T-Bone's Assist: Accident or intended?

[True Grave]

I was talking to another player at my local arcade the other day, and he was saying how he honestly believes Tronn bonn's projectile assist was not a glitch, and intended.

No way. The assist does as much damage as a super! I especially get annoyed when I witness it single-handedly beat teams. I loath that gay assist, its the definition of "Broken" in MVC2.

Normally I don't condone cheap and super-sleazy tactics, unless its to counter another player's cheapness. When someone picks T-bone and sets the projectile assist, the gloves are off from that point onward.

What say you? T-bone accidental glitch or intended?

[Demon Dash]

I don't think it's a glitch, no, neither is it broken... Something like the double crush or Juggernaught glitch, now that's broken...

[Green]

You're having trouble beating teams with that assist?

[True Grave]

You're having trouble beating teams with that assist?

Occasionally yeah, and its damn annoying. Having the t-bone assist on the other players team forces me to seriously modify my game style, resorting to annoying tactics like runaway and other mindgames. Because I know the other guy is going to whore T-bone's assist out there like crazy, If I go against him head-on.

It makes me want to pick a dumb assist of my own to counter T-bone's, like Dr.Doom AA. Or just drop my low-tier lineup altogether, pick top tiers, and kick the other guy's ass until he stops being a bitch by picking t-bone.

Most local players I know, have no clue how to use t-bone either, she is just a dirty assist character to them.

[Preppy]

It should be a simple glitch: each hit does full damage of the three hit sequence. Pretty random - could be as simple as some intern putting in 15,null,null instead of the correct 5,5,5 and the game just reusing the 15.

If you think about it, though, she does give you another dimension to the game that you don't get otherwise. If you take her out, true anti-airs or Sentinel assists would just dominate that much more. You don't like her, play people that don't use her. =\

Psylocke is much easier to spam. If you see Tron, snap her in. You're not going to lose to her if you know her well. Seriously. She's incredibly limited - unless they've got a really quick Magnus/Storm, the only thing Tron really stops/beats is dumb stuff that you shouldn't be doing anyways.

[True Grave]

It should be a simple glitch: each hit does full damage of the three hit sequence. Pretty random - could be as simple as some intern putting in 15,null,null instead of the correct 5,5,5 and the game just reusing the 15.

If you think about it, though, she does give you another dimension to the game that you don't get otherwise. If you take her out, true anti-airs or Sentinel assists would just dominate that much more. You don't like her, play people that don't use her. =\

Quite a few at my local arcade pick her w/broken assist however. I guess they just love a cheap win, so there is no way around that.

In most of those cases, as long as I can stay away from that dumb assist, I can own them. Like i said however, I have to resort to tactics I don't like to use like constant runaway and stalling.

Oh and I just love it sometimes when the other player, annoyed by losing, whines about me running away or being "cheap". As if those dolts left me with much choice.

Psylocke is much easier to spam. If you see Tron, snap her in. You're not going to lose to her if you know her well. Seriously. She's incredibly limited - unless they've got a really quick Magnus/Storm, the only thing Tron really stops/beats is dumb stuff that you shouldn't be doing anyways.

It sounds like your implying T-bone's assist is only good when used defensively. Nope.

A physical rushdown attack team like Guile and cammy, w/t-bone as an assist can be pretty deadly. Because they are constantly pushing forward and any effort you make to fight back directly, gets T-bone shoved in your face with her cheesy assist of doom to halt any retaliation. Especially if one is caught in the corner, thats just a mess.

[shoultzula]

If you see Tron, snap her in. You're not going to lose to her if you know her well. Seriously. She's incredibly limited - unless they've got a really quick Magnus/Storm, the only thing Tron really stops/beats is dumb stuff that you shouldn't be doing anyways.

thread done.

tron is cheap but she's not that bad seriously. She's really easy to stop if you just play smart which is what you have to do against that assist. No priority, no invincibility.

if theres one assist that people should be bitching about its either drones\cyke AA. Now thats some cheap bullshit.



A physical rushdown attack team like Guile and cammy, w/t-bone as an assist can be pretty deadly. Because they are constantly pushing forward and any effort you make to fight back directly, gets T-bone shoved in your face with her cheesy assist of doom to halt any retaliation. Especially if one is caught in the corner, thats just a mess.


block low against characters that can't overhead and just sit there. Cammy does have instant overhead but if someone is willing to go that far, you might as well run another squad just to stop it immediately.

and if theres one person who knows tron its preppy since his main squad is usually mega\cable\tron.

