Monster: How many people are interested?

[Xenozip.]

Monster (http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/8105/) is a new Doujin (independently made) 2D fighting game. Currently, you can play it on your PC and are able to play online!

This poll is here to serve the purpose of getting a headcount on how many players are interested in playing this, or are currently playing this game. This is important because the game is still in development, and we are able to directly contact the creator of this awesome new game!

More information about the game can be found by following these links:
- Monster Wiki (http://monster.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page)

- Monster Mook (http://fifty50.hp.infoseek.co.jp/monster/)

- 8105 Graphics - Monster Home (http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/8105/)

- AyaImmortal's Monster Blog (http://ayaimmortal.blogspot.com/)

- Xenozip.'s Monster Blog (http://xenozip.blogspot.com/)

If you'd like to see a match video, there is some up on YouTube:

- http://www.youtube.com/8105Monster


For videos from older versions of the game, check the Monster Vids (http://ikusat.mac.org/monster/uploads/monstervids.html) page.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I am very hyped up about this game. Upon Xeno and I speaking directly to the creator he is very interested in seeing the huge impact the game has already made here. And is also interested in hearing any thoughts or ideas that we mighthave. So post up!!!!

[FullMetalRoss]

I'm interested!

Delga is too cool, this is a good quick alternative when I just want to play some fun matches. It's quick to pick up and since it's new you can always be learning new shit. I say good stuff.

[Dipstick]

Where's the 'I played the game and I don't like it at all' option?

[Captain Ryu]

I'm getting into it more every day.

[MAGUS1234]

I hate playing online but, alas its awsome, ppl should get into it.

[woof]

where's the "i played this for a bit but then got tired of it" option?

BACK TO EFZ FOR ME

[Xenozip.]

Where's the 'I played the game and I don't like it at all' option?

where's the "i played this for a bit but then got tired of it" option?

BACK TO EFZ FOR ME

^ Right where the post button is. Please let us know why you stopped playing it. :)

Hopefully they can improve the game.

[altergenesis]

Played it for a bit. I could certainly see myself playing.

[Clear Sky]

Voted yes...it's crack in a can baby!

[gl0ry]

it's an ok game. I don't know if I would call it a balanced game but it's playable

[Spooty Whiteboy]

I'm interested!

Delga is too cool, this is a good quick alternative when I just want to play some fun matches. It's quick to pick up and since it's new you can always be learning new shit. I say good stuff.

Another Delga? Let's fight...

EDIT: Also, check out my replays in the strat thread.

[-=KOH=-]

I'm about to start playing this game, tonight.

[Xenozip.]

it's an ok game. I don't know if I would call it a balanced game but it's playable Stop playing Efleet and you might notice more balance between characters.

[caliagent#3]

It's a dope game. I dunno if i'm too crazy about them implementing bursts though, i'd rather tech rolling. The good thing about it is that it doesn't make me feel like a pedo while playing (mb looking at you)

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I just downloaded it today and it seems good besides connectivity on the networking.

[FullMetalRoss]

Another Delga? Let's fight...

EDIT: Also, check out my replays in the strat thread.

I'm actually fullmetal online I changed my handle awhile ago and haven't gotten a new srk account cause it's kind of a hassle plus they got all crazy cracking down on the two account thing.

[koogy]

game is HOTness.

[MAGUS1234]

needs techs, air blocks, bursts, fix gliches too many to count. Some absurds need to be tweaked, some damage needs to be tweaked.

[hellhound7]

I've been playing it. I think it's a really fun game and when the connections are excellent can be down right splooge worthy!
Maybe it's because I don't play anything else online though.

[bellreisa]

I am honestly surprised this game is as popular as it seems to be here. I didn't post a thread here about it because I figured that between the furries, netplay, doujin, and work-in-progress status that the crowd here would be less than receptive (posted a thread on Dustloop instead, where I got a reception more in-line with what I expected). I know people were less than friendly back in the days when Melty Blood was still PC-only and when I was trying to promote IaMP.

I'd like to know what it is people like about it, actually. Has the attitude towards doujin fighters changed from a few years ago? What about netplay? Monster isn't the first or only PC fighter to have good netplay code. Is the stigma of playing a game full of furries better than playing a game full of girls?

[Emil]

I'd like to know what it is people like about it, actually. Has the attitude towards doujin fighters changed from a few years ago? What about netplay? Monster isn't the first or only PC fighter to have good netplay code. Is the stigma of playing a game full of furries better than playing a game full of girls?

It's the only PC fighter I've encountered with good netplay code. I heard they very recently released the EFZ improved netplay, which I've yet to try. The Melty Blood netplay is garbage, but if they were able to get it to be as good as Monster's, then I'd definitely play it.

[Henaki]

I'd like to know what it is people like about it, actually. Has the attitude towards doujin fighters changed from a few years ago? What about netplay? Monster isn't the first or only PC fighter to have good netplay code. Is the stigma of playing a game full of furries better than playing a game full of girls?

the reason i hate melty blood character design isnt because its all girls its because no one looks different enough. they all look like the exact same 15 year old girl with a slight costume and hair alteration.

i mostly like monster's system.

[Festival6667]

I'd be interested but I have that definite flaw of being French so I guess for now I'll just go get... you know (and I'm sure I won't like that either)

[Xenozip.]

I'd like to know what it is people like about it, actually. Has the attitude towards doujin fighters changed from a few years ago? What about netplay? Monster isn't the first or only PC fighter to have good netplay code. Is the stigma of playing a game full of furries better than playing a game full of girls? I like it better than Melty Blood, not because of the character design but because the system mechanics and gameplay are extremely fun. And you know I gave MB a good chance.

I believe this game has some really underlying innovative ideas on balance that beginners might not see at first.

It's fun and surprisingly dynamic. And by surprisingly, I mean it's difficult to see all the dynamics at first, but once you start exploring the game really deep, you'll see it has some really interesting features.

I put up a combo clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI0sXGfc5Qo) on YouTube

[Edit]: Before skeptics freak out, the wolf had 2 stocks of super -- just think how much damage you do with 2 stocks in other games.

[Renegade]

I'm really kinda upset about this doujin fighter craze. I just don't like the "8 year old girls fighting" style of game. It just seems all of the new fighting games are like this. Melty Blood, Arcana Heart, that other schoolgirl game....

shit... I blame Guilty Gear.

Can't these same creators... . I dunno... design ADULT characters?

I'm serious. I'm a 25 year old male. I really don't want to explain why i'm playing an 8 year old girl in a bikini in a fighting game to my girlfriend.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Um, I really dont see what the problem is. They are characters in a game. Mind you in this game there is nothing of which you just discribed. Have you even tried to play the game? You asking can can they make adult like characters is like asking capcom to not rehash the same games over and over <_<

[Xenozip.]

-snip- So don't play the girl in the bikini. :)

There's literally only two girls in the cast at the moment and neither of them are really anything to gripe about, IMO.

Sorry aesthetics are important to people. I like this game because it's fun, not because of the graphics. Like I said on IRC, they could be fighting trees for all I care, I'm more interested in gameplay. And I'm sick trying to get into the games other people play, I tried and I failed. This game is new and fun, so I'm going to play it and hopefully others will join me.

[FullMetalRoss]

I agree with xeno, I decided along time ago gameplay is 1000% more important to me than the way it looks, and this game has good gameplay in my opinion. I don't need to identify with the characters to play them...

[drunkun munky]

This is a pretty good game (despite the bias)...

[Master Chibi]

And I'm sick trying to get into the games other people play, I tried and I failed.

Amen rev. XENOZIP.

<3

[Rob2_0]

im interested but every time i download i get an error saying the file is corrupt...what should i do?

[Emil]

I think this game lacks good gameplay in the sense that having good reflexes is not very useful due to the lack of priority of counter moves. If I can't dp someone in situations where they had jumped from fullscreen away, then something is wrong. The priority of anti-airs must be fixed, probably the most important thing that needs fixing at this time. Without it, it just because a mindless rushdown fest, where reading your opponent's actions is irrelevant since you will get countered anyway...it seems the best way to counter someone jumping in to you is to just run under them, but I'd forget actually anti-airing them.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

If you want invincible DP's use tranquilty or play street fighter <_<. Everything as far as the game goes has been intended minus the glitches. Which are being fixed int he next patch as well as damage and some hit boxes as well. Not every 2d fighting game is going to correspond with everything that the other has. Somethings you just have to roll with. The game system(to me is perfectly fine) of course its gonna be different. Its a completely new game. that is to be expected.

[Emil]

If you want invincible DP's use tranquilty or play street fighter <_<. Everything as far as the game goes has been intended minus the glitches.

