The Woman/Girl Thread: Sex, Relationships, FAQs Pt. 2

[akumachan]

Ok, my question for you guys is this: how do I stop from putting the pussy on a pedastal?

I do it all the time, I joke around, flirt, chicks dig me, all that shit but I always seem to fuck it up.

Girls seem to enjoy talking to me, laughing, giggling, flirting, etc.
But I can never make that transition into getting a chick to see me in a sexual kind of way.

I'm a pretty good looking dude (I'm not Brad Pitt but I can certainly hold my own) and I can talk to chicks, but I always go out of my way to make them laugh and make them comfortable.
A day later, they'll go out and fuck this troglodyte mofo.

This dude I work with gets chicks like crazy, he's not that good looking and he's pretty fucking stupid. His game is based around lame bullshit stories.
Chicks think he's really cool and shit but as far as I can tell, he's a moron.

Some girl asked us what 'skeet skeet' meant and he started explaining it but he was talking about 'girls coming up to you at a club' and some other wack ass shit...The worst part is chicks find that shit endearing. :rolleyes:

I don't know if the fact that i'm well read and well versed in a multitude of subjects is holding me back and making me come off as a 'know it all' or something but the shit is pissing me off.

I'm getting owned by this dude. He's not a bad guy, I actually don't mind hanging out with him but I don't find him all that intelligent.

Do chicks really just dig dudes who are 'mysterious' and relatively dumb or what?

What's the deal.

PS. I realize how ironic it might be posting this here, seeing as some of you may be the 'dumb and mysterious' guys but as long as you're self aware, that would be very helpful. :lovin:



my advice:

at the risk of losing the friendship with the girl (which may not be all that important in the first place)... after you have gotten to the point where she is comfortable talking to you and she laughs at your jokes etc... then make it KNOWN that you are interested in more than just making her laugh.

[The Chief]

Your booty is NWS.

[akumachan]

Dude, you're like 19.

You can be dating 17 and 18 year olds (the most physically attractive age, and when the girls are at their mating peak).



You're kidding right????


mating peak for girls at age 17-18???:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yea girls may look great at that age, but mating/sexual peak they are definitely NOT AT.


That does not hit for girls until they are 30. why? because that's generally when they become truly comfortable with themselves, and they have the additional help from their biological clock.



anyway just wanted to point out that glaring untruth.

-AC

[akumachan]

Your booty is NWS.

Sup Chief!!! *hugs* :lovin:

^_~



What is NWS?? is that bad or good?

good I hope??? :sweat:


-AC
is out of touch with current SRK lingo

[Havoc]

You'd be better served ignoring the glaring untruths this kid comes up with.

[The Chief]

NWS = Not Work Safe. =)

*returns hugs*

Your avatar should be in a "spoiler-tab" or somthing, followed by a warning.

Now I gotta erase my history log.

[Warpticon]

Hmmm dont look at it like you are trying to win her over..you need to leave her and go talk to other girls..you gotta have an indifferent "I dont give a fuck" mentality...so what if she wants you, so what if she doesnt..that mentality has me talking to about 10 girls plus right now..if they talk to other guys I will talk to other girls. Let her know you won't be there always let her know you dont need her. I'm not saying tell her that. but SHOW HER. So when that shit happens I go about my business "Say I'll catch up with you later." And I say it with a smile..watch your body language when you say it..because if not it will make you come off as needy and jealous...even if you are dont let her know that..

For when she has that she has the POWER.

Warpticon-
Meet females at:
-Libraries
-Clubs
-Grocery stores
-Yoga
-Malls
-Gym
-School/University

Bottom line is you can meet women anywhere..and especially since you are just looking for friends..DROP THAT ON HER..its called the friendship frame..that makes it where you are in control..and if she becomes hot to you you can take it from there..

Women do it to us all the time..some do it unknowingly (Drama Queen!)

Some do it knowingly to twist us, make us fuck them harder and make us insecure.

I know I can hypothetically meet women anywhere. I'm just looking at the best environment for the situation. Malls bore me to death, and I don't really have the time frame to go there. Don't have time for a gym, and I work out at home. School doesn't apply. Yoga: flame! Grocery stores...well, I do have to shop, I guess, but haven't had much luck there. Can't even go to the library with the schedule I'm on. I'm probably asking too much here.

[TheSix]

Before she left to take her test, her friend comes out of nowhere and sits down with us. (It's a GUY... FUCK) I knew she was too hot to not have any other guys hovering over her. I'm thinking to myself "Maybe he's just a casual friend of hers." Then he starts asking her out in FRONT of me. It sounded like she was fixing to say yes, but then she was like "I'm going to take a nap instead."

So the guy is constantly flirting with her in front of me and getting all personal with her. Ugh I should of known I had competition. Eventually I got tired of their one way conversation so I asked her some stuff. Then she properly introduced me to the guy. It's funny cause as I shook his hand I looked into his eyes as if we were fixing to have a grand finals match. Anyways he's basically stalking her and said "I have nothing else to do so I'll wait for you to finish your quiz." So she smiled and left us two guys alone.
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I tried to be nice and start up a conversation with the guy. "So where do you guys know each other from?" He told me they went to the same high school. Eventually I told him "laters" and left cause I didn't feel like waiting for her to finish her long ass quiz and I also didn't feel like hearing her talk to that guy any longer with me sitting there. As I left I saw her taking her quiz outside so I told her good luck and that I would call her tonight.
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How do I go about winning this girl over this guy? I'm not going to be an asshole to him because I'm not like that, but I need to do be quick in getting the advantage over him.


You let him take control. She has been yours since you have been posting about her and you let this guy, who thinks he's hot shit, come in and steal your frame away. There can't be any "two sided conversation" while you just sit there. As soon as he came over, you should have introduced yourself to him and you should have been the one to lead the conversation. Focus your attention on the guy, talk to him, engaged him.

"I have nothing else to do so I'll wait for you to finish your quiz."

It's not being a asshole. You are a guy who knows what he wants. This is a very noob/AFC thing to say. "Please, I have no life so I will wait and wait and wait for you love. LOOOOVE MEEEEE". This would have been a perfect opportunity to take the power back.

You can be nice to the guy and still say, "look, I have been working on this girl for a good while now buddy, she's mine" in a subtle way. If they didn't go out in high school then it's fair game.

Typically AMOG/challenge. Something you have to be prepared for.

Can't tell you what to do now. Maybe you'll come up with something. Otherwise, just wait it out.

[Dark Geese]

Yeah you can be the subtle AMOG or you can be like me where no woman is worth my time to fight for....Unless she is my wife..or relatives lol.

Because so what IMO if I work for a girl? If she is gonna be fickle like that and go for him then I'm gonna be fickle and leave.
A woman doesnt mean too much to me 2 leave and move on to the next one..Besides if she wants to be with you she'd be with you,I get a kick out of letting other guys try to hit on the women I talk to..they normally always fuck it up themselves. Look at it this way, just by you being out in the field talking to women you've got most men beat!

But thats confidence..it isnt fear of the other guy, I just dont see why I should have to even bother with him..let her choose..then I'll choose other females as well and smile at her as I walk by with them. :lovin:

Remember, you can't have fear of loss/rejection to succeed in this business!

So yes wait it out or say the hell with her..you got too many women to talk to ANYWAYs..remind yourself that YOU ARE THE ONE DESIRED..and truly believe it..she is a pawn in your reality..and can easily be replaced!!!!!!!!! Don't get "one-itis", not now, she ain't even yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm Warpticon..hmmm..that means you are gonna have to get out of your house man, seriously..you've gotta get out of the house if you want to meet women..seriously.. I find malls boring too and FULL OF JAILBAIT as a high school teacher :sweat: so NO for me!!!!

Its like videogames..you cant be a great player or even good if you sit at home as an armchair assassin. You've got to get that tourney experience..no replacement for it..

Now you could pay for an online service meeting women, but its gonna cost you money every month..but then so could being a part of a gym or something..

Also try chatropolis.com and other free chat zones to maybe find someone in your area.

[kimjongiLL]

You're kidding right????


mating peak for girls at age 17-18???:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yea girls may look great at that age, but mating/sexual peak they are definitely NOT AT.


That does not hit for girls until they are 30. why? because that's generally when they become truly comfortable with themselves, and they have the additional help from their biological clock.



anyway just wanted to point out that glaring untruth.

-AC
I'm not kidding.

I'm 25. I've had bad experiences with older women.

Date whoever you want, but personally I don't date older from now on. Been there, don't like it. I stand by my opinion that younger women are more attractive.

[Havoc]

Ness, stop psyching yourself out. She's a girl. Other guys will like her...

Don't worry about that other nigga. He's no factor, unless you make him one. If he's been around since high school, he poses no imminent threat that can't be smacked the fuck down.

[Dark Geese]

A fucking men Havoc!!!!!!!!! :rock:

And same for Kim Ill..I dont like black women unless they are light skinned, educated, SUPER proper, well built, or they can be darker skinned but must fit the bill of the rest and look like the girl in Koops av. (on a scale of 1-10 she must be a 12 lol)

And I aint attracted to White Girls unless they have a tan that reminds me of a Hispanic/Asian girl...

So blondes really do nothing for me AT ALL..

So I stick with what I like..Hispanic women #1, Asians #2.

[Havoc]

I love all types of women... I DO go by the Jay standard of "Only 21 and older, let another nigga mold her". Young girls are too fucked up in the head. Leads to dumbass issues, and bad sex.

It is scientifically proven that females reach their sexual peak in their early 30's though.

[Warpticon]

Hmmm Warpticon..hmmm..that means you are gonna have to get out of your house man, seriously..you've gotta get out of the house if you want to meet women..seriously.. I find malls boring too and FULL OF JAILBAIT as a high school teacher :sweat: so NO for me!!!!

Its like videogames..you cant be a great player or even good if you sit at home as an armchair assassin. You've got to get that tourney experience..no replacement for it..

Now you could pay for an online service meeting women, but its gonna cost you money every month..but then so could being a part of a gym or something..

Also try chatropolis.com and other free chat zones to maybe find someone in your area.

Yeah, I'm testing the online waters a bit. But you keep answering my questions with restatement of the questions. :lol: I know I have to get out of the house, but I have to have a destination. Because my time is so limited I have to make the best use of it.

[kimjongiLL]

I love all types of women... I DO go by the Jay standard of "Only 21 and older, let another nigga mold her". Young girls are too fucked up in the head. Leads to dumbass issues, and bad sex.

