Monster - The most awesome doujin fighting game yet?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

garbage tier fear buktooth lol.

[W3s]

Ill wait till next patch, then Ill play again.

Even in 1.0b everyone i played has shit ass lag, cept magus124

[Shin Touyokouzan]

ShoK@1.0b後悔 says:
ShiftGage is used a lot of ways so novice character can combo if its used already .
Arima Miyako <333 *American Monster representative!* says:
i dont have a problem with that too much
Arima Miyako <333 *American Monster representative!* says:
But there is no real way to punish it
ShoK@1.0b後悔 says:
ShiftGage will changed next patch
Arima Miyako <333 *American Monster representative!* says:
do you know what to exactly?
ShoK@1.0b後悔 says:
When you use it ,the gage recovery become slowly .(Actualy double or triple wait )
Arima Miyako <333 *American Monster representative!* says:
oh that would be really good

The official changes will be:

Burst will now be punishable AND if you burst you will have to wait 3 times as long to get meter back. Also If you burst you will be at a higher risk of being powerbroken by the opponent. When i get more information I will be more than happy to share it

[aqualung]

o neat!


that sounds promising =D

[Rhio2k]

One of the few changes I would like to see tweaked is to Rail. You can no longer spam qcf+B to lock your opponent down. You now have to wait for the bolt (he calls it Suruhu?) to return to you, and the farthest away you can slash with it seems to be about three or so 'Rail' sized measures away.


Surufu.

[Xenozip.]

Posted up info in the wiki for Delga. Actually, I just updated his normals. But there is all the (number) information that you could want other than frames. I would do specials...but I don't know the names of them. I'll put the missing special move names in for the characters.

the patch made the morrigan chick even worse than before Siely's so meter dependent it's not even funny. Either they hate her and enjoy making her weak, or there's something about her we don't know. :|

[DarkNecrid]

Man, they better not nerf Burst, there is literally almost no defensive game as it is.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Man, they better not nerf Burst, there is literally almost no defensive game as it is.

No defensive game? Are you playing Monster? Backdash is completely invincible, and you can block right afterwards; most rushdown can be jab-ed (or thrown) out of whenever they go for the dash attack (normally the 4th/6th attack in a block string); and now you have burst that stops basically every other combo. Also, most supers have nice priority (and invulnerability frames).

Clearly no defensive game.

[Tyram]

Network is still locking up on me.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I wonder why i havent had these problems with the net work and everyone else is having them -_-

[Xenozip.]

Posted up info in the wiki for Delga. Actually, I just updated his normals. But there is all the (number) information that you could want other than frames. I would do specials...but I don't know the names of them. Updated the Delga section with the move names and introduction.

So, now it'd be nice if some one filled in the blanks, please. :)

[Tyram]

ok well i just now got in to network hella random i guess. so i go to intrude then what do i look for? there are many things to choose from after you choose intrude.

[Emil]

Also, most specials have nice priority (and invulnerability frames).

NO, specials have totally shit priority and no invulnerability frames outside of Tranq and Othello's qcb+C.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

NO, specials have totally shit priority and no invulnerability frames outside of Tranq and Othello's qcb+C.

I've seen Supers go through firebreath...so I know some of them have invulnerability frames. And I was talking about Supers anyways...should of wrote that instead of specials. Specials suck (except autoguard ones in tranq).

As far as priority goes. Most supers will trade at least...in your favor.

[Tyram]

ok now i think i got it but the last thing i need help on is my display name. I am having trouble setting that up. every time i finnish entering my name the name disapears and the game locks up. thanks for all the help guys.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Updated the Delga section with the move names and introduction.

So, now it'd be nice if some one filled in the blanks, please. :)

Done. At least for all of his un-shifted data. Added as much information as I could. And re-formated to make it easier to read.

[Leebee Link]

Here's some random combo replays i did right after updating. I know the endings to the Ryougen and Rail combos are crap but I was lazy.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=72TPV8NQ

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z58ELWY3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DG9STO1R

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=45ML69J8

[Xenozip.]

@ Spooty: Thanks.

-

Updated the Rail, Ryuogen, and Othello sections of the Monster Wiki (http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Monster).

[MAGUS1234]

Ill wait till next patch, then Ill play again.

Even in 1.0b everyone i played has shit ass lag, cept magus124lay a note when you play, bout the only person who dont have lag for me either.

[Xenozip.]

Apparently in 1.0b, you can't Burst while getting hit by or after the last hit of a Bash Combo (single stock juggle super) or a connected shift activation. Though you can burst if you get hit by anything else after the bash/shift.

Oh, and if it wasn't obvious, in 1.0b you can only burst in the air, not ground.

[DarkNecrid]

"No defensive game? Are you playing Monster? Backdash is completely invincible, and you can block right afterwards; most rushdown can be jab-ed (or thrown) out of whenever they go for the dash attack (normally the 4th/6th attack in a block string); and now you have burst that stops basically every other combo. Also, most supers have nice priority (and invulnerability frames)."

Oh you're right, compared to the fact that offense gets Power Break, Guard Breaks, 2 of the 3 modes (Tranq adds invinc. frames, no?) benefit offense, it surely doesn't outnumber and overpower the defensive game.

They still need to either:
a)-Improve burst and let you use it on ground and stuffs.
b)-Add a pushback feature when you are blocking so the enemy gets pushed back.
c)-Have a parry/just defend like function.

Right now the stuff offense can do that defense can't is insane.

[MAGUS1234]

defense is always what seperates good players from crap though....

you cant have everything handed to you, just block poke back dash jump....they all get you out of any non absurd situation.

[Xiii]

One thing I think should be added for revision C or the next patch would be something I just talked about in the channel, but was thinking about for awhile now.

Throws always seemed secondary as they needed you to stop for a moment before being able to do them. Though aside from that, you can't combo off a throw and people can just go back to blocking again after that, there isn't really any good reason to throw because even the damage isn't that great on one. Adding the ability to reset your opponent's points with a throw would however change the tides of things since Power Breaking is dependent on your points, if someone is blocking a lot, they are essentially building up their points enough to power break you, but you have no way of really countering this except stop attacking for awhile... not really a choice people would want to make. If being thrown resets your points, the attacker can still find ways to hold control and the defender can still turn the tides by killing their attacker's points with a throw as well.

