Black Belts who can't do a thing

[Mizuki]

Okay, the past weekend, I went to my old taekwondo school, and it's probally been a year now since I quit (with good reasons, you'll get an idea soon) So I went to watch a 1st degree black belt test, with my friend, an ex-student, and an SRK'er (stop lurking Ken) So I went there with the intent on seeing some pretty crappy action (all the REALLY good and decent OG people were gone for college, life, etc.) And I got what I expected.

That shit was horrendous. It was more like a show (Can't even be an exhibition, it makes it sound good) The candidates were shitty, couldn't even do half the shit they needed to do. They had an endurance test, which was a piece of shit, they had to do 100 pushups, but they were humping the floor, or like not even bending their elbows. It was a damn piece of shit.

The "sparring" was HORRIBLE. This one pair of kids couldn't even kick each other, one kid was like standing a foot or two away from his opponet and flinging kicks, my friend asked "What the fuck are they doing over there?"

And I gave the obvious response, "He's whiffing attack to build meter"

When they were doing their self-defense techniques, it was so horrible I told my friend "Damn, they're not warriors, they're beginners" If I was testing with them, I'd break down and cry, I'm happy I got my belt before this bullshit.

Back when I tested, my generation had to do like 200 pushups, every technique we learned, about an hour of painful endurance (linking arms, and getting up, go on chest and back, then get up again) I felt like I truly deserved it.

And we found out all of them passed, the master IS corrupted by money, 600 dollars for a bogus test, and passing everyone of those shameful students, we were wondering if he feels any guilt on passing students who can't do their things. Myself, a 2nd degree black belt from that school, can probally pick off every one of the black belts there now, and shit honestly I'm not that great (I'm a forms, technique person).

But SRKGD, what are your responses to this shit. I feel like going over there and burning the school down.


Ken, if you see this post, stop lurking and expand on things I forgot.


p.s. I'm aware of a martial arts thread, and TOL, but I think this deserves it's own topic.

[BananaWeed]

Challenge them all to a tournament, and own their faces.

[MOD]

dude you graduated from a mcdojo. give yourself a hand.

IF you feel like getting answers to this problem you can go to one of my favorite other forums

http://www.bullshido.com

they are constantly battling myths and Ashida Kims in martial arts

[AKUMA2000]

The "sparring" was HORRIBLE. This one pair of kids couldn't even kick each other, one kid was like standing a foot or two away from his opponet and flinging kicks, my friend asked "What the fuck are they doing over there?"

And I gave the obvious response, "He's whiffing attack to build meter".


Priceless.....:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Mizuki]

Well, atleast I got an official certificate saying I'm 2nd degree black belt, and I am pretty decent actually, I'm also taking jujitsu, eskrima, and krav maga from another school, that is qualified (police officers, war veterans, must mean real thing, and some don't hold back )
And I'm thinking of entering into their home tournament, and going in there as single entry and whooping.

[DS]

Well, atleast I got an official certificate saying I'm 2nd degree black belt, and I am pretty decent actually, I'm also taking jujitsu, eskrima, and krav maga from another school, that is qualified (police officers, war veterans, must mean real thing, and some don't hold back )


Money match at EVO, son. My .45 vs. your feet. EVERYBODY IS GONNA GET SHOT AT EVO!!!!

[Rhio2k]

Lemme guess: the master is a fat guy who can barely lift his leg above hip level, isn't he? That's usually the case in Karate dojo around my area...I dunno about Taekwondo dojang.

[Mizuki]

Lemme guess: the master is a fat guy who can barely lift his leg above hip level, isn't he? That's usually the case in Karate dojo around my area...I dunno about Taekwondo dojang.

Actually no, he isn't too fat, back along time ago when I was there he actually went on the mat and taught, he did stuff with us, then slowly, I guess with the money he went, "fat"


Money match at EVO, son. My .45 vs. your feet. EVERYBODY IS GONNA GET SHOT AT EVO!!!!

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[Windlord0]

My personal feelings about TKD aside, this is the sad state of martial arts everywhere. More often than not the places are handing out ranks in exchange for money, and granting ranks that aren't deserved at all. Fucking 10 year old black belts. What happened to not allowing black belt tests until 16? I guess that's not as universal as I once thought.

If you got something positive out of the school when it was once good then count yourself lucky. I wouldn't stress over the crap students because the greatest reward is personal and they aren't really getting that.

[Mizuki]

Yeah, my generation was probally the LAST gen. to get something good out of it.

[FragMasterGen]

600 bucks for a test? ...and i was pissed when i first found out i had to pay $40 for a test

it must make for a shitty class if he wont even fail anybody. i mean, if you know ur not gonna fail then whats gonna push you that hard?

edit: belt tests in general seem to be bullshit. who gives a fuck what color your belt is, its all about how much ass you can whoop

[maxx]

i never realized how much of a mcdojo my old school was til i left..nice guy...but he let anything fly.

my current school steals students from mcdojo's...this one girl came to our school and was like..we never had to do push-ups..im like shit i wanna be lazy too let me sign up.

Mizuki: not every school is a pussy school, but the current generation is becoming soft and spoiled...not truly having to work...always finding an excuse for not accomplishing what should have been done the hard way. its the way the world works these days. but seriously 600 bucks man? jesus id quit right then and there.

[pherai]

Teaching karate is a business, and parents would be mad if after x amount of time their kid didn't get a black belt.

[maxx]

Teaching karate is a business, and parents would be mad if after x amount of time their kid didn't get a black belt.

the general rule is 4 years for a blackbelt. i've seen schools..my favorite school i go to summercamp for their average for black is sumtin like 7-8 years...im like damn yall are hardcore. thats loyalty.

[Pinion]

Teaching karate is a business, and parents would be mad if after x amount of time their kid didn't get a black belt.

And it's for reasons like that, that I think run of the mill schools for the martial arts are laughable. Especially, when it's a martial arts program geared towards children/young adults. Those to me just scream "SCAM!"

[maxx]

And it's for reasons like that, that I think run of the mill schools for the martial arts are laughable. Especially, when it's a martial arts program geared towards children/young adults. Those to me just scream "SCAM!"

it should be a requirement now to have some sort of mma/grappling program in every martial arts school. no school should exist a pure school, ie: no 100% pure tkd or karate, the only best martial artist is the one who is opened to his options and not limited by style.

[Lucretz]

You should of stood up and made some big ass scene yelling at the sensei and shit. "Do you teach any real shit at this school or are you just here to take people's money. You're a disgrace!" Then you could of challenged him and SWEPT THE LEG putting him out of commission. :tup:

[Tat guy]

Mine was like that. I got to green until I realized it was bullshit and I wasn't learning anything. I would've liked to learn from his teacher though. 50 over weight man who did perfect vertical roundhouse kicks. PSP stops story

Fuck TKD I wanted to learn Muy Thai anyways.

[True Grave]

$600 to take a test?!

WTF kinda "karate" class/dojo is that?

[evilj]

it should be a requirement now to have some sort of mma/grappling program in every martial arts school. no school should exist a pure school, ie: no 100% pure tkd or karate, the only best martial artist is the one who is opened to his options and not limited by style.

hey you know what you're talking about <3

[Allosaurus]

TKD Dojos are a dime a dozen now.

