Useful/Useless Characters/Things In Video Games [Archive]

ReggieHadoken

02-01-2007, 12:22 AM

One of the most useful characters of all-time IMO is a man that doesn't even get an ounce of screen time. Ness's dad from Earth Bound. Ness is out saving the world and what is his father doing? Dipositing lots of sacks of cash into his son's bank account!! "Hi son! Just wanted you to know that I put $3500 into your account. Don't spend it all in 30 places, OK? You stay safe and give your mother my love!" I don't even know what his dad does but he must be making lots of dough if he can give his kid that kind of dough whenever he feels like it. Ness's dad cares so much about his son that he'd rather have him stay at the fanciest hotel in town than some crappy Motel 6 or whatever its called. He's a true frickin' hero, man!!!

I'll go ahead and get one of the most useless characters out of the way first: Edward from Final Fantasy IV. Good grief, what a sorry sack of a 16-bit sprite. I mean, it sucks that he lost his girl and all but, if Cecil can still rock hard after he took so many innocent lives, his girl was kidnapped and his best friend betrayed him, what's Edward's excuse? And to further implement his uselessness, he comes with a command called Hide. "OK, guys, I'm gonna cover my own anus and hide while you guys are getting yours kicked."

More to come.

white shadow

02-01-2007, 12:35 AM

Ness' dad saved me from bankrupcy many times, bless his heart.

Toads from Mario are useless. How are you guys supposed to guard the princess when you can't even protect yourselves?!

VG Emblem

02-01-2007, 12:37 AM

Attack magic in general in the Final Fantasy III remake for the DS. It's pretty much easy enough to hit with several physical attackers every round for 9999 damage. The only reason magic is even remotely useful is for healing after battle/in boss battles.

ViciousSLASH

02-01-2007, 12:39 AM

T.G. CID nigga.

Best boss fight in FFT's is when you face the wizard of the Zodiac braves.

Music is all epic, lots of shit talking before the battle, and then you can end it in one fucking turn with Orlandu. Easy lolz.

Fudd

02-01-2007, 12:49 AM

Useful

The Izuna Drop in Ninja Gaiden ('Box version)
All of my friends I've spoken to who've played through the game all agree that the move is a goddamned life-saver. Shit's abuseable, except against bosses.
I'll also throw in the Fire Wheel ninpo for honorable mention. That shit was definitely top-tier in the NES version.

Useless

The special weapon "Falcon" in U.N. Squadron. It's this little missile/bomb that skims over the ground until it hits something or flies off the screen.
It's quite easily the most useless weapon in the game.

All I could really think of off the top of my head.

ViciousSLASH

02-01-2007, 12:52 AM

Most abuseable thing in Ninja Gaiden was the falcon swallow slash thing where you flew through the air straight at enemies.

You just had to jump around all over the place doing that and you were good to go.

Ralfa and Malik were completely useless in FFT's. IGNORE FAITH!

SRKev

02-01-2007, 12:53 AM

USELESS:

Dan Hibiki's Taunt Super: Nigga if I'm gonna waste my super bars you better do more than two-step your way around the stage!:arazz:

Sweaters on Dogs: Pets don't need clothes!

Dasrik

02-01-2007, 12:53 AM

Demi spells never work on anyone that matters.

As for ridiculously useful things, parry in 3s ^_^

edit: Toad isn't useless. That fucker moves like a bat out of hell in SMB2.

Stuckey

02-01-2007, 01:09 AM

USELESS:

Sweaters on Dogs: Pets don't need clothes!

My girl would fight you if she heard you say that. Her dog dresses better than I do.

*InVeRs3*

02-01-2007, 02:02 AM

Kimari was just total ass. Everyone had a specialty, but Kimari in FFX wasn't the jack of all trades master of none that square wanted him to be. He just ended up sucking at everything.

In FFT it seems like white mages suck ass. Chemists seem to be better and more efficient imo. Correct me if i'm wrong though I never even put any effort in white mages. I only used them to get a new class.

02-01-2007, 02:22 AM

Depending on the game, dizzy/confuse/sleep/death spells often suck ass in RPGs.

That move in some of the Shinobi games where you explode, but take enemies with you.

Strider's wall move in MvC2. That shit needs to be 720°+KK or some shit, just so people would never do that move on accident and fuck themselves over. Terrible...

MOD

02-01-2007, 02:26 AM

kirby's spike power just blows

kirby's electric power owns all

DropKick Murphy

02-01-2007, 02:28 AM

Elektra in Ultimate alliance was pretty whack.

{PFH}-Lake

02-01-2007, 03:07 AM

Proto Man-I like Proto Man and everything but hes just useless, i meen what can he do besides just tell megaman things he already knows. Not just that it seems he never really fights or does anything. I wish Proto Man would get his own game. Damn even Axel can fight but why not Proto Man?

PS. Ya i know Proto man saved megaman in part 5 but still thats all ive seen him ever help megaman

Kirby as sleep is really useless
Roll in MVC2 is also useless

MrQuotes

02-01-2007, 03:24 AM

PsychoSquall

02-01-2007, 04:05 AM

GOOD
-Spreadshot in Contra.

SUCK
-The 'F' Fireball weapon in Contra.

ReggieHadoken

02-01-2007, 05:36 AM

I can't believe I forgot about the Toads in Super Mario Bros. No wonder the
Princess is always getting captured. Mario & Luigi are betting their butts mauled by pirahana plants, spikeys, and every ofther enemy from the Koopa Clan to rescue Peach... and these worlthess fungus known as Toads.

Toad was actually useful in Super Mario Bros. 2. One of my fav characters to use. Peach/Toadstool was also useful because of her broken floating ability. Girl knew how to work that dress!! :rofl:

Zelda is questionable for being useful/useless. I haven't played Twilight Princess or Wind Waker but thus far, all Zelda has done is two things. 1.) Get Captured. 2.) Sleep. Link is doing all the hardwork and he hardly even gets his name in the title of his own games!! :annoy:

Let's hear it for Yamato from Shadow Dancer for being able to attack certain enemies so you can finish them off!!

Agreed on Sleep, Slience, and Death spells in some RPGs. The enemy can use that stuff like nobody's business but when you want to use it? "Miss!" :rolleyes:

Million

02-01-2007, 06:20 AM

The deathtrap 1-up. I remember a few cases usually in the 8 and 16bit days where a 1-up was in a spot where you need to die to get it. This didn't make any kind of sense....apparently developers realize it, because I haven't seen this since that era.

The HUmar almost made the Force characters useless in PSO vers. 1. So, we get a warrior type that has the magic of the Forces, so you get the best deal of magic+power. The forces only have magic. What were they thinking there?

At least amongst the 3 or 4 PSU fans here that even care...this is controversial: Humans in PSU. Here's another great example of Sonic Team's idea of game balance. "So, the Beasts get a cool transformation at level 20. Let's give the CASTs a big ass gun they can pull from the sky at level 20....huge damage and status effects! Newmans? Eh, they're awesome enough with the powerful magic..."

"Humans? Eh...ehhhh....let's give them BALANCED STATS and Crea Weapons!"

Yeah sure, that makes up the difference. So, you have a character type that is the "average joe", which really is a nice way of saying he's not exactly terrible in a stat...but he's still surpassed by everyone else. Crea Weapons? Nobody gives a shit about those, and the ultimate slap in the face---other races can use the "real" Crea Weapons. The "exclusive" Creas the humans(and newmans) can get are REPLICAS.

Well, they're not absolutely useless like the Contra Fireball gun, but I was just in a mood to rant about something nobody really cares about. Now for games here people do give a shit about:
Useless:
-Halo 2 Needler
-MvC2 Roll.
-the original TMNT Arcade. Raphael's sais. Yeah, I said it. Everyone else had the good weapons, and this nigga is forever stuck with some damn toothpicks, basically. That's probably the real reason he was so pissed off all the time in the movie.

-Pichu in Smash Bros. Melee.
-Bruce Banner in the older movie-based Hulk game. Nobody liked the sections where you're forced to play as him. You have to sneak around, and if you get caught it's definitely over, because Bruce can't fight for shit.

Simon's Quest--Dracula. This was the most pitiful final boss fight I've ever seen. On my first time fighting him, it was over in 5 seconds. Simon is either WAY too powerful in comparison, or Dracula is not programmed with enough stuff to do....maybe they just ran out of ideas by that point? Gold Knife + Flame whip = Dracula is slaughtered in literally 5 seconds. I was sitting there waiting for him to come back in another form like Jacquio from Ninja Gaiden, but no....that was it. It was terribly disappointing.

Alzarath

02-01-2007, 06:32 AM

Useful-

Peach (Mario RPG)
Billy (Xenogears)
Deadpool (Marvel Ultimate Alliance)
Sentinel (MvC2)
Nina (BoF, perhaps the only useful princess ever?!)
Raja (PS4, fucker made everything way, WAY too easy)
Cardboard Box (MGS)
Vanish + Death/X-Zone (FF6)

Useless-

Raph (TMNT 1, good god his range was horrible)
Other Princesses
Everyone besides Sonic/Shadow in SA1/2 (Sega, stop making gay Sonic games plz)
Umaro (FF6)
Charlotte on point (PoR, I used her for 1 fight, rest as an assist)
Damn near every final boss in the FF series (ESPECIALLY FF12...wow.)

ProfessorS

02-01-2007, 07:39 AM

A lot of Megaman games seem to have weapons that are really useless, but a lot of times, it's the only freaking weapon that works on the final boss.

Bubble Lead, Snake Search, freaking TOP SPIN, Skull Shield, Leaf Shield etc.

And that exploding life sacrifice move in Shinobi III is actually really useful because it restores your life to full on top of the damage it does. In other words, as long as you have lives and magic, you'll never have to start over on a boss because you died.

The other magics in Shinobi III kinda suck though. Except for the fire dragon thing, but that's just if you know you can finish off the boss without dying.

JackTenrac!

02-01-2007, 07:58 AM

- Mareg - Grandia II. What a rip off. You know why.

- Money saving systems in games where the monsters give big payoffs when they meet death. Also good if the games cheap.

