starting to get bored of Siely...

[MiLky]

GG's to whatever Othello player I just played for the last hour. I think you got a couple more games than me, but it was pretty close. Fun times, starting to like this game.

Good netcode, west coast plays pretty good for me, usually I get nowhere that's playable.

Spooty, like the tranq rocks full screen, adds more spacing game to Delga.

Weird, I seem to be enjoying this.

[Xenozip.]

Ok, so I downloaded HyperCam (Thanks Nocturne), downloaded VirtualDub, and downloaded a whole bunch of codecs via downloads for Windows Media Player 9, and Windows Media Encoder, and DivX player, and DivX encoder.

However, I still can not properly compress video. And ideas why?

All the codecs I try using in VirtualDub fail, including Windows Media 9 (says I need VCM, wtf?). And the ones that work screw up the video quality tremendously, either by turning the gamma down so low you can't see anything, or by making the screen incredibly splotchy and jacked up.

I've tried all I can think of and I'm about ready to give up. I already have captured video -- I have a video file -- I JUST need to compress it to a reasonable size so I can upload it to YouTube.

Any suggestions?

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Spooty, like the tranq rocks full screen, adds more spacing game to Delga.

I told you. And don't forget that the qcb+A chain hits the whole length of the chain (instead of just the blade) in tranq mode. If you need Delga tips then just ask. Also, since you play Degla I have to challenge you to a duel. So if you get a chance to play tomorrow night then join the IRC chat and look for me there.

Good luck. Delga is a tough mother fucker.

Oh, before I forget. Combo...

Tranq Command Grab Combo:

hcf+A xx jump, j.A, j.B, land, A, B, dash A, dp+B, Shift, Jump, j.A, j.B, Land, A, B, dash A, dp+B.

I know a stronger one, but too hard to use during lag (and hard in general). So if you know a better combo that has a good damage-to-difficulty ratio; then let me know.

[MiLky]

I told you. And don't forget that the qcb+A chain hits the whole length of the chain (instead of just the blade) in tranq mode. If you need Delga tips then just ask. Also, since you play Degla I have to challenge you to a duel. So if you get a chance to play tomorrow night then join the IRC chat and look for me there.

Good luck. Delga is a tough mother fucker.

Oh, before I forget. Combo...

Tranq Command Grab Combo:

hcf+A xx jump, j.A, j.B, land, A, B, dash A, dp+B, Shift, Jump, j.A, j.B, Land, A, B, dash A, dp+B.

I know a stronger one, but too hard to use during lag (and hard in general). So if you know a better combo that has a good damage-to-difficulty ratio; then let me know.

I'm still playing old school style, the dial a combos are coming, but I'm not there yet. It's hard for me to time the extra j.a, j.b parts in combos with the lag so far. I use simpler combos as of now, and hope to branch out when I get the system down.

I did notice the chain hit in tranq, was it freedom that made your opponent move closer to you with it? I didn't like that, I like it to keep peeps away. So far I like tranq best, but I'm just starting.

I think Delga can be at a high tier with practice. The few invincible frames on command throw can start a nasty combo if you time it right during blocking a rushdown. Just hard to time with lag, but I'm sure we will all learn when to throw it proper in due time.

<-- still a scrub, but having fun regardless.

[Xenozip.]

Arrg, even when I compress a movie with Windows Movie Maker the video comes out super dark, as if it's gamma setting was lowered a whole lot.

What the hell?

[SuicidalGrandpa]

The keyboard is bloody clunky for this game, but I gotta get used to it.

[Turbovec]

Arrg, even when I compress a movie with Windows Movie Maker the video comes out super dark, as if it's gamma setting was lowered a whole lot.

What the hell?

It seems you finally got it working tho. You managed to post my combo and it looked fine. :D

[Xenozip.]

It seems you finally got it working tho. You managed to post my combo and it looked fine. :D

No, I didn't get it working.

[Emil]

Has anyone fought the Japanese players with like 650 wins and 100 losses and has replays?

[Leebee Link]

I played two rounds with one of them. The lag was terrible so the guy dropped. We both won 1 round each, so that made me pretty happy (gogogo Aleksandr). I probably would've gotten raped in the third round though.

[Deadpool135]

Few questions hope no one asked before:

Should I keep the "wait" on enable or disable? wats the difference?

When I try to challenge people that are "open" the game just sits still for a while and nothing happens, is this because they have the "wait" on the wrong option?

When I change the buttons in options or before a match they are never changed...wtf is up with this?

[Alucard20]

can i use a ps2 pad with this game?

[Emil]

Few questions hope no one asked before:

Should I keep the "wait" on enable or disable? wats the difference?

From what I understand, if Wait is not on, then no one is going to join your game.

When I try to challenge people that are "open" the game just sits still for a while and nothing happens, is this because they have the "wait" on the wrong option?

Same thing happens to me, it seems to be related to them having firewalls and not opening ports, or possibly something else. I can't play with more than half the people (and no, I have no firewall, no wireless, nothing).

When I change the buttons in options or before a match they are never changed...wtf is up with this?

If you join someone else's game, the game will use Player 2's button settings...so you have to set them both.

[Deadpool135]

Yes you can use ps2 pad with this game, I asked a long time ago and thats what other people told me, but hopefully you dont have a problem with changing the buttons like I do.


What Im saying about the changing buttons is that: I try to change both player 1 and player 2 buttons and they are always on the default no matter what. I cant even change them in 1 player modes, their ALWAYS on default for some reason.

Thanks for answerin questions

[Xenozip.]

GG's WonderTonic. I had to split.

[D'Nyc3]

WTF! When I goto Network mode it freezes!!!

Any help?!

[Deadpool135]

Can anyone ele answer my questions from above, lookin for more input on em?

It freezes if you click network too fast, dont click anything when you turn on game until everything stops moving. When you highlight network dont click it until everything stops moving. That works for me everytime, but when I get too cocky and start clicking too fast I have to restart my whole cpu. Hopefully that solves it.

[MAGUS1234]

did you lookin the monsterfolder and use the config ICON? not the ingame option.

[XAQshinor]

ggs Xiii, sry for the random exit i think my comp went idle or something

[Xiii]

It's cool, GG. Your Rail is good, but hate that light beam spam. God damn, I gotta find a way to power break your spirits more often. Lost most of the matches because I was just figuring out how to break you through your spirits.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I went to that portforward stuff but I'm almost completely computer-dumb, so if anyone has a simple way of explaining how to open ports and such, I'd appreciate it.

(I'm on wireless cable)

[Shizuma_15]

WTF! When I goto Network mode it freezes!!!

Any help?!
kinda same problem with network too whats the diff between intrude and ip intrude? cause i cant click on intrude. :sweat:

[WonderTonic]

GGS Xenozip.

Man that Orju is no joke, pretty damn consistent man. Hope to get more matches with you.