[AKUMA2000]

My personal feelings about TKD aside, this is the sad state of martial arts everywhere. More often than not the places are handing out ranks in exchange for money, and granting ranks that aren't deserved at all. Fucking 10 year old black belts. What happened to not allowing black belt tests until 16? I guess that's not as universal as I once thought.

If you got something positive out of the school when it was once good then count yourself lucky. I wouldn't stress over the crap students because the greatest reward is personal and they aren't really getting that.

:rofl: @ 10 year old black belts.......why stop there, give to them at age 5 or 6.

[J-ride]

Yeah, I think any school that does not have a large adult class or has the kids and the adults train together is a joke. Yeah, I'm gonna spar with a 11 year old, and I'm going to practice punching softly so no one gets hurt, because clearly there is no such thing as muscle memory and I will automatically know how to punch really hard when I have to fight for real, even though I have never been hit really hard, I am confident that I am prepared!


I left TMA (TKD BB FTL!) a long time ago, and I've since trained in wrestling, judo, Boxing and BJJ. My kids are NOT going to go to a Mcdojo. I want them to learn how to defend themselves, not get good cardio so they can be really in shape when they get their snotboxes knocked in. I'm sure there are good TMA schools out there, I've just yet to see one. Boxing gyms and wrestling clubs/grappling schools rarely ever have some fat guy who doesn't know his shit. Mostly because of the competition you have, it is hard for them to fake it.

[maxx]

TKD Dojos are a dime a dozen now.

lol i learned that the hard way..i dunno if it was worth leaving before my blackbelt..i mean i would have gotten it within two years...i was gonna switch to my current school eventually, but then again, it feels more gratifying to know..when i do get my black belt...it will be worth it..ill know i earned this shit.

god damn im scared for sept. my birthday and blackbelt test all in the same month.

[ShawnLoganownzu]

for starters, im a black belt in Shorin-Ryu, of course i got that when i was like 13 (8 years ago)

if you are saying, getting a black belt at such a young age is bad, well, the shit we had to do then, i couldnt do today lol....if what Mizuki is describing is a "Black Belt" test, thats a shame to all forms of martial arts. Its like giving away something that actually has a meaning. I take pride into what i worked hard for, and when someone addresses me in a dojo its as "Sensei", i dont give a shit who you are once you enter onto the mat. (unless they are highest rank ;p)


paying $600 for a test is highway fucking robbery, i think my parents paid like $60. hell i tested with a kid who had failed 3 times already. Most kids failed at least once, usually on the physical part.

I had to do 250 puchups, bare knuckle, on carpet, and if u slacked on one pushup you got a kendo stick in the back. my knuckles were raw after, and you couldnt roll your knuckles to use the non hurt ones.

250 situps, common, not a problem.

run 2 miles. not bad, but kind of a bitch cause you are timed, every second behind whatever random number they give you eveyr lap is 5 push ups more.


now for kicks, 50 repetitions of each kick (front, roundhouse, side,) with both legs over a bar at waist level... that shit sucked, you hit the stick, x amount of pushups again.. by this point you want to quit


next, spar against 3 people... at once... you in the middle, they surround you and punch/kick away and you fight back.


finally you get a 5 minute break after all this... yes all of this was one after the other, with no breaks at all!

after time was up, you start going through all material you have learned since you began.. mess up and BAM kendo stick. Fist isnt tight, BAM kendo stick. If your shit doesnt look good and sharp, BAM kendo stick. Hell if your GI became messy and you did not fix it, BAM.

ill never forget that day, i have the upmost respect for my instructors and peers at that time. I still remember all my training too, it has help in real life before even years and years after. It was like a true family then, they cared about more than money. My instructor was a former world champion kickboxer as well, dude was badass lol.


you cant run tests like this on kids these days, they are such pussies. wait until they get in a real fight and get fucked up.

[Allosaurus]

TKD is overrated anyways. It's all about Muay Thai.

[Pinion]

Fucking 10 year old black belts. What happened to not allowing black belt tests until 16?

I want them to learn how to defend themselves, not get good cardio so they can be really in shape when they get their snotboxes knocked in.

Oh dear God, don't even get me started on that. See, I know a kid who goes to a after-school martial arts class and from what I've seen it's just laughable. Guy running it has a beer gut and a 14 year old black belt assistant (naturally it's his nephew or some shit).

Bad enough the class consists mostly of "Practice your kicks!" but I could wreck that 14 year old nephew's shit any day of the week. Only good thing that I've seen come out of that class is the fact that the kid I know has a semi-boosted self esteem because of it; which in it's out right isn't even all that great cause it's grounded in a false sense of security.

I've never practiced martial arts, but even I know that kind of shit is foul and a waste of money.

[ShawnLoganownzu]

on another note, for those who have taken BJJ and grappling, about how much did you pay and how often did you train? im interested in getting back into training, but just trying to get a quick idea of how much time/money it takes

[SunocO]

Snip

Snip

I want your AVs

[aa_overmind]

Break Dance Fighting > every other martial arts

[Allosaurus]

Hokuto Shinken > every other martial arts

Fixed.

[MOD]

It's all about Muay Thai.

The TRUTH

[Tat guy]

Break Dance Fighting > every other martial arts


Drunken Boxing?

[KStella55]

I remember taking Tae Kwan Doe when I was really young (7-10). That shit was hard, if you would goof around or do something stupid while sparring it was 1000 jumping jacks and 500 push ups.

I did though have a great advantage at my age because of my size, but I had my egotastic trip to whatever is after a green belt shot down. I got my ass beat by a girl, and a swollen eye. I eventually quit do to the fact that the old fart quit and we had this fat red headed chick take over. It all went downhill from there.

I probably won't take any of my children to a Martial Art convention, to much money and to time consuming nowadays. Boxing would be a good thing to learn about though, it really pushes the limits of a body. I wouldn't say though that its easier than Martial Arts.

[MOD]

As far as conditioning, Northern Shaolin is nothing to fuck with. holy hell.

[Vic Viper]

I remember taking karate classes back in my freshman year of high school. The farthest I got to was 1st degree Brown Belt, which is almost Black Belt. The Black Belt requirements required splits, and I think 200 push up, and I know I couldn't do some of these. So I stopped there.

I also wished I took up weapon classes. Right now, I'm trying to watch some nunchuck lessons on YouTube from this dude:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kongg

[Mizuki]

I want your AVs

Why do you think you deserve to be in team Lolidansen?


Anyways, I got a threader, and unstitched my master's name on my black belt.

[FragMasterGen]

on another note, for those who have taken BJJ and grappling, about how much did you pay and how often did you train? im interested in getting back into training, but just trying to get a quick idea of how much time/money it takes

price all depends on the individual school that you choose to go to, but its inherently bound to be cheaper than most other martial arts because all you need is a gi (and mouthpiece if you want). As opposed to buying different types of gloves, shin/instep guards, weapons, and all those belt tests.

as for the time it takes; one really cool thing about bjj is how quickly you improve if you keep at it, mainly because you do A LOT of sparring (which is really just wrestling but with a bjj emphasis) since theres almost no risk of serious injury once you and your opponent understand you need to rely on technique and not strength. serious injuries only seem to happen when beginners get tense, try too hard and end up cranking on someones neck the wrong way

[Hwoarvang]

F that. Instructors should be giving out free lessons.

I did a few months of TKD years ago and quit right before school mostly because it was getting way too expensive. I still have the few basics of throwing out a kick, all is not so bad afterall.