...that went well.

scentless

02-01-2007, 08:03 AM

Usefull

Kights of Rounds - FF7

Degenerator - Quistis - FF8 - its helped alot when you were in the way to fight ultima weapon.. :looney: :looney: :looney:

PimpC

02-01-2007, 08:08 AM

useless - servbot MvC2.......it angers me every time i see his punk ass on the character select screen.

Jida

02-01-2007, 08:58 AM

Depending on the game, dizzy/confuse/sleep/death spells often suck ass in RPGs.

Cosign. It's like, you use your whole fucking turn on that and the CPU's just like "OH WELL I THINK THAT SHIT FAILED? WHAT NOW?" Melee all day, bitch.

And Sean's 3s tornado is bunk made flesh. "HORNAAAAY!!" I hope you are, because you're about to get raped.

Hokuto Shingo

02-01-2007, 09:24 AM

Useless: NFL Europe teams in Madden

Remy Saotome

02-01-2007, 10:04 AM

uselesss- TailsHATEFUL!

awesome - Tails...

But anyway, I gotta QFT Dasrik on Toad being useful. Bastard tears through the sand pits in the desert stages like nothing. In SMB2 of course. Everywhere else, yeah he's pretty well worthless and wussy.

Reggie, Zelda helps Link fight in OOT. Shiek is actually Zelda in disguise.

King9999

02-01-2007, 10:14 AM

Useful:
Shotgun (most FPS games, Resident Evil 4)
Double heal sealstone (Valkyrie Profile 2)
Side Kick (Star Ocean 3)
Ripper Blast (Star Ocean 2)
Toad (SMB2, Mario Kart games)
Shippu Jinrai Kyaku (SF3 Third Strike)
AHVBx3 (MvC 2)
Stat-boosting/reducing magic (SMT: Nocturne)
Trickster style (DMC3)
Executioner skill (Dragon Quest 8)
Jumping MK for many characters (SF EX)
Grand Upper (Streets of Rage 2)
Percival (Knights of the Round)
Upgraded Rocket Punch (Mega Man 7)
Bass (Mega Man & Bass)
Calculator (FFT)
Kelpie card (Culdcept)
"C" weapon (Contra 3)
Super throw that strikes multiple opponents (Super Dodge Ball)
Jump kick (TMNT2)
Michaelangelo's super (TMNT: TF)
Ganondorf (SSBM)

Useless:
Kimahri (FFX)
Rafa and Malak (FFT)
Charmles (DQ8)
Shippu Jinrai Kyaku (other SF games besides 3S)
All characters except Donatello (TMNT1)
Many of the items in Castlevania: SotN
S-Groove (CvS2)
P-Groove (CvS2)
Pullum (SF EX)
Acro Circus (River City Ransom)
Fairies (Tactics Ogre)
Noel (Star Ocean 2)
Pichu (SSBM)

J-ride

02-01-2007, 10:32 AM

Ralfa and Malik were completely useless in FFT's. IGNORE FAITH!

I haven't played this game in forever, but couldn't you use them to permanently raise and lower faith and brave? I'm pretty sure you could. High brave + low faith = GGPO summoners and time mages.

Wild Kitty

02-01-2007, 10:33 AM

xero15

02-01-2007, 10:38 AM

humans in disgaea 2, it seemed like if you werent a demon you couldnt move worth shit. then unless you were reincarnated so many times you wouldnt do crap damage.

Lantis

02-01-2007, 10:41 AM

Don't forget how Zelda kicks ass in SSBM (in Sheik form). Hell, she can even give Link a run for his money. :bgrin:

Useful:

Crissaegrim in SOTN: Hang around the reverse Library for a bit, get this weapon from one of the Schmoos (flying heads) and then proceed to break the game (there are other overpowered weapons in SOTN, but Crissaegrim takes the cake. Even my sister was able to finish SOTN w/Crissaegrim assist).

Useless:

Knives: In how many games do knives suck? Let's see...in Castlevania, the knife was probably one of the worst choices for a subweapon. In RE, I still don't see HOW people can beat the game using only the knife (how can they possibly beat the bosses with that thing?). I also remember them not being too useful in beat-em-up games (like Final Fight), either.

02-01-2007, 10:46 AM

SFA3

Useful - Vism

Useless - Aism and Xism

FF8

Useful - Squall, Zell, Aura, Holy War's

Useless - everything else and the game's case.

Mr. Bastos

02-01-2007, 10:58 AM

In Breath of Fire 1 Karn's "debo" form, it can only be used underwater and by the time you can even get it all the underwater parts are done I guess you could go back jst o use it but there is no reason to.

Lantis

02-01-2007, 11:00 AM

SFA3

Useful - Vism

Useless - Aism and Xism

A-ISM still gets some kicks sometimes.

But yeah, X-ISM is hella shitty. Unless you're X-Chun. Then you can dominate everyone with retarded damage. :wow:

Hahano

02-01-2007, 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=*InVeRs3*;3605845]Kimari was just total ass. Everyone had a specialty, but Kimari in FFX wasn't the jack of all trades master of none that square wanted him to be. He just ended up sucking at everything.
[\QUOTE]

What?! Kimahri was the most badass mother fugga in the game. My Kimahri leveled 3 times faster and better than anyone else, you just put him through everyone else's sphere grids and he's rapefest.com.

As to my input: Useless things in games
Super Smash Brothers: Donkey Kong and Jigglypuff's Up+B smash (Sing)
Pokemon: Any moves like "Tail Whip" or "Growl" that only the AI used while you were smashing their face in with damage dealing moves.

Useful:
Dudley's Rose Taunt: Hello 50/50 game, without the rose things would be much more difficult to rape in the corner.

EveryFlowerFlow

02-01-2007, 11:37 AM

Klobb

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 11:37 AM

FF8

Useful - Squall, Zell, Aura, Holy War's

Useless - everything else and the game's case.
Disagree!

Selphie's The End with "Pop the lid open" assist beats everything in the game.

And Rinoa all Berserk'd out with the right magics junctioned does Ludicrous Damage.

N - Secret FF8 Junkie.

02-01-2007, 11:46 AM

Disagree!

Selphie's The End with "Pop the lid open" assist beats everything in the game.

And Rinoa all Berserk'd out with the right magics junctioned does Ludicrous Damage.

N - Secret FF8 Junkie.

Have at you, Black Luthor!!!

You cannot deny the awesomeness(i.e. Brokeness) of Squall and Zell. The most damaging limit breaks in their respective order of mentioning. Cast Aura on Squall and spam Lionheart = Omega Weapon dead in 5 minutes.

Rinoa was just there so you could show your friends that you're not man-happy when you play RPGs. It's like "Hey! I'm not gay! There's a girl in my party!"

I will have to try this "Open lid" glitch. I thought it was only possible in FF7 with Regen.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 11:58 AM

Hahaha. That's gonna be my new screen name for sure.

Ya, the lid opening thing is really ridiculous. You just start her limit break and open the lid while the slots are still spinning. If you don't get The End, just cancel and keep trying until you do, haha. To my recollection you can kill all but about 2 bosses with that (being Omega Weapon and Griever).

For Rinoa: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_viii_angel_wing.txt

Basically, the Angel Wing limit break multiplies Rinoa's magic stat by 5, even if it's already at 255. It's a pseudo-berserk, but she only casts magic already in her inventory, and there's a bunch of stuff she will NOT cast. Also, it never actually uses up the magic, so if you only have one Ultima or whatever you can leave it on her and she'll keep casting it without diminishing your supply. Angel Wing'd Meteor is effin' ridiculous.

N

02-01-2007, 12:14 PM

For Rinoa: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_viii_angel_wing.txt

Basically, the Angel Wing limit break multiplies Rinoa's magic stat by 5, even if it's already at 255. It's a pseudo-berserk, but she only casts magic already in her inventory, and there's a bunch of stuff she will NOT cast. Also, it never actually uses up the magic, so if you only have one Ultima or whatever you can leave it on her and she'll keep casting it without diminishing your supply. Angel Wing'd Meteor is effin' ridiculous.

N

Hmm.....interesting. Because I remember using it once and it sucked for me. It did fairly good damage. And I had all stats maxed out. That's nuts. This almost gives me reason to pick the game up again.

Hmm....is it possible that FFVIII is one of the more replayable FF games ever? Can I be seeing the light? Or am I just out of Haterade in my FFVIII bottle? Now I hope my friends PSX is still in working condition. Does it work with a Slimline PS2? The 'Open Lid' glitch, that is?

Oh, and to stay on some sort of topic:

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers(SNES)

Useful:

Billy(Blue Ranger) - Up and Y all day. NO ONE was gonna touch you.

Useless:

The rest of the cast. Including the Megazord. Shit was hella slow. Although I could whip out some mean 5 hit combos with that bastard.

Dasrik

02-01-2007, 12:17 PM

A lot of Megaman games seem to have weapons that are really useless, but a lot of times, it's the only freaking weapon that works on the final boss.

Bubble Lead, Snake Search, freaking TOP SPIN, Skull Shield, Leaf Shield etc
You're crazy. Weapons that slide along the floor are always useful, plus Bubble Lead kills those spring guys dead. As for Leaf Shield, they're great on the little birdies. Top Spin and Skull Shield are trash, though.

useless - Tails
awesome - Super Tails...
Fixed it for you.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 12:22 PM

Haha, nah, I loooove FF8. Behind FF6 I've played it the most out of all of them.

It's one of the only FF games with a bunch of unique ways to play through. FF6 has the natural magic playthrough, the low level game, all that. FF8 is just sick awesomeness all over the place, like trying to get Lionheart on the first disc.

Also, Triple Triad is the shiiiiiit.

N

Jida

02-01-2007, 12:33 PM

Fixed it for you.

Hyper Tails was rape, though. Flickie action FTMFW.

EM Disruptor

02-01-2007, 12:35 PM

Klobb

:rofl: yea i dont think its possible to kill anyone with that shit

SuicidalGrandpa

02-01-2007, 12:38 PM

Useless -
A shadow priest
Servbot

Useful -
Ash's bicycle in Pokemon. Don't argue, that was a character.

02-01-2007, 12:39 PM

Also, Triple Triad is the shiiiiiit.