GGs to Humbag and the Dragon Something guy from CA with the nice Freedom Rail i wish our connection was a bit better but it may have just made my beating a bit worse.

[MAGUS1234]

damn cant connect....to anyone. Well for some reason jpn servers always connect...lol

[Shin Touyokouzan]

GGS Xenozip.

Man that Orju is no joke, pretty damn consistent man. Hope to get more matches with you.

GGs to Humbag and the Dragon Something guy from CA with the nice Freedom Rail i wish our connection was a bit better but it may have just made my beating a bit worse.

Oh shit nigga you on this too. Good shit nig. Join my irc room scrub!

[hellhound7]

GGS Xenozip.

Man that Orju is no joke, pretty damn consistent man. Hope to get more matches with you.

GGs to Humbag and the Dragon Something guy from CA with the nice Freedom Rail i wish our connection was a bit better but it may have just made my beating a bit worse.

That was me :) GGs to you too man, I had a blast. Damn Lag!

[Rhio2k]

Wondertonic: Great game. Kept me having to mix things up in new ways. Um...what happened at the end? De-synch?

[Deadpool135]

I wanna play for like 50 mins, anyone up for battling me for a while? No ones available currently =(

[DAWOLF57]

Hey I cant get this to work, I tried installing jap fonts but there were two errors and I still cant run the program.

Any of you guys know what needs to be done?

[KING]

this is a fun game. gg's Rhio2k. i'm a bonafide scrub, if you couldn't tell. :)

[Rhio2k]

Eh, don't worry, you still put up a good fight. You'll get better. Tonight seemed to be a royalty theme for me. First I fought you, then Your Majesty. GGs YM, but I had to go. I still have to cook lunch for tomorrow.

[Deadpool135]

Good games Rhio2k, I realized I definetly need to train more after playin you. Dang that dude you have is strong, Im layin 10 hit combos and taking the same damage as one of your punches haha. Did you see that crazy crossup I did on accident with a super that went behind you while you were still blockin one of my moves below!?!?! I need to figure out how to do that lol.

This game rocks!

[Rhio2k]

LOL yeah, once the crossups strated I was all "Okay...other si-oh, shit." I would buy this shit for ps2...online ps2 fighter, with ps2 players able to fight pc users? hmmm...I will definitely bust my ass trying to get a full copy when this game is finished.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I could never connect to Rhio2k :( Maybe that's good though, seeing as how he's been beasting.

[hellhound7]

GGs Pkay. sorry I had to leave but the lag killed it. Rail is very annoying to fight against! Sorry Xiii, I realize this now. Also Pkay After you picked him I tried not to spam so much :)

[GimmeThemShoes]

GG's Angry lobster. Flawless connection, we gotta play some more. :tup:

[escobuu]

Why can you never connect with some people but always connect to others? How do I fix this?

and GGs to Gabo and krost. The lag was too much though.

[berserkotaku45]

just started playing this game today, its real fun but for some reason i can't connect to anyone. i open port 2300 and updated the game and i still can't connect

[Xenozip.]

For those who haven't looked recently, I've been updating the other thread with match videos:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=125722

If you have some good match replays that you would like put up on youtube, you can PM me or e-mail them to me at xenozip@gmail.com with the subject "monster"

[Deadpool135]

Dont worry if you cant connect to people berserk, everyone is having the same problem. I think it may have to do with the other people not enabling the wait function. It doesnt even connect like 3/4'ths of the time for me.

[berserkotaku45]

yeah its pisses me off but i'll keep trying

[Xenozip.]

Hopefully the next patch will fix a lot of these network issues. Won't be long now.

[DAWOLF57]

Anyone else have trouble installing jap fonts?

[AzN_Skater]

SuicidalGranpa: Something was messed up during our games, it got ridiculous choppy on my side.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

SuicidalGranpa: Something was messed up during our games, it got ridiculous choppy on my side.

Jeah, I noticed that too. Each match, I got an amazingly long lag spike where I would see a frame then...another random frame a few seconds later. It was pretty fucked up man, GG's anyway.

[AzN_Skater]

That dude you were using does so much damage lol. I think I hit you about 10x more than you hit me, but I was a little bitch that does no damage haha.

[MOD]

since im lazy and this has probably been brought up before but...

Why am I stuck at network. Is it a router issue or....?

edit: also why do I have v1.0 and not 1.0a WTF

[Emil]

Install the update here:

http://4070.jp/8105/

[MOD]

Oh i got it but I can't seem to connect with anyone

I can see them there on Network, but when I press ok the game just seems like it stops what gives....

Its extremely frustrating when it just sits there. I have no way of telling what is wrong.

[Emil]

Oh i got it but I can't seem to connect with anyone

I can see them there on Network, but when I press ok the game just seems like it stops what gives....

Its extremely frustrating when it just sits there. I have no way of telling what is wrong.

Yes we all have this problem...some people I just can't connect to. Just try and keep track of all the people that you can connect to, and play those people. They will probably fix this in the next release.

Does anyone know how to go into practice mode with an opponent? It's hard to test certain things with Man vs. Man, where I'm controlling both characters.

[Zaelar]

Sounds like you have player 1 and player 2 controlls set the same.

[Emil]

Sounds like you have player 1 and player 2 controlls set the same.

Um no, I mean if I want to test certain priorities of moves against other moves, I'm going to need someone else.

[MiLky]

Man i wish I was in a different timezone. Japanese are always laggy (or it's me), and they are the only ones up after I get off work. Seems only the west coast players and I get a good connection.

The good Japanese players, play good in lag and I get killed. The bad ones usually pick efleet and when I beat them 1st round they quit, and I get credited for a game played, but not one won. Not that I care about win/play ratio, but god damn if it doesn't remind me of why I quit playing CvS on XBox. Lag and quitters...

Loving the game though, having fun with Delga and starting to get a feel for it. Hope the new updates help the netcode a bit.

edit: Talk to the shok guy about people quitting. Just annoying that even after winning 2 rounds, people can quit and you get no win for it.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthre...29#post3602829

Tournament time bitches!

[Xenozip.]

My character is really a rat?

Haha awesome.

Or is it a cat or something?

[Zaelar]

Um no, I mean if I want to test certain priorities of moves against other moves, I'm going to need someone else.

Go into training mode, press 7, find someone to do the attacks you want to test..like your other hand if it isn't..."busy".

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Zar your playing this shit too?

[Rhio2k]

Shah, Good matches. I noticed you making definite progress as we played.

[AzN_Skater]

Okay, I think my network is cut out for netplay. My games are always choppy as fuck.

[Tea]

I'm still having trouble with the network stuff... Any suggestions?

