Why do people hate Gill?

[Eduardo24]

I don´t understand why Gill is famous for being a hard boss. I am a total 3rd Strike noob and I can beat that guy on my second try, even on my first try sometimes.

The resurrection thing replenishes his health in full, if you let him....because you can just him or something and it will stop. Seriously, he is not that different from others bosses in fighters.

[woof]

well hes like red and blue and shit

[ArcadeFire]

RESURRECTION!!!!

Yeah...

[Tat guy]

I don´t understand why Gill is famous for being a hard boss. I am a total 3rd Strike noob and I can beat that guy on my second try, even on my first try sometimes.

The resurrection thing replenishes his health in full, if you let him....because you can just him or something and it will stop. Seriously, he is not that different from others bosses in fighters.

He's tough,but he ain't no Shen Long.

[Troyboy's Back!]

OMG Gill is SO hard....Unbeatable!

And you can hit him out of Resurrection?

OMGWTFBBQ!

His Thong is to PowaFul!

[1/2Man1/2God]

I hate him for not only beating the shit outta me but wearing a thong while he's doing it!

[Gasp]

well hes like red and blue and shit

hahaha best post ever

[SwmmrManShen]

men with thongs are only cool if they are ridiculously fat (i.e. sumo)

[Soundatron]

many reasons

the red/blue thing with blonde hair and in a thong wow gay
Seraphic Wing, mega chip and impossible to parry
this whole "I am your god thing" is just um overdoing it and stupid
Ressurection with its push out effect
dumb juggles
and overall he's a gay char. design overall

[Rhythm1c]

You play on the easiest difficultly level don't you?

[axeman61]

Play it on the hardest difficulty. When you finally kick Gill's ass only to see him rise up again, always regaining at least a chip of his health no matter what you do, then realize you're getting beat by a blue/red dude in a thong, maybe you'll understand.
He's a lame-looking, overpowered boss with the ability to resurrect himself. Hate's on tap for something like that.

[4neqs]

Because he can't receive gifts worth crap:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2396/tope104oz.jpg

[Eckostyle]

cause the nigga CHEAP AS HELL

[shatterstar]

cause the nigga CHEAP AS HELL
red and blue dont = nigga....wait wesley snipes....keep it goin'. :wink: :rofl:

[altergenesis]

KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER!

I mean, come on, who takes that from a guy in a thong. That's more than enough reason to hate Gill.

[Ketsuban]

I personally like Gill as I think his character design and personality is pretty cool. I guess people hate him because he can be a very frustrating boss to fight against (automatic resurrection, massive stun damage and that insanely damaging seraphic wing).


Also, people picking him on XBox Live certainly annoys people and makes them dislike him (him being a playable character on there is stupid anyway).

[m121akuma]

Because he can't receive gifts worth crap:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2396/tope104oz.jpg

A winner is you.

[Dark Geese]

Bottom line..I think Gill is a pretty cool boss IMO. Remember the main reason he was made was to show off the CPSIII's power by making him glow red and blue.

Since he is like Christ Incarnate by storyline the Blue Represents Good, the Red represents Bad, and he is like the Judger of Good and Bad. I mean come on remember his level in SFIII NG? "Judgment Day?"

He is like practically in a Biblical Robe reading a "Bible" in the Mediterranean Sea which is practically fire, straight Biblical references to The "Sea of Flames and Sulphur."

One person told me if you hate Gill you "hate Jesus." :lol:

As far as difficulty is concerned puh lease not even a scratch.

Sorry but when you grew up on SNK playing people like Igniz and many others that SNK has Gill is like barely even close to the AI of many of these characters.

I personally think a Gill-Orochi alliance would be great though we wont see that in our lifetime :sad:

Merge ala CVS2 and you got...Orochill???????????? :wonder: :confused: :smokin:

[renvi]

bad character design, that's all.

[F.Y.C.N.]

Bottom line..I think Gill is a pretty cool boss IMO. Remember the main reason he was made was to show off the CPSIII's power by making him glow red and blue.