It is scientifically proven that females reach their sexual peak in their early 30's though.
The older woman is in total control whenever a young guy dates her though.

She ends up molding the boy the way a mother would raise her son. It gets him into bad, needy, unmasculine habits, and if not being a pussy is anywhere important in his life, it's best if he stays away from the older woman.

After 25, most women are past the party age and looking for a stable, momma's boy to buy her flowers, settle down, and have kids with anyway. Once they get you, they won't let you go.

My bad experience with older women is that they don't stop calling me, won't leave me alone when I want to be left alone, and the sex was bad because they weren't as physically attractive as a younger girl.

Sex with a 19 year old, like my current girlfriend, is mindblowingly amazing. I love it and wouldn't trade it for any other feeling in the world. You're not doing it right, leading her like a strong man should, and getting her to open fully to you if you're complaining about bad sex.

If a young girl is giving you bullshit, just laugh and tell her she's cute and you love her when she's insecure/neurotic/whatever. You control the frame and she's happy she has a strong man to depend on.

Older women are the same way. All 30 year olds being comfortable with themselves is bullshit. There are some sexy ones, but the way the media and society is, most have inner game problems and low self-esteem into their 40's, so they become ballbusters and coldhearted, miserable bitches. I don't know your dating style, but for me personally, you're treating the 30 year old the same way you treat the 19 year old. Like a little sister who's cute and you love her when she's insecure.

Only difference is the 30 year old is wrinkled, has cellulite, and is at risk of poking holes in the condom, while the 19 year old is sexy, has smooth skin, and likes having fun.

[Silentness!]

I tried calling her just now. Fucking answer machine...

it's 8:40 PM she can't be sleeping/turned her phone off.
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She didn't come to school on Monday and Wednesday (today) she had to make up a quiz from Monday. So I only talked to her for like 5 damn minutes out of the whole week. Thanks to that 2nd guy who came out of nowhere and started flooding her with questions/begging her to go out with him.

I gotta agree with you guys... she's a lot of fucking baggage. I don't have "One-itis" I'm still going out talking to random women and stuff, but this chick is too damn good to let go so easily.

[Havoc]

Older women don't control shit. Most of them are just flattered a younger guy is even interested. As long as you're not a bitch, you won't get bitched.

I WILL agree that plenty of 30 year olds are fucked in the head too. Still... more 19 year old are.

As for the sex, it's just a matter of taste. If you like to take control of sex and just get your rocks off, yeah, your average 19 year old works. If you want a sexual experience where the girl gets off her back, it takes a woman that is comfortable with her sexuality. It takes a girl with enough exprience to know what she's doing.

There are 19 year olds that are amazing girls. My favorite sex partner ever was 20 at the time. On the average, however, I can't say that's the case. Too many girls have issues with their own sexuality.

[SRKev]

Older women don't control shit. Most of them are just flattered a younger guy is even interested. As long as you're not a bitch, you won't get bitched.

I WILL agree that plenty of 30 year olds are fucked in the head too. Still... more 19 year old are.

As for the sex, it's just a matter of taste. If you like to take control of sex and just get your rocks off, yeah, your average 19 year old works. If you want a sexual experience where the girl gets off her back, it takes a woman that is comfortable with her sexuality. It takes a girl with enough exprience to know what she's doing.

There are 19 year olds that are amazing girls. My favorite sex partner ever was 20 at the time. On the average, however, I can't say that's the case. Too many girls have issues with their own sexuality.

QFT. Older women don't really control anything, they're just happy to be around a younger man. You can basically guide them along to do whatever the fuck you want. As far as sexual peak is concerned...yeah...older women definitely know what they're doing.:sweat: (I know from experience)

Ness: If this guy has been around since high school and still hasn't gotten her, his ass ran out of chances a looooooooong time ago. You need to view this guy as a girl. He poses no threat whatsoever and you should feel completely comfortable with laughing and changing the subject anytime he makes advances. This girl is probably kiting him just because she can milk him for whatever the fuck she wants.

P.S. Whatup peoples, I haven't been in this thread for awhile but I'm definitely back like cooked crack. I ended up dumping my GF (the Brazilian/German one) because she started doing shit that just plain freaked me out. I'll type it out after the Warriors game.:lovin:

[Red-Impact]

QFT. Older women don't really control anything, they're just happy to be around a younger man. You can basically guide them along to do whatever the fuck you want. As far as sexual peak is concerned...yeah...older women definitely know what they're doing.:sweat: (I know from experience)

Ness: If this guy has been around since high school and still hasn't gotten her, his ass ran out of chances a looooooooong time ago. You need to view this guy as a girl. He poses no threat whatsoever and you should feel completely comfortable with laughing and changing the subject anytime he makes advances. This girl is probably kiting him just because she can milk him for whatever the fuck she wants.

P.S. Whatup peoples, I haven't been in this thread for awhile but I'm definitely back like cooked crack. I ended up dumping my GF (the Brazilian/German one) because she started doing shit that just plain freaked me out. I'll type it out after the Warriors game.:lovin:

she bought a strap on?:sad:

[Havoc]

Good shit. I like how this thread is progressing. The ratio of posts that don't look like GGXX strategy posts is coming back up to a tolerable level. :tup:

[Hsiangsta]

gf, FRC, dash, 623k, IOI!

just messin

[YTheLastMan]

my advice:

at the risk of losing the friendship with the girl (which may not be all that important in the first place)... after you have gotten to the point where she is comfortable talking to you and she laughs at your jokes etc... then make it KNOWN that you are interested in more than just making her laugh.


You're a girl, so your advice should be pretty win.

I think the MOST important question I can ask you is this: How do I make it KNOWN that i'm interested in more than making a bird laugh?

There's multiple ways to make it happen but which will get me in there and not make me come off as either a creepy/cocky/awkward guy?

I need some sagelike advice, word up.

[Havoc]

I use eyes.

Eyes + innuendo combo usually does it when I'm turning an acquantence into something sexual

[kimjongiLL]

Text messaging is a subtle art form.

No questions.

Questions are bad.

Make statements instead.

Good: "I had so much fun tonight. You're the cutest friend ever. :)"

Bad: "Did you have fun tonight? :)"

Obot sent me an awesome article going into more detail in how to use text messaging towards your power and advantage. Anybody else interested can message him to check it out. I liked it and learned some new tools. :tup:

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I'm hitting up the bar tonight. I found out one of the girls I was crushing on big time went back to Korea and I didn't get to see her again before she left. I'm in a sad mood. I wish I was a better pua when I first met her. Maybe I'll meet somebody new just like her tonight if the stars are aligned properly and destiny is on my side.
Good shit. I like how this thread is progressing. The ratio of posts that don't look like GGXX strategy posts is coming back up to a tolerable level. :tup:
:rofl:

OK, I'll keep in mind that you're the idol judge next time I decide to write anything in this thread.

[Havoc]

Please do.

[Reveal]

I tried calling her just now. Fucking answer machine...

it's 8:40 PM she can't be sleeping/turned her phone off.
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She didn't come to school on Monday and Wednesday (today) she had to make up a quiz from Monday. So I only talked to her for like 5 damn minutes out of the whole week. Thanks to that 2nd guy who came out of nowhere and started flooding her with questions/begging her to go out with him.

I gotta agree with you guys... she's a lot of fucking baggage. I don't have "One-itis" I'm still going out talking to random women and stuff, but this chick is too damn good to let go so easily.
Yeah,that totally sucks. Happens to me sometimes (talking to a chick, and here comes the guy friend.)
But now we know what to do. Next time I get into that type of situation, I'm going to talk to him and ask him all the questions and junk.

Anyway, I do have a question about a situation at work.
I'm now working as an assembler at some company. I work 2nd shift, and there's a girl that works there that I want to talk to, but she works on second shift. And she works in another area. But whenevr I first come in, I goto the bathroom, and she's at her station. I've caught her looking at me while I walk by and we smile to each other. Now here's the problem: she's usually working, and she has her headphones on. How the hell do I talk to her if she's working and has her headphones on? I'm considering elaving some kinda note. Any ideas?

[ezekial45]

QFT. Older women don't really control anything, they're just happy to be around a younger man. You can basically guide them along to do whatever the fuck you want. As far as sexual peak is concerned...yeah...older women definitely know what they're doing.:sweat: (I know from experience)

Ness: If this guy has been around since high school and still hasn't gotten her, his ass ran out of chances a looooooooong time ago. You need to view this guy as a girl. He poses no threat whatsoever and you should feel completely comfortable with laughing and changing the subject anytime he makes advances. This girl is probably kiting him just because she can milk him for whatever the fuck she wants.

P.S. Whatup peoples, I haven't been in this thread for awhile but I'm definitely back like cooked crack. I ended up dumping my GF (the Brazilian/German one) because she started doing shit that just plain freaked me out. I'll type it out after the Warriors game.:lovin:

That reminds me. What ever happend to that older woman you were dating? You made a big thread about it, but i can't seem to find it

EDIT: If you don't mind me asking that is.

[terracotta]

(in for AMOG discussion)

[kimjongiLL]

Wow, I just had the worst night at the bar ever. I guess sometimes I'm too cocky for my own good. Anyway, I'm going to break down what happened tonight to see what I did wrong...

field report (http://kimjongill.livejournal.com/29654.html)

It went awful. With the exception of one girl (pretty, sparkles chick), I got blown out of every worthwhile set I entered (where the girls are 8's and above). I couldn't think of the conversation routine in the middle of me talking so I ended up looking like a retard (not by choice) and was unable to hook that one girl. The only girl I ended up hooking for the night, I'm not completely attracted to and my goal this year is to never settle for second best again (she put her arm around me, wanted me to dance with her, and laughed hard at all the stupid stuff I like to say). Plus I commited a social faux pas when she caught me looking at other girls while I was with her anyway.

End result:
Seven sets attempted. Five blow outs. One cockblock. One warm set (but I wasn't attracted to the girl and was just being friendly). No bounce. No phone numbers. Not even a picture. Two approach anxiety sets that I missed out on and seriously regret now.

Stuff I learned: (http://kimjongill.livejournal.com/29867.html)

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I'm back home typing up a field report, reviewing what I did wrong, and listened to a 10 minute voice message my ex-girlfriend just left me. Needy weirdo. I wish I never seduced her. The longest voice message I ever left for anyone was 45 seconds.