[DarkNecrid]

^Love it.

[MAGUS1234]

lots of throws are cancellable into activate. Preferably they should just add range to them.

btw gg's to rougueyoshi- siely just can't do enough damage :(

[Henaki]

mayas throw is comboable off specific positions

[Xenozip.]

I agree with Xiii's idea regarding throwing. It makes a lot of sense.

I also agreed with Xiii's idea that he expressed in the IRC channel to give certain characters back step (so they can do 449), instead of the current backdash. In particular: Maya, Aleksander, and Delga. Just to help balance those characters out, because they really need 449.

Regarding bursting: The idea that it will take longer to regenerate your shift after bursting is good. So is making them have less priority. I still think they shouldn't reward you with stock at all, but I also agree with the idea that they should only build stock if they connect, and not when they whiff. There really needs to be some incentive to use it properly rather than just spamming it whenever you can in order to regain momentum, and also there should be a cost (having it free is stupid).

They seem to have taken some consideration into what you can and can't burst from though (can't burst out of a Bash or Shift hit or certain special moves), so maybe they just need to put more thought into it.

FYI. Here's some throws you can combo from without shift:

Siely: 4C, 6C (Anywhere)
Rail: 6C (Anywhere)
Delga: 6C (After wallslam)
Maya: 4C (Corner)
Orju: 6C (Corner)

But yeah, most characters can combo them by shift canceling while mid-throw.

[Emil]

Regarding bursting: The idea that it will take longer to regenerate your shift after bursting is good. So is making them have less priority. I still think they shouldn't reward you with stock at all, but I also agree with the idea that they should only build stock if they connect, and not when they whiff. There really needs to be some incentive to use it properly rather than just spamming it whenever you can in order to regain momentum, and also there should be a cost (having it free is stupid).

Another reason why they should not be given an extra stock is that since bursting can only be done in the air, characters that have air supers (and there aren't many) will be able to combo the burst into the super (like Siely) and continue the combo.

[Buktooth]

sorry, what's a power break? it just looks like a big counter hit to me

and i cant seem to connect to anybody

[MAGUS1234]

sorry, what's a power break? it just looks like a big counter hit to me

and i cant seem to connect to anybody
go into training and hit f1, it will land a powerbreak withinfinite hits so you can basically juggle for free. the number on the opponent is the num,ber of times you can hit them. With siely I think you do standing B(?) dash cancel air A?, land repeat till the number is gone.

[Emil]

go into training and hit f1, it will land a powerbreak withinfinite hits so you can basically juggle for free. the number on the opponent is the num,ber of times you can hit them. With siely I think you do standing B(?) dash cancel air A?, land repeat till the number is gone.

The number is a timer, that begins counting down after you hit them. You can do more hits than the counter displays (but usually it will go faster than you do your hits).

With Siely, you can do something like C, quick jump B, late air C, ground B, quick jump B, late air C, repeat.

[Shocky II]

Othello's blood can hit Delga out of the chain swing move if it hits his axe. You shouldn't be able to get hit through that thing.

Is it just me or are there no supers useful outside of combos?

And when is this game getting a timer?

[Xenozip.]

^ Maya's 236c is very useful outside of combos. So is Rail's 236c.

Both are good anti-meaty anti-rushdown moves. Maya's in particular since it adds 10 points per level to her point score regardless of hit or whiff, so it's awesome for powerbreaking.

Oh, and pretty much all Absurds are useful. Well, almost all.
sorry, what's a power break? it just looks like a big counter hit to me

and i cant seem to connect to anybody http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3606251#post3606251

Also the two posts below it.

Regarding powerbreaks, Basically:
Combos raise your points. Your points reset at the start of a new combo or if you block an attack. They don't reset if you're hit or if your opponent blocks.

Blocking raises your points. They will reset if you hit the opponent. They will not reset if you're hit or your opponent guards.

The person with the lowest point score has a "warning status" and can be power broke if they are hit out of a move (counter hit). Having a higher amount of points kind of gives higher priority to moves. You can also hit your opponents projectiles to cause a powerbreak.

Note: If your points are equal, projectiles pass through one another. If points are unequal, then the highest point score will beat (and powerbreak) the lower score.

The points are transferred to a clock tick when you power break. You can juggle the opponent (super floaty) during this state. Each hit reduces the clock by a point, and the clock will also automatically decrease rapidly after the first hit.

Ikusat sums it up by saying:
1) If you're in warning status and trade hits, you get power broken
2) When power broken, they get set up for an easy juggle
3) The timer will only start running down after the first hit after being power broken
4) After the timer hits 0, they can't get hit

[DAWOLF57]

Ok, i got a different error message this time. It now says Monster.exe failed becuase D3DX9ab.dll was not found. But it's in the same folder.

Does anyone know how to fix this?

[MAGUS1234]

sorry Xeno we looked like bums with that kinda lag....:(

[Xenozip.]

sorry Xeno we looked like bums with that kinda lag....:( Yeah. It was only a matter of time before I started desync'ing anyway. :(

[dori.]

If anyone has gotten their DOA4 stick to work on this I'd appreciate it if you could help me out on getting it work. I've tried JoytoKey and maybe I'm retarded and not configing it right but I can't get that to work either.

I'd really like to try this game but not with a keyboard, thanks.

you need to download and install the 360 version of the XBCD controller driver.
http://matt-land.com/xbcd/
http://xbcd360guide.50webs.com/guide.html

[Xiii]

Sadly you can't really measure how good someone is if lag is noticeably present in a match. Things can happen in that time that usually wouldn't happen (like you noticing an opening that previously would have been too fast for you to successfully make use of) and people can generally mash out combos they've practiced in some cases.