N

It's still the greatest mini-game ever. Man, now I wanna play again. Fuck. Triple Triad was the addiction back in the day. FFVIII should have had some sort of 2 player thing for this. I think Square should re-release it for the Playstation Network. I'd download that in a heartbeat.

Gran Turismo 4:

Useful - Nissan JGTC cars(I forget how many there were)

Useless - American cars.

Million

02-01-2007, 12:47 PM

Ah, a gameplay element...something simple most take for granted---the double jump. Has there ever been a game where the double-jump was useless? I can't think of one. It's so simple, yet makes just about anything easier, especially in platforming types of games. It's even better if the 2nd jump can happen at any point in the air.(some games have it where you can only do the second jump on the way up) Now, imagine how interesting this could be in real life, assuming we could actually jump as high as the typical game character in the first place. That's at least a 2nd tier superhero power right there, if you apply it to real world context.

PSU again---Cresline armour. Ok...it's 45,000 meseta....yet it has no slots, and no elemental protection. So...what the hell? I've heard it gets some bonus when used with a certain weapon, but that doesn't sound like a worthy tradeoff to me. It still sucks, imo. It is surpassed in every possible way by other similar priced armours.

Resident Evil franchise---so, how many hits with the knife does it take to kill *anything*? This might be the most pitiful weapon ever.

PSO - Dark Flow. It looks cool, and that's about it. A giant sword that has NO combo ability. Swords were always rather lame in the first place, especially in the PSOs....and this piece of garbage can't even combo...and if I recall, you need to be close to death to even use the special. I'd rather use some sorry ass mechguns.

02-01-2007, 12:56 PM

Resident Evil franchise---so, how many hits with the knife does it take to kill *anything*? This might be the most pitiful weapon ever.

It's a lot more useful in RE4 because you can spam it infinitely without any sorta slowdown. Try it against Krauzer(sp?) in the second fight with the countdown timer. You bait him into the corner with the Red9 and as he is in crouching position just spam it and he stays grounded the entire time. And the same would apply against single enemies and shit. Obviously, you don't use it in a horde. But, yeah, it's useful in RE4.

*InVeRs3*

02-01-2007, 01:19 PM

Useless -
A shadow priest
Servbot

Useful -
Ash's bicycle in Pokemon. Don't argue, that was a character.

Shadow priests can still heal in instances and add to lock dps in raids. They are also pvp beasts.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 01:24 PM

In RE1 (and 2, but not quite as easily) you just stood with a random piece of furniture between you and the enemies and slashed through it. It's actually really easy, just tedious. After they put dodging/pushing in it became way too easy, you used to have to know weird things about hitboxes and where you could get attacked, like in shooters.

In PSO I used to use a fully grinded Dragon Slayer or Chain Sawd on my Hunewearl, that thing slaughtered enemies with the quickness. I used two God/Battles and just did two-hit Hard-Hard attacks to keep from getting swarmed, but it was amazing for carving up crowds and De Rol.

I really wanted to like PSU, but it seems like everything in that game is designed to make me miss PSO. I really *LIKED* the way PSO was, where there wasn't really a story except that you were being sent on missions. I miss being able to just go down and solo the planet for xp and items. Everything in PSU seems way too tedious from a single-player perspective, I have to play through the (basically godawful) storyline mode to access Extra, and then I have to KEEP playing just to unlock more content for the mode I really want?

Maaaaaan... FUNK DAT!

N

ViciousSLASH

02-01-2007, 01:43 PM

I haven't played this game in forever, but couldn't you use them to permanently raise and lower faith and brave? I'm pretty sure you could. High brave + low faith = GGPO summoners and time mages.

That was Beowulf and Oracles.

Rafa and Malak were totally useless. They also made that fight on the roof hard as fuck.

Knives aren't useless in the new castlevania, of course that is a 1,000 of them.

That move breaks the game. THOUSAND BLADES!!!

Return of Shiki

02-01-2007, 01:45 PM

Demi spells never work on anyone that matters.

Except the Lucavi in FFT, but FFT is so broken they're easy enough to beat any way.

Son Them All

02-01-2007, 01:47 PM

Useful:

Q's Taunt
Mishima EWGF
Micro missles in Armored Core: Last Raven
Time control in PoP series
Zell and Irvine's limit breaks in FF8

Useless:
Servbot in MvC2
John Madden's commentary
most FPS's pistol

Alzarath

02-01-2007, 01:48 PM

That was Beowulf and Oracles.

Rafa and Malak were totally useless. They also made that fight on the roof hard as fuck.

Knives aren't useless in the new castlevania, of course that is a 1,000 of them.

That move breaks the game. THOUSAND BLADES!!!

I used Rafa for treasure hunting, she had the lowest starting brave of anyone in the game.

Shiki: This guy (http://www.fightersgeneration.com/fightgen/characters/amano.gif) should be a member of team pink, if he isn't/wasn't already.

Return of Shiki

02-01-2007, 01:52 PM

I was actually considering including Amano in Team P.A.G. for Battle Poll, but then I figured no one would know who he was, despite being in an awesome game and having Solid Snake's (Japanese) voice.

Weta

02-01-2007, 02:23 PM

Klobb

I hate that freaking gun so much. I could never hit anything, even at point blank range.

Slap > Klobb.

crimzonflame

02-01-2007, 02:34 PM

useless
Cait Sith
Yuffie's, Red XII's, and Vincent's final limit break. Everyone is doing multiple hits worth 9999 each, and these guys only get one hit. WTF?

useful
4X Attack materia (FF7)

fishjie

02-01-2007, 03:51 PM

You're crazy. Weapons that slide along the floor are always useful, plus Bubble Lead kills those spring guys dead. As for Leaf Shield, they're great on the little birdies. Top Spin and Skull Shield are trash, though.

hell yeah leaf shield was the shit in areas where the birds dropped their shit on you.

and bubbles could kill shit safely from a distance without you ever being exposed to danger from the bad guys.

what i found useless though is shotgun ice. pretty much every MMX weapon i found useful, but i could never really integrate shotgun ice into my game.

Dataika

02-01-2007, 04:13 PM

All I know is that the Knife in Resident Evil: Code Veronica was fucking broken. Slash them in the knees and they fall down and it hits them like 8 times rapidly until you swipe again. I remember when I completed the mini-game with Wesker, I felt like GI Joe incarnate. That game was just RIDICULOUSLY Fun. Makes me want to buy the game again. As a matter of fact, I think I will.

*Goes to ebay.com

jae hoon

02-01-2007, 04:29 PM

Noel in Star Ocean the Second Story, talk about a waste of fucking drive space. He was supposed to be a hybrid character but ended up being a hybrid of suck not seen since Aaron Brooks was the QB for NO.

Kimahri or whatever the fuck his name was from FFX, he was supposed to be a blue mage but failed. Didnt take shit for damage, couldnt attack worth a shit and his magic sucked.

Lei in Tekken 4, no explination needed.

The Druid in D2 again no explination needed.

Sniper Rifle in Rainbow Six Vegas, you have to get a direct head shot to even have a chance to kill them and you usually dont have enough time to aim.

Smoke Grenade in Gears, no one uses that shit. It is funny to tag someone with it and watch them smoke for the rest of the game though.

Useless -
A shadow priest
Servbot

Useful -
Ash's bicycle in Pokemon. Don't argue, that was a character.

Shadow Priest are fucking stupid good, they just have to fear you and drain your life bar with one of their many spells they can use.

Ryo's level 3 only special in CvS2, I remember jabbing him out of it with Joe.

Every 10 hit combo in Tekken and 99 percent of the unblocakbles. If I hear OMG I AM GOOD BECAUSE I CAN 10 HIT, I know that guy sucks instantly.

Roll in MvC2, really why.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 04:40 PM

The Druid in D2 again no explination needed.
Objection!

Werewolf Druids equip everything (including bows and crossbows) as melee weapons when transformed. If you build a Wolf Druid with IAS equipment and a Buriza they can get something like 10 attacks per second, and feral rage makes sure all of those attacks hit. With Leech Life that means as long as there's an enemy onscreen you'll never die.

Bear Druids' shockwave (the ground pound) works on ALL enemies and can stun for up to like 15 seconds. Safest possible character type for Hardcore in my opinion, even though it takes all day to kill stuff.

N - King of Low Tier, even outside of SF

jae hoon

02-01-2007, 04:51 PM

Objection!

Werewolf Druids equip everything (including bows and crossbows) as melee weapons when transformed. If you build a Wolf Druid with IAS equipment and a Buriza they can get something like 10 attacks per second, and feral rage makes sure all of those attacks hit. With Leech Life that means as long as there's an enemy onscreen you'll never die.

Bear Druids' shockwave (the ground pound) works on ALL enemies and can stun for up to like 15 seconds. Safest possible character type for Hardcore in my opinion, even though it takes all day to kill stuff.

N - King of Low Tier, even outside of SF

Druids still sucked and everyone knew they were by far the worst class in D2. They absolutely could not even touch a Paladin or a Sorc to save their damn life. Even in PVE no one wanted a damn Druid on their team as they really couldnt do shit and other classes served the purposes better. They were supposed to be a jack of all trades but were to limited.

Night

02-01-2007, 04:56 PM

Demi spells never work on anyone that matters.

Demi, death, and all "powerful" spells pretty much only work against a monster that can be killed in one physical attack heh. The only exception was the vanish trick in FF6, but that was an exploit hehe.

De4dEyE

02-01-2007, 04:57 PM

I'm not sure if you're talking about <1.10, but Wind druids now are like, top tier in terms of class builds.

The D2 post thing. I'm lazy to quote.

Jizzz_frame

02-01-2007, 05:08 PM

useful- ffx overdrive -> ap cactuar trick
bomb kick/punch/throw bomberman

useless- ssbm marill

jae hoon

02-01-2007, 05:16 PM

I'm not sure if you're talking about <1.10, but Wind druids now are like, top tier in terms of class builds.

The D2 post thing. I'm lazy to quote.

No one plays D2 anymore, by the time Druids got good everyone left.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 05:20 PM

I'm not sure if you're talking about <1.10, but Wind druids now are like, top tier in terms of class builds.