[Emil]

Three reasonably good fights between me and rogueyoshi(especially match 6):

http://files.filefront.com/12007_VS_Sielyrogueyoshiv3rpy/;6656228;;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/12007_VS_Sielyrogueyoshiv4rpy/;6656249;;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/12007_VS_Sielyrogueyoshiv6rpy/;6656253;;/fileinfo.html

Xenozip, convert these to video if you think they're worthy.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I really, REALLY hope they fix the net code soon.

[Rhio2k]

Omerta, good game. Had me looking or openings (I think I found some...:devil:) and mixing up my pressure game.

[Emil]

Wtf...I finally somehow bypassed the connection problem with Rhio2k, and then he left before we started...what did you do to get it to connect in the first place? And for some reason it gave me the message "Please insert your stick"

[MAGUS1234]

I really, REALLY hope they fix the net code soon.

+1:annoy: :annoy:

someon start a server and give me thier IP...maybe that will work..

[Rhio2k]

GG Smacks...I kinda had to..."contain" you in that last round when I figured out my problem was not being aggressive enough.

[DAWOLF57]

Guy's, I still cant play this game, somebody help...

[MAGUS1234]

Guy's, I still cant play this game, somebody help...

whats tha problem? you got the game and the patch rite?

[DAWOLF57]

Yeah, it seems that I need the jap fonts but I downloaded those and there were two that were corrupt, so is there anyother way to get jap fonts?

[TheSix]

Okay, I just got this shit. My logitech controller works...too bad I can't figure out how to config.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I need to get some kind of USB controller, the keyboard sucks.

[MAGUS1234]

Yeah, it seems that I need the jap fonts but I downloaded those and there were two that were corrupt, so is there anyother way to get jap fonts?
configure in the monster folder thier isan icon that says configure/.

why do you need jap fonts? I dont have them?

[DAWOLF57]

I dont know, thats what the site said. what do you configure it too?

Whenever I open monster it only shows the company logo and then an error message and doesn't start.

[MAGUS1234]

I was answeering the guys question about controller configuration. set them to whatever you want its just
up down left rite light medium hard activate
going down in that order.

[AzN_Skater]

So do you guys ever get mad choppy when you play? Is that a network issue or a pc issue?

[Tea]

http://4070.jp/8105/
Dunno if these replays were posted yet. Sorry if they have been already. Pretty nice stuff and some glitches/bugs as well.

[smacks]

ggs


contain? was i in corner? cuz i alt tabbed :P

[SuicidalGrandpa]

We've got too many threads about this game goin' on at once.

[Dandy J]

For everyone having lag problems, the network is under maintenance in preperation for the upcoming patch.

<AImmortal> the net work might be undergoing some changes
<AImmortal> currently
<AImmortal> so if you play online
<AImmortal> dont get your hopes up about getting a good connection
<AImmortal> until everything is finished

[MAGUS1234]

ggs TO lebee, orju absurd is fucking hillarious

nm sorry i saw your name but entered an anonymous one...my bad

[Leebee Link]

lol did we play? What's your name man?

ggs anyways. Aleksandr ftw.

[fireballtrap]

I don't know if this is the right thread (but who the hell knows, since we have 3 of them on the front page?!), but is anyone using the DOA4 stick to play this? I tried dling JoyToKey for my PS2 to USB converter, but it wasn't working for some reason.

[Emil]

Another suggestion for the creators of the game...if their WIN/TOTAL statistic was supposed to have a purpose, it would be more meaningful if it said WIN/LOSS, because if you (or the opponent) drops from the game, it counts to the total, but makes it look like you lost that game. Also, some people think the second statistic actually means the losses, when it's actually the total.

[Xenozip.]

Updated the Orju section of the wiki http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Orju

You guys make sure to fill in some information about your characters too, ok? :)

The Japanese mook is up at: http://fifty50.hp.infoseek.co.jp/monster/

If you want help translating stuff, too bad. Use Google Translate (http://www.google.com/language_tools) and Jim Breen's JDIC (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html).

[Deadpool135]

Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread, well once again:

Good games Dandy, good connection too. Im in the midwest too. Hope Ill play you soon again. Ive got a lot to learn, dang you can really utilize that backdash invincibility dude.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Updated the Orju section of the wiki http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Orju

You guys make sure to fill in some information about your characters too, ok? :)

The patch should be out in less than a week. I'm waiting to put up anything 'till then.

[Deadpool135]

Why the heck am I able to pick the opponents character online now!!!??? I cant play anyone cause they cant pick who they wanna play?? Please help lol. this has never happened to me before.

Sorry if anyone thought I was hacking or something...this is crazy.

[Emil]

Why the heck am I able to pick the opponents character online now!!!??? I cant play anyone cause they cant pick who they wanna play?? Please help lol. this has never happened to me before.

Not sure what you mean but I noticed the server is acting weird...possible server maintenance and patching issues.

[smacks]

this just in: aim popups are annoying during play.....




also spamming esc to get rid of them kinda kills monster connection > >


(sorry lurk)

[Xenozip.]

The patch should be out in less than a week. I'm waiting to put up anything 'till then. Yeah, but I doubt the move names will change. :)

[Deadpool135]

Ya but the new moves could really change a lot of things for every character.

[XAQshinor]

ggs rhio2k. nice katze

[Emil]

Sorry peek-at-you(?), it was too laggy to play.

[Xenozip.]

Ya but the new moves could really change a lot of things for every character.

Who said anything about new moves? Nothing is confirmed until the patch is released (except that they are definitely working on the net code).

[Emil]

OMG, I see Shok using 1.0b.

[Demon Dash]

So I was in here before and there was a post with loads of match videos, but I can't find it again... What page was it on?

[Emil]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=125722

[Deadpool135]

OH dang Emil, I see it too. First person to find it wins my heart. Lets hope its for real though.

[MagnetGenocide]

While looking for IIDX keysounded simfiles i found simulationstyle.com that site is the good!!! <333

[Zaelar]

OMG, I see Shok using 1.0b.

I saw as well.

But still, SS or it didn't happen~

[Shin Touyokouzan]

he hasnt released it yet calm down. He was testing it.

[Emil]

Edit: Nevermind.......

[Shin Touyokouzan]

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/biosphere/update_mnstprd_100b.exe

update time bitches

[Xiii]

NO! 449 IS GONE! TEARS OF PAIN BESTOWED ON ME BY THIS HORRIBLE HORRRRRIBLE UPDATE x_x That and it seems like it's harder to do air juggles/combos now. Characters seem to fall faster.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

yeah ill post a alit of general changes

449 is gone
you can block at the end of back dashes and apperently shift IS a burst feature so i was correct the first time. But its pretty limited as well
um... Gravity in the game is much different.
almost if not all the loops in the game are gone(this also means any infinites as well) so it now requires more skill to do combos instead of instantly easy damage.

Over all i actually like the update.

[Demon Dash]

The new Absurd logo is terrible...