In short, tron is cheap as fuck but not god like.

[True Grave]

thread done.

tron is cheap but she's not that bad seriously. She's really easy to stop if you just play smart which is what you have to do against that assist. No priority, no invincibility.

if theres one assist that people should be bitching about its either drones\cyke AA. Now thats some cheap bullshit.

Apparently all these t-bone's users at my arcade don't realize that. She's always their assist char of choice for most.

[Green]

Is it that you just don't want to use counter strats/teams? Why are you suffering "just because"? I don't understand people like you. If you don't want to pick top characters, fine. Don't. But don't complain about losing with inferior characters. If you don't want to use superior tactics, fine. Don't. But don't complain about losing to scrubby strats.

CliffsNotes: You don't like adapting.

[shoultzula]

Apparently all these t-bone's users at my arcade don't realize that. She's always their assist char of choice for most.

tron behind a character that can overhead will get scary like preppy said. Half life into 50\50 just isn't fair but a smart player with a better team should always be able to win.

mixup told me once that he ran mag\storm\tron and lost to wongs gambit\morigan\cyke quite a few times. Even one of the best tron teams can be beaten with a basic mid low tier squad that can function. You just have to be able to deal with tron thats all.

if i'm having a hard time against a tron based squad, i'll run to strider doom and it'll shut it down for the most part. Except against mixup because that guy is mvc2.

I'm only really scared of tron with a character that has a fast overhead, or cammy\tron. Cammy is just retarded fast and her air priority is fuckn beastly.

[True Grave]

Is it that you just don't want to use counter strats/teams? Why are you suffering "just because"? I don't understand people like you. If you don't want to pick top characters, fine. Don't. But don't complain about losing with inferior characters. If you don't want to use superior tactics, fine. Don't. But don't complain about losing to scrubby strats.

CliffsNotes: You don't like adapting.


I have successfully evaded the Assist cheese and beaten shallow teams backed by T-bone quite a few times(like today).

If anything i'm just really annoyed because #1- That assist is total bullshit to begin with, and #2- I always have to seriously modify my playstyle against it.

T-bone's assist is just 100% pure sleaze.

It is quite satisfying when I have eliminated the first two character's, then its just T-bone all alone for some sweet payback :wonder:

[Green]

If anything i'm just really annoyed because #1- That assist is total bullshit to begin with, and #2- I always have to seriously modify my playstyle against it.

T-bone's assist is just 100% pure sleaze.
The assist is total bullshit? What about, oh, I don't know, Storm? Sent? Cable's easy-mode >60% guard break? And not wanting to modify your play style, that's what I meant about not wanting to adapt.

[True Grave]

The assist is total bullshit? What about, oh, I don't know, Storm? Sent? And not wanting to modify your play style, that's what I meant about not wanting to adapt.

Storm and sent's assist pale in comparison to T-bone. At least you can recover from that and mount a comeback, if T-bone's assist hits any character, then 1/3-1/2 his life is gone, and pretty much dead. Plus any multiple hits.

Thats just with a low-tier team backed by T-bone. Throw in a top tier team w/her assist, and the cheese never ends.

It is not that I don't want to adapt, I just get highly annoyed when I play against someone who's team is based on that dumb assist.

[Preppy]

Having the t-bone assist on the other players team forces me to seriously modify my game style ... Because I know the other guy is going to whore T-bone's assist out there like crazy, If I go against him head-on.Duh. Um, she's a TOP TIER ASSIST. :confused:
Quite a few at my local arcade pick her w/broken assist however. I guess they just love a cheap win, so there is no way around that.A cheap win against dumb scrubby stuff, sure. A cheap win against good players, no. She is a top tier assist. Get used to it. Counter her if you need to.

Oh and I just love it sometimes when the other player, annoyed by losing, whines about me running away or being "cheap".pot kettle black

It sounds like your implying T-bone's assist is only good when used defensively. Nope.Reread. I said "dumb stuff". You running into Tron == dumb. Losing your block is also always going to be a problem in any game, so yeah, that's dumb too. She does very little chip damage and very limited range... your options are clear.