Dude, dps are USELESS. I can't stress that enough. What's the point of the move existing if it's only use is to use it in tranquility? I don't even want them to be invincible, I just want much better priority...so if someone does something stupid, they would actually get punished for it, instead of getting away with mindless offense that is predictable. Sure, I know how to avoid it using other ways but it's illogical. At this point, as I stated, reaction abliity of the player is useless and it just comes down to who can play the best rushdown(usulaly mindless) and pull out the best combo when it eventually hits someone.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

They can get punished for alot of things in this game. I have not had ONE problem punishing someone for a mistake they made AT ALL unless frame delay was invovled(which is rare by the way) If you understand how to get out of situations then mindless rush down should be the least of your problems. Thats how I see it. Nothing is illogical about being forced to think out side of the easy solution. But maybe its just me <_<

[Master Chibi]

which basically translates to you play a hit and run siley because her pokes and her dp are pure ass.

what the SHIT is the point of giving her a playstyle like morrigan when she can't even use it properly. she has to have the worst fuckin normal priority in the damn game.

and ya go ahead and tell me you use it properly and you have no problem with it and what have you.

;p

[Xenozip.]

The thing he mentioned about Tranquility is that when shifted, most specials get autoguard frames. Usually a lot of frames, too. And while I agree that a lot of DP's are really crappy in this game, I have found a lot of other really useful anti-airs -- but keep in mind this game isn't finished and getting patched, I'm sure a lot of move properties and hitboxes and frame data and the like will change over time.

Regarding the rushdown thing, block strings only last so long untill there is a break in the string, during that break you can punish it. Yeah, you don't have a DP, but this isn't street fighter, there are plenty of other options:

- Shift
- backdash, air shift
- backdash, double jump, air chain, air shift
- if you character has a good super you can super when stocked

Or you can just get good at blocking. And no, I don't don't think a new mechanic is going to make the game better. The only mechanic I could see being even remotely beneficial to the game right now is something similar to instant blocking in guilty gear, or just defending from snk games (or cvs2).

Aside from that, let me reiterate by saying this game is not complete. Rebalancing, adjusting, fixing, changing -- all these things will happen in the future. So please don't assume the game is garbage based on an unfinished product. :)

[Master Chibi]

I didn't say the game was garbage, but if I 623+B with Siley I get a SHORYUKEN, that's a street fighter move clear as day, regardless of this NOT being a SF game, and it should either be given some value by not having it be beat out by everything, or be rid of all together. It's not an just an anti air, it's also another option to interupt predictable block strings.

Siley plays akin to Slash Robo-Ky really, and that's just sad.

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[Shin Touyokouzan]

which basically translates to you play a hit and run siley because her pokes and her dp are pure ass.

what the SHIT is the point of giving her a playstyle like morrigan when she can't even use it properly. she has to have the worst fuckin normal priority in the damn game.

and ya go ahead and tell me you use it properly and you have no problem with it and what have you.

;p

Lol, Are you mad that you cant play the character because that is what it sounds like to me. The game is unfinished and I am sure that the creator of the game is working very hard to fix any and all problems. Both me AND xeno talked to him directly about the DP issue. Sho's main goal is to make every character equal. It is going to take a while before that happens but at least he is WORKING on making that happen. Both me and Xenozip and befriended the creator and he is willing to listen to anything we have to say as long as it is constructive, not condescending.l

[Emil]

Lol, Are you mad that you cant play the character because that is what it sounds like to me. The game is unfinished and I am sure that the creator of the game is working very hard to fix any and all problems. Both me AND xeno talked to him directly about the DP issue. Sho's main goal is to make every character equal. It is going to take a while before that happens but at least he is WORKING on making that happen. Both me and Xenozip and befriended the creator and he is willing to listen to anything we have to say as long as it is constructive, not condescending.l

The entire point of these comments is to state what part of the game is considered "unfinished". And this has nothing to do with knowing how to play the character. Logic tells me if someone has a move that looks like a dragon punch, and it's damage is lower than anything else that can be used in a combo, and it cannot be used to punish people on reaction, then the move is useless and work needs to be done in that area. Not sure how you can possibly defend the fact that so many moves are horrible, unless you are just being a fanboy of the game or something (and yes, I enjoy the game but I'm not going to be blind about things that are so obviously problematic).

[Master Chibi]

Man the game has been out for a week AND it's unfinished and you're telling me I don't know how to play the character? She's a practical carbon copy of Morrigan with some Robo-Ky thrown in.

All my points are valid, come on now.

:rofl:

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Man the game has been out for a week AND it's unfinished and you're telling me I don't know how to play the character? She's a practical carbon copy of Morrigan with some Robo-Ky thrown in.

All my points are valid, come on now.

:rofl:

Actually the game has been out for 3 weeks <_<. get your facts straight please.
Anyway. I will show the creator this thread so he can see for himself instead of me sitting here speaking for him. There are alot of things that are being worked on at the moment. So all we can do is be helpful and give him the suggestions that we have. Im not about to argue over it. I do agree with the DP's and as stated already xenozip and I have both addressed that issue with the creator. Hopefully it will be taken care of.

Emil: I appreciate the fact that you are explaining the problems of the game. As I stated before they will be adressed. Sho'k Is working really hard to make this game very good and he wants a console and arcade release for his game. All suggestions as long as they are valid(which yours are) will be addressed with him. And I will speak with him tomorrow. And hopefully I can get him to post on SRK instead of me being a message relayer

[Master Chibi]

Well don't go telling me I don't know how to play the character when the game is three weeks old, and is unfinished because that doesn't give you any more right in knowing how to play her then I do.

I already made my points on what I'd like addressed, but the two of you feel the need to defend the game when they really are valid points. I didn't attack the game either but whatever.

[MAGUS1234]

When you play a hella fast game like this Invincible DP's are stupid, seily doesnt need one any way. they should take invicibilty away from command throws and put it on dp's if anything. Like how the hell can she throw me on wake up when I meaty her? Same with Delga....but it fits better with delga.

It sounds like a bunch of people getting wooped on and bitching about it to me....lol(sorry)

When I started playing against a free ryoga, I was like " he is so fucking cheap" everything he did linked to 50% + damage. but everything evens itself out.


think of her DP as an attack with vertical range, you cant block in the air so its an antiair, not a SF beat all anti air.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Well don't go telling me I don't know how to play the character when the game is three weeks old, and is unfinished because that doesn't give you any more right in knowing how to play her then I do.

I already made my points on what I'd like addressed, but the two of you feel the need to defend the game when they really are valid points. I didn't attack the game either but whatever.

Now where did anyone say you attacked the game chibi? Please stop getting so defensive over statements that were never made. Yes you do make good points and they will be addressed. If that eases your soul, good. If not then I dont know what else to say.

[Master Chibi]

Well Xenozip and you seem to think that I think this game is garbage, which isn't the case, so I wanted to make that clear. I mean you didn't have to repeat the fact that he's still working on it three times over, I got it the first time.

:P

[koogy]

i love it when people assume because a move looks and has the same motion as a DP, it's a dp.

this isn't street fighter. this isn't guilty gear, melty blood, or virtua fighter. this is MONSTER.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Well Xenozip and you seem to think that I think this game is garbage, which isn't the case, so I wanted to make that clear. I mean you didn't have to repeat the fact that he's still working on it three times over, I got it the first time.

:P

Good..... at least thats taken care of. and koogy sooooo true sir!

[Emil]

i love it when people assume because a move looks and has the same motion as a DP, it's a dp.

Whatever it is, it's useless...obviously it was intended to stop attacks that are in the air, but if you get hit out of it 90% of the time, then it's useless. Even the super version has no priority.

[Master Chibi]

Oh come on.

If you do 623+B in the air you get a completely different freaking special.

It's a shoryuken. 1,000,000% a shoryuken. Every damn fighting game ever created practically has the move for the same purpose Monster sure as hell isn't any different.

I'm not replying on the matter again after this.

GaH

[Xenozip.]

Hey if you want a DP that bad, play Katze. He has a 1st frame persisting DP move.

Meanwhile, I updated first post with a few more match vids and I will continue to post more as I capture and upload them. :)

[4649]

Katze Freedom is mad fun, I wish I wasn't behind an obtrusive, Berlin-like firewall so I could play people :/

I guess I'll have to find a way to get out to C3 and out of backwater ass Fredneck to play you other MD/VA heads who play this..... :/

[Xenozip.]

Added another match vid to first post. Anyone who wants a free wakeup move should check out Katze.

PS. His uppercut is not his best anti-air, but it is a good wakeup move.

[MAGUS1234]

two orthello matches in different grooves- laggy
http://files.filefront.com//;6651618;;/
http://files.filefront.com//;6651615;;/

put in replay folder watch in game replay option.

[Leebee Link]

i love it when people assume because a move looks and has the same motion as a DP, it's a dp.

this isn't street fighter. this isn't guilty gear, melty blood, or virtua fighter. this is MONSTER.

koogz brining the truth.

but seriously, the broblems with the game aren't that bad, and with time we'll see the characters become even more different from one another.

[Xenozip.]

Update: Added two more matches to the first post.

(edit: asdf)

[Xenozip.]

Added another Japanese match video to the first post. The player "ShoK", playing F-Maya, is the author/creator of this game. He is the one who did all the character art and programming.

Good stuff!

[Xenozip.]

