Stun Gun Headbutt FTW

[Mackinzie]

i found a decent set up for SGH (saIII) but it involves what your opponents reaction is.

now i've tested this only on ps2 against dudley and hugo please test it out more if you can

what i do is charge back roll foward with a mk and if they block cancel into a mp sgh most of the time like 90% they can't even jump out of the way sooo try it out. and list any other set ups you can find

[Duralath]

They can't jump out of it. But on reaction (all a good player has to see is the super flash) and they can just jab you out of it.

[Gaijinblaze]

Most characters can also dash under it, even in those lame blockstun setups. Or use some kind of unthrowable move like srk.

Why do new players like Stungun so much? Because it's funny? I swear so many new people would rather be funny instead of learning how to play well. Maybe one day I'll figure out why that is.

[Duralath]

Maybe it's because it's super number 3? Or the fact that it provides instant stun?

Most new players aren't really focused on learning the game and really becoming good at it, I believe. It's more of just a hobby to them, so they can dick around and be stupid with it.

That or you've got balls if you're making it your main super for competitive play. SGH cuts off so many options that Alex just needs in order to really be effective. Plus, he can deal stun damage so well that it's almost like you really don't need SGH.

[Arkayne17]

Maybe it's because it's super number 3? Or the fact that it provides instant stun?

Most new players aren't really focused on learning the game and really becoming good at it, I believe. It's more of just a hobby to them, so they can dick around and be stupid with it.

That or you've got balls if you're making it your main super for competitive play. SGH cuts off so many options that Alex just needs in order to really be effective. Plus, he can deal stun damage so well that it's almost like you really don't need SGH.

Yeah I understand that , But I think im one of the only ballsy people who play SAIII religiously... Because I dont like the other two specials. I understand the pros and cons.. but eh.. Its more of a personal thing.

[Dander]

Yeah I understand that , But I think im one of the only ballsy people who play SAIII religiously... Because I dont like the other two specials. I understand the pros and cons.. but eh.. Its more of a personal thing.

Then again you care to claim elena as one one of your main characters.
Thus, I won't take you very seriously.


a fairly good setup that leaves very few outs (found out by my main heterosexual partner, sanchez) is air to air fierce. You'll land before them and just activate Fierce SA3. I dunno if you should do it instantly or wait a bit, but I think that the fact that they were reset and the shit is meaty as fuck, makes it hard to jab out of.

[Sanchez]

what i do is charge back roll foward with a mk and if they block cancel into a mp sgh most of the time like 90% they can't even jump out of the way sooo try it out. and list any other set ups you can find

Welcome to 1999.

No one can jump out of this set up. Everyone can jab out this set up. And that's its biggest fucking weakness. While it's not impossible to land Stungun off the Slash elbow, the basic set up has too many ways out.

If people try to get flashy on the escape you can fuck 'em up for it. But the problem lies in the fact that anyone worth their salt isn't going to risk nearly half life on DP that can get baited when a jab solves the problem way better.

[OmegaX]

Welcome to 1999.

No one can jump out of this set up. Everyone can jab out this set up. And that's its biggest fucking weakness. While it's not impossible to land Stungun off the Slash elbow, the basic set up has too many ways out.

If people try to get flashy on the escape you can fuck 'em up for it. But the problem lies in the fact that anyone worth their salt isn't going to risk nearly half life on DP that can get baited when a jab solves the problem way better.


C'mon, it was at least 2000 before it was found, at least by the US.

Best way to use SG is to wait for an opponent to jump in and throw out the light version so it hits/grabs as the opponent lands.

[Mackinzie]

Maybe it's because it's super number 3? Or the fact that it provides instant stun?

Most new players aren't really focused on learning the game and really becoming good at it, I believe. It's more of just a hobby to them, so they can dick around and be stupid with it.

That or you've got balls if you're making it your main super for competitive play. SGH cuts off so many options that Alex just needs in order to really be effective. Plus, he can deal stun damage so well that it's almost like you really don't need SGH.

all of that is true i'm more into casual play, and i like stun gun for the stun and the pure humility of actually landing it almost as sad as getting hit with a demon, also the short charge for the super is nice so i don't worry too much if i miss the recovery isn't THAT bad.

[Waggs313]

Is Sa2 or 1 the best for Alex? I use 2 due to his ex. What are yoru opinions.

[LakeEarth]

The only way to get people to stop using this setup - pick Hugo SAII.

Elbow Slash blocked
(flash)
YOU CAN'T ESCAPE!
(flash)
MOONSAULT...PREEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Love it.

[Dander]

well there is your mistake not taking me seriously lol. Just because I dont play that top tier yun, ken , chun shit. Do you care to say you dont take me seriously about anyone else I play? Anyways for your future reference my elena is to pick of the n00bs who come around me trying to play and talk all their crap.. I get an S++ and call it a day.

I have no more to say to you.

its not that you don't play top tier yun chun or ken, oh wait you do play ken. AND Makoto.

but anyway.

its not that, its that elena has only three good things to her.

back roundhouse
cr. strong to SA 2
kara grab

Show me a picture of this S++ and I'll apologize, cause frankly I don't believe you. I watch all of the top so cal player play and rarely if ever see them get S++. Well adolfo gets em all the time, but still. I Have only gotten as high as an S+ on good p layer or a scrub. And I like to think I'm the best player in the world.