A physical rushdown attack team like Guile and cammy, w/t-bone as an assist can be pretty deadly.Well, yeah, duh, those are great teams. Don't get confused. You need to remember that much like Psylocke, who you wouldn't run into, Tron is actually "good" and "useful". Since all she can do is punish you if you run into her, um, yeah, that's actually incredibly limited. And it looks like you already know the countertactics, according to you.

If anything i'm just really annoyed because #1- That assist is total bullshit to begin with, and #2- I always have to seriously modify my playstyle against it. If that's the worst 'total bullshit' you have to deal with in Marvel, you play against utter scrubs and should never lose a match again.

It is quite satisfying when I have eliminated the first two character's, then its just T-bone all alone for some sweet paybackYour problem begins here. Snap her in. You can't land a snapback, that's your problem.

This is a scrubby thread so far. Stop typing, and for the next two days just read what everybody said before you go off to play Marvel. Guile/Tron and Cammy/Tron are EXTREMELY good "low tier" teams.

Come on, guy, this is scrubbarific. Of course Tron is good enough that people keep picking her. If it wasn't her for your opponent it'd be Psylocke (much more annoying), Doom, CapCom, Cyke, Juggy, Sent, blah blah blah boring blah. Consider yourself lucky that they're that bad and move on. This is a dumb thread. Marvel's got tons of glitches or accidents that change the game far worse than anything Tron has. Counter them with Omega Red (poke-age) or Dhalsim (teleport) or Cyke-AA or Ken-AA and see how they feel then... if you really need to make the bad people stop picking Tron. Hell, even a good Akuma-expansion team can beat up Tron pretty easily. You've said they suck with Tron, so get one of the snapback-friendly teams and use that. =P

[Green]

Storm and sent's assist pale in comparison to T-bone.
I was actually talking about their point characteristics, but if you think T. Bonne's projectile assist is better than drones...

[True Grave]

If it wasn't her for your opponent it'd be Psylocke (much more annoying), Doom, CapCom, Cyke, Juggy, Sent

I'd rather face Psylocke or doom as an assist instead any day, I can deal with that much easier. Plus psylocke and doom assist do not take off 40%-50% life off 1 hit either.

Any how, thanks for the advice! Especially snap-back stuff :wonder:

[Insomniac487]

Personally, she's not that annoying. a lot of people find psylocke's AAA, akuma's expansion far more annoying. I know what you mean though. Just do your best and snap her in, kill her so that you get rid of her. Actually..make that a Priority if you find it really irritating. get her killed ASAP.

don't worry about the spamming part. about 70+% of marvel players spam their assists out like crazy. Any assists, not just trons. especially losta MSP players with psylocke

oh yeah to answer the topic's question, i think its a glitch.

[sealhunta]

ironman's AAA does the same amount of damage i highly doubt it is a glitch

[50mOrEcEnTz]

if you play storm, use her tornados...snuffs tron every time and then you get to whoop up on her =) they'll stop calling soon enough

[ParryPerson.]

I can't believe people were this nice to such a scrubby post, GG's to Preppy for trying to be nice about it.

I mean seriously, complaining about an assist that makes more of the cast a little more able to compete and not something like short short psy or comando spam is downright silly.

If they have Tron on your team, chances are they are not running a great anti-air assist, do I need to tell you how to take advantage of that?

I hope not.

[Green]

ironman's AAA does the same amount of damage i highly doubt it is a glitch
Have you tried doing the rings when Tron's on point?

[Dr. Deelite]

Storm and sent's assist pale in comparison to T-bone. At least you can recover from that and mount a comeback, if T-bone's assist hits any character, then 1/3-1/2 his life is gone, and pretty much dead. Plus any multiple hits.

Uh, compare Storm and Sent as point characters to Tron. Besides, your point about assists is wrong anyway. Lots of characters on point can turn a Storm or Sent assist hit into well over half damage or even into a kill. I agree that Tron is an annoying hooker but she's not annoying for any reasons you're referencing. The main thing she's good at is getting your assists into trouble really, really quickly. Call your Psy or Commando into a well-placed Tron and you can kiss your Psy goodbye. Conversely, the main time I trot out Tron is when someone is centering themselves around playing completely defensively with like Commando assist. Then I spend an entire round focusing on nothing but counter-calling Tron into Commando and after 1~3 of those I don't have to worry about Commando anymore.