Since he is like Christ Incarnate by storyline the Blue Represents Good, the Red represents Bad, and he is like the Judger of Good and Bad. I mean come on remember his level in SFIII NG? "Judgment Day?"

He is like practically in a Biblical Robe reading a "Bible" in the Mediterranean Sea which is practically fire, straight Biblical references to The "Sea of Flames and Sulphur."

One person told me if you hate Gill you "hate Jesus." :lol:

As far as difficulty is concerned puh lease not even a scratch.

Sorry but when you grew up on SNK playing people like Igniz and many others that SNK has Gill is like barely even close to the AI of many of these characters.

I personally think a Gill-Orochi alliance would be great though we wont see that in our lifetime :sad:


Merge ala CVS2 and you got...Orochill???????????? :wonder: :confused: :smokin:

gill didnt start glowing till 3rd strike... judgement day was introduced in second impact...

i agree with the SNK boss thing tho... fuckin KOF bosses are too cheap... :annoy:

the whole AI thing is kinda wacky tho, i wouldnt go as far to even call it that... the boss chars in SNK games input read dirty style and their moves are on par with most R-type bosses... no hate for KOF tho im just saying the bosses are kinda retarded themselves... omega rugal!!! motherfuck that guy... i think the only boss in KOF history i felt was "fair" was krizald if i spelled that correctly...

[Overworld]

I don't really dislike Gill, he's not that hard, because his AI isn't all too good. (He'll like walk into aegis, eat denjin, etc) and resurrection, while cheap in theory, tends to put him into situations where you can both stop the health regain, and take a good chunk back out of his life.

As far as cool factor, the design is kinda...uninspired in my mind. It's not bad by any stretch, but making a large blond Michaelangelo statue style is not so intimidating.

[Dark Geese]

No wonder they aint making SF4...think about it guys I just laid out all those Biblical references, if he is Jesus then how do you top that??? Whats next is Capcom gonna make GOD as a boss for SF4??? :confused:

Yeah he didnt glow till 3s but what I meant was about him being red and blue Capcom did that to show off the CPS3's power.

But seriously though check NG the Last Level is the Mediterranean Sea and in the music tracks its titled Judgment Day.

[True Grave]

You play on the easiest difficultly level don't you?

I'm thinking that too! :lol:

He owned gill on the easiest difficulty and then came here to tell us about it...:looney:

Guile: "I'm impressed...ok, not really"

[Demon Dash]

Because he's Gill, why else?

[True Grave]

KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER!

I mean, come on, who takes that from a guy in a thong. That's more than enough reason to hate Gill.

Especially after he throughly kicks your ass. Sometimes I won't even bother fighting gill, and just reset the game when he comes up.

Because he's Gill, why else?

Gill is probably the only Snk-type boss in a Capcom game. He should have been in MvC2, his crazy cheapness would have fit right in there.

Unless Capcom pulled a "thanos", toning down the once mighty Gill to glorified low-tier status.

[Mixah]

Gill, i thought, was easy... just frustrating, THANK you resurrection and that fucking explosion shit every time you jump... but parry + good blocking are your friends...

as True Grave said... he's very SNK in style, since he's so fucking cheesy like that...

But seriously, the people that complain about him, are the same ones that typically suck at fighitng the second form of abyss in marvel without cable or storm.... OMG I CANT TRI JUMP NOESZ!!!

[SuicidalGrandpa]

I've only beaten Gill once...with Ibuki. And I dont even USE Ibuki.

[Ki Shima]

OMG Gill is SO hard....Unbeatable!

And you can hit him out of Resurrection?

OMGWTFBBQ!

His Thong is to PowaFul!

that made me fall off the bed :rofl:

[Mixah]

I've only beaten Gill once...with Ibuki. And I dont even USE Ibuki.

seriously...
chun li...

d.hk, spinning bird kick... occasionally c.mk xx sa2, and gill literally never comes out of block stun. chun vs. gill = super uber easy... only hard time i had was with twelve... i had no idea how to deal damage to him.. lol... nor to anybody else for that matter, but resurrection proved to be a needle in my dick.