Though not to take credit away from where it's due, but you never really can say you are better than someone unless you can beat them in a lag free game. Exceptions are bound to appear here and there, but realizing this, it makes me less and less anxious for having an online tournament since some people might not even be able to play each other let alone try to have a lag-free game.

[Xenozip.]

Yeah, I'm unable to play in an online tournament at all until my desync issue is resolved. :(

I also agree with the ability to exploit lag in your favor for some situations, but I disagree with the mashing of combos. I actually find combos harder to perform in lag -- but it's a lot easier to block instant overheads and punish mistakes, etc.

[FullMetalRoss]

Yeah, I'm unable to play in an online tournament at all until my desync issue is resolved. :(

I also agree with the ability to exploit lag in your favor for some situations, but I disagree with the mashing of combos. I actually find combos harder to perform in lag -- but it's a lot easier to block instant overheads and punish mistakes, etc.

My problem is when the game lags out, but only when you are trying to do combos, like I land a grab and then boom giant lag spike of death... I hate that shit. That would be mine main problem with a tournament.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

My problem is when the game lags out, but only when you are trying to do combos, like I land a grab and then boom giant lag spike of death... I hate that shit. That would be mine main problem with a tournament.

Only Delga players know that pain. It is the saddest thing that can hapen too :'(

[Nakamura]

New monster player here o_o. Orju and Rail are the only two characters I like, so I play those two, mainly Orju.

I'd like to play matches, but could anyone tell me what I need to do to be able to connect with people? >_<.

[Xiii]

If you're on a router, open port 2300 TCP. If you don't know how to do that, visit portforward.com and find your router's guide.

[Celestial Okami]

gg to Venom_web (roadapple). You totally destroyed me with those mixups. I seem to be able to connect to you at school but not at home. Weird.

[wolfox_okamicha]

Could somebody help me?

I just downloaded the game (the filefront one), and I patched with v.0.b. However, after reading posts, new stages were introduced in patvh v1.0a. I wanted to download it, however, the link provided for it gives this "Forbidden" error.

[Celestial Okami]

Could somebody help me?

I just downloaded the game (the filefront one), and I patched with v.0.b. However, after reading posts, new stages were introduced in patvh v1.0a. I wanted to download it, however, the link provided for it gives this "Forbidden" error.

As far as I know, v1.00b should have everything that was in v1.00a ... but if this isn't the case I have the v1.00a update file saved. I can't seem to post attachments on this forum or in PMs (not that I am complaining, each forum has its own rules). Can anyone confirm or deny?

[wolfox_okamicha]

You could email me. My address is wolfox_okami@hotmail.com or megahentaiwolf@yahoo.com

Because I only have one stage, and somebody said patch 1.0a has additional stages.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

You could email me. My address is wolfox_okami@hotmail.com or megahentaiwolf@yahoo.com

Because I only have one stage, and somebody said patch 1.0a has additional stages.

That would have been me.

But 1.0b definitely has everything that 1.0a had. And all the stages were in 1.0. I just didn't see them for some reason. Ever try going to the right at the stage select screen?

[Tizoc]

Is there a way to make the sprites look more 'cleaner'? I set my game to Windowed and the window is 640x480, but the sprites look kinda er messy in a way.
Also when I click on the Config icon in my Monster folder, the text does not come out as Japanese. What should I install to make them appear in Japanese?

Finally- what the heck is the difference between the 3 modes/grooves (Tranquility, Monster & Freedom)? The way I see it, Monster is sorta like the Rage guage from the SamSho games and Freedom is sorta like A-Groove from CvSNK 2.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Is there a way to make the sprites look more 'cleaner'? I set my game to Windowed and the window is 640x480, but the sprites look kinda er messy in a way.
Also when I click on the Config icon in my Monster folder, the text does not come out as Japanese. What should I install to make them appear in Japanese?

Finally- what the heck is the difference between the 3 modes/grooves (Tranquility, Monster & Freedom)? The way I see it, Monster is sorta like the Rage guage from the SamSho games and Freedom is sorta like A-Groove from CvSNK 2.

Generally it goes like this:

Monster - ALOT more damage on specials. Specials have more start-up.

Freedom - ALOT less damage on specials. Specials are cancel-able by about anything.

Tranquility - Damage is around normal (sometimes higher; sometimes lower) on specials. Some specials get autoguard. Some specials have drastically changed properties.

[Tizoc]

^Ah huh I see, then what mode is best for each character then? Or all modes equally useful for each character?

[Darkstalker]

Depends on the character.

I'm all for Freedom Rail, but his effectiveness has been cut down drastically now that he has much less range on some of his spirit moves. Maybe Tranq would work better with him, not sure yet.

[wolfox_okamicha]

That would have been me.

But 1.0b definitely has everything that 1.0a had. And all the stages were in 1.0. I just didn't see them for some reason. Ever try going to the right at the stage select screen?

Ah yes, thanks for saying that. So v1.0b is the recent, huh? Sweet!

[Xiii]

Sprites are like that, messy, so you just have to get used to it. With the modes, Tranquilty seems to be the best for most characters at the moment because of how Burst is designed and how the system was changed. Monster and Freedom are still very viable, but are more difficult in general to use because of their individual changes to move properties.

[MAGUS1234]

I use
T-katze
F-maya
I think t-maya is what alot of ppl play though.

[MeanGreen]

Are there any grapplers in this game ? Like a Zangief type character ....anyone with a 360 ?

[Xenozip.]

Delga's a grappler. He has a command throw and command throw super. He's also slow and bulky.

So yeah, he's a grappler.

[MeanGreen]

Delga's a grappler. He has a command throw and command throw super. He's also slow and bulky.

So yeah, he's a grappler.


cool, i'll try this out then.


lol havent heard him mentioned, he must suck :sweat:

[Xenozip.]

cool, i'll try this out then.


lol havent heard him mentioned, he must suck :sweat:He's been mentioned here, there's some Delga players in this thread. He was buff in 1.0a but he got nerfed in 1.0b. I'd rank him mid tier.

[MAGUS1234]

any rough tier lists out there?