Finally got a Siely vid up (first post). Gotta get one from the so-called "Siely Master". :p

That's it for tonight. I really need sleep. ~

[edit]: Sorry, just fixed the Orthello vs Siely vid (gimme vs ace).

[Clear Sky]

Why I like the game? The engine feels pretty original instead of the usual x-copy doujin fighting game. Plus it's online. For me, the game certainly wouldn't be as much fun as it is with online play.

[Shocky II]

This is the best thing to happen to furries since Lola Bunny.

[MOD]

lets play some casuals on saturday xeno

[dobiqwolf]

hello,
there are lots of things to fix in this game, so with time every thing should be fine.
what I would like is to get the ping info of the players in the network page if possible.

I do play it my nick is dobiqwolf(UK).
see you there.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3602829#post3602829

Tourament time bitches!

[Xenozip.]

Sorry sorry, I fixed the audio desync in the gimme(othello) vs ace(siely) vid. Updated first post with new link to it, my bad.
lets play some casuals on saturday xeno
Yeah definitely. Krost and I already plan to, and hopefully 4r5 will be there and plays with us. UltraDavid couldn't make it though.

[Xenozip.]

Added another match to the first post.

Going to try and get some more Japanese matches up.

[Emil]

Added another match to the first post.

You should have probably cut that last 30 seconds of nothingness in the video...

Edit: I see Shok online...surprisingly he has lost like 300 matches and won about 200. I'd like to see some videos of the guys that have won like 800 matches out of 1000.

[Xenozip.]

Added another video of ShoK playing (Jap match). All you scrubby Delga players better go check it out.You should have probably cut that last 30 seconds of nothingness in the video...
My bad, I don't even know how that happened.

I'm sure ShoK loses a lot because he plays so many different characters, as apposed to some of these other guys who stick to one character and rack up wins.

[XAQshinor]

ill send u some matches soon Xeno

[Xenozip.]

Uploaded some new Japanese matches, check first post. Thanks XAQ, just e-mail it to me -- hit me up on irc or pm me here if you need my email. Come on guys, send me some more replays!

LOL @ F-Othello - bite loop!

[Rob2_0]

Yay!!! i got it...how do you play online?

[dobiqwolf]

one thing you should say to the creator of this game: make sure that he put english text and option , not only japanese like an option to choose the language of the all game(think story mode), this will have a huge impact on people outside of japan.


where is the irc channel, i was on fnet and i couldnt find it??

[Omerta]

two orthello matches in different grooves- laggy

put in replay folder watch in game replay option.

:rofl: I can’t believe you put those matches up. The slowdown was hilarious and frustrating at the same time; I couldn’t land a single Monster shift bnb, yet you were nailing Tranq bite loops (which I find much harder than monster loops). GGs regardless.

I'll upload as many (good) replays as I can from tonights games.

[MAGUS1234]

:rofl: I can’t believe you put those matches up. The slowdown was hilarious and frustrating at the same time; I couldn’t land a single Monster shift bnb, yet you were nailing Tranq bite loops (which I find much harder than monster loops). GGs regardless.

I'll upload as many (good) replays as I can from tonights games.
the lag is horrendous....I find myself mashing and hit confirming is the mashed button cam out...lol

[Xenozip.]

Three new vids up. Thanks guys.

[TGS]

F-Othello Bite Loop? Fuck that, it's all about F-Othello corner air throw loop...

[Xenozip.]

Three more matches up.

Katze isn't particularly flashy, but he's solid. Got lots of strong points with both offense and defense.

Tranquility Othello and Siely? I think so! WAAK WAAK

[RaiJinKen]

I think this game lacks good gameplay in the sense that having good reflexes is not very useful due to the lack of priority of counter moves. If I can't dp someone in situations where they had jumped from fullscreen away, then something is wrong. The priority of anti-airs must be fixed, probably the most important thing that needs fixing at this time. Without it, it just because a mindless rushdown fest, where reading your opponent's actions is irrelevant since you will get countered anyway...it seems the best way to counter someone jumping in to you is to just run under them, but I'd forget actually anti-airing them.

Why the fuck are you complaining about that, aren't you a KOF player? At the very least, You should be used to mindless rushdown and useless anti-air moves.

[Rhio2k]

Three more matches up.

Katze isn't particularly flashy, but he's solid. Got lots of strong points with both offense and defense.




You ain't never lied.

[arstal]

Some character can play good AA in KOF- even the later ones.

As for this game- I gotta ask- is there any dojin fighter that doesn't seem heavily GG-influenced these days? I'd like to see something more traditional.

[Emil]

Why the fuck are you complaining about that, aren't you a KOF player? At the very least, You should be used to mindless rushdown and useless anti-air moves.

Anti-airs don't suck in kof. With good enough reaction, people who jump in that game get owned badly (especially kof98, less so kof2k2 but still very possible). But that's really irrelevant here.

I didn't check if they improved Siely's dp+B...it seems to be somewhat faster, but not sure about the priority. Other moves are still useless for anti-air though (such as supers, qcb+B, etc).

[JubeiNinja69]

game seems kinda floaty, need a few more chicks and guys. overall its good so far.

[aqualung]

those mid screen F-Katze combos are flashy as hell imo lol, and do 5000+


T-Katze, yeah, not so flashy.

[Xiii]

If you ever want to watch the most random scrubby T-Katze matches ever, just search me up on Youtube. Good ol' Basics win you the fight and abusing DP+A like it was better than the invention of bread!

[Xenozip.]

What I don't get is why people complain about mindless rushdown at all. Here's why it confuses me:

1) Almost all overheads in the game can either be poked out of or thrown before connection during a block string, because they have a frame gap. Thus, option selecting beats most rushdowns.

2) If you're blocking properly like you're supposed to, you're building points, which means you can gain the advantage with a power break. Blocking isn't impossible and it certainly is not useless due to the power break system.

3) There's still some solid options for countering rushdown (backdashing and/or shifting). It's true that most characters don't have an easy-mode mindless DP move that beats everything but blocking, but if that's what you're looking for then just play Katze.

[Rhio2k]

So don't play the girl in the bikini. :)

There's literally only two girls in the cast at the moment and neither of them are really anything to gripe about, IMO.


Wait...Rail's not a chick? Is there an english wiki for this game?

[Xenozip.]

Wait...Rail's not a chick? Is there an english wiki for this game? Haha. Who the hell knows, anyway. :rofl:

Monster Wiki (work in progress): http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Monster

A few of the character sections are updated (like Orju), and some of them need work.

[rogueyoshi]

It's true that most characters don't have an easy-mode mindless DP move that beats everything but blocking, but if that's what you're looking for then just play Katze.
i think t-katze is one of the only characters that doesnt die by ryouga's instant overheads.

[aqualung]

you can bait the Katze's dp........ and punish with pretty much any combo you desire....

Backdash on wake up is way more safe.

"instant overheads" arent hard to defend against. no character loses to them. only the player does.

why does everyone think T-Katze is good? I havent seen anything that makes me second this. Ive got around 300 matches playing as Katze, and played quite a few against T-Katze. Just trying to understand why you guys think its good.

[rogueyoshi]

you can bait the Katze's dp........ and punish with pretty much any combo you desire....

Backdash on wake up is way more safe.

"instant overheads" arent hard to defend against. no character loses to them. only the player does.

why does everyone think T-Katze is good? I havent seen anything that makes me second this. Ive got around 300 matches playing as Katze, and played quite a few against T-Katze. Just trying to understand why you guys think its good.

have you ever played fooligar?

[aqualung]

yes. why? i lost quite a few to him, but it sure wasnt because of overheads.

[MAGUS1234]

Ryouga overheads arent confirmable, they can kill you out rite.

[rogueyoshi]

Ryouga overheads arent confirmable, they can kill you out rite.
which overhead are you referring to? im talking about hist jump attacks. he can use them at the start of jumps and chain them. they are too fast (hence 'instant') and have great priority. its even hard to get a power break cause they beat everything except the switch, certain supers, and tranquility mode.

[Emil]

"instant overheads" arent hard to defend against. no character loses to them. only the player does.

Without the existence of the backdash invincibliity, instant overheads provide a 50/50 mixup and they cannot be blocked on reaction. Also if you're dp is not safe, then it's kind of stupid tossing it out hoping to catch him trying those overheads.

[aqualung]

what im saying. is that "MOST" people who use it, are predicatable with it. im not saying its garbage and no one should use it. just that after playing a few matches, you should have a good idea when the player likes to use it and defend accordingly.

getting hit by it here and there, yeah i can see that, but dominating a fight with it? havent seen much of that, especially since version B.



edit: when did i say throw out dp to stop it? I sed "bait" the dp, and punish the dp. also, i never sed block on reaction. if you know they like to jump cancel the first hit of C on block, then j.b, your prepared to defend against it.

[Emil]

what im saying. is that "MOST" people who use it, are predicatable with it. im not saying its garbage and no one should use it. just that after playing a few matches, you should have a good idea when the player likes to use it and defend accordingly.