The D2 post thing. I'm lazy to quote.

Ya, this is when they first debuted in LoD.

JaeHeezy: Of course they were the worst, but compared to what? Everyone was still broken back then! Whirlwind Barbs and Orb Sorcs!

They weren't actually that bad, everything else was way too good. Except Elemental Druids, they were fucked from the beginning until they got way overpowered in 1.10

N

Yumi Saotome

02-01-2007, 05:21 PM

Noel in Star Ocean the Second Story, talk about a waste of fucking drive space. He was supposed to be a hybrid character but ended up being a hybrid of suck not seen since Aaron Brooks was the QB for NO.

Noel is actually top tier. Give him and three other warriors bloody armor, set him on auto cast fairy light and nothing in the game can beat you. All things equal, he's better than Rena, unless you get Rena above level 220 or so.

Acid rain + Earth Grave = 9999 damage

Grave also induces instant hit stun on almost anything.

OTOH, Ernest is terrible. He has absolutely nothing going for him.

jae hoon

02-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Ya, this is when they first debuted in LoD.

JaeHeezy: Of course they were the worst, but compared to what? Everyone was still broken back then! Whirlwind Barbs and Orb Sorcs!

They weren't actually that bad, everything else was way too good. Except Elemental Druids, they were fucked from the beginning until they got way overpowered in 1.10

N

Lol yeah, I loved it when they nuked firewall for Sorcs because it was to powerfull but they made fireball like 100 times better. Even a nuked Orb Sorc was still better the most of the shit in there. Level 82 in 8 hours lol, I always wanted to make a lighting blast sorc but never did.

Thongboy Bebop

02-01-2007, 05:30 PM

Haha, yeah. I was just talking to a co-worker about this like yesterday actually.

Sorcs in Diablo are the only class I've ever seen in any game ever where you can play as well or MUCH BETTER than any other class without EVER bothering to pick up any armor or equipment.

What the fuck is that?! Naked Sorcs are better than 98% of the cast?! WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD?!

N

UncleBuck

02-01-2007, 05:41 PM

Useless: all characters (and create a character) for karaoke revolution.

Why waste space and load times for some shitty looking crap when you could put more songs on there?

ManInTheBox

02-01-2007, 06:20 PM

If you don't get The End, just cancel and keep trying until you do, haha. To my recollection you can kill all but about 2 bosses with that (being Omega Weapon and Griever).

You can kill Omega Weapon with The End. I have done this plenty of times. It's ridiculous. The End doesn't work on undead enemies.

Useful:

Crissaegrim in SOTN: Hang around the reverse Library for a bit, get this weapon from one of the Schmoos (flying heads) and then proceed to break the game (there are other overpowered weapons in SOTN, but Crissaegrim takes the cake. Even my sister was able to finish SOTN w/Crissaegrim assist).

One was broken enough. Try 2 with 2 Rings of Varda. You could be grabbing Great Swords and God's Garbs in no time flat. Too bad it can't be said for Rune Swords or whatever rare item the Dodo Bird drops. Oh yeah, Dracula dies in 3 seconds.

Stabby

02-01-2007, 06:20 PM

Acid rain + Earth Grave = 9999 damage

I thought the broken spell is Gremlin Lair + Acid Rain?

Septimus Prime

02-01-2007, 06:30 PM

Wrecking Ball (PoR): It's absolutely useless.

Also, yes, Dodo Bird in SotN drops Rune Blade (and Heart Refresh, in case you're curious).

JackTenrac!

02-01-2007, 06:51 PM

- PSO & PSU Ally AI made my list. PSU's is worst, which was a big surprise to me. A few notches down, I'd assume. Say that I'm in the forest, fighting. He'd come by and slash the enemy first, which is good tactic. Rush in. Dumb, but still , there is an effort. PSU AI, however, doesn't even strike as hard as he/she needs to. Or strikes first, or does anything strategic. I thought he was pivoting, but, no. He wasn't. He was standing there. Long range fighters do the same. More of a handicap. They don't do pickups, and they're not like regular players.

Usefulness: Grandia II's character AI equals the awesome. Each Own actuallly works. Completely. Effective support AI. I was in awe at the work I had to do.

Chun-Li's wall jump in the Alpha series is useful when you're doing an air recovery on an opponent. The reaction time on him or the super air grab he'll do may not be as effective as he would like on landing attacks.

...that went well.

p_r0phet

02-01-2007, 07:10 PM

Most useless I can think of is that Butler in the Tomb Raider series, I mean seriously could he have a better role, then to stalk me even if i'm shooting at him. Atleast run away nigga.

JackTenrac!

02-01-2007, 07:27 PM

NPCs and guns were always strange. Shoot Sherry from RE 2.

...that went well.

Yumi Saotome

02-01-2007, 07:36 PM

I thought the broken spell is Gremlin Lair + Acid Rain?

Doesn't work because both are Leon's spells.

Gremlin's Lair + Thunderstorm is the absolute best as it does retarded damage. But Acid Rain + Earth Grave is like 10MP each for Leon and Noel, which is cheap 9999 damage.

UncleBuck

02-01-2007, 07:37 PM

The fucking "Stranger" guy in RE4. You wouldnt believe the amount of times I popped his ass in his damn RED eye thinking it was a mine. I'm sorry but when I get a rifle, I become a long range death machine. The bastard was always in a shadowy area so I couldnt tell it was him until I walked up and saw him dead. They could have gave him a green eye damn it.

Dasrik

02-01-2007, 07:51 PM

useless
Cait Sith
Why does everyone hate Cait Sith so much? Last time I played FF7, Cait was the third strongest physical attacker by the end of the game. :/

Now Red XIII can fucking go to hell. Most boring character in an RPG I've ever played.

Chun-Li's triple jump in the Alpha series is useful when you're doing an air recovery on an opponent. The reaction time on him or the super air grab he'll do may not be as effective as he would like on landing attacks.
Chunners can triple jump in Alpha?! :confused:

ReggieHadoken

02-01-2007, 07:55 PM

I was thinking earlier today about Zelda/Shiek in SSB Melee. In that game she's totally useful.

I concur about the knives in Castlevania: SOTN. You'd be better off chucking tooth picks at your enemies.

Oh yes, the Klobb. My word, I don't think a more worthless firearm has ever existed in a FPS. You're better of chopping fools with your hands.

The Magnet Beam item is VERY useful in the original Mega Man because without it, you're screwed.

X-Buster from the Mega Man X games. Not only does it have sweet blast functions when you upgrade it (hooray for pink in X1 and double blasts in X2!) but you can charge up all of the special weapons with it!!

The Sight spell and special bread item and Final Fantasy III for DS are useless. Both let you view the world map. The top screen on the DS lets you view the world map with at all times. :rolleyes: Come on, developers, really, why?

Return of Shiki

02-01-2007, 08:09 PM

The Sight spell and special bread item and Final Fantasy III for DS are useless. Both let you view the world map. The top screen on the DS lets you view the world map with at all times. :rolleyes: Come on, developers, really, why?

You think that's bad?

How about the "AMUT" spell in Final Fantasy 1, which cures your characters of "mute" status...(problem is, there are NO enemies in the game that can give you "mute" status)

Why does everyone hate Cait Sith so much? Last time I played FF7, Cait was the third strongest physical attacker by the end of the game. :/

Chunners can triple jump in Alpha?! :confused:

I think he meant she can triangle hop (Santaku Tobi), more commonly known as the "Wall Jump" in American SF player circles.

Cait Sith actually starts out with his much higher base stats and is actually fairly useful EARLY when you get him but at the end of the game he is the worst.
He has overall the second worst stat gains ahead of Vincent (Cait Sith and Vincent actually have identical stat gain curves except in 3 areas: Vincent has a TINY edge in MP while Cait Sith has better HP and slightly better Strength growth than Vincent).
Vincent is still better than Cait Sith because he is one of the only 2 characters (with Tifa) who has a 255% accurate weapon. Thus, Vincent can be useful in random battle by combining his 255% weapon with Deathblow or Morph materia, otherwise he would be the worst, but even without the weapon his Ultimate Weapon is better than Cait Sith's.
But Cait Sith has no good weapons, and his Limit Breaks are the worst in the game.

Striderhyru05

02-01-2007, 08:12 PM

Useless
BEAST in X-Men 2: Clone Wars
Johnny Cage in MK1

ReggieHadoken

02-01-2007, 08:33 PM

You think that's bad?

How about the "AMUT" spell in Final Fantasy 1, which cures your characters of "mute" status...(problem is, there are NO enemies in the game that can give you "mute" status)

What a worthless spell. And to think I paid for that crap! :annoy:

I can't believe I forgot the ultra usefull items in Super Mario Bros. 3: Kuribo's Shoe and the Hammer Bros. Suit. My word, I don't know if any other more beastly items have ever been in a Mario platformer. Kuribo's shoe let you kill Spikeys AND walk on spikes!! Nintendo must have realized how broken that item was. You only got to use it in that one level. :sad: Though I think with some hacking codes or with Game Genie you could use it in other stages. Hammer Bros. suit just owned so hard. Could kill Thwamps, Boo Diddly and the shell was fire proof. And only a handfull of them were in the whole blasted game. SMB3 has the best power-ups of all the Mario games.

9999

02-01-2007, 08:47 PM

^^Good call with the Hammer Bros. Suit. I remember first time getting it, being able to kill fuckin THWOMPS! That needs to make a return in a mario game soon.

mastermind

02-01-2007, 08:59 PM

Useless:

Suikoden I.

Window. :wtf:

4neqs

02-01-2007, 09:00 PM

S-Groove (CvS2)
P-Groove (CvS2)

I don't think P sucks at all. Not with the good damage and SCing. Hello, P-Kyo.

I dunno about S, aside from that Doc B fellow beasting with it apparently. I guess it is, in general.

felineki

02-01-2007, 09:11 PM

Useless but adorable: Felicia's taunt throw.

Return of Shiki

02-01-2007, 09:40 PM

What a worthless spell. And to think I paid for that crap! :annoy:

Oh yeah, and I forgot...you had to PAY for spell in FF1 too! :rofl:
Even MORE uselessness!