[Spoonz]

what do you guys use to record matches, i tried fraps but i wasnt getting any music only sound effects.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

cool, i'll try this out then.


lol havent heard him mentioned, he must suck :sweat:

Delga does suck. Worst character in the game...easily. There is no reason to even try him.

But if you have to then try this with him. Let someone start hitting you...then jab out of it. You'll be trying for a long while.

[Celestial Okami]

Despite being a huge Orju fan, he also isn't high tier. His range is kinda bad, his damage is kinda low, and the moment your opponent starts crouch-blocking there isn't much you can do as his overhead (ff+B) is kinda sucky and he doesn't have Ryougen's instant overhead.

Of course, maybe I just haven't seen any Orju players since 1.00a so I don't know what great potential he has...

[Emil]

and the moment your opponent starts crouch-blocking there isn't much you can do as his overhead (ff+B) is kinda sucky

I don't think so...that overhead is not very sucky. Cancel it from some other normals, the only way they can beat it is if they mash immediately after, and if you do see them mashing you out of the overhead, then just do something like crouch A, walk slightly, crouch A again into combo (if they mashed, they would get hit). If that overhead ever hits, it can be cancelled into qcb+A, then activate mode and continue comboing.

[wolfox_okamicha]

How's Othello? He's a wolf! ^ ^

[Shin Touyokouzan]

How's Othello? He's a wolf! ^ ^

Best character in the game =P

[MAGUS1234]

Best character in the game =P

+1...

[W3s]

Haha, oh man Maya on freedom. I laughed and cried.

You can punch Sileys purple crystla projectile for powerbreak/counter hit.

update please!

[MAGUS1234]

^^^you know.

update is needed. I cant believe how annoying that transport shit is, even if you hit her her body teleports(!). you can land like 10 combos with siely and Ill still be good with life..lol

[Xenozip.]

Formatting fixed my desync issue. But now I'm back to the low gamma setting for compressed video, so it's somewhat of a paradox. Yay~sigh..
any rough tier lists out there?Umm.. really loose:

- Othello, Ryuogen, Katze
- Rail, Orju, Maya
- Aleksander, Siely, Delga

Yeah, I retract what I said earlier. Delga has way too many bad matchups to not be considered low tier. Plus you can burst everything he does.

I don't think Delga is garbage tier, but he has to work extra hard for wins now, like Siely and Aleks.

[Celestial Okami]

An adendum to that Tier list - If you are lagging like a slug, Alexsandr becomes pretty good because you don't need to pull of your specials to be able to fight.

Maybe I suck (lol) but I've fought a few tough Seily players. She is aggressive as hell, so as least she is at the top of the low tier list. I agree with Delga though, really tough to play.



On another note, I ripped the stage music out of the WAV soundfile, added a few fade outs to make some tracks not cut off suddenly, added some (lame) titles I came up with myself, and converted them to MP3's for easy listening.

Here ya go.
http://rapidshare.com/files/15308697/Monster_music.rar.html

[W3s]

^^^you know.

update is needed. I cant believe how annoying that transport shit is, even if you hit her her body teleports(!). you can land like 10 combos with siely and Ill still be good with life..lol

Haha, yea I was like which bitch do I hit. Even when I hit one, there's always another one coming or a energy mine thingy.

No way Katze is top, lemme here your hilarious justification.

[MAGUS1234]

katze is sooo cheap, he had good mixup solid pressure, hi lo game, 50% combos woth one bar. A REAL shoryu, one hit armor on his specials and an un punishable air splash in tranq

cjab,cjab,cfiercexxdash mpxx qcfmp activate, cmp, Sfiercepunchxxdash lp into shoryuken(or in corner cancel into qcf mp into qcb super into more shit.)

=

broken

you can even mixup in his super while its going on, into hi low front back...wtf!

[Kuma-okami]

wow katze can do that?
I do suck >_<

[Emil]

Haha, oh man Maya on freedom. I laughed and cried.

You can punch Sileys purple crystla projectile for powerbreak/counter hit.

update please!

You can do this with pretty much anyone. The general point is that, if Siely (or anyone) is low on points compared to the opponent, they should be very careful about how they attack, because you could just punch the projectile and powerbreak them.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Formatting fixed my desync issue. But now I'm back to the low gamma setting for compressed video, so it's somewhat of a paradox. Yay~sigh..
Umm.. really loose:

- Othello, Ryuogen, Katze
- Rail, Orju, Maya
- Aleksander, Siely, Delga

Yeah, I retract what I said earlier. Delga has way too many bad matchups to not be considered low tier. Plus you can burst everything he does.

I don't think Delga is garbage tier, but he has to work extra hard for wins now, like Siely and Aleks.

The only thing I know for a fact on the tiers is that Katze and Othello are both top characters(othello being no.1)

[G@B0]

Well I upload a match in youtube. There is a Delga's monster combo perform by my oponent, a very good one combo, it almost kill me.
Here is:
Monter 1.0b
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V57gg2xPoj0

I will upload more videos later.

And for me the best player is Rail.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Well I upload a match in youtube. There is a Delga's monster combo perform by my oponent, a very good one combo, it almost kill me.
Here is:
Monter 1.0b
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V57gg2xPoj0

I will upload more videos later.

And for me the best player is Rail.

That was an ok combo. But he wasted 3 bars for only 5000 damage. I can do it for one bar (I can do over 5100).

Plus, why do you burn your shift against him? You should probably save your shifts for his command grabs, but you only did that once.

Formatting fixed my desync issue. But now I'm back to the low gamma setting for compressed video, so it's somewhat of a paradox. Yay~sigh..
Umm.. really loose:

- Othello, Ryuogen, Katze
- Rail, Orju, Maya
- Aleksander, Siely, Delga

Yeah, I retract what I said earlier. Delga has way too many bad matchups to not be considered low tier. Plus you can burst everything he does.

I don't think Delga is garbage tier, but he has to work extra hard for wins now, like Siely and Aleks.