To put it frankly.

Any Alex player that uses anything but SA2 and wins is either KSK or Zangoef, or gets lucky a lot.

Luck =/= Skill

[Arkayne17]

its not that you don't play top tier yun chun or ken, oh wait you do play ken. AND Makoto.

but anyway.

its not that, its that elena has only three good things to her.

back roundhouse
cr. strong to SA 2
kara grab

Show me a picture of this S++ and I'll apologize, cause frankly I don't believe you. I watch all of the top so cal player play and rarely if ever see them get S++. Well adolfo gets em all the time, but still. I Have only gotten as high as an S+ on good p layer or a scrub. And I like to think I'm the best player in the world.

To put it frankly.

Any Alex player that uses anything but SA2 and wins is either KSK or Zangoef, or gets lucky a lot.

Luck =/= Skill

Lol , You dont have to beleive me about the S++ I have the creds to back it up.
My 3s partner is on SRK.. and he witnesses it all the time because always with me.


Dude , where does it say anywhere I play Ken? I hate top tier.. and I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE SHOTOS.

Dude thats SoCal.. in Ohio.. theirs not much comp around...

And I dont understand how you can make a bold statement like that and say.. .

" Any Alex player that uses anything but SA2 and wins is either KSK or Zangoef, or gets lucky a lot.

Luck =/= Skill "


How do you know that people who use any other SA than SA2 gets lucky? You dont have the means to make that assumption.. How I see it. Their are more "somewhat skilled " Alex players around who CAN WIN.. with a different SA and it not be by luck.

[Duralath]

...Joel Benefiel (BuffOtaku) wins using SA1 Alex half of the time. He's still a solid Alex, too.

[Dander]

...Joel Benefiel (BuffOtaku) wins using SA1 Alex half of the time. He's still a solid Alex, too.

shut the fuck up andrew you're on my side.

BuffOtaku is a beast though. That's different.


and arkayne,

friends lie for me all the time, except today.

Duralath and Sanchez don't seem to wanna come to my aid.

SA 1 is dangerous because if you are neutral when they activate, you can jump on reaction and be safe.


SA3 is dangerous because everyone can easily jab, while necro is the only one that really has a hard time jabbing.

Makoto can dash out of any of them too.

[ReNiC]

No!!!

[Dander]

No!!!

thank you.

[DevilJin 01]

So this topic secures that SA3 is horrible for Alex. It's still fun tho.

[Mackinzie]

So this topic secures that SA3 is horrible for Alex. It's still fun tho.

damn straight, and no one would in their right mind use something like this in competitive play, i don't even use alex all that much i have respect for him but i just love catching people with the sgh fierce flash and german suplex. =p

[LakeEarth]

Necro is the only character where stungun works. His jumps/drill kicks are so floaty that its easy to time a stungun to hit him just as he lands.

[Duralath]

shut the fuck up andrew you're on my side.

Couldn't help myself.

[iwst99]

Not to be rude, but your friend in your vids just tries to block Stun Gun. Does he know you can't block Stun Gun? I can probably get S++ with Alex too if everyone I knew blocked Stun Gun.

[Dander]

lol.. Yeah well those are quite the retro. Now he knows not to block SAIII. Those were back when we were not at competitive level.
But the S++ things were not regarding alex they were regarding how he said

" He cant take me seriously because I care to claim elena as one of my mains"

I don't think anyone can. Not just me. I know Ty and Sanchez can't. Maybe not Andrew. And for sure not Don.


so :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[iwst99]

WTF? Why did the post posted right after Dander's that said unless dander had proof of his gameplay skillz he should STFU get deleted....enigmatic shit up in here.

[Mechanica]

I tried to parry stungun today. :karate:

[UltraDavid]

What's up with LA and Alex players. I swear, every third SoCal 3S player plays Alex. Alex, Ken, or Denjin Ryu.

[DevilJin 01]

It's all about the Cali magic. You gotta believe. You don't need combos when you have the crazy mix ups and stun. I say it's a helluva lot better than Ken, Ken, Chun. Think a lot of people can get into Alex because although he's not quite top tier (he's a tier above bottom at most) he can end the match with a few good guesses and he's not terribly difficult to get the hang of and has better maneuverability and attacking options than Q/Hugo. You don't feel like you're piloting a Megazord when using him. He has just the right balance of learning curve/damage potential to make him fun to pick up and get into.

The fact that he's not top tier probably attracts people even more to him. They don't have to feel like they're expected to win and their wins feel more accomplished. Look at KSK...everytime he does a powerbomb or a s.HP on wake up everyone wets themselves at the ranbat.

[SmrK]

Alex seems to be more popular in America and Australia. At least I don't know anyone good that plays him in Europe. Could be wrong though. Maybe I'll be the first one:rofl: :rofl: Jokes aside, I like Alex. I like STNGN. Will probably move on to SA2 sometime in the future, but for now, I enjoy getting on the nerves of people I play against. People are affraid of Alex with SA3, when they know that one mistake can mean half your life is gone. They are affraid, 'cause they know that only a few hits can result in stun. Oh, and he's a real man's man:lovin:

[Dander]

I don't ever guess parry. Takes away from the skill.

