The 7th Inning Stretch a.k.a. MLB 2k7 Season thread (Fantasy baseball included) [Archive]

02-28-2007, 01:27 PM

DaFlipMastaXV

02-28-2007, 01:29 PM

Yankees better hope for the wildcard.

Fantasy Drafting today, looking for the next Alex Rios.

spideyman

02-28-2007, 01:56 PM

Tigers look good. Go Brewers. Is the fantasy league all filled up already? If not can i get in?

Carpet Lint

02-28-2007, 02:22 PM

Thread crossover...

That's because the World Series was pretty much a snooze-fest. No one really cared if the Yankees won or lost that series. Beating Boston was the key objective.
That just sickens me, that beating a rival and not getting a championship is the key objective of a playoff campaign. That's why I hate both of your cities - like I couldn't care less if we beat New York, Boston, Detroit, or even the Rays...as long as we win.

Damn Yankees. Ruining the economic landscape of baseball by paying losers like Pavano something like $11 million a year to sit on his ass...and going out and buying the division anyway.

Fantasy Drafting today, looking for the next Alex Rios.
But hopefully better, considering the slump he had coming back from that staph infection.

Nick Markakis? He could probably get .300-20-90-90 no problem in Baltimore. Probably no steals though.

And I'd check out Edwin Encarnacion (3B, Reds). Had like an 81% contact rate last year, so he should at least maintain a .270 that won't hurt you...15 HR and 72 RBI's last year in only 400ish at-bats, so it's not a stretch to think he can get to 25-30 and 100. Plus he had 6 steals.

Ryan Zimmerman had a pretty awesome rookie year too, with 20 and 110 and 11 steals for kicks. His K's will probably murder you in that category though - kinda like Dunn but without the homers and a way higher average. ...so really...not that much like Dunn.

If we actually have an SRK league, no one is allowed to steal my ideas.

DaFlipMastaXV

02-28-2007, 03:04 PM

I had Zimmerman last year, Markakis looks good I'm gonna keep an eye out for him.

What's your thoughts on Alex Gordon? Think he's gonna get enough playing time to make it worth it?

fei long

02-28-2007, 04:45 PM

so who is stating the fantasy baseball send me an invite? lofu6@yahoo.com

02-28-2007, 05:01 PM

That just sickens me, that beating a rival and not getting a championship is the key objective of a playoff campaign. That's why I hate both of your cities - like I couldn't care less if we beat New York, Boston, Detroit, or even the Rays...as long as we win.

Damn Yankees. Ruining the economic landscape of baseball by paying losers like Pavano something like $11 million a year to sit on his ass...and going out and buying the division anyway.

I agree with you on the whole Carl Pavano ordeal. That fucker hasn't done SHIT with us. He basically gets the name out.

Friend: Hey Carl! You're a Yankee, now?

Carl: Yeah! Buy the merchandise and see a game.

Anyway, onto why beating the rival MATTERED most in that '03 season. New Yorkers went in with low expectations in that World Series. We were ALL drained from that 7 game saga. And we figured, "Well, it's the Marlins. Fish out of water and they want to mess with the big boys. Fuck them. We'll win." So everyone went and said that, but at the same time everyone was all about the curse being real and all that mystique and aura shit. And I mean, it was building up to this. Almost 100 years, for God's sake. So much drama and all that awesome jazz.

You can't top that. That's why, for me, the '96 World Series was the last awesome World Series. The drama wasn't there physically, but it was there mentally. The Yankees were going in as the underdog.

And, yes, the same applies to the Redsox as well. Winning that World Series was the SECOND goal on the list. Revenge against the Yankees was priority number 1.

Carpet Lint

02-28-2007, 05:40 PM

I had Zimmerman last year, Markakis looks good I'm gonna keep an eye out for him.

What's your thoughts on Alex Gordon? Think he's gonna get enough playing time to make it worth it?
I think he will. Dude had like a 1.000 OPS in AA - I'm not too sure what he's got left to prove in the minors.

...then again, Adam Lind had 1.069 OPS in Syracuse last year and absolutely raked the ball in his September call-up...and he's not making our opening day lineup. But these are the Royals - if they're not going to play their young guys then I don't know what they're playing for. Everything I've read so far this year has the Royals moving Teahen into the outfield for him, so I think Gordon at third this year is pretty much a lock. He'll make opening day for sure.

The only question is whether or not he'll play the full 162 games or just like 120-140, as standard rookie procedure, like sitting him some days against tough lefties or whatever. (Gordon bats left-handed right?) Unless he absolutely kills it, I think like 120-140 game is likier.

I don't know his stats that well, but from all the sources I've read they're projecting him to be like a .270 average, 15-20 homers, maybe 20 steals. But I think most of those are assuming he plays every game, so some of the production numbers may be lower. And I don't know how many runs and RBI's he'll get on the Royals.

Honestly, I'd be interested in him and keeping an eye on him all throughout the draft, and he's potential to be the next big superstar alone is probably worth a middle round pick.

And those are good numbers, I'd personally probably get an established 3B probably ahead of that - I like filling up my infield and SP's earlier because you can generally find cheap saves like everywhere and a servicable OF in the later rounds or off the wire. Some random OF's always pop up during the year. So I'd probably pick him with a late pick, but he probably won't last that long. And there's always that sexy potential idea, but there's still a significant risk - for all the hype, he's only had one season in AA (though it was a good one) since college.

I really want to play in a keeper league sometime, but (a) I don't know where to go for one of them, (b) I don't know that many guys that are into baseball, much less THAT into baseball, and (c) I'm afraid it'll completely take over and ruin my life. I think I'd have to do it with a teammate or something, I'd need someone to keep me sane.

AKUMA2000

02-28-2007, 05:42 PM

White Sox are going to beast this year, and I can't believe it neither..............possibly the Cubs as well.

I'm rooting for the White Sox as well.

Carpet Lint

02-28-2007, 05:49 PM

And, yes, the same applies to the Redsox as well. Winning that World Series was the SECOND goal on the list. Revenge against the Yankees was priority number 1.
That's why Sox fans are infinitely more annoying.

It's always about the Yankees for them, how they're always keeping them down. I remember when they tried to trade for A-Rod, fell a couple million short, lost out to the Yankees, and then started bitching to the league about how the Yankees were ruining baseball because of their $200 million payroll.

Motherfuckers, YOU have the second highest payroll!

Like a ring isn't a ring without going through your hated rivals first...no you stupid asses, a ring IS a ring! I never understood how you could go through so many years without a title and bitching about how you're cursed and whatnot...and then you're more wrapped up about beating the Yankees than you are of getting a ring. That's stupid.

I mean Yankees are Yankees - they win, and they win by buying everyone up, but they know that, and they understand and embrace their role as the Evil Empire. But the Sox do all that...only they keep complaining about the Yankees, about things that they themselves are doing.

I will say this for Yankee fans - at least you have the decency to acknowledge that you're evil. I think I would love being a Yankees fan.

But fortunately I'm not.

02-28-2007, 06:06 PM

I will say this for Yankee fans - at least you have the decency to acknowledge that you're evil. I think I would love being a Yankees fan.

But fortunately I'm not.

I agree with everything you said. And the sad part is, the rivalry is still going on even after they won. =/

Yeah, it's awesome to know that we're evil and can admit to it in a healthy manor. I love George for that.

So, I saw some footage of today's first spring training game and it was my World Series pick: Tigers vs. Mets. I can't believe Julio Franco can STILL fucking hit. They lost though, against the Tigers. Ah, the joys of spring training. Some teams actually PLAY hard to win these games. The Yankees just sleep through them and wait for the real games to count.

I wonder what's gonna be the word on Phillip Hughes. After all, Carl Cash-in Pavano is injured. Let's go Hughes!

DaFlipMastaXV

02-28-2007, 06:13 PM

I think he will. Dude had like a 1.000 OPS in AA - I'm not too sure what he's got left to prove in the minors.

...then again, Adam Lind had 1.069 OPS in Syracuse last year and absolutely raked the ball in his September call-up...and he's not making our opening day lineup. But these are the Royals - if they're not going to play their young guys then I don't know what they're playing for. Everything I've read so far this year has the Royals moving Teahen into the outfield for him, so I think Gordon at third this year is pretty much a lock. He'll make opening day for sure.

The only question is whether or not he'll play the full 162 games or just like 120-140, as standard rookie procedure, like sitting him some days against tough lefties or whatever. (Gordon bats left-handed right?) Unless he absolutely kills it, I think like 120-140 game is likier.

I don't know his stats that well, but from all the sources I've read they're projecting him to be like a .270 average, 15-20 homers, maybe 20 steals. But I think most of those are assuming he plays every game, so some of the production numbers may be lower. And I don't know how many runs and RBI's he'll get on the Royals.

Honestly, I'd be interested in him and keeping an eye on him all throughout the draft, and he's potential to be the next big superstar alone is probably worth a middle round pick.

And those are good numbers, I'd personally probably get an established 3B probably ahead of that - I like filling up my infield and SP's earlier because you can generally find cheap saves like everywhere and a servicable OF in the later rounds or off the wire. Some random OF's always pop up during the year. So I'd probably pick him with a late pick, but he probably won't last that long. And there's always that sexy potential idea, but there's still a significant risk - for all the hype, he's only had one season in AA (though it was a good one) since college.

I really want to play in a keeper league sometime, but (a) I don't know where to go for one of them, (b) I don't know that many guys that are into baseball, much less THAT into baseball, and (c) I'm afraid it'll completely take over and ruin my life. I think I'd have to do it with a teammate or something, I'd need someone to keep me sane.

I'm in a hockey keeper league, and yes it's not good at all for life. Baseball would be even worse.

I knew Lind tore it up, I didnt know he had a 1.000 OPS+ tho.

Also there is so much talent at the 3B and 1B positions that you can snag ones at the later rounds, I don't mind waiting a bit to fill those parts up in the 4th-5th round (provided that my main power or speed guy isnt one of them), I do agree with grabbing the SPs first tho.

My infielders (except for Tejada), were drafted after the 5th round (or not at all)

1b: Morneau
2b: Cano
SS; Tejada
3b: Zimmerman
IF: Reyes (Trade for Jermaine Dye + Otsuka)

I like getting OF and SPs early, I think it's easier to pick consistant OFs than IFs.

It's gonna be hard to pick a consistant #1 if I don't get Johan. I'd like to get Roy again but I hear his workload is gonna get dropped significantly after the jays pretty much worked him till he died. Maybe Carp...

Deathscythe, as much as I'd like to see Hughes in action (well maybe not considering he's in the Jays division), letting him play for a full season wouldn't be smart, especially with all his potential. I must say the Yankees did an amazing job with him and to have him injure himself cuz that moron Pavano is a bum would just be disgusting.

ThePurpleBunny

02-28-2007, 10:05 PM

What's this bullshit that the Cardinals want Roger Clemens? No way in hell he'd do that unless he's a heartless bastard, which would be impossible for a man like him. Close to retirement if he's not retiring anyway, you don't leave your home town, your home town team, and go play for a hated division rival and retire there. Houston would hate him forever.