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Yeah it is lol. Ill have to tell him about that

[Xiii]

Also seems like everybody has less health. I did a 6500 damage combo on Katze and Ryuogen and they were left with 1/4th their life left.

[Demon Dash]

Siely's j.qcb+B has become more unpredictable...

[Silent Shinobi]

How do you install the update? Its in the folder of Monster but I still dont see a difference.

[XAQshinor]

RAIL SUcKS NOW
D;

[Demon Dash]

How do you install the update? Its in the folder of Monster but I still dont see a difference.
Just double click on the exe and let it do it's thing... After that just play...

Another change, there are no more arial rapid fire attacks...

[Silent Shinobi]

Also I think theres something wrong with the castle night stage. It looks like psychadelic and shit in training mode. But this version B is ok since I dont use anyone with a full-fledged infinite lol.

Edit: They changed Orju's backdash. It looks better.

[Demon Dash]

To me it seems the damage scaling is too strong. A simple super combo with Siely, qcb+C, qcb+C, qcb+C does roughly 4500 damage. It appears to be a legit super combo as the 3rd qcb+C is like a hidden ender you can't do otherwise. If we however do qcb+C, C, qcb+C, C, qcb+C those extra two fierces make practically no difference what so ever, as you can see in this replay.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OBU22D3U

Imo the damage scaling takes effect too early and is too potent in places it shouldn't be. Siely has great combo potential, but because of this it becomes obsolete. That three super combo is her strongest super, if you've spent the time to build the meter, it should be worth comboing into it... But it's not. The more hits you add on, the lesser damage the combo does, which in fighting game terms, doesn't make sense. Damage scaling should always reduce the damage to below each figure seperately, but never less than the super alone.

Of course this doesn't example the whole of the game, but the principle is still there. Saving supers should be rewarding, not making your combos obsolete.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I can see where your problem is, I cant say much on it because I dont directly make the game. I am simply a translator lol. But I do agree that the damage becames a problem way too early in combos. Most of this patch however. I dont mind at all. Shok was working really hard to even out the damage. Maybe it was so that people use level 1 supers more. I honestly dont know his intention of lowering the super damage as mucha s he did. But we shall see when i get answers regarding this

[FullMetalRoss]

Just some quick notes for stuff with Delga since I only played for a few minutes when I woke up.

Because of the new increased gravity follow ups to throw are harder... I couldn't get a consistent j.a,j.b aftewards, an I'm guessing unless the timing is really strict j.a,j.b land, st.a xx j.a,j.b doesn't work. The best I got consistently was the old command grab immediate st.c xx j.a,j.b, st.a,st.b, 66a xx dp...

Because of the way he fixed the infinite, chain seems even worse than before, it's like the hitbox got even more fucked up and hits for less time, sad....

Also I was in training mode and did my absurd, and after that I didn't seem to be getting any shift back? is that normal?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

yeah thats normal. AFter one absurd your meter is gone.. Like instant kill in gg

[Xenozip.]

I am simply a translator lol.
You're a messenger, not a translator. Big difference.

I'm still having desync problems, so I guess no online play for me.

Sighhh.h... :bluu:

[Shin Touyokouzan]

You're a messenger, not a translator. Big difference.

I'm still having desync problems, so I guess no online play for me.

Sighhh.h... :bluu:

Um no. I am translating this game into english. If you would like to see the log i still have it. And yeah there is a big difference. Me being a TRANSLATOR of the game <_<

[Xenozip.]

With what? Google translate?

Please tell me you're going to try and find some one who can actually read Japanese and can actually translate.

[Leebee Link]

Most of the changes seem sound, but loss of 449 makes me really sad. It's going to give my aleksandr problems. I also don't like how absurds get rid of your shift meter after using it unless they buffed the damage on them or something.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

With what? Google translate?

Please tell me you're going to try and find some one who can actually read Japanese and can actually translate.

My fiance speaks and reads japanese perfectly fine. So I dont have to find anything <_<. I dont know what your problem is <_<

[Demon Dash]

So what's the point of Siely having a powerful super that can only be done of burning three stocks? Does anyone else have them?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

So what's the point of Siely having a powerful super that can only be done of burning three stocks? Does anyone else have them?

I honestly dont have an answer for you man. I wish I did. But yeah everyone else i believe has the same thing as siely with the 214 c supers.

Xenozip: check your pm's. I sent you the log

[rogueyoshi]

So what's the point of Siely having a powerful super that can only be done of burning three stocks? Does anyone else have them?
I honestly dont have an answer for you man. I wish I did. But yeah everyone else i believe has the same thing as siely with the 214 c supers.

Xenozip: check your pm's. I sent you the log
those supers have ABSURD properties. for example, at point blank range, siely can deal 99.9%(it would kill if the game would allow chip damage deaths) of a life bar when its blocked, but around 20% when it hits.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

those supers have ABSURD properties. for example, at point blank range, siely can deal 99.9%(it would kill if the game would allow chip damage deaths) of a life bar when its blocked, but around 20% when it hits.

No i think he was refering to the 214c x3 supers not her actual absurd. Which yes, Is extremely good on block

[Xenozip.]

My fiance speaks and reads japanese perfectly fine. So I dont have to find anything <_<. I dont know what your problem is <_< I don't have a problem, I didn't know you already knew some one who could read Japanese. How was I supposed to know, you never exactly offered that information despite me saying that we need a translator more than once. I've said it numerous times and you never mentioned anyone, so what was I supposed to think?

Actually, I do have a problem, I have no idea how to fix this desyncing problem. If I seem agitated then that's why -- people have been trying to help me and I've done all I can think of as well, and it still desyncs randomly. I go out and buy a new computer and this is what I get. Great. :|

[Master Chibi]

Xeno Needs A Hug~

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I don't have a problem, I didn't know you already knew some one who could read Japanese. How was I supposed to know, you never exactly offered that information despite me saying that we need a translator more than once. I've said it numerous times and you never mentioned anyone, so what was I supposed to think?

Actually, I do have a problem, I have no idea how to fix this desyncing problem. If I seem agitated then that's why -- people have been trying to help me and I've done all I can think of as well, and it still desyncs randomly. I go out and buy a new computer and this is what I get. Great. :|

Well it wasnt confirmed at the time. So no i didnt suggest it lol. NO worries dude. ANyway. I will try to help you with your desync problem with i get home. And not to mention, She was in class at the time so she couldnt exactly help us too much lol

[Deadpool135]

Has anyone translated the moves list, if so where? If their not yet, I would be happy to translate them for all of you if you would want me to (I know Jap). Writing out qcb A, hcb B, etc can make it more confusing than it has to be; and the ones Ive looked at so far have memorable english names so we wont forget what they are. But of course Shin's fiance could also do this =0, and probly others.

With Siely now, will people have to drop using dashing C as an overhead, nothing good is really connecting anymore? It seems the only descent overhead now is with B, or should I stick to C to mixup up with grab or low afterwards?