Hold up a second. I don't think Delga is the last tier. He just has to grab like 5~6 times in a match to win now. Especially if you miss the follow up alot because it was your first matches right after the patch :'(

[Xenozip.]

Hold up a second. I don't think Delga is the last tier. He just has to grab like 5~6 times in a match to win now. Especially if you miss the follow up alot because it was your first matches right after the patch :'(
Yeah, I said it was loose.

Delga could be mid right now, but IMO he has to work harder for wins than the chars I put in mid. I'm just factoring relative matchups and strong/weak points.

I don't see Delga being favored against Othello, Siely, Rail, Ryuogen, or Katze. And I'm sure Maya and Orju could make things difficult with run-away shenanigans.

[FullMetalRoss]

Yeah, I said it was loose.

Delga could be mid right now, but IMO he has to work harder for wins than the chars I put in mid. I'm just factoring relative matchups and strong/weak points.

I don't see Delga being favored against Othello, Siely, Rail, Ryuogen, or Katze. And I'm sure Maya and Orju could make things difficult with run-away shenanigans.

Maya wayyy more than orju, because it's really hard to get momentum against her, all she has to do is set stuff up and runaway, though liberal use of the chain from the correct distance can help.

(Though as a note if the chain actually hit people in the air it would be way more useful)

[W3s]

Thats some nice katze combos, but you have to get in. Siley, Maya, and Rail can play keep away with him. I think Katze loses to anyone with a good runaway/projectile game. His only way of getting in is the Tranq dive punch or his over head hop. I do like his crouch fierce though.

[MAGUS1234]

^^ is a small price to pay but he isnt foolproof. :)

Shok using 1.0c ohh ya

[Xiii]

1.0c is out, visit channel on EFnet to get it.

[MAGUS1234]

I cant get on Irc....:(

[G@B0]

That was an ok combo. But he wasted 3 bars for only 5000 damage. I can do it for one bar (I can do over 5100).


Indeed was a very good combo. Sometimes if u are a combo freak u don't look how damage are u dealing, u are just looking how large can be the combo.

Plus, why do you burn your shift against him? You should probably save your shifts for his command grabs, but you only did that once.[
Dude its 1.0b. Changes were made so we have to get familiarized with new things. That was my fist battle online in 1.0b.

I want to play online with some of u guys. My online name is Gabo PR keyboards professional :rofl: .
i want to have good matches.

And about who is the best player, i think that it depends on ur skills. All characters have there tricks.

[Xiii]

Well look at someone like Othello and ask yourself... what's a bad match up for him? Then you look at Delga and you think to yourself, who can he own for free?

Tiers exist ;p Everybody can win, but in a situation like Delga vs Siely... Delga can't just be a little better than Siely.

You guys should stop saying "best PLAYER" as well. Best character is what you're talking about.

[Emil]

Why is 1.0c only being released on IRC? Upload it...

[Hyperhal]

On another note, I ripped the stage music out of the WAV soundfile, added a few fade outs to make some tracks not cut off suddenly, added some (lame) titles I came up with myself, and converted them to MP3's for easy listening.

Here ya go.
http://rapidshare.com/files/15308697/Monster_music.rar.html

This man won.

Anyways, whats the IRC room on EFNet? I'm pretty sure this imformation doesn't get spread around enough, so I can't be alone. I just got done playing it for the first time, and I must say I was impressed by it. Its a tier below Melty for me though, although it IS pretty sweet. I've only chosen Rail so far, and I'm having a blast figuring out new combos. I think Imma go check the SRK wiki to find out some stuff for him.

[FullMetalRoss]

huh? 1.0c only being released on irc? when who has it???

ON a side note while you could have had more damage out of that delga combo you gave me a really good idea! For a silly flashy four level delga combo!

[Shin Touyokouzan]

This man won.

Anyways, whats the IRC room on EFNet? I'm pretty sure this imformation doesn't get spread around enough, so I can't be alone. I just got done playing it for the first time, and I must say I was impressed by it. Its a tier below Melty for me though, although it IS pretty sweet. I've only chosen Rail so far, and I'm having a blast figuring out new combos. I think Imma go check the SRK wiki to find out some stuff for him.

check my sig lol.

[MAGUS1234]

upload that shit....

[Melfice_Cyrum]

1.0c is out, visit channel on EFnet to get it.

So, what does 1.0c do? Any really noticeable changes?

[Zaelar]

<Zaelar> I already posted the link to the patch in the thread.
<AyaIArima> stick with irc
<AyaIArima> we get the exclusive information
<AyaIArima> =P
<c_okami> lol
<Dandy_J> you shouldve posted a link to www.mirc.com and said it was the link to the patch
<XAQshinor> lol
<AyaIArima> LOL
<AyaIArima> edit post
<AyaIArima> go go go go go
<c_okami> do itttt
<AyaIArima> hurry up
<AyaIArima> go go go go go
<Zaelar> k.

www.mirc.com

[Shin Touyokouzan]

<Zaelar> I already posted the link to the patch in the thread.
<AyaIArima> stick with irc
<AyaIArima> we get the exclusive information
<AyaIArima> =P
<c_okami> lol
<Dandy_J> you shouldve posted a link to www.mirc.com and said it was the link to the patch
<XAQshinor> lol
<AyaIArima> LOL
<AyaIArima> edit post
<AyaIArima> go go go go go
<c_okami> do itttt
<AyaIArima> hurry up
<AyaIArima> go go go go go
<Zaelar> k.

www.mirc.com

LMAO!!!!!!!!!! IRC BABY!!!!

Rougeyoshi. Sorry for leaving so fast. roomate wanted to download a file. When hes done im coming back baby! Good games though man

[Xenozip.]

[15:55] <AyaIArima> you cannot combo from a burst
[16:24] <Xenozip> bursting lowers shift recovery, bursting punishable, can't combo after guard cancel unless you powerbreak, gravity adjusted
[16:25] <Xenozip> oh, and absurd gfx tweaked

[Zaelar]

Wait I messed up, I didn't say it was the patch T.T

[Emil]

Upload the patch somewhere...