I'm not good with confrontation, so I shy away from it and just start spontaneously ignoring people when I'm not attracted to them anymore.

It's a douchebag thing to do. Like asking for a girl's phone number, but then not calling her. It's the same as sexing a girl, but then leaving right after without a word when you're done. I guess I'm not at that point in life where I particularly care though.

[SRKev]

That reminds me. What ever happend to that older woman you were dating? You made a big thread about it, but i can't seem to find it

EDIT: If you don't mind me asking that is.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=127183

[TheSix]

^^ Epic thread.

[kimjongiLL]

All those posts from yesterday are gone? Oh well, whatever.

I wrote for everybody here to go read Gunwitch. The paid for product, not the free product on fs.com. It's the biggest mindfuck I've had in a year and a half of learning pickup, and I'm not kidding when I say it totally turned my perception upside down on how seduction, dating, and sex should be handled.

Don't waste your money on DYD, Style, MM, SS, or anything else that's more for seducing AFCs into unrealistic fantasies, than for closing females. Gunwitch goes so far as to write that a lot of it is actually, "Dating for morons." I hate to say it, but I actually agree.

My new recommended booklist:
-Juggler
-48 Laws of Power
-Superior Man
-Gunwitch

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I'm psyched for this Friday and Saturday!

Check out this sarging venue (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2305192942). I'm actually friends with half the people that are going there already. Well, most are just party girls, casual aquantainces, but whatever... I like them still. One of my female friends (http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v52/647/11/s4000044_7322.jpg) with the lower back tattoo, booty shorts, and piercing actually has a prettier smile than I realized too. Facebook/Myspace angle + blinding white dental work for the win. I'll have to remember to tease her about that. She's high self esteem (which I really like in a young girl), so she doesn't care and just laughs and calls me a dork whenever I tease or say something stupid.

There are two really pretty Korean girls on the guestlist that actually I haven't met yet also... well, at least their profile pictures look like they're exactly my type.

I didn't realize how great Facebook is. It lets me break the ice right now, so I instantly have an opener as soon as I see the person at the party. No need for any kind of approach anxiety, wait for the right time nonsense. Just walk right in, do the Gunwitch, and assume instant rapport. Once she's hooked, "Hey, let's go sit over there."

[kimjongiLL]

Sweet! She lol'd and wrote back to the stupid email I sent. She's single. DHC to online number close and call to make sure she's real. Shots and flirting tomorrow night, since we're both going to same party anyway. Not quite Hyonni (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17236493) (my personal perfect 10), and she might be a shorty too (which is a turn off since my ex is short), but close enough and K-girl in the middle (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/kcxj2/n9106761_33352162_7981.jpg) will be my gf by next week.

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Attracting different nationalities is subtly different for each race, and contrary to what David D and Style want you to believe, looks DO matter. I don't have enough exp with White, Black, or Latinas, but for Asians...

90% of Viet guys are short, so to score a Viet shorty, you need to emphasize the masculine in the way you present yourself. Buff, muscle, meathead looking guy. Tattoos. Spiky hair.

J-girls are either hip hop heads that are only into Black guys, or the soft, effeminate look. Groomed facial hair. Smooth, laid back prescence. Either you're ODB or Cyril Takayama.

With K-girls (my target for this weekend), fashion is an absolute MUST. Tall, skinny look is attractive, but must dress the part. I'm going to wear open button shirt, blazer, tie, and pluck my eyebrows like a FOB (when I'm actually Asian-American) for this weekend.

People say it's stupid to change yourself for any girl, but the fact is, the chameleon and Wario are the masters of many disguises. Zeus was the biggest player in history. The way he would lay the chicks is by disguising himself as cows and other men to get in though.

The more you look the part, the faster the rapport, the more attraction the female has for you ---> quicker lay.

[Koop]

Unstickied.


I will continue to re-up, help and edit this thread. Again, if ya got a question you want a perspective from me on...pm me an i will jump right on it if i havent seen it already.

koop

[LODOWNMUTHAFUC]

Dayum Koop I Like That Pic You Got On There.. She Look Like My Ex, But Juz No That Much Asscrack.

[Against Me!]

am I the only one here who thinks this kimjongiLL fellow's behavior is a bit unhealthy? :confused:

[Silentness!]

am I the only one here who thinks this kimjongiLL fellows behavior is a bit unhealthy? :confused:

His style seems too complex for me to understand.

Honestly when I see a chick I don't think of all these patterns and "combos" and shit. I just walk up to a chick and say "Hi, how are you doing?" Then continue from there...
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Which reminds me I saw his hot chick in the elevator. I smiled at her and said "So what class are you headed to?" She got nervous and smiled while saying Math. Breaking into that comfort zone seems like the hardest part of an approach.

[orochizoolander]

His style seems too complex for me to understand.

Honestly when I see a chick I don't think of all these patterns and "combos" and shit. I just walk up to a chick and say "Hi, how are you doing?" Then continue from there...
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Which reminds me I saw his hot chick in the elevator. I smiled at her and said "So what class are you headed to?" She got nervous and smiled while saying Math. Breaking into that comfort zone seems like the hardest part of an approach.

^^^REAL TALK^^^


i've noticed some ppl here on this thread like kimjong overthink it and endup psyching themselves out maybe i'm old fashioned or just out of the loop but when it comes to the topic of women i believe the simple approach is most often the best and also going up to a girl n just winging it has the advantage of telling u immediately from the start whether the girl is interested or not saving u alot of time+effort cuz no one likes to be lead on/cockblocked am i right?

[Koop]

Like I said earlier, I did read through the thread an some of yall are getting too deep. posting stats an stuff an giving labels like this is a fighting game.... its all good cause i will be checking the thread EVERYDAY an making sure people questions are given a good opinion...

[Higher-Jin]

This shit needs to be restickied. It's always entertaining and often educational. Thumbs up koop for the thread, but I'm afraid without a sticky it'll get lost in the srk shuffle.

[Silentness!]

subscribe to the thread?

[xero15]

yeah why did you unsticky it anyways?

[Koop]

This shit needs to be restickied. It's always entertaining and often educational. Thumbs up koop for the thread, but I'm afraid without a sticky it'll get lost in the srk shuffle.

it wont... its my subscribed thread so its the first thing i see everyday.... itll be iiight...

[Koop]

yeah why did you unsticky it anyways?


For safety reasons....:rofl::rofl::rofl:


that an if its important an serious (which i am making sure this thread will be) then youll up it or post sumin if needed. no need to 'press' the issue...

[Stevie White]

You know what sucks? When women are allergic to condom lubricant. You know what sucks even more? Condoms.

[KrassHole]

How do you handle being surrounded by hot ass Jailbait?? At my part time job theres so many hot girls but after talking to them I find out theyre like 16 and some are 17 lol. I'm 20, I know the 17 year old falls under the age difference formula (Half your age plus 7) but the 16 year olds. . . . nothing like 16 year old twat, as one of my good friends used to say back in highschool :rofl:

[Higher-Jin]

How do you handle being surrounded by hot ass Jailbait?? At my part time job theres so many hot girls but after talking to them I find out theyre like 16 and some are 17 lol. I'm 20, I know the 17 year old falls under the age difference formula (Half your age plus 7) but the 16 year olds. . . . nothing like 16 year old twat, as one of my good friends used to say back in highschool :rofl:

Just dont' get caught. A old friend of mine used to bang 16 and 17 year olds on the regular and he just played it smart. He was 20+ and never got caught, but if you do it's your ass. He was a charismatic guy so even if the parents found out they probably wouldn't have turned him in anyways.

[Silentness!]

How do you handle being surrounded by hot ass Jailbait?? At my part time job theres so many hot girls but after talking to them I find out theyre like 16 and some are 17 lol. I'm 20, I know the 17 year old falls under the age difference formula (Half your age plus 7) but the 16 year olds. . . . nothing like 16 year old twat, as one of my good friends used to say back in highschool :rofl:

I hate when that happens...

(eventually finding out that the chick is still in High school >.<) "So are you a senior?" "No I'm a junior..." EVEN WORSE

[Dark Geese]

Just dont get caught??????? Sorry cant do that..Im a HIGH SCHOOLTEACHER...

[JackTenrac!]

How do you handle being surrounded by hot ass Jailbait?? At my part time job theres so many hot girls but after talking to them I find out theyre like 16 and some are 17 lol. I'm 20, I know the 17 year old falls under the age difference formula (Half your age plus 7) but the 16 year olds. . . . nothing like 16 year old twat, as one of my good friends used to say back in highschool :rofl:


Best way is to find out is to talk, dood. 3 years is fair game on your part. Also depends on where you...oh yeah, don't you work at a grocery store or some low-grade shit like that? Still, if you don't want them, you don't have to get 'em. Arm up your anti-pussy game and just ignore them if you don't want trouble. Or try this: every time you see these jailbaits, count them. Then, end of the day, go out and find the same amount of women you can hit.
:rofl:

but...you're ignoring my shit, so...


...that went well.

[Silentness!]

Just dont get caught??????? Sorry cant do that..Im a HIGH SCHOOLTEACHER...

I couldn't be a teacher... the temptations!

[kimjongiLL]

:rofl:

She sent me some bullshit in the reply e-mail.

wow, is this what u do with girls on fb~?! it seems like u try 2 meet & flirt w/ lots of "random" girls here~ I'm sry but unless u tell me how u got to find or know me, I can't give u my #~ Plus, I don't date guys who aren't Korean~ hahaha and u're not exceptional!~ anyways, it's still nice to have u on my fb tho~ we can get to know each other and be great friends, I'll be happy to do that~ ;) I don't know if I'm gna be at xxxxx tmr, but let's cross our fingers and hope that we get to meet up!~ I'm def. going to yyyyy on Sat. tho~ 99.9%~ lol* take care~!^^
It's OK, and it's actually good though, since the girls that aren't easy and offer resistence are almost always higher self esteem than most others.

If you break down her e-mail, you can see the IOI's are still there though. Every "haha", "lol", or fobby smilie face is worth it's weight in solid gold. Quite frankly, I don't think it matters whether I asked for the phone number on the second e-mail or three weeks later on the twentieth e-mail. I would of gotten the same response everytime. "You're a player.", "I just met you.", blah, blah, blah... I've heard it all already, and this isn't the first time I've been in a situation like this.

It's like the girl that says, "We shouldn't be doing this", while you're alone with her, but she's still pushing her hips up against you.

hmm... I'm single again now and I really would love to see her tonight though. What should I write back?