World Series possibilities... I say for the AL it's New York, Detroit, Chicago, and Los Angeles. I think Boston's bullpen is lacking, and Oakland took major hits losing Barry Zito and Frank Thomas. Minnesota's questionable, but hell. Last several times they won the division, they lose in the first round. So no. And can you believe I heard people on ESPN say that Cleveland would get there this year?

NL has to be the Mets. Has to be. NL is like the Eastern Conference in the NBA. I see nobody in any division who can take on the Mets. Not even St. Louis, they lost pitching power in the offseason. Arizona? You better pray Johnson works this time. LA losing Maddux to San Diego is a blow. I just can't pick anyone in the NL other than the Mets to get to the WS this year.

Warpticon

02-28-2007, 10:17 PM

With Lou Pinella behind the managing reigns, I think they'll be able to pull off some good wins. But, the Cubs at this point are rebuilding. Alfonso Soriano was their first major acquisition in a few years. We'll see though. They still have to deal with the Cardinals in the Central and their team goes unchanged from last season. And of course, the Mets will be there to take the East.

Man, and my boy Bobby Abreu is injured with some abdominal pain. That or he pulled something around there. So, now he's out for a few. Hopefully he'll be back for the beginning of the season. Can't complain about that though because we have The Melky Way™ to host rightfield while Bobby A. gets better.

I still think the Yankees should get rid of Giambi, stick Matsui in as DH, throw Melky into leftfield and keep Bobby A. at right. Now you'll have Melky, Damon and Bobby for the outfield. TWO strong-as-all-hell arms from left and right and Captain Caveman, who is willing to run ANY ball down, at center. Too fucking good.

The infield is looking tight as well. Doug Mienkeivicz(sp?) at 1st, Cano at 2nd, Jeter and A-Rod on short and 3rd respectively. I don't see why this infield should have a problem making errors this season. That's right, I'm looking at you, too, A-Rod. Please stop hugging Jeter's left nut and play the fucking game right. Give us the old A-Rod throughout the entire year(yes, I include October because we'll be there).

Man. I always wondered who the nuts are that actually think Melky Cabrera is anything but a mediocre, fat outfielder who only gets credit becuase he was okay for a while when everybody expected him to suck. Now I know.

Dodgers losing Maddux to the Padres was a blow? Maddux has been mediocre at best for the last three years, and they replaced him with Jason freaking Schmidt.

Can't wait for RSYN to start forcefeeding everybody the RIVALRY TO END ALL RIVALRIES. Also, giving Derek Jeter sloppy ones during the commercial breaks.

Also, barring injury, if Markakis hits only 20 homers, i'll be absolutely shocked.

Watch for Jeremy Hermida to break out this year.

Watch also for Rich Hill to be impressive.

Hunter D

02-28-2007, 10:28 PM

Yankees better hope for the wildcard.

Fantasy Drafting today, looking for the next Alex Rios.

lol no. Yankees will win it all.

ThePurpleBunny

02-28-2007, 11:00 PM

So Fantasy is included in the title, does SRK have a league? Never played Fantasy before until now. Don't quite really understand how it works.

ELLwarriors

02-28-2007, 11:13 PM

PADRES = 07 WORLD CHAMPS

But seriously, The way the Padres go about trying to "compete" every year in the NL West is annoying as hell. The last few years when they won the West they were lucky to be in the sorriest division in baseball. This year looks like it may be a bit more difficult. The pitching staff has to be considered one of the best in baseball, and the bullpen seems just as strong as last year. The real issue (like always) is hitting. Last year the Padres had no one in the top 50 in the league in OPS. Even worse is seeing most of the regular's home/away splits. PETCO just seems to get in everyone's head except the road team. I've been to plenty of games where the road team had no problem hitting bombs outta there. If they can get any better production from their bats, they can be dangerous. Trading Barfield for Kouzmanoff was upsetting, but I can see why now. They traded a 6-7-8 hitter for a potential 3-4-5 hitter, something sorely needed. But that's whats annoying. They're a few hitters away from being really good, and Alderson and Towers just sit back looking to find some cheap bat that won't be a total black hole. I still like them to win the West this year, but their ceiling isn't too high unless they get a middle of the order masher.

And hell yes, Fantasy Baseball drafts are here. It seems moreso than previous years you want a late round pick. In my Yahoo Winner league I managed to snag David Wright and Vlad Guerrero when I had the #10 pick. I'm not a fan of taking SP early. Pitchers flucuate more than any other position. Just look at who the top pitchers were supposed to be the last few years. Santana is the only lock to be a dominant pitcher and he's been going Top 5 in drafts. Middle round pitchers like Harden, Papelbon, and Hamels could easily outproduce pitchers taken before them. And there's always FA pitchers who come out of nowhere and become reliable fantasy options (06 Arroyo).

Morphiend

02-28-2007, 11:14 PM

if no one starts a league within 2 weeks or so i'll start one but if someone does please no more than 14 teams. :sad:

DaFlipMastaXV

02-28-2007, 11:18 PM

I think I got destroyed in my draft, got obsessed with pitching for some reason. Got the guys Carpet Lint mentioned so they better work, plus I think Howie kendrick is gonna be good this year. A lot of my guys are young, so I'll either do great or terrible hitting wise. Either way, here it is:

C - Gregg Zaun
1B - Nick Swisher
2B - Howie kendrick
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Ryan Zimmerman
CI - Ray Durham
MI - Morgan Ensberg
LF - Nick Markakis
CF - Juan Rivera (How the hell does Broken Leg in Dec = Return in 7 months?) I need to put him on Injury and get someone else)
RF - Jermaine Dye
OF - Barry Bonds
Util - JD Drew
Bench - Alex Gordon, Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Roy Oswalt
SP - Roy Halladay
P - Brandon Webb
P - Felix Hernandez
P - Ervin Santana
RP - Johnathan Papelbon (Fuck you Yahoo fix this)
RP - Jason Isringhausen
Bench - Brian Fuentes, Jose Contreras, Craig Hansen (Dumping if he doesnt win the closer job)

Ender120

02-28-2007, 11:36 PM

I'll take the Astros for the World Series win, just like every year. So far, it hasn't happened.

But that's why they call us fans.

Look for the Astros to put a hurting on everybody this year. A middle-of-the-lineup of Berkman-Lee-Ensberg should give every baseball fan nightmares. And yes, Ensberg had a down year last year. But with his shoulder healed, look for him to return to his '05 form, when he hit 36 homers and had 100 RBIs.

That's not even counting Luke Scott, who I believe will continue his badassery from last year and hit about .640.

Astros also signed Mark Loretta, who is a career .300 hitter and will play second base on days Craig Biggio is resting (which should be most road games). Signing Loretta gives the Astros probably the best bench in the league with him, Mike Lamb, Orlando Palmeiro, and maybe Richard Hidalgo or Eric Bruntlet.

Astros pitching got weaker, of course, but Roy Oswalt is still the best pitcher in the NL and this is the year he gets his long-overdue Cy Young award. When you put together back-to-back 20-win seasons and just generally kick ass every night, you deserve one. Oswalt deserves one.

I look for Jason Jennings to be a great #2. When you pitch 3.78 in Colorado, chances are you'll pitch pretty well elsewhere. Plus, all indications are that he's really stepped his understanding of how to pitch to a new level, so I expect an improvement on top of all that.

They signed Woody Williams, who at age 73 still managed to pitch a 3.65 last year. More than adequate as a #3.

The #4 and #5 spots are open right now, but I predict they'll be filled by Wandy Rodriguez and Chris Sampson. Rodriguez I'm not too thrilled about, but the club seems to love him for some reason. Sampson I have high hopes for. Through his 10 appearances at the end of last year, he came in and posted a 2.12 ERA. I felt really good about him and I hope he comes in and impresses in Spring Training.

The Astros bullpen is arguably one of the strongest, if not the strongest, in the league. Qualls-Wheeler-Lidge is something no one wants a part of. Yeah Lidge sucked last year, but everyone attributes that to the fact that he played in the World Baseball Classic in the offseason last year and was not "properly rested". That makes a little more sense to me than the "omg albert butthols ruined his PSYCHE!" method that arose after the Astros-Cardinals NLDS two years ago, because if you go back and look, Lidge was starting to suck it up a little before the bomb Butthols hit. He had been overworked to that point, so fatigue issues seem to be consistent.

Don't forget Adam Everett, who isn't going to turn any heads at the plate, but is absolutely, bar none the best shortstop in the game of baseball. Not his division, not the National League. The whole thing. All of MLB. Every defensive statistical formula puts him ridiculously above everybody.

And then there's Brad "Double Play" Ausmus, who sucks a fat cock at the plate, but seems to be the favorite of every pitcher he's ever called for. That should count for something.

All this, and Roger Clemens still might join them mid-year?

ASTROS IN '07

ELLwarriors

03-01-2007, 12:01 AM

They signed Woody Williams, who at age 73 still managed to pitch a 3.65 last year. More than adequate as a #3.

2006 stats

HOME: 2.93 era, 1.09 whip, .231 baa
AWAY: 4.29 era, 1.45 whip, .295 baa

Woodrow is finished. Other than a couple of years in St Louis, he's been an average at best pitcher. And something tells me he won't enjoy pitching in Minute Maid as much as PETCO.

I was really happy that the Friars finally decided to dump the guy. Good riddance.

spideyman

03-01-2007, 12:24 AM

Remember count me in for the fantasy league if you guys start one. Brewers for the wild card baby. If our pitchers can stay healthy........Ben Sheets.....and our young guys step up we could suprise some teams. Price, Ricky I made another error Weeks, JJ Hardy, Corey Hart and Mr. Do it all Billy Hall. Watch out.

03-01-2007, 08:30 AM

Man. I always wondered who the nuts are that actually think Melky Cabrera is anything but a mediocre, fat outfielder who only gets credit becuase he was okay for a while when everybody expected him to suck. Now I know.

Because he was involved in EVERY trade deal that the Yankees wanted to make, right? :rolleyes:

The kid has A LOT of growth potential. I'd rather see him in leftfield over Matsui ANY DAY of the week. Stronger arm and he's faster on base than Matsui. Matsui is a bat. That's all he is and he has a quick release, but it's a weak throw in the long run.

@DaFlipMastaXV: I agree with you on the situation with Hughes. BUT, if he makes the team, he makes the team. The Yankees could use the younger arms. If it were up to me, I'd give him another year in the minors due to the fact that Mussina is definitely done after this year. And then there's Pettite as well that might be done as well. But, we'll have to see throughout this month.

And after reading Ender's post about the Astros, I might be feeling them now with Mark Loretta. And yes, their bullpen is pretty damn good. I doubt Roger Clemens will return to the Astros. That's right, I'm gonna go with my ultimate Yankee-bias right now and say he returns to NY. After all, his boy Pettite is here and you know those two are the Peanut Butter and Jelly of baseball. No homo.

BruceLB

03-01-2007, 10:45 AM

NL has to be the Mets. Has to be. NL is like the Eastern Conference in the NBA. I see nobody in any division who can take on the Mets. Not even St. Louis, they lost pitching power in the offseason. Arizona? You better pray Johnson works this time. LA losing Maddux to San Diego is a blow. I just can't pick anyone in the NL other than the Mets to get to the WS this year.