I don't think P sucks at all. Not with the good damage and SCing. Hello, P-Kyo.

I don't know what you mean by this. P-Groove actually does LESS damage because like A-Groove it gives no damage bonuses for ANY moves.
C gives minute damage bonuses as each level fills up.
S gives damage bonuses MAXed out and Level 1 super do more damage when you have red life.
N gives bonuses when you break a stock, and of course we all know about K...

And P-Groove Super Cancels are only in CvS2EO, not the arcade, PS2, or DC CvS2s...

Useless but adorable: Felicia's taunt throw.

Using her taunt throw in CFJ makes Urien give a look that just DEFINES: :wtf:

Lantis

02-01-2007, 10:26 PM

After playing some more SFAA....

Useless:

- Birdie: With the probable exception of Dan (who was intentionally made to be a joke character), what's the deal with Birdie? Has he ever left the low tier in ANY Alpha game? I think he is semi-decent at best in A1, sucks balls in A2, and Capcom even manages to make him suck even WORSE in A3. I truly feel for anyone who is a Birdie player. Poor guy seems to be doomed for suckitude. :sad:

- Vega's wall super: WTF is up with this super? You can see it coming a mile away! In ST, you at least had the benefit of the doubt because it started off as a normal off-the-wall jump, but in every game after that, anybody can prepare a counter for it when Vega is seen getting ready on the wall. :annoy:

- Guile in A3: I never dreamed of the day where Guile would be shit in a SF game. And I was so excited for him being in SFA 3...only to be introduced to mega crappy Guile with super slow Booms.

- Turning on the "anti-BW gas" in the lab of RE 2: Uhhh, I think the game made you think that it would make the plants weaker, but I didn't see the difference. Except everything turned green and ugly. :bluu:

Useful:

- Bison Psycho Crusher in CE: Don't deny your origins! You know that the first time you played Bison in CE, you weren't doing Scissor Kick corner traps. Hell no, you were spazzing the SHIT out of the Psycho Crusher. Tick damage for the scrubby win! :clap:

- Dee Jay's Max Out in A3: It's kinda funny how they made Guile's Sonic Boom a slow ass projectile, but the old Sonic Boom lives on in Dee Jay's projectile. SWOOSH!

02-02-2007, 02:22 AM

Dee Jay's fireball was stupid good in the PSX/Saturn versions of A3. It was literally like, if you whiffed a crouching strong, and it shot out a fireball. Almost no recovery time at all. In the arcade version of SFZ3 Upper they went the other direction to neuter him, and it became literally the fireball with the most recovery time in the game, perhaps tied with Bison's fireball. In SFAA for the PS2 though, it's reasonable again, but not stupid.

Bad:
LandStalker- all swords after you get the Goddess sword. Shit causes earthquakes and meteors that fall from the sky and damage all opponents on screen. GGPO. It was cool to shock/freeze/burn things with the other swords, really was. But really.

Shining Force 3.1- Phoenix summon. You would think this would be tight, but...not so much. Not useless, but the only character who can really use it is Synbios, and he's better off using the lightning spells you'll likely have by the time you get the sword which allows you to do the summon.

Shining Force II- Kiwi. I loved Kiwi, I wasted time leveling him up, but God damn. For those of you who don't know, Kiwi is a character who's attacks to 1 point of damage. He will randomly freak out 1/8 times and do actual, real damage when you put in enough work with him, but he generally sucks. Can't use magic, low defense (will often die after 1 hit), no range.

Useful things:
Castlevania: Bloodlines on the Genesis- French dude's rising kick move. Was invincible all the way up like a DP in old school SF. Broken. I suck, and on top of that I was playing on a keyboard, and I sonned almost every boss in that game.

Shining Force 3.1- Hayward. Wow. Critical attacks out the ass, high damage, and more range than any non-magic user. And he's one of the most agile, so he has the most choices of where you wanna position him to beast on enemies who have no chance to hit you back. Vicious.

Shinobi 3- the running slash move. Invincibility frames for the slashing part. Crazy good.

Guardian Heroes- Kanon. You know how you can shift planes? Kanon can actually do his flight move (which means 2/3 of the cast can't touch him anyway), and then fly in between the planes, which means it's literally impossible for basically any character in the game to attack him if they can't use magic. Kanon can still attack though, since all of his attacks are projectiles anyway. He can also charge his magic so he can never run out. Silly.

4neqs

02-02-2007, 05:18 AM

P-groove

-snip-

I should have been clearer then. Owing to some characters being reasonably good in P (e.g. Cammy, Kyo) I don't think P should be lumped alongside S in the "useless" category. Parry isn't as "loose" as it is in 3s. By "damage" I meant the one-tiered(?) bar giving a level 3, like K-groove.

But yeah, K is definitely better IMO.

Also didn't know about the EO-exclusivity of the SC feature. Thanks for the clarification. ^^;

----
@ Lantis

Add R.Mika's Sardines super (the non-buttsplash sort-of-rush one) to the useless category.

02-02-2007, 05:33 AM

Actually there's some unblockable BS and some link stuff you can do with that one IIRC. There should be an R.Mika thread on the first page of the Alpha Anthology forum that mentions it.

What's pretty worthless is Ryu's Shin Shoryuken in A3, though.

Lantis

02-02-2007, 11:05 AM

What's pretty worthless is Ryu's Shin Shoryuken in A3, though.

Word that. In order to get the real powerful version of the Shin Shoryuken, there is like a milisecond frame that must hit at a pinpoint distance and MAYBE you'll get it done. Rather rare to do in a heated battle. Not worth it.

More useless supers I can think of: Blanka's "Bowling for Watermelons" super. Sure, I guess you can have fun kicking around the watermelons and shit, but then again, what's the worth? :confused:

Guy's Bushin Mesou Renge (his grab super): This shit has ZERO range. Heck if you hit the opponent with a jab (or block) and then 2-in-1 into this super, it will whiff! :mad:

I guess that's why V-ISM rocks so much.... so many useless supers in A/X-ISM. :bluu:

P.S.: Why does Chun Li suck so much in V-ISM? You would think she would totally break the game what with her CC-antics in SFA 2, but she doesn't get any benefits AT ALL from V-ISM. :looney:

Panther NeoGeo

02-02-2007, 11:28 AM

What a worthless spell. And to think I paid for that crap! :annoy:

I can't believe I forgot the ultra usefull items in Super Mario Bros. 3: Kuribo's Shoe and the Hammer Bros. Suit. My word, I don't know if any other more beastly items have ever been in a Mario platformer. Kuribo's shoe let you kill Spikeys AND walk on spikes!! Nintendo must have realized how broken that item was. You only got to use it in that one level. :sad: Though I think with some hacking codes or with Game Genie you could use it in other stages. Hammer Bros. suit just owned so hard. Could kill Thwamps, Boo Diddly and the shell was fire proof. And only a handfull of them were in the whole blasted game. SMB3 has the best power-ups of all the Mario games.

I remember that SM Bros. item at first being one of the hardest to get. A lot of the secret "Street Fighter 2" moves in the early SNES Megaman X series were supposed to one-hit kill a lot of bosses. One of the most useless things I've seen was in the KOF series (2000). Lilly Kane Striker? Just what the hell was she supposed to do? At least she did something in Maximum Impact 2 (KOF 2006).

Night

02-02-2007, 11:57 AM

After playing some more SFAA....
- Bison Psycho Crusher in CE: Don't deny your origins! You know that the first time you played Bison in CE, you weren't doing Scissor Kick corner traps. Hell no, you were spazzing the SHIT out of the Psycho Crusher. Tick damage for the scrubby win! :clap:

Psycho wha...? OH! You mean FLAMING TORPERDO FTMFW!!!

In the days of MK2, I don't think there was anything that could stop the ninja b+HK roundhouse in the air. That was pretty much a 100% guaranteed anti-air.

FireisWet

02-02-2007, 12:04 PM

Useless:

Suikoden I.

Window. :wtf:

but...how else would you change the color of your status boxes?:rofl:

also, useful in Suikoden I - Milich. Everytime you talk to him in your HQ, the flowery pimp music of epic victory plays.:rofl:

ninja: if someone could hook up that BGM, that would be terrific :)

EveryFlowerFlow

02-02-2007, 12:14 PM

P.S.: Why does Chun Li suck so much in V-ISM? You would think she would totally break the game what with her CC-antics in SFA 2, but she doesn't get any benefits AT ALL from V-ISM. :looney:

actually some consider V-Chun just outside top tier :looney:

Return of Shiki

02-02-2007, 12:16 PM

More useless supers I can think of: Blanka's "Bowling for Watermelons" super. Sure, I guess you can have fun kicking around the watermelons and shit, but then again, what's the worth? :confused:

It's pretty much exactly like Cammy's Killer Bee Assault (besides the fruit)...it works as an anti-air since Blanka is invincible through the entire move and it can't be airblocked.

The problem is, if you want to use it practically...you have to do it early because the move is SLOW to hit (even if you DON'T shake for extra fruit)

One of the most useless things I've seen was in the KOF series (2000). Lilly Kane Striker? Just what the hell was she supposed to do? At least she did something in Maximum Impact 2 (KOF 2006).

I think she either built meter for you while waving or healed you a tiny bit.
Oh well, she still wasn't useful anyway but she's really just there to be cute :smile:

DropKick Murphy

02-02-2007, 12:20 PM

Panelo is pretty useless in FFXII

EveryFlowerFlow

02-02-2007, 12:21 PM

Remy's Blue Nocturne

Panther NeoGeo

02-02-2007, 12:35 PM

I think she either built meter for you while waving or healed you a tiny bit.
Oh well, she still wasn't useful anyway but she's really just there to be cute :smile:

:lol: :lol: Yeah, I guess, but she stays out there for a full hour. Funny thing about KOF 2000 was I was in a match with Kasumi Todo Striker. Dude thought she sucked 'till she threw him out of the jump-in he was going for :tup: . On the SF Alpha: Guile's Sonic Hurricane-useless, especially for a Level 3. CVS 2 (closer to home for me) Athena Psycho Sword. Then again, a lot of the SNK command throws are pretty much useless by themselves (folks can spam/spaz their way outta them).

fishjie

02-02-2007, 01:16 PM

Taken from a shuma gorath GAMEFAQS FAQ:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/marvel_vs_capcom_2_shuma_gorath_a.txt (http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/marvel_vs_capcom_2_shuma_gorath_a.txt)

"Sentinel-
Is this a joke? He can barely move. Just don't get hit by any of his overly
telegraphed moves and you'll be fine."