[Stevie White]

Every "haha", "lol", or fobby smilie face is worth it's weight in solid gold

Accordingly, they are worth nothing.

[Silentness!]

My eyes bleed as I read her message.

[kimjongiLL]

Accordingly, they are worth nothing.
You're probably fucking it up that's why. If they really are worth nothing and the girl isn't interested, then they wouldn't write back at all. :p
My eyes bleed as I read her message.
Just watch. Tonight might be iffy, but we'll hook up by next week. Two weeks at the most.
(name dropping parts edited out for safety reasons)

wait a minute~
did u hear something about me~?
I can smell something from ur writing~ it sounds like you might have already heard about me~ mm~ hahaha 14 times a day?! oh no~ that's y I don't wanna give u my #!!~ hahaha and it sounds like you're not a single~?? so why are you doing this to me?! lol~~ anyways~ I don't know who xxxxx is~ but it's all good~ um~ I'm gna be at xxxxx on Sat. why are you going 2 yyyyy~?! it's gna be sooo empty~! wait, isn't xxxxx & yyyyy same thing?!- -;; anywaySss~ now I'd like to really hear what u heard about me or what u know~ hahaha anyways thanks 4 the msg!~ and sry 4 the longgg writing!~ I'm not giving u my # tho~ hahaha we'll get to see each other somewhere, so don't wry~ haha
Uh-oh... red flag with the "did you hear something about me?" line. Potential drama case. Six shit tests so far...

-You do this to all the girls
-I only date Korean, you're no exception
-I can smell something from your writing
-Sounds like you're not single
-I'm not giving you my number
-Why are you doing this to me?

The number of IOI's I'm getting is excessive though.

-Sorry for the long writing (she's trying to qualify herself to me)
-Sounds like you're not single (she's interested but social conditioning tells her the good guys are never single)
-*smilie faces and laughs at my retarded jokes*
-Asking me questions about where I'm going
-She's getting self concious

Anyway, Gunwitch was right. People think less about you than what they think you're thinking about them. As long as I maintain frame control and don't try to defend myself (even though I really am single, I'm dead if I try to convince her I'm single), I'm good to go.

What should I write back?

edit: I did the AIM thing. Called her an "annoying pain in the ass". Got her phone number. I have a date tonight. :tup:

[Koop]

Just watch. Tonight might be iffy, but we'll hook up by next week. Two weeks at the most.

Uh-oh... red flag with the "did you hear something about me?" line. Potential drama case. Six shit tests so far...

-You do this to all the girls
-I only date Korean
-I can smell something from your writing
-sounds like you're not single
-I'm not giving you my number
-Why are you doing this to me?

The number of IOI's I'm getting is excessive though.

-Sorry for the long writing (she's trying to qualify herself to me)
-sounds like you're not single (she's interested but social conditioning tells her the good guys are never single)
-*smilie faces and laughs at my retarded jokes*
-Asking me questions about where I'm going
-She's getting self concious

Anyway, Gunwitch was right. People think less about you than what they think you're thinking about them.

What should I write back?



:annoy::annoy::annoy::annoy:
yo straight up an down.... do you do anything on your own???? can you stop givin up day to day to day to up the minute info on your online/outside adventures....AND deciphering them like your psychologist...

STOP

give it a rest...seriously. you take things a bit too far.
:annoy::annoy::annoy::annoy:

[JackTenrac!]

- Jago Kick combo breaker for the win?!

...that went well.

[kimjongiLL]

:annoy::annoy::annoy::annoy:
yo straight up an down.... do you do anything on your own???? can you stop givin up day to day to day to up the minute info on your online/outside adventures....AND deciphering them like your psychologist...

STOP

give it a rest...seriously. you take things a bit too far.
:annoy::annoy::annoy::annoy:
lol... my bad. That's just how I talk and I thought other people might find it helpful.

[FragMasterGen]

isnt this the same kimjongill that said he was leaving srk and never coming back?

[TheSix]

isnt this the same kimjongill that said he was leaving srk and never coming back?

Everybody says that at some point.

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Ahem, I will take any unwanted jail bait off anyones hand if they don't want them. For my cousin.....yeah, my cousin.

[4Play]

Everybody says that at some point.

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Ahem, I will take any unwanted jail bait off anyones hand if they don't want them. For my cousin.....yeah, my cousin.

I'll be your cousin if it means I'll receive jailbait.
What happened to the thread I thought it was going to stay stickied?

[TheSix]

YOU DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE A "CONVERSATION" AT ALL WHEN YOU FIRST MEET A
WOMAN. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET HER DIGITS! - David D

I can't believe I actually listened to this guy. This is complete bullshit. Yeah, you can get the number sure. But the flake percentage would be very high(unless you are Tom Cruise/Denzel etc). Throw on top of that his whole "3 minute" number close he always promotes and it just makes it clear that he is just out for money. Pick up artist fraud.

----------------------------

There is this chump who has been harassing my girlfriend lately. Lots of myspace messages, phone calls, etc. I have tried befriending the guy...he hasn't been receptive. Which lets me know he is just trying to get in her pants. Now apparently he did something nice for her way before I was in the picture. They never fucked or anything. "They weren't anything" she says. But that was THEN.

She doesn't want him around but she doesn't want me to get into trouble, but im a quick minute away from telling this guy to "fuck off, or get your ass kicked? Make a choice".

Any idea's?

[terracotta]

why do we always seem to be talking about pickups..

are there any good guides out there on how to go into a relationship? i'm looking at this chick who's been with a guy 5 years, and i'm feeling a bit of pressure because it's inevitable that she'll make comparisons. sure i could wing it and "go with the flow" and "just do my best", but some best practices would be nice. i know "it depends on my situation" but i'm sure there are rules of thumb out there..

[Havoc]

I really don't get the point of doing anything outside of "just be yourself". In a relationship, you need to exist comfortably alongside your partner. I don't see how you do that if you're always keeping up an act, or trying to impress.

[Warpticon]

I really don't get the point of doing anything outside of "just be yourself". In a relationship, you need to exist comfortably alongside your partner. I don't see how you do that if you're always keeping up an act, or trying to impress.

Damn straight.

[KrassHole]

Best way is to find out is to talk, dood. 3 years is fair game on your part. Also depends on where you...oh yeah, don't you work at a grocery store or some low-grade shit like that? Still, if you don't want them, you don't have to get 'em. Arm up your anti-pussy game and just ignore them if you don't want trouble. Or try this: every time you see these jailbaits, count them. Then, end of the day, go out and find the same amount of women you can hit.
:rofl:

but...you're ignoring my shit, so...


...that went well.


I dont need any conversation advice, especially from you. I just find myself overwhelmed by the jailbait factor

[kimjongiLL]

why do we always seem to be talking about pickups..

are there any good guides out there on how to go into a relationship? i'm looking at this chick who's been with a guy 5 years, and i'm feeling a bit of pressure because it's inevitable that she'll make comparisons. sure i could wing it and "go with the flow" and "just do my best", but some best practices would be nice. i know "it depends on my situation" but i'm sure there are rules of thumb out there..
I'm single and so are 90% of the other guys on this forum that's why. Competitive SF player demographic is males 18-25 after all.

Like it or not, you can't get into a relationship unless you do a pickup first. Call it cold pick up, hollering a shorty, rolling up on a breezy, "introduce me to your friend", whatever the fuck you want to call it. No matter how sexy a girl thinks you are and is giving you eyes, you could look like Brad Pitt with a 10 inch penis and they will never come talk to you first.

The ones that do are almost always the ugly or low esteem women. You can settle for one of those, or you can have the woman of your choice.

Majority of people in the world get hooked up either through work, school, childhood friends, or parents introducing them to someone. Who the fuck has the balls to do cold pickup? Less than 20% of men in the world that's who, and that's why women have more sex on the average than men do. It doesn't make sense, since the number of men to women in the world is 50/50, but the thing is, the women are only having sex with a select priveleged few... the PUA's, celebrities, and the other men with status.

It's the reason AV is a billion dollar industry. 80% of men in the world either have no balls or they're too stupid to realize to brush their teeth, go on a diet, and take a shower everyday. They'd rather pay money for instant gratification, jerk it to Tia Tanaka, then go to sleep instead.

-------

I partied and had dinner with Asian car models tonight (Jeri Lee, Kim Loan, etc...) and it was an EXTREMELY interesting night. I don't feel like getting into it, but again, I had another big mindshift. ANY girl you see, anywhere can now be yours, and there's no reason to ever have approach anxiety again in your life, even if you're rolling up to Paris Hilton herself.
I can't believe I actually listened to this guy. This is complete bullshit. Yeah, you can get the number sure. But the flake percentage would be very high(unless you are Tom Cruise/Denzel etc). Throw on top of that his whole "3 minute" number close he always promotes and it just makes it clear that he is just out for money. Pick up artist fraud.
Yeah, fuck that guy.

"Deep Inner Game" is money, be seriously, I had the same ephiphany three months ago. Toss all that other shit in the trash. He's no different than Dr. Phil or Larry Flynt.

That's why I recommended reading, "48 Laws of Power". Jay-Z and David D can't be wrong since they both like that book themselves.

[capcomANDsnk]

are there any good guides out there on how to go into a relationship? i'm looking at this chick who's been with a guy 5 years, and i'm feeling a bit of pressure because it's inevitable that she'll make comparisons. sure i could wing it and "go with the flow" and "just do my best", but some best practices would be nice. i know "it depends on my situation" but i'm sure there are rules of thumb out there..

it's a bit long but it's REALLY helpful if you're serious about maintaining a relationship
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zxxad5
this ain't like all the bs posted from "dating gurus" or whatever they call themselves, this is real talk.

communications is key. learn to listen, REALLY listen; shit's harder than you think and you gotta train yourself. you'll be lucky if she doesn't have any baggage/scars, if she does it'll be really difficult and comparisons will be made too often.

kimjongill,
if you actually read other people's comments about you, you'd stfu w/ all that crap a lonnnnnnnnnng time ago.

[Naslectronical]

No matter how sexy a girl thinks you are and is giving you eyes, you could look like Brad Pitt with a 10 inch penis and they will never come talk to you first.

The ones that do are almost always the ugly or low esteem women. You can settle for one of those, or you can have the woman of your choice.



That's total crap.

Every woman I've ever been with has approached me. I'm damn well not anywhere near Brad Pitt nor were the women ugly/of low self esteem.