I used to try it all the time, but I never try guess parrying on wake up anymore. Only air, or fireball parries. Maybe random attacks that come straight at you, but never wake up. It feels so wrong.


and David fuck you niggah


you got anyone for sbo team quals? I need a 2nd and a 3rd and I like your Q. Despite the fact that I don't like you. :-D

[Mackinzie]

can stun gun be grabguard/tech'd out of?

[DarkZero]

Grabguard? Never heard such a thing.

Anyways it can't be teched out of

[UltraDavid]

you got anyone for sbo team quals? I need a 2nd and a 3rd and I like your Q. Despite the fact that I don't like you. :-D
When is that, is it in LA? I mean, sorry dude, I'm already on a team with Kuroda and TM.

[Hol Horse]

Alex seems to be more popular in America and Australia. At least I don't know anyone good that plays him in Europe. Could be wrong though. Maybe I'll be the first one:rofl: :rofl: Jokes aside, I like Alex. I like STNGN. Will probably move on to SA2 sometime in the future, but for now, I enjoy getting on the nerves of people I play against. People are affraid of Alex with SA3, when they know that one mistake can mean half your life is gone. They are affraid, 'cause they know that only a few hits can result in stun. Oh, and he's a real man's man:lovin:



Alex is somewhat popular in Italy, he's the main character of a few players and others have him as a secondary character

[iwst99]

Is the 3s scene big in Italy? I went to Rome and couldn't find one single arcade place :(

PS Dander suckxxx

[SmrK]

Is the 3s scene big in Italy? I went to Rome and couldn't find one single arcade place :(


I don't think that the whole arcade scene is big in Europe... Where I come from it's mainly PS2 and arcade sticks. Come to think of it, I don't think I ever saw a SF3 cabinet in RL.:wgrin:

[iwst99]

I lived in Russia too, and the only arcade I remember ever seeing was a random racing game at a bowling alley. :(

Um yea, so...STUN GUN motha fuckas.

[SmrK]

I lived in Russia too, and the only arcade I remember ever seeing was a random racing game at a bowling alley. :(


I lived in Moscow between 1995-1999 and the only fighting cabinet I remember was a Virtua fighter 1 in the north part of the city, near Prospekt Mira.:wgrin:

So, um... yeah... STUNGUN ftw imho tbfh ffs
Although every serious Alex player will tell me to go for SA2 and prove that they are right, I'll stick with it :)

[Mackinzie]

Grabguard? Never heard such a thing.

Anyways it can't be teched out of

well i don't know the name for it but you knew what i meant so, so long as my point got across. man i collect negative rep over the stupidest crap -_-

[DevilJin 01]

LOL @ people that negative rep. E-thuggin for real yo. I don't like that post son!

[Dander]

well i don't know the name for it but you knew what i meant so, so long as my point got across. man i collect negative rep over the stupidest crap -_-

yo man that's fucked!

money match that bitch for pride.

If I get neg repped for this, you know shits going down.

[iwst99]

*Positive Reps Dander for no reason*

Get out of the closet Lenin.

[X-COPY]

Some people in this thread are so elitist, when they're not even good. Stop acting like you know what is good and what isn't. Most people talk like they can get out of it 100%, but then you see em crumble under pressure and always get grabbed. Then follows either the weak laughter of a tool who's just been proven blunt, or an even weaker excuse. My jab didn't come out! I couldn't dash! I couldn't uppercut! Pathetic...

[Duralath]

But it's still been established that Stun Gun really isn't a good super. If you make it work, more power to you.

Shit, I know, I've lost to Stun Gun Alex players before and that was because whatever I was doing didn't come out (and I knew exactly that it didn't come out). Sticks aren't always perfect. Mistakes do happen and malfunctions do occur.

By the way you talk, it sounds like you're a Stun Gun player that knows it all. So enlighten us, then, oh-great-master-of-Stun-Gun. Give us more of your oh-so-great reasoning.

[DevilJin 01]

X COPY comes to beast another thread.

[Sanchez]

Here's a fun challenge--Go to Evo. Pick Stungun. If you land it on me using one of the frame traps I'LL GIVE YOU 100$ AMERICAN!

I don't claim to be some kind of 3S Jesus, but I can tell you what's good. And Stungun isn't good. Outside of a random wake up situations, flashchops, and telegraphed fireballs Stungun is just not going to connect.

Don't even try to argue that it's a good super. Shippu is a good super. Chun SA2 is a good super. Why are they good supers? They're confirmable off a myriad of normals, UOHs, and fuck--You can even use them to chip someone to death!

With Stungun you're trading in an entire bar of meter for a gamble. The problem is that gamble isn't even something that's dependent on the game itself. You're gambling on whether or not your opponent is a fucking stooge.

Try one of the setups on anyone that has a remote idea how Stungun works and all you'll do put YOURSELF in a reset situation with no meter to work with.

That's the fucking investment of the century right there!

Do me a favor and get your HOLIER-THAN-THOU bullshit out my face. No one here is being elitist about anything. Just telling it like it is. Accept my Sanchez Stungun Challenge or take your trolling ass somewhere else.