I still can't believe the instructor paired me up with this thick african dude for praticing kicks. The force went through my ribcage on every kick.

[pherai]

it should be a requirement now to have some sort of mma/grappling program in every martial arts school. no school should exist a pure school, ie: no 100% pure tkd or karate, the only best martial artist is the one who is opened to his options and not limited by style.

I don't know about that. Learning martial arts isn't purely to become a better fighter. I just think its silly that a 10 year old is a black belt. The way I see it, a black belt is (or should be) a master of the style. Giving it out to any person who wants to get in shape and does it for 4 years makes it lose a lot of its prestige. If I ever got into martial arts again, I'd prefer them not to give out any belts or anything (or I'll just wear a rope instead) because I'm really more interested in improving my skills, not changing the color of my belt.

[Mizuki]

I seriously took taekwondo lessons honestly I have no idea when I first started when I was in 5th grade. But we had masters come in from Korea, and some taught like they were still there (Back in my generation, the good gen.) and it was wonderful. Not to be bragging or conceited, but I quickly go to be one of the best students ther who was able to have a nice fortified structure and basis for doing the forms and techniques. I mean I was invited to the demonstration team way earlier than what was allowed at the time.

Many of the masters spent time with me after class (no homo you sick fucks) to practice and I won many tournaments, (I entered into poomse tourneys belts above me and won gold all the time, sparring I usually got bronze or whatnot.) I was probably the LAST best person who was there to perform the forms nice and smooth and precise, maybe even the last best person there. But I had idols within my generation, or the generation before me, I had many people to look up to who were much better than I was, and probably still am.

p.s. when I talk about generation, I mean the black belts before me, since black belt tests happen every 6-7 months

[scrubydan]

just how many times do i have to say, tkd sucks? seriously

[Mizuki]

^^^
it does, Krav ftw

[ninja sentinel]

Although I did some Karate and Vovienam, I consider most Martial arts like art. Judo and Jujitsu are the only Martial Arts I respect.


Mizuki: what's Krav? :confused:

[Okazaki III]

^^^
it does, Krav ftw

I have been interested in Krav Maga as well, i spend some time in Israel as well but not near enough to look round for instructors. How do you know they won't do the same shit like your ex TKD school? Or is it the one you mean wit the ex militairi and policemen?

[Yoshi21]

This is nothing new. You think you were the so called "last generation" of greats where martial arts used to be "hardcore", but it was just the same back way before your time.

Like excersiing, you get what you put into it. Most people there for instructors to make money. its business.

[Dasiatic]

Money match at EVO, son. My .45 vs. your feet. EVERYBODY IS GONNA GET SHOT AT EVO!!!!

lol.

yeah, im willing to throw this one out to you guys:
being a black does'nt mean a thing when a hungry, hungry mean, crack head gets at you for no reason.

not disrespecting you guys, but what im saying is that you dont NEED to be a black belt. and throwing out random katas/stances before you engage in a street-fight wont get you anywhere but 6-feet deep/hospital.

I dont know why being able to memorize stances and routines brings you up a rank. I just cant understand that. maybe its because im coming from a JKD point of view.

[J Blaze]

I have also experienced this phenomennon in my school. I think as the instructor gets older, he mellows out. Also, the sad reality is that martial arts are increasingly being treated as businesses.

The only consolation I came come up with, is that people do martial arts for different reasons. Maybe it used to be just about kicking ass, but as martial arts have been getting increasingly popular, you now have a much more diverse crowd. You could have 40-50 year olds join the dojo and at their point in life probably just looking to increase fitness and health...they could never do the 100+ pushups that you guys are talking about. But here's the million dollar question, if you are the instructor and you have an old guy who put in his 4+ years of dedication, and has grown exponentially since his first day, will you still abstain from giving him his black belt even though his skills are under-par?

I think today, the people want fitness or to learn beautiful forms should join traditional arts like kung fu or karate. The hardcore crew can still get their fulfillment through mma or muay thai.

[Ryu & Ken]

my friend asked "What the fuck are they doing over there?"

And I gave the obvious response, "He's whiffing attack to build meter"

.

LOL
If you try any of that Kim Kaphwan shit on me, the result will be like from Fatal fury2 the anime, lol

Nah just joking I do Brazilian Jit Jitsu and Muay Thai but I havent been for a while

I never been to a mc dojo but I wonder how many are in England.


On a semi related note have you ever played a Taekowondo game on the SNES esp that last fight against the last fight where the boss kicks the ref into the clock

[Satomiblood]

loaded gun > black belt

[Demon Dash]

I say start going back and show them how it's really done...

[Obliterate]

That's why I joined an MMA school, where we fight for REAL every week. No kata bullshit, inner ki nonsense, fuck belts, just reality.

Don't get me wrong my fundamentals are rooted in traditional kempo, but I just grew tired of all the other people who are just there to get a black belt even though they can't kick above their waste and get winded from thinking too hard. Also, the, "take it easy" response. Fuck that bullshit.

Does anyone compete in Mass Destruction/Reality Fighting/NAGA grappling here on the east coast?

[maxx]

That's why I joined an MMA school, where we fight for REAL every week. No kata bullshit, inner ki nonsense, fuck belts, just reality.

Don't get me wrong my fundamentals are rooted in traditional kempo, but I just grew tired of all the other people who are just there to get a black belt even though they can't kick above their waste and get winded from thinking too hard. Also, the, "take it easy" response. Fuck that bullshit.

Does anyone compete in Mass Destruction/Reality Fighting/NAGA grappling here on the east coast?

mass destruction sounds reall familiar for some reason.

[KrassHole]

loaded gun > black belt


WOW

Thank you for this revelation.

Fucking idiot.

[Satomiblood]

WOW

Thank you for this revelation.

Fucking idiot.

I thought there was humor in stating the obvious. You know, like saying racism is bad or liking pastel colors makes you gay.

[maxx]

I thought there was humor in stating the obvious.

he apparently wasnt in the last martial arts thread, where it was decided that comment needs to be made at least once a martial arts thread lol.

[thedude.com]

Actually no, he isn't too fat, back along time ago when I was there he actually went on the mat and taught, he did stuff with us, then slowly, I guess with the money he went, "fat"




...

dude you should trash down the whole dojo like what bruce lee does to a japanese martial arts dojo .

and say some inspiring wisdom of words and make them work hard .

[Kuprin]

dude you should trash down the whole dojo like what bruce lee does to a japanese martial arts dojo .

and say some inspiring wisdom of words and make them work hard .

QFT. Seriously, I would've challenged the master on the spot if I were in your shoes. I've never done any martial arts, and haven't fought since I was a kid, but I gave my cousin a good fight and IIRC he's a brown belt in Karate. We were both just screwing around, but if it came down to real shit, I really can't say who'd win. That's just not right, he should be kicking my ass around the room with one arm behind his back.

I swear, if I do get into martial arts, I'm avoiding mcDojos like the plague, and if I ever do earn a black belt - and I do mean EARN it, the hard fucking way, one of these days I'm going to walk into some McDojo and Bruce Lee the place.

[Satomiblood]

I thought martial arts were supposed to make you humble, not arrogant.

[Doc Holliday]

And I gave the obvious response, "He's whiffing attack to build meter"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That just made my morning win.....

[umthrfkr]

Rex Kwan Do FTW!!!!