If what you're saying were true, I'd still be a virgin.

[TheSix]

That's total crap.

Every woman I've ever been with has approached me. I'm damn well not anywhere near Brad Pitt nor were the women ugly/of low self esteem.

If what you're saying were true, I'd still be a virgin.

I have never had a girl come up to me with the intention of sex/a relationship without some reason(or social proof). I would still be a virgin if I didn't put in the effort.

Note - Excluding the uglies.

I'm not ugly by any means. I am waiting for the day a attractive non whore approaches me and "just wants to talk".

[Serpent]

Argh, I should be working through the Internal Revenue Code, the California Probate Code, the MBCA, DGCL, and/or a motion in limine, but instead, I will be wasting some of my ever precious time on writing a post? Why? Because this garbage post that I'm quoting in response to is so full of mistruths and stupidity that I honestly do not want anybody to even remotely follow it. As much as I mock many of you guys for being asian nerds, I still can't stand a loser misleading you. Fuck, I'll even break up the post and respond to parts, something I have been too lazy to do for at least 2 years now.

I'm single and so are 90% of the other guys on this forum that's why. Competitive SF player demographic is males 18-25 after all.

Most males 18-25 are in relationships, unless by choice they are avoiding women. Despite my general hatred of people and self-imposed social isolation, I know a ridiculous amount of people. While there is a growing backlash against women, the horomones in this demographic drive most men into ignoring their dislike of many female tendencies and bullshit, in order to chase after these women, and most times, they will at least succeed with some of them.

Now if you meant SRK itself, what did you do, take a poll? It's funny, most of the kids you played with when you were busy being a scrub at CvS2 have or have had gfs, most guys I played with at my university arcade have or have had gfs, and I'm sure that this translates enough to SRK that it is not this 90% statistic you've randomly made up.

Like it or not, you can't get into a relationship unless you do a pickup first. Call it cold pick up, hollering a shorty, rolling up on a breezy, "introduce me to your friend", whatever the fuck you want to call it. No matter how sexy a girl thinks you are and is giving you eyes, you could look like Brad Pitt with a 10 inch penis and they will never come talk to you first.

Wrong. It's because you're an ugly troll that they will never talk to you first. I absolutely despise bars and clubs, but again, I get dragged to them occasionally. At these bars, there have been plenty of instances where a girl initiates with me or a "friend" I am out with (in quotations because I don't consider these people friends, just tools right now, that I may yet find a use for in the future). The trick is to look like you're having fun, or just talk to people around you. Girls want to be a part of a big group, like most people do. That is why they go to these stupid places, because they want to socialize. Regardless, even if this weren't true, you are still wrong, and indeed, you contradict yourself in a few paragraphs anyway.



The ones that do are almost always the ugly or low esteem women. You can settle for one of those, or you can have the woman of your choice.

One paragraph and here's the contradiction already! No matter how sexy the girl is, she won't talk to you, yet girls that do initiate are ugly. What? What kind of idiot logic is that you mental midget?

Ignoring the ridiculous contradiction already inherent in the statement, the premise is utterly false anyway. Attractive women generally are more confident, and confident people generally have no problems initiating conversations, especially if they went somewhere primarily to socialize. You're confusing a woman speaking to you with a woman sexually initiating a relationship, but even that is wrong anyway. You're just not going to the right places. Probably because at the "right" places, they won't let you past the front door on account of your ugliness.


Majority of people in the world get hooked up either through work, school, childhood friends, or parents introducing them to someone.

Here we go again, another contradiction will be coming up. Might as well address it here, if the majority of the world gets hooked up through these things, why do you need pick-ups then? Are you trying to tell us that, if not for pick-ups, nobody would be in a relationship? Are you telling us that the majority of married men were at one point PUAs? That at minimum 60% of males are PUAs? That's utterly inconcievable, yet that is exactly what you are suggesting by claiming the majority in the world were hooked up this way, yet you need to be a PUA to get into a relationship.

Now granted, the majority of these men might not be GOOD at it, but they still eventually succeed. It's the fact that they're not good at it that makes them loyal and want a long term relationship, but that has nothing to do with not getting into one at all period, or having a lot of different partners. Most of the people in this thread just want one girl, not 5 at once.

Who the fuck has the balls to do cold pickup? Less than 20% of men in the world that's who, and that's why women have more sex on the average than men do. It doesn't make sense, since the number of men to women in the world is 50/50, but the thing is, the women are only having sex with a select priveleged few... the PUA's, celebrities, and the other men with status.

Pretty much everyone driven by their horomones has the balls to do it. All it requires is that you don't have any dignity, are extremely persistant, and are obsessed with the opposite sex. Generally this occurs at puberty and for a few years after, and tails off toward your mid-20s and beyond. Just because you passed puberty about a year and a half ago doesn't mean that is the usual age of onset. Go to a college campus sometime, you will see guys go for pickups. Now follow these same guys on a party night, they will again be going for pickups. There's quite a lot of them, it'll dwindle as they age precisely because they are in relationships, and have no need to continue for the most part, but still, when they're in the workforce, there are plenty of men that continue on like this for quite awhile.

You are right that more women than men sleep around, but that isn't exactly a positive point. It doesn't have anything to do with relationships and pickups. The explanation is simply that more women are likely to cheat in a relationship than men are. 1 out of 4 children is being raised by a man that isn't a biological father, that is, wifey got knocked up and suckered some schmuck. Whereas most men seemingly are happy with the relationship, and honor their vows or feel a commitment to their significant other, a woman is under no such moral or ethical obligations. She feels free to sleep around with other men, and that is precisely what she does. Granted, it's with the 10% scummy enough to do that to another man, but you are, I suppose, technically right here.

It's the reason AV is a billion dollar industry. 80% of men in the world either have no balls or they're too stupid to realize to brush their teeth, go on a diet, and take a shower everyday. They'd rather pay money for instant gratification, jerk it to Tia Tanaka, then go to sleep instead.

Yeah whatever. Not even you can be stupid enough to believe most men don't brush or shower, not that it matters. I've found when I don't shower for a few days, women come onto me pretty strong, so it can't be that. At the gym we have a saying, "no money no honey" obviously showing that the body doesn't matter either. Money matters the most, or an illusion of having money (like for instance, buying an expensive car or expensive clothing). I don't think i've ever heard of a doctor or lawyer having trouble finding a date, yet these are the two most obnoxious, physically out of shape, nerdy professions out there. Well, sorry, I guess engineers are comparably irritating, but they don't make money so....

You're right, 80% of men have no balls, and that's precisely why women tend to walk all over men and sleep around, these balls-less men enable that type of behavior. It's why we have such a high divorce rate, and people no longer have morals. Because 80% of men were so busy pathetically supplicating themselves to women and giving into their every demand, that we have misandrist laws and a booming divorce industry, and the media is saturated with sex. If 80% of men put their feet down, and demanded and held women accountable for their actions, if 80% of fathers refused to allow their daughters to go out dressed as a tramp, if 80% of fathers instilled values in both their sons and daughters, we wouldn't have PUAs, we wouldn't have girls whoring themselves out at a young age, we wouldn't have teenage pregnancy, we wouldn't have single mothers, we wouldn't have many of the problems we have today. But 80% of men, as you said, don't have balls. Too bad these 80% of men are still in relationships fathering more children.

I state again, the norm is a relationship. Almost everyone around you is in one, or expected to be in one, by their mid 20s. There is generally pressure to be married in your late 20s. It is actually the exception to be single. Most people assume I am in a relationship, or talk about their relationships. That is because most people are boring losers, and their entire goal in life is to be in one, and then attempt to I suppose live through the other person. Being a dork doesn't stop it either, I mean aside from you being a great example, it sure does seem like a lot of dorky people are in relationships. Being fat doesn't matter either, they just get another fat person.



I partied and had dinner with Asian car models tonight (Jeri Lee, Kim Loan, etc...) and it was an EXTREMELY interesting night. I don't feel like getting into it, but again, I had another big mindshift. ANY girl you see, anywhere can now be yours, and there's no reason to ever have approach anxiety again in your life, even if you're rolling up to Paris Hilton herself.



Nobody cares.


EDIT- Just to add something to the above. Most girls classify guys into two groups, 3 if you are million: Guy's I want to fuck, Guys I want to be in a relationship with, Guys I want to use as an emotional tampon (Guess which group is Million). Girls will generally be in a relationship with one sucker, while sleeping with the PUA guys, or just random other guys period. Most people call these guys alpha males, but I don't think that's necessarily accurate, it's more like alpha male with harmful tendencies. In essence, this guy has to sleep around and have poor economic value. If the guy has good economic value, he will be in class 2. Generally economic value is gained by being pretty fucking boring.

So generally, a girl has guy from group 2 supporting her, with the eventual goal of marriage, or with stability in mind, and screws guys in group 1, whom she actually probably won't get into a relationship with, because she knows it is worthless, and definitely will not marry. But she loves getting her brains banged out by them. So what she'll do is mess around with a lot of Guy #1s, and maybe not even have a guy#2 until she gets to her late 20s, and then sucker guy #2 in whom she denied previously.

There are a lot of biological and sociological reasons for this, but you don't really need to know the why something works, just that it does.

[Naslectronical]

I have never had a girl come up to me with the intention of sex/a relationship without some reason(or social proof). I would still be a virgin if I didn't put in the effort.

Note - Excluding the uglies.

I'm not ugly by any means. I am waiting for the day a attractive non whore approaches me and "just wants to talk".

If a woman feels enough of an attraction for you, she will come to you. This isn't 1895. If she really finds you attractive, she'll probably do it to pre-empt another woman or to get to you before you go after another woman.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only non-celebrity/non-wealthy male on earth who has chicks approach him.

[kimjongiLL]

EDIT- Just to add something to the above. Most girls classify guys into two groups, 3 if you are million: Guy's I want to fuck, Guys I want to be in a relationship with, Guys I want to use as an emotional tampon (Guess which group is Million). Girls will generally be in a relationship with one sucker, while sleeping with the PUA guys, or just random other guys period. Most people call these guys alpha males, but I don't think that's necessarily accurate, it's more like alpha male with harmful tendencies. In essence, this guy has to sleep around and have poor economic value. If the guy has good economic value, he will be in class 2. Generally economic value is gained by being pretty fucking boring.