I'd take the Dodgers, Pads, and Phillies all before I'd take the Mets. Who the fuck is going to pitch for them? Yeah sure that lineup is great, but the Dodgers scored 14 less runs then the Mets last year, and who gives a crap about Maddux? Have you even seen the Dodgers starting 5? It's top 5 in the MLB.

Even if the Mets win the NL EAST against the Phillies, who scored more runs them last year, and has a rotation with actually good pitchers, there sure has hell going to have a hard time beating the Dodgers or Pads in a 5 game series with that rotation.

Also the Cubs will still suck.

KryptoniteBoots

03-01-2007, 12:51 PM

Time for the phillies to waste some more talent this year baby......it's been 14 years since Mitch Williams put himself on every ESPN best of highlight reel, hopefully these fuckers will at least make the playoffs, they have the reigning MVP dammit.........and the best offensive 2nd baseman in the league.

Morphiend

03-18-2007, 08:32 PM

ok i've made a fantasy league. 14 team max. so far 4 spots are taken.

5. purple bunny
6. spideyman

8 spots left. post up your emails if you want an invite.

Carpet Lint

03-18-2007, 08:40 PM

PM with the details, 'phiendy.

Morphiend

03-18-2007, 08:48 PM

carpet lint - pm sent

5. purple bunny
6. spideyman
7. carpet lint

DaFlipMastaXV

03-18-2007, 09:27 PM

I want in. t.bauza17@gmail.com

Morphiend

03-19-2007, 06:09 AM

flipmasta - invite sent

5. purple bunny
6. spideyman
7. carpet lint
8. flipmasta

spideyman

03-19-2007, 07:33 AM

didn't get an invite yet. soup-or-man@hotmail.com or just pm me info. is this head to head? go brewers.

rsigley

03-19-2007, 07:47 AM

mylthazz@gmail.com

Carpet Lint

03-19-2007, 08:08 AM

I wonder how many people out of the 14 will ever check the league again after drafting.

...five? Four?

spideyman

03-19-2007, 08:10 AM

i will. i've been in the basketball league all year and i'm not even gonna make the playoffs.

daydrinker

03-19-2007, 11:57 AM

thetourist178@yahoo.com invite me plz

AL east - Redsox, Yankees close behind. redsox lineup is almost as good as the yanks, but they got a better staff with schilling, papelbon, dmat, beckett, and wakefield, yanks starters are getting older and are hurt more often. Watch out for the Jays. I really like Tampa to make a lot of noise as well.

AL central - easily the toughest division in mlb. Whitesox (my favorite team so im biased lol), monster lineup, their rotation is solid and it always has the chance of being dominate again, 5th starter spot is very weak. OK bullpen. Followed close by Tigers. I don't think that the Tigers rotation will be as awesome as it was last year, they surprised everyone and now with a year for everyone to get used to them they should come down a bit. Indians have a lot of potential their whole pitching staff is kinda weak imo. Im not too worried about the Twins with their loss of Liriano and Radke, but they are still a scrappy team so i dunno lol. Royals at the bottom again.

AL west - Angels will take it especially if Colon can get healthy soon, Weaver and Lackey are nice, above avg lineup and excellent pen. Oakland has lost some of its dominate pitching and their lineup looks worse with the loss of Thomas and addition of Piazza. Texas has a good lineup but inconsistent pitching, Millwood is not a #1, and Padilla is very inconsistent (i dont know how with the absolutely filthy stuff this guy has), McCarthy is young. Seattle will be better but no chance.

Wildcard - Tigers, Yanks, Blue Jays, Indians in that order.

BruceLB

03-19-2007, 12:46 PM

Whitesox will not make the playoffs. Indians will win the central.

Morphiend

03-19-2007, 01:18 PM

im at work right now and will send out the rest of the invites when i get home. between the people who replied after my last post and people who reserved a spot from the nba league i think we're full.

ThePurpleBunny

03-19-2007, 02:35 PM

Email here with details. (mailto:tpb@bunnyhaetsu.com)

Morphiend

03-19-2007, 03:20 PM

i sent out a bunch of invites.

9. treize
10. souporman
11. mythazz
12. thetourist
12. techrock

i think spidey is one of the ones i saved a spot for so i think theres one or two spots left

daydrinker

03-19-2007, 05:08 PM

Whitesox will not make the playoffs. Indians will win the central.

I just don't see how the Indians can beat the Whitesox and Tigers.

Indians
1. Grady Sizemore CF
2. Dave Dellucci LF
3. Victor Martinez C
4. Travis Hafner DH
5. Trot Nixon RF
6. Casey Blake 1B
7. Jhonny Peralta SS
8. Andy Marte 3B
9. Josh Barfield 2B

White Sox
1. Scott Podsednik LF
2. Tadahito Iguchi 2B
3. Jermaine Dye RF
4. Paul Konerko 1B
5. Jim Thome DH
6. A.J. Pierzynski C
7. Joe Crede 3B
8. Juan Uribe SS
9. Darin Erstad CF

The White Sox lineup is way more experienced and versatile. Any lineup that has Crede batting 7th is very, very strong. The only position where you dominate us is at Catcher, not that Pierzynski is bad, but Martinez is that good. Some would say CF too, but I think Sizemore has been way overhyped/overrated. We got a lot more power and prolly more speed too.

Indians
1. C. Sabathia
2. J. Westbrook
3. J. Sowers
4. P. Byrd
5. F. Carmona

DL 6. C. Lee

White Sox
1. J. Contreras
2. M. Buehrle
3. J. Garland
4. J. Vazquez
5. J. Danks / G. Floyd

Other than Sabathia, the Indians rotation is inconsistent. And Cliff Lee on the dl hurts them alot. The Sox rotation is very durable and experienced, sure they wont be as good as the '05 rotation again but they are still good overall, with the potential to be great. The McCarthy trade was stupid, but it was for the future so w/e.

Bench/Manger:

We got you beat here too...

My main concern is them Tigers lol.

crimzonflame

03-19-2007, 05:50 PM

Do you think Jays will do well this season?

BruceLB

03-19-2007, 06:13 PM

I am not an Indians fan. That being said Cleveland has a much better team then Chicago. Last year a very unlucky Indians team had a run differential of +88, better then the White sox run differential of +74.

They have a stronger core lineup with Sizemore, Hafner, and Martinez. Their overall lineup will be much stronger, as Peralta should bounce back some and Dellucci and Michaels is a solid platoon.

The White sox lineup however will still suffer from offensive liability Scott Podsednik. Also I expect both Thome and Jermaine Dye's numbers to slip a bit.

Cleveland’s rotation is solid and Cliff Lee is only expected to miss a couple weeks. Chicago’s rotation does have more upside but Jose Contreras needs to stay healthy, Buehrle needs to rebound, and they still need to dig up a reliable fifth man.

I don't see the White sox winning more then 80-83 games this year. Cleveland and Detroit are my frontrunners.

DaFlipMastaXV

03-19-2007, 07:02 PM

Carpet Lint

03-19-2007, 07:03 PM

That's an interesting argument, regarding Cleveland vs. Chicago in terms of offense.

Last year, Cleveland scored 870 runs, second in baseball (Yankees #1 with 930 - that's retarded). Tied third in team OPS with .870. The year before that when they won 93 games, they were 7th with 790, so it's a team on the rise for sure.

Oddly enough, last year Chicago scored 868 runs (3rd) and had a team OPS of .870 - tied with Cleveland for third.

So offensively, they were pretty even.

Interestingly, note that Chicago lead the entire MLB last year with 236 home runs. Cleveland was 9th with 196.

So Cleveland still scored two more runs than the Sox even though they had 40 less home runs.

Chicago plays the long ball, that's obvious. But Dye (44) and Thome (42) were their top two home run hitters last year, and they're 33 and 36 this year.

Cleveland was second in baseball with 351 doubles (Chicago 21st with 291) - that's probably where they got their offense from.

And Cleveland's top three guys are Hafner, Sizemore, and Martinez - average age 27.

If I were a betting man and I had to choose one of those offensives to improve and one to drop-off...it'd say Cleveland has a better change to outhit Chicago than vice versa.

...pitching's another topic entirely though.

daydrinker

03-19-2007, 10:47 PM

LOL at the person thinking Sizemore doesn't dominate the shit out of Erstad and Thome is as good as Hafner.

Podsednik ran into injuries, Buhrle AND Contreras are on the downswing. You really thinking that those two are going to have the numbers they did 2 years ago? AND that they are better than Cleveland's rotation?

Sophomore jinx will hit the Tigers hard this year.

Haha, I really dont know what to say about someone saying that Clevelands rotation can compare to any contending teams rotation much less Chicago's, you might wanna read those names that I posted again. BTW, I never claimed that the Sox' rotation would be as good as it was 2 years ago either.

If Sizemore dominates Erstad and Hafner dominates Thome, then it's fair to say that Dye dominates Nixon and Konerko dominates Blake.

Anyway, I can go on and on about how I think this and that, and you all can too, so its pointless, let's just wait and see what happens i suppose.

.Free.

03-20-2007, 02:31 AM

Anaheim Angels FTW. no good signing of that loser center fielder from texas that took HGH. forgot his name. I thought it was a bad idea signing him and then the HGH things comes out.

Go here and signup. im gonna sign up now and start a SRK division. you are the GM of your team and you get $35 million to start your team. And u can have a bunch of people in the division instead of 14 . we can have all of SRK on there.
http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/season1/basic/home.html

K i made a division for whoever wants to join, The division name is shoryuken. the password is srk

Morphiend

03-21-2007, 08:04 PM

so 9 spots are taken in the srk league.

souporman, the toursist have yet to join so 3 spots left after they join. anyone who's interested post up. draft is next friday.

.Free.

03-21-2007, 08:07 PM

is it free? Morphiend anyone join my league it's free?

Morphiend

03-21-2007, 08:24 PM

yeah the yahoo leauge is free. just post up your email addy for an invite.

.Free.

03-21-2007, 08:29 PM

ludachris165@yahoo.com
here's my email

DaFlipMastaXV

03-21-2007, 08:45 PM

damn I can't make draft, don't want to rely on auto drafting.

Morphiend

03-21-2007, 08:47 PM

i know the draft time sucks but there wasn't much left.

daydrinker

03-22-2007, 01:11 AM

thetourist178@yahoo.com

I never recieved the email, can you send it again plz?

Shit I don't think I can make the draft either, gotta work =/
Oh well, I'll just do auto pick if I have to, it's not like we are playing for money or anything, although I will take the season serious lol.

daydrinker

03-26-2007, 03:42 AM

fei long

03-26-2007, 04:12 AM

any more spots? lofu6@yahoo.com

03-26-2007, 07:45 AM

1 more week til the season starts!!!

Where are all the Boston, NY fans? So that I can hate on them, hah. DMat looks really really scary, and Wang is starting the season off on the DL, making an already average rotation look even worse. Toronto finishes in second, Yanks third?!? Maybe...

Haha I'm just trying to get this thread bumped really.

Wang being on the DL is a pretty bad thing for the Yanks, considering he's our ace and all.