[True Grave]

for starters, im a black belt in Shorin-Ryu, of course i got that when i was like 13 (8 years ago)

if you are saying, getting a black belt at such a young age is bad, well, the shit we had to do then, i couldnt do today lol....if what Mizuki is describing is a "Black Belt" test, thats a shame to all forms of martial arts. Its like giving away something that actually has a meaning. I take pride into what i worked hard for, and when someone addresses me in a dojo its as "Sensei", i dont give a shit who you are once you enter onto the mat. (unless they are highest rank ;p)


paying $600 for a test is highway fucking robbery, i think my parents paid like $60. hell i tested with a kid who had failed 3 times already. Most kids failed at least once, usually on the physical part.

I had to do 250 puchups, bare knuckle, on carpet, and if u slacked on one pushup you got a kendo stick in the back. my knuckles were raw after, and you couldnt roll your knuckles to use the non hurt ones.

250 situps, common, not a problem.

run 2 miles. not bad, but kind of a bitch cause you are timed, every second behind whatever random number they give you eveyr lap is 5 push ups more.


now for kicks, 50 repetitions of each kick (front, roundhouse, side,) with both legs over a bar at waist level... that shit sucked, you hit the stick, x amount of pushups again.. by this point you want to quit


next, spar against 3 people... at once... you in the middle, they surround you and punch/kick away and you fight back.


finally you get a 5 minute break after all this... yes all of this was one after the other, with no breaks at all!

after time was up, you start going through all material you have learned since you began.. mess up and BAM kendo stick. Fist isnt tight, BAM kendo stick. If your shit doesnt look good and sharp, BAM kendo stick. Hell if your GI became messy and you did not fix it, BAM.

ill never forget that day, i have the upmost respect for my instructors and peers at that time. I still remember all my training too, it has help in real life before even years and years after. It was like a true family then, they cared about more than money. My instructor was a former world champion kickboxer as well, dude was badass lol.


you cant run tests like this on kids these days, they are such pussies. wait until they get in a real fight and get fucked up.

250 knuckle-pushups? Running 2 miles a requirement? Getting hit with a Kendo stick everytime you screw up in the slightest way?

Are you sure you weren't in friggin' BOOTCAMP instead? (or perhaps your story is just plain B.S, thinking posting it will impress others).

paying $600 for a test is highway fucking robbery, i think my parents paid like $60.

Yeah $600? Its a Karate test, not fucking College fees. Paying that much is bullshit.

[Jaldaboath]

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Sync your avs guys.

[maxx]

Sync your avs guys.

lol wut in blue blazes are those from?

[LimeGreenPatato]

From what i understand for most martial arts a blackbelt is just a sign that you are comfertably with the basic technique. Once you get your black belt you can actually start to learn stuff.

It's like that for judo anyway.

[maxx]

From what i understand for most martial arts a blackbelt is just a sign that you are comfertably with the basic technique. Once you get your black belt you can actually start to learn stuff.

It's like that for judo anyway.

a black belt just says ur still a student but at the same time doors will be open to u. Ur not a teacher just cause u have a blackbelt... saw some school that had their belt systems and it was like your not a teacher till third degree...which in these day and age i respect.

Having a blackbelt just opens oppurtinities if you wanna go somewhere else.

[CoMpOuNd]

gunfu!

word.

[RisingStars]

100$ White belt, 200$ for every level after that... That's how it seems to work these days.

[maxx]

100$ White belt, 200$ for every level after that... That's how it seems to work these days.

actually most schools are sumtin like

200 for start up..plus uniform

belt tests are 40 or up

extra classes are 20+

blackbelt can be anywhere from 100-600

[RisingStars]

damn never knew it was that expensive...
TKD is not a bad or useless martial arts, just that alot if it is geared toward training for the sport. A lotta dojos don't teach its practical uses, just what works in the game of tag they call sparring.

[maxx]

damn never knew it was that expensive...
TKD is not a bad or useless martial arts, just that alot if it is geared toward training for the sport. A lotta dojos don't teach its practical uses, just what works in the game of tag they call sparring.

well its a sport mainly because tkd has geared more towards the olympic style form of the art and caters to what itf and wtf federations are doing.

their are more traditional schools around u just gotta look around but im lucky my tkd school teachers good kicks and hands...my teacher took the curriculum ur supposed to learn and added his own shit so we do alot of pad work as in boxing stuff. i learned more in my first year at my new tkd school then i did in 3 years at my mcdojo.

[ShawnLoganownzu]

250 knuckle-pushups? Running 2 miles a requirement? Getting hit with a Kendo stick everytime you screw up in the slightest way?

Are you sure you weren't in friggin' BOOTCAMP instead? (or perhaps your story is just plain B.S, thinking posting it will impress others).



Yeah $600? Its a Karate test, not fucking College fees. Paying that much is bullshit.

no man, thats straight truth... i wish i had the sheet still, it was a long check list of everything we had to do.. like i said, most kids failed at least once, some 2-3 times just cause of the physical part.

it sucked, but it made getting that belt such a worthy achievement, unlike the bullshit today.

Hell i remember when we were practicing breaking boards on a test board (it locks together at different spots for different strengths, but still is pretty tough all the way locked) i saw this guy punching away at it fully locked until his knuckles were all bleeding, never broke through it... those were the days of discipline.



and yea mcdojos are so expensive, they started to factor in supply/demand shit.. around here its 155 a month just for classes, retarded...


gunfu!

word.

equilibrium type shit... that would be sick

for those who have not seen equilibrium, it has awesome fight scenes

[Nagata Lock II]

I wonder if MMA camps like Mlitech Fighting/Team Punishment/Team Quest/etc... have ever considered making subsidiary schools for young adults? With the popularity of MMA nowadays, I'm sure creating a school with a more well rounded education would reap big monetary gain.

[Striderhyru05]

liu kang! i can see into your soul....

YOU
WILL
DIEE

[LimeGreenPatato]

I wonder if MMA camps like Mlitech Fighting/Team Punishment/Team Quest/etc... have ever considered making subsidiary schools for young adults? With the popularity of MMA nowadays, I'm sure creating a school with a more well rounded education would reap big monetary gain.

MMA isn't that popular.

[tajiri]

MMA isn't that popular.

what?

[v1y]

From what i understand for most martial arts a blackbelt is just a sign that you are comfertably with the basic technique. Once you get your black belt you can actually start to learn stuff.

It's like that for judo anyway. where the fuck do you do judo? i wrestled in hs and the blue's and green's my size and a little smaller almost throw me at will.

[LimeGreenPatato]

where the fuck do you do judo? i wrestled in hs and the blue's and green's my size and a little smaller almost throw me at will.

I don't know...you suck.

[AKUMA2000]

for starters, im a black belt in Shorin-Ryu, of course i got that when i was like 13 (8 years ago)

if you are saying, getting a black belt at such a young age is bad, well, the shit we had to do then, i couldnt do today lol....if what Mizuki is describing is a "Black Belt" test, thats a shame to all forms of martial arts. Its like giving away something that actually has a meaning. I take pride into what i worked hard for, and when someone addresses me in a dojo its as "Sensei", i dont give a shit who you are once you enter onto the mat. (unless they are highest rank ;p)


paying $600 for a test is highway fucking robbery, i think my parents paid like $60. hell i tested with a kid who had failed 3 times already. Most kids failed at least once, usually on the physical part.