[Kuma-okami]

nice update, game seems a bit faster

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I love the new patch. Orju freedom combos for the win!

[RagnarokMage]

So...
I was thinking about getting into this game as well but while digging through this thread I've read many confusing things. I've read people posting links on where to get the game but later people saying you downloaded the wrong one and got the demo. I've seen people linking to patches but the links seem to be broken. So I'm not sure where to start!

Can someone just direct me to where I can download the full game and where to get the current patch? If someone has a rapid share upload link of it some where that would be great.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks =]

[Shin Touyokouzan]

So...
I was thinking about getting into this game as well but while digging through this thread I've read many confusing things. I've read people posting links on where to get the game but later people saying you downloaded the wrong one and got the demo. I've seen people linking to patches but the links seem to be broken. So I'm not sure where to start!

Can someone just direct me to where I can download the full game and where to get the current patch? If someone has a rapid share upload link of it some where that would be great.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks =]

Ok. The full version of the game can be found at simulationstyle.com. Download the game from there and then make sure to download the patches. The patches can be found at http://4070.jp/8105/ . download the patch. on that page and then finally JOIN IRC!!!! Information is in my sig! People are always willing to play so come through and chill

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Just wanted to post up that Delga has reversed a bad match-up.

The Seily match isn't completely out of his favor, since you can grab them after a blocked dash C now.

So the bad list is now:

Ryougen, T-Maya (maybe all), and maybe Othello (a win isn't completely out of the question though).

EDIT: Oh, and I love the new patch. Decreased gravity slightly from 1.0b, and kept everyone the same weight (1.0a people weighed different). Plus longer burst gives Delga a chance to land a combo.

[Xenozip.]

I figured out what was causing my desync problem. It was Windows Movie Maker 2+

So, a while back I was complaining pretty heavily about desyncs. That's because I was getting them roughly 1 in 5 games or more, which made playing online barely possible.

So, I formatted my OS and started from scratch. I made System Restore points before changing (installing) anything. Turns out the problem started occurring again when I downloaded and installed Windows Movie Maker 2. So I restored to a point prior to installing it and the problem cleared.

Fuck if I know why. I'm not saying WMM2 is the problem, but for some reason my video card (NVidia) + Monster + WMM2 = desync.

[Emil]

Link to 1.0d seems to be up...except that the link is broken.

Edit: It works here:

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/8105/

[tl_crow]

hello! found this through the shoryuwiki, downloading it (painfully slowly) right now. Hopefully it'll be done by the time I get back from work. Excited to learn how to play this with all of you. Delga looks like lots of awesome.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

hello! found this through the shoryuwiki, downloading it (painfully slowly) right now. Hopefully it'll be done by the time I get back from work. Excited to learn how to play this with all of you. Delga looks like lots of awesome.

Make sure to join our IRC room! Information in my signature =P

[m121akuma]

This game is getting patched so fucking fast...

[MAGUS1234]

GG's to turbovec, seems that othelo got toned down a bit :/
Mayas freedom stuff got slowed a little too, cant do two teleports instantly anymore, whatever.

[G@B0]

My biggest damage with Rail.
I was so bored that I broke my previous record of damaged that was 6k.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5654/combodestroyerdc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Has anyone experience this?

[dori.]

can anyone outline the changes in patch 1.0d?

[W3s]

GG's to turbovec, seems that othelo got toned down a bit :/
Mayas freedom stuff got slowed a little too, cant do two teleports instantly anymore, whatever.

OTHELLO CAN KILL HIMSELF!

[Emil]

I still notice that bug where, if I do not refresh the list of waiting/busy players and I try to join someone, it joins someone totally different (because the list did not update, so I'm really clicking on someone else). This happened when I tried to join someone from SRK and instead joined a Japanese guy.

[MAGUS1234]

Othelo vs maya gave me madglitches of othelo bouncing off screen and then freezing.....

[Darkstalker]

My biggest damage with Rail.
I was so bored that I broke my previous record of damaged that was 6k.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5654/combodestroyerdc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Has anyone experience this?

O_O

TEACH ME.

[G@B0]

I did it in training mode. I will later do it in a battle so I can post the replay here.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

can anyone outline the changes in patch 1.0d?

I would outline them for everyone. But shok has been VERY Secretive about the changes(wouldnt even tell the beta testers what the problem was). Apperently there was a HUGE bug that he found and that he had to fix.

Emil: I have yet to have that particular issue, But I will report it next time I speak with Mr.shok

[Emil]

Emil: I have yet to have that particular issue, But I will report it next time I speak with Mr.shok

Well the problem only seems to happen if you don't refresh for a while (say, 10 minutes). Thus, people are leaving/entering but the list doesn't update, so when you THINK you are joining say, magus's game, it's really connecting to someone else. I guess the best way to fix this is to just update the list of users every minute or so.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Well the problem only seems to happen if you don't refresh for a while (say, 10 minutes). Thus, people are leaving/entering but the list doesn't update, so when you THINK you are joining say, magus's game, it's really connecting to someone else. I guess the best way to fix this is to just update the list of users every minute or so.

Oh alright. Ill still tell him about that. Glad it isnt as serious as i thought it was haha

[Xenozip.]

Sorry insight, cross-country on cable made the game a bit too slow -- wish I had a faster connection (I dream of an OC3). Good games though, nice Katze.

Why weren't you letting me save some of those replays though? :(

[Harem]

Oh alright. Ill still tell him about that. Glad it isnt as serious as i thought it was haha

Get better at Efleet vs. Efleet matches. =(

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Get better at Efleet vs. Efleet matches. =(

I suck =( Def the worst player on srk

[Xenozip.]

video update http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Xenozip

blog update http://xenozip.blogspot.com/

[/plug]

[Spooty Whiteboy]

I think right now, the best solution is to simply give Delga some decent combo that leaves them grounded (and everyone else for that matter). It doesn't have to do much, maybe 2500, but it needs to not knock down.

Ask and (pages later) you shall receive. Courtesy of the best damn Delga combo maker ever.