I wouldn't really call our rotation average. I mean, even though spring training doesn't count for shit, but that's some beastin' that was going on. I don't think the Red Sox will be making any noise this season. The Blue Jays DO get my vote for Question Mark team of the year. They have the potential, but will they choke in the end?

If anything, the NL East is the lookout post. The Phillies just look too damn good. The Mets have NOTHING to throw out on the mound, and Atlanta is just any other team this year.

ONE MORE WEEK, BABY!!!!!

rsigley

03-26-2007, 08:05 AM

yea friday night sucks

oh well guess i'll pray on the auto draft

daydrinker

03-26-2007, 08:20 AM

03-26-2007, 08:46 AM

Mussina - old (almost 40?), can be really good some games, really bad others.

Slight bump on the road. But when he clicks, he clicks.

Pettite - getting older (35?), on the decline imo, not bad though.

I dunno about decline. But, after his injury last year, he came back throwing fire. And he started out pretty damn well in spring training this year until the back spasm.

Pavano - always hurt as we all know, and when not, isn't all that reliable. Has pretty good stuff, but can't get his head/health together.

He's my pick for wild card pitcher in this rotation. Aside from the injuries, he's been throwing pretty well this spring training. I hope it translates into the season.

Igawa - unproven of course, looks to be above average.
#5 - who they gonna pitch? Karstens is hurt?....

I'm usually not one to trust Japanese pitching. I would rather wait until the regular season to judge him.

Wang - (DL for a bit), pretty good, but i dont think he will be as good as last year.

Well, his pitching method is unique. He's had three straight seasons where he's been lights out. Last year being his strongest, I think he has the ability to repeat what he did last year. Especially since all he goes for are groundballs. He basically a much better version of Tim Wakefield.

Every spring training the Phillies are always everyones pick to watch out for, yet they rarely seem to come through, that being said, I am picking them to take the East lol. The Mets must be kicking the shit out of themselves with that Kazmir trade. I have that trade as maybe the worst of the past 5 years. Kazmir for Victor Zambrano wtf hahahaa an ace for a 5th starter, was it that bitch ass Steve Phillips that made that trade? I hate that piece of shit, he doesn't ever know what the fuck he's talking about.

Well, the Phillies did finish, what, second in the wild card race? They're proven to be a strong team. And they seem to have the makings for a successful run. Should they take advantage of a weak NL East, they can go all the way to the first round. They'll have to go through the Dodgers and the Cubs. With Sweet Lou behind the Cubs, that team is gonna be on fire. Especially with Soriano on that team.

lol @ the Mets for fucking up. They'll have to score 10 runs every game just to win. And it probably WAS Phillips that made that trade.

BTW, Eric Gagne in Texas. WTF?! This season is proving to top last years. I know the Brewers made a lot of hush-hush trades over the winter and their squad is looking mighty decent.

Fuck, is Baseball Tonight airing yet?

Warpticon

03-26-2007, 08:54 AM

Wang being on the DL is a pretty bad thing for the Yanks, considering he's our ace and all.

I wouldn't really call our rotation average. I mean, even though spring training doesn't count for shit, but that's some beastin' that was going on. I don't think the Red Sox will be making any noise this season. The Blue Jays DO get my vote for Question Mark team of the year. They have the potential, but will they choke in the end?

If anything, the NL East is the lookout post. The Phillies just look too damn good. The Mets have NOTHING to throw out on the mound, and Atlanta is just any other team this year.

ONE MORE WEEK, BABY!!!!!

I'm trying to figure out how "Wang is our ace" and "I wouldn't really call our rotation average" belong in the same discussion coming from the same person. Moose is the only ace-caliber pitcher the Yankees have, and he's probably not at that caliber. Pettitte is one of the most overrated players in baseball. In any four year period, he's great one year, awful one year, and pretty much dead average for two years, yet he gets treated like an ace for some reason when he's clearly not. Speaking of overrated, Carl Pavano has had one good season. I don't mean with the Yankees. I mean, in 10 years in the majors, he has had exactly ONE season in which he was a good pitcher and didn't miss at least a third of the year. And Wang? Wang's a good pitcher. He's basically Mark Buehrle Lite. Thing is, those sinkerball pitchers who never, ever, ever strike anybody out eventually eventually get figured out, and the Yanks aren't exactly running gold glovers out at every position. Igawa hopes to be a league average pitcher in his first MLB season, and it'd be outrageous for anybody to expect better of him at this point.

Actually, you're right, Lint. Calling this staff average at this point is being a bit too complimentary.

As for the Phils, they have really high end talent on the top. The rest is...not reliable. Howard, Utley and Rollins make for an excellent infield. Helms isn't any thing special, but the Phils were running David freaking Bell out there for years, so whatever. Burrell/Victorino/Rowand has the potential to be truly awful in the outfield. The staff is really strong at the top (Myers/Hamels) and "meh" at the bottom (Garcia/Moyer/Eaton, a group of has-beens/never-weres, but at least they're proven mediocre). They could go all White Sox 2005 and be great with career years around, but they could just as easily not. I'm a lot more comfortable picking the Mets in the East, or hell, even the Braves. Watch out for Florida, too. As unexpected as their performance was last year, keep in mind that most of their players are on the upswing. Nolasco, Johnson, Sanchez will all be better pitchers in the future than in '06. Ramirez is going to be an outright stud at SS. Cabrera is one of the top 5 hitters in baseball, and he had a down year last season in the power department. Jeremy Hermida had his rookie year ruined by injuries, but he's kind of a faster Cabrera clone in terms of minor league production. I expect huge things out of him. A couple of the other guys could slip a bit, but I have Florida targeted for 75-85 wins this season, which, depending on how far the leader runs out, could keep them in the race all season.

Warpticon

03-26-2007, 09:17 AM

Well, his pitching method is unique. He's had three straight seasons where he's been lights out. Last year being his strongest, I think he has the ability to repeat what he did last year. Especially since all he goes for are groundballs. He basically a much better version of Tim Wakefield.

Seeing as he made his MLB debut in mid-2005, I don't think his lights-out minor league performance is really relevant. (he wasn't, by the way). It's quite possible he can repeat what he did last year. I wouldn't bet on it, though. He's a good pitcher, but he's no ace.

Well, the Phillies did finish, what, second in the wild card race? They're proven to be a strong team. And they seem to have the makings for a successful run. Should they take advantage of a weak NL East, they can go all the way to the first round. They'll have to go through the Dodgers and the Cubs. With Sweet Lou behind the Cubs, that team is gonna be on fire. Especially with Soriano on that team.

I'm a Cubs fan, but my excitement about the team isn't strictly Lou/Soriano. it's no more Pierre, Murton playing every day, and having a healthy DLee again. That's going to make a huge difference in getting guys on, which is what kept the offense from being any good. Also, not depending on Wood or Prior to start takes a lot of pressure off, and last season exposed Rich Hill as a very dangerous weapon in the rotation, so that's something to look forward to. I still hate the marquis signing. That was ridiculous.

lol @ the Mets for fucking up. They'll have to score 10 runs every game just to win. And it probably WAS Phillips that made that trade.

That trade was awful. I think you underestimate the quality of the Mets' pitching, though. I think it's about on par with the Yankees, with higher ceiling potential in Pelfrey and Maine. Pelfrey was a beast at every level but MLB in his first professional season last year. Maine was very good last season when he started, and if anybody falls off, they have Heilman who can step into the rotation. For a squad that lost one of the greatest pitchers of all time in Pedro, that's not too bad.
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rsigley

03-26-2007, 11:17 AM

dice k got a no hitter through 4 but he's throwing a lot of balls and walking the ball park

not really impressed with him so far

rsigley

03-26-2007, 11:39 AM

they pulled him after 5 innings, 109 pitchers, 45 balls

weak ratio

no hits tho

Morphiend

03-26-2007, 12:03 PM

2 spots left in the fantasy baseball league. if no one joins we'll just play with 12 teams. post up your email if you want an invite

Warblade49

03-26-2007, 03:00 PM

bluecross98@yahoo.com. sign me up.

.Free.

03-26-2007, 03:59 PM

how does this fantasy league work? and the draft? i've only played fantasy baseball on this website

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/season1/basic/home.html

do we just wait for friday and pick any player that hasn't been taken yet? New to this kind of play:confused:

Fucking shit. going on a date on friday so i won't be able to do the draft. hope computer picks good people for me.

Morphiend

03-30-2007, 02:30 PM

live fantasy draft today at 630 pm!!! hopefully most people can make it.

free.
log onto yahoo and go to the homepage for our league at around 630 pst. on the homepage it'll say you can enter the live draft. everyone is assigned a draft pick number which is the order we pick in. if the team manager is there then they pick whatever player they want. if the manager is not there and it's their turn, yahoo will pick the highest ranked player on the pre rank list. we just pick players until all the spots on our team are filled. you can leave at anytime if you're done picking and let yahoo pick the rest of your team for you.

.Free.

03-30-2007, 03:30 PM

ThePurpleBunny

03-30-2007, 07:56 PM

ok im not going to be around for any of this. is that a bad thing. Will i get a crappy team and if i do get a crappy team can i trade players?

sorry going out at 6pm . man wish the draft was yesterday.

You should have pre-ranked your players. That way the system would automatically picked the highest available players for you. You may or may not get a crappy team based on how it goes. But after that you can trade, release, sign, ect.

But it was a good draft. Good luck to all.

Morphiend

03-30-2007, 09:15 PM

yahoo hates me. 10/12 pick for this draft and 14/16 for the basketball draft. one pick lower and i could have built around ortiz but had to take utley at 10th pick.

.Free.

03-31-2007, 02:00 AM

heh. i wasn't even at the draft but my team doesn't look that bad. i might still win this division. the only thing i don't like about my team are the pitchers. got a couple that i never heard of before

Carpet Lint

04-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Jays, motherfuckers. Fuck yo Tigers, nigga.

1 down, 161 to go.

Anyone need saves? I think I have four closers. MAKE ME A DEAL

.Free.

04-02-2007, 02:54 PM

sports illustrated picked the angels to win it all this year. i have to say i agree with them. but damn colon is on DL already. things not looking good for the halos. Gil meche is pitching well right now. making all those people shut their mouths about him being the most over paid player in history. 55 million dollar contract but he's shutting down the redsox right now.

Man i love this time of year when baseball starts.

rsigley

04-02-2007, 03:04 PM

i got nomar garciparo i don't need and need a save

let me know

04-02-2007, 04:13 PM

Jays, motherfuckers. Fuck yo Tigers, nigga.

1 down, 161 to go.

Anyone need saves? I think I have four closers. MAKE ME A DEAL

Fuck your Blue Jays. That was only because of Halladay Magic. Seriously.

A-Rod, Jeter and Phelps all contributed to the Devil Rays 5 runs. All errors. Damnit all. A-Rod did make up for that with a homerun. I guess it's the high socks that are doing it. MYSTIQUE, SON!!!

And of course, the Captain is who came through in the clutch once more to bring us back into the game and Bobby A. providing the lead run with A-Rod steal assist. Too fucking good.

The bullpen is dope so far. But, it's the Devil Rays, so I can't jump to any conclusions right now.