I had to do 250 puchups, bare knuckle, on carpet, and if u slacked on one pushup you got a kendo stick in the back. my knuckles were raw after, and you couldnt roll your knuckles to use the non hurt ones.

250 situps, common, not a problem.

run 2 miles. not bad, but kind of a bitch cause you are timed, every second behind whatever random number they give you eveyr lap is 5 push ups more.


now for kicks, 50 repetitions of each kick (front, roundhouse, side,) with both legs over a bar at waist level... that shit sucked, you hit the stick, x amount of pushups again.. by this point you want to quit


next, spar against 3 people... at once... you in the middle, they surround you and punch/kick away and you fight back.


finally you get a 5 minute break after all this... yes all of this was one after the other, with no breaks at all!

after time was up, you start going through all material you have learned since you began.. mess up and BAM kendo stick. Fist isnt tight, BAM kendo stick. If your shit doesnt look good and sharp, BAM kendo stick. Hell if your GI became messy and you did not fix it, BAM.

ill never forget that day, i have the upmost respect for my instructors and peers at that time. I still remember all my training too, it has help in real life before even years and years after. It was like a true family then, they cared about more than money. My instructor was a former world champion kickboxer as well, dude was badass lol.


you cant run tests like this on kids these days, they are such pussies. wait until they get in a real fight and get fucked up.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: .................yup, these days kids want things now now now........instead of working for it.

[maxx]

MMA isn't that popular.

lol thats talking out of your ass. mma is ridiculously popular now due to "the ultimate fighter."

[LimeGreenPatato]

lol thats talking out of your ass. mma is ridiculously popular now due to "the ultimate fighter."

There's a difference between how many people are watching it and how many people are competing in it. I would put money on if you took a poll out of everyone that watches mma that 95% don't train.

[Mizuki]

dude you should trash down the whole dojo like what bruce lee does to a japanese martial arts dojo .

and say some inspiring wisdom of words and make them work hard .

What? Only handsome fighters win battles? Seeing you in action is a joke?

lol wut in blue blazes are those from?

Popotan.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: .................yup, these days kids want things now now now........instead of working for it.

Yeah, I remember yelling at a kid once for not paying attention, and he cried or something, or like he didn't pass a test.

[FragMasterGen]

bear mace FTMFW

[thedude.com]

What? Seeing you in action is a joke?




:tup: , and go home be a family man .

[maxx]

bear mace FTMFW

more like ftmfl...if your close enough to mase someone your close enough to get your mase jacked.

[FragMasterGen]

more like ftmfl...if your close enough to mase someone your close enough to get your mase jacked.

you've obviously never dealt with the dawg

[maxx]

you've obviously never dealt with the dawg

that a type of mase? person? an actual dog?

[Rhio2k]

that a type of mase? person? an actual dog?

Dog the Bounty Hunter uses bear mace, not mase. He has a show on cable. He was spoofed on South Park when Cartman was made hall monitor and Ike fucked his teacher.

[Mr Mort]

That's why I joined an MMA school, where we fight for REAL every week. No kata bullshit, inner ki nonsense, fuck belts, just reality.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite some time. To say that katas are "bullshit" proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about techniques that have been perfected for many centuries for a reason.

I'm also sick of hearing how TKD sucks. I suppose it's the popular thing to do since TKD is the most prolific and publicized MA. I agree to some extent that olympic TKD has somewhat tarnished the true art of TKD, but make no mistake, there are still many schools out there that are concerned with teaching the art and tradition of TKD, not the sport. I also agree that there are many "cookie-cutter" schools out there that only want to make a buck, teach slop and call it TKD, but still, to call TKD a crap MA just because there are bad schools out there is not justifiable.

Also, to hear you guys profess you should go challenge & beat up the head of a school is pure bullshit. None of you have the balls or the incompetence to try such a stupid stunt. Stop flexing your e-cocks and be real.

From what i understand for most martial arts a blackbelt is just a sign that you are comfertably with the basic technique. Once you get your black belt you can actually start to learn stuff.
This is by far the most sensible thing posted in this thread yet.

This thread is ridiculous. The whole notion that a black belt is somehow supposed to have superhuman abilities in nonsense. I swear, many of you think that martial arts are all about beating people up and being some sort of egotistical badass. Although it may differ from school to school, the general sense is that being a black belt means you have a basic grasp and understanding of the basics, nothing more. Being a black (or 1st dan at least) belt does not mean you are some sort of expert.

I swear, you guys need to keep your egos in check. If you really believe that true martial arts is about beating the shit out of people, getting trophies at tournaments, and having bragging rights, then you go right ahead and believe that, but you'll never truly appreciate or grasp everything that martial arts have to offer.

[Okazaki III]

250 knuckle-pushups? Running 2 miles a requirement? Getting hit with a Kendo stick everytime you screw up in the slightest way?

Are you sure you weren't in friggin' BOOTCAMP instead? (or perhaps your story is just plain B.S, thinking posting it will impress others).

I don't think he is bullshitting, a lot of the good dojo's used to do their tests like this. My test for black belt was similar to what he said. The nice thing was I never cared about belts anyway. I bought three belts in the 8 years or so I did karate (kyokushinkai), white, yellow and black. It was funny as hell sparring with guest people who would underestimate me judging the colour of the belt I was wearing, even more so at tournaments. In those days it was all about discipline and improving your skills. A famous Bruce Lee quote: "If you like coloured belts go look at a rainbow".

And thanks Mr. Mort for bringing the realness.

[maxx]

Dog the Bounty Hunter uses bear mace, not mase. He has a show on cable. He was spoofed on South Park when Cartman was made hall monitor and Ike fucked his teacher.

ahhh ya never was into it.

mort brought the beastness.

[IcedHouse]

That's one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite some time. To say that katas are "bullshit" proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about techniques that have been perfected for many centuries for a reason.



Kata's are fine in moderation. For warming up, or training solo ect. But if your forking over hard earned cash and 90% of your class is you doing repetitive punching and kicking then practicing fucking kata's you're getting ripped off. Might as well get a fucking video and watch that shit at home, same effect and result.

Sparring where its at. it's the only way to effectively gauge your advancement and retention of material, and lets you get an idea of how effective the style you're learning is and wether or not it's right for you.

[Calibur]

That's one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite some time. To say that katas are "bullshit" proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about techniques that have been perfected for many centuries for a reason.

I'm also sick of hearing how TKD sucks. I suppose it's the popular thing to do since TKD is the most prolific and publicized MA. I agree to some extent that olympic TKD has somewhat tarnished the true art of TKD, but make no mistake, there are still many schools out there that are concerned with teaching the art and tradition of TKD, not the sport. I also agree that there are many "cookie-cutter" schools out there that only want to make a buck, teach slop and call it TKD, but still, to call TKD a crap MA just because there are bad schools out there is not justifiable.

Also, to hear you guys profess you should go challenge & beat up the head of a school is pure bullshit. None of you have the balls or the incompetence to try such a stupid stunt. Stop flexing your e-cocks and be real.


This is by far the most sensible thing posted in this thread yet.

This thread is ridiculous. The whole notion that a black belt is somehow supposed to have superhuman abilities in nonsense. I swear, many of you think that martial arts are all about beating people up and being some sort of egotistical badass. Although it may differ from school to school, the general sense is that being a black belt means you have a basic grasp and understanding of the basics, nothing more. Being a black (or 1st dan at least) belt does not mean you are some sort of expert.