I was playing a Siely player either yesterday or 2 days ago, before this latest update, and he did a huge special with tons of icicles from the top of the map to the bottom coming at me. How do I do this?? I was thinking it had to do with Absurd or something, but I cant pull it off. It looks like it would be the move at the very bottom of her move list (translates to blizzard), but those arent even out yet? Please any help here.

With Aleksandr now, after you do the crossup move and you press A rapidly you will end up jabbing the wrong way and will be backwards ready to get punished =(. Just a side note.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

check the wiki <3

As for the overhead with siely. I think its still useful the only way you get anything to connect after it is to hit meaty. and even that is hard lol. You can still use it but following up isnt too good now =(

[Demon Dash]

Maybe if the third super wasn't damage scaled it would be worth using...

[Emil]

Maybe if the third super wasn't damage scaled it would be worth using...

I can do 7600 damage with that combo. It actually uses 4 supers, but one of the level three ones (that you are talking about). The last super doesn't really make much of a difference. Adding B, C in the air after every qcb+C, and a B, C on the ground before the next qcb+C, does beat the damage scaling.

[Deadpool135]

Hmm, it seems I misunderstood what absurd specials were, but now I understand. But this is strange it sais Siely's Absurd is 214214+C on the wiki, but this does not activate it for me? That is 2 qcb C's correct? Does the word absurd have to be on the screen or can I be charged up and than do it, either way I try it wont let me do it?

[Emil]

It's qcbx2+Activate.

Edit: So...is the netplay fixed?

[Deadpool135]

Ahh thank you very much Emil, someone may want to change that on the wiki.
Ive been having less netplay problems, but still like most of the people I couldnt play before I still cant play. But theres a few more I can play now =). Probly the same way for everyone else.

[Spoonz]

man my lag is terrible :(

sorry to whoever it was I was playing i think it was archon ?

[Emil]

man my lag is terrible :(

sorry to whoever it was I was playing i think it was archon ?

Oh you're in Trinidad...that might be problematic.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Ahh thank you very much Emil, someone may want to change that on the wiki.
Ive been having less netplay problems, but still like most of the people I couldnt play before I still cant play. But theres a few more I can play now =). Probly the same way for everyone else.

everyone has been having alot less net problems. So I think that net play has been improved but there are still things that need to be worked on.

[MAGUS1234]

It wont let me get onto the net? any help?

there is just a grey block with no text besides the options on the left, only thing I can do is wait enable or dis...

it says net connection failed at the top

[SuicidalGrandpa]

Woohoo update!

Edit: Darn, seems like they scaled down the absurd damage on Ryuogen's qcf super.
Still can't connect to anybody but that's ok I guess.

[bardinfalsegod]

Does anybody play or do you guys just sit in the lobby lol? Nobody will accept my invites.

[KING]

Woohoo update!

Edit: Darn, seems like they scaled down the absurd damage on Ryuogen's qcf super.
Still can't connect to anybody but that's ok I guess.

what update? :confused:

[Darkstalker]

RAIL SUcKS NOW
D;

How much different is it for him? Short of backdashing and no more indefinite air shift awesomeness, I don't see much.

Wait, I see... Qcf + B has been nerfed hard. While your recovery is more or less the same, you can't follow up with another almost immediately after one.

[MAGUS1234]

Damn I think the new code wont let my com[p connect to the network....hrmm

[Darkstalker]

.....Tranquility shift can now shift OUT OF JUGGLES. O_O

[Emil]

.....Tranquility shift can now shift OUT OF JUGGLES. O_O

I'm pretty sure all of them are able to do this.

[N_paul]

Hmm, it seems I misunderstood what absurd specials were, but now I understand. But this is strange it sais Siely's Absurd is 214214+C on the wiki, but this does not activate it for me? That is 2 qcb C's correct? Does the word absurd have to be on the screen or can I be charged up and than do it, either way I try it wont let me do it?

Yeah, 214214+C was a typo. EDIT: Fixed.

[Darkstalker]

I'm pretty sure all of them are able to do this.

Really? I haven't been able to Freedom my way out of juggles yet. Maybe it's just me. =\

[Rhio2k]

WTF?! Somebody was controlling my shit! I think it was Roadapple. I selected network, and his name was under intrude, right above Enable/Disable, so I left, thinking it was a glitch. I came back and found lots of other people logged in like usual, but the somebody else was controlling who I wanted to challenge. i exited the game after that.

And has anybody tried putting their OWN IP in the IP sectin of the network screen?

[Emil]

WTF?! Somebody was controlling my shit! I think it was Roadapple. I selected network, and his name was under intrude, right above Enable/Disable, so I left, thinking it was a glitch. I came back and found lots of other people logged in like usual, but the somebody else was controlling who I wanted to challenge. i exited the game after that.

And has anybody tried putting their OWN IP in the IP sectin of the network screen?

Not sure if that is related, but I tried to chalenge someone, but for some odd reason it connected to another player which I did not intend to challenge.

[Rhio2k]

Dammit, Roadapple, you left when it was getting good.

[G@B0]

Dam i did the update minutes ago and I found that now u cant dash backwards with a jump like usually we did in 1.0a.
Now u make a dash without leaving the floor.
NO!! WHyy!! that advance technique is very useful and now its gone. I think I'll downgrade.

By the way, this game is the best doujin I have play in all the doujins that I have experimented.
And I have some matches to upload to youtube but first I have to record it with a program to record games and then upload right.

And I play online but only with a few ones and there was some guy that definitely beat me the first fight but after that I won the others. I want to play that guy again.
very good fight indeed.

[RenegadeFerret]

Oh Rhio2k, I was able to control myself and the opponent at 3 different occasions. I of course left the room hoping it would be fixed, but I had to restart my cpu to make it normal. It was freakin wierd, and if it happens to you just restart lol.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Just some quick notes for stuff with Delga since I only played for a few minutes when I woke up.

Because of the new increased gravity follow ups to throw are harder... I couldn't get a consistent j.a,j.b aftewards, an I'm guessing unless the timing is really strict j.a,j.b land, st.a xx j.a,j.b doesn't work. The best I got consistently was the old command grab immediate st.c xx j.a,j.b, st.a,st.b, 66a xx dp...

I messed around some and here is what I have for B&Bs off of throw. They might not be the most damaging (then again...they could be), but you have to maximize damage/hit when there is burst shift. And they still do over 4000.

With Tranq:

hcf+A xx slight movement forward xx B, dash B xx B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

With Monster:
hcf+A xx j.A, J.B, B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

Although...the Monster one has strict timing. The Tranq one is easy after a few tries.

[JubeiNinja69]

ok i'm a noob but i'm jumping in online.

so how do you connect anyway?

[MAGUS1234]

othello cockfest....fuck he is like the only playable character....

[Rhio2k]

GG Roadapple. Something no longer feels quite right about Katze...