[SuicidalGrandpa]

seriously...
chun li...

d.hk, spinning bird kick... occasionally c.mk xx sa2, and gill literally never comes out of block stun. chun vs. gill = super uber easy... only hard time i had was with twelve... i had no idea how to deal damage to him.. lol... nor to anybody else for that matter, but resurrection proved to be a needle in my dick.

Fuck Chun Li lol. I use Dudley, and I can't really touch him :(

[A_Rival]

Gill's fresh. One of the only bosses worth playing in a fighting game.

-A_Rival

[Rhythm1c]

Oh and one more thing.


Being able to hit him out of ressurection.


I play on the dreamcast version so maybe it works a bit differently. But that is actually hard as hell since it PUSHES YOU AWAY from him :/

I've managed to do it a few times and only after he has got back quite a bit of health back.

[Troyboy's Back!]

that made me fall off the bed :rofl:

:encore: :encore:

[felineki]

Seraphic Wing, mega chip and impossible to parryl
I saw a video that had a still frame of Seraphic Wing being parried. I suspect that it's shopped, but the rest of the stuff in the video was legit, so...

[Soundatron]

Because he's Gill, why else?

that too

[Lantis]

well hes like red and blue and shit

Fuck red and blue. Gill's 2P color (in the console versions) owns that shit.

CHOCOLATE AND VANILLA FTMFW! :tup:

[Alax.cool.]

because he's fucking evil.

and i'm going to agree with woof on this one. he's red and blue and shit..

[Mixah]

Fuck Chun Li lol. I use Dudley, and I can't really touch him :(

that's cuz he's racist.

[E-bortion]

The philosophical approach of "righting the wrongs of humanity," in an anti-hero fashion, juxtaposition to Alex - a terrible main character to begin with - made little sense in a fighting game. The character's (dis)position may have served better in a game that required a deeper storyline. Also, his overall design is terrible, lackluster, and unoriginal. He looks like a faggot Geegus (no offense to homosexuals who should in fact be insulted by being compared to Gill.) Not to mention, the side-dependent actions are pretty gay.

*edit*

Yeah, and he's red and blue and shit.

[Retekin]

I thought he was cool. To the bets of my knowledge, he remains the only asymmetrical guy in a fighter to have different sprite sets for when he's on the left or the right.

[Daidoji Kage]

Because he has a hard time eating icecream.

[Obliterate]

I was watching a History channel special on secret societies, and it said that the Illuminati is part of a triad of societies one of them is associated with the Skull and Bones. One of its members is George W. Bush, which means Gills a repulician, and I'm a flaming liberial.

Fuck you Limbaugh!

[kesh!]

yah, my ken/chun/ryu can destroy him second/third try...but my dudz/makoto/yun can t take him down

[Worthless]

I saw a video that had a still frame of Seraphic Wing being parried. I suspect that it's shopped, but the rest of the stuff in the video was legit, so...

yeah,seraphic wing can be red parried iirc but the initial rainbow wave can't be parried

[Jida]

Play it on the hardest difficulty. When you finally kick Gill's ass only to see him rise up again, always regaining at least a chip of his health no matter what you do, then realize you're getting beat by a blue/red dude in a thong, maybe you'll understand.
He's a lame-looking, overpowered boss with the ability to resurrect himself. Hate's on tap for something like that.

Gill can actually be quite easy even on 8 stars. All you really need to know is his patterns and you'll soon find yourself hoping he'll do resurrection just for a challenge. He's stupid predictable and it's not even funny. With timing, Seraphic Wing is stoppable, Resurrection is stopabble and he usually does the Meteor Shower only when he's close to you, making it stoppable via kara throw or random poke. If you know what to do you can easily rape Gill with Sean.