[UltraDavid]

I've personally seen half a dozen people in this thread either beat or go even with some of the best players in the country. Consistently beat, maybe not, but that's still pretty hot. Some of them in tournaments, even.

[pherai]

i like stun gun for the stun and the pure humility of actually landing it almost as sad as getting hit with a demon

I don't get it. Every so often someone thinks they're a pro by saying only an idiot would have a demon landed on them. A demon is way easier to land than sgh :arazz:

[Duralath]

Exactly...like Kara Demon.

Where the fuck are you from, X-COPY?

Oh, and Sanchez, you done with that video yet?

[Dander]

I've personally seen half a dozen people in this thread either beat or go even with some of the best players in the country. Consistently beat, maybe not, but that's still pretty hot. Some of them in tournaments, even.

were you talking about me?

oh that's oh so nice.


you're definitely on my quals team now.

but for real...you showing up?

[Sanchez]

Oh, and Sanchez, you done with that video yet?

I'm still trying to find a distributor. The people at Miramax gave me the dirtiest looks when I pitched the idea behind my video. Apparently there's no market for Educational Documentaries about "3rd Strike Alex Fundamentals".

And I thought Miramax was cool.

Warner spit in my face and laughed when they saw I had a section dedicated to StunGunHeadbutt.

Hopefully I'll have some luck with Indie distributors when Cannes rolls around...



In all seriousness--I should have everything finalized soon enough. I don't want to pull a Thongboy with this shit.

[pherai]

I'm still trying to find a distributor. The people at Miramax gave me the dirtiest looks when I pitched the idea behind my video. Apparently there's no market for Educational Documentaries about "3rd Strike Alex Fundamentals".

And I thought Miramax was cool.

Warner spit in my face and laughed when they saw I had a section dedicated to StunGunHeadbutt.

Hopefully I'll have some luck with Indie distributors when Cannes rolls around...



In all seriousness--I should have everything finalized soon enough. I don't want to pull a Thongboy with this shit.

Didn't you know the dudes at Miramax are tier whores?

[iwst99]

I'm still trying to find a distributor. The people at Miramax gave me the dirtiest looks when I pitched the idea behind my video. Apparently there's no market for Educational Documentaries about "3rd Strike Alex Fundamentals".

And I thought Miramax was cool.

Warner spit in my face and laughed when they saw I had a section dedicated to StunGunHeadbutt.

Hopefully I'll have some luck with Indie distributors when Cannes rolls around...



In all seriousness--I should have everything finalized soon enough. I don't want to pull a Thongboy with this shit.

Aren't Miramax those guys that make those classy films, like the Crying :sad: Game and The Piano?



On a side note, Affleck was the BOMB in Phantoms yo.

PS Sanchez, send me your video so I can make sure you're not missing anything cause I'm an Alex master.

[LakeEarth]

I'll admit that the last time I played someone using Stungun I got hit by it. I was playing Ken and when I saw it coming I did a jab SRK, but I guess I was slightly too far, because not only did my fist miss him, the stungun connected while I was at the height of the SRK. Its one of those weird things SG can do.

[UltraDavid]

were you talking about me?

oh that's oh so nice.


you're definitely on my quals team now.

but for real...you showing up?
Psh, dude, the only thing you beat is your meat. And when is this SBO qualifying thing, already?

[iwst99]

^^

That was Ultra funny.

Closet Lenin ftl.

[Hol Horse]

Is the 3s scene big in Italy? I went to Rome and couldn't find one single arcade place :(


3s scene in Italy is small and on console mostly, though Rome is actually the only place where arcade 3s still gets some attention. Afaik there's only ONE arcade with a 3s machine, but it was getting regular competition last time I was there.

[X-COPY]

Stungun has a supershort meter, hardly any risk involved (wow, you get jabbed or srk'ed or whatever, big fuckin deal), and it's scary as fuck, that's not a good super?

The fact that you can use it to random ppl out of 50% already makes it good ENOUGH to warrant its use.

And did anybody mention one of the best ways to land it? Air-to-air fierce, fierce SGH right when you land. Try jabbing/dashing/jumping out of that. The only thing that will save u is something invincible, but when you use Stungun enough to realize it beats uppercuts randomly, you also realize that's it's a pretty damn good super.

[iwst99]

but when you use Stungun enough to realize it beats uppercuts randomly, you also realize that's it's a pretty damn good super.

OMG it beats things out RANDOMLY? I'm there :lovin:

[X-COPY]

OMG it beats things out RANDOMLY? I'm there :lovin:

SGH is the King of random supers...

[Duralath]

Stungun has a supershort meter, hardly any risk involved (wow, you get jabbed or srk'ed or whatever, big fuckin deal), and it's scary as fuck, that's not a good super?

The fact that you can use it to random ppl out of 50% already makes it good ENOUGH to warrant its use.

And did anybody mention one of the best ways to land it? Air-to-air fierce, fierce SGH right when you land. Try jabbing/dashing/jumping out of that. The only thing that will save u is something invincible, but when you use Stungun enough to realize it beats uppercuts randomly, you also realize that's it's a pretty damn good super.