As a point character's main assist her strengths aren't as big, sure anyone/Tron landing a low short on you is going to hurt (especially fkn Rogue, ugh that hooker) but a low short from ANY decently-assembled team is going to hurt. If you'd rather get low shorted by Mag/Psy than Mag/Tron, you're smoking some crack. Mag/Tron is way less protected and gives you the biggest chance to actually fight back (and it's not like it's ever a good idea to let Mag low short you anyway).

Anyways, this also sort of underscores why Storm/Sent is so dominant. Mash on trijump HP backward with Storm while spamming Sent assist, stopping occasionally for random typhoon xx hail, and you're not going to be that worried about their Tron anymore. And she's a good assist.

[Tam]

I use Strider/Sentinel/Tron as my main.
Strider's overhead into Tron beams are very strong and provide a good 50/50 mixup in the corner. Since Tron comes out in front of him and Strider is smaller than Tron, letting Tron take the hit really provides some room to counter as well. The first part of Tron's beam comes out with enough response with Sentinel's block -> pushblock for the fucking win.

Strider/Tron may not play like Strider/Doom as it doesn't allow for chip, but the lockdown is still there and getting a hit in isn't very hard.

It's a very technical team where you have to rely on experience of positioning yourself against your opponent so that Tron comes out in a win situation. Throwing Tron out like Psylocke or Cyclops is a no-no.

Not to mention with Strider I have to be extra careful. You just have to be patient and counter-call with Tron.

Oh, and first hit is always nice. But fighting Magneto in the beginning is never the win.

[StiltMan]

Have to go with Preppy here. Yes, she's a top tier assist. So what? Stop complaining and do something about it, it's part of the game. She's not unbeatable, and it's not like she's the only character in the game who forces you to change your tactics a little. Pick Cyclops AAA and laugh at the whole team. Problem solved.

[RedSilverAnakris]

Tron Assist isnt as bad as some assists. There are many more annoying assists. If you honestly cant win one mathc against tron without breaking a sweat, then you need to reconsider your play style or use a different team. I use OMega/Samurai/Anakaris. All three have some way to get around Tron assist (stay in air wiht Omega and Anakaris, Ice Mode Samurai). BH assist in my opinion is far more annoying, especially with chars like Doom on point. But I can still beat an actual good BH team when they use that assist. And I can even handle a Commando team. You aren't playing smart. And if you would rather fight Psyloke any day, you do realize although it is more work, a Mag/Psy combo will just as easily kill you as a one hit tron + some other char. You must be playing some really bad players. And who cares if you need runaway or stalling, some characters base that on their game (like Anakaris :D).

[Jin Cena]

I think it was intended to be in the game. Players just later found out how good it was just like all the other top tier assists, strategies, and teams.

[True Grave]

Awesome. After today I think it is safe to say that T-bone crap does not work on me any more.

I shut that garbage down today, and kicked ass. Mainly by doing lots of mind games, runaway, and staying out of corners with my Charlie team. When It came down to just T-bone and no assist left for them to hide behind, payback biatch!

:woot: :lovin:

[sealhunta]

i have the xbox version at home and the juggernuant glitch was taken out but tron bonne and ken still have the high damage so im thinking that they were not glitches otherwise they would have been taken out

[ILLiterate]

Perfect, I ran into one of these players today

It worked on me the first match, and then after I beat him until he left the cabinet. I just had to change my tactics, see the move coming, and counter attack. It's annoying as hell, but I don't think it's as bad as Doom or anything, and with some thinking you can get through it, like you did

[De4dEyE]

M/S/T is a great team.


I haven't read this thread at all.

[Ch0zen]

[QUOTE=De4dEyE;3789144]M/S/T is a great team.

Agreed

Tron seriously is not that bad if not paired with someone with a fast overhead ie. storm mag. If your constantly getting hit by the assist via cr. short into some over head, dont know what to tell you but learn to block better. The only time it becomes hard to block is constant high low games from mag or storm and anyone with decent tri-jump.

To agree with you though yes, some people do just pick her and spam assist, but thats when it becomes fun and you kill it off, do the same for any assist that gets spammed.

I use MST almost exclusively and i can tell you fighting with out an AA isn't fun when your up against things like sent. But to me people who bitch about the assist either A) use the damn assist them selves B) counter it.

Constant runaway is a strategy, but i don't know anyone who enjoys fighting that. My thinking is if someone is going to constantly run away, about 80% of the people that play at the arcade i play at do this, i'm going to make each and every hit hurt like a mother or kill the char off.