[Hol Horse]

yeah,seraphic wing can be red parried iirc but the initial rainbow wave can't be parried


I demand proof

[Worthless]

I demand proof

i've never done it but the info was in the anniversary collection book.....I'd like to see it myself

[Sanchez]

Can't be parried.

As for the still frame-It's possible for Gill to do Pyrokinesis and cancel it into Sepharic Wing. With timing it can look as if you're parrying the RAINBOW JESUS LIGHTSHOW and not the fireball.

Gill is badass for having the best taunt in the game.

[Worthless]

just read the guide ection....says you can't parry it.

having crazy hallucinations @_@

[Middlekick]

N
Yeah he didnt glow till 3s but what I meant was about him being red and blue Capcom did that to show off the CPS3's power.

[/B]

And how exactly did they achieve that?

[Dark Geese]

Lol technically in their POV that was their way of showing off the CPS3 having him look different based on what side he was facing and his moves being based on that etc.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

And how exactly did they achieve that?

because his sprite doesn't simply 'flip' like it does in other games. Red and Blue stays on the correct side whether he is P1 or P2

[Middlekick]

Do you work for Capcom, Geese? I'm interested to know how you've acquired Capcom's point of view.

And, do you really think that that feature of Gill's really serves to demonstrate CPS3's alleged power? I guess what I'm really getting at is, couldn't such a feature be easily created with CPS2?

[EveryFlowerFlow]

And, do you really think that that feature of Gill's really serves to demonstrate CPS3's alleged power? I guess what I'm really getting at is, couldn't such a feature be easily created with CPS2?

Originally, his two elements
were meant to be light and darkness, but Capcom changed that because they
figured that red and blue (fire and ice) would be better for showing off
the Street Fighter 3 graphics engine.


and no, it couldn't be done on CPS2.

[Middlekick]

Can I have the source of your quote please, R o c k L e e?

[Dark Geese]

Oh no MiddleKick I don't work for Capcom believe me, if there is a company I would much rather work for its SNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :china:


I actually liked the Mediterranean Sea level and was thinking that Gill was Jesus in SF3 NG so I did a helluva lot of research into it and with people that I know that know people etc and this is the stuff I came up with. Jesus Incarnate was just really a boss that was made to show off the CPS3's power.

And yes in the early days they said Gill would've fit better in a Darkstalkers game than SF3 lol.

[CptMunta]

I think Gill's design rocks. The whole walking up to challenge him intro is powerrad. His third strike voice owns and his supers are crazy cheap.

Though the thought of someone melting their clothes off before kicking my ass is a bit suspect.

[Master Chibi]

Gill is my homeboy.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

Can I have the source of your quote please, R o c k L e e?

Tiamat's plot guide on gfaqs (you can't direct link =/)

[specs]

I find Gill really fuckin' hard, like CotA Magneto hard.

Pressure Gill and he'll counter you to death.
Turtle and he'll pressure you and grab you.

He hits hard, takes little damage, has a huge stun meter, and seems to KNOW when you're trying to bait him to do a super so you can off him w/o resurrection messing shit up.

Resurrection pushes you away and always guarantees Gill at least a little life, or a whole bar if you fuck up? GTFO of here with that shit. If I ever miss hitting him out of Resurrection I might as well kiss my ass goodbye, since I've already taken a ton of damage just depleting his FIRST fucking bar.

... Seraphic Wing is unparryable. Thanks, Capcom. :sad:

NINJA EDIT -

From a design standpoint, Gill is a really cool character. Check out Yun's 3S ending; Gill straddles the line between savior and monster quite nicely. Visually, ignoring the fact that he's pretty much naked, he looks really freakin' sweet.

[Tiberious]

Ok, here's the real skinny on Gill:

Yes, he's there to show off the CPS3 hardware, but the proper side-switching is NOT a completely new spriteset.

It's done, and actually this routine was implemented BECAUSE of Gill, by loading in TWO palette sets for each character, based on their side.