Contreras got BOMBED THE FUCK UP against the Indians. The Indians are looking like serious business this year.

sports illustrated picked the angels to win it all this year. i have to say i agree with them. but damn colon is on DL already. things not looking good for the halos. Gil meche is pitching well right now. making all those people shut their mouths about him being the most over paid player in history. 55 million dollar contract but he's shutting down the redsox right now.

Man i love this time of year when baseball starts.

Interesting. I viewed the Angels as a team that is falling apart and rebuilding all at once. Guess I'll have to watch Baseball Tonight esta noche. YES! Baseball Tonight, motherfuckers!!!! GET HYPED!!!!

D-Force

04-02-2007, 07:30 PM

Wow....Contreras pitched like absolute shit in that game.

Looks like the Indians are back in the race this year.

Night

04-02-2007, 07:40 PM

Yankees win! Thuhhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh... Yankees WIN!!!!

And Red Sox LOSE!!! It's only one game, but Red Sox losing with Schilling on the mound against KC and getting shelled... WAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

fei long

04-02-2007, 08:32 PM

sizemore for mvp

Warpticon

04-02-2007, 08:46 PM

Fuck your Blue Jays. That was only because of Halladay Magic. Seriously.

A-Rod, Jeter and Phelps all contributed to the Devil Rays 5 runs. All errors. Damnit all. A-Rod did make up for that with a homerun. I guess it's the high socks that are doing it. MYSTIQUE, SON!!!

And of course, the Captain is who came through in the clutch once more to bring us back into the game and Bobby A. providing the lead run with A-Rod steal assist. Too fucking good.

The bullpen is dope so far. But, it's the Devil Rays, so I can't jump to any conclusions right now.

Contreras got BOMBED THE FUCK UP against the Indians. The Indians are looking like serious business this year.

Interesting. I viewed the Angels as a team that is falling apart and rebuilding all at once. Guess I'll have to watch Baseball Tonight esta noche. YES! Baseball Tonight, motherfuckers!!!! GET HYPED!!!!

Watching Baseball Tonight for info beyond simple highlights is a good way to go from uniformed to misinformed.

And the Angels are that much better for finally realizing what the rest of the world has known since 2001: Darin Erstad sucks. Less Erstad and Cabrera and more Kennedy and more Wood and Kendrick, et al, will make for a better team heading forward.

I forgot Bartolo Colon was alive.

AkumaTX

04-02-2007, 09:37 PM

Not again Lidge. Come on. Astros 0-1 to start season. No only 161 games left.

Night

04-02-2007, 10:02 PM

Brad Lidge is done. He was never the same ever since Pujols hit that home run off of him in the 2005 NLCS.

daydrinker

04-02-2007, 11:44 PM

Contreras got rocked :( baaad.

It's funny how people go crazy after one game though...give it at least a month, to start jumping on/off bandwagons.

ELLwarriors

04-03-2007, 12:56 AM

Brad Lidge is done. He was never the same ever since Pujols hit that home run off of him in the 2005 NLCS.

PWNED!!! (http://www.mc.edu/campus/users/jgreen/pujolsLidge.jpg)

Funny thing is that's the first thing that pops up when you type in Lidge on google images. I'll be shocked if he stays the closer for Houston the rest of the year.

And watch out for Bonds on his opening series against the Padres. Bonds has feasted off of friar pitching to the tune 85 career homers.

.Free.

04-03-2007, 03:41 AM

LOL u have to be crazy to think the jays even have a shot at winning that division. yanks and bosox will be 1 and 2.

jays will not when again until a joe carter jr. starts playin for them.

I love L.A. angels that is. good start to the season. but it was against crappy Rangers. Lackey for Cy Young

Warblade49

04-03-2007, 06:33 AM

Go Tribe. Nice opening day beatdown of the White Sox.

YellowS4

04-03-2007, 06:40 AM

Sox are gonna finish well behind the Jays!

04-03-2007, 07:36 AM

Watching Baseball Tonight for info beyond simple highlights is a good way to go from uniformed to misinformed.

And the Angels are that much better for finally realizing what the rest of the world has known since 2001: Darin Erstad sucks. Less Erstad and Cabrera and more Kennedy and more Wood and Kendrick, et al, will make for a better team heading forward.

I forgot Bartolo Colon was alive.

It seems that John Lackey had a good outting last night. And Sosa was looking VERY small compared to his old school HGH version.

And no, I don't watch Baseball Tonight for the info. I watch for the highlights and the webgems. Unfortunately, it came on last night a bit too late for me. =/

LOL u have to be crazy to think the jays even have a shot at winning that division. yanks and bosox will be 1 and 2.

You're nuts. =p

akumatrunigga

04-03-2007, 07:56 AM

Well, I watched the O's got smacked by the Twins. I'll admit that they hit santana pretty good as well. Dammit I miss the O's of the mid 90s man!! From Alomar to Anderson. DAYUM you Angelos! DAYUM you!! Well as O's fans we still cant let go off the fact of that dayum brat in the alcs a few years back. Yankees fans know exactly what im talking about :lol:

I know im late as hell but here goes

huntjamaal@hotmail.com

Carpet Lint

04-04-2007, 08:18 PM

04-04-2007, 08:21 PM

OH MAN!!!! You can clearly see the cheating in all it's glory. I love this season so far. GET HYPED!!!!

daydrinker

04-04-2007, 10:53 PM

CONTROVERSY!!!

Apparently K-Rod is putting some weird stuff on the ball.

http://www.zumsteg.net/cheatersguide/2007/04/03/francisco-rodriguez-doctoring-the-ball/
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2007/4/3/11050/07236/150#c150
http://media.putfile.com/Francisco-Rodriguez-Cheating-Normal-Version (video)

Wild internet rumours report that the Rangers complained to the commissioner's office after the game.

Shit, I think since he's been in the league he's been touching his cap like that. Although I don't watch him everyday or anyhing like that, I've noticed him touching his cap a lot whenever I do watch him, now that I think about it. The guy has crazy stuff, this may explain some of it...

AkumaTX

04-04-2007, 11:29 PM

.... To the pirates 3 in a row :(

Warpticon

04-04-2007, 11:57 PM

Cubs even things up. Considering the offense hasn't shown up yet, not bad. Zambrano's going to do better: he always sucks on opening day. And Lilly was just sick tonight. 2007 Ted Lilly = 2006 Bronson Arroyo. Solid innings eater moves to the NL and eats up batters. Book it.

Miguel Cabrera is a BEAST.

Geese Pants

04-05-2007, 04:59 AM

WTF!??!

White Sox bullpen was bullshit yesterday...........Ozzie needs to get shit done.

daydrinker

04-05-2007, 08:33 AM

WTF!??!

White Sox bullpen was bullshit yesterday...........Ozzie needs to get shit done.

Not only the bullpen mate, but the whole pitching staff is bullshit right now. We shouldn't lose when we score 7 runs, wtf.

We need Buehrle to pitch a good game today, he has always been the leader of the staff and when he pitches good it seems the rest follow. I wasn't too happy about the Neal Cotts trade for Aardsma, I think the bullpen was overhyped this year, with everyone saying it was gonna be better than the '05 pen.

Anyways, the season hasn't started the way that I was hoping for, of course, but I still have high hopes for this season...

fei long

04-05-2007, 11:14 AM

again...sizemore for mvp

dice-gay is going today , lets see how he pitches even though KC is not the biggest first test..

Carpet Lint

04-05-2007, 11:21 AM

dice-gay
Hahaha...so unwitty that it actually orbits all the way around the World of Wit, hits you in the back of the head, and it becomes witty again.

Dice-K? More like...Dice-GAY.

QUALITY

Night

04-05-2007, 11:54 AM

K-Rod cheating? The guy has been the bane of the fans of NY's existence every playoff series to be cheating... oh wait...

To many NY fans, the REAL K-Rod is E-Rod!

Carpet Lint

04-05-2007, 12:01 PM

Also...we're all of the consensus that Joe Mauer should have been the AL MVP last year over Jeter and Morneau right?

Dude was the MLB batting champ and had a .936 OPS...AND HE'S A FUCKING CATCHER. And a GOOD catcher too - threw out 38% of baserunners, and will no doubt win a string of Gold Gloves once Ivan Rodriguez gets old.

Once again...HE IS A CATCHER.

AL catchers averaged .271/.332/.417 in the MLB last year. Mauer hit .347/.429/.507...70 points higher in BA, 100 points higher in OBP, 100 points higher in SLG. His OPS was 187 points higher than average at that position. And he was also well above average (at least top five in the league) defensively as well, in the most crucial defensive position in baseball.

Average AL first basemen hit .280/.352/.467...Morneau hit .321/.375/.559. +40 BA, +20 OBP, +100 SLG (okay, that's a lot), and played below average defense, in a corner infield spot. He beat the average first baseman by 115 points.

Morneau's OPS was actually lower than Mauer's - Mauer actually out hit the average AL first baseman, but HE IS A CATCHER.

Again...baseball's awards mean absolutely nothing. I know I mentioned Mauer being a Gold Glove candidate...but even that means nothing. I mean last year, Torii Hunter won again even though he's a shell of what he once was, and Jeter won his third straight. DEREK JETER.

(Also, somewhat unrelated, but Greg Maddux has won an NL Gold Glove in 14 out of the last 15 years. That is ridiculous.)

Baseball awards (with the exception of when Roy Halladay won a Cy Young in 2003, GO JAYS!) are absolutely meaningless. ESPECIALLY the MVP award.

DaFlipMastaXV

04-05-2007, 12:03 PM

I still like Morneau over Mauer

Warpticon

04-05-2007, 12:16 PM

Thank you, Lint. I love baseball, but it's so ass backwards that it's ridiculous.

And yeah, Morneau was great last year, but he had no business winning the MVP.
He was about the fifth best option.

Not only the bullpen mate, but the whole pitching staff is bullshit right now. We shouldn't lose when we score 7 runs, wtf.

We need Buehrle to pitch a good game today, he has always been the leader of the staff and when he pitches good it seems the rest follow. I wasn't too happy about the Neal Cotts trade for Aardsma, I think the bullpen was overhyped this year, with everyone saying it was gonna be better than the '05 pen.

Anyways, the season hasn't started the way that I was hoping for, of course, but I still have high hopes for this season...

I hope you cherish '05, because the Sox have dumbed their way out of opportunities. I can't believe the manager actuallyl thinks the difference between 2005 and 2006 was not bunting more. Think maybe it had something to do with not having five starting pitchers all have career years at the same time? You scored 150 more runs bunting less last year; I'm a little disinclined to think that was the problem.

Baseball is so stupid.

.Free.