[aqualung]

yeah gg's rhio, and turbo


pretty good connection to you guys, must play more often :looney:

[Darkstalker]

Connection sucks EVEN MORE now. :(

Played some guy named TAQ, but lag was affecting my game too much that I couldn't hit any BnBs, so I quit. If it's anyone here, sorry!

[Emil]

Why does Rail's f f+B hit as an overhead even though it clearly looks like a slide? I get hit by that way too often even though I'm reacting to the animation of it...

[Darkstalker]

If you look closely, he's actually rolling with his legs straight out (don't ask how). So in actuality, his legs are coming from high up, ergo it's an overhead.

[FullMetalRoss]

I messed around some and here is what I have for B&Bs off of throw. They might not be the most damaging (then again...they could be), but you have to maximize damage/hit when there is burst shift. And they still do over 4000.

With Tranq:

hcf+A xx slight movement forward xx B, dash B xx B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

With Monster:
hcf+A xx j.A, J.B, B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

Although...the Monster one has strict timing. The Tranq one is easy after a few tries.

Nice work spootz I'll try that ish when I get back home. good thing 66A seems still pretty good.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

good shit to rougeyoshi. Damn dude. I have been having a hard time getting readjusted to this shit. I got some work to do lol

[Doren2k]

rougeyoshi good games you raped the shit outta me lol. This was my first day trying out Rail so im still trying to learn stuff so i still sux. Good stuff though.

[Dandy J]

othello cockfest....fuck he is like the only playable character....
Othello got nerfed in the patch as well. His j.A crossup hitbox is way, way smaller now. His double jump straight up behind the opponent's head -> j.A game does not exist anymore, period. It will not hit, even on Delga. The crossup will only land from a normal jump-over, and it has to be timed much more accurately.

His dash B whiffs on crouching characters excluding bigs. Jump B has a smaller hitbox (at the angle above/in front of him at least). Also since every good Othello combo winds up going into bite or AA bite, they can all be shifted out of. The exclusion of 449 short hop also hurts him.

All in all I really like the changes made to this character, not only for balance with the rest of the cast, but with his other forms in relation to his changes and system changes as a whole;

M-Othello is still great, but since his crossup j.A is weaker, all his useful combos burstable, and 449 not existing, he doesn't revolve around constant raw damage/mixups anymore. The utilities of T/F have become more attractive in that respect.

T-Othello is now more useful since his unblockable bite will serve as a tool against the new ultra-safe backdash in the corner. I haven't tested yet, but hopefully the AA bite in this mode is easier to combo.

F-Othello can use AA bite as a short hop. Before he had 449, which was better anyway. Now this form has something unique that befefits him greatly.

[Emil]

Can you get powerbroken/hit out of the burst during your opponent's combo?

[MAGUS1234]

Othello got nerfed in the patch as well. His j.A crossup hitbox is way, way smaller now. His double jump straight up behind the opponent's head -> j.A game does not exist anymore, period. It will not hit, even on Delga. The crossup will only land from a normal jump-over, and it has to be timed much more accurately.

His dash B whiffs on crouching characters excluding bigs. Jump B has a smaller hitbox (at the angle above/in front of him at least). Also since every good Othello combo winds up going into bite or AA bite, they can all be shifted out of. The exclusion of 449 short hop also hurts him.

All in all I really like the changes made to this character, not only for balance with the rest of the cast, but with his other forms in relation to his changes and system changes as a whole;

M-Othello is still great, but since his crossup j.A is weaker, all his useful combos burstable, and 449 not existing, he doesn't revolve around constant raw damage/mixups anymore. The utilities of T/F have become more attractive in that respect.

T-Othello is now more useful since his unblockable bite will serve as a tool against the new ultra-safe backdash in the corner. I haven't tested yet, but hopefully the AA bite in this mode is easier to combo.

F-Othello can use AA bite as a short hop. Before he had 449, which was better anyway. Now this form has something unique that befefits him greatly.

dude honestly everyone got jipped waaay more than othello. I can still do the same lame shit with him that does half health. It dont take a rocket scientist to know that know that good range plus good mixup plus huge combos = best in thye game

[rogueyoshi]

dude honestly everyone got jipped waaay more than othello. I can still do the same lame shit with him that does half health. It dont take a rocket scientist to know that know that good range plus good mixup plus huge combos = best in thye game
his attacks have too much startup, they can be stuffed by many other characters.

[N_paul]

Is anyone else getting lag that makes matches unplayable? I was doing having supers come out after the opponent already landed on the ground when I was trying to do a simple hit confirm.

[FullMetalRoss]

oh hey I just played you I don't know what was up with that.. nearly everytime there would be a combo lag would spike... it was wierd. Oh GGs btw

[MAGUS1234]

GG's to I lurk

Of course you bounce when I play m,y best char. *shakes fingure*

dont pull in the middle of a match.

[MiLky]

The changes don't seem game breaking as far as I can see yet. I do miss the 449 with Delga, was a big part of his mix up. I have to play a more patient Delga now it seems, but maybe he's meant to be played that way. It was an easy move to monster from tranq after the patch, I think he benefits more from the extra damage now. I was leaning towards it anyway.

GG's to Kuma Okami, very even matches, good times. I like playing you west coasters, very playable. East coast just doesn't work at all, lag fest.

[MAGUS1234]

honestly the ga,e got trashed....why take away from characters that dont need rtakeing away from?

some of the absurds are completely useless...for characters that otherwise need them...

the game had a feel were every char had some usable strat....now I feel like you HAVE to play katze orth or siely...lame

[UnclePepe]

With Tranq:

hcf+A xx slight movement forward xx B, dash B xx B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

With Monster:
hcf+A xx j.A, J.B, B, dash A, dp+B, SHIFT, j.A, j.B, B, dash A, dp+B

Although...the Monster one has strict timing. The Tranq one is easy after a few tries.

Those are pretty useless Delga combos now thanks to being able to air burst. By the time you come back from the 41236+A you've already got half your meter back if you were empty. If people can burst out of Katze's fast ground combos, I'm pretty sure they can burst out of the first hit of this easily and make the entire combo miss.

[MiLky]

Those are pretty useless Delga combos now thanks to being able to air burst. By the time you come back from the 41236+A you've already got half your meter back if you were empty. If people can burst out of Katze's fast ground combos, I'm pretty sure they can burst out of the first hit of this easily and make the entire combo miss.

They are not useless if opponent is in mode. I've been using standing fierce immediately after the command throw if they have meter. You can bait a burst alot of the time without getting hit by it, then is the chance to combo. If they don't burst you can follow it up with 66a, then mode + combo (if you dare) or dp.b etc...