He can mixup instant overhead with low attacks or throw, at any moment he gets a knockdown. He can also use it the moment he lands from one jump attack. Unless the player is braindead stupid that he can't see himself being predictable (ie, using the same pattern of instant overhead, low, instant overhead, low), it's going to be extremely hard to stop it. You can dominate the match with just this mixup I think...not to mention the fact that Ryougen's freedom combos do too much damage.

And the dp comment was unrelated to what you said.

[aqualung]

understood.


agree, Freedom Ryougen is nasty.


I also agree that Ryougen is one of the better characters. I just dont think the j.b mixup is as dominating as some would say it is.

Does Ryougen get a free Freedom combo off either a landed j.b or low outside of the corner?

[Fuzzy_Snugs]

I think I fail at life. I could never find a link to download it.

[UnclePepe]

why does everyone think T-Katze is good? I havent seen anything that makes me second this. Ive got around 300 matches playing as Katze, and played quite a few against T-Katze. Just trying to understand why you guys think its good.

Katze is pretty much the 3S Ken of this game. Easy combos with good damage and very good punishing potential with 2C -> 236B. I can't count the number of matches I won simply because I pulled one bullshit 2C into 236B and then linked into a level 2 or 3 super and did 5k damage. It's some really serious shit.

[aqualung]

yeah i like the 2C combos

but, pretty much any character can do

insert low here, insert special here, insert super here

[Xenozip.]

you can bait the Katze's dp........ and punish with pretty much any combo you desire.... Yeah, it's a lot like any other dp in any other game. His dp beats/trades anything but blocking, and of course it's punishable on block.

My point was that there's people complaining that there aren't good dp moves in the game, and I'm just pointing out that Katze's is rather good. Though, it's not a good anti-air (he has better anti-airs) but it's a great anti-rush and anti-meaty.

The other characters in the game actually have to work when they don't have momentum -- Katze just has to "guess" right.

[Xenozip.]

Added 4 new vids. All from 1.0b

[Xenozip.]

Added another set of 4 from 1.0b.

1.0c was released and looking good, so more vids to come later.

[G@B0]

You can add this video to the 1.0b section.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57gg2xPoj0
I will upload more videos soon.

[King9999]

I would like to try this game, but the download times out on me.

[TetsuAKA]

this game is fucking boss, but i need help on controls cause i cant read any of the shit. and in training i cant figure out how to make A.I. just stand there.

[Zaelar]

Directions are easy to read, the first moves are either A or B, just guess, the later ones are C, the supers. Really easy to figure out...

It says what to do to make the A.I. change in english so press 3 to die a painful death.

[TetsuAKA]

alright sounds good, then ill get my usb hookup for the cade stick and we shall have a fierce battle sir. give me like 2 more days to learn frame work and some juggles/mixup game... then i shall beast.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

alright sounds good, then ill get my usb hookup for the cade stick and we shall have a fierce battle sir. give me like 2 more days to learn frame work and some juggles/mixup game... then i shall beast.

IRC!!!! INfo in sig

[Random123456789]

Hey, I did a patch update to 1.0d. Does this game have a story, or extra's? Because when I go to either modes, they do not respond. I just need help on this. Thanks.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Hey, I did a patch update to 1.0d. Does this game have a story, or extra's? Because when I go to either modes, they do not respond. I just need help on this. Thanks.

No they werent added yet. 1.0d was only to fix a major bug he found in the game. Thats all

For matches and shit. IRC BABY! Shit is in my sig

[Random123456789]

Thanks man.

[Xiii]

this game is fucking boss, but i need help on controls cause i cant read any of the shit. and in training i cant figure out how to make A.I. just stand there.

In training mode hit ESC and look at the bottom of the screen. You should see stuff like:

[ F1 ] [ F2 ] etc...
[ Power Break ] [ Levels ] etc....

[ 1 ] [ 2 ] etc...
[ Guard ] [ No Guard ] ...

Tons of boxes that basically have a key and a quick descript of what the buttons do under. To make an opponent just stand there I believe you can just hit 3 when the game starts and the dummy will just stand there.

[Kenta Kobashi]

The only thing it needs for right now is more upbeat music.That 1600's shit ain't cuttin' it in this fast paced game.

[Xenozip.]

11 new vids up, check first post (or check my youtube (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Xenozip)).

Also, fooligar has submitted a short Othello combo clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNoW1Wud0Vo

@ Kenta Kobashi : New stages and music would be nice (and I'm sure they are working on adding them). But in the meantime, you could disable the BGM in the options menu and play some mp3's in winamp while you play. :)

[Xenozip.]

On a side note, I've started a Monster blog http://xenozip.blogspot.com/

It's a work in progress.

[G@B0]

Dude u dint post my video on the 1.0b section.
Anyway that Othello video was nice.

But it seems that I have the largest damage combo right now.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5654/combodestroyerdc4.jpg
And was on Freedom.
On Power this morning I did a bigger one of 8000 but didn't take a screen shoot.
I will try to this later.

[1/2Man1/2God]

game is HOTness.

i guess ur av proves that:angel: this game really is HOTness.better than TifaTanX2 thing i downloaded last night.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Dude u dint post my video on the 1.0b section.
Anyway that Othello video was nice.

But it seems that I have the largest damage combo right now.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5654/combodestroyerdc4.jpg
And was on Freedom.
On Power this morning I did a bigger one of 8000 but didn't take a screen shoot.
I will try to this later.

I think I have the largest damage combo. It was 10099 with Delga.

[1/2Man1/2God]

^ how do u take pics of ur desk top like that..digital camera?

[G@B0]

Nice then. SO I have the second one until I broke that record.

[MAGUS1234]

I think I have the largest damage combo. It was 10099 with Delga.

I think I win with full health Elfeet..ahem

[Xenozip.]

@ 1/2Man1/2God : Press the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard, it's next to scroll lock. That will save a copy of the screen onto your clip board. You can then paste it in an image editing program (like Paint, PS, PSP or whatever).

Dude u dint post my video on the 1.0b section.
Ooops, my bad. Added it now. Thanks for reminding me.

Hope to see more matches posted.

[1/2Man1/2God]

@ 1/2Man1/2God : Press the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard, it's next to scroll lock. That will save a copy of the screen onto your clip board. You can then paste it in an image editing program (like Paint, PS, PSP or whatever).

Ooops, my bad. Added it now. Thanks for reminding me.

Hope to see more matches posted.


thanks Xenozip..

[Emil]

Dude u dint post my video on the 1.0b section.
Anyway that Othello video was nice.

But it seems that I have the largest damage combo right now.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5654/combodestroyerdc4.jpg
And was on Freedom.
On Power this morning I did a bigger one of 8000 but didn't take a screen shoot.
I will try to this later.

My Siely combo in Monster does around 7600+ damage, and 8100 or so in Freedom.

[mr. newbie]

how do i install it? i dled teh online trailer and when i try to launch it i get a "monster.exe" error

[Xenozip.]

how do i install it? i dled teh online trailer and when i try to launch it i get a "monster.exe" error I don't think you want the online trailer (the trailer is version 1.99, which isn't what you want). You want 1.00 and then you want the 1.0d patch for it.

Read the first page in this thread: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=125477

[Xiii]

I smell a contest for highest damage per character soon.

[G@B0]

I smell a contest for highest damage per character soon.
It would be a great idea.
Max Damage per character in diferents modes.

[Xiii]

Because I was bored...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9632/aleksandrvb7.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aleksandrvb7.png)

[Spooty Whiteboy]

My highest damage:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/AWhiteboy/untitled.jpg

Cheated? :sweat:

[Xiii]

Spooty you hoe! Well, just as I've said in the IRC channel behind your Delga hacks, I broke 8K just because Harem is a hoe.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1373/aleksandr8667fp4.th.png (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aleksandr8667fp4.png)

[FullMetalRoss]

My highest damage:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/AWhiteboy/untitled.jpg

Cheated? :sweat:


wtf how did you get that? 99% damage? limit break? i still don't know

[Spooty Whiteboy]

wtf how did you get that? 99% damage? limit break? i still don't know

It went like this:

(hcf+A, hcf+A, hcf+A xx F1~F2)xN

Training mode only obviously. I'm a cheater. Had to be...so I could show how awesome I am.

[G@B0]

LOL I knew it. Is almost impossible to reach 10000 damage.

Mine is without cheating and I broke my record to 7949.
just luck. I will post the video later.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

LOL I knew it. Is almost impossible to reach 10000 damage.

Mine is without cheating and I broke my record to 7949.
just luck. I will post the video later.

No. I reached 10000 legit during 1.0a. In 1.0d the highest legit I can get is 9942 I think...or maybe it was 9908.

[Xiii]

Mine is without cheating and I broke my record to 7949.
just luck. I will post the video later.

Should try to break my record before posting a video XD (scroll up a couple posts).

[MiLky]

Shin Akuma can break 10000 legit, you have to use all 4 bars though.

http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monstergt7.jpg

[Rhio2k]

What are the ACTUAL damage ratios on these combos?...you know, in terms of percents. This 4-digit stuff doesn't tell me anything I can use or understand.