I agree 100%. what a useless character. ROCKET PUNCH? OOPS TOO BAD I BLOCKED THAT SHIT SON!

RedPhase

02-02-2007, 03:46 PM

-Useless-
-flashbang in Gunz
-middleweights in mario kart
-pichu in SSBM(damages yourself when you attack+weak+shot ranged/low priority attacks)
-Dan A3 -(if your going to make a character make a decent playable character don't waste your time on a halfassed broken bad character when you can make a interesting character that is decent.Be practical.)
-Roll in MvC
-SMB2 mario(does nothing that luigi,princess, and do better toad.
-Vanish cap SM64
-Diddy kong racing (krunch)
-Breath of Fire - Magu (why? Karn+Dragon main =auto-won game)
-Xenogears -(the machine girl=useless)
-any human except for krillian DBZ budokai
-Boston Celtics(too young,too shitty)
-Unreal Tournament 2004 - shield gun
-SSBM nesses recovery(worthless at high level)
-Green Yoshi(useless)
-Streets of Rage 2 - skate
naruto series - puppet

-Useful--
FF6 Ultima+Gembox+Mime+Quick
FF6 Offering+Genji glove+Ragnarok+Illumina
FF6 Mime+Quick+Ultima+Quick+Mime...
FF6 Psycho Cyan
FF6 Quick period!
FF6 Gogo period!
lightweights in mario kart
FF4 Meteo,XXXX
SM64 live glitch(die=1up.1up=death)
Knuckles in STH2
Streets of Rage 3 Zan
Zombies Ate my Nieghbors - shotgun
Max on streets of rage 2
Luigi on SSBM(options of WD/powershield offensively)
Conbatitribes VS mode - clown (stale mate by camping off the screen with balloons)
UMK3 machine smoke(uppercut+grappling hook+uppercut repeat...doesn't work on kentaro)
DMC 3 nunchuks,gloves(broken)
Shotgun in metal slug series(rockets? HA!)
Unreal Tournament series - flak cannon, pulse rifle,lightning gun
Breath of Fire 3 Rei(transform into were tiger)+main in dragon form
FF7 Knights of the Round+Wsummon+mime
FF6 Throw Illumina or Ragnarok kills anything including bosses
FFT Orlandu in calculator+Ribbon
SSBM shine
SSBM peach dsmash(CC=death)
SS2WW guile glitches
SSBM samus' bomb recovery(broken)
Streetfighter EX3 kairi,Evil ryu and Bison 2
CvS2 K-balrog
3S Hugo+skilled parrying+skilled execution(hayao DAMN!) = best character in the game other wise he sucks
Bloody Roar 3 Shenlong's combing and power
SMB2 Luigi(jump through stages cheap mario and toad are the boss fighters)
SMB2 princess (same but with floating)
SMB3 Tanooki suit
SMB3 Hammer bro suit
for the most part Twelve because of his vitality and damage potenial
Mario Kart 64 - ghost+star
Mario Kart 64 - star+lightning bolt
Golden Eye - timed mines and camping
FFVII - Cloud,Aerith and Cid
Sagat in nearly every game he's in
FFT - scream
Double Dragon 3 Chan
Turok 2 Celebral Bore,plasma rifle+jump, assault rifle+jump
Turok 3 shotgun(charged up)
Diddy kong Racing the squirrel,badger,and diddy
Ocarina of Time - Bigoron sword

-Decent-
CvS2 K-Dan
3S Sean SA2(if used properly)
SSBM Mewtwo (if used properly)
Bowser (if used properly)
Heavyweights on Mario kart
3S Twelve XCopy runaway/poking to build meter(taunt to increase defense and when you copy you add the bonus to the copy)
Elena Heal(poke,runaway,camp,bait parry, heal)
SSBM Young link(unblockables with fire arrow+ great shield grab)
Bloody Roar 2 - Shena (if played properly)
Super Ghouls and Ghosts - knives
Rocky Rodent - whip hair+ bird
Super Smash Bros 1 - luigi
Contra 3 - heat seakers

Return of Shiki

02-02-2007, 04:09 PM

Knuckles in Sonic 2 is not useful...he cannot jump high enough to hit Final Egg Robotnik safely 95% of the time which makes the final boss battle 10x harder and longer than it's supposed to be.

4neqs

02-02-2007, 05:25 PM

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3610626&postcount=104

^V-ism A3 Dan isn't bad

roninwarrior24

02-02-2007, 06:41 PM

Panelo is pretty useless in FFXII

No. If anything, Fran has the worst overall stats. She does NOTHING better than the other characters, not even the whole "jack-of-all-trades" thing. Vaan, on the other hand, has super-high stats in just about every area, and is definitely the best character in the game.

I will agree that Penelo contributes nothing to the plot, however.

Useful:
Scholar in FFIII DS. Item-duping Chocobo's Wraths for 9999 damage FTW.

Black Belt in FFIII DS. Insane HP growth helps.

The superweapons in RE4 (Handcannon and Chicago Typewriter).

FFV: X-Fight+2-Swords+Flare SpellBlade=you're screwed.

Assassins in FFTA.

Useless:
Black Magic in FFI, FFII, FFIII, FFVII, FFVIII (except Meteor+Angel Wing), heck, mostly every FF game out there not named IV or VI.

FFII overall.

Most jobs in FFIII NES.

There's too many to list right now...

ReggieHadoken

02-02-2007, 10:48 PM

Lantis

02-02-2007, 10:57 PM

Ahhhh yes...KOF 2000 strikers. Well, pretty much anyone who OTGs is good for the infinites (although I guess Seth was the best of 'em all, due to his delayed action, which meant you can combo the enemy while summoning Seth, and when the combo ends, Seth does his thang), but the utterly useless award goes to Kensou striker. You only have like a 20% chance that he'll heal you, and you have to be near him to actually GET healed. :annoy:

I also remember how everyone whored out Yuri and Kyo as strikers in KOF '99, but Choi was underrated. If you dared try to jump over him, he would do his hurricane move that would do plenty damage and set-up for big combos.

Dios <-X->

02-02-2007, 11:43 PM

Useful -
RCP90
anti-air assists
Goldeneye Armor
Master Materias

Useless-
KLOBB
Marrow in mvc2. seriously, i can do more damage with servbot and roll than marrows useless ass. nothing links right with her. so fucking sloppy.
Bubblegun in earthworm jim2
Kyouske in cvs2. seriously. gtfo.

4neqs

02-03-2007, 12:16 AM

Taken from a shuma gorath GAMEFAQS FAQ:

"Sentinel-
Is this a joke? He can barely move. Just don't get hit by any of his overly
telegraphed moves and you'll be fine."

I agree 100%. what a useless character. ROCKET PUNCH? OOPS TOO BAD I BLOCKED THAT SHIT SON!

Old Sir Orion and JChristopher FAQ's of that nature (especially the former's MvC2 Zangief one) are good for a bundle of laughs.

C/p to see for yourself. http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/marvel_vs_capcom_2_zangief.txt

CoMpOuNd

02-03-2007, 12:21 AM

Useless-

The fairy in Zelda... I mean WTF!?!?!?

Dasrik

02-03-2007, 05:04 AM

Useful -
Marrow in mvc2. seriously, i can do more damage with servbot and roll than marrows useless ass. nothing links right with her. so fucking sloppy.

Marrow's heat seeking bone super rapes assists. That shit resets like 2523523632 times.

Million

02-03-2007, 06:26 AM

hmm....MK Trilogy, NoobSaibot's Disabler cloud. Ah, good memories there. NoobSaibot seemed like God in that game.

Any FPS = rocket launcher, the easy-kill weapon. Aiming becomes not really that important when you get that. I have no shame in using such a braindead weapon. Rockets get the frags. Rockets put points on the board. Rockets are wonderful.

The saddest powerup in the Super Mario Bros. games was clearly the Frog suit.

Panther NeoGeo

02-03-2007, 06:29 AM

Street Fighter II moves in Mega Man X series rock hard. Dr. Light really came through for X with those hidden capsules. Well, I never could get the Dragon Punch in X2 but I'd always get the Hadoken in X1. One-hit kills any normal enemies and marverick bosses. Ryu & Ken wish their Hadokens were broken. :rofl: I can remember when I owned Vile, Sigma's dog and his Sigma's first form with that thing. One time I got REALLY lucky and owned that annoying spider boss with the Hadoken. X+Hadoken=Everyone/Everything Getting RAPED.

Dragoons from the Final Fantasy game are pretty useful IMO. You gotta love and respect the Jump command. When you're off screen you can't be attack and when you land on the enemy you do big damage. However, there is a down side such as not being able to get healed along with the rest of the party due to jumping. Still, You get to avoid attacks and do big damage when you land so that's pretty sweet in my book.

Nina from Breath of Fire III is arguably the most useless character. How is it the two Ninas before her managed to kick so much anus but she sucks so much of it? Someone must have been screwing up the Nina family in generations before. I can just splice some of Ryu's genes to transform him into a killing machine, have Rei go into beast mode or just have Gar go to town on the enemy. The BOF III Nina is such a freaking let down. In the words of Vegeta, "Get that trash off the battle field!"

I cannot believe that some people think the Feather in Super Mario Kart is useless. Don't use it to dodge Red Turtle Shells. Shortcuts FTW!!

Dragoons? The one and only time I beat FF2 (4) SNES. Kain...last dude left and the reason he survived the Big Bang was because he was off-screen when Zeromus was using it. I remember Nina kicking ass in the magical sense in BOF 2 but then I also had Bleu (didn't think at first to find her). Combining with the Shamans was useful 'till you lost enough HP.