The game has definitely changed, but is still fun. If he keeps testing it and getting feedback, maybe he can actually end up with a very well balanced fighter. No one said this was his last patch, so the debate is good. I know some of the people here talk to the dude, so input is crucial anyway. It's nice being in the loop, hoping the game comes out HOT when it's done being polished.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

These threads are shown to mr.shok in a regular basis. ANY critique will help because americans/english/whatever, play a vital role in this games development. SO please Give ALL critique possible. And for the record, no this isnt his last patch there are plenty more to come after this one.

[-=KOH=-]

So I'm confused, now Orju's stock 1 super enchant wont allow me to freeze them when they are down, that seemed like a huge part of his heavy shift combo's, all gone?

[Rioting Soul]

For 1.0c, they should make it so that when the player has 3 supers stored and the shift meter is full then their character's specials get the properties from their shift indefinitely. This would open up another interesting playstyle. If an F-Ryuogen got supers and shift bar at max then as long as they both stay at max then the Ryougen's special moves gain the properties of his Freedom shift specials and the universal properties of the shift. Freedom combos could be infinite if the opponent doesn't shift.

The downside would be that as soon as you get max super and shift meter, you get "WARNING" status and it doesn't go away until you decrease your super or shift meter. If you get shattered during max mode then you lose all your supers and shift is depleted to 0% until you recover. You'll also take double damage(with no scaling) until you recover from the shatter effect.

[Darkstalker]

That reminds me.

What does WARNING do/mean?

[rogueyoshi]

That reminds me.

What does WARNING do/mean?
it warns the player that they will get power broken on the next counter hit. it shows up if there is a difference between the players points.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Those are pretty useless Delga combos now thanks to being able to air burst. By the time you come back from the 41236+A you've already got half your meter back if you were empty. If people can burst out of Katze's fast ground combos, I'm pretty sure they can burst out of the first hit of this easily and make the entire combo miss.

Any combo from his command throw is "pretty useless" now. Unless they are already shifted, or shift meter is still building. This patch hurt Delga. You just gotta work with what you still have.

[Xenozip.]

-snip- Holy crap. >.<

Also, my 2¢, I think bursting (shifting out of hitstun) should not build a super stock. There really needs to be some cost to it, IMO. You really shouldn't gain anything from it other than the obvious combo break.

[Dandy J]

SO please Give ALL critique possible. And for the record, no this isnt his last patch there are plenty more to come after this one.
1. I am in agreement that shifting out of a combo, even if there is a risk to be power broken, should not give a stock.

In fact, I would go so far as to say you should only get a stock if the shift is blocked/hits the opponent (regardless if someone gets power broken). Whiffing it would not give a super stock. This may be a stupid idea for keepaway characters though, so just consider it a a thought.

2. I think they are just experimenting right now, but backdash needs vulnerable frames again. The only option to kill a backdash now is to throw (corner only) or do an unblockable attack (and time it so it hits the end of the backdash). As for 449, I don't mind it being gone, since it makes some unique similar options (such as freedom Othello's WAAK as described earlier) more attractive.

3. This one I'm not so sure about, I'm still thinking about it.

The actual properties of the 'burst' shift may need to be changed. There are some situations where you can do them to hit the attacker guaranteed, without risk of being power broken. Example:

Delga vs anyone. Delga has no shift meter, 0 stocks, opponent has shift. Delga is way ahead on points. He lands something into command grab into dp+B. After being hit by dp+B, the opponent bursts and hits Delga, knocking him down and giving them control of the match.

Now I'm wondering of the possibilities of baiting the burst here. First of all Delga can't use dp+B if he wants to bait. Secondly, maybe he can cancel an attack into a backdash, but unless the opponent is in the corner, I fail to see how Delga could actually punish them for bursting.

If he has meter, he can just cancel dp+B into flame breath.

I think right now, the best solution is to simply give Delga some decent combo that leaves them grounded (and everyone else for that matter). It doesn't have to do much, maybe 2500, but it needs to not knock down. Changing the properties of the burst will stunt the current learning cycle of how to bait bursts, so I think it's best to leave it as is and see how it evolves.

4. Man I still get lag spikes with everyone I play against. :smith: It was cool for the first couple days I played (maybe a week before the patch), but then a couple days before the patch up until now, I haven't gotten one good connection. I even tried directly connecting + fullscreen. I guess there's nothing to be done except netcode optimization in general. I'm not going to complain too much, it must be a bitch to figure out/code.

[Xenozip.]

Another thing you might want to suggest is correcting the Engrish on the round intro and outro.

Intro reads: "Under the precious sky, monsters are full of excitement. What do they want at fighting? But just answer for it is not their need. How long is it taken to the end? Only we can sure that never be able to finish."

I don't know what was intended, but it could probably make more sense reading: "Under the precious sky, monsters are full of excitement. What do they want with fighting? Perhaps answers, for it is not their need. How long will it take for an end? Only we can be sure that they are never able to finish."

Or something along those lines.

Outro reads "Winner is standing side of grounded loser."

Could probably read "Winner is standing beside the fallen loser."

And in the menu "Winning" could be "Rounds"

[Rioting Soul]

Holy crap. >.<

You don't like?

Also, my 2¢, I think bursting (shifting out of hitstun) should not build a super stock. There really needs to be some cost to it, IMO. You really shouldn't gain anything from it other than the obvious combo break.

I agree.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Alright after playing online for about an hour, I had to admit that this patch has really pissed me off. Not so much as about adjusting to it. That isnt the problem. My main issue is this new burst feature. Its WAY too free. Backdashing now IMO is pretty fucking pointless and that is a problem. All of the changes suggested WILL be directed to mr.shok. After playing with the new patch I am not satified at all. I think 449 needs to come back because backdashing now is almost completely useless or at least able to cancel your backdash into a jump <_<.

The character changes I do not mind so much. The system changes to me are a serious problem that need to be fixed

[N_paul]

I also feel bursting is way too good. It seems like you can just save it up until they get you in a combo, burst out and hit them back. Reminds me a little bit of Alpha 3 Vism shenanigans

[Dandy J]

Backdashing now IMO is pretty fucking pointless and that is a problem.
Backdashing most dash attacks allows you to punish them for free, and you can't be hit at ANY point during the backdash except by a throw or unblockble attack. You will either avoid the attack or be able to block.

[rogueyoshi]

Alright after playing online for about an hour, I had to admit that this patch has really pissed me off. Not so much as about adjusting to it. That isnt the problem. My main issue is this new burst feature. Its WAY too free. Backdashing now IMO is pretty fucking pointless and that is a problem. All of the changes suggested WILL be directed to mr.shok. After playing with the new patch I am not satified at all. I think 449 needs to come back because backdashing now is almost completely useless or at least able to cancel your backdash into a jump <_<.

The character changes I do not mind so much. The system changes to me are a serious problem that need to be fixed

okay, burst needs fixing, but agree with you on 449, but my idea is this. give certain characters (the ones that need it) 449. i think siely is better with the new kind of backdash though, as her normal dash is her replacement for 449.