A, 2A, A, A, 2A, A, A, 2A, A, 2A, 2B (2863 damage) Knocks down on last hit.

EDIT: Wow...didn't mean to bump this thread. Just searched for someone asking for this. This thread should die.

[Xenozip.]

What are the midscreen and corner PB combos that you use for Delga?

[amaroq64]

Make sure to join our IRC room! Information in my signature =P

I am downloading this game as well. I've been watching vids and obsessing over it for a while, but alas, my system doesn't seem to like it. I've tried a copy of it on a file hosting service, and if the copy from SimulationStyle doesn't work, I'm screwed. I'm running Linux Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, if anyone knows anything about linux and why I can't get this game working under wine.

Oh, and about your IRC room. I did join it, hoping to find some help. I was treated rather rudely and told it is a private room, and then kicked from the room. So, screw that.

[MAGUS1234]

I am downloading this game as well. I've been watching vids and obsessing over it for a while, but alas, my system doesn't seem to like it. I've tried a copy of it on a file hosting service, and if the copy from SimulationStyle doesn't work, I'm screwed. I'm running Linux Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, if anyone knows anything about linux and why I can't get this game working under wine.

Oh, and about your IRC room. I did join it, hoping to find some help. I was treated rather rudely and told it is a private room, and then kicked from the room. So, screw that.

hey, either it was someone being a huge dick independintly from the group, or you went to the wrong chat. THere are some abrasive personalities but the next time you go im sure you'll be treated nicely.

Just try again most the ppl are willing to help if they can.

[BoringRyu]

You probably joined #monster and not #8105monster. #monster is a private channel.

[Xiii]

Yeah, only people who can kick don't do so when people ask for help.

[4649]

Random #8105Monster tourney happened tonight. How random, you ask?

<ShardZ> shoe
<rashPOKER> BINGO BANGO BONGO VINCE
<Xiii> horse rat
<ShardZ> cockatile
<Rithli> fruit loops

that random. GGs to all.

1. Rash/JoshtheFunkDoc
2. AyaSpootz ( no doubt the result of Aya-sempai and Spootz fusing their being into one monstrosity possessed by Orjuice )
3. Rithril
4. Turbovec
5. AngryLobster, PotemKhris

Coming soon: Next ranbat (at some point) and 2 man Team Tourney! Join the IRC channel now or you'll miss out

btw, random tourney did not affect ranbat points

[BoringRyu]

XIII and I will join to form: Team East Coast Canada

Or he'll join with one of his Aleks bandwagonners.

Come on Xiii, you know we gotta show us Canadians are superior.

[Harem]

I need a teammate. =(

[amaroq64]

Oooh, okay. Yeah, the room I went to didn't have the 8105 before it. I'm glad that got cleared up. n.n

Alas, this copy of monster doesn't work either. What are the requirements for this game? Any information you guys can provide could be useful, no matter how trivial it may seem. Aka, do I need a joypad? Do I need japanese locale? etc.

If anybody knows anything about linux and wine, here's the bug report I filed at winehq. http://bugs.winehq.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7566
Included are seperate attachments of the game's logfile and the terminal output. I don't get any sound.

The game itself gives me a splash screen, then after several seconds, an error box consisting of all, or mostly, question marks, depending on which sound driver I use. And when I click okay, the box dissapears and the splash screen stays there.

Oddly enough, the demo version of the game available from 8105 graphics' site did give me sound before, and didn't give me an error box. But after the music was done playing, the splash screen would simply stay there anyway.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Most of the players in the IRC room are cool. If anyone kicks anyone from the room it is me lol. But We dont really kick people are everyone in the room is very helpful and supportive. So come through(correctly this time ;D) and give it another go. Trust me we are all very cool people

[Darkstalker]

I'm going to sleep, but just saying, for some reason irc is telling me I've been banned from efnet or something (was thinking of joining you guys again, but, no). Is there something I could do to rectify this tomorrow?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H-Y4yK6XMq8

The trailer for the up and coming monster combo video. Be on the look out peeps

[amaroq64]

Can someone upload it again for me? The filefront file dissapeared/redirects to filefront's main page.

[Whodat]

Has the new patch come yet?

[BlodiaVulcan5]

ok guys, i'm completely lost how to download/install this game. can someone write up a quick guide?

[Xenozip.]

ok guys, i'm completely lost how to download/install this game. can someone write up a quick guide?
download links (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3785448#post3785448).

Actually, try downloading it here (http://www.simulationstyle.com/doujin/).

It's an easy install, just click and run it and then patch it (http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/8105/monster/update_mnstprd_101.exe). Config instructions can be seen in this post (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3652379&postcount=186).

[G@B0]

Simulation style link is not working now cuz that webpage has suffer a big problem.

Hey Shin Touyokouzanv about that video, what video editor did you use cuz that cube efect (beryl like) is the effect I want to add to my first combo video.

Im interested of knowing what video editor does that effect.

Thanks.

[Xiii]

I was actually the one that made that, it's easy to do as well. Just get adobe premiere and check out the video effects filters.

[G@B0]

OH . I forgot about that.

Thx dude I have already installed it but didn't knew that this effect was there -_-"

[ha-dou-ken]

Man, BBB is crack crack crack.

[Whodat]

I don't know why everyone is so hyped up about BBB. I personally don' t see anything all that special about the game except for the soundtrack. I'd much rather play Monster.

[MiLky]

I don't know why everyone is so hyped up about BBB. I personally don' t see anything all that special about the game except for the soundtrack. I'd much rather play Monster.

Yeah I haven't really touched BBB to much since I've gotten it, no online as well. I will get Monster set up again to test out the new patch, wich brings me too... When the fuck is it coming out?!