Super Metroid SNES: Screw Attack + Perfectly Timed Space Jumps = very useful
First SF2: Chun Li & Dhalsim's sweep (rinse and repeat)
Zangrief's SPD from 5 blocks away (useful if you're computer)

Useless fighting game (s) ever: Street Combat SNES and Criticom/Evil Zone PSX

Useful -
RCP90
anti-air assists
Goldeneye Armor
Master Materias

Useless-
KLOBB
Marrow in mvc2. seriously, i can do more damage with servbot and roll than marrows useless ass. nothing links right with her. so fucking sloppy.
Bubblegun in earthworm jim2
Kyouske in cvs2. seriously. gtfo.

And the sad part of it all is Kyosuke was so good in Rival Schools/Project Justice.

4neqs

02-03-2007, 07:52 AM

Serves him right, the annoying brooding sonofabitch. On that note, the airwalk bug in PJ made his team-ups and party-ups all too easy to connect. It gave him a runaway option too.

Panther NeoGeo

02-03-2007, 08:13 AM

Serves him right, the annoying brooding sonofabitch. On that note, the airwalk bug in PJ made his team-ups and party-ups all too easy to connect. It gave him a runaway option too.

Since I'm on the Project Justice/Rival Schools clique: Natsu and Shoma Tag-Team...useful (for me, more favorite than useful) Kyoko and I forget who Ryu's "dad" was Tag-Team Fireball Sandwich.

You avatar just reminded me: KOF '97 Orochi Team (What in that game WASN'T broken).
Chris: Fireball not useful in combos UNLESS it's already out and you're close. Close range auto-combo when maxed out allows you to instantly make at least 70% of opponent's life disappear depending on what you do. On that note I'm still mad they took his "human fireball/mimic Brian Battler rush DM/SDM after '97.

Shermie: Kisses, need I say more?

Yashiro: Me and my pal in the 'Corps used to call him "Bam-Bam," for good reason. Engage close range combat at your own peril.

{PFH}-Lake

02-03-2007, 08:37 AM

Noel in Star Ocean the Second Story, talk about a waste of fucking drive space. He was supposed to be a hybrid character but ended up being a hybrid of suck not seen since Aaron Brooks was the QB for NO.

Kimahri or whatever the fuck his name was from FFX, he was supposed to be a blue mage but failed. Didnt take shit for damage, couldnt attack worth a shit and his magic sucked.

Lei in Tekken 4, no explination needed.

The Druid in D2 again no explination needed.

Sniper Rifle in Rainbow Six Vegas, you have to get a direct head shot to even have a chance to kill them and you usually dont have enough time to aim.

Smoke Grenade in Gears, no one uses that shit. It is funny to tag someone with it and watch them smoke for the rest of the game though.

Shadow Priest are fucking stupid good, they just have to fear you and drain your life bar with one of their many spells they can use.

Ryo's level 3 only special in CvS2, I remember jabbing him out of it with Joe.

Every 10 hit combo in Tekken and 99 percent of the unblocakbles. If I hear OMG I AM GOOD BECAUSE I CAN 10 HIT, I know that guy sucks instantly.

Roll in MvC2, really why. are you out of your fucking mind??!?! Element Druids with enigma armor are some of the best in the game. They fucking teleport every were with all there wolfs and heart of oak and all there other shit and you cant even touch them.

Zons are now almost useless now ever since the Enigma armor came out.

As for really useless the cursed items in all the dragon quest games.

RedPhase

02-03-2007, 09:48 AM

Zombies Ate my Neighbors

-god tier-
Monster potion(do not walk+turbo controller hold punch button you will never transform back as long as you don't move)
Shotgun
Pandora's box(great damage, invincible though the whole attack,tracks onto enemies,comboes)

-Top Tier-
Health/Health potion
Bazooka(opens doors and breaks walls,takes great damage,easy to find,great range,goes through enemies,)
Respawn (you can kill monster FAST! with just walking near them while respawning)
Speed potion+cross
Speed shoes+cross
Ghost potion+speed shoes(on normal stages or stages when you are being mobbed can walk on water to help those hard to reach areas)

High
Laughing Clown Doll - VERY useful if you want to run away or redirect enemies/bosses
cross(mostly invincible+machine gun effect+hit around you)
weed wacker (You can murder bosses with this but can be hit)
6 pack of Soda -(useful if you want to take advantage of bad AI around walls,easy to get ammo,powerful, large hitbox)

-Mid-

Bubble gun (really useful agianst ants and chainsaws)
Squirt gun (quick fast and easy to obtain ammo,good if you want to take advantage of single enemies bad chase AI ie run shoot run shoot repeat great to fend off a wide assortment of low powered enemies with running -turn around shoot)

Low
Evil Potion - invincible the whole time and enemies get off you
Knives-good agianst werewolves and mummies otherwise pretty useless
Popsicles - kills blobs dead otherwise useless
plates-???

Bottom/waste of time Tier
Tomatoes(????)
Football (ok they make the football guys runway....football players take no damage and there are like 40 of them on the field. point please?)
Poison Potion - takes power and does nothing

ShinAkumax

02-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Hmm....is it possible that FFVIII is one of the more replayable FF games ever?

I would say ff5 is.

Return of Shiki

02-03-2007, 11:33 AM

Zombies Ate my Neighbors

snip

Good tier list, but we already have a thread for non-fighting game tiers:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=96162

Lantis

02-03-2007, 11:37 AM

You avatar just reminded me: KOF '97 Orochi Team (What in that game WASN'T broken).
Chris: Fireball not useful in combos UNLESS it's already out and you're close. Close range auto-combo when maxed out allows you to instantly make at least 70% of opponent's life disappear depending on what you do. On that note I'm still mad they took his "human fireball/mimic Brian Battler rush DM/SDM after '97.

Um, he still has that super in later games. :confused:

As for KOF '97.... normal Chris was really fuckin' useless. His DP + K was VERY shitty back then (went straight up, had no range at all), crappy normals, no link combos, no teleport....

Amazing how he made the drastic jump in KOF '98. :wow:

jae hoon

02-03-2007, 01:36 PM

are you out of your fucking mind??!?! Element Druids with enigma armor are some of the best in the game. They fucking teleport every were with all there wolfs and heart of oak and all there other shit and you cant even touch them.

Zons are now almost useless now ever since the Enigma armor came out.

As for really useless the cursed items in all the dragon quest games.

And like I said before all that was after everyone quit playing. Druids were worst char class in the game for years, it isnt even debatable.

FOBio

02-03-2007, 03:54 PM

useful - i'm not even going to read through it all, but yoshi in mario world (especially the blue one). the only time i remember it not being useful, is one stage where you have to run to the end of a tunnel that has the the floor/ceiling crushing you. having yoshi with you makes you too tall and you die every time, so you gotta ditch him before you run through.

JackTenrac!

03-10-2007, 08:42 AM

Shining Force: Legacy of Great Intention, CD, Resurrection of Dark Dragon(no not Stephen), and Gaiden II.

Bad:
I gotta add Domino from any Shining Force. You get him so late in the games, there's no reason to even bother powering him up at all. It's so useless to bother, even though he looks as if he could hold his own .

Yogurt:....

The Gold guy in CD:...

Good:
Using cursed items in Shining Force as attacks. They go on at about three or so turns before breaking and actually equipping them seems to be two-pronged attack. Sure, they give you great stats, but the inflictions are random.

Zylo before promotion: nothing said can justify his awesomeness and dominance on the field.

Mawlock: literally breaks the game with his card ability. Mimic adds a clone to the field. You can have two Maxs roaming around the field. Imitation allows you to fight with ANYONE's stats. Even Dark Dragon. Dark. Dragon. This is dirty.

...that went well.

Remy Saotome

03-12-2007, 06:08 PM

Useless but adorable: Felicia's taunt throw.Aw. ^^ It is sooooo cute that it isn't useless. It makes me smile.

Shibuya

03-12-2007, 06:39 PM

useless.....getting all those weapons and shyt to beat the game in Castlevania: SOTN

Useless....having a save spot SF aniversary collection

Useful: tekken 5dr ghost system

useless :30+characters in MVC2 tournament battles

Useless......playing wow and tryin to get good at fighters at the same time

Sacr3D

03-12-2007, 07:00 PM

Useless : Most skills and equipment in FFXI.

Ouroborus

03-12-2007, 07:17 PM

useless:
Kimahri
Cyan
S-groove
Resident Evil 2 bow gun
Strider's wall climb
Sakuras dp+k
that gossiping bitch in suikoden 1
that other bitch that made you fetch her an opal in suikoden 1

useful:
A groove
stray cat rage
capcom aaa
genei jin
georg prime
matilda glitch + humphrey + windspun armor in suikoden 2
double beat rune + fury rune in suikoden 2
pre-mvc2 chaos dimension
Quistis' Degenerator limit break
celestial weapons + quick hit in ff10
RE2 custom shotgun

Dasrik

03-12-2007, 08:22 PM

Sacred Beast Cards in Yu-Gi-Oh...

GX makes them look all great, but they actually suck ass.

Useful: Cure Mermaid+Gravity Bind. Can't kill me sucka.

I can't believe I know that.

Return of Shiki

03-12-2007, 08:27 PM

Resident Evil 2 bow gun

One-hit instant kill on Lickers?

The Epidemic

03-12-2007, 08:47 PM

USELESS

-FF7 switch hp/mp materia......why would u ever do this 999hp / 9999mp??

- Trance ff9....always came at wrong time...
- Quina
- rafa, malak
- the knife in early resident evils (1,2,3)

i got more coming....

Daddyneptune

03-12-2007, 08:50 PM

USELESS

KEN MASTERS!!!!!

( Quickly dodges incoming Houdoken )

Tiberious

03-12-2007, 10:00 PM

Sacred Beast Cards in Yu-Gi-Oh...

GX makes them look all great, but they actually suck ass.

Useful: Cure Mermaid+Gravity Bind. Can't kill me sucka.

I can't believe I know that.

Wrong. Bad Reaction to Simochi and MY Lava Golem on YOUR side of the field. Throw in a Rain of Mercy or two, and that's major hurting right there.

Useless: Sagat's 'CPS-2' Tiger Knee. Well, at least for its 'main' use, hopping over fireballs on reaction and maybe getting a free hit/knockdown.