If you'll look, though, the after-image in the High Jump is not affected, and on one side, you'll actually see the colors reversed (best in NG/2I on the Dreamcast).

And to be honest, I kinda like Gill. Freaked me the fuck out when I first saw 'im in NG, but...

And yes, I'd really like to see, in a third CvS installment, Orochi (and their 'Kings') and Gill square off: One wants to save humanity, the other to destroy it. Could make for some good SvC-style conversations...

[shatterstar]

Gill is my life partner.
fixed.

[Mackinzie]

honostly i can't beat gill UNLESS he resurects idkwhy.

[Vynce]

My matches with Gill are usually pretty one-sided. I usually get owned, or dominate the whole match. I thought the character design was all right, but I'd have given him trunks or something in lieu of the bikini briefs. That's largely because I adhere to the one-bikini-brief-wearer-per-game rule.

[terracotta]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u42Ven1vaGU)

[Christ0pher]

Stupid POPTART 'Jesus'!

[Master Chibi]

fixed.

:sad:

[final_cut]

Maybe people hate the whole 'mulatto' thing. we gots some heavy racists on SRK.

[Jida]

Maybe people hate the whole 'mulatto' thing.

I remeber hearing that the word was derived from the word "Mule" (the sterile result of horse/donkey interbreeding). Guess which race got to be the donkey?

Maybe this'll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70Ge36Akq8&mode=user&search=) help on the Gill thing.

[xero15]

its because hes both crip and blood and we know you cant be both :annoy: plus he wearin a thong while doin it

[final_cut]

I remeber hearing that the word was derived from the word "Mule" (the sterile result of horse/donkey interbreeding). Guess which race got to be the donkey?

Maybe this'll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70Ge36Akq8&mode=user&search=) help on the Gill thing.

I dunno, I just remember a million different explainations of what that word meant, and all of them were hella offensive. Even on wikipedia.

[_Exiled_]

And yes, I'd really like to see, in a third CvS installment, Orochi (and their 'Kings') and Gill square off: One wants to save humanity, the other to destroy it. Could make for some good SvC-style conversations...

That would be fucking sweet!:lovin:

[Son Them All]

seriously...
chun li...

d.hk, spinning bird kick... occasionally c.mk xx sa2, and gill literally never comes out of block stun. chun vs. gill = super uber easy... only hard time i had was with twelve... i had no idea how to deal damage to him.. lol... nor to anybody else for that matter, but resurrection proved to be a needle in my dick.

Twelve + XCOPY = Easiest way to beat Gill IN THE GAME.

[R | C]

Gill sucks because he lacks character design.
Dictator was a much more stylish boss than Gill will ever be !

Here's what I think happened:

Capcom Designer # 1: Hey guys, after several years of raking in the money from the SFII series, we're finally making the highly anticipated SFIII now, what do you guys think we should have as the final boss?

Capcom Designer # 2: Let's have someone cool !

Capcom Design Team: (all shouting and getting hyped) Hells Yeah Bitches !! *dishes out Asahi Beers*

Capcom Designer # 1: How about some guy in a thong !

Capcom Design Team: (still shouting and cheering) YEAHHHHH !!!! *drinks to that*

Capcom Designer # 2: Let's make him half red and half blue !

Capcom Designer # 3: Oh ! and wavy hair !

Capcom Manager: You guys are BEASTLY !! I approve ! *gets drunk*


... yeah , something like that.

[m121akuma]

Snip
I doubt the meeting for Bison was much better.

"Shit, the deadline's comin' up and we don't have a boss? What do we do?"

"Why don't we just make the boss Chairman Mao? He was a pretty nasty guy."

"BRILLIANT!"

[Dark Geese]

Or lets make the Boss Bison a Cheap Nazi Hitler imiation lol.

[Riot.EXE]

As far as difficulty is concerned puh lease not even a scratch.

Sorry but when you grew up on SNK playing people like Igniz and many others that SNK has Gill is like barely even close to the AI of many of these characters.



TRUTH!