[rogueyoshi]

I don't know why everyone is so hyped up about BBB. I personally don' t see anything all that special about the game except for the soundtrack. I'd much rather play Monster.

as of right now, i think Better Business Bureau feels like a more professionally made fighting game. most of the characters have a lot of depth and the game is very balanced so far, which is something monster is still lacking (but could easily fix of course, if Shok is willing to hear). it has a pretty original system too. limiting specials by giving them their own meter is a really good idea imo. limiting airdashes by making them consume super meter is also a good idea.

monster still has potential, which is why i haven't stopped playing it. if Shok is willing, he can make it into a much better game than BBB. we've already seen what he's capable of. he obviously knows his stuff when it comes to fighting games, as we can tell by the amount of different playstyles the characters have in the game.

[Xiii]

There's still a lot of changes being planned that hasn't been announced yet. Monster fans will be in for a lot of surprises this summer.

[Master Chibi]

I don't know why everyone is so hyped up about BBB. I personally don' t see anything all that special about the game except for the soundtrack. I'd much rather play Monster.

Personally, there's just alot more hype (for me) when playing BBB, or even Blitzkampf. Those two games just have this energy, this air about them that just eminates everytime you play.

I got that same feeling back when Monster first came out, but not anymore. Not entirely sure why either.

[Rhio2k]

I like Monster, but stopped playing cuz I couldn't connect 2 updates ago. I quit.

[Xenozip.]

I got that same feeling back when Monster first came out, but not anymore. Not entirely sure why either. Well, you remember what Melty Blood went through. I don't suspect you'll want to go through that again.

If I recall, when it first came out you bitched about Siely's lack of anti-air and invulnerable DP, then gave up on it pretty quick. But then in the next patch after you quit she got exactly what you wanted, a more solid DP and a more solid anti-air and her cmd throw turned out to be a pretty good reversal move. But I think most people are still "waiting for the next patch", so I hope you'll at least take a look at what they change for Siely when it's released.

[4649]

i'm training for F-Siely shenanigans in the next update, i hope she gets Ryougen-level buff

[Harem]

i'm training for F-Siely shenanigans in the next update, i hope she gets Ryougen-level buff

I would cry tears of blood. ;_;

[rogueyoshi]

i'm training for F-Siely shenanigans in the next update, i hope she gets Ryougen-level buff
she doesn't need to get ANY stronger. i think the airdash thing from the last update was a bad idea.

i think other than the system changes, nerfs/buffs should go like this:

Lvl Up: Maya, Aleksander
Same: Rail, Delga, Orju, Efleet(hes a boss, why change anything)
Lvl Down: Katze(fix the absurd), Ryougen(fix everything that xenozip pointed out), Siely(limit the # of airdashes you can do), Othello(Remove infinite, give startup to 662a, make him do less damage)

[Xenozip.]

Yeah I agree. Except Delga needs some tweaks, although in his case it's a very difficult subject. He may be the most difficult character to get "just right".

However, point is moot. Next patch is going to overhaul almost the entire cast. So, what we've learned about balance in the previous patch is getting tossed out the window and we'll have to redefine the tiers (again).

[MAGUS1234]

you cant honestly think ryougens counters are overpowered? There so risky, I dont see what changing those would do?

[Xiii]

I know about pretty major changes to everybody except Delga, Maya and Orju. I also know that Efleet is getting looked at, but it won't be next patch so don't get your hopes up over that. I could be wrong about Delga, Maya and Orju, but I don't know about any changes concerning them currently.

/me goes back to lurking around ShoK's garage.

[Xenozip.]

you cant honestly think ryougens counters are overpowered? There so risky, I dont see what changing those would do?
On one hand the 4B isn't as good as a shoryu-type DP because it's vulnerable to throws, but on the other hand 4B has no start-up and it's just a single input which you can do on reaction very easily and can't be option-selected to bypass due to the 0-frame startup. It parries any melee except throws, and totally disregards high/low.

And his 623A is technically a bit better than a shoryu-type DP because you get a free combo after it which other DP's don't get without shift/super. It's only plight is it doesn't catch hits you have to block low, which Katze's doesn't counter either.

Katze's and Siely's may beat throws, but they also trade with a lot of shit and they don't get anything for it other than the DP's worth of damage and a knockdown unless they have shift/super. Ryougen gets a free combo with no cost, no startup, and is equally punishable on whiff as a DP.

It's really almost like throwing in a character with a parry from a different game (like MB shielding or LB parry), and not giving anyone else that parry ability.

[BRUTAL]

Does story mode for this one work?

[Bomberman3000]

*tags this topic*
I need something to get back to in order to check this out...

[HeLGeN-X]

Guess what this link is for

http://www.megaupload.com/ct/?d=5OV821AY

[Harem]

DAMN IT

Everytime that someone posts in this thread, I think that new patch is out.

;____________________________;

[ShardZ]

it's coming soon and it's gonna be pretty huge.... but nah, we don't know when exactly :(

[Xenozip.]

There was an official playtest for it on 6/24 at TRF gamecenter in Japan so I'm wondering where the fuck it is. I was hoping it'd be leeked/released by now.

Oh well, tomorrow in NoVa @ C3 TornadoFlame is setting up a PC for Monster so we'll play anyway.

Hope the new patch is released soon though, it's awfully exciting.

[Tizoc]

OK, um sorry if i shouldn't bump this, but does anyone know where I can get the patch to update to ver. 1.11 or higher?

[Xenozip.]

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/8105/

[freelander]

pls give me a link for a basic guide! or something

I have version 1.11b, is this the newest? What does the S letter mean in the move list?

[devildigimon]

I to am looking forward to the next patch.

But it won't be Monster: AC right?

[Celestial Okami]

she doesn't need to get ANY stronger. i think the airdash thing from the last update was a bad idea.

i think other than the system changes, nerfs/buffs should go like this:

Lvl Up: Maya, Aleksander
Same: Rail, Delga, Orju, Efleet(hes a boss, why change anything)
Lvl Down: Katze(fix the absurd), Ryougen(fix everything that xenozip pointed out), Siely(limit the # of airdashes you can do), Othello(Remove infinite, give startup to 662a, make him do less damage)

Well if by 'Stay the same' with Orju you mean take out the two-stock 94%/kill combo then yeah...

EDIT: Whoospie~ bumped the wrong thread.