04-05-2007, 05:07 PM

Morphiend

04-05-2007, 05:35 PM

i don't understand how this fantasy league works? how do u win it? is it based on weekly stats or day by day stats? right now it says im losing to team yankees 6 to 5.

and I doubt jeter is going to win a gold glove this year. he already has 1 error. I really hate jeter and thinks he is the most overrated player in history. Let the hate roll

every day your players accumulate stats for you in the categories hits, rbis, hrs etc. at the end of the week. whoever does better in that stat category gets a "win" for that category. so say team yankees guys gets 13 hrs for him while your guys get you 10. that counts as a win for team yankees in that category. there are a total of 14 stats so if you win every stat category you win 14-0. so right now team yankees is leading in 6 categories and you're leading in 5. sunday night is the last day to add up your totals for the categories. so if you kept the same stats right now on sunday, you would have lost 6-5. that score goes to your record and then the stats are reset and you will play a new manager starting monday.

so be sure to set your lineups for every day of the week so that you get stats for that player.

.Free.

04-05-2007, 05:40 PM

thanks for the explaination^. that answerd all my questions.

And anyone see daisuke pitch today? he looked good but it was against the royals. so i'll wait to see him pitch against a good team, to decide if he's the real deal or not.

-Edit
Damn you Mike Piazza. And K-Rod for giving up the homerun. The angels better come back in the bottom of the 9th. We need the Fucking RalLY MONKEY!!!!!

-Double edit
damn you mike sciossia for trying to steal 2nd base with 2 outs bottom of the ninth. i hate losing the game being thrown out tyring to steal. just let the guy hit the ball

fei long

04-05-2007, 10:22 PM

Hahaha...so unwitty that it actually orbits all the way around the World of Wit, hits you in the back of the head, and it becomes witty again.

Dice-K? More like...Dice-GAY.

QUALITY

haha

its hard to hate on him when hes always smiling and bowing down to his teammates...just a likable guy....and did you guys see him do jumping jacks after a KC batter stepped out of the box, and the KC fans boo'ed his ass? funny shit

that A's offense looks so weak outside of piazza swisher and sometimes milton..

-edit
no substance rubbing for k-rod no unhittable pitches!!!! jk jk

akumatrunigga

04-06-2007, 12:31 PM

thanks for the explaination^. that answerd all my questions.

And anyone see daisuke pitch today? he looked good but it was against the royals. so i'll wait to see him pitch against a good team, to decide if he's the real deal or not.

You cant say that about him at all. I bet that if he pitched bad against them then you and the rest of the media will be blasting him saying that he is overratted.

JEEZ!!!!! im afraid the O's may go 0-10 b4 they get there first win!!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! Why the fuck we picked up the yankees scraps!!!!

Night

04-06-2007, 01:46 PM

Gotta give Dice-K at least a season to pass judgment even if he does well this season. No hitters have really seen his stuff yet so after a while when hitters have gotten used to seeing him, namely the AL East teams since they'll see him the most, they'll adjust to him, and then we'll see how he'll readjust to that to truly see how he turns out.

.Free.

04-07-2007, 03:55 AM

^ yeah i think it's gonna be kinda like hideo nomo. his first year, the players didn't know what to expect but then they later found out. cuz he did real good his first years

.Free.

04-08-2007, 02:26 AM

these fucking games being cancelled and postponed are killing my fantasy teams. just play in the snow u wimps.

04-08-2007, 09:42 AM

So like, A-Rod came through in the clutch big time yesterday. I'm just gonna go on a limb and say it was for personal stats, but it accidentally won the game. And damn, Igawa is blowing up in my face. Yeesh. I'm gonna say it again: Japanese pitching is overrated.

Warpticon

04-08-2007, 10:31 AM

Please tell me you are not serious.

D-Force

04-09-2007, 07:04 PM

Brad Lidge is done. He was never the same ever since Pujols hit that home run off of him in the 2005 NLCS.

That ball is probably in orbit by now. :lol:

.Free.

04-10-2007, 04:35 PM

yeah sux for lidge. i wonder if he's gonna end up like Rick Ankiel(Pitcher for the Cardinals) He was really good, hit somone.. then he couldn't find the plate, and just walked everyone so he's in the minors somewhere now.

Night

04-10-2007, 04:43 PM

I read reports that Lidge was stumbling even before the 2005 NLCS, it's just that the Pujols homerun probably iced it. No idea what happened to that guy... I really liked him too. He had sick stuff, but now he's demoted and Dan Wheeler is the Houston closer.

And wow, what a turnaround for A/K/E-Rod. I guess he's back to being just A-Rod for now! What sucks for players and their outlook to the fans is that they're only as good as their last at-bat pretty much. People are probably forgetting that A-Rod once had 3 homers and 10 RBIs in one game in 2005! Heh, that was marked by some as "The day A-Rod became a Yankee" lol. If he can keep up this pace it's good, but when he starts to slump, then it all gets in his head, the fans get in his head and he'll be mess again when it REALLY counts in the playoffs... gotta hope that won't happen THIS time...!!!!

Against Me!

04-10-2007, 04:57 PM

WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK

K so it's been years since I've watched my beloved Orioles. I decided that it would be good fun see a game again for oldtimes sake. So I find the time of next game and set aside some time to kick back and watch. All set to go (drinks & food) I tune in to find.... Sports Center?! :annoy: WTF is this! So I'm pissed now because these assholes wasted my time. I'm on a mission to find out why I can't see my goddamn game.

Finally I find out that it's because the area I live is BLACKLISTED :annoy: :annoy: I'm thinking WHAT THE FUCK does that mean? I've never heard of a blacklist for sports before. So they say that this shit is to stop the local fans from watching it on TV instead of going to the ballpark, which is like alright... coo

EXCEPT I LIVE IN DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW FUCKING FAR THAT IS FROM BALTIMORE?!?!? THERE IS NO GODDAMN HOPE FOR ME TO WATCH MY TEAM. WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THE MLB SMOKING!!!! :annoy: :annoy: :annoy: I CAN'T EVEN WATCH MY SHITTY TEAM :annoy: :annoy: :annoy: NOT EVEN ON THE GODDAMN COMPUTER

did I use enough angry emoticons and caps to CONVEY MY FUCKING ANGER

edit: This has me pissed off. What kind of logic does the MLB have for having North Carolina blacklisted?! I'm trying to get back into baseball and I want to watch my team, but the MLB is fucking me over. I checked up on an Orioles message board and it turns out that I'm screwed unless I buy Dish TV...

.Free.

04-10-2007, 05:13 PM

damn cleveland. It's so cold in ohio right now that the indians have to play thier home games in the Brewers stadium.(not like california, where i walk by the pool today and theres a bunch of hot women tanning). WHat crap.. and the indians mascot is going down the slide... like when one of the brewers hit a homerun.....

damn angels and Ervin Santana is pitching like he got wasted the night before.. Come on California Angels..... u can do it!!! RALLY MONKEY

daydrinker

04-10-2007, 09:13 PM

WHat crap.. and the indians mascot is going down the slide... like when one of the brewers hit a homerun.....

damn angels and Ervin Santana is pitching like he got wasted the night before.. Come on California Angels..... u can do it!!! RALLY MONKEY

Haha, the Indians mascot going down the slide, that's some funny shit. Brewers stadium is really fucking nice, but then again Jacobs field isn't too bad either. Ervin Santana is so inconsistent, fuck I need the Indians to lose!!!! Can't blame Santana too much the Indians lineup is deadlier than I thought.

But on the very bright side, it looks lke the White Sox pitching staff is getting back on track, a nice game by Contreras yesterday and now a gem by Garland today, good shit. Danks and Vasquez looked really good too, and I have a lot of faith in Buerhle to step up after that small injury. Yup, things are looking good...

Go White Sox!!!

Edit: As for A-rod, I bet he wins the MVP this year, though I hope not. It's stupid how much some Yankee fans hate on this guy.

.Free.

04-10-2007, 10:15 PM

OMFG did sciossia not learn anything... Again he tries to steal second base with 2 out in the bottom of the ninth... and the angels lose again on being thrown out trying to steal a base.... guy on first and the guy at bat is hitting 4 for 4......... trying to get him into scoring position but fuck.. let the guy hit the ball damn you mike scioossa or however you spell you name and your small ball.

04-11-2007, 07:41 AM

Edit: As for A-rod, I bet he wins the MVP this year, though I hope not. It's stupid how much some Yankee fans hate on this guy.

He's hated by us because he's a drama queen that can't seem to go without the spotlight. That, and the fact that he allows the pressure to get to him and fails to produce in the clutch(see the last three playoffs featuring the Astonishing A-Rod). He does seem to be a lot more focused at the plate this year and I'm starting to believe it's not a corked bat and he really wants to win. But at the end of the day, he's really a numbers guy. If you read the Sports Illustrated article about him last year, it's there. The guy can recant his season stats like nothing. He's too focused on himself when he should be focused on winning WITH the team and not by himself.

But yeah, I think he's a lot more focused this year. And two stellar pitching performances back to back by Pavano and Dandy Andy. Hopefully Mike(MY BOY!) Mussina won't fuck it up. Abreu is just too strong. He is the true RBI machine of this Yankee line-up. And look! Melky got a hit! AND it was an RBI no less. AND he's playing a solid left field. And Kevin Thompson getting 2 RBIs with that nice double. Maybe it was the cold weather after all.

AND HAH!!!! Take THAT Linty! Frank Thomas and Vernon Wells go for a combined 1 for 8(no RBIs). And your boy Josh Towers gets tagged up for 3 runs and allows 10 hits.

3-way tie for first already and it's not even the end of April. Boston/Toronto/NY: The AL East may be the division to watch this year.

Warpticon

04-11-2007, 08:50 AM

He's hated by us because he's a drama queen that can't seem to go without the spotlight. That, and the fact that he allows the pressure to get to him and fails to produce in the clutch(see the last three playoffs featuring the Astonishing A-Rod). He does seem to be a lot more focused at the plate this year and I'm starting to believe it's not a corked bat and he really wants to win. But at the end of the day, he's really a numbers guy. If you read the Sports Illustrated article about him last year, it's there. The guy can recant his season stats like nothing. He's too focused on himself when he should be focused on winning WITH the team and not by himself.

Why can't you count?

I don't hate any sports team, not even the Yankees, but I'm so sick of these pussy-ass Yankee fans who pin everything on A-Rod because they don't know shit about baseball.

Yeah, A-Rod doesn't want to win--that's why he left Texas, right? That's why the best shortstop in baseball moved to third base to accomodate Captain Intangibles--because he didn't want to win, right? He doesn't care about winning because he knows his own stats? What the fuck is that shit? Get that new age hippy bullshit the fuck out of here. He can't go without the spotlight? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU HAVE PLAYING SHORTSTOP, MOTHERFUCKER? Do you think David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez don't care about their stats? Funny, I think Boston won with them anyway! Go figure! And I love it when nobody ass motherfuckers start trying to psychoanalyze strangers they see on TV. He needs to focus on winning with the team! Instead of by himself! I know because I've been in his brain! English, motherfucker, do you speak it? That shit doesn't even make sense. What the fuck is "winning with the team"? I don't know if you noticed, but if A-Rod produces, IT HELPS THE TEAM WIN. If he doesn't produce, in the so-called clutch or otherwise, IT DOESN'T. This is BASEBALL. You don't get assists at the fucking plate. You can't throw a chop block for a guy coming around third. You hit the fucking ball, and run. All this fairy tale bullshit needs to stop. I can't believe these are the same motherfuckers that forgave Giambi for DOING STEROIDS (while making 20 mil a year, by the way--but A-Rod can't fall short ever because he's so high paid! Eat a bowl of dicks).