[mags]

Uh, have you ever been angel wing supered? That will make you hate fighting gill...

[Wellman]

The philosophical approach of "righting the wrongs of humanity," in an anti-hero fashion, juxtaposition to Alex - a terrible main character to begin with - made little sense in a fighting game. The character's (dis)position may have served better in a game that required a deeper storyline. Also, his overall design is terrible, lackluster, and unoriginal. He looks like a faggot Geegus (no offense to homosexuals who should in fact be insulted by being compared to Gill.) Not to mention, the side-dependent actions are pretty gay.

*edit*

Yeah, and he's red and blue and shit.

Alex isn't bad for a main character, he is different from the usual stock and his only flaw is that he doesn't have a strong enough personality and a reused storyline based around an American looking for revenge.

The Geegus comparison is almost spot on, since he was the original fighting 'Jesus' knock off. Sure he looks nothing like Jesus, but he looks a lot like Silver Surfer, who has been shown as a Christ figure before.


Also Gill kicks ass or at least my own.

[Grits'N'Gravy]

I dunno, but when I finally got around to unlocking Gill last night (I haven't got a stick, and playing on controller=joke for me) I played him through the game and it was hella fucking fun! Sometimes in an SNK game I just enjoy taking the boss and raping, never in a SF game could I do that before. (CVS2 secret bosses were crippled lifewise, Gill is just stupidity) He's like Minion in Twisted Metal. Makes things way too easy, but a complete guilty pleasure. 4 hit stun combos are ridiculous.

Anyway I hate Gill as a character, but sometimes all it does is make you want to beat him... that's the point of a boss, to fucking frustrate the shit out of you. Beating SMB3 was a huge disappointment, Bowser is way too fucking easy. When I beat Gill it's like "Holy shit, finally."

[two2tone]

capcom musta been on crack when they designed gill and urien... they were probably close to their deadline and just finally said... "fuck it... we give him some clean diapers and shit!"

[Jida]

Uh, have you ever been angel wing supered? That will make you hate fighting gill...

Yeah, if you're a complete idiot. Kicking him out of it is just as easy as getting hit by it.

[Hyperblade]

I have to admit, after reading this thread...some of you have really ridiculous opinions, lol.

I don't see why Gill and Urien are disliked, they are based off of reference, and the artists did their research...and executed everything very well. I think their designs are great.

And the art, itself, in my opinion is reason enough to buy a Street Fighter game.

[Lebowsk1]

Plus when people* say Capcom are mysoginist for making all their women only half-dressed, you can cite Urien as the most naked character ever.

But seriously the art is stunning and I think rivals the statue of David as a work of art. Put a pair of diapers on tsoD and there's your Urien.



(and when I say "people", I mean feminists)

[Hyperblade]

Plus when people* say Capcom are mysoginist for making all their women only half-dressed, you can cite Urien as the most naked character ever.

But seriously the art is stunning and I think rivals the statue of David as a work of art. Put a pair of diapers on tsoD and there's your Urien.



(and when I say "people", I mean feminists)


Youre right, actually. Considering Urien's heritage, he is to look like the statues. David is an example. You really could draw reference from ANY work by Michelangelo...look at the drawings. Good point sir.

And yeah, for the people who said Gill was showing off graphics power, its true. That was a point, and his existance makes total sense to me. Somebody mentioned "Judgment Day" the song, early in the thread. He's right.

I mean, Capcom could do worse, do you know how many artless, unappealing, video game characters there are? Even of you hate Gill or Urien, there is DEFINITELY WORSE out there.

[felineki]

Plus when people* say Capcom are mysoginist for making all their women only half-dressed, you can cite Urien as the most naked character ever.Aren't you forgetting Twelve?

[Ki Shima]

when i first played against him it felt like fighting a marvel reject.


i just dont like him :cry: i want akuma to raging demon him, then true bison raging demon akuma.

bison is the best villian in fighting game history, he was only half powered and owning fools, and if the anime is canon: he was half powered and STILL had to power down to own fools fairly.

they did their research but akuma's a pussy, he sneaked up on half powered, powered down, thin and old looking for a new body bison.