[Xiii]

The % is damage scaling on the last hit. Everybody has 10K hp in this game except for Efleet, but nobody uses him seriously anyways.

... and anything involving Efleet isn't worth gloating about, period.

[Emil]

What are the ACTUAL damage ratios on these combos?...you know, in terms of percents. This 4-digit stuff doesn't tell me anything I can use or understand.

I think 10000 damage is 100%. You can easily verify by doing 1000 damage until it takes off the training mode cpu's health.

[G@B0]

Should try to break my record before posting a video XD (scroll up a couple posts).

DUde I was focused on Rail only.
But u dare me and here is my response.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4091/biggerdamagefm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well seems that I broke ur record very easily. Now I dare u to break my record with Rail XD.

Hope i see more high damage challenges here. Im preparing a video with high damages, but im focused now in Rail.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

DUde I was focused on Rail only.
But u dare me and here is my response.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4091/biggerdamagefm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well seems that I broke ur record very easily. Now I dare u to break my record with Rail XD.

Hope i see more high damage challenges here. Im preparing a video with high damages, but im focused now in Rail.

Break mine with Delga. And I want a replay at least.

[G@B0]

XD Im not a Delga fan but I will try it. Im still wondering how u did it.
But I won't break it until u show me some evidence and replay.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

XD Im not a Delga fan but I will try it. Im still wondering how u did it.
But I won't break it until u show me some evidence and replay.

Ok. I'll have the shit by tomorrow (more than likely tonight). You know I'm good for it son.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Ok. I'll have the shit by tomorrow (more than likely tonight). You know I'm good for it son.

Ok. More like now:

http://files.filefront.com/Delga_10392rpy/;6728485;;/fileinfo.html

I really outdid myself. Made the combo even more damaging than before. Full damage again. Using a broke controller.

[Xiii]

Well seems that I broke ur record very easily. Now I dare u to break my record with Rail XD.

Right back at you, even though I don't know shit about Rail.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8195/rail8418cc5.png

[MAGUS1234]

Ok. More like now:

http://files.filefront.com/Delga_10392rpy/;6728485;;/fileinfo.html

I really outdid myself. Made the combo even more damaging than before. Full damage again. Using a broke controller.
we have a weiner!

[G@B0]

Ok. More like now:

http://files.filefront.com/Delga_103.../fileinfo.html

I really outdid myself. Made the combo even more damaging than before. Full damage again. Using a broke controller.

Dude, hands down. Definitely a great combo. But u could do more.
Before seeing the video I reach the 8500 in other that i can improve.
This with a little more improvement u can reach easily the 11000.

Now im tired. Next I will try to break ur record, but u still the winner right now.
This sound to be a extremely good video with high damage.

And I want replay of this. Seems to be F2 F4 trick.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8195/rail8418cc5.png

[Xiii]

The suspicion! Well since I don't remember what it was, I spent 5 minutes just doing a different Rail combo for you instead, but while doing it, I was experimenting with Monster Rail and right now I'm trying to break 9K with him. I'll upload a replay in about 10 minutes whether I can find a way or not.

And no, I don't press F2 or F4 anytime before or during that combo.


EDIT: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jx68r7
There you go, 5 replays of different combos.

- 8915 Damage
- 8963 Damage
- 9041 Damage
- 9194 Damage
- 9293 Damage

Pretty sure most or all 5 of them are all in Monster.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Dude, hands down. Definitely a great combo. But u could do more.
Before seeing the video I reach the 8500 in other that i can improve.
This with a little more improvement u can reach easily the 11000.

Here's the new number to beat. I'm not giving a replay of this one, because I don't want to give away how I got a few hundred points higher (Turbovec gave me the idea though...even if he doesn't know it). I promise it's legit though.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/AWhiteboy/untitled2.jpg

Oh, and I don't think 11,000 is going to be possible.

[Xenozip.]

video update http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Xenozip - 12 new (see first post for direct links).

blog update http://xenozip.blogspot.com/

[/plug]

[Clear Sky]

Excellent blog Xenozip. Always interesting and informative. It's pretty much the only interesting thing about this game for me, since I don't play it anymore.

[PozerWolf]

Hrm... I remember turning this game down due to the character design (just like all doujins I try).
Tho, it does seem like a decent amount of people are really getting into it espcially with the online feature (supposly good net coding). The only cool thing I did find about this game were those random quotes that popped up during supers and during rounds, haha.

Never tried online, I suppose I can get this game another shot =/

[Xenozip.]

Fun casuals/tournament tonight everyone, I'll post up some stuff later before bed.

-snip- Thanks.

-snip- I know what you mean. I get into games because I see a character and then I pick it up to see how it goes (monster, jojo's, melty blood, guilty gear, 3s, sfa3, etc).

The good news is they are still working on the game (it's not really finished yet). So if you still don't like any of the current characters you might want to check back when there's a larger character roster.

[MiLky]

... and anything involving Efleet isn't worth gloating about, period.

Haven't looked at this thread in a few, but if you were referring to me as gloating... I was half joking, just posting it was possible at the time to break 10k. Took me like 5 minutes to test it, he has like THREE moves. I see Spooty did it with Delga, GJ.

Now I have only been playing this here and there, my Delga does OK, I like the game etc... I don't see what the worry is with Efleet? Did I miss something? This is like the one character that alot of JPN newbies play against me. I don't think I've lost to him once. He is like the worst character in the game. No options, dies in one combo, what can he do to beat you? He is bottom tier in my book, but maybe someone has secret tricks with him?? Maybe if this game had a time limit, or you couldn't turtle and power break him once, maybe twice for the kill, I'd consider him playable.

Anyway, I only play this every once in awhile for fun, but if someone went on a huge win streak with Efleet, I would say it would be something to gloat about, because he's garbage. Or maybe I'm a scrub that doesn't know what makes Efleet good. I've only played against him, other than messing around in training.

[Xiii]

I thought that as well until yesturday's mock tournament where I my Aleks' 5C got push blocked by Efleet. Aleks' 5C is unblockable by every character and since Efleet can apparently block it and Aleks can't throw, Efleet can effectively block, throw and just spam fireballs that track you across the entire screen. He can also do 3.5K damage easily off his B with no meter and shift.

EDIT: Just checked in 1.0d and it seems Efleet is rather glitchy. Seems as though Efleet can only block the unblockables while standing up. He cannot do it while crouching however, but it still makes this the most broken match up in the game as in Aleks cannot fight this at all. He basically loses for free because Efleet can block everything Aleks has, Aleks can't throw and he has no lows and the only move that does any chip damage are his supers. Efleet can just hold back, shift and super chip to win everytime no matter how long the match will take. If Efleet isn't stupid, there is no way Aleks can win, period. I might be blind-sided by something at the light of this stupidness, but can people really dispute the stupidity of this matchup?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

I thought that as well until yesturday's mock tournament where I my Aleks' 5C got push blocked by Efleet. Aleks' 5C is unblockable by every character and since Efleet can apparently block it and Aleks can't throw, Efleet can effectively block, throw and just spam fireballs that track you across the entire screen. He can also do 3.5K damage easily off his B with no meter and shift.

EDIT: Just checked in 1.0d and it seems Efleet is rather glitchy. Seems as though Efleet can only block the unblockables while standing up. He cannot do it while crouching however, but it still makes this the most broken match up in the game as in Aleks cannot fight this at all. He basically loses for free because Efleet can block everything Aleks has, Aleks can't throw and he has no lows and the only move that does any chip damage are his supers. Efleet can just hold back, shift and super chip to win everytime no matter how long the match will take. If Efleet isn't stupid, there is no way Aleks can win, period. I might be blind-sided by something at the light of this stupidness, but can people really dispute the stupidity of this matchup?

Yeah i Noticed this too. You cannot mix up efleet because he doesnt have low block animation. So he can pretty much stand there block everything and not be mixed up.

Freedom edit: Good games Chibita/4949. Fun shit. You were getting better during the set keep it up!

[Xenozip.]

-snip- Efleet is bottom tier.

The problem isn't that he's any good, the problem is that it's incredibly boring to fight him because his best option is to run away and chip you. Plus his fighting mechanics are retarded (mash b lol, shift mash c lol).

Take Maya vs Efleet, for example. Efleet has almost no trouble at all keeping away from Maya by doing dash jump j.B to fly safely across the screen. So what happens in this match is Efleet runs away until he can shift and throw fireballs once per activation. Maya has the option to shift and use her super to powerbreak the fireballs, but then she no longer has shift or super, so if she doesn't kill him in the initial powerbreak he is free to chip the living shit out of her with a fully-invulnerable wake-up super into fireball spam for the remainder of his shift -- and then back to run-away shenanigans to rebuild shift.

What it basically boils down to is a very long and boring process of chasing and blocking and waiting. Not that it's hard to kill him once you actually pin him down, it's just that having to pin him down is so boring. That's with the exception of Aleksander, who can't stop Efleet from blocking.