Uhm...not really. Otherwise we would've been clued in on it before. Maybe the people you're playing against aren't timing their counter very well.

On top of that, you're setting up with air-to-air fierce. There's still enough time, IIRC, to provide a suitable counter when the fierce SGH comes out.

Believe what you want. I'll stick to SA2 and more options (plus keeping a super if I need it) plus more EX meter, which is really what Alex needs to rely on.

Oh, and you never answered where you play at.

[iwst99]

SGH is the King of random supers...

FACETIOUSNESS understanding FTL :looney:

[X-COPY]

FACETIOUSNESS understanding FTL :looney:

Ya think? :rolleyes:

People seem to think Stungun = shoulder xx or flashchop xx which is stupid.

Of course if those are your only setups you're going to think the super sucks, cause ummmm let's see, you're telegraphing it with the super flash, and it's not even a tight "trap"...

Now on the other hand, if you use the super for what it was intended, then you have something interesting. Think of SGH as a "free" super...like Genei or Aegis or Yang's SA3. It has one of the shortest meters in the game, it's hard to punish (seriously), it does a LOT (50%) when it connects, and you can pretty much land it off just bait. Yes, it's gimmicky, so fucking what? So what are some good ways to land it?

1) UOH, jab SGH

So what happens if they went for the throw (which is something that a LOT of players will do)?

Answer: They get stunned. Next.

2) Empty jumpin, jab SGH

Guess what most players will try to do? Throw. Guess what will happen?

Answer: They get stunned. Next.

3) close forward xx short DDT (whiffs or KD), jab SGH

This is riskier in the sense that they could go for a lot of things (jab/fierce SRK's, c. forwards, close strongs, jabs, whatever. Something like Ken's c. forward recovers in 17 frames from what I read, and a throw recovers in 21. From my testing, SGH grabs both of them if they were whiffed at the exact same time. Chun's c. forward recovers in 14 frames, but she also is grabbed out of everything EXCEPT her EX HCB+K move (which as startup invincibility) from what I can tell. But guess what? Alex recovers before her, so he can just parry on reaction, and fuck her up just as bad as if the super had landed...poor, poor Chun. :sad:

4) air to air j. jab, land, close forward xx rh Elbow xx jab/strong SGH

Results: If they jumped after the close forward, they eat the Elbow, and get juggled by the strong SGH (read: it will combo for 5 hits without the followup). If they just blocked, they can jab (yes, we know, it's common knowledge), or they can do an invincible move (a move that is OTG will not necessarily escape Stungun because the super grabs out of the air to a limited degree...once again, common knowledge, but thought I'd throw it out there). Is this setup terrible? No, because in a tournament setting, reacting to Stungun is a lot different than in training mode. Now, here's the thing. If you cancel into a jab SGH, then the spacing will make an anti-air jab whiff a lot of times (since 3S is such detailed and precise game, the spacing will not always be exact).

5) Anti-air jab SGH

Works like a charm. Most characters can't avoid it without invincible supers.

6) parried far jab as anti-air > parried close forward xx jab Chop > opponent lands...and what comes next? Guess?

Result: SGH > whiffed throw

7) jump up fierce (blocked), whiff throw, jab SGH (haha, the creator knows who he is)

Result: CANNOT FAIL. Whiff throw, super > the world.

8) air to air j. fierce, land, and immediately do fierce SGH

This shit will grab so many characters unless they have an high priority/invincible special/super.

9) anti-air far jab, dash in, jab SGH

Alex recovers from his dash before the opponent lands...SGH > whiffed throw.

10) Elbow xx jab/strong SGH

Use jab if you think they're going to try and counter it with a s. jab. They will most likely whiff and get grabbed. The downside is that they can jump out of it. Use strong when you think they will try to jump. It's a guessing game in Alex's favor.

11) close forward xx fierce Chop xx strong SGH

The bad thing about this setup is that if they do get hit by the Chop, the strong SGH won't combo. If you do a jab SGH, it will, but if they blocked the Chop, it won't reach. Bottom line: bet on the block. This setup is escapable by s. jab.

[Mackinzie]

may favorite is:

push the other guys stick so he has to go get it so you can sgh 100% effective.

lol

[Duralath]

Baiting throws. That's your only solution? Albeit, it sounds nice, if all you're doing is baiting throws, the minute someone clues in on to your strategy, where do you go from there?

Who the fuck cares if you're going to be random? Good luck winning a major with that strategy. Again, we'll stick with SA2. Better results with SA2.

[X-COPY]

Baiting throws. That's your only solution? Albeit, it sounds nice, if all you're doing is baiting throws, the minute someone clues in on to your strategy, where do you go from there?

Who the fuck cares if you're going to be random? Good luck winning a major with that strategy. Again, we'll stick with SA2. Better results with SA2.

Man, Alex is not going to win a major either way. It's not like I'm saying SGH is the best super ever. I just like it and thinks it deserves more credit.

PS. Didn't J (or whoever the Makoto player was) win SBO with what the Japs perceived as randomness? Anyway, randomness works.

[Duralath]

You like it, that's fine. Deserves more credit? If it did, more people would be using it by now. Doesn't matter to me what you play, anyway.