[Lebowsk1]

Aren't you forgetting Twelve?

Yeah, you may have a point there, but he's not human. In fact, he doesnt really seem to have a gender... although he's more male than female. So the anti-feminist point would still stand.

[Mixah]

Sagat, Adon, Urien... all mostly naked.

DeeJay, Guile, Balrog, Vega... all showing off their muscles... how is capcom making their women skanky, but it doesn't apply to the men?

[Lebowsk1]

Sagat, Adon, Urien... all mostly naked.
What?

Adon and Sagat have fairly baggy Muay Thai style shorts on. Big difference between that and Urien.

Strange definition of "mostly naked"....

EDIT: oh and btw, "no-homo".

[Mixah]

mostly naked = 1 article of clothing.

[Lantis]

What?

Adon and Sagat have fairly baggy Muay Thai style shorts on. Big difference between that and Urien.

Strange definition of "mostly naked"....

EDIT: oh and btw, "no-homo".

Yeah, he forgot Honda....

OMFG PHAT MAN WEARING SKIRTZ!!!1!!! :wow:

[Humbag]

Yeah, if you're a complete idiot. Kicking him out of it is just as easy as getting hit by it.

I thought he is completely invunerable during the entire period its out. Yeah im pretty sure he is.:rolleyes:

[Obliterate]

I don't have a problem with the characters design, I have a problem with them replacing stock characters that are franchise type characters with new characters that are basically the same move set as the old characters or kind of unispired. I mean think about it, Necro is basically a combo of Dhalsim/Blanka, Remy = an emo Guile, Yun/Yang = Gen, Dudley = Balrog with a Shoto Uppercut, etc. I could understand that most of the characters from Alpha and 2 would not come back, but damn. I mean those were my complaints when SF3 came out, but after awhile I enjoyed it. Could they have done better? Probably, but as long as they keep Ryu in it or some itteration there of (IE Ryu's son or something), which to me is the main character I'll keep playing it (Alex can fuck himself, no offense, he's one of my top five favorites in that game but I don't buy the main character thing).

[Lebowsk1]

mostly naked = 1 article of clothing.

Bullshit.

You wear a full-body tracksuit, you are not "mostly naked". If you are wearing a pair of trousers you are not "mostly naked". You are not even mostly naked if you're wearing a decent pair of shorts or swim suit.

You ARE mostly naked if you're wearing a diaper/thong that barely covers your genitalia. Look at Urien's codpiece again and be serious: one crouching jab and he'd be arrested for indecent exposure.

[Lantis]

I don't have a problem with the characters design, I have a problem with them replacing stock characters that are franchise type characters with new characters that are basically the same move set as the old characters or kind of unispired. I mean think about it, Necro is basically a combo of Dhalsim/Blanka, Remy = an emo Guile, Yun/Yang = Gen, Dudley = Balrog with a Shoto Uppercut, etc. I could understand that most of the characters from Alpha and 2 would not come back, but damn. I mean those were my complaints when SF3 came out, but after awhile I enjoyed it. Could they have done better? Probably, but as long as they keep Ryu in it or some itteration there of (IE Ryu's son or something), which to me is the main character I'll keep playing it (Alex can fuck himself, no offense, he's one of my top five favorites in that game but I don't buy the main character thing).

HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!! :rofl:

....shut up. :mad:

[MESOPOTAMIA]

:confused:

[Capn Spanky]

White people hate Gill because he makes M.Bison look like Malcolm X.

[Jida]

I thought he is completely invunerable during the entire period its out. Yeah im pretty sure he is.:rolleyes:

I was talking about during startup, Einstein.

[evilmuffinmanX]

its because hes both crip and blood and we know you cant be both :annoy: plus he wearin a thong while doin it

also cuz Gill knows who shot 2pac and biggie...