[Trophy Club]

If anyone has gotten their DOA4 stick to work on this I'd appreciate it if you could help me out on getting it work. I've tried JoytoKey and maybe I'm retarded and not configing it right but I can't get that to work either.

I'd really like to try this game but not with a keyboard, thanks.

[aqualung]

Alright after playing online for about an hour, I had to admit that this patch has really pissed me off. Not so much as about adjusting to it. That isnt the problem. My main issue is this new burst feature. Its WAY too free. Backdashing now IMO is pretty fucking pointless and that is a problem. All of the changes suggested WILL be directed to mr.shok. After playing with the new patch I am not satified at all. I think 449 needs to come back because backdashing now is almost completely useless or at least able to cancel your backdash into a jump <_<.

The character changes I do not mind so much. The system changes to me are a serious problem that need to be fixed



jeez, you called me out when i critiziced the changes, and accused me of not having the abillity to adjust. /gg


the "burst" function should really be independent of the shift meter........ pretty retarded how it is now. for that mater, the shift meter shouldnt just fill up automatically. I had so many matches in version B, where i would have 2-3 stock before the first round ended, thats not right.

Also, in the 30 or so games i played last night, about 3 combos werent broken cause of the shift. Thats Boring.

Backdash useless? umm, its the best defensive tool in the game. Turtle power.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

jeez, you called me out when i critiziced the changes, and accused me of not having the abillity to adjust. /gg


the "burst" function should really be independent of the shift meter........ pretty retarded how it is now. for that mater, the shift meter shouldnt just fill up automatically. I had so many matches in version B, where i would have 2-3 stock before the first round ended, thats not right.

Also, in the 30 or so games i played last night, about 3 combos werent broken cause of the shift. Thats Boring.

Backdash useless? umm, its the best defensive tool in the game. Turtle power.

Like I said. It isnt so much about adjusting to it as it was actually playing with the new mechanic. I normally adjust fine. I even adjusted to the new feature. But The main issue becomes that the ability is just to free. (bursting i mean)

[Rhio2k]

Sorry to leave after the last match Doren2k, but it seems like you were de-synching, and I had to go leak. Good game though. Have you noticed anything different about the way Rail plays yet?

[rogueyoshi]

yo buktooth, you need to get the newest patch to play anybody.

[Rhio2k]

Nasty Seily, Rogueyoshi. gg. I have the hardest time remembering who I fought. I only remembered your name cuz of your post.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

the "burst" function should really be independent of the shift meter........ pretty retarded how it is now. for that mater, the shift meter shouldnt just fill up automatically. I had so many matches in version B, where i would have 2-3 stock before the first round ended, thats not right.

I believe that it would work best if each character was given 2-4 burst to use throughout the whole fight.

[Celestial Okami]

I know my opinion won't be very popular because it is somewhat contrary to what the majority opinion is, but I don't really have that much of a problem with the patch.

Being able to Shift out of your opponent's combos, even in the air, is kind of a tradeoff if you think about it. Either you use your shift to extend your combo, or to break your opponent's. I am not good enough at 2D fighters to be able to combo off of everything so I usually go for the few staple combos I know and a few different attack-pattern routines, but it doesn't seem like that much of an issue. Some moves were changed so you couldn't do infinites or long repetitions of the same move, and although that may make some of us (Orju players) disgruntled, we will just have to find out a new combo to replace the old one.

I do see how it could have a huge impact for Seily. I played against an excellent Seily(Tranq.) player the other day, and I could see how it would limit her fighting capability greatly, although I don't think that it would completely render her useless.

I don't know about the change where you lose your Shift bar after performing an Absurd. I kinda like it, kinda don't. It makes sense, but it makes some character's Absurds less useful (Seily) or practically useless (Maya).

One of the few changes I would like to see tweaked is to Rail. You can no longer spam qcf+B to lock your opponent down. You now have to wait for the bolt (he calls it Suruhu?) to return to you, and the farthest away you can slash with it seems to be about three or so 'Rail' sized measures away. However, this also means that when you do qcb+A, you can't follow up with qcf+B, nor can you use Suruhu after being knocked across the screen by your opponent (this has happened to me). If they could extend the range just slightly so you could use qcf+B two times in a row without having to pause, I would be pleased.

A few other random weirdness-es to note which need fixing - The word Absurd stretched across the shift bar looks ugly, and its a bit difficult to see the text behind the damage meter when you get hit now (I think the font was made smaller), and random stage select STILL defaults to the temple stage!

[Tyram]

ok i just downloaded the game. It is pretty cool. how do i play against you suys. play you online.

[Harem]

This game is made of win~

If only I could get online to work...

[Celestial Okami]

ok i just downloaded the game. It is pretty cool. how do i play against you suys. play you online.

Be connected to the internet, and be sure you have the latest version (1.00b, patch for it can be found at http://4070.jp/8105/ ). From the main menu, go to Network. You can give yourself a name and a comment that others can see when you set the Wait function to Enable (which basically lets others see and challenge you). You can use Intrude to try to challenge other Open players, but it isn't guaranteed. Sometimes you just sit there for just 10 seconds and it won't connect, or it might connect but be really laggy. You also need to exit the Network screen and re-enter in order to refresh the list of people.

I think thats basically it... good luck.

[Tyram]

Be connected to the internet, and be sure you have the latest version (1.00b, patch for it can be found at http://4070.jp/8105/ ). From the main menu, go to Network. You can give yourself a name and a comment that others can see when you set the Wait function to Enable (which basically lets others see and challenge you). You can use Intrude to try to challenge other Open players, but it isn't guaranteed. Sometimes you just sit there for just 10 seconds and it won't connect, or it might connect but be really laggy. You also need to exit the Network screen and re-enter in order to refresh the list of people.

I think thats basically it... good luck.

I got the file now what do i do with it. do i put it with the rest of the game's files and just play from there or what. when i click on network in the game the game locks up and i have to shut it down.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Posted up info in the wiki for Delga. Actually, I just updated his normals. But there is all the (number) information that you could want other than frames. I would do specials...but I don't know the names of them.

[MAGUS1234]

I got the file now what do i do with it. do i put it with the rest of the game's files and just play from there or what. when i click on network in the game the game locks up and i have to shut it down.
did you restart your comp....that fixed all the bs for me.

[Tyram]

did you restart your comp....that fixed all the bs for me.

yes. now i cant get into the network part of the game. the lower right hand corner of the game sais ver1.0b. I was able to access network only 1 time. I went to nameEntry and tried to enter my name then i pushed a button on my controller to finnish the entry. the game locked up. then i had to shut the game down and from then on every time i went to network and tried to get in the game locked up and i had to shut down the game and reopen it. I dont know what to do.

[Buktooth]

the patch made the morrigan chick even worse than before