Makoto isn't random. Makoto is bullshit. That's the difference. Alex can't capitalize off of randomness as well as Makoto can, anyway.

[X-COPY]

You like it, that's fine. Deserves more credit? If it did, more people would be using it by now. Doesn't matter to me what you play, anyway.

Makoto isn't random. Makoto is bullshit. That's the difference. Alex can't capitalize off of randomness as well as Makoto can, anyway.

People just follow the greatness of others. It's not like there's some big SF convention each year where new ideas are discussed and old ones challenged. Top players use certain characters/supers and the rest follow, and a lot of times, these same top players trash a super, so the same followers form their own opinions based on these top players' ones. Usually everything is figured out by the end of a game, but that doesn't mean dismissing everything that is not top-tier. You gotta believe, bitch!

[pherai]

People just follow the greatness of others. It's not like there's some big SF convention each year where new ideas are discussed and old ones challenged. Top players use certain characters/supers and the rest follow, and a lot of times, these same top players trash a super, so the same followers form their own opinions based on these top players' ones. Usually everything is figured out by the end of a game, but that doesn't mean dismissing everything that is not top-tier. You gotta believe, bitch!

What the fuck? You are trying to tell people not to dismiss things that aren't top tier in an alex forum???

[X-COPY]

What the fuck? You are trying to tell people not to dismiss things that aren't top tier in an alex forum???

god, fuck my original message, fuck this thread, if you guys were so open minded you would try contributing to this thread, instead of posting predictable bullshit responses like use SA2, or omg SA3 sucks in high level play...like any of you play anyone remotely high level lol stfu

[pherai]

god, fuck my original message, fuck this thread, if you guys were so open minded you would try contributing to this thread, instead of posting predictable bullshit responses like use SA2, or omg SA3 sucks in high level play...like any of you play anyone remotely high level lol stfu

almost all the people posting here play at ffa.

[Duralath]

Do you, X-COPY? We still don't know who your competition is.

[X-COPY]

almost all the people posting here play at ffa.

Then one would think this thread would have more useful posts...


Do you, X-COPY? We still don't know who your competition is.

No, I have no competition. I'm a scrub.

[UltraDavid]

Like I said, I've personally seen half a dozen people in this thread go up against and compete (at least) reasonably with the best players in the country, be it in Southern California at FFA or on the East Coast at tournies there.

It's like, why would you assume that none of these people have given SAIII its fair share of experimentation? When people join up and go, "I believe I have a new angle on Third Strike," I mean, I hardly even know how to respond. What, we haven't been playing this game for half a dozen years, or most of a decade even? We haven't, like, given the various things their various tries? Probably at some point within a decade of Street Fighter 3 coming out, if there were a good argument for using Stun Gun, someone would have said, Hey, I feel Alex SAIII might have some important uses, I'll start using at regularly. And this is an especially strong point for Japan, where the vast majority of Alex users use SAII in the vast majority of matchups.

And why, pray tell, is that? Oh, because it's even worse than Boomerang Raid. Alex SAII might not be loads better, but it's noticeably better, that's for sure.

[Dander]

the one stun gun set up that works really well is the air to air fierce, and I was the one that said.


despite what andrew thinks it really does work. Not dismissing your opinion andrew but it does. you definitely can't jab out of it, if you have good timing, it doesn't even have to be precise, the only one that would have no trouble getting out would be makoto, she can still just dash under it.

[Sanchez]

What about my challenge?:sad:

I played dedicated Stungun for a year and you know what I realized?

I'd rather have the EX.

VIDEO COMING SOONER!!

[X-COPY]

the one stun gun set up that works really well is the air to air fierce, and I was the one that said.

I knew that setup years ago...

[iwst99]

Said X-Copy to himself. No soon after his posting did X-Copy start to think. He knew he did not really care about Alex as much as he pretended to. X-Copy however was in touch with his emotions and knew what it was he wanted...no....needed. He needed a man, and not just any man, one that could be able to satisfy his appetite the way only one man he knew would. That man was 3s Alex. 3s Alex was everything X-Copy needed in a man, so he constantly filled the Alex boards with useless information in order to show how much he respected him and furthered his secret lust for him.

He knew once he found someone just like Alex, it would be the best day of his life...

his life...

his life...

life...

life...

*X-Copy wakes up in a cold sweat*

[RyanTheRobot]

against akuma there's some really random shit where you can bounce him off walls when he does some of his air attacks. this is definately not alex's best super and probably number 3 but i love fooling around with it and if you use good mind games you can land it i know because i've done it on just about every person i've played even though every one of them said "you're never gonna land that shit on me i'll just jab or dash".

Just mixup lowkick and middlekick ones off the blockstun and if they're not careful they'll end up dashing to you instead of under you. empty jump super is also really good. i think this super is easily on the same level as a Denjin Ryu.

[iwst99]

^^

*Tries to jab out of Denjin Setup*

*Fails Miserably*

Yea..definetly same level =\

[RyanTheRobot]

*Tries to jump out of Stungun Setup*

*Fails Miserably*

Yea..definately same level =]

[DarkZero]

*Tries to parry Stungun Setup*

*Fails Miserably*

Yea..definetly same level =p

[iwst99]

This thread rox.