Anyway, he's an incomplete boss character and most (incomplete/full) boss characters are soft banned, so why should he be any different -- who cares if he sucks or not. I don't personally have a problem with people playing him in casual, but for ranbats/tournaments I think he should be hard banned.

It's not like this is Garou where the bosses are actually fleshed out and balanced with the rest of the cast. It's more like MvC1/2 Onslaught/Abyss, except Efleet's able to block.

[Xenozip.]

Updated first post with new vids.

The "mock tourny" (if you didn't know), was just an unofficial test-run that Shin Touyokouzan (AyaImmortal) ran to get things going and to get things ready for the first official one on Sunday the 18th (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=126434).

Sorry I haven't updated the first post in a while. If you don't see me post for a while just check my YouTube, I try to add at least something daily. Also been trying to update my blog daily.

[bloodriot]

I don't see the full dl I only see the trailer download?

[Whodat]

I'm really going to have to play with you guys sometime soon and actually show you the reason why E Fleet should be banned. From what I'm reading you guys are playing with him all wrong, but then again I could be wrong as well.

[Whodat]

How come everyone always disconnects after I beat them with E Fleet? I mean isn't he supposed to be the worst character in the game? *sigh*

[Xiii]

He's not considered worst, but more on the lines of broken. Only thing bad about him is his def is crap and takes 1 good combo to kill him. That and he is very bad at playing offensively.

He can win a lot of matches by simply fireballing you to death and doing a 3 hit combo for 3.5K+ damage without meter. His fireball shifted does almost 4K if you can hit it and he can effectively play runaway and shoot fireballs that track you all day.

He is only ranked low because nobody has ever seriously wanted to take the time to even place him on any tier list, first impression you get of him is that he's a scrub character because he does lots of damage and dies in 1 combo. He's not supposed to be used in any serious form because he is a broken character with very few retarded damaging moves, instant wake-up super that pushes you across the entire screen and fireballs that can effectively track, chip and kill you without much effort.

So you can rank him where you want, but as he is right now, he won't be put on any tier list because you can't compete with him in any US Online Tournament that is conducted by members from #8105Monster on EFNet (first Monster community on SRK).



And also, Aleksandr would be the official worst character in the game because he can't beat Efleet, period.

[DragonCharlz]

Man, I think Efleet is nearly unstoppable if played right. Whenever I play Whodat the matches look really stupid and my options are usually completely gone for 1/2 the match. Maybe noone else is playing him like that...

[4649]

Efleet = Gill
don't play him :/

[Emil]

Man, I think Efleet is nearly unstoppable if played right. Whenever I play Whodat the matches look really stupid and my options are usually completely gone for 1/2 the match. Maybe noone else is playing him like that...

You probably ARE WhoDat...in any case, no Efleet isn't really that good. He has to play really really safe, and just one mistake will cost him the match. His attacks are also very slow. The main trouble would occur if you got knocked down while he has already begun throwing his projectiles, in which case it would be hard to get in if he continues to use it...but that's assuming he gets a chance to throw those out.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

You probably ARE WhoDat...in any case, no Efleet isn't really that good. He has to play really really safe, and just one mistake will cost him the match. His attacks are also very slow. The main trouble would occur if you got knocked down while he has already begun throwing his projectiles, in which case it would be hard to get in if he continues to use it...but that's assuming he gets a chance to throw those out.

haha So true so true. But we are still banning him lol

[Xiii]

Because every Aleks player (erm... only me?) will complain when fighting Efleet.

[Emil]

Because every Aleks player (erm... only me?) will complain when fighting Efleet.

Does Alexander have any semi-useful crossups? I think that might be the only way to fight Efleet then, assuming everything else you said about the matchup is true.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Does Alexander have any semi-useful crossups? I think that might be the only way to fight Efleet then, assuming everything else you said about the matchup is true.

As far as I know of...he doesn't. Only good thing about him is unblockables. But that doesn't work against Efleet.

Also, I guess my top damage was too much for anyone to pass. That topic got completely dropped after I posted my last one. Damn...I'm good.

[Emil]

As far as I know of...he doesn't. Only good thing about him is unblockables. But that doesn't work against Efleet.

Also, I guess my top damage was too much for anyone to pass. That topic got completely dropped after I posted my last one. Damn...I'm good.

I'll beat it if I'm bored...I'm a combomaker after all.

[Xiii]

Aleks can cross-up with j.C, but for that to work, you'd have to actually be able to jump without getting hit by his A, B or Tracking Fireball... that and he has no safe moves, you can literally burst out of everything.

[Whodat]

For one DragonCharlz and I are two different people. If you've actually seen our videos that we put online there's proff, but enough about that.

I honestly don't like using E Fleet. I think it's funny to beat people with him, but that's about it. Honestly, my real character is Maya. DragonCharlz is the Siely player that you played earlier Xiii. In any case I don't see why you all are upset about the way some people are playing E fleet (save for Xiii because he uses Aleks). The way I see it is that the style of play you all describe with E fleet is really unsafe. To be honest, of the few moves that E fleet has I think his projectile is the worst. It's really slow, if the person doesn't jump it's not going to hit them, plus anyone in the game (save for Maya and Aleks) can run in and get in 2 hits and block before the projectile even hit them (mind you that 2 hits is pretty much 50% life on E fleet).

I'll put up a video soon of how I feel he should be played, and it's not that spam A shift spam C stuff that everyone seems to be talking about.

[MAGUS1234]

Everyone pulls whenv I woop em with maya too :(

[W3s]

I pull from everyone who isnt magus

[Xenozip.]

I don't see the full dl I only see the trailer download?

Check simulation style http://www.simulationstyle.com/monster.html

[rogueyoshi]

Also, I guess my top damage was too much for anyone to pass. That topic got completely dropped after I posted my last one. Damn...I'm good.
i think i win'd your top damage challenge.

rogueyoshi delga 100.rar (http://www.zshare.net/download/rogueyoshi-delga-100-rar.html)

keep in mind that this is in version 1.0d, so it doesnt use limit breaker.

[Rhythm1c]

- The network code for this game is fantastic! Rather than having input delay, they opted to slow the framerate down to compensate for the lag. NO input delay online!



Ah, I should have read this thread earlier and I wouldn't have to wonder if something was wrong with my framerate X_X

[Clear Sky]

You know what's dumb? The fact that Ryougen can parry Aleksandr's unblockables! That's just unfair. :arazz:

[Xenozip.]

i think i win'd your top damage challenge.

rogueyoshi delga 100.rar (http://www.zshare.net/download/rogueyoshi-delga-100-rar.html)

keep in mind that this is in version 1.0d, so it doesnt use limit breaker.
LOL
You know what's dumb? The fact that Ryougen can parry Aleksandr's unblockables! That's just unfair. :arazz: Ryougen can also parry Delga's command throw, hahahaha. It's so messed up, it can parry nearly everything high/mid/low/projectile/whatever.

It's baitable and punishable though, but in freedom it's even more ridiculous since it's fully cancelable. His DP (catch move) is pretty buff too.

[PsychoMistress]

Would have been nice to play, but it seems to be too much of hassle to even acquire the full version. I don't read Japanese, and I don't know what all these Japanese terms even mean at these download sites.

http://www.simulationstyle.com/monster.html requires some kind of registration for anything I click on, and the main page is no help at all. Touhou? Dojin Soft? Wtf?


A nice straight-forward English download site (that I don't have to regsiter at) would be nice that offers the full version instead of a trailer

[Harem]

Would have been nice to play, but it seems to be too much of hassle to even acquire the full version. I don't read Japanese, and I don't know what all these Japanese terms even mean at these download sites.

http://www.simulationstyle.com/monster.html requires some kind of registration for anything I click on, and the main page is no help at all. Touhou? Dojin Soft? Wtf?


A nice straight-forward English download site (that I don't have to regsiter at) would be nice that offers the full version instead of a trailer

Henaki posted a filefront dl link in the other Monster thread here~

Edit: Look for the thread called Monster: The most awesome doujin fighter yet?

Xeno links to that thread on first page of this thread.

The dl is on the first page.

[PsychoMistress]

Henaki posted a filefront dl link in the other Monster thread here~

Edit: Look for the thread called Monster: The most awesome doujin fighter yet?

Xeno links to that thread on first page of this thread.

The dl is on the first page.

Then maybe I'm missing something because I've already downloaded from that filefront link and all I got outta that was the trailer. Maybe the game is there, but since the readme is in Japanese, I can't tell.

Same thing with that first thread. .exe is just a movie.

Edit: Nevermind, I got my folders mixed up.

Still, the control setup is in. . .Japanese.

[Harem]

Then maybe I'm missing something because I've already downloaded from that filefront link and all I got outta that was the trailer. Maybe the game is there, but since the readme is in Japanese, I can't tell.

Same thing with that first thread. .exe is just a movie.

Edit: Nevermind, I got my folders mixed up.

Still, the control setup is in. . .Japanese.

The control setup is pretty easy to figure out though. o_o;

Just be sure to set P2 controls the same as P1.

[Xenozip.]