I swear, you guys need to keep your egos in check. If you really believe that true martial arts is about beating the shit out of people, getting trophies at tournaments, and having bragging rights, then you go right ahead and believe that, but you'll never truly appreciate or grasp everything that martial arts have to offer.

Katas have been done for centuries because no one took the time to test them out. If you want to defend yourself Katas would do almost nothing, despite that everyone has a friend who had a teacher who used his kata training to fend off 3 attackers in a bar. Katas are aesthetically pleasing and it is decent excercise for people who dont want to be more physical, but dont turn it into something its not.

What really annoys me is the status of black belt in martial arts. The standard meaning is that they signify mastery in the martial art you practice. Last time I checked martial arts are supposed to be about using the body for self defense. If, at black belt level, you cant do that, than the art has to reevaluate itself. Dont be fooled by the people have redefined the meaning of a black belt by emphasizing that they will continue to get better.

Anyway, IMO martial arts arent really about practicality these days. If you want self defense buy some pepper spray and play tennis.

[SFFanatic]

you've obviously never dealt with the dawg

that a type of mase? person? an actual dog?

FAILURE

[maxx]

Katas have been done for centuries because no one took the time to test them out. If you want to defend yourself Katas would do almost nothing, despite that everyone has a friend who had a teacher who used his kata training to fend off 3 attackers in a bar. Katas are aesthetically pleasing and it is decent excercise for people who dont want to be more physical, but dont turn it into something its not.

What really annoys me is the status of black belt in martial arts. The standard meaning is that they signify mastery in the martial art you practice. Last time I checked martial arts are supposed to be about using the body for self defense. If, at black belt level, you cant do that, than the art has to reevaluate itself. Dont be fooled by the people have redefined the meaning of a black belt by emphasizing that they will continue to get better.

Anyway, IMO martial arts arent really about practicality these days. If you want self defense buy some pepper spray and play tennis.

katas are used to refine your technique and build endurance. People these days walk through kata's and aren't using the full power they could be in the kata. Your arms should hurt and you should show sweat after practicing for 5 min. Kata's purposes are 2 things...

1.to familiarize yourself with your techniques and refine them ie. kicks punches

2.to make a situation where u might use such techniques...heres the problem most dick heads will automatically assume this is an end all to be all of these situations...u get jumped by 5 guys u have to walk through your form this way to deal with them...no...its meant as ok heres a hypothetical situation and we are giving you options on what you might use in this situation..you don't have to, but you can.

its not about the art reevaluating itself, the art has survived thousands of years to this point. Its about the users, people have become soft in an age where its ok, your village isn't under attack every week so its understandable. But its the teacher or student who needs to reevaluate yourself, why are you here? are you truly here to defend yourself? or are you here to attain some mythical invulnerability status that has become the black belt when this is bullshit. i left because my school didnt give me what i needed or wanted, and now i am getting what i need as a martial artist..but i also keep my options open and eyes open to other styles.

if you want self defence by pepper spray and play tennis? i dont even get that comment.

[v1y]

The real standard of the blackbelt (if your martial art is not at this standard, it is not rigorous enough):

http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/

[maxx]

The real standard of the blackbelt (if your martial art is not at this standard, it is not rigorous enough):

http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/

see its hard to translate that page to other arts, since its details are very specific in bjj and not in broad terms...its specifically talking about wut u should be doing in bjj at certain belt times, it doesnt speak in broad terms really.

[v1y]

the basic principles that no purple belt of the same size should lose to a blue belt is what it's about.

[maxx]

the basic principles that no purple belt of the same size should lose to a blue belt is what it's about.

lol clearly never fought bj penn...it can happen. everyone is at different physical points we cant compare someone who is say 6'1 and 270 pouds to a 5'1 100 pound person...thats just not a fair comparison. at a certain point its just such a huge disadvantage, even though we like to think the martial arts gives us this ability to take on the impossible, someitmes the impossible..is truly impossible for a person unless ur cracking skulls and throwin dirt in peoples faces.

[v1y]

... but penn is a bjj black -- there isn't a purple or brown his size in the world who can beat him on the ground.

[Calibur]

if you want self defence by pepper spray and play tennis? i dont even get that comment.

It means that if you want to defend yourself buy a weapon and learn how to run.:rolleyes:

Anyway, Katas dont work because you actually need to have someone try to stop you for them to be effective. Katas are look nice, but to me they are no more effecient than synchronized swimming or ballet.

Anyway, these threads got redundant to me years ago. I dont think there is anything to be proven. If you want tradition than you know where to look. If you want competition, the choices are in front of you. If you want to be safe, stay out of dark alleys.

I think Im gonna stay out of this thread from here on. Got nothing to prove.

[RockBogart]

Pepper Spray means nothing to someone who has a tolerance for it. So don't get attacked by ex military or law enforcement. You almost have to go on a preemptive strike to even get it off. And the way laws are in a lot of states, you cant even do that. And in VA if your attacked and the assailant takes the weapon weither it be Spray, gun, knife; and uses it on someone else, your liable.

[maxx]

... but penn is a bjj black -- there isn't a purple or brown his size in the world who can beat him on the ground.

before penn was a black belt he entered a judo competion as a white belt, all his opponents were black belts and he went through them all. its on youtube.

[v1y]

bjj white belt.

those blackbelts did not have blue belt level bjj.

(and hell, assume you're right -- THAT WOULD BE WHY HE GOT PROMOTED)

[LimeGreenPatato]

It means that if you want to defend yourself buy a weapon and learn how to run.:rolleyes:

Anyway, Katas dont work because you actually need to have someone try to stop you for them to be effective. Katas are look nice, but to me they are no more effecient than synchronized swimming or ballet.

Anyway, these threads got redundant to me years ago. I dont think there is anything to be proven. If you want tradition than you know where to look. If you want competition, the choices are in front of you. If you want to be safe, stay out of dark alleys.

I think Im gonna stay out of this thread from here on. Got nothing to prove.


Katas are used so you have a way of praticing techniques that have been deemed to dangerous to pratice on your training partner with full force.

[maxx]

Katas are used so you have a way of praticing techniques that have been deemed to dangerous to pratice on your training partner with full force.

ummm that may make sense with higher level forms like black belt forms but not true with lower belt forms...but also goes different from style to style.

[Windlord0]

How close can this come to self perpetuation before it becomes useless. You are not going to be using what you have learned to save your life on a regular basis. We don't live in a society where you have to use your fists to defend yourselves. People should stop pretending that we learn martial arts in order to protect ourselves. It is either a personal achievement or you are planning on competing (which is personal and monetary).

There are so many situations that it would be better to walk away from, and there are few (or no) situations where you are going to be saving the day with your martial arts. I don't have to carry my swords around in case brigands/vikings/ninjas try and pillage the town. We learn things knowing we aren't going to use them, and that's ok because I think we gain something else from it.

A black belt does not show mastery of your art, but it should make you a representative of your art. It also doesn't mean you should be teaching that art, which is another problem that I hear of too often. 1st dans teaching a class? Not helping out with the younger students, but actually teaching a class, shouldn't be happening. You don't need to be able to fight to be a black belt either, as there are arts that aren't based on that (TKD is the easy example), but the students receiving the belts have still made technical progress and would be a good representative of the school.