[X-COPY]

This thread rox.

Only because of me.

Not you.

But me.

Street Fighter 3?

I'm filled with glee.

[pherai]

against akuma there's some really random shit where you can bounce him off walls when he does some of his air attacks

Uh, are you playing the same game? I've never been bounced off the wall except when getting hit by EX joudan or Q's EX dash punch/sa1. I must be misunderstanding you.

[RyanTheRobot]

it basically tosses akuma and if he hits a wall the timing is perfect for an unpunishable stungun. basically akuma resets and you catch him as he lands so he doesn't have time to do anything but parry and SGH can't be parried.

[X-COPY]

Explain what you're doing. Stungun can grab outta the air, like let's say elbow hits them as they're jumping away and they get grabbed for a 5 hit combo...but to bounce off the wall? Alex doesn't have any moves that create a bounce effect...

Like, I get what you mean, but you gotta give a concrete example. In the corner, you could prolly do something that involves his rh, elbow, or flashchop...I'll test some shit out now and see what i can come up with.

[Duralath]

the one stun gun set up that works really well is the air to air fierce, and I was the one that said.


despite what andrew thinks it really does work. Not dismissing your opinion andrew but it does. you definitely can't jab out of it, if you have good timing, it doesn't even have to be precise, the only one that would have no trouble getting out would be makoto, she can still just dash under it.

Air-to-air fierce, then, if you will. One setup. If that's the case, then I believe Oro gets a free dash under too. And wouldn't anything with the slightest hint of start-up invincibility beat it anyway?

I'm still with Sanchez on this one. I'd rather have the EX (and a stocked super, just in case).

RyanTheRobot: Assuming you're still speaking about Alex, what move bounces Gouki off of the wall with Alex? As I recall, none of his moves have any wall-bounce property.

And no, System Direction on console doesn't count. :P

As for Stun Gun being on Denjin's level? Pardon me while I go throw up the enchiladas I had earlier. WTF!?

[X-COPY]

air fierce is not the only setup, what the FUCK is with this theoretical shit? Buddy, Denjin, if taken at face value, is fucking TRASH. OH KNOEZ U CAN PARRY IT, I R L33T!!@!@!!! What actually happens in a match isn't even close to the text book shit spewed on threads like these. In the real world, ppl don't have 100% execution, they don't escape every SGH setup, they don't parry every Denjin setup, they don't always use SA2, they don't always hit links, they don't always combo the super, they don't always....etc etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

real world != theory fighter

[RyanTheRobot]

Explain what you're doing. Stungun can grab outta the air, like let's say elbow hits them as they're jumping away and they get grabbed for a 5 hit combo...but to bounce off the wall? Alex doesn't have any moves that create a bounce effect...

Like, I get what you mean, but you gotta give a concrete example. In the corner, you could prolly do something that involves his rh, elbow, or flashchop...I'll test some shit out now and see what i can come up with.

hmm maybe i just meant the out of the air and it happened to be against a wall. like i said i just play SGH Alex for fun.

[Sanchez]

air fierce is not the only setup, what the FUCK is with this theoretical shit? Buddy, Denjin, if taken at face value, is fucking TRASH. OH KNOEZ U CAN PARRY IT, I R L33T!!@!@!!! What actually happens in a match isn't even close to the text book shit spewed on threads like these. In the real world, ppl don't have 100% execution, they don't escape every SGH setup, they don't parry every Denjin setup, they don't always use SA2, they don't always hit links, they don't always combo the super, they don't always....etc etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

real world != theory fighter

What I'm getting here is that you don't like maximizing your chances of winning. You're picking Stungun for the off chance that your opponent fucks up.

I should just play Total Destruction Q and hope someone tries to parry the DANGER! GRAB. Stungun is similar to Total Destruction in the sense that it's a gimmick super. And a fun gimmick super at that. But that's it.

There's too many ways out outside of the individual setups. It has about two guaranteed combos(MP/HP Flash and Anti-air Slash Elbow into SGH). Both of which are fairly uncommon. Not to mention the fact that sometimes characters fly off in random fucking distances when hit by Slash making SGH whiff. This makes it so AA Slash Elbow xx SGH is only plausible in the corner. Like it wasn't bad enough already.

My challenge stands despite your dancing around.

PS-Makoto can dash out of EVERY fucking setup.

[Dander]

What I'm getting here is that you don't like maximizing your chances of winning. You're picking Stungun for the off chance that your opponent fucks up.

I should just play Total Destruction Q and hope someone tries to parry the DANGER! GRAB. Stungun is similar to Total Destruction in the sense that it's a gimmick super. And a fun gimmick super at that. But that's it.

There's too many ways out outside of the individual setups. It has about two guaranteed combos(MP/HP Flash and Anti-air Slash Elbow into SGH). Both of which are fairly uncommon. Not to mention the fact that sometimes characters fly off in random fucking distances when hit by Slash making SGH whiff. This makes it so AA Slash Elbow xx SGH is only plausible in the corner. Like it wasn't bad enough already.

My challenge stands despite your dancing around.

PS-Makoto can dash out of EVERY fucking setup.

I like to use dudley. He's a fun character.


btw. i did supah!