Config:

P1 |
Up | BGM volume
Down | SFX volume
Left |
Right | # of Rounds
A |
B | Windowed/Fullscreen
C |
Shift |
Start (pause) |

_________________________________
Wait mode (for network play)
Name
Comment Play
OK
Cancel


Like Harem said, if you plan on playing over the network then you should set the P1 and P2 controls to the same buttons, so that you're able to play when you host and when you join. Don't worry about training mode, you can use the training options to make the opponent do what you want.

Also for hosting you need TCP port 2300 open in firewalls/routers (but you should still be able to join).

If you can't find anyone to play with on the network screen, jump on IRC and see if anyone's up for a game. :)

[Zaelar]

Why do people say to set p1 and p2 controlls the same? I haven't and I haven't had a problem.

[Xenozip.]

Because if you're hosting then it uses player 1 controls, and if you're joining it uses player 2.

If you use a fully functional controller then it doesn't matter. If you're on a keyboard or using J2K then you need to set both players to the same inputs so you don't have to switch when you switch sides.

[rogueyoshi]

For one DragonCharlz and I are two different people. If you've actually seen our videos that we put online there's proff, but enough about that.

I honestly don't like using E Fleet. I think it's funny to beat people with him, but that's about it. Honestly, my real character is Maya. DragonCharlz is the Siely player that you played earlier Xiii. In any case I don't see why you all are upset about the way some people are playing E fleet (save for Xiii because he uses Aleks). The way I see it is that the style of play you all describe with E fleet is really unsafe. To be honest, of the few moves that E fleet has I think his projectile is the worst. It's really slow, if the person doesn't jump it's not going to hit them, plus anyone in the game (save for Maya and Aleks) can run in and get in 2 hits and block before the projectile even hit them (mind you that 2 hits is pretty much 50% life on E fleet).

I'll put up a video soon of how I feel he should be played, and it's not that spam A shift spam C stuff that everyone seems to be talking about.
ok after playing your efleet, i can say this much. efleet is the best noob killer. but theres not much keeping an experienced player from tearing him apart. i will admit, at first i was shocked by the corner lockdown. but then i looked at the points and was like 'damn, efleet's toast'. efleet puts up his opponents points like crazy. all it takes is any counter hit, no matter how invincible your moves are, and its a free 100% pb combo. at least you tried to mix me up with that throw, but an option select backdash works wonders against it. although getting a pb against t-efleet's standing A requires some timing, its not too hard to get it consistently.

[Shocky II]

That Tranquility Efleet invincible A threw me off guard too for the first few rounds, then it was Delga slam > 90-100% combo for the win.

[MAGUS1234]

heres what sucks, Katze can barely combo his s8uper anymore :( his qcf mp never connects

[Harem]

heres what sucks, Katze can barely combo his s8uper anymore :( his qcf mp never connects

I know you feel. I almost want to cry every time it misses. >[

:sad: :sad:

[rogueyoshi]

heres what sucks, Katze can barely combo his s8uper anymore :( his qcf mp never connects
yeah, i noticed you missing those links sometimes.i fear katze's links, lol.

[G@B0]

Srry guys for my absence here.
Dam studies are making me go crazy.
Well I notice that there are more high damage combos.
I have some free time yesterday so I broke the last high damage combo for Rail.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5328/ganehd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now the combo to break is the Delga one.
But I will do it in the next free time, probably one week.

I have the replay for this combo but i will not post it. Figure out yourself.

[Darkstalker]

Christ, MONSTER Rail?

Is he any good in practical matches? I thought he was very limited in modes that are not Freedom, as it seems like he desperately needs those free cancels.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Monster has alot of things that havent been discovered yet such as character potentials in different grooves outside of what we are used to. So if people start seeing some random shit coming up, Then dont be suprised

[King9999]

Is there a mirror where I can download this game? Anything I download at Simulation Style times out.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

i think i win'd your top damage challenge.

rogueyoshi delga 100.rar (http://www.zshare.net/download/rogueyoshi-delga-100-rar.html)

keep in mind that this is in version 1.0d, so it doesnt use limit breaker.

Umm...you didn't win. Last page, top post. I made around 10,800 legit. You only hit around 10,400.

EDIT: To clarify. I'm still awesome.

[Xenozip.]

Christ, MONSTER Rail?

Is he any good in practical matches? I thought he was very limited in modes that are not Freedom, as it seems like he desperately needs those free cancels. Monster Rail is actually extremely good if played properly.

[Harem]

Christ, MONSTER Rail?

Is he any good in practical matches? I thought he was very limited in modes that are not Freedom, as it seems like he desperately needs those free cancels.

You don't play M Rail like you would F Rail.

M Rail is more about the keepaway then LOL GET IN CORNER AND SPAM 214A combos.

Play someone like Fooligar's M Rail and you will see. ;(

[Xenozip.]

signups http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=126781

[hellhound7]

does rail still play like he did in 1.0b

[Xiii]

Can't spirit spam as much anymore.

[hellhound7]

that sucks. worked well against people who didn't know how to block.

[Xiii]

Thank you to everybody who participated in the Ranbat today, replays will be posted by Xeno soon.

[BoringRyu]

Ranbat was great. Weird connection with lots of people but lots of fun.

Also I love burst throws. Yeah Xiii, I'm going to f'ing whore them on you now!

And Aleks still scares the shit out of me.

[rogueyoshi]

Siely ain't getting top 3 this Sunday!
you're correct. i only came second with t-siely.

[Xiii]

lol fat screw you to you Yosh! I should have tried harder to peace you out early on lol. Bastard sending me to losers where I had to face Xeno's Ryuogen. Come on, Ryuogen vs Aleks is almost as bad as Aleks vs Efleet.

EDIT: Screw Xeno not posting it. http://members.cox.net/ldu_808/us-tourney2.rar <--- 1st Official US Monster RanBat

[bloodriot]

ANYONE HAVE A DIRECT LINK TO DL THIS GAME!?

Thanks very much

[Shin Touyokouzan]

http://files.filefront.com/MONSTERzi.../fileinfo.html

Your welcome <3

[King9999]

http://files.filefront.com/MONSTERzi.../fileinfo.html

Your welcome <3

The link just takes you to the main page. I did a search for it, but didn't come up with anything.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

The link just takes you to the main page. I did a search for it, but didn't come up with anything.

Thats weird.... Ill have to check that out

[thelawal]

That's because the link isn't complete.

This the link:
Download Monster 1.0 (http://files.filefront.com/6609330)

You will need to go to the 8105Grpahics site to get the update to 1.0d

[1/2Man1/2God]

I WANNA PLAY THIS NOW...fuckin at school though.:annoy:

[Xenozip.]

Yeah I think the url dre was trying to post was this: File Front Monster (http://files.filefront.com/MONSTERzip/;6609330;;/fileinfo.html)

Which I linked to already, wtf. :|

Henaki posted it here nearly a month ago: Post #10 (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3586639#post3586639)

[bloodriot]

That's because the link isn't complete.

This the link:
Download Monster 1.0 (http://files.filefront.com/6609330)

You will need to go to the 8105Grpahics site to get the update to 1.0d

Thanks very much lawal :sweat:

awesome!

seems a bit big though? how many charas has this game got again like 9 am I right?

[Harem]

Thanks very much lawal :sweat:

awesome!

seems a bit big though? how many charas has this game got again like 9 am I right?

Games such as MB are like 2 gigs so this really has nothing on them space-wise. :/

[bloodriot]

yeah but doesn't that have like 20+ charas

anyways, still game seems quite cool, just kinda of a big dl for the ghetto internet line

[Darkstalker]

Game has:
- Katze
- Siely
- Rail
- Ryougen
- Delga
- Maya
- Othello
- Aleksander
- Orju
- Efleet

10 characters. And 3 "modes" per character, so it's about 30 really. Some characters really change, depending on the mode that they're using.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Yeah I think the url dre was trying to post was this: File Front Monster (http://files.filefront.com/MONSTERzip/;6609330;;/fileinfo.html)

Which I linked to already, wtf. :|

Henaki posted it here nearly a month ago: Post #10 (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=3586639#post3586639)

My bad:sweat:

[bloodriot]

Game has:
- Katze
- Siely
- Rail
- Ryougen
- Delga
- Maya
- Othello
- Aleksander
- Orju
- Efleet

10 characters. And 3 "modes" per character, so it's about 30 really. Some characters really change, depending on the mode that they're using.

yeah okay that's kinda better and the grafix look cool too, only porblem now is the ghetto internet line :( too bad the dl is one huge ass dl and not broken into pieces, eh well

I'll dl it soon

[Xiii]

Download managers help a lot.

[bloodriot]

nah the shit just keeps getting corrupted on my side :....(

edonkey

more like ehonkey

[Xenozip.]

Highlights Reel went live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2nGDAVpmw

[eddymasta]

Highlights Reel went live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2nGDAVpmw

Nice to see how far all of you guys have come. Right now i'm just waiting for the patch that has new chars in it. I'm hoping they'll add somebody that caters to my playstyle a bit :)

[Xiii]

Hopefully if all goes well, your wish might come true during the next couple of updates.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Well angry your going to be waiting for a good while lol.