So generally, a girl has guy from group 2 supporting her, with the eventual goal of marriage, or with stability in mind, and screws guys in group 1, whom she actually probably won't get into a relationship with, because she knows it is worthless, and definitely will not marry. But she loves getting her brains banged out by them. So what she'll do is mess around with a lot of Guy #1s, and maybe not even have a guy#2 until she gets to her late 20s, and then sucker guy #2 in whom she denied previously.

There are a lot of biological and sociological reasons for this, but you don't really need to know the why something works, just that it does.
Aside from the guy has to sleep around and have poor economic value, I actually agree 100% for once.

One of my older friends had a lot of girlfriends and was into pickup when he was in his 20's like me. He's older now and the big boss at one of the clubs I like though. At the VIP table when my wing and I were with the model girls last night (the hotter the girl, the more self-conscious, lonely, horny, and friendly they are, so it's actually easier to talk to them than it is the averages), out of nowhere bottle service comes and he offers us all champagne.

Then he took out the biggest roll of C-notes I've seen in my entire life.

I chatted with him last time, and he says the only time he gambles is to "lose $5000 or so just for the fun of it". He's in early 30's and he's collecting motorcycles of all things now too. I know a lot of other PUA's who still live with their mom and are bigger bums than gamers, but the point is, this dude is an exception and that's how I intend to be once I'm his age too.

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Stop being so goddamn cocky and worrying about your ego so much. I don't give a shit how much e-status and knowlege you have, and neither does anybody else here (since SRK doesn't pay either of us to post). David D is a fake ass PUA that's old news already (but a brilliant and successful business man). Stop complaining and just go to the nightclub already. God forbid you might stop being miserable and actually like it? The girls are pretty, they smell amazing, their ass feels good rubbed up against your wood, and you get to meet people with status for networking and business.

Live a little already. You won't die from it.

(You do like feminine girls, sex, and you aren't gay right?)

It's bad to date older women in their early 30's, since they're looking to settle down and have kids. I'm not done having fun and I haven't found my perfect partner yet, and it's an insensitive and cruel thing to date an older woman, so that's why I only date younger girls.

I don't know what you think, but I've realized that in life, girls want sex more than guys. From multiple partners as well. They crave and worship the cock, so you wouldn't be fullfilling your service as a man if you deny them that. It's only after they hit 24-25 do their biological clocks start kicking in and they start seeking stability for pontential marriage and childbearing (since nobody wants to have a kid when they're 40... you'll be wrinkled and dead or something before the she graduates high school).

... and also my mom tried to hook me up with an ugly older girl, I never went to college, and all the women at my workplace either have babies already or not the right nationality that I'm attracted to have sex with, so it's stupid to leave the job of hooking up and approaching to the female. Just because one female has approached (and possibly slept with you) first, it doesn't mean it's OK to be passive about your dating life.

(I had like a million rejections, but ended up with seven girls last year, two that I really fell in love with but they weren't looking for something serious, four so far this year, and one new girl this week with potential that I might fall in love again. ALL from cold pickups or social networking. Compare that to the zero girls I had when I was shy and passive from 1998-2005, and take a guess how much a chance you have of convincing me otherwise that male dominance and flirting initiation isn't the way.)

[Silentness!]

I love 3 sets. (talking to three girls at the same time) If you run into a dry talking point you can just turn your head at a 45 degree angle and talk to another girl. Two of the girls in the set had boyfriends and they're juniors in high school anyways so fuck it I'm not messing with any HS chicks. The 3rd girl in the set is older than me though (she's in college and graduated HS 5 years ago... so let's add that up)

*I graduated HS in 05... 2007-5 years = 02. (So she's maybe 3-4 years older than me :sweat: ) No biggy...

Eventually one of the girl's boyfriend came to see her. I talked with him and we had a blast talking to each other. I used him for social proof as I talked to the older chick who was the manager of this smoothie joint. The chick was really mean looking, but I could see that was just a cover image since she is the manager. I negged her for her love of SUVs and next thing you know she's asking me a lot of questions.

I decided to run the Number trick on her... (THAT SHIT DON'T WORK) She guessed 3 and I asked if it was 7. I told her she was lying and snatched the paper from her and changed the 3 to a 7. She found that really funny.
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/end story mode:

My problem is: I CAN'T FUCKING CLOSE A CHICK. I waited too long to ask for the chick's number. She was definitely 3-4 years older than me, but she was hot and blew my chances of getting her number. The store closed and I ran out of time...

[terracotta]

I really don't get the point of doing anything outside of "just be yourself". In a relationship, you need to exist comfortably alongside your partner. I don't see how you do that if you're always keeping up an act, or trying to impress.

the problem with "being yourself" is i'm already myself. you've gotta be yourself in job interviews, public speaking, anywhere, as it is.. doesn't mean you'll get the job or hit the message home.

i don't want to call it a cop out answer, but it's definitely what people say when they're naturally good at what they do but can't articulate it.

[Havoc]

"Be yourself" isn't a cop out answer when it comes to relationships, because the goal isn't to impress or to get a point across. The point of a relationship is to live happily alongside your partner. It's not about doing whatever you do well. It's about comfort. If the girl isn't comfortable around the real you, she's not the one for you. If you feel the need to be in character around a girl, you're not right for her. It's that simple.

All the tactics and tricks in the world don't work. Nobody wants to live through an entire relationship of bullshit.

[gkrohwon]

i like what kim jong ill and serpent say. sounds like kimjong likes to make fun of males like that AV comment i dont think hes saying that as factual but illustrating that males arent alpha enough. the heart of the message and the literal way the message is will have different meaning but the meaning he wanted to express was the heart of the message.

i searched up 48 rules of power and this site came up with 48 rules..its kindof like the art of war for social position. I already knew about and implement more than half maybe close to all. i also read the summary of the superior man. i already understand that concept. the spineless man with all heart and the man with a spine but no heart. it all comes down to personality when youre at a young age when you recognize yourself as an alpha theres no opposition, you spend your whole life growing up picking on everybody else, manipulating teachers, getting spoiled by your parents. these people are like infants, they demand the attention of the world and cry when they dont get it, but thats what makes them successful. they're so needy and used to being givin special treatment, they come to expect it and demand it. the oppposite is the guy who grows up realizes he's beta growing up and as a result is never selected for anything, gets little or no recognition in sports and from peers, not as good looking. as a result of not getting what they want since infanthood, they learn to deal with it, they dont live life as large as the alphas. they arent normally as happy and outgoing because they arent stimulated to the same degree as alphas. they end up being deprived and have all these desires but no vehicle or means to attain them since their personality and existance has been shaped over years in a different way different from alphas.

life comes down to stimulation those who get it nonstop since childhood basically always need it and always get it since they develop the mindset and attitude to always find it. thats why these types of people can be assholes because they've basically evolved to understand the 48 rules of power naturally and apply them and get better and more skilled at it all through life.

the beta male is like what society wants from everybody. someone who stops reaching and stops demanding. someone who has a high threshhold for abuse. someone who takes shit at the workplace. someone who takes shit nonstop and psychologically resistant from the pain of not getting what they want.
but the players in life dont have any thresholds or coping mechanisms for failure. and thats why they arent failures.

[SRKev]

"Be yourself" isn't a cop out answer when it comes to relationships, because the goal isn't to impress or to get a point across. The point of a relationship is to live happily alongside your partner. It's not about doing whatever you do well. It's about comfort. If the girl isn't comfortable around the real you, she's not the one for you. If you feel the need to be in character around a girl, you're not right for her. It's that simple.

All the tactics and tricks in the world don't work. Nobody wants to live through an entire relationship of bullshit.

We need to put our heads together (no homo) and write a book because we are on the same fucking page.

Basically, what it boils down to is this:

You have to be yourself. It's like telling a girl you're Tom Cruise, if you said it day one and she believed it, you're gonna have to act like Tom Cruise every fucking day because that's what you put out to this person.

To everyone who says,"I do act natural around girls and it doesn't work." Well, she's not for you then and you need to get away from the notion of "but, but, SHE HAS HUGE TITS!" If she doesn't like your type, she doesn't like it.

[Higher-Jin]

Before I get started I have to give props to havoc and shinryukev. That shit is pretty much accurate, attraction is a two way street and if one of the participants isn't into the other person then it just won't work. I mean often just because we feel heavy attraction to someone we assume they should feel the same for us, when that isn't always going to be the case. Just be yourself and learn how to make women feel good around you, learn how to communicate your personality.

Anyways, I feel like I just struck out with the girl I was telling you guys about, but then again I'm not sure if there's not anything I could've done about that. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and the answer was of course a dreadfully meek yes. I still think she likes me though, she went out of her way to get MY number when I asked for her's, and we had a pretty cool conversation where I made her laugh. (although admittedly I didn't get her to laugh as much as I probably could have)

Overall, it's decision time: I can move on and avoid possibly being friend zoned OR I take a chance and try convincing her I'm better bf material than the other guy. I figure I still got a shot, and I also figure when it comes to hot girls, most of them have boyfriends anyways. However, part of me just says to move on, I probably can find someone else that is pleasant to be around too. I mean I'm even considering staying friends with her because she has a really sunny personality (she's always smiling and optimistic which is really contagious btw). So yeah that's my problem. I'm guessing some of you will say I should still go for it and Az will come in and say that her boyfriend should come at me with a hacksaw if I try anything.

Still have any of you been faced with this problem before, and if so how did you handle it?

- Jin

[Silentness!]

heh I don't like going after girls with boyfriends. I don't like to try and play the "homewrecker" role. If she's FEELING you though then go for it! I wouldn't try to manipulate a chick into liking me over her boyfriend though, but if she really likes you then go for it.

Honestly though I think you should move on and look for a new girl. You can still hang out with that other girl, but focus on other chicks. Too many hot girls out there to be lingering around someone that's already in a relationship.

[Higher-Jin]

heh I don't like going after girls with boyfriends. I don't like to try and play the "homewrecker" role. If she's FEELING you though then go for it! I wouldn't try to manipulate a chick into liking me over her boyfriend though, but if she really likes you then go for it.

Honestly though I think you should move on and look for a new girl. You can still hang out with that other girl, but focus on other chicks. Too many hot girls out there to be lingering around someone that's already in a relationship.

Yeah you're right, thanks for the advice ness I appreciate you helping me out.

- Jin

[Dark Geese]

I dont mess w/girls with boyfriends...too many other single girls out there..

[sainthuey]

How many heads have read the game by neil strauss in here???:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Silentness!]