[1/2Man1/2God]

Or lets make the Boss Bison a Cheap Nazi Hitler imiation lol.

hey y not?

[Tiberious]

The other thing to keep in mind is that Capcom never bothered to tone the player-controlled Gill down, so when you pop your cursor off the screen like that, your opponent knows what they're in for: an overpowered character with brains behind him, instead of simple patterns.

Had they gone in and actually BALANCED Gill for player use (like they tried to do for Gouki in ST [yes,I prefer that name, even when I insist 'Dic' is Bison]), I doubt there'd be so much outrage over people selecting him. He'd be just another fighter in the cast.


-----WISHFUL THINKING SECTION-----

If I were to have the say in how he'd be toned down, I'd go as follows:


-For starters, since he's got 3 Super Arts now, I'd have you pick one (all 3 use same single-stock bar as CPU):

--SA1: Resurrection (no command) (Less push-away, vulnerable immediately and slower regeneration, but allows regaining meter that round)

--SA2: Meteor Strike (:qcf::qcf::p:) (Fewer Kinesises)

--SA3: Seraphic Wing (:qcf::qcf::p:) (Parryable now; lower damage)


-Pyro/Cryokinesis only one hit
--EX version available; acts like CPU's kinesis attacks

-Cyber Lariat has shorter range depending on Punch used. Hits only on one of the two points, but never both (Both must be parried, however).
--EX: Again, the CPU's version.

-Moonsault Knee Drop comes out like the CPU's, but again, only hits once. Only one parry needed to defeat.
--EX: Copies Urien's EX VKD.

Normal moves:

-NO CHIP DAMAGE FOR A SINGLE BUTTON PRESS (am I the only one annoyed you can score a C just by hitting Fierce or Roundhouse?)


Hopefully the next time we get an SF3 port (SF3 collection, anyone?), something like this could happen, and he wouldn't be as hated...

The ideas for nerfing everyone's favorite cheap-ass might not be exactly original, or even great, but I never saw anyone else throwing thoughts out there, so I had to give it a shot. Who knows, maybe someone might actually use these or improve upon 'em somehow.

Just my 2¢, people :3

[Ketsuban]

The other thing to keep in mind is that Capcom never bothered to tone the player-controlled Gill down, so when you pop your cursor off the screen like that, your opponent knows what they're in for: an overpowered character with brains behind him, instead of simple patterns.

Had they gone in and actually BALANCED Gill for player use (like they tried to do for Gouki in ST [yes,I prefer that name, even when I insist 'Dic' is Bison]), I doubt there'd be so much outrage over people selecting him. He'd be just another fighter in the cast.




Wasn't the idea behind Urien is that he is a toned-down playable version of Gill? Gill is really just a more damaging command-motion version of Urien (with those crazy supers).

[Tiberious]

Wasn't the idea behind Urien is that he is a toned-down playable version of Gill? Gill is really just a more damaging command-motion version of Urien (with those crazy supers).


That's just... failure.

That's like saying Ken's just another version of Ryu, even in ST or III. Give some thought to what you just said there, and what my substituted statement says, and see if you can't figure out where you went wrong.

[Jida]

That's just... failure.

That's like saying Ken's just another version of Ryu, even in ST or III. Give some thought to what you just said there, and what my substituted statement says, and see if you can't figure out where you went wrong.

Ken and Ryu came out at the exact same time.

No.


NO.

[Ketsuban]

That's just... failure.

That's like saying Ken's just another version of Ryu, even in ST or III. Give some thought to what you just said there, and what my substituted statement says, and see if you can't figure out where you went wrong.


What an absurd and silly thing to say. All I meant was that I read somewhere that the idea behind Urien when was introduced in 2nd Impact was that he was sort of a toned-down playable Gill (Gill remember is not selectable in the arcades).

[Wellman]

^
In a way your right, but only in the sense that Urien is based off of Gill's sprite and move style. But they made Urien distinctive enough that it wouldn't be as apparent as your standard Ryu/Akuma distinction.