[Emil]

Nice to see how far all of you guys have come. Right now i'm just waiting for the patch that has new chars in it. I'm hoping they'll add somebody that caters to my playstyle a bit :)

I think it would be better to give more depth to the current characters, than to create new ones.

[Xiii]

I think the characters themselves have a lot of depth (aside from Aleksandr and Efleet) and really most of us don't even play the characters properly yet. There are still a lot of things we need to work on to get ourselves to the level of the japanese players and we should be working to get there since with new netcode coming soon, we might not have to wait too long before fighting specialists of any character we wish to play against. From watching older replays, we're still quite a bit behind in understanding how to effectively use a lot of the characters in the game.

EDIT: and P.S. Update your 1st post with the new highlight vid!

[Matarick]

Can I configure my own buttons with the PSX to USB adapters? Also, does netplay support a text/voice chat lobby in between matches?

This may seem like an interesting game and would give it a shot tomorrow. Even though I am not too crazy about furries but at least there isn't many young maidens fighting.

Who knows, Capcom might outsource development of the next Vampire to these folks and fighting games will get some unique DNA again (especially if 8105graphics is allowed to tinker with the SF engine)?

The biggest question is where can I buy the game since I hate downloading Doujin games online. Heck I even paid premium for Melty Blood and Melty Blood ReAct at Otakon 2006 so I can say to myself that I got legit copies of those games.

[Xiii]

Can I configure my own buttons with the PSX to USB adapters? Also, does netplay support a text/voice chat lobby in between matches?

You can use a program called Joy2Key or Pinnacle Game Profiler to map the buttons to your controller. This game currently does not allow you to map most controllers properly by itself.

Who knows, Capcom might outsource development of the next Vampire to these folks and fighting games will get some unique DNA again (especially if 8105graphics is allowed to tinker with the SF engine)?

Capcom probably won't do that and there really doesn't seem to be any hope of a new Vampire game in the works anytime soon (I would really love to see one, but chances don't seem too good). Also 8105graphics is more of a collaboration of artists. There's only one known programmer working on Monster.

The biggest question is where can I buy the game since I hate downloading Doujin games online. Heck I even paid premium for Melty Blood and Melty Blood ReAct at Otakon 2006 so I can say to myself that I got legit copies of those games.

This game has not been officially released yet because it's not finished. We are all currently playing the beta version of the game. The only way to get it at the moment is to download it.

http://files.filefront.com/MONSTERzip/;6609330;;/fileinfo.html is the best place to download it currently.

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Can I configure my own buttons with the PSX to USB adapters? Also, does netplay support a text/voice chat lobby in between matches?

This may seem like an interesting game and would give it a shot tomorrow. Even though I am not too crazy about furries but at least there isn't many young maidens fighting.

Who knows, Capcom might outsource development of the next Vampire to these folks and fighting games will get some unique DNA again (especially if 8105graphics is allowed to tinker with the SF engine)?

The biggest question is where can I buy the game since I hate downloading Doujin games online. Heck I even paid premium for Melty Blood and Melty Blood ReAct at Otakon 2006 so I can say to myself that I got legit copies of those games.

THe creator of monster actually did artwork for capcom at one point for darkstalkers.

[smacks]

tell him to make frog char so i can rape everyone k?

[Son Them All]

I just need to figure out how to properly play online then maybe I'll be able to progress abit.

[Xenozip.]

Refer to this post for help with online play: here (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3645625&postcount=13)

[Xenozip.]

I've updated my youtube page here (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Xenozip) with new vids. Sorry haven't updated the first post, I'll get to it in a bit.

Also updated my blog (http://xenozip.blogspot.com/).

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Man this game is just toooo fucking good! Orjuice baby!

[Henaki]

THe creator of monster actually did artwork for capcom at one point for darkstalkers.

out of curiosity is he planning on cleaning up the sprites? they're suitable and everything but they're still blurry as all hell and the game looks like shit in still captures. and is there a rough estimation on when they new character patch is coming?

[Shin Touyokouzan]

out of curiosity is he planning on cleaning up the sprites? they're suitable and everything but they're still blurry as all hell and the game looks like shit in still captures. and is there a rough estimation on when they new character patch is coming?

Yeah he is working on that actually. New characters might not come until end of May possibly mid june. To me the game is fine. But yeah it does need a little work. Characters are his biggest thing right now.

[Darkstalker]

Does M-Rail have a limit to his spirit spam? Seems like he can just throw his spirits out anytime and anywhere. >_>

[Shin Touyokouzan]

Does M-Rail have a limit to his spirit spam? Seems like he can just throw his spirits out anytime and anywhere. >_>

There is no limit yo

[Xenozip.]

Wow, Siely's damage scaling is is ridiculous.

A -10%
B -5%
C -2%
2A -10%
2B -5%
2C -2% / -2%
j.A -10%
j.B -8%
j.C -5% / -5% / -5%

6C throw -30%
4C throw [/b]-0%

214b -5% / -5% / -5% / -5% / -5%
214a [b]-20% (air also)
623b -20% (air also)
41236a = 8 hits, 5% per hit but scales to -42%

In Freedom all her stats are the same except 41236a doesn't seem to scale damage. And ground 623b only does -10% instead of -20%
No wonder her freedom combos are so weak, she'd need to do a combo consisting entirely of C attacks to do anything susbstantial.

The best damage I've found with her so far is just 2bc shift 66c [41236a 41236a doublejump j.c]xN

:|

[4649]

Wow, Siely's damage scaling is is ridiculous.

A -10%
B -5%
C -2%
2A -10%
2B -5%
2C -2% / -2%
j.A -10%
j.B -8%
j.C -5% / -5% / -5%

6C throw -30%
4C throw [/b]-0%

214b -5% / -5% / -5% / -5% / -5%
214a [b]-20% (air also)
623b -20% (air also)
41236a = 8 hits, 5% per hit but scales to -42%

In Freedom all her stats are the same except 41236a doesn't seem to scale damage. And ground 623b only does -10% instead of -20%
No wonder her freedom combos are so weak, she'd need to do a combo consisting entirely of C attacks to do anything susbstantial.

The best damage I've found with her so far is just 2bc shift 66c [41236a 41236a doublejump j.c]xN

:|

;_; STOP REMINDING ME THAT I'M PLAYING THE CHARACTER WITH THE WORST DAMAGE PRORATION EVER

[<3.]

Hey folks. I've been trying to get into the game, and though I've been lurking around shoryuken for months this, Monster, is what finnaly got me to register.

That said, lets talk about the game.

I started out with aleksandr before I saw the tiers, he looked so out of place among the cast I just couldn't help but give him a try. As I played around with him in training and with friends I loved how easy it seemed to lock people down, and the strength of his super specials. Then I decided to try and get some info on the guy, like for example what are the differences in T,F, and M for him... if any. I found nothing no ones even posted ideas about him. I looked into it and found out little bbit on why he's concidered so bad, it's rediculously easy to lock him up since his only fast attack takes longer than most other character's b attacks. (and probablly has the shortest range in the game mind you) Making the only way to escape shift 90% of the time.
Regardless it'd be cool if I could bounce thoughts of of someone who'd played him.

I main F-Siely though, I'll probablly end up switching to M though after seeing that damage scaling post. Siely really has no huge advantages in Freedom so... yeah.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Hey folks. I've been trying to get into the game, and though I've been lurking around shoryuken for months this, Monster, is what finnaly got me to register.

That said, lets talk about the game.

I started out with aleksandr before I saw the tiers, he looked so out of place among the cast I just couldn't help but give him a try. As I played around with him in training and with friends I loved how easy it seemed to lock people down, and the strength of his super specials. Then I decided to try and get some info on the guy, like for example what are the differences in T,F, and M for him... if any. I found nothing no ones even posted ideas about him. I looked into it and found out little bbit on why he's concidered so bad, it's rediculously easy to lock him up since his only fast attack takes longer than most other character's b attacks. (and probablly has the shortest range in the game mind you) Making the only way to escape shift 90% of the time.
Regardless it'd be cool if I could bounce thoughts of of someone who'd played him.

I main F-Siely though, I'll probablly end up switching to M though after seeing that damage scaling post. Siely really has no huge advantages in Freedom so... yeah.

Ok. IRC chat room. #8105Monster

That's where we talk most of the strats.

If you can find a time when people are actually on.

[Emil]

I main F-Siely though, I'll probablly end up switching to M though after seeing that damage scaling post. Siely really has no huge advantages in Freedom so... yeah.

No advantages in Freedom? You're just looking at the damage scaling, not her actual rushdown mixup in that mode (which is huge). Siely is a lot crappier in Monster mode, after you realize how the point system totally destroys what would initially seem to be a good projectile, her qcb+A in Monster mode.

[Xiii]

Regardless it'd be cool if I could bounce thoughts of of someone who'd played him.

Come on in and visit the channel like Spootz said. There are a bunch of people with general knowledge already there. I main Aleks, so if you want to ask any questions, feel free to ask me.