Most mcdojos don't care about the reputation their students convey about them, so they hand out black belts. It does represent your achievement, and your teacher should be just as proud to give it to you as you are to get it. Today though that teacher is only $600 prouder, and you have gained nothing but some cloth.

[Satomiblood]

Also, to hear you guys profess you should go challenge & beat up the head of a school is pure bullshit. None of you have the balls or the competence to try such a stupid stunt. Stop flexing your e-cocks and be real.

I have to agree with this.

[HeaT]

you guys ever see Andy Hug, fight? I think that guys style was like tradtional karate, i think am not sure, but that is what it looked like...anyway, he took the basic principles and he fought and trained smart...but when it gets down to fighting it is all about how you utilize what you have learned...i just find this funny cause people look down on karate and say it is a peice of shit, but i would venture to say that 99% of people saying this would get their ass handed to them by Hug...

im outi

Roberth

[Devil X]

Pepper Spray means nothing to someone who has a tolerance for it. So don't get attacked by ex military or law enforcement. You almost have to go on a preemptive strike to even get it off. And the way laws are in a lot of states, you cant even do that. And in VA if your attacked and the assailant takes the weapon weither it be Spray, gun, knife; and uses it on someone else, your liable.

Almost no one has a tolerance for pepper spray, including military or law enforcement. Why would they have a special tolerance? It is basically chili that is shot in your eyeball. I don't know what type of training would make you immune to that. They expose you to it and teach you how to sort of deal with it but if you spray a pig in the face with pepper spray that fat fuck will drop.

[RisingStars]

How close can this come to self perpetuation before it becomes useless. You are not going to be using what you have learned to save your life on a regular basis. We don't live in a society where you have to use your fists to defend yourselves. People should stop pretending that we learn martial arts in order to protect ourselves. It is either a personal achievement or you are planning on competing (which is personal and monetary).

There are so many situations that it would be better to walk away from, and there are few (or no) situations where you are going to be saving the day with your martial arts. I don't have to carry my swords around in case brigands/vikings/ninjas try and pillage the town. We learn things knowing we aren't going to use them, and that's ok because I think we gain something else from it.

A black belt does not show mastery of your art, but it should make you a representative of your art. It also doesn't mean you should be teaching that art, which is another problem that I hear of too often. 1st dans teaching a class? Not helping out with the younger students, but actually teaching a class, shouldn't be happening. You don't need to be able to fight to be a black belt either, as there are arts that aren't based on that (TKD is the easy example), but the students receiving the belts have still made technical progress and would be a good representative of the school.

Most mcdojos don't care about the reputation their students convey about them, so they hand out black belts. It does represent your achievement, and your teacher should be just as proud to give it to you as you are to get it. Today though that teacher is only $600 prouder, and you have gained nothing but some cloth.

Very well said, and what i was going to say.

What really annoys me is the status of black belt in martial arts. The standard meaning is that they signify mastery in the martial art you practice. Last time I checked martial arts are supposed to be about using the body for self defense. If, at black belt level, you cant do that, than the art has to reevaluate itself. Dont be fooled by the people have redefined the meaning of a black belt by emphasizing that they will continue to get better.

Mastery in the martial art your practice... Can anyone really be a master in what they practice? Are there masters of basketball or baseball? Masters of politics? Masters of subway 12 inch sandwiches? Even at blackbelt level, i don't know anyone that claims themself a master of the art. The point of blackbelt means you understand the fundamentals and can move to learn more. Also, who has redefined the blackbelt? Can you give me a trace of history way back to the time where being a blackbelt was defined?

[LimeGreenPatato]

Almost no one has a tolerance for pepper spray, including military or law enforcement. Why would they have a special tolerance? It is basically chili that is shot in your eyeball. I don't know what type of training would make you immune to that. They expose you to it and teach you how to sort of deal with it but if you spray a pig in the face with pepper spray that fat fuck will drop.


I have tolerance for pepper spray............

Seriously....., i'm that hard.

[Mr Mort]

katas are used to refine your technique and build endurance. People these days walk through kata's and aren't using the full power they could be in the kata. Your arms should hurt and you should show sweat after practicing for 5 min. Kata's purposes are 2 things...

1.to familiarize yourself with your techniques and refine them ie. kicks punches

2.to make a situation where u might use such techniques...heres the problem most dick heads will automatically assume this is an end all to be all of these situations...u get jumped by 5 guys u have to walk through your form this way to deal with them...no...its meant as ok heres a hypothetical situation and we are giving you options on what you might use in this situation..you don't have to, but you can.

This is almost exactly how I feel about katas. Very well said.

If you think katas are more for aesthetics, that's wrong. If you're getting that impression, it's because they've been glamorized in tournaments. As maxx said, katas are used to refine technique and build stamina. As far as I'm concerned, refining your technique will no doubt assist in real-world application. When I'm practicing my forms, I put everything I have into them, so much that I'm literally dripping with sweat, and giving my cardiovascular system a good workout. Intensity, presicion, and focus; those are my only concerns when I'm practicing my forms. I take them very seriously, and with just cause. To hear someone say they are "bullshit" is simply insulting, and that is not just my opinion, but it is the truth.

Also, as some have stated (myself included), being a black belt in most systems does not mean you have mastered anything. I have never once heard a 1st dan refered to as "master", and I likely never will. Again, for good reason. There's a reason 6th dans and higher are called "master", and no one else is.

[J-ride]

Almost no one has a tolerance for pepper spray, including military or law enforcement. Why would they have a special tolerance? It is basically chili that is shot in your eyeball. I don't know what type of training would make you immune to that. They expose you to it and teach you how to sort of deal with it but if you spray a pig in the face with pepper spray that fat fuck will drop.

Not true. My Uncle is a prison guard in Huntsville. Most of the guys who have been in prison a couple of years have to have the shit maced out of them and most of the time it doesn't even do anything but piss them off. Hell some of the guys who have been in prison for a long time don't even get that fucked up by tear gas. He had a prisoner who was eating during a riot, the gas went out, and he sat there and kept eating. Didn't even phase his ass.

[Devil X]

Mace/Tear gas and pepper spray are not the same thing. Again, that shit is made out of chili. You can grow a tolerance for Mace or tear gas, it is something that causes pain, and of course we all know there are people with high pain tolerance. Pepper spray used properly will cause you to close your eyes , choke and fuck up your breathing. like i said, it's like getting hot chili poured in your eyes/down your throat, it will fuck you up no matter how tough you are.

[J-ride]

^ Whatever, I'm sure you know, since you deal with prisoners and use pepper spray all the time. I meant pepper spray and not mace. Yes, unfortunately many of the convicts are that resistant to pepper spray in prison, and have to pretty much get bathed in it for it to stop them. A guy like that is not going to be stopped by a little keychain of pepper spray that is half the strength of what he is usually sprayed with. But this is SRK, and you are going to keep arguing a point that is stupid.

[Ki Shima]

you all do know that your meant to take what youv learnt and advance it by yourself

it doesnt matter what fucking belt you are as long as you intelligent enough to apply it to your psyche

you need to feel your moves, a lazy black belt could be destroyed by a thug, it will be like him playing marvel vs capcom 2 with a moves list in his hand

[RockBogart]

Mace/Tear gas and pepper spray are not the same thing. Again, that shit is made out of chili. You can grow a tolerance for Mace or tear gas, it is something that causes pain, and of course we all know there are people with high pain tolerance. Pepper spray used properly will cause you to close your eyes , choke and fuck up your breathing. like i said, it's like getting hot chili poured in your eyes/down your throat, it will fuck you up no matter how tough you are.