How many heads have read the game by neil strauss in here???:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

*raises hand* Too much storyline if you ask me. I wanted advice not a damn biography *Shrugs*

[sainthuey]

*raises hand* Too much storyline if you ask me. I wanted advice not a damn biography *Shrugs*

True true, but there is usefull stuff that's good to know, i'm about 35 or so pages from finishing it:sad: really enjoyed it.

[Silentness!]

I'll admit, if it wasn't for these threads, I'd still be a recluse from approaching women randomly. Nowadays I do it all the time without even thinking...

[sainthuey]

I'll admit, if it wasn't for these threads, I'd still be a recluse from approaching women randomly. Nowadays I do it all the time without even thinking...

Nice, I'm still a beginner on this stuff:rofl: , my strong points are probably my openers , I'm never really shy about opening, but my biggest weakness is keeping the conversation going, it always goes dead and seems like there is nothing in the world to talk about:arazz: . Advice?

Also what's your guys strats when your playing an away game, I find it real easy to talk when I have home court advantage(we work together, classmates,friends of friends, etc.) But on approaching someone I've never seen in my life, what's a good opener/material to talk about?

[Silentness!]

I always run into dead spots during my conversations. It happens... just quickly look at your surroundings and try to use something to your advantage to get the person's attention.

Heh that's why it's called "cold" pickup. You don't have a home court advantage since you are putting the girl outside of her comfort zone when you approach her.

The best opener is *DRUM ROLL* "How are you doing today?"
I'm serious it may look lame and boring, but there's no way you can fuck it up or forget it. Say it with a confident voice while smiling and then go from there. Now situational openers are more interesting, but it depends obviously on the... situation heh.

For example: I"m standing in line at a smoothie joint. I look over and see these two girls in line. I smile and ask if they had tried a certain flavor. They told me they only like strawberry watermelon. I laugh and tell them they have bad taste (negging them). Next thing you know they are asking me what my favorite flavor is. "I'm broke." It always gets a laugh if they aren't an asshole or in a bad mood.

Example #2: I see a cute chick in the elevator at my college. "So what class you headed to (while smiling)." Then go from there...

So there really is no perfect opener. There is the basic normal introduction and then you have your situational openers. (I prefer situational openers, but if I'm in a rush and the girl is fixing to walk off I use the "How are you doing today routine."
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Aggh can't believe I didn't get that 22-24 year old chick's number. (I'm guessing that's her age since she graduated HS 5 years ago) I had her constantly laughing/smiling, she was mine for the taking...

[sainthuey]

good shit, thx for the tip.

[capcomANDsnk]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only non-celebrity/non-wealthy male on earth who has chicks approach him.
you're not. it happened to me a few times, i usually fuck it up though heh. women approach men, girls don't. too many cats on here deal with girls, especially...

....Live a little already. You won't die from it....
pussy is great. we all know that. but not everyone is lusting it like you. stop thinking you're way is the only way. some people don't like clubs, so what? diff. strokes, diff. folks.
and wtf is a PUA?

[kimjongiLL]

I got another e-mail.

Hey, thanks for referencing some quick books. What do you think about David DeAngelo? Also, any good sites to read up on this stuff? Thanks.
TheSix makes a good post on my opinion of David D.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3856696&postcount=815

The best site to read about dating is none, because all the good ones you have to spend money for, and they fill it full of subliminal marketing to appeal to the average man's unrealistic fantasies. The good dating and seduction forums aren't good because it's full of liars and noobs. The mainstream dating advice sites (like match.com, Dr. Phil, or e-harmony) are so God awful that you'd might as well chop off your penis.

My opinion might change in a few weeks, but for now, just spend the money to pay for Gunwitch and Juggler. If you want to talk to other people, either talk to me on SRK (I do date coaching part time) or your friends in real life.
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Good post, bro. You hit it right on the button what I was trying to say IMO. Beta's are the societal "norm". They don't realize that they can say "fuck the norm", think outside the cube, it won't make the negative difference they're afraid will happen, and they will enjoy life more. Instead they complain, act miserable, and act self centered and say they're better than you because they've evolved beyond the primal human urge of sexually desiring a young woman.

I was picked on with racism and for being small when I was a kid. Plus my single mom would yell at me all the time and beat the shit out of me too. I'm an adult now and I'm wasting my life if I maintain that personality I had when I was a child though. Part of that makes me want to stand out and attract attention instead of sitting back and being passive to make sure I don't offend anyone.
pussy is great. we all know that. but not everyone is lusting it like you. stop thinking you're way is the only way. some people don't like clubs, so what? diff. strokes, diff. folks.
and wtf is a PUA?
10 bucks by paypal and an apology for making rude comments to me before and I'll consider teaching you.

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Absolutely amazing weekend. I don't think I've ever had so much fun in my entire life. I'd type up a field report, but it would take up too much space and I don't have the time.

Point is, don't be a wet blanket.

Girls (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/kcxj2/Kang_QQ_04-28-07.jpg) smell good, big boob girls have soft boobs, models, strippers, and Asian adult film stars are people with feelings and emotions just like the rest of us (and they care more about what you think of them, than what they think of you), so it's easy to approach and hold a conversation, phone number close, talk for five more minutes, then bounce them to an afterparty.

Life is good. Status is good. Meeting people is good. You don't even need to be good looking or rich. It's all good.

Enjoy it. <3

[kimjongiLL]

The best opener is *DRUM ROLL* "How are you doing today?"
I'm serious it may look lame and boring, but there's no way you can fuck it up or forget it. Say it with a confident voice while smiling and then go from there. Now situational openers are more interesting, but it depends obviously on the... situation heh.
Nah, the universal opener is, "Hello".

Absolutely no possibly way to mess that up. I got a, "Who the fuck are you?" response once when I tried "How are you?". I didn't realize the girl was in a bad mood and didn't want to meet strangers. Friendly hello, then asking how are you would of worked better.

You need to have a sharp mind, but situational openers are the most fun (since intelligence is as sexy as big dick or muscles). The risky ones are hit or miss. If she laughs, you just cut off 30 minutes of the seduction time. If she doesn't laugh, you're blown out.

A club opener I like is, "If you ever see me xxxx like that guy over there, I want you to beat the fucking shit out of me."

I've gotten both results.

The safest situational openers are, "Busy in here isn't it?", "Hot in here isn't it?", and "Hey, I just noticed you here I wanted to come say hi."

It takes slightly longer to go into humor, rapport building, and switching her mood into a sexual state though. (but still same result in the end, so it's all good... plus every girl is different when it comes to flaking, sarge time, and compliance)

[Higher-Jin]

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I hope you never stop posting. :rofl:

[KrassHole]

Koop how'd u deal with Jailbait when you were younger?

I really dont read anyone elses replies on this thread . . . well. . . for reasons stated multiple times.

[Koop]

Koop how'd u deal with Jailbait when you were younger?

I really dont read anyone elses replies on this thread . . . well. . . for reasons stated multiple times.


well... i used em to get others an used em for my advantage an connections

ive never dated/fucked a chick that was younger than me.....never. i had younger chicks to get to older sisters or older friends or that infamous FOOT LOCKER/CHAMPS/YOUR LOCAL STOREorMALL connection.

thats how I dealt with em... sadly that what was instilled in me was just to use the younger ones for things other than sex/relationships (hey never had a dad so pimps, hustlers, n dealers were my male 'figures') .... gettin 'caught up' is a bitch especially if you deal with them broads that look 22-23 an are only 16/17/18... that pussy aint worth it... but her friendship cause she works at the nautica outlet is worth keepin her smilin in other ways than gettin in them panties...

plus from seein my boyz go through it with the younger chicks definitely solidified my view on 'jail bait' ( always crying... callin every other hour... believing everyone but you... not able to stay over... gotta work around HER schedule...wet behind the ears...on an on)

just think on it an it can definitely make u think twice before whippin ya dick out when she ask....:wink::wink:

[JackTenrac!]

- ...my retardedness is tax-free. You're so better than me, KrassHole. Rest assured, I fail in all aspects of life compared to you. If your dick's ready, I'd like to get some more cracker milk, thanks.


...that went well.

[Red-Impact]

I go to the ask men forums sometimes when I have nothing to do, and came across this (http://boards.askmen.com/viewtopic.php?t=17129#top)..which makes me wonder, are women in the same boat, if not worse than us?

Many of us say that many women don't have hobbies, sux at entertainment, etc. Well perhaps the above is the reason?
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Also am I the only one that thinks the whole "I have a boyfriend" line is complete and utter bullshit? I just don't buy it. If a girl is into you she will give you the digits. Boyfriend or not. Happened to me a couple of times already..had girls give me their digits only to find out they had boyfriends in the first place (due to some spywork:rofl: )

So when a girl tells me she has a boyfriend, I just stop there and don't persue it further.

[Silentness!]

I go to the ask men forums sometimes when I have nothing to do, and came across this (http://boards.askmen.com/viewtopic.php?t=17129#top)..which makes me wonder, are women in the same boat, if not worse than us?

Many of us say that many women don't have hobbies, sux at entertainment, etc. Well perhaps the above is the reason?
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Also am I the only one that thinks the whole "I have a boyfriend" line is complete and utter bullshit? I just don't buy it. If a girl is into you she will give you the digits. Boyfriend or not. Happened to me a couple of times already..had girls give me their digits only to find out they had boyfriends in the first place (due to some spywork:rofl: )

So when a girl tells me she has a boyfriend, I just stop there and don't persue it further.

Well true if they don't give you the digits that means they don't want you calling them. I honestly don't give a shit about phone numbers cause they don't mean anything. (Some will never answer the phone)
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I need pics of that chick in your link that claims that she is attractive... (I call bullshit because even average looking chicks should be getting attention from SOME guys at least)

The more I think about it, the more it infuriates me that the women is bitching about guys not approaching her. GET OFF YOUR ASS BITCH AND TALK TO GUYS. (female voice) "Oh noes guys aren't coming up to me and starting conversations."

I mean how could you complain about not knowing how to meet men, but refuse to approach any guys?

[Red-Impact]

Well true if they don't give you the digits that means they don't want you calling them. I honestly don't give a shit about phone numbers cause they don't mean anything. (Some will never answer the phone)
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I need pics of that chick in your link that claims that she is attractive... (I call bullshit because even average looking chicks should be getting attention from SOME guys at least)

There's no way I can get you pics...that was just some woman behind the screen. But let's take her word for it? what reason would she have for faking something like that?