Oh, and here's some facts about A-Rod's playoff performance that didn't come from cattle rectum:

2004: A-Rod hit .421/.476/.737 in the ALDS, and followed that up with .258/.378/.516 in the ALCS. Captain Intangibles, by comparison, hit .316/.350/.526, and followed that up with an abysmal .200./.333/.233. Jeter didn't even show up, but somehow, a teamwide meltdown turned into the Kill A-Rod-fest, while Jeter, as always, escapes scot-free from any criticism. He also put up a monstrous .409/.480/.773 against the Yankees in the 2000 playoffs, but since nobody else showed up, they lost. Seemed pretty "cluch" then, so did he just forget how to be clutch? Now, he did suck in '05 and '06 for a grand total of 29 at-bats between them. Anybody can suck for a short period of time, just like Jeter did. But get your fucking facts right. Why the fuck to I know more about your team than you do?

Fucking Yankees fans.

DaFlipMastaXV

04-11-2007, 09:10 AM

3-way tie for first already and it's not even the end of April. Boston/Toronto/NY: The AL East may be the division to watch this year.

Next year when Cabrera/Bedard/Loewen get one year better, it will TRULY be the division to watch.

This year the Central is just a little bit tougher. Next year it shouldn't be a contest.

Also I agree with the above poster. I'm much more of a Yankee fan than a Red Sox fan, but fans who hate A-Rod for not showing up in the playoffs is really retarded. They couldn't beat the Angels because of pitching, or the Tigers, or the Marlins, not because A-rod had a bad average.

His best moment will always be trying to hit Arroyo's (I think it was him) glove and jarring the ball loose. Then his priceless look when he got called out. That should show he wants to win :D

04-11-2007, 09:41 AM

He can't go without the spotlight? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU HAVE PLAYING SHORTSTOP, MOTHERFUCKER?

There's your answer. He want's the glory when he knows the one guy standing in his way is playing Shortstop.

I can't believe these are the same motherfuckers that forgave Giambi for DOING STEROIDS (while making 20 mil a year, by the way--but A-Rod can't fall short ever because he's so high paid! Eat a bowl of dicks).

Unfortunately for you, I was one of those fans that didn't like Giambi since his Oakland days. I always figured the Yankees could do without him. He's a shitty first baseman.

Oh, and here's some facts about A-Rod's playoff performance that didn't come from cattle rectum:

2004: A-Rod hit .421/.476/.737 in the ALDS, and followed that up with .258/.378/.516 in the ALCS. Captain Intangibles, by comparison, hit .316/.350/.526, and followed that up with an abysmal .200./.333/.233. Jeter didn't even show up, but somehow, a teamwide meltdown turned into the Kill A-Rod-fest, while Jeter, as always, escapes scot-free from any criticism. He also put up a monstrous .409/.480/.773 against the Yankees in the 2000 playoffs, but since nobody else showed up, they lost. Seemed pretty "cluch" then, so did he just forget how to be clutch? Now, he did suck in '05 and '06 for a grand total of 29 at-bats between them. Anybody can suck for a short period of time, just like Jeter did. But get your fucking facts right. Why the fuck to I know more about your team than you do?

Fucking Yankees fans.

Ok, so I guess you got me there with 2004. And even then, I was blaming the entire team for dropping the ball on that one. And that was all thanks to Mariano Rivera. He gave up those runs in the 9th and the next 4 games were all down to the pitching staff. 2005 and 2006 were horrible, though. You can't deny that.

See, but where Jeter lacks in offense, he makes up with defense. Jeter isn't there to put up astronomical numbers. His job is to get on base and have batters 3, 4, and 5 bring him in.

I'm loving your post, too. At this rate, I'll keep bashing A-Rod if you're gonna go nuts about it.

DaFlipMasterIV: The Yankees could've beaten the Angels in 2005. We took them all the way to 5 games. That's a fucking accomplishment compared to 2002 where the Angels pitching just dominated. 2005 wasn't as hot for Angels pitching. It's just that the Yankees bullpen and the lack of hitting in the clutch is what brought us down. Let's not forget A-Rod hacking at everything he saw(Just for you Warpticon).

Against the Tigers: Same scenario. We lost because our pitching couldn't keep up. Yeah, the Tigers had a shitload of young arms. Our offense just went to sleep after that first game. And even when we got our men on base, shit wouldn't happen at all.

Against the Marlins(sans A-Rod): I felt that we had that, but Wells back spazzing out on him threw us waaaaaaaay off. And look at what we threw out there on the mound: Jeff Weaver. And adding to that, Juan Pierre just killed us. We couldn't stop their running game at all. The pitching was good between Beckett and Willis.

And at the end of the day, regardless, if A-Rod wants to win he should get some sort of rally started rather than killing it. He was swinging at shit that shouldn't even be swung at. Just look at last night's at-bat in the 8th. He would have normally swung at those sinkers in the dirt. He didn't. A-Rod was hacking too much rather than taking the walk. I'd rather him take the walk, than go out swinging at something that is impossible to hit.

DaFlipMastaXV

04-11-2007, 09:54 AM

A-Rod is human. He has the same tendencies as everyone else, he isn't a god or anything. He wasn't getting a lot of breaks, which caused him to force the issue, which resulted in bad hitting.

To give two examples, in poker when you run bad, or take a bad beat, everyone tends to get it back, by playing more hands, and palying irrationally. Most times, it ends bad.

In basketball, when a shooter starts off bad, they tend to make more shots, eventually it'll turn around, but sometimes it doesn't, and they end up having a 1-13 day with like 8 points.

I can't recall the other two series, but I do remember A-Rod hitting the ball pretty hard against Detroit, and getting nowhere. Then he started hacking, then he got dropped to 8th, and he finished off terrible.

The thing with slumps is that eventually all of them go away. In an ALDS, there isn't as much time as with other sports to break out of that slump. Which is why A-Rod tends to have some pretty bad series. I don't think it's something you can just bust out of, which is what makes Baseball playoffs really random. It's not just about being "clutch" and being cool under pressure, it's also about getting the breaks. The last couple years, A-Rod hasn't gotten them. In the 90s, I can't even begin to imagine how lucky the Yankees have been. They caught a lot of breaks. Nowadays, they are pretty unlucky in the playoffs.

There's a lot of luck involved in MLB playoffs. It's what makes it exciting to watch. I don't think Detroit was any more clutch in the playoffs, their pitchers just managed to heat up. Same with Chicago's pitching.

I don't think A-Rod is as unclutch as most people think. If he gets to the playoffs, he will eventually heat up, and you guys will love him again. Just look at Peyton Manning.

Also about A-Rod starting rallies, he hits in a spot where it's really tough to start rallies. He either keeps them going or he kills it. A cleanup hitter's job isn't to start rallies, it's to clean up the bases, or score yourself with a HR. It's not to have a .450 OBP so your #6-7 hitters can bring them in.

BruceLB

04-11-2007, 09:56 AM

See, but where Jeter lacks in offense, he makes up with defense. .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh man...wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Jeter was very bad defensively for a long time. Now, he's merely slightly below average.

He's defense is immensely overrated. The Gold Glove award is a joke.

Warpticon

04-11-2007, 10:07 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh man...wait.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Jeter was very bad defensively for a long time. Now, he's merely slightly below average.

He's defense is immensely overrated. The Gold Glove award is a joke.

Haha, you got to it before me. DS, you should do stand up, you're funny as hell.

04-11-2007, 10:19 AM

I can't recall the other two series, but I do remember A-Rod hitting the ball pretty hard against Detroit, and getting nowhere. Then he started hacking, then he got dropped to 8th, and he finished off terrible.

See, but that's my beef. At that time, he was getting the hits, but with no man on base. So it's like, yeah, he got out of a semi-funk, but then there's no man on to drive them home. We left so many men on base that series, it was ridiculous.

The thing with slumps is that eventually all of them go away. In an ALDS, there isn't as much time as with other sports to break out of that slump. Which is why A-Rod tends to have some pretty bad series. I don't think it's something you can just bust out of, which is what makes Baseball playoffs really random. It's not just about being "clutch" and being cool under pressure, it's also about getting the breaks. The last couple years, A-Rod hasn't gotten them. In the 90s, I can't even begin to imagine how lucky the Yankees have been. They caught a lot of breaks. Nowadays, they are pretty unlucky in the playoffs.

That was another thing about A-Rod. He let the pressure get to him. It's not easy playing in New York. There's always gonna be pressure. We're used to winning. This year, he seems to be operating without that pressure and not giving a fuck anymore. He's serious this year. Which is awesome. The last thing we need is Emo A-Rod swinging the bat. He's calmer and is taking pitches and sees the ball a lot better than he did last year. I mean seriously, look at his stats from last year. WTF? He finished the season batting around .260 and STILL had a helluva year. Over 30 homeruns and over 110 RBIs.

I would love for this year to be his lucky break. He really DOES deserve it. But fuck, his slumps happen at the worst time of the year: October.

There's a lot of luck involved in MLB playoffs. It's what makes it exciting to watch. I don't think Detroit was any more clutch in the playoffs, their pitchers just managed to heat up. Same with Chicago's pitching.

Considering that the Yankees never got the lead in last year's ALDS, the Tigers didn't need to be clutch at all. Marcus Thames was just a beast. Their bottom three made our top 5 look like little leaguers.

I don't think A-Rod is as unclutch as most people think. If he gets to the playoffs, he will eventually heat up, and you guys will love him again. Just look at Peyton Manning.

It's not a hate for A-Rod from my end. But, it's a dislike that I have with him. Let your skills do the talking, not your mouth. Nobody cares about what's going on between you and Jeter(at the time of the events). Just shut up and play ball. And that's what he seems to be doing this year. He's gonna have an MVP year. No one in their right mind could even say that A-Rod is not one of the greatest baseball players alive. NO ONE can make that transition from shortstop to 3B easily. Even Cal Ripken Jr. admitted it himself.

04-11-2007, 10:27 AM

He's defense is immensely overrated. The Gold Glove award is a joke.

Haha, you got to it before me. DS, you should do stand up, you're funny as hell.

Right. Because I praised him and considered him the greatest shortstop of all time. :rolleyes:

Never said he was God at his position, but he plays it fairly well.

jae hoon

04-11-2007, 10:33 AM

Right. Because I praised him and considered him the greatest shortstop of all time. :rolleyes:

Never said he was God at his position, but he plays it fairly well.

Defensively A Rod is actually a better Shortstop then Jeter is, that being said its Jeter and there is no way he is changing positions.

If you really want to see why A Rod commited so many errors last year just look at most of his arm angles from the years before and last year.

I have said this for years, this whole A Rod isnt a true yankee thing is fucking stupid. Does he play for the Yankees? Then he is a true Yankee, and I dont want to hear this bs about how he never did anything in the playoffs. Donny baseball didnt either

BruceLB

04-11-2007, 10:46 AM

Never said he was God at his position, but he plays it fairly well.

No, no he doesn’t. You said what he lacks in offense he makes up for in defense, which is funny because it's actually the other way around.