Useful: Sagat's 'CPS1' Tiger Knee. Useful for all the reasons there, plus it's QUICK.

Useful: HF Ken's 'suck-you-in' Hurricane Kick in SF2HF.

Useless: Turbo Ken's Hurricane Kick in HSF2. Shame they didn't make the collision boxes accurate on that...

Useless, but fun: ST Sagat's 5-hit Tiger Uppercut in the corner, juggled for an extra hit by Tiger Genocide. Wasting the Super bar for one extra hit is pretty damn dumb most of the time...

Useless: This string of text found within Hyper SF2's .XBE... "My fists will show you the depths of your weakness." Wonder who THAT might belong to? why wasn't it used?

SuicidalGrandpa

03-12-2007, 10:23 PM

Useless...The blue beam gun in UT

CoMpOuNd

03-12-2007, 10:29 PM

The world in Loco Roco is very useful. The world tips side too side just so you can roll around in the right places, and eat the flowers.

trippy ass game...

word.

Vic Viper

03-12-2007, 11:04 PM

Useful:

Holy Water (Castlevania 1): Kills almost every boss, except first form Dracula.
Master (Final Fantasy 1): Kills almost anything in one turn. Cast Haste = FTW.
Axel (Streets of Rage 2): Possibly the most broken character. Grand Upper FTW.

Useless:

Dagger (almost all Castlevania games): Only useful for characters with Item Crash ability.
The "gear" Shield (Gradius/Parodius series): Only has front protection.
The Fist (NES Predetor): See Armake's Games that Suck: Apocalypes review.
Ultima spell (Final Fantasy 2 [Not talking about FFIV): Only does like 600 HP, while a 16:99 Sword Level does way more than that.
Ghost Food (NES Ghostbusters): See AVGN's Ghostbusters review.
Shin Akuma, playable version (Capcom Fighting Evolution): Can get raped by one combo. Also loses his dizzy combos that involve the double air fireballs.
Laser (Contra): Rapid fire unfriendly.

Useless:
Black Magic in FFI

Which is why I choose a Red Mage over a Black:

-Red Mage has the right Black Spells I need (The "-aga" ones.).
-MAX level Red Mage's Sunblade does the same amount of damage as a Flare.
-Always have a backup Life, incase White Mage dies. This is pre Final Fantasy 1 Advance, where Pheonix Downs were added to the game.

AlphaDragoon02

03-12-2007, 11:25 PM

InfiniDragon615

03-13-2007, 12:05 AM

Noel in Star Ocean the Second Story, talk about a waste of fucking drive space. He was supposed to be a hybrid character but ended up being a hybrid of suck not seen since Aaron Brooks was the QB for NO.

:rofl:

Seriously, ALL mages in SO2 were absolute shit, with the exception of Rena. Those motherfuckers take forever and a day to hit someone once for 9999, meanwhile Claude, Dias, Ashton and others are raping everything in sight. Not to mention their ass stats compared to fighters...ugh. At the least, Noel could exploit Bloody Armor, but he still sucks hosewater, despite that hack.

Now, you know who the most retarded cheap character in that game was? Chisato Madison was NOT to be fucked with. Tear Gas was absolutely sickening, you corner the enemy long enough for even one of these...fight's fucking over. Gabriel Celesta lasted like 4 minutes trying to take on a team with Claude and Chisato. Once that gas stuns you...yeah.

Speaking of SO, SO3 had so many hacks you can't count them on one hand. Effin' Peppita's invincibility against ANY attack while dancing? Come the fuck on, she can stand through an ETHER STRIKE. :wtf: That should not happen. Speaking of, why is it that Fayt and Mirage were invincible on every difficulty except 4D?! Did they not expect someone to abuse Boots of Prowess or something? We've got Sophia, with infinite stunlock combos...so basically everything dies while stunned...and Explosion combos do a LOT of damage. Side Kick/Ethereal Blast is so retarded it needs no explanation...and that's not even getting into Maria. Ye gods, she was hacked. Two of the best attacks in the game (Aiming Device and Scatter Beam) are available at the offset...this I will never understand. She could just sit back and blast pretty much everyone with little risk. Then we get the other dangerous "EB", Energy Burst, no real explanation on this. Finally, the little known hack about Maria, the Convert Damage trick. Her naturally high MP + Valkyrie Garb= up to 250-300,000 HP equivalent with Convert Damage on. WHAT. THE. HELL.

As broken as the SO3 cast is, no...they don't approach the top rank. No. Only one character in RPG history is allowed to stand on that hallowed pedestal of uber, ridiculous, OMGWTFBBQHAX level...

And that one character is Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter Ryu.

There was literally NO way to kill this man. If you go into dragon hybrid, he is quite literally a god. NOTHING does damage. NOTHING survives more than two attacks from this unstoppable beast of a form, excluding the last boss. It's a good thing there was a D-Counter, because once dragon form is unleashed, you literally have no way of losing a fight. And even with the counter, you could still let that form rip of a good deal of bosses in the game. Ryu was the king of kings, hack of hacks. No other I have seen comes before him.

Ice Prince

03-13-2007, 02:03 AM

Useful: Final Fantasy, Guilty Gear, Street Fighter

Useless: Everything else

Nuff said.

Ouroborus

03-13-2007, 02:36 AM

One-hit instant kill on Lickers?

how? 90% of the time i cant even get all of the 3 arrows in nor does it knock them back.

Shadowcuz

03-13-2007, 02:51 AM

Useless: Sean

Mango91

03-13-2007, 09:11 AM

FFX-2

Alchemist with a stashed megapotion and Chemist, but I'm not even sure if Chemist will add because I've never used a megapotion before I learned it, and for some FUCKED UP reason, a stashed ether doesn't work with chemist :(

The samurai dressphere has all of these stat boosting moves like Hayate (haste), Nonpareil (up attack and accuracy), and No Fear (shell and protect)

Bribe some water gems from blue elementals for like 3000 and buy a shitload Holy waters. Mix them and spam white hole all day WITH an Elementalist assist.

Darkness in general . . .

Scatterburst (critical to everyone)

And I actually have Yuna on black mage a lot. It's actually pretty good so long as you have MP absorb

OH and it's absolute bullshit how there are no equips that let you use FlimFlam or something because I let Rikku be the Theif, but she's my Alchemist most of the time and I would REALLY like to steal a bunch of stuff, but noooooooo. thanks Square

Useless

Songstress for me at least

Things like Warrior, White Mage, Black Mage, Samurai, and Berserker after you get their equipment things that let you use their abilities without having to be in the actual job.

Dark Knight's status spells.

More to comeon other games as I think of them . . .

Korigama

03-13-2007, 09:57 AM

Useful: dodge cancelling in God Hand (guard break --> High Side Kick + dodge cancel all day)

FOBio

03-13-2007, 11:08 AM

Useless-

Marrow in mvc2. seriously, i can do more damage with servbot and roll than marrows useless ass. nothing links right with her. so fucking sloppy.

damn you, dios! you remember how i used to use her, right?

roninwarrior24

03-13-2007, 11:28 AM

Useful:

Master (Final Fantasy 1): Kills almost anything in one turn. Cast Haste = FTW.

Useless:

Ultima spell (Final Fantasy 2 [Not talking about FFIV): Only does like 600 HP, while a 16:99 Sword Level does way more than that.

Which is why I choose a Red Mage over a Black:

-Red Mage has the right Black Spells I need (The "-aga" ones.).
-MAX level Red Mage's Sunblade does the same amount of damage as a Flare.
-Always have a backup Life, incase White Mage dies. This is pre Final Fantasy 1 Advance, where Pheonix Downs were added to the game.

Umm, about the Master thing, do you mean a lv.50 Master, or the class overall? I personally find Knight to be the better class because Fighter/Knight just rules the ENTIRE game instead of just the endgame.

Black Magic in FFII has 1 major use, and only in DoS: When fighting Ultima Weapon. That guy is pretty much immune to physical attacks, so Flare/Holy is the way to go. Other than that 1 fight and against enemies that have an elemental weakness (like Golems and Flans), Black Magic (actually, pretty much all magic minus Cure, Esuna, Life, Teleport, and some others) is useless.

Making a pure-mage character (staffs, rods, maces, mystic armor) in Final Fantasy XII is one of the worst decisions you could make. You're better off giving all of your characters Greatswords/Masamune/Zodiac Spear/Maximillian/Magepower Shishaks with support spells/buffs/healing as backup.

Speaking of FFXII, most weapon types are not that great (ESPECIALLY at the endgame, in which all you need are Greatswords/Masamune/Zodiac Spear/maybe Yagyu Darkblade).

Dasrik

03-14-2007, 12:31 AM

Wrong. Bad Reaction to Simochi and MY Lava Golem on YOUR side of the field. Throw in a Rain of Mercy or two, and that's major hurting right there.
Boo. :(

ChibiT89

03-14-2007, 12:38 AM

Useless: sack of skin around the vagina

Useful: vaginas

From the game of "life"

kof4life

03-14-2007, 01:18 AM

Useful:
Terry's burn knuckle.
Terry's power geyser. (biased Terry fan here)
Princess's healing abilites in Mario RPG.
Squall and Zell's limit breaks in FF8.
Wakka's attack reels in FFX.
Parrying in 3s. (still working on it!)

Useless:
Dan (he's hella fun,though!)
Hadoukens in MvC2.
Lei in Tekken 5.(to my great dismay)

I'll think of more later.

Azrael

03-14-2007, 01:29 AM

A-fucking-men to the Klobb. My GOD, what a waste of coding.

My friends and I used to play License to Kill on the honor system - no gun, no shooting. Sometimes, we'd find a character who appeared to be holding a gun. "Don't shoot, it's a Klobb!" they'd say. And we'd LET THEM GO. And they wouldn't try to shoot us in the back.

THAT'S HOW SHITTY THE KLOBB WAS.

And then sometimes we'd pick up a Klobb, and then just switch to the hand chop anyway. Even in Power Weapons, we'd rather put The Chop up against someone with an RCP-90 than arm the Klobb.

THAT'S HOW FUCKING USELESS THE KLOBB WAS.

And why did it show up in like EVERY weapon scenario?