[Duralath]

air fierce is not the only setup, what the FUCK is with this theoretical shit? Buddy, Denjin, if taken at face value, is fucking TRASH. OH KNOEZ U CAN PARRY IT, I R L33T!!@!@!!! What actually happens in a match isn't even close to the text book shit spewed on threads like these. In the real world, ppl don't have 100% execution, they don't escape every SGH setup, they don't parry every Denjin setup, they don't always use SA2, they don't always hit links, they don't always combo the super, they don't always....etc etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

real world != theory fighter

Way to call the kettle black, pot. I believe you're the one playing theory fighter here with your advocating all this SGH usage. Again, you're basing your strategy on the hopes that your opponent will just fuck up. Play at high level with that mentality and see where you go with that.

[Mackinzie]

Way to call the kettle black, pot. I believe you're the one playing theory fighter here with your advocating all this SGH usage. Again, you're basing your strategy on the hopes that your opponent will just fuck up. Play at high level with that mentality and see where you go with that.

people do fuck up thats the thing and even if they don't the recover isn't that shitty it's a small bar and i don't think anyone advocated the usage for anything more than dickin' around. and besides i bet you that you will/have fall(en) victim to SGH at least once in a casual play match.

so basically SGH is the optimists version of the phrase "shit happens" lol

[Dander]

people do fuck up thats the thing and even if they don't the recover isn't that shitty it's a small bar and i don't think anyone advocated the usage for anything more than dickin' around. and besides i bet you that you will/have fall(en) victim to SGH at least once in a casual play match.

so basically SGH is the optimists version of the phrase "shit happens" lol

Maybe in 1999.

But anyone, considering you're not a total fucking idiot that plays at cerritos college, only needs to fall victim to it maybe twice or thrice to catch on. Hell, if I'm playing and I see someone caught by SGH whether it was mine or not, I give them the low down on how to get out of it. I'm not a dick, nor do I promote idiocy. I want every ones shit to develop, so that mine can continue to do so.

Sanchez is the same way.

Cept he sleeps with men, and i don't. I sleep with boys.

[Mihai]

Shit DOES happen, and that's why SGH is good. It has so many setups, that you will get hit by it eventually, not to mention the fact that despite theory, a lot of pros will get hit by SGH cause their jab will not come out (they'll try to do it while still in block stun, and screw up the timing JUST enough to get grabbed), or their uppercut will come out as a fireball, or whatever.

[Sanchez]

What I'm getting here is that you don't like maximizing your chances of winning. You're picking Stungun for the off chance that your opponent fucks up.

Drug free is the way to be.

[Mackinzie]

Shit DOES happen, and that's why SGH is good. It has so many setups, that you will get hit by it eventually, not to mention the fact that despite theory, a lot of pros will get hit by SGH cause their jab will not come out (they'll try to do it while still in block stun, and screw up the timing JUST enough to get grabbed), or their uppercut will come out as a fireball, or whatever.

like that one time when umehara was trying to do a dragon punch and a fireball came out that was classic.

x.x;

[Duralath]

Again, you're waiting for something to happen. Something that's not likely to happen. You're more likely to land ten of Alex's standard B&B combo before you'll ever land an SGH.

Shit happening doesn't make SGH good. Semi-useful, perhaps. But good? There are TOO MANY WAYS to escape it. I wouldn't argue against almost a decade of information on this stuff, anyway.

[pherai]

Shit DOES happen, and that's why SGH is good. It has so many setups, that you will get hit by it eventually, not to mention the fact that despite theory, a lot of pros will get hit by SGH cause their jab will not come out (they'll try to do it while still in block stun, and screw up the timing JUST enough to get grabbed), or their uppercut will come out as a fireball, or whatever.

Key word there, eventually. No super is good if you are counting on it hitting once out of every 10 times you do it. Also, how many pros have you seen get hit by SGH? You saying they will get hit is not in spite of theory, that IS theory, because it never happens. ANY super will hit if you do it enough times.

[Dander]

Key word there, eventually. No super is good if you are counting on it hitting once out of every 10 times you do it. Also, how many pros have you seen get hit by SGH? You saying they will get hit is not in spite of theory, that IS theory, because it never happens. ANY super will hit if you do it enough times.

jump back fireball wake up spinning kick

[pherai]

jump back fireball wake up spinning kick

Haha those are pro tactics.

[iwst99]

Haha those are pro tactics.

In Bed.

[Mihai]

Stungun is cheap, I'm gonna make a vid sometime to show that while it's not great, it's pretty good.

[LakeEarth]

There's just so many reliable ways to get out of it, even if your opponent doesn't have an SRK move. Sure when I started I kept trying to jump out of it but once you know you rarely get hit by it. And rarely is never good enough in this game.

[Duralath]

On another note, in tournament play, based on this inferred notion that you're going to land SGH maybe, oh, once every ten times or so, looking at how many of your options you've cut off (if you burn EX, something Alex needs to do, you lose your super, which is kinda what you're revolving your gameplan around, and you're restricted to using bullshit confirms off of random guesses), you're really not going to get many opportunities to land SGH.

[Dander]

alls I know is that bitches have pussies and I like to fuck em

I'm sure Alex, does too.


He uses HIS stun "gun" on her.