Warpticon

04-11-2007, 10:51 AM

Right. Because I praised him and considered him the greatest shortstop of all time. :rolleyes:

Never said he was God at his position, but he plays it fairly well.

If fairly well means average, sure. Jeter was consistently well below average defensively at shortstop for years. He didn't get back to average until he got a spare shortstop playing with him on the right side of the infield. To talk about him like he's freaking Ozzie Smith and any offense he provides is just a bonus is the height of delusion.

So, in conclusion, nothing you said here:

See, but where Jeter lacks in offense, he makes up with defense. Jeter isn't there to put up astronomical numbers. His job is to get on base and have batters 3, 4, and 5 bring him in.

Is true at all.

* Jeter does not lack in offense, and he certainly doesn't make anything up in defense. he has to be offensively productive to be valuable.
* He doesn't get paid 20mil a year to play average defense and get bunt singles. He's paid that way to be one of the best offensive players at his position in baseball history, which he is, and to hopefully be at least average with the glove.
* How is hitting .200 "getting on base and having batters 3, 4, and 5 bring him in?" Hint: it's not. At all.

Also, you beef with A-Rod for getting hits with nobody on base in '04. Remind me, does Jeter hit before or after A-Rod? Oh, before, right. So, Jeter (among others) doesn't get on base, and somehow its' A-Rod's fault that he can't knock him in from the dugout. Right.

Fucking Yankees fans.

jae hoon

04-11-2007, 10:56 AM

Jeter isnt bad defensively guys, he isnt Ozzie Smith but he isnt Miguel Tejada(who because of injuries isnt a very good defensive SS). Jeter still makes the routine plays and he hustles.

I like Jeter I just dont understand the whole A Rod isnt a true Yankee thing, that has to be the dumbest shit I ever heard.

04-11-2007, 11:00 AM

If fairly well means average, sure. Jeter was consistently well below average defensively at shortstop for years. He didn't get back to average until he got a spare shortstop playing with him on the right side of the infield. To talk about him like he's freaking Ozzie Smith and any offense he provides is just a bonus is the height of delusion.

But nowhere in my post did I go saying that Jeter is anywhere near Ozzie Smith in terms of defense. I never glorified Jeter as a shortstop because I know there are better shortstops in the league than him. He's good, but he's not the greatest.

* Jeter does not lack in offense, and he certainly doesn't make anything up in defense. he has to be offensively productive to be valuable.

An error on my part. Game situation where he isn't hitting, he'll step up his defense.

* He doesn't get paid 20mil a year to play average defense and get bunt singles. He's paid that way to be one of the best offensive players at his position in baseball history, which he is, and to hopefully be at least average with the glove.

See above.

Also, you beef with A-Rod for getting hits with nobody on base in '04. Remind me, does Jeter hit before or after A-Rod? Oh, before, right. So, Jeter (among others) doesn't get on base, and somehow its' A-Rod's fault that he can't knock him in from the dugout. Right.

Fucking Yankees fans.

That's the thing though, I'm referring to him snapping out of the funks at the wrong moment. Everybody is hitting, A-Rod all of sudden got into a funk and just throws away a good opportunity to do some damage.

jae hoon

04-11-2007, 11:05 AM

04-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Deathsythe come on, last year was A Rods worst year in along time and he still hit .280 with 40 plus hr and 100 plus rbis. Most guys would love to have that season for ONE YEAR, never the less his whole freaking career.

Oh, I made mention of that in one of the posts(response to DaFlipMasterXV). Anyone would kill for those numbers. I'm just talking about his hitting funks. That's what worries the most about a guy like A-Rod. Yeah, he did all that in a hitting funk(which is fucking scary), but they never seem to go away come playoff time.

As I said before, he seems to be a lot more focused this year and sees the ball a lot better. When he took that walk in the 8th last night, it was different. He knew where the pitches were going to hit and he didn't swing at those sinkers like he always did. He's more relaxed. Which is great. Which explains that monster of a week he's had already.

Warpticon

04-11-2007, 05:44 PM

But nowhere in my post did I go saying that Jeter is anywhere near Ozzie Smith in terms of defense. I never glorified Jeter as a shortstop because I know there are better shortstops in the league than him. He's good, but he's not the greatest.

An error on my part. Game situation where he isn't hitting, he'll step up his defense.

Dude, you said he made up for his offense with his defense. There's no other way to look at it. You have to be exceptional defensively for that sentence to ever apply.

.Free.

04-11-2007, 07:06 PM

man this pitcher for the mariners is gold.. felix hernandex i think his name is. 21 years old and shutting down teams.. almost no hit the red sox.. only gave up one hit it was broken up in the 8th inning and his first outing was good also. I want him on my FANTASY TEAM!!!!!!

I like the media giving arod crap because he was tanning in a public park with his shirt off... New york Media FTW...
Arod is real good... i hate jeter.... just cuz jeter is overrated, jeter has a gun on him though

Nexx

04-12-2007, 06:35 PM

Did he put up the same numbers as Pudge did when he won the MVP?

Also...we're all of the consensus that Joe Mauer should have been the AL MVP last year over Jeter and Morneau right?

Dude was the MLB batting champ and had a .936 OPS...AND HE'S A FUCKING CATCHER. And a GOOD catcher too - threw out 38% of baserunners, and will no doubt win a string of Gold Gloves once Ivan Rodriguez gets old.

Once again...HE IS A CATCHER.

AL catchers averaged .271/.332/.417 in the MLB last year. Mauer hit .347/.429/.507...70 points higher in BA, 100 points higher in OBP, 100 points higher in SLG. His OPS was 187 points higher than average at that position. And he was also well above average (at least top five in the league) defensively as well, in the most crucial defensive position in baseball.

Average AL first basemen hit .280/.352/.467...Morneau hit .321/.375/.559. +40 BA, +20 OBP, +100 SLG (okay, that's a lot), and played below average defense, in a corner infield spot. He beat the average first baseman by 115 points.

Morneau's OPS was actually lower than Mauer's - Mauer actually out hit the average AL first baseman, but HE IS A CATCHER.

Again...baseball's awards mean absolutely nothing. I know I mentioned Mauer being a Gold Glove candidate...but even that means nothing. I mean last year, Torii Hunter won again even though he's a shell of what he once was, and Jeter won his third straight. DEREK JETER.

(Also, somewhat unrelated, but Greg Maddux has won an NL Gold Glove in 14 out of the last 15 years. That is ridiculous.)

Baseball awards (with the exception of when Roy Halladay won a Cy Young in 2003, GO JAYS!) are absolutely meaningless. ESPECIALLY the MVP award.

Strider2k2

04-12-2007, 07:28 PM

Joe Mauer totally deserved that AL MVP award. For playing a position that normally wouldn't be able to put up the numbers that he has is just mind-boggling. I disagree about Derek Jeter being overrated though. The guy IMO is the 2nd most valuable SS in all of baseball (1st is Jose Reyes)...i'll be glad to have Jeter on my fantasy squad any day.

Carpet Lint

04-12-2007, 07:36 PM

Jeter is actually rated as a pretty bad shortstop defensively in every objective statistical way there is for measuring defense.

Here's a random chart which essentially has a bunch of baseball nerds measuring every tracked ball hit near a shortstop during the 2006 season and whether or not that ball could have been fielded by an "average" defensive shortstop, and then seeing where the differences were.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/018636.php

Oddly enough, guys like Bill Hall and Khalil Greene are at the top...which seems really weird for me...but then you see guys like Everett and Counsell up there and it makes some sense again.

Still, Jeter fifth from the bottom...not a glowing endorsement of his defense.

But old school scouts and fans love him and his INTANGIBLES...so...I don't know.

Did he put up the same numbers as Pudge did when he won the MVP?
Ah, excellent question!

That would be a no, because Ivan Rodriguez's 1999 season was fucking ridiculous. I didn't know exactly how ridiculous until I actually checked the stats.

Did you know this already or are you honestly asking?

1999 Pudge - 32 homers, 113 RBI, .332/.356/.558 in 144 games.
2006 Mauer - 13 homers, 84 RBI, .347/.429/.507 in 140 games.

No stats for defense, but considering Pudge won the AL Gold Glove in 1999 (and 2006) let's say that he was at least equal to Mauer, maybe better - but for the sake of discussion let's say it was a wash.

So clearly Pudge won in the raw totals, and he absolutely raked the ball - that might have been one of the all time greatest seasons from a catcher not named Piazza. He killed Mauer in the flashy home run and RBI numbers, which the voters love.

...BUT....

Rate stats are a lot closer - Mauer actually did better with an OPS of 936 versus Pudge's 914. Pudge's 32 homers probably helped in the slugging percentage, but he didn't walk much at all - only 24 all year. Mauer on the other had a very unsexy 79 walks, which explains the insane OBP.

And if we use the ghetto version of runs created...'06 Mauer had 114 versus '99 Pudge's 120. Only 6 more runs over 140ish games...that's pretty close. I don't know how to calculate win shares and stuff like that, but that wouldn't be a big difference either. And keep in mind Pudge put those numbers in the crazy Steroid Era - he had a 125 adjusted OPS+ to Mauer's 144.

So actually...in terms of new school baseball statistics...pretty close.

Old school W-L, HR, RBI numbers...Pudge had much better flashier numbers. Voters don't care about walks.

Another thing to consider would be the competition. In 1999, Pudge was up against...
Pedro (23-4, 2.07 ERA, 0.92 walks, 213 IP, and an insane 313 strike-outs)
Roberto Alomar (24 HR, 120 RBI, 138 runs, 37 SB, .955 OPS with Gold Glove defense at 2B)
ManRam (44 HR, 165 RBI, 1.105 OPS, 151 runs created)
Rafael Palmeiro (47 HR, 148 RBI, 1.050 OPS, 151 runs created).
...which are just absolutely crazy seasons from everybody.

I don't have the average stats of what catchers hit in 1999, but Pudge won it over a bunch of guys who could have legitimately been the AL MVP's with little debate. Pudge had 252 points in voting, Pedro had 239, Alomar 226, Manny 226, and Raffy had 193. All pretty close.

Now in 2006...
320 points - Justin Morneau (34 HR, 130 RBI, .934 OPS, 125 runs created)
306 points - Derek Jeter (14 HR, 97 RBI, 118 runs, .900 OPS with bad defense at SS)
193 points - David Ortiz (54 HR, 137 RBI, 1.049 OPS, 146 runs created)
174 points - Frank Thomas (39 HR, 114 RBI)
156 points - Jermaine Dye (44 HR, 120 RBI)
116 points - Joe Mauer

Much less excuse to not giving Mauer the MVP.

I think Pudge deserves his 1999 AL MVP, but Mauer actually put up a very similar season in a less offensive era, against much scrubbier competition...and only finished 6th. Somehow, impossibly, baseball voters got even stupider. I think they're all old and senile now maybe. In 10 years time - or maybe even in like 3 years - NO ONE is going to remember that Justin Morneau was the 2006 AL MVP.

I mean, do you remember who won the 2005 Cy Young? Was it Johan Santana, the best pitcher in the world for the last three years? No, it was fatty Bartolo Colon and his 3.48 ERA.

In conclusion...I have no life.