Also that wasn't the enphasis of the post..what I wanted to point out is that even if they have boyfriends, they want to keep their options open? after all aren't they horny like us and have a list of "guys I'd like to fuck?"

Phone #'s do mean someting IMO...I mean why would a girl give you their phone # if they aren't into you?:confused: ..that's where the whole "I have a boyfriend" line comes in. It's their ultimate killing blow.

[Silentness!]

Well cause some girls give out their numbers cause they are scared. (dead serious) They don't want to deal with negativity/confrontation so they just give out their numbers freely...

[Red-Impact]

Well cause some girls give out their numbers cause they are scared. (dead serious) They don't want to deal with negativity/confrontation so they just give out their numbers freely...

How long do you wait to call?

girls friendzone guys frequent, even if they are into you. I speak from experience:lovin: ..in fact it happened to me this semester again (but that's OK since I wsn't into her anyways!). IMO call next day and set something up, 2 days latest.

I've never epericed the whole "I get your # and you not into me wtf?" kind of deal, but in my eyes:

1.) why would you fake attraction?
2.) why would somebody fake attraction to some1 they just met anyways?!!?!?!?!? and why would somebody give a damn about somebody they just met??!?!?1
3.) you're confusing friendlyness with attraction, but by the same token, a friendly person would not give you the # because they are not shy.

With that said, I don't see it. Maybe you're forcing yourself too hard and they just want to get you out of their face and throw their # at you?:rofl:

As for myself, I confuse friendlyness and attraction like there is no tommorow, and I don't think there is a way to tell unless the conversation gets into sexual level. But if I ask the digits and I get the "I have a boyfriend" line I know that I am not what she wants.
EDIT:

If you wait too long to call, THEY LOSE interest, and quickly. Woman EGO=huge.

It needs to be saidx1000

[Silentness!]

All I know is leave them damn girls alone they are nothing but trouble.
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When it comes down to it both Koop/Havoc are right! Older chicks FTW

HOT DAMN, I'm only 19 and I was spitting game with some chick in her mid 20s. She's a manager of a store, doing well in college, and a nice body/face. I'm going for the kill! At first she looked at me like I was a trouble maker, but now she can't quit smiling at me and laughing at all my jokes.
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@Stevie White: If it's a cold pick up they'll give you a fake number. If you see them on a constant basis it's kind of awkward to give a fake number.

[Stevie White]

^ If women are really scared, they give you a fake number.

[Dark Geese]

true...

[kimjongiLL]

How long do you wait to call?

girls friendzone guys frequent, even if they are into you. I speak from experience:lovin: ..in fact it happened to me this semester again (but that's OK since I wsn't into her anyways!). IMO call next day and set something up, 2 days latest.

I've never epericed the whole "I get your # and you not into me wtf?" kind of deal, but in my eyes:

1.) why would you fake attraction?
2.) why would somebody fake attraction to some1 they just met anyways?!!?!?!?!? and why would somebody give a damn about somebody they just met??!?!?1
3.) you're confusing friendlyness with attraction, but by the same token, a friendly person would not give you the # because they are not shy.

With that said, I don't see it. Maybe you're forcing yourself too hard and they just want to get you out of their face and throw their # at you?:rofl:

As for myself, I confuse friendlyness and attraction like there is no tommorow, and I don't think there is a way to tell unless the conversation gets into sexual level. But if I ask the digits and I get the "I have a boyfriend" line I know that I am not what she wants.
EDIT:

If you wait too long to call, THEY LOSE interest, and quickly. Woman EGO=huge.

It needs to be saidx1000
(edit: Long response deleted... I don't feel like talking or replying anymore. The post I just quoted is wrong, but I'm confident there are enough people here that already know why.)

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Do make sure to call her and not put it off because of rejection anxiety though. It's rude to get someone's phone number and then not call them. It's like sleeping with someone and then leaving without saying a word, or just blatantly telling a woman her pussy is dry or she's ugly.
When it comes down to it both Koop/Havoc are right! Older chicks FTW

HOT DAMN, I'm only 19 and I was spitting game with some chick in her mid 20s. She's a manager of a store, doing well in college, and a nice body/face. I'm going for the kill! At first she looked at me like I was a trouble maker, but now she can't quit smiling at me and laughing at all my jokes.
She's not going to date you.

Remember the way I used to write here on SRK last year? You're getting much too excited before you've closed the deal. You're attracted to her personality, but how do you know this older woman is really FTW unless you've sexed her first? You're also being the entertainer/dancing monkey, when the high status male is suppose to have girls entertaining and monkey dancing for them.

I'm a mid 20's person myself and unless the girl is a mid 20's ugly, chickenhead, or low self esteem, attractive girls that old won't date someone who's at least 22 (or is a good enough PUA or musclehead to give off the mature, masculine vibe).

It's all good though. You're enthusiastic, like I always am before I go out, and you set your goals high like I do as well. :rofl:

I'm going tell you right now (just like my wing and I tell all the other new guys before we go out), that the only thing you'll be spitting, is into your hand for jerking off later if you go out with the intention of "gaming" someone though.

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According to your description of how the sarge is going to far, if I were you, I would tell her that her laugh is sexy and start building comfort with touch at this point. Wait any longer, and the iron won't be hot anymore.

Did you insta-date or number close? If not, then personally I think you're blown out already, and to move on. Remember that hired guns are paid to be nice to you. Not to purposely be a dick and kill your confidence, but that good feeling you have isn't real (or is at least exaggerated a little). I just wanted to mention that, lest you make the same mistake that's been killing you for the past year (getting caught up over one particular girl).

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The following isn't a test, but I'd like to... click it click it (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=3862622&postcount=14464)

[Silentness!]

She's not going to date you.


It's all good though. You're enthusiastic, like I always am before I go out, and you set your goals high like I do as well. :rofl:




lol pretty much the truth. It was a fun run though
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Hell yeah I set my goals high. I'll be damned if I'm going to settle for a basic looking girl/woman.
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UPDATE: May 1, 2007 (Tuesday)

Damn this thread is dieing. Lately I've been slacking on cold pickups (I don't see too many chicks I'm interested in)

I talked briefly to one chick and I plan on asking her if she wants to "study" together for final. I saw a MILF today, but I was talking with my friend and I didn't want to ignore him and go talk to the lady so I stayed with my friend. Damn was she hot and she looked like she knew some moves!

*Sometimes I hate being black. The girls I'm interested in are harder to get because of it...
(This isn't a self confidence dilemma)

[KrassHole]

well... i used em to get others an used em for my advantage an connections

ive never dated/fucked a chick that was younger than me.....never. i had younger chicks to get to older sisters or older friends or that infamous FOOT LOCKER/CHAMPS/YOUR LOCAL STOREorMALL connection.

thats how I dealt with em... sadly that what was instilled in me was just to use the younger ones for things other than sex/relationships (hey never had a dad so pimps, hustlers, n dealers were my male 'figures') .... gettin 'caught up' is a bitch especially if you deal with them broads that look 22-23 an are only 16/17/18... that pussy aint worth it... but her friendship cause she works at the nautica outlet is worth keepin her smilin in other ways than gettin in them panties...

plus from seein my boyz go through it with the younger chicks definitely solidified my view on 'jail bait' ( always crying... callin every other hour... believing everyone but you... not able to stay over... gotta work around HER schedule...wet behind the ears...on an on)

just think on it an it can definitely make u think twice before whippin ya dick out when she ask....:wink::wink:

hahaha cool.

[Dark Geese]

He is right though Ness..you gotta learn how to channel that excitement..and you have reason to be excited..after all..you are going places you havent been before as you said...but as time goes on you'll learn how to get to the next stage...

[kimjongiLL]

I'm very happy right now.

She has a man at the moment, but Connie (the Maxim model I spent the most time with this past weekend) called to say hi, and left a personal comment on myspace letting me know how happy she was to meet me.

She was very busy with guys constantly around her, but Julie also took the time to write me a positive comment.

Keep in mind these girls have over 2000 friends, 1000 unread messages in their inboxes every week, and guys constantly friend requesting them and asking them, "How you doing?"

The way to make a memorable impression is to treat them like any other average girl you think is cute and would like to become friends with. Walk up and assume you're best friends already. Communicate non-sexual vibe at first. Make them laugh. As soon as you get an indicator of interest, transition over to physical connection and sexual state. Don't be shy about number or insta-closing. Create inside jokes that only you and her get so you don't get lost in the sea of other cocks that are trying to roll up to her.

[kimjongiLL]

UPDATE: May 1, 2007 (Tuesday)

Damn this thread is dieing. Lately I've been slacking on cold pickups (I don't see too many chicks I'm interested in)

I talked briefly to one chick and I plan on asking her if she wants to "study" together for final. I saw a MILF today, but I was talking with my friend and I didn't want to ignore him and go talk to the lady so I stayed with my friend. Damn was she hot and she looked like she knew some moves!

*Sometimes I hate being black. The girls I'm interested in are harder to get because of it...
(This isn't a self confidence dilemma)
Ness, you should have enough phone numbers already.

Forget about cold pickups for now. Finish the job and get the full close with the females that are already in your life (ie. go on some dates already). You've practiced enough balls out, scary cold approaching. Now it's time to practice the second phase of seduction... fighting flakiness, date logistics, amping up attraction, then becoming a powerful, porn star level, sex master.

[Silentness!]

That's just the thing...

I don't have that many phone numbers from chicks. I have like ONE and a shitload of EX chicks (That I'd rather not call) The one number I got from that hot blonde chick she never answers her phone lol.

Back to cold pickups...

Is it creepy to randomly sit by a stranger in a cafe? I saw this hot chick eating in a cafe, but I was short on time and didn't want to look creepy by sitting by her while she was eating alone.

[TheSix]

Is it creepy to randomly sit by a stranger in a cafe? I saw this hot chick eating in a cafe, but I was short on time and didn't want to look creepy by sitting by her while she was eating alone.

It's only creepy if you make it creepy(just like any other cold approach).

Lone chicks in cafe + open seats = Easy.

"Hey, recommend me a good sammich. I'm looking to try something new."

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I haven't went out in forever to practice opening. I got enough numbers and things are fine with my girlfriend and I(a little too fine if you ask me....:wtf: )

[Silentness!]

I feel like a 100% "AFC" again. It's like all I've accomplished went down the toilet and I'm starting all over again...
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