Dude , I work for the DOC. If your on the Strike Force aka the riot squad, the shit will not phase you for the most part. And anyway direct shot to the eyeballs is not proper use. 2 second shots across the forehead is how you properly use it. The shit didn't bother me in academy until about 15 to 20 min afterwards.

[maxx]

This is almost exactly how I feel about katas. Very well said.

If you think katas are more for aesthetics, that's wrong. If you're getting that impression, it's because they've been glamorized in tournaments. As maxx said, katas are used to refine technique and build stamina. As far as I'm concerned, refining your technique will no doubt assist in real-world application. When I'm practicing my forms, I put everything I have into them, so much that I'm literally dripping with sweat, and giving my cardiovascular system a good workout. Intensity, presicion, and focus; those are my only concerns when I'm practicing my forms. I take them very seriously, and with just cause. To hear someone say they are "bullshit" is simply insulting, and that is not just my opinion, but it is the truth.

Also, as some have stated (myself included), being a black belt in most systems does not mean you have mastered anything. I have never once heard a 1st dan refered to as "master", and I likely never will. Again, for good reason. There's a reason 6th dans and higher are called "master", and no one else is.

your a teacher right? im not sure if it was u i talked to a while back about sparring when i first began at my current school. just curious wut art u do and how long? loving what your saying.

in my current system ur not even considered a "teacher" till like 4th degree...its weird my teacher can teach but i guess theirs an official title of teacher in 4th or 5th.

[BornAgainCommunist]

there is a JKD guy named Tommy Curruthers(he is on youtube)...and is a great example of making something work. he teaches pure striking, so everything is non spar training, which would require defense. you can sense his speed and power....and creativty in the videos.....unlike the Other very popular video of the white guy speed wing chun striking.




btw pepper spray tastes good.

[Mr Mort]

your a teacher right? im not sure if it was u i talked to a while back about sparring when i first began at my current school. just curious wut art u do and how long? loving what your saying.

in my current system ur not even considered a "teacher" till like 4th degree...its weird my teacher can teach but i guess theirs an official title of teacher in 4th or 5th.

Actually, I'm not teacher. I don't think you and I have discussed the subject before, but it does seem we agree on many key points.

I've been training off and on for about 9 years (6 of those years actually training, and missing about 3 years), and just got my 1st dan 3 weeks ago. :clap:
My school practices traditional TKD mixed with Japanese karate. Very old-school mentality, teaching real-life application techniques, forms, emphasis on proper stances, punches, and kicks, the masters & instructers take everything we do very seriously, and I try to pay attention to absolutely everything they say and teach.
While the rules of our school dictcate you must be 2nd dan or higher to teach, all the current instructors are at least 3rd dan or higher.

[Mizuki]

I want to emphasis something about this school.

At the beginning, it was like a traditional school. Forms, structure, basis, it's why I liked it at the beginning. Then, when kids starting going to another school for olympic-style martial arts, then it started going downhill. It felt as if he was only doing it for the money and shit, and it was true. I worked there for 5+ years and saw it.

And to people who think the Ki stuff is bullshit, damn you are ignorant. Try and fight a dude who's mastered Tai Chi. Good luck!

p.s. Get the mase shit outta here damn. I dont wanna have to ask Sep to lock MY own topic.

[TheBlackStar]

on another note, for those who have taken BJJ and grappling, about how much did you pay and how often did you train? im interested in getting back into training, but just trying to get a quick idea of how much time/money it takes

Slogan holla at me on Aim..L Alpha Q Up L. I can give an idea about BJJ.

[v1y]

And to people who think the Ki stuff is bullshit, damn you are ignorant. Try and fight a dude who's mastered Tai Chi. Good luck!
Where do i sign up?

[maxx]

tai chi is fuckin hardcore...recognize bitches...when a 60 yr old fat lady makes a young agile 18 yr old flip flat on his butt...i respect tai chi haha...man.

Mr Mort: cool cool much respect to your school. most schools try and build teachers at a young age so most schools i've seen the teachers are black belts but have been there for years so they know there stuff. but i like the idea of second dans or higher it also means your teachers have dedication to their school cuz the teen/young adult teachers can easily decide they dont wanna do it anymore.

[Airthrow]

you guys ever see Andy Hug, fight? I think that guys style was like tradtional karate, i think am not sure, but that is what it looked like...anyway, he took the basic principles and he fought and trained smart...but when it gets down to fighting it is all about how you utilize what you have learned...i just find this funny cause people look down on karate and say it is a peice of shit, but i would venture to say that 99% of people saying this would get their ass handed to them by Hug...

im outi

Roberth

Yeah he was a kyokushin fighter but the fact is that all the successful K-1 fighters adapt their style to kickboxing, meaning they crosstrain in kickboxing anyways.

Look at the way Andy fights in Kyokushin matches vs. K-1. He's pretty much a good (albeit dead :sad:) kickboxer who threw axe kicks and turn back kicks every now and then,

[Ryu & Ken]

Yeah he was a kyokushin fighter but the fact is that all the successful K-1 fighters adapt their style to kickboxing, meaning they crosstrain in kickboxing anyways.

Look at the way Andy fights in Kyokushin matches vs. K-1. He's pretty much a good (albeit dead :sad:) kickboxer who threw axe kicks and turn back kicks every now and then,

I believed the JPN called him the blue eyed Samurai

[Devil X]

^ Whatever, I'm sure you know, since you deal with prisoners and use pepper spray all the time. I meant pepper spray and not mace. Yes, unfortunately many of the convicts are that resistant to pepper spray in prison, and have to pretty much get bathed in it for it to stop them. A guy like that is not going to be stopped by a little keychain of pepper spray that is half the strength of what he is usually sprayed with. But this is SRK, and you are going to keep arguing a point that is stupid.

bro, I'm not some troll living in a forum giving a damn about if I'm right or wrong. I mean shit, you popped in this thread immediately after I posted. I don't really take in second hand accounts (i.e you telling me your uncle's experiances) but if a guy is telling me first hand that he works in the field and he can take a shot of pepper spray, I'll take his word for it. I've used the stuff myself without issue. So you're right, I'm wrong, you're the best around. :rock:

[maxx]

I believed the JPN called him the blue eyed Samurai

lol sounds like a nick name for andy in kof.

[mr. newbie]

liking pastel colors makes you gay.


i'll fight you over this.

[Mixah]

a lot of martial arts schools don't actually teach anything anymore. a neighboring school once challenged mine in an exhibition tournament at the YMCA... I was a yellow belt at the time, and I was beating most of their higher ranks. Both of our schools had the same style (goju ryu), so we were mostly on the same page... but these guys had no idea how to NOT telegraph attacks. Some tried flip kicks and jumping around... they looked like kangaroos in human suits... we won 19 to 6 wins. i was 4 and 1 as a yellow belt... they had one white belt (who's coincidentally the guy that beat me), and all higher belts there...

[LimeGreenPatato]

I was a yellow belt at the time, and I was beating most of their higher ranks. .

they had one white belt (who's coincidentally the guy that beat me).

So basically you have no point.

[Mixah]

So basically you have no point.

no. regardless of me losing to the white belt, i still beat a brown belt and purple belt in the exhibition